Ep. 120 | All Things Rimfire and Long Range .22’s!
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Could the .22LR actually be considered “America’s cartridge”? Ryan Muckenhirn and new guest Seth Toy (From our engineering department) join Jimmy and Mark to talk all about rimfire cartridges, NRL precision .22 LR matches and a brand new scope from Vortex that might just so happen to have the perfect set of features for precision rimfire shooters. If you’ve always been the kind of person to take a fun game and get really competitive about it in a quest to beat literally everyone else on the planet, you’d make a great competitive rimfire guy/gal and should totally listen to this one. Also, if you watch on UA-cam, stick around after the podcast to hear Ryan and Seth go on a completely interesting and nerdy tangent about making their own ELR .22 cartridge. Truly revolutionary.
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During the Depression my Grandfather and Grandmother worked the family homestead outside of Stamford, Texas. 22LR was the only ammo they could afford.
Jackrabbits, white tail deer, prairie chickens were readily available and allowed them to save their beef cattle for market.
I learned to shoot from a man who treated each round like gold.
Well it is said in the reloading/casting crowd that lead is the poor man’s gold.
What a great topic it can be so much fun shooting 22 at 200 to 300.
So far I’m about half way through this program. My best friend and I competed with each other for years when it came to rimfires. He went as far as buying high grade a high grade Cooper. I had a Cooper TRP bench gun, but it honestly didn’t shoot any better than my CZ 452 American. It was easier to shoot than the CZ, but that’s when I decided to scale back to just shooting CZ. I still have an Anschutz 1720 for sniping hogs and such.
my first cartridge was a 25-06 but right after that was the .22lr
WHAT IS THE BEST RIFLE BARREL LENTH FOR------22LR------AND---22MAG---??????
In regards to the .22 BC 🤣 (22ELR) is this thought for highBC sub-sonic or super sonic round??? If super-sonic, will the boolit be able to handle the trans-sonic transition?
I’m bored… I’ve watched the last segment 4 times now 👀
no... "most" 22lr has a BC from .12 to .19... subs will always be more accurate... you cant fit a better design and still have it fit and function in a normal LR
Honeslty was suprised after 4hrs of binge watching yalls podcast that your only at 5k subs. These are top quality podcast with great content, excellent topics and discussions. Keep up the great work.
Cool comment... One year later and they're at 50k subs. Shows what's happening in the shooting market.
@Vortex now goes to school in a limo and is the most popular kid in school. They've done well :)
As of 6/28/24 the current number has grown to 125k. However I must say it should be at 1 million. This channel actually has content of substance. Essentially every episode is packed full of information history humor.
I'd love to hear a podcast similar to this one of 22WMR or one comparing 22wmr vs 17hmr
Same here
It'd be a dream come true. All comparison videos of the 17 hmr are always comparing it to the 22 lr which makes absolutely no sense.
dont forget the 17wsm
@@chase7354 yea but once again the 17 wsm is in a different weight class when compared to the 17 hmr and 22 wsm. Although I do love the 17wsm as well.
@@christiandandrea3685 yeah fair enough
When I was a kid, our house was surrounded by farm fields. I was standing out back next to where a camper was parked. All of a sudden a bullet hit it, probably a .22LR. That thing at bare minimum had to come from a mile away. I was blamed for shooting the camper. No one ever believed me. Hopefully someone here will :D
P.S. I really didnt shoot the camper, but the .177 pellet in the headlight of the 67 Nova was me....
utube .22lr 1000yard shot on ice lake
I believe you bro 😂 my neighbor was shooting at a squirrel (I assume) in his tree and the rounds were consistently ricocheting towards the house. I could hear the whiz of the round, went out, yelled at him to stop bc it was coming my way, one hit the house, and my parents were pissed at ME! I feel your pain bro.
so what type of 22 did you shoot the camper woth?
Don't lie, sir. I know it was you lol...have a good one...
This was my favorite out of all your podcasts. Ive watched it so many times. Would love another 22lr competition style podcast!
Agreed. All my other calibers have been relegated to SHTF duty in long term storage. 22lr is the only ammo in constant rotation in my house lately.
His comment about .22 competitions becoming as inconvenient and EXPENSIVE as any caliber, TRUE. Part of the extreme fun of .22 is the informality, affordability, simplicity, accessibility that makes the .22 so fun. Lets see more done with off the shelf firearms and ammunition and emphasize just the fun, comraderie, shared experience improvements in “every man’s” .22. Doesn’t that sound like fun?
Try grasshopper hunting with a 177 pellet gun. Stalk stalk stalk get ready to shoot and he flies like a pheasant. It's all about training and having fun for pennies. Just a thought.
That’s hilarious, I literally just started doing this in the backyard due to the increase in grasshopper population. Good out to 20 yards!
.22 LR cartridge boxes used to all be marked on the opening flap, CAUTION-range over 1 mile.
They don’t anymore?
@@DSToNe19and83 well they have it in small letters next to the ballistics table on the back it says range 1-1/2 miles. Be careful.
Yep. Saw some today where that is marked on the front cover.
Living in Ireland, the most prominent calibers here are .22 LR and 12 gauge. There are plenty of centrefire rifles but only 1 single range that goes beyond 100/200 metres. My local range is 51m (55yd) so my focus with my cz452 is consistent sub moa. My best group to date is 1/4 moa but average 1/2 moa regularly. A box of 100 CCI standard or subsonic rounds is €15 ($18.29) and something like Eley subsonic or SK match for 50 rounds is €7.50 a box ($9.14). Hopefully I can find a local range to push out to 100m this year!
Love the podcasts guys, really great format you have going! Subscribed!
Good luck. I am impressed with how many hoops must be jumped through across the pond, just to enjoy some recreational shooting. Glad you have the opportunity to do so.
Man, the after podcast conversation was extremely entertaining/interesting. It's fun hearing people just really get into a ridiculous topic. Though that's often how some pretty cool things are created.
"The ammo was getting too expensive, so we all bought $1200 guns and still spend $23 a box on ammo" .. I feel this pain
I'm with you Mark! First thing I shot was my great grandpa's .22LR when I was around 7 or 8. Sadly, I don't know anything about the rifle or I'd tell ya'll. I think my older brother has it now. Anyway, somehow, I had 6 other guns before owning my own .22LR lol. I used to shoot my dad's a lot, but it wasn't mine. Not sure why it took me so long to obtain my own. Probably because I mostly enjoy things that can reach out and touch the moon lol. Like my 300 PRC. But I have a pond and the turtles were getting out of control. So I bought a Savage b22 Precision, slapped a Crossfire II 3-9x40 on it (didn't want the rimfire) and started culling. I love that little thing.
Hmm I reload 22LR and I don't think I am psycho. I use the chemistry kit and the snap caps/matches. I think it's fun. Started getting into making my own black powder.
chemistry kits? Cook books? can you share links please? TX
I have heard tale of a .22 and an old logger where I grew up in eastern Washington. Story has it whenever he would drink too much, he would wander off with a .22 revolver to hunt black bears. And as story has it, he was successful on occasion.
This is almost scary... Im listening to this podcast, and while listening I am shooting my CZ 457 .22 LR suppressed with a Strike Eagle 5-25X56 scope. Im using the Aguila 22 Super Colibrí because they are incredibly quiet. What am I using as a bullet catch? The Champion brand rimfire specific bullet stop. I wont tell you where I am shooting but I think you may be able to guess. I feel like Im in the twilight zone right now 😳
Just bought CZ457. Its very accurate at 100yrds. Also mounted Vortex 5-25x56
As the saying goes among calibers: 22 is the king, 32 is the queen...
First time I’ve heard that!
"Look in any safe, there is a 22lr", (I look at my safe and count 5 22lr guns) I have to many ... or is it not enough?
Never enough!
5 as well! Soon to be 6!
Never enough! I went and bought the cmmg conversion for my AR. What a slick lil setup. Also went and bought a Henry. Between the ar conversion, other rifles and pistols I'm up to 7.
Yeah I have 6 myself, 2 10/22s, a Henry pump, a cz 452, a browning Buckmark, and heritage revolver.
No mention of the very underrated 22 WMR. They are Outstanding rounds too often overlooked.
Long range 22 target shooting is like racing 50cc motorcycles. Oddly enough it’s way more fun than larger machines.
Love the extra content on this one. Keep it up guys.
Enjoyed the podcast. Thought it was different. Have watched a couple of guys trying to shoot a egg sitting on a post at 400 yards. With 22 s
We need an update on the reload-able long range .22 ammo!
Re-watching this and I'm reminded that you, and probably this specific video, were what opened my eyes to the possibility of shooting .22 at longer range. Shooting at Bisley (in the UK) at 300yds after I got my .22 RPR and I figured it was a bit close for my 6.5CM, but thanks to you I wondered if I could do it with my .22. Not the greatest group, but (once I'd got sighted in) got all 10 rounds on the target which I was happy with... and much cheaper than if I'd done it with the 6.5! Amusingly no one in my club had even considered doing that before... but I suspect next time we're at 300yds I won't be the only one bringing out the .22.
I wanna see the 3d printed/ high bc 22 bullet!
doesn't work well with FDM, resin shoots pretty through
There is a company that holds a patent on 3d printed projectiles from 22 to 40mm. Right now that are concentrating on 20G slugs for custom slug guns.
Wow... the last 20 minutes was fascinating. It was "go time" when Ryan turned his hat backwards. Listening to Seth what was saying was awesome. "Day drinking" ... hilarious.. . . It is now a year later and I wonder if anything came to pass with this brain storming. Ending with "oven mitts" was wonderful. Health and Happiness to at Vortex.
Is it too hard to say "Long Rifle" or something?
You know they say that the 30 caliber lever action rifle has killed more deer than any other rifle then in the world or well they're wrong because the 22 long rifle has killed more deer if you think about it then any other rifle in the world people have been killing deer with a 22 long rifle way longer than any other rifle they just have not been documenting it or saying anything about it if you do the research on it you'll find out that I'm telling you the truth
BS
It's Ah-gee-lah.......Spanish to English translation is Eagle.........hence the eagle on the box
Aggie-la
best podcast yet, the off the cuff conversation at the end was great!
Great hearing some history of 22 cartridge. Keep up the great discussions and information about shooting.
Bella Twina age 63, shot the N American Record Brown Bear with a single shot 22. Year was 1953. She was out hunting small game when she had no choice but to throw down.
Heard that story climbed a tree and shot it thirteen times in the head
.22 WMR is a rimfire also...
I have a .17WSM that has a 24 inch barrel and I have zero doubts it would easily punch through the lungs of a deer or a pig. Or a human fir that matter!
I been shooting for 30 years. Guns were part of daily life growing up in rural Kentucky. All these years later ive accumolated a lot of guns..but a good ole 22LR is still my favorite to shoot 😎👍. Ive had a 22 in about eveything but my fovorite is the Henry lever gun. I just never was crazy about the semi autos. I tended to waste ammo with them rather than focusing on precision. Then the bolt actions were kinda boring. So the lever action Henry struck a good balance between speed and accuracy. Not as fast as the autos, not as accurate as the bolts, but right in the middle 👍
1:21:07 Reagan's (would-be) assassin used explosive lead-azide 22lr rounds. We have the technology
Yeah please give this treatment to the 17 HMR & 22 WMR for long range target and small game, this round table discussion was fantastic !
Many a mobile butcher will tell you about its viability on bovine.
Henry is now making a lever action smooth bore .22 they're also calling the garden gun. Not much practical use, but sure sounds like fun! Also love the idea of the .22 ELR.
My old man has one and loves it. He runs shorts, shot and some super quiets out of it and its like a BB gun in the backyard. Perfect little critter getter!
More than few red squirrels and chipmunks paid the piper already.
@@DSToNe19and83
My first thought when I read “smooth bore garden gun” was to use shot. I can see it being a great tool for that exact purpose if nothing else.
As always, an excellent show. So much fun and interesting info from Ryan and his calculator. . I have just returned to the world of .22 / .22LR and so I figured this would be an great watch during dinner. . . My first shot was also a .22, with my dad, at a very young age. Good times.
When Ryan flips his hat over you know it's business time. Look forward to the 22 BC!
duuuuuuude. the after podcast conversation for elr 22 was hands down my favorite part lmao. lets gooooo
Thanks to this podcast, it got the ball rolling for me to buy a CZ457 for NRL22
i would like to know how ryan and seth are coming on the elr 22 project----------------------------------------------
Marlin 866 with micro groove Bbl. CCI minimags, prairie dogs at 350yds. Head shots.
22LR is shaped like a pistol bullet which is subsonic round, you can force them over the sound barrier but 22LR is designed to fly sub sonic.
.22lr is a gateway drug
Best conversation is the last 10 minutes.
Just shot my first match of nrl22. Loved it !!!! People were very helpful. The money that some have in equipment and ammo is crazy but I can see how are you get hooked it’s probably the most fun I ever had
As for distance, I just watched a 22LR plinker UA-cam video go for a long distance shot. With a fairly high end set up, he managed to hit a coke can at 700 yards with Match grade 22LR ammo. Even when dialed in, it needed about 10 rounds to randomly land 1 on the can (the group size at that range was about a 2 foot circle).
I would go as far as to say the .22lr is the worlds cartridge.
My first was a 22lr at summer camp in the 70’s, the camp is still there but the new generation of liberals cancelled riflery about 15 years ago, so much for me donating a large sum of money to the camp. Camp Echo in Fremont MI, owned by the Evanston YMCA.
I had a bullet trap made out of 500 AR steel that I shoot off of my patio. I've shot my 308 target rifle at it as well as a friends 224 Valkyrie at 50 yds and it's stopped every round without any deformation of the trap. A 22lr isn't even a challenge for the trap.
I just mounted a vortex 4x12 copperhead on my ruger 10/22 and shot 6 rounds into a 1 1/2 inch group at 100 yards. It can be done
Can y'all do an updated .22 podcast, maybe specifically on the 10/22? That would be a great listen from you!
What about an episode about BPCR (Black Powder Cartridge Rifle) competition in the future?
Don’t forget Derrick Bird the UK taxi driver who went potty and killed twelve people one day,with a .22 rifle. Most of his shots were at distance.
Just found this channel - (12/22) and find this podcast super interesting. As I own several Vortex products I was initially drawn to the podcast expecting to hear all things Vortex. Instead you guys waded deep into the .22 weeds and I was captivated . The after party was even more enticing. I’m ready to break out the .22’s I rarely shoot. Ya need another one to dive even deeper into the “what ifs”. Thanks!
Yes y’all should definitely do the testing and could I please attend and just be a fly on the wall and shoot the $h!t afterwards??? I’m only x2 hours away!
My daughter took a badger @ 108yrds (from my blind to my feeder) with CCI subsonic 40gr lead hollow point. She was aiming for the head and nailed it in the neck............she's 8 years old.
For sure I own more 22 firearms and shoot them more than any other caliber….. however if I could afford to shoot 308 that much I would 😂
There is a story I have read several times of a Canadian indian woman who would take the occasional moose with a broken stocked .22 rifle. As far as I can gather she would hide on a game trail and let the moose have one in the ear from short range (at least one I should think !). Hunger !
When I was a kid I would use a smoothbore savage to shoot invasive sparrows and starlings inside a tin shed. Dad learned the hard way to use the crimped end stuff after the capsule didn’t break up and the whole thing went through the side of the shed.
Reloading 22lr is the same reason you reload anything I shoot competition in Europe and consistently get 8th of a inch 3 shot gripes
NOBODY reloads 22lr or "accuracy"....
say the real expensive high-end stuff for bench matches.
most people don't have the skill or the desire because it will embarrass them
Take a Remington yellow jacket take a crept knife and cut 4 groves in.blows stuff apart.
What about the 17HMR's guy's?? Don't see any video's concerning them.
You can kill a deer with a 22 long rifle at 100 yards if you shoot it in the head with no problem believe me I guarantee you can
I shot a huge spider off our brick fireplace with 22 shot shells once.
I don’t like spiders. 😅
Listening to Ryan and Seth reminds me of R & D brainstorming sessions back in the day.
Watching them carry on normally with the food while people here in Cali were freaking out over covid, stripping and decontaminating after shopping trips.
There was a thread a long time ago on arfcom, where the author decided to test distance that 22 was lethal. He wrapped a thawed Turkey in a shirt and denim jacket and the premis was that penetrating through the turkey was equivalent to enough penetrating on a human.
I think he got close to 400yds.
Y’all forgot gators. Troy on swamp people destroys 13ft gators with 22lr.
First thing not being an air rifle I shot was a swedish K sub machinegun at the age of 6-7 yrs old.
In the early 1970s, we had MoSkeet at Boy Scout summer camp for Marksmanship merit badge. Single shot Remington bolt actions, ...heavy and bulky...very frustrating. Also single shot 22LR rifles on the range. You could get the badge twice, once for shotgun and once for rifle. Back then we got free ammunition from the National Guard and every Scout attending camp got basic firearms training. Today's tree-hugger parents would freak, then back-then it was unremarkable. I spent the whole camp either shooting or sailing on Chesapeake Bay.
Thompson Center used to make straight rifling for .410 shot-shells for T/C Contender pistols. I think they made straight rifled 22LR barrels too.
A T/C receiver has a hammer with both Rimfire and Centerfire firing pins....
Your "turn it up to 11“ reminded me of the wholesome pinewood derby car racing..... Now with graphite pocket axles, lathed wheels and axles, precise axle placement, canted axles, ect ect. There's always going to be those people who eek every last bit of performance from something. Great discussion!
Cci velocitor 40 gr copper hollow point at 1435fps is the best hunting round for 22lr.
I've killed big hogs with this ammo
I love those rounds! I use them for groundhogs at distances of less than 100 yards, after 100 I use 69gr .243 BTHP out to 550 is the furthest shot I can make where I hunt them.
You guys obviously never grew up on a farm otherwise this would be a seamless conversation
Henry makes a lever action smooth bore 22 lr garden gun currently for anyone looking for a new toy
Isn’t the .22lr what the Israeli army uses? If it’s good enough for them…
It may just rip the skirt off the bullet and be a really bad barrel blockage....
One thing that seems weird is that most of the target and competition ammunition is not made in the United States you would think that there would be more companies in the United States building competition ammunition federal builds a little bit but most is made by Lapua or Eley in England or Germany
I think your high BC 22 cartridge should be called something like the 22 Typhoon…little play on the parent company/creator 😉
Birdshot needs a choked barrel. And you should not use it in a rifled barrel.
Stingy bastard didn't cook enough food to share.
Rude !
I got shot in the head with a .22lr it is no joke. But live to fight another day.
We started high school with 22lr single shot rifle
Today I bought a box of 22lr for $9.99.....
The last few minutes where they just nerd out on a hypothetical 1,000 yard .22 LR was probably the best segment of the Vortex Podcasts I've seen.
Not bad for old fat men,I'm fat to ,good job, thanks
If you plan on taking your favorite old 22lr rifle to a NRL22 match and think you're going to be in base class like they indicated in this video, you might want to read the rules.
The $1050 max for rifle and scope list price is (corrent list price)
If your gun or scope is out of production or doesn't have a current SKU number it will not qualify for ( base class)
My friend got all set up with a new rifle and Athlon scope and was well under the limit but Athlon came out with the Gin2 and stopped making gin 1s this will and did bump him into the open division. I'm just saying companies like Ruger, Savage, CZ and so no drop rifles all the time and scope companies do the same.
The NRL22 needs to take a better approach to this rule, but if you get to shoot a few matches before you get kicked up to open class it's probably time for you to move on up! Lol just tell your lady you have no choice, you do have a choice but it all costs money! Lol
Please read the rules before passing incorrect info
Just remember if they're not current SKUs you're in the open class. Sometimes there is less compition in the open class so just move on.
So if you've had your gun for a few years it's more than likely it won't qualify for base class
"and stopped making gin 1s this will and did bump him into the open division"
it wont, because no one looks at that.... even at the nationals....
Why would you laugh at reloading rimfire
I WANT TO TELL YOU A VERY TRUE STORY THAT HAPPEND TO ME WHEN I WAS ABOUT 22 YEARS OLD AND THAT WAS AROUND 1988 AND MY DAD BOUGHT A .22 WMR WE JUST CALLED A 22 MAGNUM AND I TOLD HIM WHY DID HE WANT TO BUY SUCH A PIECE OF CRAP GUN FOR , IT WAS SOMEKIND OF OLD BOLT ACTION GUN HE PAID 125 BUCKS FOR IT AND I HATED THE GUN . AND AT THIS TIME YOU COULD BUY A BRAND NEW 10 22 RUGER FOR ABOUT 99 BUCKS . FOR SEVERAL REASONS I AT THAT TIME YOU COULD BUY A BOX OF 50 22 LONG RIFLE SHELS FOR 99 CESTS AND A BOX OF THESE 22 MAGNUMS WERE 10 BUCKS SO ONE DAY I WAS IN A STORE AND SAW THESE NEW BIRD SHOT BULLETS THAT WERE LIKE 14.00 FOR 10 ROUNDS SO I THOUGHT I WOULD TRY A BOX . SO I GOT ONE BOX AND WENT HOME . ABOUT A WEEK LATER THESE 2 SNAKES WERE FIGHTING OR MATING HOW CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE SO I GOT THE 22 MAGNUM AND PUT IN THE BIRDSHOT AND THE GUN HAD A 5 ROUND BOX MAGIZINE SO I SHOT AT THE 2 SNAKES ABOUT 15 FEET FROM ME AND ALL I DID WAS PISS THEM OFF . SO I SHOT THEM AGAIN AND NOW THEY WERE REALLY PISSED NOW AND COMING AT ME . THIS WAS WEST VIRGINIA AND THEY HAVE COPPER HEADS BUT THESE 2 SNAKES WERE NOT VERY BIG ABOUT 5 FEET AND STANDING UP FIGHTING SO THE NEXT THING I WAS DOING WAS RUNNIMG TO GET BACK IN THE HOUSE !!!!!1! SO I GOT MY 12 GUAGE TO GO BACK OUT SIDE BECAUSE IM NOT GOING TO LET THESE SNAKES WIN !!! SO NOW THEY ARE UP ON THE SIDE OF THE HILL ONLY ABOUT 35 FEET AWAY FIGHTING OR MATING AGAIN SO I LET THEM HAVE IT AND THE SAME THING AGAIN HERE COMES THOSE SNAKES AT IME AGAIN I RUN BACK IN THE HOUSE ANDI THINK DANG THOSE ARE THE TUFFEST SNAKESI IVE EVER SEEN . SO LATER I LOOK AT THE 12 GUAGE AMMO AND MY DAD HAD BOUGHT NUMBER 9 SHOT BIRD SHOT . AND THIS IS A TRUE STORY ITS NOT MADE UP . I STILL HAVE THAT OLD ROTTON 22 MAGNUM AND I HAVE NEVER SHOT IT TO THIS DAY
No need to yell, brother...
First caliber for me was a .380 or a .410. Beretta cheetah 84, and break action single shot shotgun
Right on!
can you do somethin about the 17wsm
Just so you know, I laughed talking about the garden gun... Henry started making a lever action this year and I bought one... we have 5 chicken houses (500 feet each) and the smooth boar is awesome in the chicken house on rats at 10-25 feet!!
That's good to know!!
I can't remember the first round
Henry still makes a garden gun.
4/10's give you lots of options
How on earth had I missed this?