its not really the fault of Adobe but they have to develop their software to support Intel CPU and AMD GPU on macs and also develop the same software to run on intel/AMD CPUs on windows and also AMD/NVIDIA on windows , its alot to do
@@carholic-sz3qv they could simply adopt Metal for hardware acceleration and it would make a lot of things blazingly fast. You can edit a 4K video in Final Cut on a 12" MacBook with a Core m3 yet somehow Adobe's software still chugs on Macs with beastly GPUs...
@@bolttracks The problem is maintaining all that different codebase everytime you do an update. Developers tend to try to unify the codebase as much as they possibly can. So whenever there is something that is cross platform they will chose that over a platform specific thing. So for a big company as Adobe where hundreds of new features are added all the time they would do that to avoid chaos behind the scenes. But yeah the disadvantage to this can be poor optimisation on one platform
This was excellent. Professionals sharing their workflow experience is enormously more useful to me than abstract benchmark scores or a UA-cam personality giving their out-of-the-box impressions. Way to be a cut about the rest, Verge. Your team continues to impress.
Agreed. The Verge's unique approach to their reviews and exceptional quality of content is what hooked me as a fan of theirs years ago, and keeps me coming back to this day.
They are professional 2d/video ARTISTS and they don't use the machine to the fullest. Instead, you could put a rookie 3d render and see the difference instantly, and you don't need to be a pro.
Really appreciate finding a way to making this review stand out from the pack. Focusing on workflows rather than just speeds and feeds (which are still fun) is so much more illuminating, especially on a real pro machine. Would have also liked to see the iMac Pro thrown in there for fun, but seeing the Threadripper comparison was great!.
Zaafar Jat fun fact, they don’t teach Premiere as the best NLE editor at film schools (at least ASU). At the highest level (Hollywood films) Premiere still isn’t used over other programs. It’s just the most capable, accessible, community backed, and affordable (for students) so it reigns
Steve Jobs was right when he said Adobe are lazy, the free version of Resolve wipes the floor with Premiere. The problem with Resolve is that it’s project files don’t integrate into short form graphics workflows because they’re not not finder/desktop compatible. So silly.
@@periskop Agreed it's not either/or. For lots of 15sec-30sec jobs, we used Premiere, a file server and 4 people with no problems. Being able to save a project file into the file system doesn't break anything because the desktop is already a database. The Resolve system forces a kind of 'database within a database' situation which means you can't copy/manage/backup/move anything from the desktop which is unnecessary.
Literally every tech UA-camr telling that mac pro is only for pro professionals. Someone makes video on mac pro Normal people: Aight I'mma watch this video.
Well After Effects is a single core application anyways so throwing more cores isn't going to make it faster. In fact, it will likely be slower since higher core count usually means lower single clock frequency.
@@melomaniakjm Let me rephrase that, Ae only uses a single core for rendering (aside from GPU effects). Which when trying to playback ram previews that aren't cached yet is very slow. THey removed multi-core processing about 2 years ago in favor of moving forward with more GPU accelerated effects.
@@moboxgraphics What? No they didn't, there are some plug-ins and effects that effectively limit you in core-count.. but you can go ahead and press the render button on most projects nowadays and see a 4-6 core system hit near max CPU utilization. I'm not sure where you got that idea from. All they did was remove the previous system they had in place which was *only* a place-holder that would essentially run an equal number of AE render programs to **X** number of cores you had and then split the ram among the cores and render frames in X number of AE processes while the host process kept them all in order and composed them. It was a stop-gap that left 98% of the job up to the operating system, and came about back when Core 2 arrived on the scene and was removed in favor of actual multicore processing, not multi-processor programs.
@@EleMenTfiNi Hmm there's a post on the Adobe forms from 2018 (look up "After Effects only uses one core" on google and it should be the first post). However, I also see Puget systems say it just doesn't scale well beyond a single core. Not sure which is correct, but what I do know, higher core count is not as valuable as single-core speed.
UA-cams idea of "Professionals" is so limited its laughable. At least say "Media Pros" or "TV Pros" or whatever. Where are all the other pros in all these videos? Programmers, engineers, scientists, game developers, architects, etc etc etc. I'm really sick of seeing video editing performance and photoshop!
Michael Garry exactly. Thank you. At most I feel these guys are creative professionals. I do Architectural visualization, and can say the more processing power you throw at rendering, the faster it renders. I’m guessing thats not how the adobe suite works, especially for the person working off a server via vpn
Because that’s what “professional” means. One machine for everyone is not professional and impossible. You need different tools for different work. That’s professional.
@@huan_huan No, that's not what "professional" means at all - it means getting paid for your skills/knowledge. A true "pro" machine is aimed at people who are using it fundamentally for work purposes - not leisure / media consumption. Its also meant to be a general purpose pro machine - but all we see are video editors and the occasional sound composer. Thats a very small percentage of the overall market.
@@Natan9000 Logitech MX Master series works great in MacOS (has configurable gesture support) and it's super ergonomic too. I think they were just using the magic mouse cause it came with the Mac Pro.
@@PerplexedPhoton I have on my desk the MX Master 3 and the Magic Mouse both connected to my mac. Every day I use the MX less and less. Magic mouse just works so much better. I also find the smaller form factor far more comfortable.
@@endornaut Sure, but this really isn't targeted at regular consumers. Besides, if you really wanted to, you could get 64 GB for under $300, which even a regular consumer could afford.
8:57 - the wobbling monitor stand was the most revealing thing in this video. It did not even occurred to me to try this at a store because of the assumption I hold that you pay for overkill stability and leveling..
The „wobbling“ is to adapt to uneven desk surfaces which a lot of people have. Its a basic feature on every monitor that has an adaptable stand and is expected behaviour in a professional monitor.
•••••• I know you are trolling, but that's not the point. It should magnetically snap into a given orientation and stay leveled by itself. You should not need to level it by yourself.
Bought one to replace my 5,1. It's an amazing computer, excellent built quality, extremely silent and just feels absolutely great to have it next to me. Speed wasn't the main goal for me more having a new modular Mac to hold all my drives and leaves me room for further expandability for the next 10 years. I just love it, it's a beauty.
So your pros all work with Adobe and Adobe hasn’t optimised yet. Not the full story of what Pros do. It’s one subset of them. If you got Pros from many different industries with different programs this review would be a lot better.
if that was to happen (adobe optimising their software) it would give life to previous generation of machines (such as dual cpu HP z series machine which will cost a fraction of the price of the mac) i personally can't see it happening - adobe have crappy development teams.
Premiere’s processing engine is totally outdated, rendering and exporting takes absolutely forever even with powerful workstations, it’s ridiculous. Final Cut Pro X and Resolve are way faster and much better optimized, these are definitely the way to go, it’s not even close. Greetings.
I know some who had to do that to get into his company server, but he also works remotely so it's different. In an office there should really be a direct connection...
@@descendency not a bug, its a setting in the program. I think they were trying to say that they didnt expect the pixelation to turn on with the hardware the pro has.
I wish we had some engineers at our company who could have made use of this machine! Our product team told me that almost all of their work compiles in the cloud when I asked if they wanted to participate in this review :(
Sorry for the delay on the answer here - we went back and talked it over. Basically, Estelle tried it with adaptive resolution on and off, and the performance with it off wasn't good enough to let her work as normal, so she flipped it back on. We didn't want to make this already-long video longer by explaining the setting, so we just got to the point. But rest assured it was tested both ways.
One of the best reviews I've seen so far on the Mac Pro. I definitely feel that Apple will need to make the switch to AMD at some point soon. And for the moment, it might take some more time and user pressure before Adobe start to optimise their software for this computer... But hopefully with the modularity, this Mac Pro will still be relevant in 5-10 years time (unlike the last one). Thanks for the great work putting this together!
@@Nik6644 well yeah but these are probably going to be arm chips. Might make the MacBooks super powerful and efficient (literally make intel obsolete efficient)but they still won't hold a candle to the high end x86 processors like the 3970x and 3990x
@@manaspradhan8041 I mean, the 3990x has 64 cores and 128 threads compared to the Ultra's 20 of each. It also draws almost 5x as much power. I would hope the 3990x would score twice as much at an absolute minimum. Imagine you're at the gym and this huge roided out dude sits down and busts out 20 reps on the bench. But then, after he's done, this 5'6" , scrawny, middle-aged man who just left a PTA meeting sits down at the same bench and pumps out 10 reps of his own. Not only would people be more impressed by the dad, they'd probably start to question why the roids guy wasnt able to put up 5x as many reps. That's kind of my next point anyway, which is that the comparison between the two chips is pretty useless and unfair. Really, you should pick a chip that is closer to the M1 Utra is either specs, value, or both. the 3990X costs anywhere from $6k-9k, whereas the Ultra comes in a full package that's being sold for $4k. And this is Apple we're talking about; scroll down on this comment thread and you're guaranteed to find multiple people whining about Apple devices always being way overpriced. The point is, I wouldn't pull up on you in a Ferrari and make fun on your Supra for being slow. Keep in mind, all I was saying originally was that Apple's silicon ended up being a lot more powerful than you seemed to predict. Given they didn't release anything that's close to being a direct comparison on paper, we have to extrapolate based on the performance of the chips they did release. And if the highest-end example of their 1st generation of silicon is anything to go off of, it seems pretty clear they would have no problem producing something that would absolutely demolish something like the 3990X. Their M1 line is extremely impressive and has received near universal praise for a reason. It's ok to admit Apple did something right every once-in-a-while
they might have the best chips NOW, but considering that Apple were making this for a long time, they probably weren't better when Apple were considering the specs of this machine
Finally someone reviewing apple pro system from print design perspective. Even though it was for few seconds, it was satisfying to see someone comment about InDesign performance. Catalina had just about broken the preview mode, until the recent update.
We put that in to be extra transparent, but the VPN is a corporate hardwired connection between the office the Verge is in and the New York Magazine offices down the street. And Stevie mostly works with image files in InDesign, so we didn't think the network was the bottleneck.
@@jasperfredrickson4420 We wouldn't have put it in the video if we didn't feel like it was fair to take that away. But we're also pretty confident that our corporate network is, you know, operational.
Now that's a review! Letting the people who would actually work with it, try it out and ask them how they feel about using it for professional work. On top of that really well narrated and unbiased. Good job!
A guy using 8 tracks and no VI's, sample libraries or CPU heavy plug-ins in a DAW is most definitely not the target demographic when it comes to pro audio.
Sooooo glad you guys lined up a head-to-head with a Threadripper. Super well-done video. Awesome of you to line up all the "pros" to test the new "Pro" - loved it!
Seems worse than my ancient CCFL based NEC PA302W. That Brightness Fall Off on the edges and noticeable colour shift, I haven't seen that on any decent IPS display in the past decade. That's a weird way to Fail.
@Nilay Paten, absolutely great review. Haven't seen such a professional review in a long time. The fact that you reached to the other professionals and we heard their part of the story is a huge insight.
The issue with After Effects described in 4:34 is because "adaptive resolution previewing" is enabled, to turn it off click on the little rectangle with the lightening bolt at the bottom of the comp panel and turn it off.
Jesus! This is the best review I've seen in a loooong time. More real world professionals reviewing tech asap please! Really gives you some perspective. The current review trends, just seem to end in "new is always better" and everybody needs the newest highest spec Mac Book Pro. But the truth is - most really don't. Even professionals. Cannot count how many times I've had to tell photographers to save money on highly specced laptops and desktops and instead buy some decent lenses. Thats where they'll see the difference. You can run most photo workflows on pretty basic modern laptops.
Yep my 3900x outscores the Xeon w 3245 in this machine in Cinebench R20, 7081 to their 6849. The Xeon is a nearly $2,500 part on its own. You could buy 5 of my cpu for that.
4:55 -- that's not a reflection of the Mac Pro's performance but a setting in After Effects that she can turn off so that the preview window updates without using a low res proxy
I want to see them put the memory in the wrong slots, install a radiator without fans, ice the CPU like a cake, and remind us all that the PSU goes on insulated pads so it doesn't electrocute you when it touches the case. They could call it a how-to video
You have all of these video editing professionals and the only audio professinal you could get was a podcast editor? He could do his work on an entry level MacBook Pro 13“. I completely agree with you on the video editing capabilities of this machine but I think you left out a major group of audio professionals (Music Producer, Mixing/Mastering engineers, etc). They can really use a lot of the CPU power with their software plugins, really benefit from the loudness of the Mac Pro and they can tell you about how audio drivers on MacOS are infinitely better than on Windows.
its not really the fault of Adobe but they have to develop their software to support Intel CPU and AMD GPU on macs and also develop the same software to run on intel/AMD CPUs on windows and also AMD/NVIDIA on windows , its alot to do
They don’t care. I use photoshop with windows 8.1 and I can’t get some parts to work because they don’t want to adapt their software to that version of window. Smh.
Le Chat Botté of course but while gpu-side metal/cuda etc actually need a graphic engine update, cpu side we now have 4-8 and now 16 core on consumer products and they still have a limited multi-thread scalability. The problem is that they should have done a major restructuring of their software 5 years ago when the migrate everything to CC. Now Affinity suites, Da Vinci resolve, Final Cut Pro, Blender etc are on another level performance-wise. Premiere only last year was updated to metal and we have seen the difference. But it still does not use cpu at full.
Bravo. This is a proer review, by real users. Not just benchmarks and comparisons with other products I have no idea about. Gives a much better, rounded opinion that might tell me whether i need a product or not. The Mac Pro is not even in my radar btw, but reviews would be soooo much better if they were this deep.
You missed the biggest variable - storage...actually the first designer touched on it and mentioned working off a server OVER a VPN. Right there you can just throw out any comparison and testing. Also, in AE there is something called Fast Previews, which was probably set to adaptive (4:48) Should've set this to Final and see the results...
@Aaron Thomas its not really the fault of Adobe but they have to develop their software to support Intel CPU and AMD GPU on macs and also develop the same software to run on intel/AMD CPUs on windows and also AMD/NVIDIA on windows , its alot to do
Well, i'm happy with my Mac Pro. I got the 16-core processor as well. 96GB of ram and the new W5700X GPU. I also got 8TB SSD internal storage. I had a Mac Pro 6-core 2013 and i can tell you, my new Mac Pro screams! I of course, use Apple Apps, so that might be a reason. I use logic pro X and final cut pro x. But i also use some adobe apps like photoshop, illustrator, lightroom and dreamweaver. For me, everything is working great! I seriously wonder how The Verge's Mac Pro would be today with the software updates we got.
What would you use the Mac Pro for?
Chrome.
Grate my cheese
Just Some Guy without a Mustache Yawn 🥱 that is so old and unfunny now.
David Jacobs
what is with your obsession towards moustaches?
Programming
"Adobe, Go faster" said every designer ever. This video review is just straight fire. Good job Verge.
its not really the fault of Adobe but they have to develop their software to support Intel CPU and AMD GPU on macs and also develop the same software to run on intel/AMD CPUs on windows and also AMD/NVIDIA on windows , its alot to do
Le Chat Botté literally what every other creative platform or just software developer has to do in general...
@@carholic-sz3qv they could simply adopt Metal for hardware acceleration and it would make a lot of things blazingly fast. You can edit a 4K video in Final Cut on a 12" MacBook with a Core m3 yet somehow Adobe's software still chugs on Macs with beastly GPUs...
@@bolttracks The problem is maintaining all that different codebase everytime you do an update. Developers tend to try to unify the codebase as much as they possibly can. So whenever there is something that is cross platform they will chose that over a platform specific thing.
So for a big company as Adobe where hundreds of new features are added all the time they would do that to avoid chaos behind the scenes. But yeah the disadvantage to this can be poor optimisation on one platform
Anesu C somehow, the people writing DaVinci Resolve don’t seem to have that problem...
This was excellent. Professionals sharing their workflow experience is enormously more useful to me than abstract benchmark scores or a UA-cam personality giving their out-of-the-box impressions. Way to be a cut about the rest, Verge. Your team continues to impress.
exaactly way more valuable.
Completely agree. Fantastically informative piece. Thank you!
Jonathan morrison did it first
Agreed. The Verge's unique approach to their reviews and exceptional quality of content is what hooked me as a fan of theirs years ago, and keeps me coming back to this day.
They are professional 2d/video ARTISTS and they don't use the machine to the fullest. Instead, you could put a rookie 3d render and see the difference instantly, and you don't need to be a pro.
It's not about the tool. It's about what you can do with that tool.
-Johnny Sins
This sins guy seems spiritual is he some spiritual leader?
@@pratham69_ I bet he is or was. He likes to switch between jobs, actually.
Ahhh Sir Johnny Sins. I mean Captain Johnny Sins. No no i mean Dr. Johnny Sins.
Yassir Rossel that totally make sense ! Thanks for the quote
A handy tool makes a handy man. - Confucius People say stuff all the time. Everything makes sense when it comes from a famous person.
Really appreciate finding a way to making this review stand out from the pack. Focusing on workflows rather than just speeds and feeds (which are still fun) is so much more illuminating, especially on a real pro machine. Would have also liked to see the iMac Pro thrown in there for fun, but seeing the Threadripper comparison was great!.
I like that they still included the benchmarks tho!
Agreed this review was great from a business standpoint
What if the Mac Pro reviewed 6 professionals
Ofc your here
it this russia?
The Mac Pro would tell them they are amateurs that couldn’t afford a fully spec’d version.
We might not get that for a while...
@@recardolugg8631 ofc.???
The problem with Adobe is that everyone in the industry uses it, so you’re expected to use it if you do anything creative
I hate that you can't own the software, its a subscription
Zaafar Jat fun fact, they don’t teach Premiere as the best NLE editor at film schools (at least ASU). At the highest level (Hollywood films) Premiere still isn’t used over other programs. It’s just the most capable, accessible, community backed, and affordable (for students) so it reigns
TyRee Becker you can buy it
You are just not correct
@@AlecGalicia DaVinci Resolve is more affordable (0$) and it runs circles around Premiere…
Steve Jobs was right when he said Adobe are lazy, the free version of Resolve wipes the floor with Premiere. The problem with Resolve is that it’s project files don’t integrate into short form graphics workflows because they’re not not finder/desktop compatible. So silly.
This could easily be fixed in Resolve 17 tho, if BMD fixes that along with motion keyframes there's literally no reason to use Premiere
It's a different workflow, agreed. Though using a central database for projects also make sense, especially with multiple workstations and artists.
@@periskop Agreed it's not either/or. For lots of 15sec-30sec jobs, we used Premiere, a file server and 4 people with no problems. Being able to save a project file into the file system doesn't break anything because the desktop is already a database. The Resolve system forces a kind of 'database within a database' situation which means you can't copy/manage/backup/move anything from the desktop which is unnecessary.
Summary: Adobe is slow
This is what most people aren't realizing or what the professionals aren't stating or are oblivious to.
Adobe is slow on Mac
Emmanuel Irizarry on Mac... adobe seriously needs to update their apps , I was about to buy photoshop on iPad😳
Literally every tech UA-camr telling that mac pro is only for pro professionals.
Someone makes video on mac pro
Normal people: Aight I'mma watch this video.
Fwjwng Wary yeah right I could have saved 15 min lol
There's not a developer alive that needs a Mac Pro. Maybe a *company* needs one for CI, but no.
I'm still curious, especially to hear from aforementioned pros like in this video.
@@godofbiscuitssf seriously, as a developer the iMac Pro becomes unreasonable for me at higher specs.
@@godofbiscuitssf Speak for yourself. Just to connect 2 pro displays 6k XDRs I would. Also not everyone wants an iMac.
It's a bit wierd to hear an After Effects 'Professional" say their image gets pixelated. You can just turn off adaptive resolution and it's fixed :)
hahaha so true
I think they're trying to say that they wouldnt expect that to happen with a Mac Pro
I thought this same thing! It's not the computer! It's your setting! Pro.... Probably not.
Lol, my thought exactly. It's only "pixelated" because that's what you're telling the software to do. It amazes me that she didn't know that haha
Well After Effects is a single core application anyways so throwing more cores isn't going to make it faster. In fact, it will likely be slower since higher core count usually means lower single clock frequency.
No it's not a single core app! It's not optimised for big amount of cores and favours clock speed but it's not single core.
@@melomaniakjm Let me rephrase that, Ae only uses a single core for rendering (aside from GPU effects). Which when trying to playback ram previews that aren't cached yet is very slow. THey removed multi-core processing about 2 years ago in favor of moving forward with more GPU accelerated effects.
MOBOX Graphics people oversee this all the time. The hardware doesn’t match your workflow? Don’t buy it.
@@moboxgraphics What? No they didn't, there are some plug-ins and effects that effectively limit you in core-count.. but you can go ahead and press the render button on most projects nowadays and see a 4-6 core system hit near max CPU utilization. I'm not sure where you got that idea from. All they did was remove the previous system they had in place which was *only* a place-holder that would essentially run an equal number of AE render programs to **X** number of cores you had and then split the ram among the cores and render frames in X number of AE processes while the host process kept them all in order and composed them.
It was a stop-gap that left 98% of the job up to the operating system, and came about back when Core 2 arrived on the scene and was removed in favor of actual multicore processing, not multi-processor programs.
@@EleMenTfiNi Hmm there's a post on the Adobe forms from 2018 (look up "After Effects only uses one core" on google and it should be the first post). However, I also see Puget systems say it just doesn't scale well beyond a single core. Not sure which is correct, but what I do know, higher core count is not as valuable as single-core speed.
UA-cams idea of "Professionals" is so limited its laughable. At least say "Media Pros" or "TV Pros" or whatever. Where are all the other pros in all these videos? Programmers, engineers, scientists, game developers, architects, etc etc etc. I'm really sick of seeing video editing performance and photoshop!
Michael Garry exactly. Thank you. At most I feel these guys are creative professionals. I do Architectural visualization, and can say the more processing power you throw at rendering, the faster it renders. I’m guessing thats not how the adobe suite works, especially for the person working off a server via vpn
I guess they use windows? Most of the people that use Macs are the ones on this video.
Because that’s what “professional” means. One machine for everyone is not professional and impossible. You need different tools for different work. That’s professional.
@@May16Joe no, they use a mix of platforms including Macs. Those apps and games for iOS/Mac have to come from somewhere for example......
@@huan_huan No, that's not what "professional" means at all - it means getting paid for your skills/knowledge. A true "pro" machine is aimed at people who are using it fundamentally for work purposes - not leisure / media consumption. Its also meant to be a general purpose pro machine - but all we see are video editors and the occasional sound composer. Thats a very small percentage of the overall market.
I am impressed how the review is so straight forward no nonsense. It was worth my time even tho I wasn't buying MacPro
I find it crazy that people spend multiple thousand dollars on the best possible computer and then use the worst most uncomfortable mouse.
@@Natan9000 Logitech MX Master series works great in MacOS (has configurable gesture support) and it's super ergonomic too. I think they were just using the magic mouse cause it came with the Mac Pro.
@@PerplexedPhoton I have on my desk the MX Master 3 and the Magic Mouse both connected to my mac. Every day I use the MX less and less. Magic mouse just works so much better. I also find the smaller form factor far more comfortable.
Not the best possible compiter actually. This is just a glorified doorstop
ikr i never oped for the apple mouse ever when getting an imac, i just go with the trackpad and then get the logitecxh mx master 2s or 3s
"We kept the RAM at a modest amount"
96 GBs of RAM...
Well when compared to fully spec’d one they essentially have less than 10% of what’s possible. Yes this is modest
@@TheCEODon Well ofc that's the case, I'm just stating how ridiculous it sounds compared to what a regular consumer can afford
@@endornaut Sure, but this really isn't targeted at regular consumers. Besides, if you really wanted to, you could get 64 GB for under $300, which even a regular consumer could afford.
I want to have 1,024g of ram
That's a fairly modest amount for a workstation.
8:57 - the wobbling monitor stand was the most revealing thing in this video. It did not even occurred to me to try this at a store because of the assumption I hold that you pay for overkill stability and leveling..
It is worth noting, (I believe, at least) that the wobbling stand is an endemic "feature", not a one-off QC issue.
The „wobbling“ is to adapt to uneven desk surfaces which a lot of people have. Its a basic feature on every monitor that has an adaptable stand and is expected behaviour in a professional monitor.
Well, it's not wobbling, when they have their hand moving it around, is it? You have never used a monitor that rotates, have you?
•••••• I know you are trolling, but that's not the point. It should magnetically snap into a given orientation and stay leveled by itself. You should not need to level it by yourself.
4:58 Does she not know about turning adaptive resolution off?
6:10 Is Adobe ever optimized for anything? There is Affinity.
Bought one to replace my 5,1. It's an amazing computer, excellent built quality, extremely silent and just feels absolutely great to have it next to me. Speed wasn't the main goal for me more having a new modular Mac to hold all my drives and leaves me room for further expandability for the next 10 years. I just love it, it's a beauty.
A B but the verge is losing money hand over fist and can’t afford to spec this machine correctly!
M2 Mac Pro steps into the room. Lol
4:46 Thats probably an problem with the app not the computer
So your pros all work with Adobe and Adobe hasn’t optimised yet. Not the full story of what Pros do. It’s one subset of them. If you got Pros from many different industries with different programs this review would be a lot better.
if that was to happen (adobe optimising their software) it would give life to previous generation of machines (such as dual cpu HP z series machine which will cost a fraction of the price of the mac)
i personally can't see it happening - adobe have crappy development teams.
We use the workstation iMac Pro for video editing and 3D modeling, works absolutely perfect, very satisfied.
Premiere’s processing engine is totally outdated, rendering and exporting takes absolutely forever even with powerful workstations, it’s ridiculous.
Final Cut Pro X and Resolve are way faster and much better optimized, these are definitely the way to go, it’s not even close.
Greetings.
""I was working of a server via VPN" WTF ?
MisterX lol
I know some who had to do that to get into his company server, but he also works remotely so it's different. In an office there should really be a direct connection...
In next week's stories: The Verge inadvertently catches a corporate spy
" it felt slow" could you maybe say how long the render took so we can guess how you felt
ha ha ha, same thoughts :)
"felt slow" was about overall performance of the system, not heavy tasks
The one mentioning blur sounds like a bug, which is the point they were making: the software isn't designed to use a Mac Pro (yet?)
@@descendency not a bug, its a setting in the program. I think they were trying to say that they didnt expect the pixelation to turn on with the hardware the pro has.
This was an amazing idea for how to review the Mac Pro for different types of creatives... Thank you Verge team!
Yeah the game of thrones professionals have a 16k budget for their machines..... sure.....
Engineers are always forgotten in all these UA-cam videos about professionals 😢
Same to Architects, yet I think we can really benefit from these sort of machines
Alejandro Cotilla engineers aren’t the target market and mostly wont be using a Mac Pro for their work. 🤷♂️
@@liquidmark5081 To be honest most of my software isn't even available for Mac (science/eng)
I wish we had some engineers at our company who could have made use of this machine! Our product team told me that almost all of their work compiles in the cloud when I asked if they wanted to participate in this review :(
EnhancedNightmare ya. Unless you run boot camp. When I think of Apple, I don’t think “hey! Science and engineering!”.
4:49 how was the performance with adaptive resolution turned off though?
This ^^
Yeah, this has nothing to do with the hardware. That's a software feature.
Just saw this after posting the same comment. This is 100% correct!
Sorry for the delay on the answer here - we went back and talked it over. Basically, Estelle tried it with adaptive resolution on and off, and the performance with it off wasn't good enough to let her work as normal, so she flipped it back on. We didn't want to make this already-long video longer by explaining the setting, so we just got to the point. But rest assured it was tested both ways.
Nilay Patel good to know. Thanks for taking the time to respond!
One of the best reviews I've seen so far on the Mac Pro. I definitely feel that Apple will need to make the switch to AMD at some point soon. And for the moment, it might take some more time and user pressure before Adobe start to optimise their software for this computer... But hopefully with the modularity, this Mac Pro will still be relevant in 5-10 years time (unlike the last one). Thanks for the great work putting this together!
Well there are rumours that they are going to introduce their own chipset for a MacBook this year
@@Nik6644 well yeah but these are probably going to be arm chips. Might make the MacBooks super powerful and efficient (literally make intel obsolete efficient)but they still won't hold a candle to the high end x86 processors like the 3970x and 3990x
@@manaspradhan8041 well this aged like milk lol
@@realwiggles does your milk age like wine? The 3990x's scores twice as much as the m1 ultra on cinebench
@@manaspradhan8041 I mean, the 3990x has 64 cores and 128 threads compared to the Ultra's 20 of each. It also draws almost 5x as much power. I would hope the 3990x would score twice as much at an absolute minimum. Imagine you're at the gym and this huge roided out dude sits down and busts out 20 reps on the bench. But then, after he's done, this 5'6" , scrawny, middle-aged man who just left a PTA meeting sits down at the same bench and pumps out 10 reps of his own. Not only would people be more impressed by the dad, they'd probably start to question why the roids guy wasnt able to put up 5x as many reps.
That's kind of my next point anyway, which is that the comparison between the two chips is pretty useless and unfair. Really, you should pick a chip that is closer to the M1 Utra is either specs, value, or both. the 3990X costs anywhere from $6k-9k, whereas the Ultra comes in a full package that's being sold for $4k. And this is Apple we're talking about; scroll down on this comment thread and you're guaranteed to find multiple people whining about Apple devices always being way overpriced. The point is, I wouldn't pull up on you in a Ferrari and make fun on your Supra for being slow.
Keep in mind, all I was saying originally was that Apple's silicon ended up being a lot more powerful than you seemed to predict. Given they didn't release anything that's close to being a direct comparison on paper, we have to extrapolate based on the performance of the chips they did release. And if the highest-end example of their 1st generation of silicon is anything to go off of, it seems pretty clear they would have no problem producing something that would absolutely demolish something like the 3990X.
Their M1 line is extremely impressive and has received near universal praise for a reason. It's ok to admit Apple did something right every once-in-a-while
Funny how so many would want this to use AMD CPUs and Nvidia GPUs, both the opposite of the only choices you have.
AMD has the best cpu right now
Apple: let's use intel!
Nvidia has best gpus
Apple: let's use AMD 🥴🥴🥴
$$$$$
@@MasterAppels Not even close. Try again?
Xbox series X and PS5 are going AMD too
they might have the best chips NOW, but considering that Apple were making this for a long time, they probably weren't better when Apple were considering the specs of this machine
Amd has the best pro graphics
One of the best Mac pro reviews. Excellent job, Verge.
Finally someone reviewing apple pro system from print design perspective. Even though it was for few seconds, it was satisfying to see someone comment about InDesign performance. Catalina had just about broken the preview mode, until the recent update.
This was an awesome review. Real work by real professionals. Awesome work Verge Team
Wohh verge is back with an old golden review thanks man
Apparently using 96 GB of RAM is a "modest amount of RAM"... **BWWWWWHAHAHAHAHA**
It is modest for the kind of work they do.
if you're a pro, 128 is pretty standard. If you're making videos in your bedroom, then yeah it's a lot.
Good grief calm down and consider that you might not know everything. Some professionals need at least 256gb just to do day to day stuff.
I mean 3D rendering is ram hungry.
Shows how much you know . . . I'd max out and bottleneck on 96 GB of RAM alone, just video editing, which is why 256GB is my baseline.
Best review I've seen online about this Mac PRO
4:00 - Working off a VPN to test Mac Pro performance?? Y'all...
We put that in to be extra transparent, but the VPN is a corporate hardwired connection between the office the Verge is in and the New York Magazine offices down the street. And Stevie mostly works with image files in InDesign, so we didn't think the network was the bottleneck.
Haha fail
@@reckless1280 Hint: It was.
@@jasperfredrickson4420 We wouldn't have put it in the video if we didn't feel like it was fair to take that away. But we're also pretty confident that our corporate network is, you know, operational.
@@reckless1280 By using a VPN / virtual machine you are using the servers processing power, and don't utilize the mac CPU
Now that's a review!
Letting the people who would actually work with it, try it out and ask them how they feel about using it for professional work.
On top of that really well narrated and unbiased. Good job!
Wow a Mac Pro being review by the target demographic. Amazing
by starbucks customers?
@@jimjon2855 Bruh. We out here thinking all mac users are the people who go to starbucks to watch tiktoks
I know, right? Super rare given almost everything says "all that power isnt needed also muh games"
Just guys who make complex memes.
A guy using 8 tracks and no VI's, sample libraries or CPU heavy plug-ins in a DAW is most definitely not the target demographic when it comes to pro audio.
Sooooo glad you guys lined up a head-to-head with a Threadripper.
Super well-done video. Awesome of you to line up all the "pros" to test the new "Pro" - loved it!
I would prefer actual users reviewing technology. This is incredibly refreshing. Great review.
This is one of the most thoughtful reviews I have ever watched. Thanks for taking the time to put this together!
Would not change my Eizo for that XDR
Seems worse than my ancient CCFL based NEC PA302W. That Brightness Fall Off on the edges and noticeable colour shift, I haven't seen that on any decent IPS display in the past decade. That's a weird way to Fail.
So that's were my cheese grater went.
Imagine Mac pro use Threadripper 64 core 🔥🔥🔥
Best review I have seen about the Mac Pro! I think the UA-cam influencers should have sat this one out...
I like the cheese grater design, can Apple make their next model to be reminiscent of a toaster oven?
@Nilay Paten, absolutely great review. Haven't seen such a professional review in a long time. The fact that you reached to the other professionals and we heard their part of the story is a huge insight.
6:12 - The BIG News: "None of the Adobe Software is optimized to use that GPU"
Literally the first honest and logical video I've ever seen on UA-cam 👌
that wasn't even threadrippers final form, the 3990x would double cores and still cost less than the mac pro...
It’s great to see Nilay back in a review video!
Impressed with this review. I appreciate you actually bringing in additional perspectives of real users.
The issue with After Effects described in 4:34 is because "adaptive resolution previewing" is enabled, to turn it off click on the little rectangle with the lightening bolt at the bottom of the comp panel and turn it off.
The best Mac Pro review so far. Not sure who got more burnt: Apple or Adobe 🤔
Jesus! This is the best review I've seen in a loooong time. More real world professionals reviewing tech asap please! Really gives you some perspective. The current review trends, just seem to end in "new is always better" and everybody needs the newest highest spec Mac Book Pro. But the truth is - most really don't. Even professionals. Cannot count how many times I've had to tell photographers to save money on highly specced laptops and desktops and instead buy some decent lenses. Thats where they'll see the difference. You can run most photo workflows on pretty basic modern laptops.
Intel really dropped the ball with their CPUs, Apple can't be happy with the performance they are getting.
That's why they want to ditch Intel and make their own. ARM still has a ways though.
9:35 Are the colors consistent in viewing different angles on Apple 6K XDR display? 10:09 "The viewing angle color is completely off"
I was out after you guys started testing through a VPN. Could have used a $149 Chromebook at that point.
Apple: How much PRO do you need?
The verge: YES
Thanks for this review, it covered some angles that I haven’t seen before and was quite well put together.
This is honesty the best Mac Pro review I’ve seen!
AMD is my new love.
Yep my 3900x outscores the Xeon w 3245 in this machine in Cinebench R20, 7081 to their 6849. The Xeon is a nearly $2,500 part on its own. You could buy 5 of my cpu for that.
Gotta say I appreciated the approach here, makes me want to look into more of this channels content
This is quality content. Good job Verge!
Hats off to the verge, genuinely useful content here. Special hats off to those behind the camera and down the hall rendering to a deadline!
That Threadripper looked like something from 2005. I'm sure for that money you could get a better case and quieter fans.
It's built for work not to look pretty.
@@BrieoRobino I mean you can invest $140 into an NZXT H710 and a few noctua fans.
The system would look pretty damn good and be as quiet too (*ﾉ・ω・)ﾉ♫
I like how you included other groups. great job.
First ten seconds of this review though.... so good
fr, they make it seem like an apple ad lol
4:55 -- that's not a reflection of the Mac Pro's performance but a setting in After Effects that she can turn off so that the preview window updates without using a low res proxy
13:30 is that "Activate your windows" caution there?
Love this review. Down to earth, real world use cases with real professionals. Good job Verge 💯💪
The Verge has reduced to a tabloid.
Thank you to everyone involved in these real-world practical testings. Y'all just saved me about $15000.
I want to see the Verge staff replace the GPU.
I want to see them put the memory in the wrong slots, install a radiator without fans, ice the CPU like a cake, and remind us all that the PSU goes on insulated pads so it doesn't electrocute you when it touches the case. They could call it a how-to video
The Pro device review should be like this. Thanks to The Verge!
You have all of these video editing professionals and the only audio professinal you could get was a podcast editor? He could do his work on an entry level MacBook Pro 13“.
I completely agree with you on the video editing capabilities of this machine but I think you left out a major group of audio professionals (Music Producer, Mixing/Mastering engineers, etc).
They can really use a lot of the CPU power with their software plugins, really benefit from the loudness of the Mac Pro and they can tell you about how audio drivers on MacOS are infinitely better than on Windows.
The Verge awesome work guys! SMOOOOOOTH! Nilay - you're a star!
Any chance Adobe Team is listening here?
its not really the fault of Adobe but they have to develop their software to support Intel CPU and AMD GPU on macs and also develop the same software to run on intel/AMD CPUs on windows and also AMD/NVIDIA on windows , its alot to do
They don’t care. I use photoshop with windows 8.1 and I can’t get some parts to work because they don’t want to adapt their software to that version of window. Smh.
They listened, then they de-optimize the software...that’s a joke
@@carholic-sz3qv yes and looking at Mac user base compared to Windows user base. Mac is decimated so their choices are clear.
Le Chat Botté of course but while gpu-side metal/cuda etc actually need a graphic engine update, cpu side we now have 4-8 and now 16 core on consumer products and they still have a limited multi-thread scalability. The problem is that they should have done a major restructuring of their software 5 years ago when the migrate everything to CC. Now Affinity suites, Da Vinci resolve, Final Cut Pro, Blender etc are on another level performance-wise. Premiere only last year was updated to metal and we have seen the difference. But it still does not use cpu at full.
This is the gold standard for what I would want from a tech review. You guys hit this out of the park.
Finally I can grate my cheese in palpable FPS
Bravo. This is a proer review, by real users. Not just benchmarks and comparisons with other products I have no idea about. Gives a much better, rounded opinion that might tell me whether i need a product or not. The Mac Pro is not even in my radar btw, but reviews would be soooo much better if they were this deep.
“You’re looking at it wrong” ~ Apple
Wrong people are using it
-Apple
You missed the biggest variable - storage...actually the first designer touched on it and mentioned working off a server OVER a VPN. Right there you can just throw out any comparison and testing. Also, in AE there is something called Fast Previews, which was probably set to adaptive (4:48) Should've set this to Final and see the results...
Seems like the issues here are with Adobe 🤔
@Aaron Thomas its not really the fault of Adobe but they have to develop their software to support Intel CPU and AMD GPU on macs and also develop the same software to run on intel/AMD CPUs on windows and also AMD/NVIDIA on windows , its alot to do
One of the best review videos seen in months!!!👍👍👍
that C4D guy really needs an Octane...come on Verge.
4:48 It pixelates when you move a frame. because your into adaptive mode in after effects. change its to full res, and your good to go..
I don't think I'm Pro enough to watch this review. Great vid btw.
I’d be keen to see a follow up video from The Verge to see if software has been optimised for the Mac Pro
Man y'all gon' piss Jonathan Morrison off 😄
Island cooking with Denise didn’t he bring in professional as well... like wow way to steal an idea @verge
Accurate and Honest review of Mac Pro ever.
Good report, thanks. However, it appears you recorded your talk with auto-out-of-focus. Please use a dedicated video camera with manual control.
Well, i'm happy with my Mac Pro. I got the 16-core processor as well. 96GB of ram and the new W5700X GPU. I also got 8TB SSD internal storage. I had a Mac Pro 6-core 2013 and i can tell you, my new Mac Pro screams! I of course, use Apple Apps, so that might be a reason. I use logic pro X and final cut pro x. But i also use some adobe apps like photoshop, illustrator, lightroom and dreamweaver. For me, everything is working great! I seriously wonder how The Verge's Mac Pro would be today with the software updates we got.
4:43 Try disabling "Adaptive Resolution" in the viewport toolbar to fix this :)
Mentioned above but we tested it both ways; she ended up with it on because that it was more effective to work with it on.
@@reckless1280 Thanks for taking the time to respond Nilay. It makes sense that might be a bit out of the scope of this video.
But did the power supply come into contact with the case and short circuit the system?
All reviewers be like: I hate apple it’s slow and expensive but I will buy one and everyone in the office is using one. LOL 😂
4:45 that's not the mac's fault that's adaptive resolution setting under the viewport that can be turned off and it will not happen