He is a liar with the flyers indeed and you made the poor rock lizard non flyer which didnt perform very well. Isnt it kinda illegal Aerodactyl in Lances team in gen 2? I dont think he can learn Rock slide even in gen 2. Still interesting video and good series. Well be waiting for Seadra! @@RBYPokemonChallenges
@@jussioman It was probably supposed to learn rock slide in gen 2, but they replaced the TM with a different move, so ultimately it didn’t actually have access to it. Which doesn’t really help, but would at least explain how it happened.
The Elite 4 members each have two types that they are themed around. Lorelei is water/ice Bruno is fighting/rock Agatha is poison/ghost Lance is flying/dragon
@@jussioman Aerodactyl doesn't get Rock Slide until generation 3. His Dragonite also cheats in gen 1 because it has Barrier. Generation 6 is when Dragonite can finally learn Barrier through legitimate means
@@EwMatiasAnd Ryu means exactly that: Dragon It can be used as both a prefix or suffix, like to say for example water dragon, or fire dragon or whatever you wanna put it.
Would be interesting to see that Aerodactyl vs. a Flying Dragon Type Aerodactyl. IMO, Aerodactyl got it's rock type just because it was a fossile, but it looks more like a Flying type than a Rock type to me.
I debated doing that... I decided to keep in line with the others by maintaining the change of Flying to Dragon, but a Flaying Dragon Aerodactyl may need a separate run sometime
An interesting step further. Assuming all Fossil pokemon are part Rock because they were fossilized... what secondary typing, if any, should all of the fossils have?
@@ElladanKenet I could see Kabuto/Kabutops being perhaps part Bug, since I think the real life version are bugs or something. Omanyte/Omastar I'd have pure Water.
@@yoshi6421 Yeah, the Horseshoe Crab is def an arthopod, so Water/Bug makes sense. Omanyte being pure water is fine too. Could make an argument for poison or psychic maybe. Cradilly is probably either pure grass, or grass/poison. Armoldo is either pure bug or bug/steel. It's steel armor got replaced with rock armor as a fossil. Bastiodon was probably pure steel, and Cranidos... either he's Dragon type, or Fighting type. The dinosaur he's based on were supposedly pretty mean and territorial, so I see fighting.
Yeah, I think Rock Slide and Earthquake are the key moves that would make it competitive with Pokemon like Gyarados in this format and eliminate the need for late-game Mimic strats
@@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 not to mention in gen 2 even his Dragonites aren't even level 55+. The man is definitely a cheater, and immoral. Who the hell uses hyper beam on a person??
@@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 Lance cheats because his Dragonite knows Barrier, a move Dragonite couldn't learn til X and Y(gen 6).Plus, they're all level 50 and Dragonite doesn't evolve until level 55! His Aerodactyl gets Rock Slide in gen 2, a move Aerodactyl couldn't learn until Fire Red and Leaf Green(gen 3)!
@@Kali_Krause I knew there was another missing piece. I looked at an article recently and it states about that barrier move; however, yes, getting Dragonites before their actual evolution level is so wrong.
Pretty OP. Only weak to dragon, fighting, ice and ground. Now neutral to water and grass. In gen 1, there were no dragon moves effected by type. There also weren't any really good fighting moves, the best Submission with massive recoil (Karate Chop was inexplicably normal). That leaves ice and ground, but good news, several good options there... if you can learn them. Ice Beam, Blizzard, Dig, and Earthquake would all be big threats. Where things would really be interesting is Gen 3, where like Flygon, this Aerodactyl would almost certainly get Levitate...
Aerodactyl can learn Fire Blast for Lorilei, but it has a base 60 special compared to its 105 Physical Attack. They should've given it Rock Slide which a gen 1 move made for Rock/Dragon Aerodactyl !
Honestly I think you should made this run with flying/dragon areodactyl. Rock is added cause it's fossil and all fossils are labeled with it. So, if any, it's his secondary typing. But oh well, this was fun regardless, keep the good work! :)
@@RBYPokemonChallengesI wonder if with some tools it could actually be possible to implement triple typing (as in the Pokémon summary, in gen 1, you could clearly see there is enough space visually to get another typing in). That could be cool to get all of it, and for example make an Aerodactyl be Dragon/Flying/Rock. But would probably be wayyyyyy too OP lol
I always assumed that aerodactyl was a pseudo-dragon, as it has a mysterious, ancient aura to it. How OP it would be if it got dragon dance and head smash
For me, Aerodactyls dragon comes more from its look like a Gargoyle, and many Gargoyles are also depicted as dragons, so that would be the stretch I would go for it.
I'm not sure when you made the change, but I just noticed that your mic sounds so much better compared to your earlier videos. I know I definitely complained about that in the comments before lol. Also I agree that it's definitely worth doing another run with the more updated moveset. That seems like it would be a night and day difference.
Yeah, I changed to a BEACN mic from the Blue Yeti last summer. It took me a while to get things dialed in, but now hopefully improved! Thanks for the advice though, it helps me know how to improve!
Just to mention, from gen 3 on Aerodactyl can learn Rock Slide (from a tutor in gen 3, by level-up and by TM in later generations), so if you’re updating its moveset in gen 1 it should definitely get it, no questions asked.
Yeah, I am doing standard Gen 1 movesets first, but I said in the live commentary of the first episode that the an is to give all of the dragons better movesets for a later video
A reasonable assumption is that stories concerning dragons have their origin in ancient peoples (at least ancient relative to our time) finding dinosaur fossils and those of non-dinosaurs, not knowing what these ancient creatures were, and assuming they were dragons. In fact, many of the mythological and cryptozoological creatures of renown are likely due to ancient peoples finding fossils of long-extinct fauna that had no (or very minor) similarities to their own modern-day creatures, and assuming they were evidence of the mythological creatures existing. So, it wouldn't surprise me at all if ancient conceptions of various types of dragons were merely peoples finding relatively well-preserved fossils of dinosaurs and guessing what they looked like, simply on a mythological scale. For example, Gyarados is clearly based on Chinese mythological dragons, but to anyone in our modern-day, the resemblance to the Oarfish (which can grow as long as 56ft in length, has a large crest on it's head, lives in the temperate ocean waters worldwide, and a prominent dorsal fin running the length of its body) is uncanny. Imagine living 4000 years ago in China or Japan and finding a washed up oarfish. You'd think it was as mythological creature or a dragon as well. So it's just a bit ahistorical to think that people who lived at a time when a "dinosaur" wasn't a thing, but dragons and other mythological creatures were, would find the fossilized remnants of a Pteranodon and associate them with a type of creature (a dinosaur or a reptile closely related to dinosaurs) they had no frame of reference for.
Yeah, I can understand. As mentioned on some other similar comments, I am doing this series based on changing the secondary typing, and the secondary typing in the game RAM is Flying
@@RBYPokemonChallengesMakes sense, it's better for consistency and, honestly, taking swapping the rock for dragon probably means it will struggle just as much if not more at some stages. So it's not like I think doing it this way dooms it, it just feels more logical to me if the goal was to figure out what type it was before it was extinct.
Imo aerodactyl makes more sense as flying dragon. ALL of the fossils are rock ONLY because they were fossils. In my mind that makes flying the primary type. Haven't finished the video yet so I'm unsure of the results, but I suspect it'll be worse. Not sure if flying type would make a difference or not but I feel it would be the more accurate/interesting comparison. Anyways thanks for the video and have a good day!
Yeah, I debated this. I went with the Rock type because because the basic concept of a Dragon/Flying Pokemon is already there with Dragonite, albeit he gets no STAB. I may go back and do a separate Dragon/Flying Aerodactyl after the fact.
Aerodactyl is not a fossil pokemon. It's revived from DNA trapped in amber, not from a fossil. So it was an inherent rock flying type originally. Some of the later games explain this in their pokedex descriptions of its mega evolution. They state the mega evolution restores it to its true state with a rocky body.
They probably didn't want to give Lance a starter since you'd be fighting Blue's potential Charizard in the next battle. Considering reptiles are probably the inspiration for dragons, it was a decent choice to give it to Lance
I've found that in a lot of cases stab pays off more than coverage, that super effective hit usually doesn't compare to a stab neutral hit. Losing flying type really hurts it.
A thought, Aerodactyl is one of four lines to learn Hyper Beam by level up in Gen 1 according to Serebii, the other three being Gyarados, Snorlax and Dragonite. And only Snorlax isnt on Lance's team. This *might* be a deliberate design choice.
Aerodactyl does share way more in common with fantasy dragons/wyverns than it does with pterosaurs, to be honest. None of them had robust jaws or tails like that afaik. If it wasn't a fossilmon and had a different name I think people would just think of it as a dragon.
About 50:00, because crits ignore your own badge boosts and don't do double damage, you actually need to deal way more than 50% to get a 1-shot with a crit. At that level (63), you'd need to deal ~58.4% (101) to get the 1-shot. The link in the description is wrong (it's the Gyarados one), but I assume you dealt at least 100 damage with a normal attack where you got the 1-shot. Though all of this is just an approximation. In case you want to see each level's approximation, you can simply copy paste the code below into your browser's console (without_badge_boost is for when you don't have the badge boost for that stat yet, so it only really matters for special moves): const BADGE_BOOST = 1.125; for(let lv = 1; lv
I'm at the Giovanni gym fight and have been thinking about Aerodactyl and nonstandard movesets in particular. This Mon has so much potential, which is lost on such a lackluster moveset. Apologies if you've already covered thes already in other runs. Would you consider (a) tradeback moves or (b) STABmon moves for Aerodactyl? Tradeback Aerodactyl can learn rock throw, headbutt, roar, flamethrower, and earthquake. That can offer some decent coverage, especially early on. It's slow level up group *should* help with obedience, but you've already shown that to be questionable at best. STABmons, if you or others aren't familiar, is a side metagame in Smogon & Pokemon Showdown where Pokémon now learn all moves that match their typing. For Aerodactyl, that means rock slide, drill peck, and maybe even mirror move, which aren't bad options. As cool as it would be to give Arcanine flamethrower or Rhydon rock slide, I'd hazard against opening this floodgate on your channel. Not to mention the broken combinations for normal and psychic types, figuring out when and how Mons learn these moves in a roughly fair and honest manner is up to debate.
The changed movesets are incoming. I've done runs with other Pokemon with tradeback moves, as well as altered movesets for particular runs. I think I mentioned in the outro that Dractyl shall have a return with a better moveset
Well it does look like a wyvern, but also in fantasy I think there is a fine line between dragon and dinosaurs; there are dragon types that definitely look more like dinosaurs in later gens
This design is back from before the creators really knew what they were doing (like with TCG’s). They might have over estimated Aerodactyl’s crit rate and physical stats and compensated by limiting its STAB options.
Initial guess: Mostly unaffected It loses flying stab, but relying on fly is kinda terrible anyway. probably this is gonna be double edge spam: the run Aerodactyl is kinda terrible to start with, so I don't see this as being much of a change
I think there are clear advantages as a Dragon /Flying in a full run, particularly against Giovanni and the Champion. Wed end up with the end-game being almost identical though, since the strategy would still be Mimic/Hyper Beam strats
One thing I've long held in regards to Pokemon typing: If you are going to stick with the two-type limit, then I would forbid two combinations: Bug-Flying, and Dragon-Flying. Too many Bug types should really have Poison as their secondary type (Venomoth being the classic example), and Dragon-Flying excludes any Dragon types from having an elemental typing (though I understand the 4x weakness to Ice thing; I recommend adding Steel as a secondary weakness, because Knights in Steel armor kill Dragons, see?). Or better yet: Move past GB conventions and actually advance the series a bit.
Being rock/dragon means double weakness to ice and Aerodactyl is a bit lacking in the defensive department. However, having the original flying swaped with dragon would also mean it now has resistance to electric, neutral from water and weak to ground. Too bad gen 1 seriouly lacked moves from both those types and doesn't have the physical/special split, because Aerodactyl has decent SPD and ATK stats and could benefit from it, becoming a menace instead of a pushover.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges yeah, i was pretty sure rock types were weak to ice. At least in stadium, they get super effective from ice. Maybe it's because of their ground dual type or flying in Aerodactyl's case. I remember the only exception to this being the other gen 1 fossils, due to their dual type being water
Facecam! I wasn't expecting this. I like the idea of Aerodactyl being a Dragon/Rock type. I thing in later generations this could open up a better move pool and STAB options. Maybe I'm wrong.
Basically the issue is Aerodactyl is the cool typing of Dragon/Rock like Tyrantrum, with both the lack of threat from npc special attackers to take advantage of it's awesome starter resistances, and the lack of offensive moves afforded to the Dragon type in later gens, and the same crappy moveset that every Pokemon has in gen 1 aside from a handful of them. Dragon/Rock would be better in Gen 2 easily in comparison, because Dragon in Gen 1 is only a specially defensive type in an era where the special attacks it resists are either rare in the early and mid game, and the moves that hurt it the most are the most prevalent in the late game with Earthquake, Ice Beam, and Blizzard, alongside the odd fighting move being it's main threats. Another issue is that the most broken type is Psychic, which it has no resistance to, either, which functions to be even more defensive of a type because what makes Psychics hurt doesn't work or is pitiful even if or when it does damage. If they literally made at least one dragon move besides Dragon Rage that did super effective damage, even if it was middling in power at best, Dragonite would be usable, and even the Dragon likes used in this series with their normal typings getting it would have at least been better equipped for some situations.
All fair. I plan to do something similar in Gen 2 to see the difference. Because of course there were no Dragon moves in the Gen, and movepools were shallower in general in Gen 1.
A dragon Aerodactyl should also learn Dragon Rage from level 1-25 since it's fully evolved. They both should get Bite around level 15-20 and Sky Attack around 48-52.
I've been playing Pokemon since I was a kid and never knew Wing Attack had a BP of 35 in Gen 1, I thought it always had 60 BP That is so trashhhhh, no wonder it did zero damage whenever a Flying weak mon got struck by WA in Pokemon Stadium which I did play a fair amount when I was a kid. I think Rock/Dragon is somewhat better defensively than Rock/Flying but it doesn't really change much because gen 1 Aerodactyl movepool is arguably even shallower than Flareon's which is saying something.
Yeah, the weakness of flying moves was a big problem in Gen 1. Only Fly and Drill Peck were even serviceable in the Gen (since fly gives a semi-invulnerable turn). Why they decided to make Peck and Wing Attack the same is beyond me. Arrodactyl's problem is definitely movepool. like, I hate having to resort to Mimic strats because they're just generic for basically all Pokemon, but Aerodactyl has no chance without it.
I’m glad Tyrantrum/Tyrunt got the Rock/Dragon typing when gen 6 came out. I still think the Special Atk/Def should have been swapped but Game Freak is weird when it comes to stat spreads on a lot of Pokémon.
Yeah, there have been a lot of spots where stats didn't really match the movepool. From Gen 1 with Fire Types getting high attack when Fire is Special, or Gen 2 Dark type being special when Dark Types also tend to have high Attack... I would remake many a Pokemon if I could
I do not think the emulator can do that in Gen 1 (or can it?). I wanted to see Magneton as electric/flying. I want to see Koffing/Weezing as poison/flying.
Electric/flying could be possible but steel, i have my doubts, since this is gen 1 and steel type didn't even exist back then, being only introduced in gen 2
@@Bruce_Fernandes I hate it in Pokemon stadium how certain Pokemon are not super effective when hit with moves that one would think, logically, in life, would affect them or how ground moves can affect appear to be flying Pokemon. Somehow dig affects the Magnemite family and the Koffing family. Then you have Venomoth that is not affected by Electric type and same goes with Beedrill and Butterfree. If these are all flying Pokemon because they have wings, one would think they would all be affected by electricity.
Yeah, I haven't learned to actually hack the Rom for new types and moves. I need to learn that or find someone to help me out. The flying type to eliminate ground weakness on some of the Pokemon that float makes a lot of sense!
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Sounds good enough, ancient power by level up at 29, earthquake with tm and rock slide with move tutor will all do wonders for it, strength is an upgrade on gen 1 bite for non recoil move, flamethrower is more reliable than fire blast and something that could be used to experiment, it will still struggle a bit early game due to most moves being available after the first badges but overall it will do a much better performance imo
Yeah, this is edited. I do unedited live commentaries for each one though. I'm just cutting between attempts until either something interesting happens or progress is made.
The biggest red flag is that you had to DO an optimizing run. Unless I missed something, you didn't do that with Charizard or Gyarados. STAB mattered more than I expected. I kind of didn't think about how Aerodactyl was stuck with Wing Attack as pretty much its only attack option for a lot of the early game. "You'll want to use better moves anyway" requires better moves to be an option! Predictably, it was less influential late. Outside of that, though, it pretty much was what I expected - Ground-type moves are a special slice of hell. It didn't even require Earthquake, the Cupoke Maniac was trouble far earlier. There are a few spots where the Dragon-type helps, but the spots where it hurts REALLY hurt. One of the main problems is that Aerodactyl isn't great to begin with. I mean, you're really good at getting through these while avoiding the broken TMs, so the fact that you had to give in to Mimic with the normal Aerodactyl is a SEVERE indictment of its movepool. In fact, I think the only reason this run is even viable is because of Gen 1's bugged crit rates. The fact that Aerodactyl has a 1/4 chance to summon double damage at any time is monstrous. Imagine trying to get through that Sandslash hoping for the chances from other gens - particularly Gen 7 onward when it's 1/24! I think the No Crying rule would end up being broken. That plus Aerodactyl's high Attack and Speed to actually take advantage of it (though yes it's because of the Speed that it has the crit rate but whatever) are what carries it to the degree it CAN be carried - without the crit rate, I don't think even Mimic saves it, you're basically reduced to hoping for Double Team luck. I think Seadra won't go as smoothly as Gyarados, but that the difference won't be enormous. Seadra's worse stats will mean it's more vulnerable to luck, since it will need to spend turns setting up and hope that accuracy drops save it, so it's probably going to take longer, plus it just doesn't have as good of a movepool. However, I think the fact that it won't need to grind out against Brock will help, and since it won't really have as many TM options, it'll take fewer of those. As for Water/Dragon Seadra versus regular Seadra...I mean, it literally cannot possibly go worse than the original in theory. There's zero STAB implications and it trades both its weaknesses for one resistance. If the Dragon Seadra somehow does worse it's either because of misplays or bad luck.
I've actually done two runs of the Dragon type with each so far. But yeah, the utter lack of any new moves in the early game, losing STAB and losing Ground immunity are actually huge. By the late game though, it's all Mimic/Hyper Beam strats due to its shallow movepool in either case.
Ideas for this series: Bug/Ghost Parasect, Ground/Ghost Marowak, Fire/Ghost or Fire/Psychic Ninetales, Water/Psychic Golduck, Pure Rock Golem, Pure Ghost Gengar
Prediction before the video, Dragon typing will make it worse. Will come back to edit after finishing the run. Edit: Dragtyl definitely had its rough sports. I thought it was going to get lower than 61 to be honest. But I really like this series! I need to watch the Zard and Gyarados runs next!
Yeah, rough spots but with some optimization and high crit chance, you can reset for the luck in certain spots. I only felt the need to Rare Candy to get the crit range on Sandslash. I could have improved the time a lot of I hadn't thought I needed to be 70+ at the end and used Rare Candies earlier
It is in fact a Pteradon. His french name is Ptera. Makes perfect sense to me. As also to why Gyarados is not a Dragon-type, because in fact it's a leviathan, not a dragon. His french name is Léviator. I guess in some occurences, French names are pretty accurate to what the specie truly is. Also, I noticed that with your Dragon-type Gyarados run, yes I agree you get no real beneficial advantage offensively speaking, but defensively speaking though... damn boy Edit: Next run, I wanna see it with an elemental punch Hitmonchan, that is if with tools you can convert the damage of the moves from special to physical. I'm really curious to see what might have been of Hitmonchan if punches were phys
Yeah, but a Leviathan is described in the original.myths as a kind of dragon. So dragon type still makes sense there. I agree that clearly Aerodactyl is a pteradon. A physical change to elemental punches would be awesome, but I don't have a port of the game to do that just yet. I could, instead, swap the attack and special stat
@@RBYPokemonChallengesThat could be great, definitely. Thing is, in Gen I, Special stat is both attack and defense right, so that would also mean that Hitmonchan would get nearly perfect defenses haha But that would be really interesting to see. If I can find a good tool to do so, I'll share it with you so you can do other awesome '' what if '' runs haha I'm on a quest to find good tools for ROM hacking gen I and II games. I'm playing the polished, finished, '' what should have been Gen II '' rom hacks, where Cut is now a Bug-type move, instead of Normal, clearly indicating that changing types and stats is clearly possible. Also played a Team Rocket edition of R/B, where you start as a Grunt, and Giovanni gives you an aluminium baseball bat to clock a trainer in the face and steal his/her Pokémon haha
What was Normal Aerodactyl's "score"? Dragon-type Aero had a score of 61.05, caused mainly by so many optional battles... so, like, where does normal Aero land in relation?
I did that one on a Livestream and the overlay got reset midway through. It ended with 99 resets, 23 optional battles, 3 TMs and one broken TM, So it's 100-9.9-5.75-3-10= 71.35
I mean, Aerodactyl IS a pteranodon. It's just also a wyvern. Kinda like how Rhydon is a rhino but also a dinosaur, or how Sobble is a chameleon but also a salamander.
@@taylorchesser8990 never said it was just a rhino, but calling it a dinosaur would have a number of other implications, one being that it’s a reptile, which it obviously isn’t. However, your correction of kaiju seems to fit fairly well, or even anthropomorphic rhinoceros instead just a plain rhinoceros.
I wonder how a Dragon/Rock Aerodactyl do in Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen where it can learn STAB moves. Would it beat the normal Rock/flying Aerodactyl those games? Remember pokemon have more coverage like Brock's Onix with Rock tomb.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Aerodactyl gets Dragon claw as a TM and Dragonbreath an egg move, Maybe you could give Dragonbreath to Dractyl, as to make it fairer. As both Aerodactyl will be starting with a STAB 60 power move. Since Wing attack is Base 60 in Gen 3.
Aerodactyl as a rock dragon type didn't really gain any kind advantage, because it didn't really had any good moves let alone stab. Mimic and double edge don't really have that much good synergy my opinion. Maybe rest could be better than mimic if you'd like to rely only on hyoer beam and double edge.🤔 I didn't know that Aerodactyl is in 12 place in trems of base stat total,but I guess that high speed is to blame on this.😂 Maybe earthquake can make some fights better, while rock slide can take care of ice and flying types. 🤔 But will you count disobedience into the mix of trade back moves? Seadra is going to be fun , because you'll need to think outside of the box for it ,at least in the mid game. But I'm sure that you already have something in mind.
Yeah, I think it didn't have a great learnset overall. Better moves would have to be better, but we'll test it out! It's kind of interesting to see the base stat totals and ranks in the new overlay. Seadra is going to be very interesting, it seems like it should be between Aerodactyl and Gyarados somewhere.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges The new overlay is really cool, and it's even cooler to look at base stat total in terms of ranking. Yeah water dragon is a good typing ,and it can give Seadra a lot of useful resistances. I bet it would try to attempt to do Surge and Erika without backtracking. But, hey ,only one way to find out .🤔😁
Yeah, it does get some spots where the AI still wants to use Water moves, but not actually have them be super effective, but on the other hand, that Ground weakness is rough....
Defossilized fossils would be a good theme. Seeing a lot of suggestions for dragon/flying aerodactyl, which, makes sense, but wouldn't mind a look at like, a water/bug kaboto(ps)
this make me wondered how Aerodactyl in Gen1 if he actually can use move that he suppose can learn like Earthquake and Rockslide, will it make Aerodactyl better?
"This satisfied my curiosity on knowing what Aerodactyl could have been like had it been able to learn moves like Earthquake and Rockslide and if learning these moves, would have made it better."
I think because it is a fossil, dragon should have replaced rock. Because all the not "messed up" fossils are rock types. I think a series about fossil pokemon getting their og types would eat.
Gen 1 Rivals team depends on you're results versus Rival 1 and Rival 1a Lose to Rival 1 in Oak's lab - Vaporeon Win vs Rival 1 but skip or lose to Rival 1a - Flareon Beat Rival 1 and Rival 1a - Jolteon
Those would be very interesting. This little series is all because 2024 is Year of the Dragon, but I will likely mess with something like that in the future
Before watching this video. I also believe giving it dragon will make it worse . But I am excited to watch video :) . I do not want to nip pick or nothing Because love your series:) Just for me personally required fights only . for my personal minimum battles that does include no any battles with trainers that you need fight get item / tm as they don't block my progress in complete game . Just thought I would highlight this As you don't need to change anything:) just way I do personally do minimum battles :)
Yeah, this isn't a "minimum battles" run really... These are more about finding how good or bad the Dragon typing is in Gen 1, and the results are kind of interesting
There are a couple of reasons 1) the Attack increase is not really enough to offset her X Defends and 2) the high crit rate means we're fairly likely to just crit and do more damage anyhow
Been watching you ever since your first video. Hoping you get 100k+ views a video. Maybe your intro can be sharpened up? Can you get a sponsorship to increase your revenue? Merch? Stream?
Thank you so much! I agree about sharpening up the intros. I'm focusing my energy on the new overlay at this point, but I need to really work on my intro writing for sure. I started messing with merch a little bit (linked in description). Still on the fence about sponsorships, perhaps in the future. I have streamed here and there, but need to consider doing it more for sure
Lance is more of a Flying type champion because not many actual Dragons existed back then.
Squidgy was right!!!
He is a liar with the flyers indeed and you made the poor rock lizard non flyer which didnt perform very well. Isnt it kinda illegal Aerodactyl in Lances team in gen 2? I dont think he can learn Rock slide even in gen 2. Still interesting video and good series. Well be waiting for Seadra! @@RBYPokemonChallenges
@@jussioman It was probably supposed to learn rock slide in gen 2, but they replaced the TM with a different move, so ultimately it didn’t actually have access to it. Which doesn’t really help, but would at least explain how it happened.
The Elite 4 members each have two types that they are themed around.
Lorelei is water/ice
Bruno is fighting/rock
Agatha is poison/ghost
Lance is flying/dragon
@@jussioman Aerodactyl doesn't get Rock Slide until generation 3. His Dragonite also cheats in gen 1 because it has Barrier. Generation 6 is when Dragonite can finally learn Barrier through legitimate means
The words for Dinosaur and Dragon are the same in Japanese, thats why aerodactyl and some others are 'dragons'.
I wasn't even thinking about the Japanese, that 竜 was in 恐竜. なるほど。
Not sure about this, but I've heard all members of Lance team have "Ryu" in their name.
@@EwMatiasAnd Ryu means exactly that: Dragon
It can be used as both a prefix or suffix, like to say for example water dragon, or fire dragon or whatever you wanna put it.
. @EternalxFrost Yes, that is why he is the Dragon Master even though his pokemon aren't Dragon type
Would be interesting to see that Aerodactyl vs. a Flying Dragon Type Aerodactyl.
IMO, Aerodactyl got it's rock type just because it was a fossile, but it looks more like a Flying type than a Rock type to me.
I debated doing that... I decided to keep in line with the others by maintaining the change of Flying to Dragon, but a Flaying Dragon Aerodactyl may need a separate run sometime
An interesting step further. Assuming all Fossil pokemon are part Rock because they were fossilized... what secondary typing, if any, should all of the fossils have?
@@RBYPokemonChallenges The Aerodactyl flies through the night, looking for a sinner's soul to Flay...
/tease
@@ElladanKenet I could see Kabuto/Kabutops being perhaps part Bug, since I think the real life version are bugs or something. Omanyte/Omastar I'd have pure Water.
@@yoshi6421 Yeah, the Horseshoe Crab is def an arthopod, so Water/Bug makes sense. Omanyte being pure water is fine too. Could make an argument for poison or psychic maybe.
Cradilly is probably either pure grass, or grass/poison. Armoldo is either pure bug or bug/steel. It's steel armor got replaced with rock armor as a fossil.
Bastiodon was probably pure steel, and Cranidos... either he's Dragon type, or Fighting type. The dinosaur he's based on were supposedly pretty mean and territorial, so I see fighting.
Really tragic that Aerodactyl couldn’t learn Rock Slide in gen 1. That would have made this run just a bit better.
Yeah, I think Rock Slide and Earthquake are the key moves that would make it competitive with Pokemon like Gyarados in this format and eliminate the need for late-game Mimic strats
I think they stated that Lance was cheating or something because of his Aerodactyl knowing a move or something.
@@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 not to mention in gen 2 even his Dragonites aren't even level 55+. The man is definitely a cheater, and immoral. Who the hell uses hyper beam on a person??
@@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 Lance cheats because his Dragonite knows Barrier, a move Dragonite couldn't learn til X and Y(gen 6).Plus, they're all level 50 and Dragonite doesn't evolve until level 55! His Aerodactyl gets Rock Slide in gen 2, a move Aerodactyl couldn't learn until Fire Red and Leaf Green(gen 3)!
@@Kali_Krause I knew there was another missing piece. I looked at an article recently and it states about that barrier move; however, yes, getting Dragonites before their actual evolution level is so wrong.
Pretty OP. Only weak to dragon, fighting, ice and ground. Now neutral to water and grass.
In gen 1, there were no dragon moves effected by type. There also weren't any really good fighting moves, the best Submission with massive recoil (Karate Chop was inexplicably normal). That leaves ice and ground, but good news, several good options there... if you can learn them. Ice Beam, Blizzard, Dig, and Earthquake would all be big threats.
Where things would really be interesting is Gen 3, where like Flygon, this Aerodactyl would almost certainly get Levitate...
Yeah, I think the weakness to Ground is a much bigger deal than lowing the weakness to Water honestly. Yellow trainers lover to use Earthquake.
Aerodactyl can learn Fire Blast for Lorilei, but it has a base 60 special compared to its 105 Physical Attack. They should've given it Rock Slide which a gen 1 move made for Rock/Dragon Aerodactyl !
Honestly I think you should made this run with flying/dragon areodactyl. Rock is added cause it's fossil and all fossils are labeled with it. So, if any, it's his secondary typing. But oh well, this was fun regardless, keep the good work! :)
I was going off of what the game data stores as the primary typing, and Flying is ALWAYS secondary in the game data
@@RBYPokemonChallengesI wonder if with some tools it could actually be possible to implement triple typing (as in the Pokémon summary, in gen 1, you could clearly see there is enough space visually to get another typing in). That could be cool to get all of it, and for example make an Aerodactyl be Dragon/Flying/Rock. But would probably be wayyyyyy too OP lol
You must really want it to be made nearly impossible to beat Lorelei and Lance then
I always assumed that aerodactyl was a pseudo-dragon, as it has a mysterious, ancient aura to it. How OP it would be if it got dragon dance and head smash
Good questions! I will need to try that in a later Gen, cause I haven't learned how to backport the moves to Gen 1 (yet!)
Dragon dance on aerodactyl would be sick!
For me, Aerodactyls dragon comes more from its look like a Gargoyle, and many Gargoyles are also depicted as dragons, so that would be the stretch I would go for it.
The gargoyle comp makes sense
If you watch One Piece, you’d know the dinosaur devil fruits are Dragon Dragon no mi: Model “insert dino name”
I was always more of a DBZ, Cowboy Bebop, Crayon Shin-chan fan myself, but I'll take your word for it
@@RBYPokemonChallenges all of those are fiiire 🔥🔥
I'm not sure when you made the change, but I just noticed that your mic sounds so much better compared to your earlier videos. I know I definitely complained about that in the comments before lol.
Also I agree that it's definitely worth doing another run with the more updated moveset. That seems like it would be a night and day difference.
Yeah, I changed to a BEACN mic from the Blue Yeti last summer. It took me a while to get things dialed in, but now hopefully improved! Thanks for the advice though, it helps me know how to improve!
Just to mention, from gen 3 on Aerodactyl can learn Rock Slide (from a tutor in gen 3, by level-up and by TM in later generations), so if you’re updating its moveset in gen 1 it should definitely get it, no questions asked.
Yeah, I am doing standard Gen 1 movesets first, but I said in the live commentary of the first episode that the an is to give all of the dragons better movesets for a later video
A reasonable assumption is that stories concerning dragons have their origin in ancient peoples (at least ancient relative to our time) finding dinosaur fossils and those of non-dinosaurs, not knowing what these ancient creatures were, and assuming they were dragons. In fact, many of the mythological and cryptozoological creatures of renown are likely due to ancient peoples finding fossils of long-extinct fauna that had no (or very minor) similarities to their own modern-day creatures, and assuming they were evidence of the mythological creatures existing. So, it wouldn't surprise me at all if ancient conceptions of various types of dragons were merely peoples finding relatively well-preserved fossils of dinosaurs and guessing what they looked like, simply on a mythological scale.
For example, Gyarados is clearly based on Chinese mythological dragons, but to anyone in our modern-day, the resemblance to the Oarfish (which can grow as long as 56ft in length, has a large crest on it's head, lives in the temperate ocean waters worldwide, and a prominent dorsal fin running the length of its body) is uncanny. Imagine living 4000 years ago in China or Japan and finding a washed up oarfish. You'd think it was as mythological creature or a dragon as well.
So it's just a bit ahistorical to think that people who lived at a time when a "dinosaur" wasn't a thing, but dragons and other mythological creatures were, would find the fossilized remnants of a Pteranodon and associate them with a type of creature (a dinosaur or a reptile closely related to dinosaurs) they had no frame of reference for.
Yeah, I think this is the most logical explanation for Dragons in general in reality.
I think it should be dragon/flying. The only reason it’s a rock is because it’s a reanimated fossil.
Yeah, I can understand. As mentioned on some other similar comments, I am doing this series based on changing the secondary typing, and the secondary typing in the game RAM is Flying
@@RBYPokemonChallengesMakes sense, it's better for consistency and, honestly, taking swapping the rock for dragon probably means it will struggle just as much if not more at some stages. So it's not like I think doing it this way dooms it, it just feels more logical to me if the goal was to figure out what type it was before it was extinct.
I think Aerodactyl was a dragon in prehistoric times
That's gotta be it! Lance was actually right?!
It was a rock and flying they said mega aero is what the original back in its time was supposed to look like
You missed the chance for the dbz rock the dragon reference.
RIP, wasn't think of DBZ at all
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Or putting in an Imagine Dragons song in this. RADIOACTIVE...RADIOACTIVE.
Bird Keeper Lance wants to battle.
Someone tell Squidgy he was right about the "liar with the flyers"
Imo aerodactyl makes more sense as flying dragon. ALL of the fossils are rock ONLY because they were fossils. In my mind that makes flying the primary type. Haven't finished the video yet so I'm unsure of the results, but I suspect it'll be worse. Not sure if flying type would make a difference or not but I feel it would be the more accurate/interesting comparison. Anyways thanks for the video and have a good day!
Yeah, I debated this. I went with the Rock type because because the basic concept of a Dragon/Flying Pokemon is already there with Dragonite, albeit he gets no STAB. I may go back and do a separate Dragon/Flying Aerodactyl after the fact.
Aerodactyl is not a fossil pokemon. It's revived from DNA trapped in amber, not from a fossil. So it was an inherent rock flying type originally. Some of the later games explain this in their pokedex descriptions of its mega evolution. They state the mega evolution restores it to its true state with a rocky body.
They probably didn't want to give Lance a starter since you'd be fighting Blue's potential Charizard in the next battle. Considering reptiles are probably the inspiration for dragons, it was a decent choice to give it to Lance
Yeah, I can kind of understand design-wise. But he has so few "Dragons" while everything is basically a dragon...
*In later gens this would be OP to have a Rock/Dragon with Levitate as the ability. Its a strong typing that would minimize weaknesses!*
Yeah, if we could add abilities like that in Gen 1 it would be incredible
I've found that in a lot of cases stab pays off more than coverage, that super effective hit usually doesn't compare to a stab neutral hit. Losing flying type really hurts it.
Yeah, I think the flying immunity to ground is also something that can't be overlooked in Yellow version
A thought, Aerodactyl is one of four lines to learn Hyper Beam by level up in Gen 1 according to Serebii, the other three being Gyarados, Snorlax and Dragonite. And only Snorlax isnt on Lance's team. This *might* be a deliberate design choice.
True, it seems like in Gen 1 they originally intended for Hyper Beam to be a signature move of Dragon-types, but they made in Normal-type in the end.
Aerodactyl does share way more in common with fantasy dragons/wyverns than it does with pterosaurs, to be honest. None of them had robust jaws or tails like that afaik. If it wasn't a fossilmon and had a different name I think people would just think of it as a dragon.
This might be the best explanation I have seen so far 100
About 50:00, because crits ignore your own badge boosts and don't do double damage, you actually need to deal way more than 50% to get a 1-shot with a crit.
At that level (63), you'd need to deal ~58.4% (101) to get the 1-shot.
The link in the description is wrong (it's the Gyarados one), but I assume you dealt at least 100 damage with a normal attack where you got the 1-shot.
Though all of this is just an approximation.
In case you want to see each level's approximation, you can simply copy paste the code below into your browser's console (without_badge_boost is for when you don't have the badge boost for that stat yet, so it only really matters for special moves):
const BADGE_BOOST = 1.125;
for(let lv = 1; lv
That is true. I didn't calculate it out, but I know until high levels it's way less than 2x for a crit. Nice to see the math.
I'm at the Giovanni gym fight and have been thinking about Aerodactyl and nonstandard movesets in particular. This Mon has so much potential, which is lost on such a lackluster moveset. Apologies if you've already covered thes already in other runs. Would you consider (a) tradeback moves or (b) STABmon moves for Aerodactyl?
Tradeback Aerodactyl can learn rock throw, headbutt, roar, flamethrower, and earthquake. That can offer some decent coverage, especially early on. It's slow level up group *should* help with obedience, but you've already shown that to be questionable at best.
STABmons, if you or others aren't familiar, is a side metagame in Smogon & Pokemon Showdown where Pokémon now learn all moves that match their typing. For Aerodactyl, that means rock slide, drill peck, and maybe even mirror move, which aren't bad options. As cool as it would be to give Arcanine flamethrower or Rhydon rock slide, I'd hazard against opening this floodgate on your channel. Not to mention the broken combinations for normal and psychic types, figuring out when and how Mons learn these moves in a roughly fair and honest manner is up to debate.
The changed movesets are incoming. I've done runs with other Pokemon with tradeback moves, as well as altered movesets for particular runs. I think I mentioned in the outro that Dractyl shall have a return with a better moveset
Well it does look like a wyvern, but also in fantasy I think there is a fine line between dragon and dinosaurs; there are dragon types that definitely look more like dinosaurs in later gens
That is a fact. I think they could easily argue that dinosaurs are the inspiration for dragons in the first place
Honestly, i think aerodactyl deserve a run with the moveset based on gen 3, so that it can finally use rock slide and earthquake
This is coming later, as stated in the outro. Gen 1 just hated Aerodactyl for some reason...
@@RBYPokemonChallenges oh nice, can't wait for that. Yeah, poor aerodactyl, is my favourite fossile pokemon too of gen 1
This design is back from before the creators really knew what they were doing (like with TCG’s). They might have over estimated Aerodactyl’s crit rate and physical stats and compensated by limiting its STAB options.
@@Surfer92 mhh that's a good theory, but why then allow so many psychic types to be so fast and so strong in the special department?
@@SchumiJr. well you got me there 😅
Initial guess: Mostly unaffected
It loses flying stab, but relying on fly is kinda terrible anyway.
probably this is gonna be double edge spam: the run
Aerodactyl is kinda terrible to start with, so I don't see this as being much of a change
There was definitely Double Edge spam going on for a long part
Maybe Dragon/flying Aerodactyl would be better I think cool series by the way
Dragon/Flying vs Rock/Dragon in Gen 1:
Dragon/Flying
Neutral: Flying, Normal, Ghost, Psychic, Electric, and Poison
Immunities: Ground
Weaknesses: x2-Rock and Dragon, x4- Ice
Resistances: × 1/2-Fire, Bug, Water, and Fighting, ×1/4 Grass
Rock/Dragon
Neutral: Ghost, Water, Bug, Psychic, Grass, and Rock
Immunities: None
Weaknesses: x2 Ground, Ice, Fighting, and Dragon
Resistances: ×1/2 Normal, Poison, Electric, and Flying, ×1/4 Fire
I think there are clear advantages as a Dragon /Flying in a full run, particularly against Giovanni and the Champion. Wed end up with the end-game being almost identical though, since the strategy would still be Mimic/Hyper Beam strats
One thing I've long held in regards to Pokemon typing: If you are going to stick with the two-type limit, then I would forbid two combinations: Bug-Flying, and Dragon-Flying. Too many Bug types should really have Poison as their secondary type (Venomoth being the classic example), and Dragon-Flying excludes any Dragon types from having an elemental typing (though I understand the 4x weakness to Ice thing; I recommend adding Steel as a secondary weakness, because Knights in Steel armor kill Dragons, see?).
Or better yet: Move past GB conventions and actually advance the series a bit.
But I thought Venomoth was Psychic/Flying....
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Gah, see what happens when you are limited to just two types? Because yes, it should *really* be Bug/Psychic/Poison/Flying.
Being rock/dragon means double weakness to ice and Aerodactyl is a bit lacking in the defensive department.
However, having the original flying swaped with dragon would also mean it now has resistance to electric, neutral from water and weak to ground.
Too bad gen 1 seriouly lacked moves from both those types and doesn't have the physical/special split, because Aerodactyl has decent SPD and ATK stats and could benefit from it, becoming a menace instead of a pushover.
Rock isn't weak to ice.
I always though Rock was weak to Ice too, fwiw
@@RBYPokemonChallenges yeah, i was pretty sure rock types were weak to ice. At least in stadium, they get super effective from ice. Maybe it's because of their ground dual type or flying in Aerodactyl's case. I remember the only exception to this being the other gen 1 fossils, due to their dual type being water
To be fair I always thought the rock typing as the effect of revial , so I always thought it night of been flying dragon lol
We will come back to this.
Facecam! I wasn't expecting this. I like the idea of Aerodactyl being a Dragon/Rock type. I thing in later generations this could open up a better move pool and STAB options. Maybe I'm wrong.
Yeah, later gens will be fun to test this. I might do it for laughs on my Gen 2 channel first
Basically the issue is Aerodactyl is the cool typing of Dragon/Rock like Tyrantrum, with both the lack of threat from npc special attackers to take advantage of it's awesome starter resistances, and the lack of offensive moves afforded to the Dragon type in later gens, and the same crappy moveset that every Pokemon has in gen 1 aside from a handful of them. Dragon/Rock would be better in Gen 2 easily in comparison, because Dragon in Gen 1 is only a specially defensive type in an era where the special attacks it resists are either rare in the early and mid game, and the moves that hurt it the most are the most prevalent in the late game with Earthquake, Ice Beam, and Blizzard, alongside the odd fighting move being it's main threats. Another issue is that the most broken type is Psychic, which it has no resistance to, either, which functions to be even more defensive of a type because what makes Psychics hurt doesn't work or is pitiful even if or when it does damage. If they literally made at least one dragon move besides Dragon Rage that did super effective damage, even if it was middling in power at best, Dragonite would be usable, and even the Dragon likes used in this series with their normal typings getting it would have at least been better equipped for some situations.
All fair. I plan to do something similar in Gen 2 to see the difference. Because of course there were no Dragon moves in the Gen, and movepools were shallower in general in Gen 1.
A dragon Aerodactyl should also learn Dragon Rage from level 1-25 since it's fully evolved. They both should get Bite around level 15-20 and Sky Attack around 48-52.
Yeah, if I could hack the rom, that would be a good adjustment
I do have to wonder how an Ice/Dragon Lapras would fare. Sure, it's more a lochness monster than an actual dragon, but it's an idea.
It is a fair idea to try. It has the moveset, but lower speed, but also incredible bulk....
I've been playing Pokemon since I was a kid and never knew Wing Attack had a BP of 35 in Gen 1, I thought it always had 60 BP
That is so trashhhhh, no wonder it did zero damage whenever a Flying weak mon got struck by WA in Pokemon Stadium which I did play a fair amount when I was a kid.
I think Rock/Dragon is somewhat better defensively than Rock/Flying but it doesn't really change much because gen 1 Aerodactyl movepool is arguably even shallower than Flareon's which is saying something.
Yeah, the weakness of flying moves was a big problem in Gen 1. Only Fly and Drill Peck were even serviceable in the Gen (since fly gives a semi-invulnerable turn). Why they decided to make Peck and Wing Attack the same is beyond me.
Arrodactyl's problem is definitely movepool. like, I hate having to resort to Mimic strats because they're just generic for basically all Pokemon, but Aerodactyl has no chance without it.
I’m glad Tyrantrum/Tyrunt got the Rock/Dragon typing when gen 6 came out. I still think the Special Atk/Def should have been swapped but Game Freak is weird when it comes to stat spreads on a lot of Pokémon.
Yeah, there have been a lot of spots where stats didn't really match the movepool. From Gen 1 with Fire Types getting high attack when Fire is Special, or Gen 2 Dark type being special when Dark Types also tend to have high Attack... I would remake many a Pokemon if I could
how good would pikachu be , given the dragon typing?
18:45 No, a Rock/Dragon should resist electric moves, not be neutral to them.
lol, pure fail there 😂
Seadra will be fun.
Speaking of alternative typings, how about unleashing electric-steel Magenton on gen 1?
I do not think the emulator can do that in Gen 1 (or can it?). I wanted to see Magneton as electric/flying. I want to see Koffing/Weezing as poison/flying.
Electric/flying could be possible but steel, i have my doubts, since this is gen 1 and steel type didn't even exist back then, being only introduced in gen 2
@@Bruce_Fernandes I hate it in Pokemon stadium how certain Pokemon are not super effective when hit with moves that one would think, logically, in life, would affect them or how ground moves can affect appear to be flying Pokemon.
Somehow dig affects the Magnemite family and the Koffing family. Then you have Venomoth that is not affected by Electric type and same goes with Beedrill and Butterfree.
If these are all flying Pokemon because they have wings, one would think they would all be affected by electricity.
Yeah, I haven't learned to actually hack the Rom for new types and moves. I need to learn that or find someone to help me out. The flying type to eliminate ground weakness on some of the Pokemon that float makes a lot of sense!
aeros biggest problem in gen 1 was its movepool, which this run kinda illustrates
Yeah, it basically had no movesets. Shall we go with the Gen 3 learnset?
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Sounds good enough, ancient power by level up at 29, earthquake with tm and rock slide with move tutor will all do wonders for it, strength is an upgrade on gen 1 bite for non recoil move, flamethrower is more reliable than fire blast and something that could be used to experiment, it will still struggle a bit early game due to most moves being available after the first badges but overall it will do a much better performance imo
48:52 the Gyarados hits hydro pump, but no damage occurs
I think this video might be spliced
Yeah, this is edited. I do unedited live commentaries for each one though. I'm just cutting between attempts until either something interesting happens or progress is made.
The biggest red flag is that you had to DO an optimizing run. Unless I missed something, you didn't do that with Charizard or Gyarados.
STAB mattered more than I expected. I kind of didn't think about how Aerodactyl was stuck with Wing Attack as pretty much its only attack option for a lot of the early game. "You'll want to use better moves anyway" requires better moves to be an option! Predictably, it was less influential late.
Outside of that, though, it pretty much was what I expected - Ground-type moves are a special slice of hell. It didn't even require Earthquake, the Cupoke Maniac was trouble far earlier. There are a few spots where the Dragon-type helps, but the spots where it hurts REALLY hurt.
One of the main problems is that Aerodactyl isn't great to begin with. I mean, you're really good at getting through these while avoiding the broken TMs, so the fact that you had to give in to Mimic with the normal Aerodactyl is a SEVERE indictment of its movepool.
In fact, I think the only reason this run is even viable is because of Gen 1's bugged crit rates. The fact that Aerodactyl has a 1/4 chance to summon double damage at any time is monstrous. Imagine trying to get through that Sandslash hoping for the chances from other gens - particularly Gen 7 onward when it's 1/24! I think the No Crying rule would end up being broken. That plus Aerodactyl's high Attack and Speed to actually take advantage of it (though yes it's because of the Speed that it has the crit rate but whatever) are what carries it to the degree it CAN be carried - without the crit rate, I don't think even Mimic saves it, you're basically reduced to hoping for Double Team luck.
I think Seadra won't go as smoothly as Gyarados, but that the difference won't be enormous. Seadra's worse stats will mean it's more vulnerable to luck, since it will need to spend turns setting up and hope that accuracy drops save it, so it's probably going to take longer, plus it just doesn't have as good of a movepool. However, I think the fact that it won't need to grind out against Brock will help, and since it won't really have as many TM options, it'll take fewer of those. As for Water/Dragon Seadra versus regular Seadra...I mean, it literally cannot possibly go worse than the original in theory. There's zero STAB implications and it trades both its weaknesses for one resistance. If the Dragon Seadra somehow does worse it's either because of misplays or bad luck.
I've actually done two runs of the Dragon type with each so far.
But yeah, the utter lack of any new moves in the early game, losing STAB and losing Ground immunity are actually huge. By the late game though, it's all Mimic/Hyper Beam strats due to its shallow movepool in either case.
Ideas for this series: Bug/Ghost Parasect, Ground/Ghost Marowak, Fire/Ghost or Fire/Psychic Ninetales, Water/Psychic Golduck, Pure Rock Golem, Pure Ghost Gengar
The Ghost type runs need to come in next fall I think 🤔. The Water/Psychic Psyduck makes too much sense.
Prediction before the video, Dragon typing will make it worse. Will come back to edit after finishing the run.
Edit: Dragtyl definitely had its rough sports. I thought it was going to get lower than 61 to be honest. But I really like this series! I need to watch the Zard and Gyarados runs next!
Yeah, rough spots but with some optimization and high crit chance, you can reset for the luck in certain spots. I only felt the need to Rare Candy to get the crit range on Sandslash. I could have improved the time a lot of I hadn't thought I needed to be 70+ at the end and used Rare Candies earlier
It is in fact a Pteradon. His french name is Ptera. Makes perfect sense to me.
As also to why Gyarados is not a Dragon-type, because in fact it's a leviathan, not a dragon. His french name is Léviator. I guess in some occurences, French names are pretty accurate to what the specie truly is.
Also, I noticed that with your Dragon-type Gyarados run, yes I agree you get no real beneficial advantage offensively speaking, but defensively speaking though... damn boy
Edit: Next run, I wanna see it with an elemental punch Hitmonchan, that is if with tools you can convert the damage of the moves from special to physical. I'm really curious to see what might have been of Hitmonchan if punches were phys
Yeah, but a Leviathan is described in the original.myths as a kind of dragon. So dragon type still makes sense there.
I agree that clearly Aerodactyl is a pteradon.
A physical change to elemental punches would be awesome, but I don't have a port of the game to do that just yet. I could, instead, swap the attack and special stat
@@RBYPokemonChallengesThat could be great, definitely. Thing is, in Gen I, Special stat is both attack and defense right, so that would also mean that Hitmonchan would get nearly perfect defenses haha
But that would be really interesting to see. If I can find a good tool to do so, I'll share it with you so you can do other awesome '' what if '' runs haha
I'm on a quest to find good tools for ROM hacking gen I and II games. I'm playing the polished, finished, '' what should have been Gen II '' rom hacks, where Cut is now a Bug-type move, instead of Normal, clearly indicating that changing types and stats is clearly possible. Also played a Team Rocket edition of R/B, where you start as a Grunt, and Giovanni gives you an aluminium baseball bat to clock a trainer in the face and steal his/her Pokémon haha
Aerodactyl man looks so good in that Thumbnail if only he had an answer to Brock and the proper Learnset for Gen 1 😞😞
Facts!
What was Normal Aerodactyl's "score"? Dragon-type Aero had a score of 61.05, caused mainly by so many optional battles... so, like, where does normal Aero land in relation?
I did that one on a Livestream and the overlay got reset midway through. It ended with 99 resets, 23 optional battles, 3 TMs and one broken TM, So it's 100-9.9-5.75-3-10= 71.35
I mean, Aerodactyl IS a pteranodon. It's just also a wyvern. Kinda like how Rhydon is a rhino but also a dinosaur, or how Sobble is a chameleon but also a salamander.
Fair point
How tfrick is Rhydon a dinosaur bruh?
@@matthewheald8964 Rhinoceri don't have claws or thick tails or multiple horns. Call it a kaiju if you prefer but it's definitely not just a rhino
@@taylorchesser8990 never said it was just a rhino, but calling it a dinosaur would have a number of other implications, one being that it’s a reptile, which it obviously isn’t. However, your correction of kaiju seems to fit fairly well, or even anthropomorphic rhinoceros instead just a plain rhinoceros.
I wonder how a Dragon/Rock Aerodactyl do in Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen where it can learn STAB moves.
Would it beat the normal Rock/flying Aerodactyl those games? Remember pokemon have more coverage like Brock's Onix with Rock tomb.
That is true and something I plan to investigate in the future. We have not seen the last of Dractyl
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Aerodactyl gets Dragon claw as a TM and Dragonbreath an egg move, Maybe you could give Dragonbreath to Dractyl, as to make it fairer.
As both Aerodactyl will be starting with a STAB 60 power move. Since Wing attack is Base 60 in Gen 3.
If you ask me, I think since it's type was change, at least some same type moves should of been change to either dragon or rock
That is in an upcoming video, hold tight my guy
OMG I didn't expect a reply, big fan, I wish I had the guts to do challenges like this, specially in minimum battles@@RBYPokemonChallenges
first moment in and i see a Chaotic Reference with the name Dractyl
Aw yeah!
I really thought Seadra with the dragon type would come first lol
That is next.
14:42 I haven't dated since that happened, and that was two years ago
It happens to the beat of us bro. Don't give up!
Are there plans to do something similar for other types? Like water/psychic golduck?
These are being thrown around and I'm here for them. I will likely sprinkle them in with other content, because I think it's really fun to test out
So the conclusion is that out of all of these,
This one should've been a dragon,
Even if it's just because of Lance.
Lance would know 😂
Aerodactyl as a rock dragon type didn't really gain any kind advantage, because it didn't really had any good moves let alone stab.
Mimic and double edge don't really have that much good synergy my opinion. Maybe rest could be better than mimic if you'd like to rely only on hyoer beam and double edge.🤔
I didn't know that Aerodactyl is in 12 place in trems of base stat total,but I guess that high speed is to blame on this.😂
Maybe earthquake can make some fights better, while rock slide can take care of ice and flying types. 🤔 But will you count disobedience into the mix of trade back moves?
Seadra is going to be fun , because you'll need to think outside of the box for it ,at least in the mid game. But I'm sure that you already have something in mind.
Yeah, I think it didn't have a great learnset overall. Better moves would have to be better, but we'll test it out!
It's kind of interesting to see the base stat totals and ranks in the new overlay.
Seadra is going to be very interesting, it seems like it should be between Aerodactyl and Gyarados somewhere.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges The new overlay is really cool, and it's even cooler to look at base stat total in terms of ranking.
Yeah water dragon is a good typing ,and it can give Seadra a lot of useful resistances. I bet it would try to attempt to do Surge and Erika without backtracking. But, hey ,only one way to find out .🤔😁
Yeah, I don't know if it will hurt but outside Surge I don't think it will help Aerodactyl.
Yeah, it does get some spots where the AI still wants to use Water moves, but not actually have them be super effective, but on the other hand, that Ground weakness is rough....
Defossilized fossils would be a good theme. Seeing a lot of suggestions for dragon/flying aerodactyl, which, makes sense, but wouldn't mind a look at like, a water/bug kaboto(ps)
Woah, the Water/Bug Kabutops sounds incredible!
i'd love to see sonething like this for other types, definately something for like Gen 3 whenever/if you do Gen 3 in the future
I'm still debating how I want to do Gen 3 properly, e.g. on this channel or separately.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges could always do a RSEPokeminChallenges channel
Does the damage rounding threshold (0,3,5,8) also apply to Generation 2 by chance?
I believe so. The devs like to round fractions down rather than rounding to the nearest whole number
@@RBYPokemonChallenges great! Thank you sir!
It even applies to gen 3 unsure about gen 4 tho
I think aerodactyl should be dragon flying at least before it became a fossil
That seems to be the consensus
this make me wondered how Aerodactyl in Gen1 if he actually can use move that he suppose can learn like Earthquake and Rockslide, will it make Aerodactyl better?
"This satisfied my curiosity on knowing what Aerodactyl could have been like had it been able to learn moves like Earthquake and Rockslide and if learning these moves, would have made it better."
@@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 also Body slam, because Aerodactyl deserve it
Yeah, I think a more ideal moveset improves it a lot!
I think because it is a fossil, dragon should have replaced rock. Because all the not "messed up" fossils are rock types. I think a series about fossil pokemon getting their og types would eat.
This is something to look into that Water/Bug Kabutops looks legit. But what typing to we give Omastar?
@RBYPokemonChallenges I believe in you, you can figure this out!
Just posted a poll, because I can think of 2-3 legit answers
@@RBYPokemonChallenges does this make me an influencer?
can some explain how the rival 1a eevee manipulation works? he said if he doesnt fight 1a then he would have a flareon instead of a jolt?
Gen 1 Rivals team depends on you're results versus Rival 1 and Rival 1a
Lose to Rival 1 in Oak's lab - Vaporeon
Win vs Rival 1 but skip or lose to Rival 1a - Flareon
Beat Rival 1 and Rival 1a - Jolteon
@@RBYPokemonChallenges thank you very much
Will you be trying the other elite four members questionable choices? Ghost type Arbok? Ice-water type Slowbro? .... Fighting-rock type Onix?
Those would be very interesting. This little series is all because 2024 is Year of the Dragon, but I will likely mess with something like that in the future
I think it was pokemon go were someone said not all dragon pokemon are dragon type
Yeah, there is a clip of Lance saying that out there somewhere
How good would Aerodactyl be as a Dragon Flying Pokémon?
I will do this based on how much people are asking for it!
Maybe giving him Rock Throw at level 20 could make him better. And for higher levels Rock Slide.
I agree.
@@RBYPokemonChallengesYes Aerodactyl deserves some love.
Before watching this video.
I also believe giving it dragon will make it worse . But I am excited to watch video :) .
I do not want to nip pick or nothing
Because love your series:)
Just for me personally required fights only .
for my personal minimum battles that does include no any battles with trainers that you need fight get item / tm as they don't block my progress in complete game .
Just thought I would highlight this
As you don't need to change anything:) just way I do personally do minimum battles :)
Yeah, this isn't a "minimum battles" run really... These are more about finding how good or bad the Dragon typing is in Gen 1, and the results are kind of interesting
What about dragon flying aerodactyl? Does is improve if it still gets its stab moves?
This is getting loads of requests, so I think a test is in order. It will likely be a follow-up at the end, since Seadra is currently in progress!
You should try Aerodactyl as a Dragon/Flying Pokémon.
This is becoming a theme!
lance is a flying pokemon master gen 1
Falkner's Dad, clearly. Passed down his cherished bird when he got Dragonite
As lance would say not all dragons are dragon type 🐉 🐉 😂
Lance lies again! 😂
have you done a what if dragonite was a normal type?
That one is upcoming! It's next after Seadra
would be interesting to see how some pokemon would do in these games, with modern movesets.
Yeah, I haven't dived into ROM hacking enough to put together a Rom with new moves. It's a future plans thing for me
@RBYPokemonChallenges keep going, and you'll get there 😁
Earned a sub from me. Making videos on things I always wondered about (Dragon type Charizard and Gyarados, etc). Keep up the good content.
Thanks for the sub!
3:37 “wiil Aerodactyl be better or worse…” hmm, wiiiiil it? 🎉
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SEEL used ICE SHARD!
RIP
Who is Rival Five and what has he done with Rival Fival?
I don't want to steal JRose's content.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges 🤣
I also thought aeridactke was always a phrwradactke.
Just love at thr ,ast part of its name dactle
phrwradactke? How do I pronounce that?
@@RBYPokemonChallenges sorry I don’t know how to spell dinosaur names.
Pronounce. Terra-dactle.
Why not badge boost vs Staryu using Agility? Would give you +3 attack vs Starmie
There are a couple of reasons 1) the Attack increase is not really enough to offset her X Defends and 2) the high crit rate means we're fairly likely to just crit and do more damage anyhow
Next do normal Rhydon (its moveset makes us believe it was intended to be normal at first)
That is a fun one to do later for sure! Normal/Dragon Dragonite is also on the list
Been watching you ever since your first video. Hoping you get 100k+ views a video.
Maybe your intro can be sharpened up? Can you get a sponsorship to increase your revenue? Merch? Stream?
Thank you so much!
I agree about sharpening up the intros. I'm focusing my energy on the new overlay at this point, but I need to really work on my intro writing for sure.
I started messing with merch a little bit (linked in description). Still on the fence about sponsorships, perhaps in the future. I have streamed here and there, but need to consider doing it more for sure
What about a Dragon / Flying Aerodactyl? It could be better than a Dragon / Rock one.
This is in the works
What if you do a part 2 with a Dragon/flying Aerodactyl?
Everyone has demanded it, so it shall be done.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Is Onix gonna be on this challange as a rock/dragon type? After all, it is like a rock Gyarados
What if he was dragon flying
Tons of requests for this, so we will come back to that
Iirc ptera also was it's jp name
I know the channel name i rby but i would love to see how the dragon type affected charizard, gyrados and aerodatyl in gen 2 :D
Maybe something he could do on the other channel.
Yeah, I'd like to do this on GSC Pokemon Challenges, since the results will be very different, I imagine.
Yeah, I'd like to do this on GSC Pokemon Challenges, since the results will be very different, I imagine.
Your truest fan. Never forget that.
Absolutely, that you for all of your support Jawon!
You should do Seadra water dragon
That is up next!
Hey you are NOT GSC Pokémon Challenges!!!
Oh god lol
@@RBYPokemonChallenges this meme will never die!!!
Actually electric is resisted by dractyl
Yeah, that was a pure fail!
Dragon type should be weak to rock type. Change my mind.
I mean, dragon eggs turned ok stone in other fantasy lore and all that...
Weak wing attack and fly. No good dragon moves. Rock tms might be okay, but how much pp?
This is the issue. Plus, it learns no Rock moves in Gen 1
@@RBYPokemonChallenges isnt rock slide a tm? rock slide not a TM it can learn?
THESE ARE ALL POINTLESS BECAUSE THE ONLY MOVE IS DRAGON RAGE
Wait, you mean they learn no other moves???
About that it could be worst just not as bad As its gen 1 counter part since normally its pure CRAP.
I usually try to point out that it might not be as bad as you think, but this is a case where I think you're dead on 😂
Lance is a liar and a nerd
Liar with the Flyers, confirmed!
Isn't there only like 2 rock moves and 1 dragon move in gen 1? Absolutely useless types 😂
This