Oh man, you did hit the holy Grail! I've never seen a curved flatten out like that. Federal primers are my favorite primers as well as the guys I shoot with. No surprise that they're the hardest to get.
Nice! Just a heads up, if you have a new barrel you would only expect it to settle in at like 150-200 rounds. Doing such a comprehensive load development (which is awesome, enjoying the vids) before it’s settled in may cause results to differ…
Excellent information. Your process is very thorough. A few questions… what brass are you using? Many I have seen anneal brass first and then trim, chamfer . You anneal after all the sizing is done? Did you comment on group size with any of these powder charges? Or will you do that in a follow up video? Thanks
I am using Lapua Brass. I have tried annealing at multiple stages of the process and I find that it does not much matter when it is done as long as it is done in a consistent manner. The key to success is to make sure that you do everything the same every time and you will know what works or what doesn't through trial and error. I am not saying that this is the way it should be done. I am just showing everyone what works for me. In regards to group sizes... there are none. I do not even care about that this early in the load development stages that I use. I am only shooting the rounds to gather muzzle velocity data and nothing more. My next video in this series will be shooting 5 shot groups at 1/10th grain increments from the data that I collected from this video. That is where I will have groups to measure and compare and I will also factor in my SD and ES measurements as well. Those were some great questions and I hope that I have provided the answers that you were looking for. Stay tuned for what's going to be in the next video.
@@mattsreloadingbench Appreciate your follow up responses. Yes very helpful! I will watch for the next video that will provide ES, SD, and group sizes for powder charges varying by 0.1 grain increments. Again your process is thorough, informative. Thanks so much
Great video man so I'm curious do you ever check your neck tension at the end up of your prep process? The only reason I ask is that I found after getting a henderson precision trimmer I found that tumbling at the end causes you to get peened over case mouths that make it seem like your neck tension grew but really not so much.. I switched to just sonic cleaning instead to get the lube off because I couldn't get cases over the pilot on the henderson.. just food for thought. Great video
Never really have thought much about it. When I am able to get single digit SDs and ES under 20 on pretty much everything I load up, I am more than satisfied with my end results. Good point though! Thanks for watching!
You are correct. Unfortunately that day I had a guy on the next bench over who didn't know which target was his and shot mine up and ruined any readable data. I would have done a reshoot of this, but I was having issues with consistency with this rifle. To the point that I traded for a new rifle. Thanks for watching!
No offense, but I'm seeing some pretty glaring holes in your process. I lay no claim to being God's gift to reloading, but I've been doing it for decades, have competed and am friends with serious benchrest shooters, and have dialed-in countless loads for rifles over the years. 1) Anneal brass FIRST, even before you deprime --- you want to soften the work hardening BEFORE you resize to minimize springback 2) Debur flash-hole once and never again, if ever (no good data on it being of benefit) 3) look into using a 0.262" expander mandrel on those necks for .002" neck tension. Some other things, but just quibbles. Overall, good show!
I appreciate your feedback! I make no claim to know everything. If it is what some consider wrong, this is just what works for me. I get what you are saying with the annealing. Some say that you don't need to anneal every time either. I anneal last because I want the brass to be at its soft point for when it expands in the chamber. I have no research to support why. It just makes sense to me. It is a theory that i might dive more into with a video in the future to see if there is any substance to my thought process or not. I have not competed but would like to be able to do so in the future. There is not much for long range shooting where I am located and would have to drive out of state just to be able to compete anywhere.
@@mattsreloadingbench your thinking on annealing has logic, but it's flawed. Trust me when I say that your brass has no problem expanding when it's exposed to 65,000psi,... The reason to anneal is to soften the brass for consistent resizing -- the brass becomes soft enough to STAY resized and doesn't spring-back to various degrees depending on how work-hardened it has become having been shot at various pressures (loads) previously,... Various loads at various pressures add up cumulatively to work-harden the brass in inconsistent ways making for inconsistencies in the amount of spring-back thereby your brass becomes more and more inconsistent,... Do you follow? If you're going to use an Anneal Eez, be sure to use a big tank of propane, not the little camping tanks as they're inconsistent in their delivery.
@@ryanberg3705 I do use a big tank. I have a 20# tank hooked up to it. If you use the small tanks, the flame is very inconsistent and therefore the brass is as well. I am tracking what you are saying with annealing first and not last. This is something that I will have to take into consideration moving forward. Again, I greatly appreciate your feedback!
For me, annealing is about preparing the brass to be able to be fired and expand to fill the chamber more consistently than being able to resize it. Just because the brass is annealed at the end of the preparation does not mean that the benefits of annealing are gone once you are ready to resize after the brass is fired. Also, annealing is not all lost from one firing either. It's benefits last through a few firings. I just annealing every time for the purpose of consistency.
Ya I did some testing on 223 rem and heard everyone say annealing after sizing can change the neck tension.. but I never found that to be the case and I'm with Matt on if you do it all the time it's not going to matter
That is so fake! He shoots shot after shot without ever working the bolt. It isn't a frikin autoloader! You see that in Hollywood movies, but please, this is supposed to be real.
Oh man, you did hit the holy Grail! I've never seen a curved flatten out like that. Federal primers are my favorite primers as well as the guys I shoot with. No surprise that they're the hardest to get.
Thanks for watchinf!
Love you process. Glad I found your channel
Thanks. Stay tuned for more information as I produce more videos!
Thats a lot of rounds down the barrel for load development. I can’t imagine the groups are very good yanking the trigger like that…😮
Thanks for watching!
Awesome job Matt!
Thank you!
Nice! Just a heads up, if you have a new barrel you would only expect it to settle in at like 150-200 rounds. Doing such a comprehensive load development (which is awesome, enjoying the vids) before it’s settled in may cause results to differ…
You are correct. I am at that point already.
Excellent information. Your process is very thorough. A few questions… what brass are you using? Many I have seen anneal brass first and then trim, chamfer . You anneal after all the sizing is done? Did you comment on group size with any of these powder charges? Or will you do that in a follow up video? Thanks
I am using Lapua Brass. I have tried annealing at multiple stages of the process and I find that it does not much matter when it is done as long as it is done in a consistent manner. The key to success is to make sure that you do everything the same every time and you will know what works or what doesn't through trial and error. I am not saying that this is the way it should be done. I am just showing everyone what works for me.
In regards to group sizes... there are none. I do not even care about that this early in the load development stages that I use. I am only shooting the rounds to gather muzzle velocity data and nothing more. My next video in this series will be shooting 5 shot groups at 1/10th grain increments from the data that I collected from this video. That is where I will have groups to measure and compare and I will also factor in my SD and ES measurements as well.
Those were some great questions and I hope that I have provided the answers that you were looking for. Stay tuned for what's going to be in the next video.
@@mattsreloadingbench Appreciate your follow up responses. Yes very helpful! I will watch for the next video that will provide ES, SD, and group sizes for powder charges varying by 0.1 grain increments. Again your process is thorough, informative. Thanks so much
Great video man so I'm curious do you ever check your neck tension at the end up of your prep process? The only reason I ask is that I found after getting a henderson precision trimmer I found that tumbling at the end causes you to get peened over case mouths that make it seem like your neck tension grew but really not so much.. I switched to just sonic cleaning instead to get the lube off because I couldn't get cases over the pilot on the henderson.. just food for thought. Great video
Never really have thought much about it. When I am able to get single digit SDs and ES under 20 on pretty much everything I load up, I am more than satisfied with my end results.
Good point though!
Thanks for watching!
I can't find PART 3. Noel in Australia. I have used Federal gold match 210m for years.
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What's missing in this video is the target info? Does it correlate to the powder nodes ? You did a ladder test with no data from it .
You are correct. Unfortunately that day I had a guy on the next bench over who didn't know which target was his and shot mine up and ruined any readable data.
I would have done a reshoot of this, but I was having issues with consistency with this rifle. To the point that I traded for a new rifle.
Thanks for watching!
No offense, but I'm seeing some pretty glaring holes in your process. I lay no claim to being God's gift to reloading, but I've been doing it for decades, have competed and am friends with serious benchrest shooters, and have dialed-in countless loads for rifles over the years. 1) Anneal brass FIRST, even before you deprime --- you want to soften the work hardening BEFORE you resize to minimize springback 2) Debur flash-hole once and never again, if ever (no good data on it being of benefit) 3) look into using a 0.262" expander mandrel on those necks for .002" neck tension. Some other things, but just quibbles. Overall, good show!
I appreciate your feedback! I make no claim to know everything. If it is what some consider wrong, this is just what works for me. I get what you are saying with the annealing. Some say that you don't need to anneal every time either. I anneal last because I want the brass to be at its soft point for when it expands in the chamber. I have no research to support why. It just makes sense to me. It is a theory that i might dive more into with a video in the future to see if there is any substance to my thought process or not. I have not competed but would like to be able to do so in the future. There is not much for long range shooting where I am located and would have to drive out of state just to be able to compete anywhere.
@@mattsreloadingbench your thinking on annealing has logic, but it's flawed. Trust me when I say that your brass has no problem expanding when it's exposed to 65,000psi,... The reason to anneal is to soften the brass for consistent resizing -- the brass becomes soft enough to STAY resized and doesn't spring-back to various degrees depending on how work-hardened it has become having been shot at various pressures (loads) previously,... Various loads at various pressures add up cumulatively to work-harden the brass in inconsistent ways making for inconsistencies in the amount of spring-back thereby your brass becomes more and more inconsistent,... Do you follow? If you're going to use an Anneal Eez, be sure to use a big tank of propane, not the little camping tanks as they're inconsistent in their delivery.
@@ryanberg3705 I do use a big tank. I have a 20# tank hooked up to it. If you use the small tanks, the flame is very inconsistent and therefore the brass is as well. I am tracking what you are saying with annealing first and not last. This is something that I will have to take into consideration moving forward. Again, I greatly appreciate your feedback!
what does the paper say or what does the barrel say 1.0 or .2's
Sorry, but I do not follow...
Why anneal after resizing?
For me, annealing is about preparing the brass to be able to be fired and expand to fill the chamber more consistently than being able to resize it. Just because the brass is annealed at the end of the preparation does not mean that the benefits of annealing are gone once you are ready to resize after the brass is fired. Also, annealing is not all lost from one firing either. It's benefits last through a few firings. I just annealing every time for the purpose of consistency.
Ya I did some testing on 223 rem and heard everyone say annealing after sizing can change the neck tension.. but I never found that to be the case and I'm with Matt on if you do it all the time it's not going to matter
That is so fake! He shoots shot after shot without ever working the bolt. It isn't a frikin autoloader! You see that in Hollywood movies, but please, this is supposed to be real.
My videos are 100% real. I edit out a lot if it to reduce the length of the videos.
it's called EDITING, in this case, for viewer convenience -- do you really want to see him sit there for 50-rounds slow firing?