Nice video. I trialed h1000 behind 143eldx in vigin lapua. My velocities almost matched yours but with +30 fps. I had a node at 2898 for both 57.0 & 57.5 loads. I'll test this range soon. Went to 58.5 @ 2996 without signs. Perhaps you might want to explore 3/4gn higher to get a decent PRC boogie on without stressing out the rifle. Keep up the good videos.
With the H1000 and ADG brass you should be able to work up to close to 3100 fps before you find pressure. At least work up to pressure and back off. You will fill more case volume, giving it a more consistent burn, giving you better es and sd and smaller groups.bow that the case is fire formed. If you bump back .002 or .003, you'll be adding more case volume, which will grow your es and sd.
H1000 with once fired hornady brass pushes these over 3k. Im in agreement about saving rhe barrel, but push this out to 3k. Take a note of brass flow. Let the barrel reach a pressure equilibrium, copper equilibrium, and you will be happier with your s.d. from this powder bullet combo. 147's are stupid accurate pillz, and with the prc you should exploit this. Im running a savage 110 highcountry now. Had the bergara for a couple months and enjoyed its weight for bench rest and stationary shooting. With an arken sh4 gen2 it was a tank. Thanks for the video
I would like to second this post: " @atopolin19 2 months ago With the H1000 and ADG brass you should be able to work up to close to 3100 fps before you find pressure. At least work up to pressure and back off. You will fill more case volume, giving it a more consistent burn, giving you better es and sd and smaller groups.bow that the case is fire formed. If you bump back .002 or .003, you'll be adding more case volume, which will grow your es and sd."
Nice shooting Rob, I have the 153 A tips and 156 EOL to load for my 6.5 PRC, Using either H1000 4350 and 4831 sc, looking forward to some warmer Alberta weather to get out on the range. I hope you have access to the "heavy for caliber" projectiles to see how the Bergara does. Keep up the testing.
Just got 1000 to try these 140vld….h4350 done good with 130tmk from my 24” carbon waypoint…superformance did good also…got magpro to try too..that 3200 majic # would be killer with 153s and 56s…those and nosler rdf I wanna try..awsome round
I think there are better powders for this chamber… (higher velocities w/o hitting high pressure.). 200 FPS or even close to 400 FPS difference and absolutely make a Different but most don’t shoot past 300 yards anyway realistically. When you get to larger cases that will give you around 1300 round out of the 8lb jug.for 6.5 CM and 1000 for. The 6.5 prc. Thank you for the video and, no disrespect about velocity. I enjoy what you’re doing as life is too short to listen to you tube comments anyway..
Berger data for the 6.5 PRC with the 156g EOL bullet and H1000 lists a max charge weight at 60g. I settled on 59.6g after my OCW tests and found it is not a compressed load. Therefore, your cases can't be anywhere close to full at the charge weight you selected and that is not conducive to low SDs.
If you reach up with your left hand and pull the forearm down and back, your groups will improve dramatically, muzzle flip is killing your groups. I taught a retired Marine Sniper this technique and he was blown away. While inconvenient, shooting off of a front rest will also improve your groups, I have bipods also. The Atlas is one of the best bi-pods, but your accuracy requirements determine the technique and equipment used. Inexpensive Caldwell front rests are a group saver, make no mistake about it. Critique your video and see how much your forearm is moving. Benchrest shooters discovered decades ago that grabbing the rear bag with your left hand produced verticle in groups. You have to make shooting fun for you, it is only a hobby. I found that H1000 doubled the barrel life in my 264 Winchester, and I am sure that you will find the same in your PRC as the H1000 burns very cool and is rated one of the coolest burning powders along with N160 and N165. In order to extend barrel life, I shoot multiple three-shot groups, cooling the barrel inbetween the three shot groups by dousing a wash rag with 50/50 rubbing alcohol/water, rubbing the barrel with the wash rag, and you want enough of the solution on the wash rag till you see the liquid dripping off of the bottom of the barrel. You will be SHOCKED at how fast the barrel cools! I look forward to seeing your videos in the future! I can tell you that your choice of the H1000 will get you in the 1200-1400 rounds of barrel life, other wise with other powders you would have seen a 600-800 round barrel life!
@@RobsReloading ohh I will check those out. I love those bullets. Most accurate I've found of all the match bullets. Idk if that's your take or not on them.
Way too slow my 24 inch Christensen arms MPR WITH 56.6 GRAIN RELOADER 26 BR2 PRIMERS AVERAGES 3055 FT./S With Retumbo 58 grain produces 3050 ft./s. No pressure signs.
Yup way slow, the pressure node for 147/153 is around 3000fps+ We run the 147 and 153 Atips at 3050 with RL powder. Its like owning a Ferrari, and driving down the highway at 50mph instead of 100+mph. But hey, if he likes it, he likes it. Wont matter much to him shooting at 100 yards. We see the benifits at 1760 yards where dispersion becomes an issue, and a s.d. of 18 will make you miss hits on target.
@@darrylpacholko5495 Hornady's factory loading with the 147gr ELD-M has a box velocity of 2910fps. We are not far from that here. Also don't have a range with 1000+ yards so 150fps really wont make that big of difference. Just harder on brass/barrel etc.
@Rob's Reloading I would say that handloading gives a distinct advantage. Something I know that you are aware of. For me 3k is magic and is in excess of Factory which is generic to all rifles. This isn't a criticism, just an observation that contrasts the .270 and 6.5 PRC
What's the point of a PRC if you are only getting Creedmoor speed? I get over 2800 fps speeds with 6.5 CM loads and great accuracy. That's with Hornady 140 gr Match bullets. I want 3000 fps or more for PRC.
That's kind of the unspoken in PRC circles. Usually CM getting those speeds is in a 24"+ barrel which isn't a common factory offering. For most non-loaders, CM is getting mid 26s for speed which makes a factory PRC setup at 2850 or so an attractive upgrade.
@@RobsReloading It looked good in QL, same % burned as H1000. I checked and Hodgdon has no data but I found a Hornady PDF online that lists H4831 with the heavier projectile.
Why do you take the cold bore shots into account when you are trying to determe the accuracy potential of a load? I understand it if you want to know what the rifle does, but as far as load itself, I guess I don't understand.
When I shoot I often shoot a hand full of shots then break. Then again. I don't want a load with a big shift from cool to warm. It's just practical for me. I don't want to have to fire 2-3 shots to get a barrel up to temp before it will shoot. IMO that's a waste of components.
This is no disrespect to your channel but the 147 ELD-m has a terrible design , the BC variation of the projectile is at 2% or higher . You would have much more long range consistency with the 140g ELD-m .
I'm amazed at the group sizes! While I don't have the 6.5 PRC I do have the 6.5 Creedmoor.
I am using 57.9gn of H1000 and getting 3040fps with the 140 eldM. SD 3.43 and ES 7 . Groups in the .3 - .4 range
Savage 110
Good load. I would like to see H1000 knocking on the door of 3,000fps. But you can't complain with sub-moa groups. Thanks
Nice video. I trialed h1000 behind 143eldx in vigin lapua. My velocities almost matched yours but with +30 fps. I had a node at 2898 for both 57.0 & 57.5 loads. I'll test this range soon. Went to 58.5 @ 2996 without signs. Perhaps you might want to explore 3/4gn higher to get a decent PRC boogie on without stressing out the rifle. Keep up the good videos.
The Bergara likes a clean barrel. Nice 5 shot group, especially with a bipod.
Funny all 3 of mine shoot best dirty, go figure
Mines a dirty girl, she hates to be cleaned
With the H1000 and ADG brass you should be able to work up to close to 3100 fps before you find pressure. At least work up to pressure and back off. You will fill more case volume, giving it a more consistent burn, giving you better es and sd and smaller groups.bow that the case is fire formed. If you bump back .002 or .003, you'll be adding more case volume, which will grow your es and sd.
No you won’t
H1000 with once fired hornady brass pushes these over 3k. Im in agreement about saving rhe barrel, but push this out to 3k. Take a note of brass flow. Let the barrel reach a pressure equilibrium, copper equilibrium, and you will be happier with your s.d. from this powder bullet combo. 147's are stupid accurate pillz, and with the prc you should exploit this. Im running a savage 110 highcountry now. Had the bergara for a couple months and enjoyed its weight for bench rest and stationary shooting. With an arken sh4 gen2 it was a tank. Thanks for the video
I would like to second this post:
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@atopolin19
2 months ago
With the H1000 and ADG brass you should be able to work up to close to 3100 fps before you find pressure. At least work up to pressure and back off. You will fill more case volume, giving it a more consistent burn, giving you better es and sd and smaller groups.bow that the case is fire formed. If you bump back .002 or .003, you'll be adding more case volume, which will grow your es and sd."
Nice shooting Rob, I have the 153 A tips and 156 EOL to load for my 6.5 PRC, Using either H1000 4350 and 4831 sc, looking forward to some warmer Alberta weather to get out on the range. I hope you have access to the "heavy for caliber" projectiles to see how the Bergara does. Keep up the testing.
Just got 1000 to try these 140vld….h4350 done good with 130tmk from my 24” carbon waypoint…superformance did good also…got magpro to try too..that 3200 majic # would be killer with 153s and 56s…those and nosler rdf I wanna try..awsome round
I think there are better powders for this chamber… (higher velocities w/o hitting high pressure.). 200 FPS or even close to 400 FPS difference and absolutely make a Different but most don’t shoot past 300 yards anyway realistically.
When you get to larger cases that will give you around 1300 round out of the 8lb jug.for 6.5 CM and 1000 for. The 6.5 prc.
Thank you for the video and, no disrespect about velocity. I enjoy what you’re doing as life is too short to listen to you tube comments anyway..
Berger data for the 6.5 PRC with the 156g EOL bullet and H1000 lists a max charge weight at 60g. I settled on 59.6g after my OCW tests and found it is not a compressed load. Therefore, your cases can't be anywhere close to full at the charge weight you selected and that is not conducive to low SDs.
If you reach up with your left hand and pull the forearm down and back, your groups will improve dramatically, muzzle flip is killing your groups. I taught a retired Marine Sniper this technique and he was blown away.
While inconvenient, shooting off of a front rest will also improve your groups, I have bipods also. The Atlas is one of the best bi-pods, but your accuracy requirements determine the technique and equipment used. Inexpensive Caldwell front rests are a group saver, make no mistake about it.
Critique your video and see how much your forearm is moving. Benchrest shooters discovered decades ago that grabbing the rear bag with your left hand produced verticle in groups. You have to make shooting fun for you, it is only a hobby.
I found that H1000 doubled the barrel life in my 264 Winchester, and I am sure that you will find the same in your PRC as the H1000 burns very cool and is rated one of the coolest burning powders along with N160 and N165.
In order to extend barrel life, I shoot multiple three-shot groups, cooling the barrel inbetween the three shot groups by dousing a wash rag with 50/50 rubbing alcohol/water, rubbing the barrel with the wash rag, and you want enough of the solution on the wash rag till you see the liquid dripping off of the bottom of the barrel. You will be SHOCKED at how fast the barrel cools!
I look forward to seeing your videos in the future! I can tell you that your choice of the H1000 will get you in the 1200-1400 rounds of barrel life, other wise with other powders you would have seen a 600-800 round barrel life!
Nice find on the h1000. The prc seems like it’s getting happier. Keep it up!
Yes, I really think the barrel just needs to be cleaned to shoot well!
H1000 goes over pressure very quickly in this calibre also this case needs FL resizing every time three brand of brass we tried
Don’t be afraid to bump it up 28 65 ft./s is what I get from my 6.5 Creedmoor 43 g reloader 16.
I'm sure I could push this load more, but currently have no reason too. Wont be shooting past 1k with this gun for know and 2865fps will do.
@@RobsReloading well, in that case, you can do that with a 6.5 Creedmoor no need for the PRC
Love to see you try bergers target hybrid bullets. They're so good.
I have videos with the 140gr hybrid target. Used it at 1 mile with n560 I believe
@@RobsReloading ohh I will check those out. I love those bullets. Most accurate I've found of all the match bullets. Idk if that's your take or not on them.
@@camonly849 they are some older videos. I have plans to test them in 6.5x47L as well. In my experience all the Berger bullets are great.
@@RobsReloadingdo you full length size after this or you just neck size ??
@@duvielhernandez2887 always full length size
Man… can’t get h1000 in my area, got a boat load of adg brass though, nice one
I hope you got in on this batch that’s come around man…I know the feelin and finally got lucky
Hogdeon has it in 1lb cans
Way too slow my 24 inch Christensen arms MPR WITH 56.6 GRAIN RELOADER 26 BR2 PRIMERS AVERAGES 3055 FT./S With Retumbo 58 grain produces 3050 ft./s. No pressure signs.
Yup way slow, the pressure node for 147/153 is around 3000fps+ We run the 147 and 153 Atips at 3050 with RL powder. Its like owning a Ferrari, and driving down the highway at 50mph instead of 100+mph. But hey, if he likes it, he likes it. Wont matter much to him shooting at 100 yards. We see the benifits at 1760 yards where dispersion becomes an issue, and a s.d. of 18 will make you miss hits on target.
Mid 28s with a 147 grain projectile is .270 Winchester territory. I agree, if you're going to shoot a magnum with a higher B C. you gotta get 3k plus.
@@darrylpacholko5495 Hornady's factory loading with the 147gr ELD-M has a box velocity of 2910fps. We are not far from that here. Also don't have a range with 1000+ yards so 150fps really wont make that big of difference. Just harder on brass/barrel etc.
@Rob's Reloading I would say that handloading gives a distinct advantage. Something I know that you are aware of. For me 3k is magic and is in excess of Factory which is generic to all rifles. This isn't a criticism, just an observation that contrasts the .270 and 6.5 PRC
@@darrylpacholko5495 theres a reason I handload, and its NOT to duplicate factory ammo😉
Need to try Reloader 26
Wish I had some.
What's the point of a PRC if you are only getting Creedmoor speed? I get over 2800 fps speeds with 6.5 CM loads and great accuracy. That's with Hornady 140 gr Match bullets. I want 3000 fps or more for PRC.
That's kind of the unspoken in PRC circles. Usually CM getting those speeds is in a 24"+ barrel which isn't a common factory offering. For most non-loaders, CM is getting mid 26s for speed which makes a factory PRC setup at 2850 or so an attractive upgrade.
Is 2.980 20 off the lands with 147s? That's same coal I got in my hmr with 147s. Wish they would fit in the mag lol
Have you tried any Ramshot Grand in 6.5 PRC?
Maybe did not hear it but how much off lands are you??
Looks a little long or jammed compared to my 6.5 PRC; most to lands are around 2.970 for the Hornady 140 BTHP with my rifles
How many round down this barrel when you started this experiment?
Maybe try the H4831 with these heavier projectiles!
I think 4831 is a little fast for the heavy for caliber stuff in prc?
@@RobsReloading It looked good in QL, same % burned as H1000. I checked and Hodgdon has no data but I found a Hornady PDF online that lists H4831 with the heavier projectile.
Any bolt clicks from your brass with 6.5 prc?
No issues so far!
Have had issues with reloading brass because of bulges at the bottom of the case?
Why do you take the cold bore shots into account when you are trying to determe the accuracy potential of a load? I understand it if you want to know what the rifle does, but as far as load itself, I guess I don't understand.
When I shoot I often shoot a hand full of shots then break. Then again. I don't want a load with a big shift from cool to warm. It's just practical for me. I don't want to have to fire 2-3 shots to get a barrel up to temp before it will shoot. IMO that's a waste of components.
@Rob's Reloading is the shift from cold to warm a rifle thing, not a load thing?
This is no disrespect to your channel but the 147 ELD-m has a terrible design , the BC variation of the projectile is at 2% or higher . You would have much more long range consistency with the 140g ELD-m .