First test of H1000 in the 6.5 PRC
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Today will be the first test of H1000 in the 6.5 PRC. Others have had decent results with this powder, will we? So far the Hornady H1000 seemed to meter nicely, so perhaps we'll have more consistency.
Halfmilesniper Merch can be found at: halfmilesniper...
For my 6.5 PRC have been using H1000 for Nosler Accubond and Partition 140 grain bullets. Consistent accurate submoa groups at 100 yards. Up to 2950-2970 fps for velocities. I think you will like it. Going to be testing H1000 with the Nosler 142 grain Accubond LR next. Can't wait.
Even though my speeds are a little slow I am liking this powder already...5 loads at .5 gr increments and 4 of them are .6 or smaller. Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it.
@Halfmilesniper your very welcome. Look forward to more. Btw...when I would test my upper near max charges of H1000 for my rifle, the velocities and accuracy would really do well. Hopefully yours will too. My loads are setup for big game hunting too.
@@davidmartin7479 it'll be interesting to see what the velocities, ES and SD do as I increase the charges. Hope mine even out a bit.
VVN565 power is a good one. I shoot and reload for 6.5prc as well as a 6.5 saum. I can get well over 2900 with a 147eldm and low es/sd.
@@dennissheehan7930 N is another powder that is near impossible to find. I am always on the look out for it...spent a couple hours scouring the internet for this weekend.
Sorry I was late, but I've gotta say, I'm impressed with these loads. It'll be interesting to watch this as the loads increase and the accuracy stabilizes.
Thank you so much for your efforts to expand our knowledge on development of new data in shooting ballistics!!! Where would we be without you “wildcatters “?!?! Very interesting even to us novice guys!!!! Keep on keeping em coming!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
This one isn't quite wildcatting but I have definitely been trying powders not intended for this cartridge. A least I know I can get a couple loads from less used powder...but I am still trying to get the perfect load for distance. I really do appreciate you watching, Thanks!
👍👍 Thanks for all the test Halfmile.
Glad to do it, I really appreciate you watching.
Excellent channel. Congrats for picking up hard subjects and do these awesome videos! Hornady is recommending 3 powders for their 6.5 PRC caliber; H1000, US869 and Retumbo. May I suggest a video testing all these 3 powders and decide on a winner? :-)
I have done videos testing H1000 and US869 but I have been unable to find or get a hold of any Retumbo...yet. I am always looking for some. Last year I found some powder that wasn't available locally while I was in Mississippio and it is almost time to go the Mississippi again. I will be looking.
Very good start. Very interesting velocities. I don't know that I have experienced this with any powder.
Thank you.
I have had powders where the velocities fluctuated up/down as the charges went up, happened with some pistol loads and 350 Legend but this is the first High Power rifle that has done this for me. It will be interesting to see what happens when we up the charge a little closer to max.
@@Halfmilesniper H1000 has always steadily climbed 15-50 fps with 0.3 or 0.5 grains increment increases to the best of my knowledge in my 7mm mags. Of course there are occasional "flat spots". I typically use 3 shot groups for load development but occasionally 5. Thank you for data.
@@Halfmilesniper Now that I think about it, I did have a load development with with IMR7828 that didn't increase significantly in 4 strings at 0.3 grain increments. These were not near the max according to most manuals except Hornady. Groups were excellent and velocities fair.
Just made a load for 6.5 prc using 57gr H1000 and Hornady 140gr SST shoots sub moa and took it out to 850yards no problem!
Nice. Once I have a couple 3 different loads I am happy with I want to take them all out to 600 or more before stretching out to distance.
H1000 is my prefered magnum rifle powder. I use it in .28 Nosler and .300WM, and intend to try it in 6.5-300 Weatherby Mag when I can get a bit more. I'm trying US869 and Retumbo for now in the Weatherby rifle.
I had to go way over max load, into compressed loads to almost reach the target velocity with US869. It may work better in the 6.5-300 Weatherby...more case capacity I am guessing? Retumbo has been unobtainium for me.
Looking good. Will look really good when tested during hunting season this year. Or at the 1,000yd. range. 🎯
Or farther! Still trying to line up a spot to shoot out to a mile, that'll be cool.
12:15 the two sounds of freedom mixed together.. fighter jets and guns. GOD BLESS THE USA.
That is one neat thing about this range, being so close to the air base I get to watch fighter jet, big transports and fuelers all the time.
Just putting a 6.5 PRC together and found this channel. It's very interesting! Subbed and looking forward to more! I will do three shot groups for load development because of the limited barrel life. I have both of the 4831's and have H1000 and N570 on the way.
Nice. I have done mainly 3 shot groups for testing, with a few 5 shot groups here and there...for the same reason - due to limited barrel life. In my rifle IMR4831 worked better than H4831 but I still need to try H4831SC. H1000 is looking promising and I have some N565 coming. Also, Winchester StaBall HD is working well for me as well.
Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it.
Are you going to try N568? Getting all my powders and components together as well for a 6.5prc build/rifle purchase as well.
Those velocities should be up around 2,900. Don't be afraid to load long I found h1000 likes to be compressed just a smidge. I used a winchester magnum primer and got over 3000 with a 140gn otm. I do however hate hornady brass and smoked primer pockets in 3 loads.
I am already loaded kind of long, I am set 15 thou off the lands right now...I might try a little longer soon though, I was contemplating maybe 10 thou.
Consider picking up one of the garmin chronographs. Outstanding product and no issues compared to the shoot through designs. N565 has worked very well in my 6.5prc as well.
I need to find out if the Garmin works on the same principle as the Labradar...the Labradar doesn't work on this range due to the baffles, somehow they create false echos and the Labradar registers velocities even when no gun is fired. I did find some N565 this evening, have ordered it and can't wait for it to get here.
@@Halfmilesniper I don't think the garmin would have an issue. Mine has worked in similar locations. Good luck
@@lawsonhuntsSWVA interesting...hmmm, maybe I should look into one.
As always great analysis. I have went with a 260 Rem and an AI of it. I have my varmint load in the straight 260 is set with 105gr Blitzkings moly coated, .010 off the lands with 49gr of hunter, rem 9 1/2s, that is giving me 1.25 in groups at 200 yds. If i would set my flags up for wind could shrink those. 3131fps, es 24 sd 7. Will be working on another little warmer load with r17 and n550 just to see.
Thank you. I will be testing more H1000 soon and I should have some VV N565 in hand before too long now too!
You have me wanting a 6.5 PRC. I sure do like my 6.5 Creedmoor. Just a little more zip would be awesome!
I think we're fixing to get into some better velocities soon with this powder. This 6.5 PRC is so easy on the brass, never had a gun like that before.
H1000 is the sh*t, If you can come up with some 153.5 Bergers you'll be happy!
I have some 153 gr A Tips now, haven't tried them with this powder yet but will see if I can find any Bergers locally.
I have a Howa 1500 6.5 PRC. Bought a pound of H1000. So far, this gun has liked R22. We'll see......
Hey Loggy, LTNS. I'll have to look into some RL22...everyone else say RL25 and 26 are great in the 6.5, haven't seen anything about RL22. Neat, a new rabbit hole, lol!
H1000 been an underrated powder. Wait till people catch unto it that will fly off the shelf. Just a little hard to meter
It is a bit clunky to meter through the RCBS Uniflow, but then again all of the extruded stick powders are a bit clunky. I throw short and trickle up to my charge for as even as I can get charge to charge. Thanks for watching.
Very interesting results
Thanks for watching...I was surprised to get such consistent groups across the loadings myself. Hoping the consistency continues as we increase the charges.
@@Halfmilesniper I was surprised how good your groups were, but as you as you said in video that your speeds kept dropping. Are these compression loads yet ?
@@JeRKII These are not loaded high enough in the case to compress yet, we probably won't compress for a nother 2 grains or so I'd guess.
@@Halfmilesniper cool still just thoughts as to why your speeds weren't increasing
@@JeRKII someone welse has commented that they hit a few plateaus in velocity as well. Might be a powder specific thing, no idea why though.
two days on data with no wifi was a downer my modem started randomly working again appreciate the little things
Dang Joe...an issue with the cable company or a modem issue? Hopefully your wifi comes back soon.
Currently getting back into reloading. Just so happens, I have H1000 and 147 gr ELDX-M for a 6.5 PRC. Watching to see how your tests go.
Hopefully I can find another good shooting load, but remember what works in my rifle may not work in yours. Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it.
Cool. I was loading 6.5 PRC for the last year or so but couldn’t ever find H100. Some of my best loads were from a 30 year old can of IMR 4831 under a 139 gr scenar. N565 with 147 ELDMs wasn’t bad either. I got about 700 rounds through mine until I couldn’t get the groups I used to. I bore scoped it and looked like an alligator. It got ran pretty hard though in PRS matches.
IMR 4831 has run well for me too, still can't get my hands on any VV N565 though. I'll be looking down the bore again in another 25-30 rounds, not expecting any major changes yet. Gonna go on a fresh internet hunt for some N565.
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Thanks for watching WhoTee...can't wait to see some of your hand rolled creations.👍👍
I loaded up some this week 59 grain half inch group 2978fps
We'll see how thing are looking as I pass the book max load...we might make it to 59 gr.
Have you tried H4831SC. Also what is COAL? I need more time to test but so far have been pretty impressed with it.
My OAL is 2.995". I haven't tried H4831sc yet but I do have some on order.
The real test will be a 10 shot group. Under an inch, it’s a winner.
Interesting, the Hornady data says at 55gr with h1000, you should be in the 2900fps range. They dont say what barrel length they tested with.
I have found that almost every velocity reported in load data, regardless of whose data it is, tends to be somewhat optimistic. But, yes, these seem slower than expected...maybe we'll hit 2850is next test???
edit: IIRC someone stated before that the Hornady test barrel is a 26 inch barrel
Try H1000 charge 58.3 coal 2.975 with the 147 ELD’s
I think my next set stops at 57.6...I think. If all goes well there we will creep a little higher. My OAL is close to yours, I am at 2.99ish, that might get a little longer after I masure the distance to lands at the next clean.
Very interesting how the velocities go up and down as the powder charge increases? I have all the components except my bullet selection i n .264 bullets is for the 6.5 Grendel so I’m going to try to find some heavier bullets locally I hope? I can’t remember are you using mag primers or standard? I’m thinking
I am using mag primers on the slowest powders...this powder is currently being tested wth standard primers, but I may graduate to mag primers to even the burn. I can also pick up a litte velocity from the mag primers.
I'd stick with the 53.5 and try different OAL.the velocity was not that much difference to use a higher load
I cannot complain about the way 53.5 shot. I am seated at 15 thou off my lands, factory ammo had a giant jumo and shoots horribly. I can try working towards jam but don't want to chance the pressure spikes. I am coming up on my next bore clean and scoping, I will also check to see if I need to move the bullet to maintain 15 thou at the next clean. Once I check that I might could test some a 20 thou off, 15 thou off and 10 thou off.
Halfmile Help!! Is it the faster the bullet the faster the barrel burn out is? if that is true (which I don.t know it is) on the new 22 ARC would the barrel burn out real fast? Would that also hold true with the 22-250?
That is the basic idea Sindee, the faster the bullet the faster the barrel burns. .243 and .22-250 are both barrel burners as they run well over 3000 FPS.
The 6.5 PRC is supposed to be a barrel burner too, everything I've read claims about a 1500 round barrel life.
take it to 57
We are inching our way there. I just loaded up the next batch of ammo at .4 gr increments and have a load at 56.8 and 57.2 in the mix...I think I top out at 57.6 for the next batch.
Someone from garmin,labradar send him a chronograph
I would love one of the Garmin units...the Labradar does not work well on this range due to the baffles. We tried one before and we were getting weird velocity readings while not even firing a shot...we think it was echos off the baffles.
Have you tried any Ramshot Grand in 6.5 PRC?
No I haven't, in fact I've never seen that powder. Maybe I'll find some on my road trip coming up.
There is a good article in the 2024 Hodgdon reloading manual.
It’s a new for this year. Enjoy all your videos.
Get some TP don't get left out! If the government is telling people to stock up on stuff it may be wise to have a good supply of things.
I hadn't heard that at all Brad...well, at least other than from you. I'll have to take a look because as you said, if the gov't is telling folks to something is up.
@@Halfmilesniper The Sherriff from Texas that's the Head of the National Sherriff's Ass. said that we should have the basics and they weren't trying to start a panic but Texas was under "Cyber Attacks" from Russia, China and North Korea plus other threats in our country. One Sherriff claims a group of Chinese immigrants that lives near him has been target practicing/training a lot but nothing absolute yet just precautionary type stuff because he said theirs more red flags now than ever before, so. If the FBI and Homeland security are worried then, maybe we should start asking our local Sherriff's about some of these things. Like a readiness campaign of some sort. Don't panic this is just them telling people that cyber crime is up (not that we didn't know) so they want people to be ready in case we have anymore issues. DON'T PANIC ANYBODY. just get informed about what has been going on.
@@bradh74 I can tell you there has been a giant increase in the number of "military age" Chinese males presenting between the ports of entry claiming asylum...and the real problem is China doesn't accept very many back...probably because these seekers haven't completed their mission. I have always been less trystful of the folks from the PRC. We'd catch some then have to use an AT&T Interpreter to process...you'd ask a simple question, they would yak yak yak in Chinese for five minutes back and forth before the terp would say "yes" or "no". Never trusted that they weren't planning something.
It shoots velocities about equal to a 6.5 creedmoor.
Only at the starting load, we start getting some velocity as the charges increase...seems many miss the fact this was a first test at reduced powder charges. We are well over 2900 with a couple other powders now as well.
@@Halfmilesniper That makes sense. I did more research on the 6.5 creedmoor, and as usual, hornady is very "optimistic" on the velocities they print on the box. Hornady claims 2700fps for their precision hunter 143 eldx ammo for the creedmoor from a 24" barrel. But most creedmoors come with a 22" barrel. Most guys seem to be getting an average of 2550fps on the creedmoor with factory ammo! That changes the ballistics significantly. From that average, you are still getting 200fps more velocity from the PRC at 2700.
@@elkhuntr2816 the Hornady factory ammo match for the 6.5 PRC is advertised at 2910 or 2920 FPS...I barely saw 2800. I am now into charge weights of a different powder that have me well north of 2900...almost 2950 with the 147 ELDM
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Thanks a bunch JC
1st time here. What chronograph do you use?
I am currently using the Competition Electronics ChronoPro DLX. It does work well, and when I don't screw up the chrono talks to me through the phone app...My prior chrono was a Caldwell, which I shot...twice...on accident, but on camera.
I appreciate you watching, thanks!
Try some VT560.
I'm shooting 127 Barnes LRX in mine and I get sub 1/2" groups in my Weatherby Vanguard LR. Using 58 grains of H1000.
I have had some decent groups with the first batch of VV N565 I tried...haven't seen any N560. H1000 and H4831 have done well for my too. I haven't tried anything other than the 147 ELDM and some Barnes 130 gr TSX for hunting.
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Hey there Mr Pearson, glad to see you around!
finally lol the magic happens at 56.6gr muhahahahamuhhahah
We won't get to that charge this go but we are seeing something neat in this test...made me go Hmmmm.
@@Halfmilesniper I did too.right around 55.5 with a 140 sierra Tgk
Try a mag primer
If the next batch doesn't get up up the I will retest using mag primers to squeeze a little more speed
It look like you hit a flat spot I didn't care for the way the velocity flatten out I use H1000 but in a 300rum
The velocity did go flat for a couple three loads, hoping we can get to 2850 in the next try with H1000.
@Halfmilesniper I've had good luck getting higher velocity out of my 6.5cm with superformance.
I shoot 1/2 gr under max for 2935 fps with mag primer
.5 gr under max...according to which load data? Hodgdon says max is 56.5 while Sierra claims 57.4 is max...I want to find a 3rd data source to see what the spread is, lol.
@@Halfmilesniper horady
@@jimwilfong4384 I'll check the Hornady load data for another option.
I think we all would like for your set up to start tightening up. If your action isn't bedded that would be a good video and im sure your groups would tighten up. Ditch the table and go prone and get that target lower on the ground out of the wind just that very little movment adds up in the negetive. I understand you enjoy making these vids but if you want people to keep paying attention your gunna have to give us some content worth our time that we accually learn from. Learn the satterlli method get a garmin chrony or labradar. Just being honest. Good luck
The action is bolted to an aluminum chassis, not much in the way of bedding needed...two hard points of contact at the action...noting else touches. The target is limited to where it is by the ballistic wall...if I moved the absorbing blocks there is still a sheet of AR500 running across the range behind the blocks so not much can be done there. I have tried a Labradar on this range...that doesn't work here either due to the overhead baffles...we were getting constant false readings...getting velocities off the baffles even when no shooting was happening, I suspect we might get the same results with the Garmin. Those baffles and radar don't get along at all. Hopefully I can get out to a range soon that I can reach farther than 100 yards and get some distance between me and the target. I appreciate the feedback.
ua-cam.com/video/EAeCbtPtGek/v-deo.html@@Halfmilesniper
Look up reeseontherange he has a chassis bedding video. iv done 2 chassis rifles and other stocks as well , it works. If your not grouping at 100 it would be pointless to go further.Another thing i do is i allways warm up my barrel at least 3 shots sperate point of aim then start my data collecting ill go up to 20 shots fairly quik to stay at a consistant temp in the barrel like a match setting string of fire. if this setup was for hunting then i need to consider cold bore shot poi as priority but cold bore should always be considered regerdless and and noted as a data point note. Good luck hope to see that thing shoot some bug holes and a grin from ear to ear On Gus Macrea @@Halfmilesniper
@@juanherrera2672 your link went to the "review" tab, I approved it as I am sure others would like to see that but for some reason it isn't showing. It gives me more to think about.
@@Halfmilesniper yea look up reeseontherange chassis bedding
Less commentary and stick to the facts
And you just might have a interesting channel
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