I agree. The reason for losing Swift was because Blizzard is needed to get the ranges I need on Rival 5. Without it, that fight is MUCH worse. It's a tradeoff though for sure
So, the whole thing about using pokedoll on the ghost has an actual answer to if it's a glitch or not. It's not a glitch, it's not caused by any coding error, rather it's an oversight with the pokedoll being considered a different end-state for a battle than running normally. This means it's an exploit. That said, please keep it the standard for minimum battles not to use it. The rocket game corner is a really important test for some pokemon and makes the runs so much more interesting overall.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges I just wanted to clear up the misconception about it since it really bugs me when people say that it shouldn't be allowed in the "no major glitches" speedruns of the Gen 1 pokemon games. It's also one set of rules for one category, using it for something that isn't in the category is ridiculous. You don't want to sequence break because it messes with the intended balance of the game, that's all the justification you need for it. ^w^ Also, feel free to use the explanation I gave here if you ever need to talk about it in a video again.
I think there would be a choke point for a lot of Pokémon that they have to be able to beat Misty without using the Pokémon centre in Cerulean, that seems like it could be difficult?
Luck is definitely a factor, but it also is about the fact that on Yellow we need Rare Candies o Blaine to make that fight consistent. If he were easier like Blue version Blaine, we would have gotten a higher level at the end and likely done better
I wouldn't say the Pokedoll oversight is a glitch. It's an oversight. It's clear that the intent wasn't to allow you to skip Marowak by using a Pokedoll, but they forgot to code an exception for that battle. It's like how being able to dig out of some places in Blue where they forgot to tag them as not being able to dig out of, but they did fix a lot of them in Yellow. Not a glitch, just, they clearly didn't intend for you to do that based on how you can only do those things in the oldest releases. A glitch typically happens when you have an unintended outcome from something that the game is trying to make sense of. A pokedoll ends a battle. That's all it does. It's working as intended, it's just for story purposes, it shouldn't work, and that's why they fixed it in Fire Red/Leaf Green and Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee. A glitch would be like Missingno. Not an intentional thing that they programmed in the game, or the "Mew glitch" or various other things that another UA-camr uses in a video series calling them "secrets" and an actual secret would be something the devs intended but hid well. I highly doubt anyone working on Red and Green and Blue and Yellow was like "alright, we're going to make it so you can open the menu when a trainer from a long distance spots you, then you can teleport away, get into a battle, and encounter a Mew, but if you use Growl several times it can be level 1 Pokemon that you encounter that can have underflowed experience and when the game tries to correct this, it becomes level 100. BRILLIANT!"...
I can certainly understand where you're coming from. However, I would argue that in these cases the Trainer Fly is therefore an exploit and not a glitch. it was simply ab oversight of the developers to consider that pressing start to open the menu and fly/dig/escape rope is working exactly as intended, and it was simply an oversight to not make that work when a trainer spotted you and an oversight not to code an exception for th case of ending a battle when a player escapes in view of a trainer. Same for Badge Boost glitch, it was a mistake in the core that was implemented, but we aren't altering the game and overwriting data somewhere, were simply exploiting an oversight from the devs.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges I'd say glitches can be oversights but not all oversights are glitches. The pokedoll is working as intended as far as Gen 1 is concerned. It ends a wild Pokemon battle. It's clear Gamefreak was aware of the special exception case for Ghost Marowak because you can't catch it. There are a lot of other things that aren't intentional either, like Pokemon that evolve by stones can evolve if that Pokemon levels up, and another Pokemon levels up and learns a move that has a corresponding index number with the item index that would allow it to evolve. Then you have Gen 2 where, the item ID for moon stones from Gen 1 was used for the Moon Ball, but when they changed item indexes, the Gen 2 slot became Burn Heal so Moon Balls better catch Pokemon that evolve with Burn Heal... Not a glitch, just a hilarious oversight. Meanwhile, I'd argue a glitch ends up causing the game to perform unintentional behaviors that the people coding the game didn't anticipate and may not have even known about. I'd be surprised if the team knew about the Badge Boost glitch. They apparently didn't know about the select being able to swap your Pokemon and items in Red and Green but it was patched out of Blue and Yellow. The Fly/Teleport/Dig/Escape Rope work as intended, but, when a trainer battle is initiated and the game simultaneously registers you as being in a battle but also using whatever your method was of escaping, it puts you in a glitched state that leads to other glitched outcomes. As far as Gen 1 goes, I'd argue Mew was a secret (I heard rumors that Mew was snuck in at the last minute, but I don't know why they'd name #150 Mewtwo (it's also Mewtwo in Japanese) without Mew existing, considering all of the other Pokemon that didn't make it off the cutting room floor for gen 1). The Pokedoll is an oversight, they thought about Pokeballs, but didn't think about Pokedolls. And the stuff that happens after intentional behavior and the game trying to make sense of it afterwards is a glitch. Using the pokedoll on Marowak doesn't lead to the game going into a glitched state to my knowledge, it just treats the battle as ending and you get the text that happens as if you made the ghost Marowak faint anyways. That's why I don't call it a glitch, it's an oversight. Using the Pokedoll doesn't lead to any unusual behavior. If using the Pokedoll made your character temporarily able to walk through solid objects or something; I would agree it's a glitch. Clearly when you're walking around the overworld you're meant to be able to open the menu and talk to NPCs, but you're in a glitched state, so you can't. Clearly you're meant to be able to use a Pokedoll to exit battles, and that's all it's doing during the Marowak fight. That's just my final thoughts.
well played! Also, (for fear of spoiling the result), VERY interesting result -- defintely different then previous races. Definately looking forward to seeing what happens moving forward.
**Mellow uses rare candies on Blane** Ah, crap. And here I was betting on a MewBlue win on the sheer basis of Mellow being too stubborn to use Rare Candies.
@RBYPokemonChallenges ha yeah it was a LOT closer than i expected! i think if blue had eaten more candy at the start of the league itd have been less close tho
@@Cyber_Cheese Yeah, that is a fact. As mentioned, this was my third attempt in Yellow and only my first in Red/Blue, so even without optimizations Blue kept it really competitve
Lol, that would be terrible, because we have to catch 50 Pokemon. Yeah, I didn't realize that gap was there. I was going through all of the cuts and transitions last night too. Only think I can think is something odd happened in the editor. I had this in to the right of the Rhydon/Chansey race so I could copy templates, but then deleted that section just before th render. And since this is a pretty massive 5 hour render on my current machine and the whole thing chugs while editing, I didn't catch it there.
Man im so glad blue still won despite a reset when you used blizzard 😂. I know its easy for me to sit here and criticize but i cringe anytime someone (Scotts thoughts does it a ton) uses a risky move when a weaker 100% accurate move would be enough. Great video
For sure. As mentioned, that was an outright mistake, which I recognized immediately when it happened live (this why it was in the live commentary). I got it on the next attempt easily, and likely should have just gone two Ice Beams there instead (I still went Blizzard because it's 90% accurate and I knew a Critical Hit would OHKO. I never use damage calculators, so it's very possible that Ice Beam would also OHKO with the crit, but I wasn't considering that in the moment).
@RBYPokemonChallenges oh absolutely, sorry poor wording...i totally know it was just a mis-click and not intentional. Was meaning to just speak generally.
I actually didn't even consider doing this on Red and Blue. There's probably a few more Pokemon who can find ways to cheese right past the bad AI, I imagine.
Psychic against Rival 5 Magneton in Yellow would have been a guaranteed 3HKO as opposed to Blizzard which required the crit. It's slightly stronger at 135 BP as opposed to 120 from Blizzard
Do you have a mod to skip wild encounters? I know you can edit those out, so I wanted to ask. I'm pretty sure Diglett Cave would be terrible because repels wouldn't work due to your low level and running would be hard because of Diglett's speed. (If you did, it probably helped reduce RNG differences between the 2 games, making the comparison more accurate)
So I just do these runs with wild encounters off by using Gamehook for the sake of comparison, because that adds too much randomness to minimum battles runs. That being said, there is a simple solution. GIft Eevee in Celadon would let us repel wild encounters other than Dugtrio, greatly reducing the number of the encounters with repels. and if you get a Dugtrio, especially a Level 31 one, then catch it and basically use it to avoid/escape further encounters
Wow,that super minimum battles route was really interesting, maybe it takes a few more setup to make possible,but it was really interesting to see how that route diverge from a standard minimum battles run . That goes to show how amazing Mewtwo's stats are. 😊 Im not sure if onter pokemons can follow Mewtwo's footsteps though.. maybe Hypno can do it with the help of some tms 🤔. Maybe you should make a new tier list for this new route.😂
I don't think the Pokedoll Ghost Marowak skip is a glitch. It doesn't fit most definitions of a glitch. It's an item working exactly as intended, letting you escape from a battle. Programming oversight, maybe, but not a glitch.
This is such a long-time debate. I mean, every glitch is a programming oversight in some way. By the same logic, badge boosting isn't a glitch, because it's working exactly as they programmed it.
Hey dude im stuck in my old ways, ive been playing gen 1 and 2 since they were released with exceptions to gen 3 titles when they were released mostly fire red. Do you think there is any hope for a gen 1er like me me getting into scarlet and violet? There must be over a thousand pokemon now... What i think would be the most ideal scenario is that pokemon release an old style game with old style graphics on mobile, it would be the biggest most popular pokemon game ever released. Anyway back to the question, any hope for me getting into scarlet and violet?
I have honestly been so focused on the channel and work that I have yet to play SV. I hope to have time someday, but for low this is where it's at for me 😂
@RBYPokemonChallenges im a big fan of your channel, dont ever change! To make matters worse i just bought a copy of pocket monsters green haha i will be playing that through next. To me though, pokemon yellow version is the best gen 1 game and crystal is the best gen 2 game. The only reason i say crystal is the best gen 2 game is because of the moving sprites and the ability to buy thunderbolt, ice beam and flamethrower. I usually teach a pokemon the best moves in crystal then send them to yellow version to train to 100 haha P.s. pokemon yellow has amazing sprites combined with gen 1 mechanics makes for the greatest game of all time 🐐 😏
Every time I see the gym leader intro you have for Blaine I'm left wondering why the anime took away his mustache. He looks like a completely different character without it!
Interesting concept, but I can’t really take a glitchless run seriously that includes pokedoll skip. It’s a shame the speedrunning community has somehow made this standardized, though thankfully a lot of popular poketubers are now realizing that skipping a big chunk of the game is obviously a glitch.
I 100% agree with this, which is why it is generally banned in all my runs. I include it here only because 1) it is included in Bulbapedia's list of sequence breaks and 2) it is so widely accepted (even Scott allows it in his speed challenges and 3) it reduces battles further removes a Rare Candy and a PPUp, thereby upping the challenge a bit. I think 2 Rare Candies which this root removes affected the final battle because Level 53 is a damage rounding threshold
Wait wait wait. Badge boost glitch DIDNT activate AFTER the leer from Flareon for special. Is the glitch fixed for Yellow? Leveling up does reset the boosts, but there was NO crits, and Mewtwo was faster, so that 2nd Psychic should have been a GUARANTEED kill in the rival fight before E4.
Haven't watched the video yet, just the first two minutes, but trying to predict what the way to reduce battles will be, at first I expected glitches but you said glitchless so my next guess is maybe with traded pokemon? Usually these runs don't use any outside game but that would be a way to reduce battle count without glitches! getting cut early means you can skip the entire nugget bridge section, the boat and going to vermillion altogether (until you need the badge but then you can take another path without battles). Though it still doesn't account for the number of battle you say you're going to skip so maybe it's not that or maybe it's that as well as an additional idea I'm not thinking of. If I'm totally off though I actually think it'd be interesting to have some challenge runs that take into account how you could make the game harder in a legal way through trading.that's pretty unexplored outside of straight up softlocks.
OMG you can transfer items from pokemon stadium?! I did not know that! Cutting the entirety of rock tunnel is huge! I guess combined with the fact you're allowing the pokedoll glitch (seems a bit glitchy to me but ok xD) that accounts for most of the battle skipped now, pretty cool
Yeah, I allowed Pokedoll glitch in this case because speedrunners claim it's not a glitch. I don't really agree either, but it is as simple as an item, so I allowed it. I think the lack of the Game Corner Rare Candy had a big effect on the end
@@RBYPokemonChallenges It's definitely a glitch lol but then again it's gen 1 you can only do "glitch less" and not "glitchless" =p so at some point you have to pick and chose what arbitrary glitch are ok or not
I can see the argument for the pokedoll skip not being a glitch. It's working as it's supposed to, Game Freak just forgot to put in a check for that battle for it to Not work. So oversight, not a glitch lol.
@@mistahl5350 Nah cause you can run away from this battle (in fact you're forced to if you can't identify ghosts) and it doesn't let you skip it. The glitchy behaviour is that it counts as a win instead of fleeing. Also glitches are oversight lol, missingno glitch is mostly due to an oversight of a flag in the game not being updated properly (combined with the fact cinnabar shore tiles actually act like the last grass encounter you had if I recall correctly). Something being a glitch or not is very arbitrary and there is no objective way to decide, it's on a "I know it when I see it" kind of basis, but generally sequence breaks based on unintended behaviours from the game tend to be unambiguously classified as glitches in about every game xD
Agree on that. I always mention in normal runs that the bill section and Mt. Moon give so many levels that even on minimum battles we can outlevel everything and easily win. It's usually not until Koga in Yellow that the game level curve catches up. And if you play like I did as a kid and fight every trainer, say goodbye to any semblance of challenge 😂
not immediately using all of your rare candies in blue at the beginning of the elite 4 feels like a pretty big blunder in a race like this. even tho it didn't change the outcome.
Like I mentioned, this was my first run in Blue on these settings, so I didn't know if I would need them later or not. In hindsight, slamming them makes sense
The range on the Sandslash required Blizzard and Blizzard, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, and Psychic remain useful for the rest of the run. Swift is only really useful for Sabrina, but not necessary to win.
For sure. There is an entire Bulbapedia article on sequence breaks. I tried to only use the ones that are "accepted" as non-glitches (though I still think Pokedoll is a glitch)
@@RBYPokemonChallenges poke doll thing is definitely a glitch, but seems to be sort of shuffled aside/accepted like the badge boost glitch is, though more for saving tons of time for the poke doll since you don't have to do the rocket hideout if you use that glitch
It could be the Mandela effect! So if you've ever used Charizard or your rival used Charizard, you might be remembering the super effective message because it's part Flying.
Pokemon Stadium 2 section was a subtle shout-out to Channel Member @andrewpalmer, using an old run for the save lol😂
Teaching Blizzard over Swift in yellow probably should be delayed until after Sabrina, since the physical move destroys her team.
Yeah and removes her accuracy shenanigans too
I agree. The reason for losing Swift was because Blizzard is needed to get the ranges I need on Rival 5. Without it, that fight is MUCH worse. It's a tradeoff though for sure
So, the whole thing about using pokedoll on the ghost has an actual answer to if it's a glitch or not. It's not a glitch, it's not caused by any coding error, rather it's an oversight with the pokedoll being considered a different end-state for a battle than running normally. This means it's an exploit.
That said, please keep it the standard for minimum battles not to use it. The rocket game corner is a really important test for some pokemon and makes the runs so much more interesting overall.
I agree with keeping it out of my standard minimum battles route. This seemed like a case to use it because it fits the theme of sequence breaks.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges I just wanted to clear up the misconception about it since it really bugs me when people say that it shouldn't be allowed in the "no major glitches" speedruns of the Gen 1 pokemon games. It's also one set of rules for one category, using it for something that isn't in the category is ridiculous. You don't want to sequence break because it messes with the intended balance of the game, that's all the justification you need for it.
^w^
Also, feel free to use the explanation I gave here if you ever need to talk about it in a video again.
I have more of annissue with the bike guy being included in the speedrun category; that's obviously a glitch.
"Sand Attack is fine" -famous last words
I've been playing too much Crystal, where accuracy strats were nerfed 😂
Mellow had that unfair shorter name advantage, fix.
Awe yeah, the shorter name for the win
This was one of your coolest videos yet, well done. I don’t think many Pokémon’s will be able to complete this with even a decent score
I mean, both runs were S-Tier. I'm planning a follow-up with Gyarados and Cloyster in Red/Blue, which I think will be really interesting
I think there would be a choke point for a lot of Pokémon that they have to be able to beat Misty without using the Pokémon centre in Cerulean, that seems like it could be difficult?
@@RBYPokemonChallengesI think Gyarados is much better in Yellow then R/B. You might want to use that version instead for a more competitive race
The pokedoll skip may also make sense as an intended trick, a ghost is blocking your way and you distract it with a pokedoll so you can pass
Lol, sounds legit
Luck had such an impact on the ending there. Your luck in Yellow looked like MY luck.
Luck is definitely a factor, but it also is about the fact that on Yellow we need Rare Candies o Blaine to make that fight consistent. If he were easier like Blue version Blaine, we would have gotten a higher level at the end and likely done better
I wouldn't say the Pokedoll oversight is a glitch. It's an oversight. It's clear that the intent wasn't to allow you to skip Marowak by using a Pokedoll, but they forgot to code an exception for that battle. It's like how being able to dig out of some places in Blue where they forgot to tag them as not being able to dig out of, but they did fix a lot of them in Yellow. Not a glitch, just, they clearly didn't intend for you to do that based on how you can only do those things in the oldest releases. A glitch typically happens when you have an unintended outcome from something that the game is trying to make sense of. A pokedoll ends a battle. That's all it does. It's working as intended, it's just for story purposes, it shouldn't work, and that's why they fixed it in Fire Red/Leaf Green and Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee. A glitch would be like Missingno. Not an intentional thing that they programmed in the game, or the "Mew glitch" or various other things that another UA-camr uses in a video series calling them "secrets" and an actual secret would be something the devs intended but hid well. I highly doubt anyone working on Red and Green and Blue and Yellow was like "alright, we're going to make it so you can open the menu when a trainer from a long distance spots you, then you can teleport away, get into a battle, and encounter a Mew, but if you use Growl several times it can be level 1 Pokemon that you encounter that can have underflowed experience and when the game tries to correct this, it becomes level 100. BRILLIANT!"...
I can certainly understand where you're coming from. However, I would argue that in these cases the Trainer Fly is therefore an exploit and not a glitch. it was simply ab oversight of the developers to consider that pressing start to open the menu and fly/dig/escape rope is working exactly as intended, and it was simply an oversight to not make that work when a trainer spotted you and an oversight not to code an exception for th case of ending a battle when a player escapes in view of a trainer. Same for Badge Boost glitch, it was a mistake in the core that was implemented, but we aren't altering the game and overwriting data somewhere, were simply exploiting an oversight from the devs.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges
I'd say glitches can be oversights but not all oversights are glitches. The pokedoll is working as intended as far as Gen 1 is concerned. It ends a wild Pokemon battle. It's clear Gamefreak was aware of the special exception case for Ghost Marowak because you can't catch it. There are a lot of other things that aren't intentional either, like Pokemon that evolve by stones can evolve if that Pokemon levels up, and another Pokemon levels up and learns a move that has a corresponding index number with the item index that would allow it to evolve. Then you have Gen 2 where, the item ID for moon stones from Gen 1 was used for the Moon Ball, but when they changed item indexes, the Gen 2 slot became Burn Heal so Moon Balls better catch Pokemon that evolve with Burn Heal... Not a glitch, just a hilarious oversight.
Meanwhile, I'd argue a glitch ends up causing the game to perform unintentional behaviors that the people coding the game didn't anticipate and may not have even known about. I'd be surprised if the team knew about the Badge Boost glitch. They apparently didn't know about the select being able to swap your Pokemon and items in Red and Green but it was patched out of Blue and Yellow. The Fly/Teleport/Dig/Escape Rope work as intended, but, when a trainer battle is initiated and the game simultaneously registers you as being in a battle but also using whatever your method was of escaping, it puts you in a glitched state that leads to other glitched outcomes.
As far as Gen 1 goes, I'd argue Mew was a secret (I heard rumors that Mew was snuck in at the last minute, but I don't know why they'd name #150 Mewtwo (it's also Mewtwo in Japanese) without Mew existing, considering all of the other Pokemon that didn't make it off the cutting room floor for gen 1). The Pokedoll is an oversight, they thought about Pokeballs, but didn't think about Pokedolls. And the stuff that happens after intentional behavior and the game trying to make sense of it afterwards is a glitch. Using the pokedoll on Marowak doesn't lead to the game going into a glitched state to my knowledge, it just treats the battle as ending and you get the text that happens as if you made the ghost Marowak faint anyways. That's why I don't call it a glitch, it's an oversight. Using the Pokedoll doesn't lead to any unusual behavior. If using the Pokedoll made your character temporarily able to walk through solid objects or something; I would agree it's a glitch. Clearly when you're walking around the overworld you're meant to be able to open the menu and talk to NPCs, but you're in a glitched state, so you can't. Clearly you're meant to be able to use a Pokedoll to exit battles, and that's all it's doing during the Marowak fight. That's just my final thoughts.
17:14 is what happened in my brain when the first two champion battles happened
Yeah, I put in the edit on UA-cam Studio. It should fix in a few hours I will redo the render when I get home from work in about 8 hours 😂
well played! Also, (for fear of spoiling the result), VERY interesting result -- defintely different then previous races. Definately looking forward to seeing what happens moving forward.
This one was incredibly close!
**Mellow uses rare candies on Blane**
Ah, crap. And here I was betting on a MewBlue win on the sheer basis of Mellow being too stubborn to use Rare Candies.
Third attempt with Mewtwo in Yellow... I learned... slowly, but I learned 😂
Red/blue has an easier endgame than yellow, and that'll be where the lost exp matters most.. so red/blue easier for sure
Fair assessment. I have a plan in Yellow though 😂
@RBYPokemonChallenges ha yeah it was a LOT closer than i expected! i think if blue had eaten more candy at the start of the league itd have been less close tho
@@Cyber_Cheese Yeah, that is a fact. As mentioned, this was my third attempt in Yellow and only my first in Red/Blue, so even without optimizations Blue kept it really competitve
You could probably further lower your total exp by making a beeline to the EXP All and having a full team of 6
Also what happened at 17:14
Lol, that would be terrible, because we have to catch 50 Pokemon.
Yeah, I didn't realize that gap was there. I was going through all of the cuts and transitions last night too. Only think I can think is something odd happened in the editor. I had this in to the right of the Rhydon/Chansey race so I could copy templates, but then deleted that section just before th render. And since this is a pretty massive 5 hour render on my current machine and the whole thing chugs while editing, I didn't catch it there.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges can you not trade over the exp all like you did the fresh water?
Catching 50 pokemon would require another 40+ battles.
@@TheMoogleKing93 RBYPC only counts battles that gain exp
@@ironleegaming8227I don’t think it allows you to transfer Key Items
If you dont mind me asking, why does the blue footage use GSC color palletes? Is that a result of the way you are playing it?
I am using a recolor patch, but it is only available for Red/blue, not Yellow
@@RBYPokemonChallenges it looks great! Hopefully yellow sees one in the future
Man im so glad blue still won despite a reset when you used blizzard 😂. I know its easy for me to sit here and criticize but i cringe anytime someone (Scotts thoughts does it a ton) uses a risky move when a weaker 100% accurate move would be enough. Great video
For sure. As mentioned, that was an outright mistake, which I recognized immediately when it happened live (this why it was in the live commentary). I got it on the next attempt easily, and likely should have just gone two Ice Beams there instead (I still went Blizzard because it's 90% accurate and I knew a Critical Hit would OHKO. I never use damage calculators, so it's very possible that Ice Beam would also OHKO with the crit, but I wasn't considering that in the moment).
@RBYPokemonChallenges oh absolutely, sorry poor wording...i totally know it was just a mis-click and not intentional. Was meaning to just speak generally.
@@raptors11111 Oh, there's no worries! I just agree with you 💯
I actually didn't even consider doing this on Red and Blue. There's probably a few more Pokemon who can find ways to cheese right past the bad AI, I imagine.
Yeah, I want to do the race in Red/Blue with some Pokemon, and it is just different enough that I figured we should validate the route in both
The winner wasn't a surprise that is for sure.
Psychic against Rival 5 Magneton in Yellow would have been a guaranteed 3HKO as opposed to Blizzard which required the crit. It's slightly stronger at 135 BP as opposed to 120 from Blizzard
Yeah, misplay there. I was also kind of hoping for a freeze 😂
Please explain the 135bp? I dont understand
@@pasky125 90 +50%/x1,5 (stame type attack bonus) = 135
Meanwhile It takes me 100+ battles just to level up one Pokémon
Level curves in newer games are ridiculous 😂
my latest obession with minimum batlles in pokemon is completely satisfied with this video
We are going mkr minimum 😂
Haven't finished the video yet, but when prompted, I bet on MewBlue, expecting a twist to put it on top
Could be....
Love how all the various stats are laid out over both sides!
Yeah, Scott helped me get set up initially, and I h n I just added and customized from there
What do these Mewtwos know?
Do they know things?
Let’s find out!
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Don't think I've ever been called Mr. Teo-butter 😆
Have you ever considered making Prof. Oak the actual final, ultimate battle?
Yeah, but it wasn't in the vanilla game without glitches.
Before watching prediction is Red and Blue is faster due to Mewtwo being strong enough to handle early game and Yellow having the tougher late game.
Fair assessment
Do you have a mod to skip wild encounters?
I know you can edit those out, so I wanted to ask.
I'm pretty sure Diglett Cave would be terrible because repels wouldn't work due to your low level and running would be hard because of Diglett's speed.
(If you did, it probably helped reduce RNG differences between the 2 games, making the comparison more accurate)
So I just do these runs with wild encounters off by using Gamehook for the sake of comparison, because that adds too much randomness to minimum battles runs.
That being said, there is a simple solution. GIft Eevee in Celadon would let us repel wild encounters other than Dugtrio, greatly reducing the number of the encounters with repels. and if you get a Dugtrio, especially a Level 31 one, then catch it and basically use it to avoid/escape further encounters
Wow,that super minimum battles route was really interesting, maybe it takes a few more setup to make possible,but it was really interesting to see how that route diverge from a standard minimum battles run . That goes to show how amazing Mewtwo's stats are. 😊 Im not sure if onter pokemons can follow Mewtwo's footsteps though.. maybe Hypno can do it with the help of some tms 🤔. Maybe you should make a new tier list for this new route.😂
I think TMs are mandatory on this route, but as long as it can be done without broken TMs I'm happy 😂
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Yeah,this route is really difficult to stick with, without tms ,even with thier help it's really challenging.🤣
I don't think the Pokedoll Ghost Marowak skip is a glitch. It doesn't fit most definitions of a glitch.
It's an item working exactly as intended, letting you escape from a battle. Programming oversight, maybe, but not a glitch.
This is such a long-time debate. I mean, every glitch is a programming oversight in some way. By the same logic, badge boosting isn't a glitch, because it's working exactly as they programmed it.
@@RBYPokemonChallengesThey didn't intend for it to be reapplied every time your stats are modified.
You should use that Gen 2 patch from now on. It looks so good
For sure. As far as I know, it only exists for Red/Blue (yellow gets no love)
Hey dude im stuck in my old ways, ive been playing gen 1 and 2 since they were released with exceptions to gen 3 titles when they were released mostly fire red.
Do you think there is any hope for a gen 1er like me me getting into scarlet and violet? There must be over a thousand pokemon now...
What i think would be the most ideal scenario is that pokemon release an old style game with old style graphics on mobile, it would be the biggest most popular pokemon game ever released.
Anyway back to the question, any hope for me getting into scarlet and violet?
I have honestly been so focused on the channel and work that I have yet to play SV. I hope to have time someday, but for low this is where it's at for me 😂
@RBYPokemonChallenges im a big fan of your channel, dont ever change!
To make matters worse i just bought a copy of pocket monsters green haha i will be playing that through next.
To me though, pokemon yellow version is the best gen 1 game and crystal is the best gen 2 game. The only reason i say crystal is the best gen 2 game is because of the moving sprites and the ability to buy thunderbolt, ice beam and flamethrower.
I usually teach a pokemon the best moves in crystal then send them to yellow version to train to 100 haha
P.s. pokemon yellow has amazing sprites combined with gen 1 mechanics makes for the greatest game of all time 🐐 😏
Every time I see the gym leader intro you have for Blaine I'm left wondering why the anime took away his mustache. He looks like a completely different character without it!
Yeah, he is literally 2 different characters
Ayo it'll be fire to see some PokeMMO contents from you too!
Never tried PokeMMO. Maybe someday
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Looking forward to it!
Super underrated channel! Hope to see you hit your 10k, 100k and 1mil soon!
Someday maybe 😂.. Right now, I'm focused on getting to 6969
@@RBYPokemonChallenges NOICE
Very cool run. Nice to see the thought process. Gen 1 Mewtwo is so good 😂
Way too strong 😆
Interesting concept, but I can’t really take a glitchless run seriously that includes pokedoll skip. It’s a shame the speedrunning community has somehow made this standardized, though thankfully a lot of popular poketubers are now realizing that skipping a big chunk of the game is obviously a glitch.
I 100% agree with this, which is why it is generally banned in all my runs. I include it here only because 1) it is included in Bulbapedia's list of sequence breaks and 2) it is so widely accepted (even Scott allows it in his speed challenges and 3) it reduces battles further removes a Rare Candy and a PPUp, thereby upping the challenge a bit. I think 2 Rare Candies which this root removes affected the final battle because Level 53 is a damage rounding threshold
That Blizzard at the end was, painful to witness and it only sank in after it happened
Didn't mean too much but ow
Yeah, I should have just Ice Beamed and called it good.
In your animations for the champion, what show are the clips from?
Pokemon Indigo League, and some from later
Why does Pokemon blue look so good?
Using the Gen 2 color mod patch on my Blue Roms
@@RBYPokemonChallengesi was about to comment why it looks like gold and sliver
That's exactly it. I think it makes the game look much better. Shout out to Gym Leader Matt who uses the same thing and inspired me
42:51 when did dragonite look like that
He didn't, but I think that design looks cooler 😂
Probably Red/Blue since Yellow is the HARDER Gen 1 game of the 3.
I guessed red blue, just because of the nasty Magneton + cloyster combo
Both very reasonable assessments
Wait wait wait. Badge boost glitch DIDNT activate AFTER the leer from Flareon for special. Is the glitch fixed for Yellow? Leveling up does reset the boosts, but there was NO crits, and Mewtwo was faster, so that 2nd Psychic should have been a GUARANTEED kill in the rival fight before E4.
Also, I knew Red/Blue would be faster since Jrose literally did this over a year ago without the skips and got UNDER 2 hours in-game time.
No BBG is not changed
Haven't watched the video yet, just the first two minutes, but trying to predict what the way to reduce battles will be, at first I expected glitches but you said glitchless so my next guess is maybe with traded pokemon?
Usually these runs don't use any outside game but that would be a way to reduce battle count without glitches! getting cut early means you can skip the entire nugget bridge section, the boat and going to vermillion altogether (until you need the badge but then you can take another path without battles). Though it still doesn't account for the number of battle you say you're going to skip so maybe it's not that or maybe it's that as well as an additional idea I'm not thinking of.
If I'm totally off though I actually think it'd be interesting to have some challenge runs that take into account how you could make the game harder in a legal way through trading.that's pretty unexplored outside of straight up softlocks.
OMG you can transfer items from pokemon stadium?! I did not know that! Cutting the entirety of rock tunnel is huge!
I guess combined with the fact you're allowing the pokedoll glitch (seems a bit glitchy to me but ok xD) that accounts for most of the battle skipped now, pretty cool
Yeah, I allowed Pokedoll glitch in this case because speedrunners claim it's not a glitch. I don't really agree either, but it is as simple as an item, so I allowed it. I think the lack of the Game Corner Rare Candy had a big effect on the end
@@RBYPokemonChallenges It's definitely a glitch lol
but then again it's gen 1 you can only do "glitch less" and not "glitchless" =p so at some point you have to pick and chose what arbitrary glitch are ok or not
I can see the argument for the pokedoll skip not being a glitch. It's working as it's supposed to, Game Freak just forgot to put in a check for that battle for it to Not work. So oversight, not a glitch lol.
@@mistahl5350 Nah cause you can run away from this battle (in fact you're forced to if you can't identify ghosts) and it doesn't let you skip it. The glitchy behaviour is that it counts as a win instead of fleeing.
Also glitches are oversight lol, missingno glitch is mostly due to an oversight of a flag in the game not being updated properly (combined with the fact cinnabar shore tiles actually act like the last grass encounter you had if I recall correctly).
Something being a glitch or not is very arbitrary and there is no objective way to decide, it's on a "I know it when I see it" kind of basis, but generally sequence breaks based on unintended behaviours from the game tend to be unambiguously classified as glitches in about every game xD
I love this strategy! So cool!
it's definitely fun to limit battles as much as possible
Got a little mad at you over that blizzard at the end. I'm glad it didn't make a real difference lol.
For sure. Mistakes and lucky spots are in every run, but I get it!
I'm gonna bet Mewblue will win
Under the same rules you could have sent over a ton of Rare Candies and gone even faster!
Now that would have been too broken 😂
I dont really understand why they deleted the azuria break but not the ss anne break in firered
The boat was way more interesting than bill
Agree on that. I always mention in normal runs that the bill section and Mt. Moon give so many levels that even on minimum battles we can outlevel everything and easily win. It's usually not until Koga in Yellow that the game level curve catches up. And if you play like I did as a kid and fight every trainer, say goodbye to any semblance of challenge 😂
i wonder if mewtwo is the best for this? or is a weaker pokemon in a better experience group better? im hoping mewtwo
This was mostly just about validating the route. Already recorded the next two Pokemon for this
yayyy he put it up today
I have mixed feelings about trading and/or transferring items in a challenge run.
I feel you, I only do it in the name of upping the challenge further by eliminating battles to make the game even harder.
Since when does red/blue have so much color? I grew up playing red and blue on an atomic purple gbc and my games never had that much color
I am using a recolor ROM patch
Anyone else have a bit of blank around 17:12?
Working on the fix right now. Hold tight!
not immediately using all of your rare candies in blue at the beginning of the elite 4 feels like a pretty big blunder in a race like this.
even tho it didn't change the outcome.
Like I mentioned, this was my first run in Blue on these settings, so I didn't know if I would need them later or not. In hindsight, slamming them makes sense
How are toxic and mimic broken??
Watch the Level 5 Arcanine video....
Go MewBlue!
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Denis! 🔥
Was 17:12 intentional?
Nope, I missed that one. Random gap where there shouldn't have been one. I will fix and re-up
I was just coming to ask but looks like you beat me to it
@@BobtheExilewas gonna do the same thing however I was driving at the time
Why you get rid of swift
The range on the Sandslash required Blizzard and Blizzard, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, and Psychic remain useful for the rest of the run. Swift is only really useful for Sabrina, but not necessary to win.
He speeding
Hope Officer Jenny doesn't catch m in Vermillion
wow, very interesting to see you can cut out many battles by using tricks like these
For sure. There is an entire Bulbapedia article on sequence breaks. I tried to only use the ones that are "accepted" as non-glitches (though I still think Pokedoll is a glitch)
@@RBYPokemonChallenges poke doll thing is definitely a glitch, but seems to be sort of shuffled aside/accepted like the badge boost glitch is, though more for saving tons of time for the poke doll since you don't have to do the rocket hideout if you use that glitch
Where did Bruno go 😳🤔
does he even exist?
3:41 mewblue prob wins imo
I am going to venture a wild guess that you are 100% coreect
mist xD thats german for animal droppings xD
Lol, 🤣
34:29 to 34:35 Speaking of optimizations.....
I bet that ledge costed you a minute.
I am so bad at speed running, ledges destroy me 😂
Team Mellow. Lol
Mellow
mellow
Mewblue
47:00 omg 🙈
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Why didn't you use ice beam on Blane. In Gen 1 only I am pretty sure Ice is strong against fire
It's not strong, just normally effective. That being said, it is possible to freeze.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges I wonder if its one of those Mandela effects because I remember using ice beam on Blane as a kid and seeing super effective
@@xRussianbishop Could be. It definitely isn't super effective, but it isn't resisted like in later Gens
It could be the Mandela effect! So if you've ever used Charizard or your rival used Charizard, you might be remembering the super effective message because it's part Flying.
@@El.Bewear This is very possible
My vote is for Mellow