I'm surprised they didn't offer a 'Studio stand' with cutouts allowing you to place the Mac Studio on the base of the stand and thread all the cables through it... for $399 extra dollars
Apple marketing logic: "We don't send chargers with the iPhones anymore, because of environmental reasons." "If your power cable breaks, you have to send in the whole thing!" (I would even consider myself a fan boy. But some stuff they do makes me puke. It's just greedy.)
Maybe it's the green agenda that resulted in this decision. Thoughts go like this: Because previously they said power cables were not included due to waste concerns, this monitor they made it permanently attached in case someone tried to call them out for including a power cable. "But it's permanently attached, we had to include it!" 🤦
I have a 10 year old Thunderbolt Display on my desk, the power cable is in perfect condition (as are the other cables, which are known to crack). I've never had to disconnect it from the back of the monitor, even when moving the monitor between office and home and back.
Yes it is after all consider your a new Mac user in the U.K. and you purchases the top of the range Mac Studio for example for £3999 and get it home only to find that all you get in the bus is the computer and a power cable. You them go back to the apple store and to get a screen, stand, trackpad, keyboard, mouse and of course they then force you into purchasing the apple care, so that’s another £2065 (for the basic screen and stand) you have to pay and nearly £3000 if you want top of the range. What a rip off…
I think Apple fixed all of what they consider mistakes from the last display. Removable cable, removable stand, vesa mounting, any user repairability or customizability that might have snuck through
@@reginaldbowls7180 their user repair program is as good as banging your head against the wall, this has been proven by pro repair technicians over and over again
I love how he's avoiding "It's not a good deal" so hard and I was almost angry that he's so diplomatic, just to end the video with "No, it's not a good deal.". :D
Yeah I was so irritated by the lengths he was going to to make excuses for Apple. Like you can make those same excuses about any terrible product... But then he finally admitted at the end that it's not a good deal.
The nonremovable power cable is absolutely absurd. They actually went out of their way, and spent R&D money, to design a new, worse cable when they already had multiple options for something good.
@@sys-administrator Just like iMac? an already working design? Or like literally every other monitor in the past decade? I can't remember any monitor other than old CRTs having non removable cable
@@sys-administrator The option to remove and - if need be - replace it without having to take the entire monitor to an Apple store which around here requires an appointment and a couple hours of my valuable time. How would I have designed it? I would not have too. Because it has already been done. In fact Apple has done it. They actually went out of their way to make it harder on their customers. Wow. Design can have value..... Poor design can destroy it.
they definitely just want more people signing up for apple care. somehow just using a proprietary connector that allows the monitor to be extra thin wasn't enough because that would mean people could just buy a new or used cable and not have to pay apple to swap it out.
The fact that the M1 iMac 24in with a 4.5k display exist for $1,300, which is a full computer makes this a terrible deal. I was at an apple store and my sister said "So this display is more than that computer? That makes no sense".
As a professional photographer & filmmaker considering this product for my production team, this definitely helped me make the decision to NOT move forward on picking this "studio" monitor up yet. You made great points on the features that you'd expect in 2022 for the price range....and Apple has delivered an underwhelming product on this one. If you have a bunch of cash to burn, this might be a fun purchase. Otherwise, you can move the needle for you and your business a lot more by investing the same money towards something else.
I'm running windows. I ordered the Asus PA32UCR-K and should have it by the end of this week. Its essentially the cheaper version of the UCX. I couldn't find any reviews of it, so will see how it goes. I just hope the quality is great all around. The specs looked great given that I won't be doing much gaming. Mini led, HDR1000, almost 100% coverage of the core gamuts (sRGB, Adobe RGB, DCI-P3), very accurate, etc. Hopefully the lack of reviews mean everyone is busy being productive with it.
@@the_irav The only Eizo I could find that was close to having equivalent specifications as the Studio Display is the Eizo CG2700X. It's 4k instead of 5k and maximum brightness is a little lower, but it does have built-in hardware calibration and that hood would be useful. However, it is twice the price of Apple's Studio Display. The Eizo would look good on my desk, but work wouldn't pay for it 😕
I think sometimes they just intentionally make some aspect of their product design completely ridiculous just to get free exposure and coverage. Because the monitor is otherwise so unremarkable, it has ended up being the most talked about aspect of the device.
@@diverman1023 not only did they decide not to use it, they went out and spent money to develop, test and build a completely different (bad) solution. This didn‘t save them money, it cost them money, that is the insane part.
It seems like Apple is testing what people are willing to pay for at this point… the fact that it costs nearly the same as an iMac 5k did is laughable.
Idk how it would be a thing for other people tho, the person could just make a faux metal finish frame for a display instead of buying the Apple studio display and I don’t think any Apple user could complain about not having 5k over 4K considering they would go for mini leds instead.
@@epicmusic9029 We absolutely would complain about not having 5K over 4K. We don't have ClearType like on Windows. MacOS doesn't scale well bellow 200% like Windows does. Text on a 4K screen looks much worse than it would on Windows.
The old 27" iMac retailed for $1799 and had the same identical panel (just a 500 nits instead of 600) as the Studio display which costs $1599. For an extra $200 you got an entire computer plus keyboard and mouse. The price of the Studio display is ridiculous, shouldn't be more than $1000.
exactly, you know they're making even more money off of this than the iMac FOR SURE and they're hoping their fans just eat it up. And honestly? A lot of them are. I've seen way too many "this is such a good monitor oh my god" videos considering just how bad this monitor actually is. They usually have really weird conditions about what is good and what is bad like plastic makes a monitor unusable, if it's not 5k instead of 4k it looks pixelated lol. It takes a real weirdo to really prefer this monitor above other options
@@EricLS They really should've given it like...Apple TV capabilities or something. For it to have an A13 and 64GB of storage onboard and not be able to do that standalone is ridiculous
that ending was actually hilarious when he looks us straight in the eye and says "yea.....its not a good deal" LOL I cannot believe people actually call him an Apple fanboy. He is objective. He doesn't tell you to buy it, he just tells his experience. Love it
Absolutely correct. I can see why people think he's one but if you look through the past, Marques has had a OnePlus and a Pixel as his daily driver before they went insane and buggy respectively. He also criticised the macbooks until the M1 line-up showed up. I have never owned any apple products myself but i can see Marques is just looking for a good experience and boy apple is good at it.
He's still an apple fanboy..... He's just not part of the isheep crowd. Just because he's not scared to criticize Apple, doesn't make him less a fanboy. Just means he's realistic in his expectations and about his experiences with their products.
@@aaronthomas6155 Exactly. Just because I'm a avid fan of a certain football team doesn't mean I'm not going to yell at the TV when they do something stupid. Lol
@@aaronthomas6155 I mean that isn’t the term for it just fairly reviewing stuff doesn’t make him a fanboy also he uses the products because he likes them and are good so really he is just an apple user
The LG is literally only $300 cheaper and it’s built way more on the cheap with it being fully plastic with no metal or glass. Plus, when you watch videos side by side, the Studio Display has way better color accuracy and contrast. So yeah, it’s the same thing for $300, and that extra $300 is used to make an inherently better display and experience.
Update, My Studio Display blew up yesterday, belching smoke for 6 minutes before a final loud bang. Only lasted 18 months, very scary failure and I did get it on video. Posted pictures of the failure on my community tab and what to look out for before this failure. I can't post a video because I now have no display
I love the brutal honesty in this one! 👊🏻 Without ProMotion and mini LED, it’s a hard pass. And that’s a shame, because the monitor itself is beautifully designed. It’s a very “Apple” product, I suppose.
4K pro motion option with mini-LED would make more sense for a $1600 display to me but maybe that's asking too much? Spending $1000+ on a display in 2022 and seeing that terrible contrast rubs me the wrong way
With those two things alone, the money wouldn’t be able to fly out of my wallet fast enough. Seriously. I would pay the $1999 for the height adjustment ability and all.
@@NuggetsXInfinite the LG 4K 144hz display is the same brightness as this, has way higher frame rate, is similar in color accuracy, and does have support for hdr 600 and has local dimming. All for 800. This is a horrible deal in all but it being 5k and pretty looking.
Hate to disagree, but it’s an easy pass. So easy I’m not even thinking about it I’m just buying it. Yes you could buy the LG 5K monitor… But as I said in another comment, if you sneeze too hard it’ll shake rattle and roll. It’s built like crap. But if you can recommend a monitor to me that is way better than this monitor that isn’t made out of plastic crap… Please let me know so I can consider it.
Missed opportunity: Apple could have priced this at $2500 and sold the exact same number of units. Anyone crazy enough to spend $1600 would be crazy enough to spend $2500.
This video perfectly shows my main BIG problem with this monitor (and some other decisions apple made in the last years). Everything that stands out as particularly "great/good" are things that don't actually matter for the monitor as a monitor. Build quality, feel, a build in UI with a good chip, good speakers... all nice, but everything that matters for the actual product as a MONITOR is just not good enough for the price (and the add-on prices) Apple is asking for. Yes it feels good, but i almost never touch my monitor, yes it sounds good, but for a desktop i always use external speakers or headphones, yes it's well made (except the cable), but i never had a monitor breaking because it's plastic... what i actually want in a high standard productivity monitor is amazing peak brightness, a higher refresh rate for more pleasant reading and scrolling (let's be honest, gaming is not what apple is focussing on), an amazing panel with accurate colors and close to the best blacks and maybe some comfort features like tilt, swivel, height adjust and rotation if you don't put it on an arm... and none of that is what this monitor stands out for. It honestly feels like Apple spend tons of time and money to develope a shiny new product with lots of features, but failed to develope the core feature set to a point that actually feels well done. It's like a bog standard monitor with with some Apple-Glitter slapped on it.
Thanks for writing, so I don’t have to do it again - 100% with you on this one, the power Cable, yeah I get the point, but I never broke on, and if you buy 1600 worth of display pets should not be allowed in the room or trained well anyway. - Most likely it’ll be a work space. Bazels are something I might add. To bis for these days, and the hole display is do much, because of all the features I don’t wont. iPhone 11 had a small footprint, for being a phone, better cameras and a okay-ish speaker. Why the hell is that display so thick when the stuffed a whole computer in the iMac 27” and even less into the 24” inch?
cool, good for you. build quality isn’t important for everyone, just because it’s not for you doesn’t mean it’s not a good product. I’d prefer to have a better built product that lasts longer! ♻️
@@calebjankola8728 Great how you managed to completely misinterprete my comment... congratulations. I never said, and never will say that build quality isn't important. It definetly is, very much so. But this is not "better quality", it's more material waste without any other purpose than to "look good". It's a "good-enough" monitor for money you pay for a "very good" one, because it's shiny and cool. There are tons of monitors with less features and "worse" materials, which still have amazing lifespans, don't break, have replaceable stands and cables AND are much better monitors... and without a mediocre webcam, storage and a chip, a fixed cable and "good-enough" speakers that will end in a landfill once the monitor is dead. "♻" (if you honestly believe this product has to do anything with the environment and cycle lifespans you are dumb as bread, sorry) My complete comment was about Apple setting the wrong focus for too much money. I didn't say anything about quality or that i don't like the superb machining, but it's a dumb monitor. It failed to be the core product it's supposed to be, for materials and features that don't really matter.
Would love to know... But I guess, as always the answer is "it depends". What are your needs? I'm in doubt about waiting for a Dell 6k (hello Retina) or going for something OLED'ish.
Fun fact: the Studio Display can detect which orientation it’s in and switch the content to portrait automatically, but neither of the stands let you rotate it
@@olivert.7192 Nope. it's the normal, the height adjustable one or the vesa adapter. Interestingly, the normal and the vesa adapter cost the same here in UK and the if you go for Vesa, you'll have to get another stand to attach it. .
It's a monitor for Apple fans. If you open your options to non-Apple displays, there are so many capable options to choose from. Non-removable cable is not a thumbs down, it's silly.
No, it's not. Most Apple fans hate this monitor because it represents everything those who make fun of Apple, think Apple is. It just adds fuel to the fire.
I got a 27" IPS, 144hz display (with a stand!) for fucking 130€. I don't care how well Marques argues for 12 minutes, people who buy Apple products are getting robbed hard, and consenting through the whole thing.
Agreed. I run two Dell 27 inch curved monitors, both height adjustable, tiltable and easy to remove stand for a VESA mount. Both cost a combined $450. I get it, people who need color accuracy for their work cannot use what I'm running but Apple charging a premium for basic QoL features is robbery.
I have a Dell 27” Ultrasharp connected to my Mac Mini. Great quality and only $450. Oh it doesn’t have a webcam but a $70 webcam will fix that and honestly be the same quality.
Waiting for apple to make speakers with a non removable lightning cable and you will have to buy lightning to 3.5 mm jack or XLRs for additional 200 dollars.
The original homepod had the same cable situation -- you CAN pull the power cord out, but you SHOULDN'T. I wish it HAD a lightning cable or any wired way to get sound into the thing.
On the verge of QD-OLED and considering the utterly insane stand vs VESA mount stuff Apple does, this monitor is just an absolute joke. I feel like you should have been much more angry about the attached power cable too. It's just completely unacceptable.
Not for long, people will notice. For example. I am considering Linux, although I am a vivid Apple user from 2008 till now. Design is certainly nice, but the there are so manny other things I do not like.
@@aronbijl4109 The moment Adobe has Lightroom and PS for Linux I would be there in a heartbeat. MS and Apple have just become a basket of bad apples. :S
@@booradley3146 Indeed, Apple, MS became a basket of bad apples. I use an alternative to Adobe almost as good and way cheaper: Affinity Designer, Affinity Photo and Affinity Publisher
For this to be a good deal, I think it'd need to be 120 Hz (or higher), have height adjustment in the base model, a better camera (not necessarily an excellent one, but something better than that), and of course a removable power cord. Considering Apple's done all of this before I don't think that's a huge ask, it just needs to be put in one device
@@rodrigojds that’s how Apple operates. Churn out half finished hobbled garbage, next year the S version gets another essential feature that the competition had 5 years previously.
So basically replace everything "special " about it 😂😂😂. Might aswell cancel this product. it doesn't need to be 120hz , it either needs to be a better panel (brighter with better contrast) , and has to have basic vesa mount & cable not magsafe just a removable cable and stand . Every monitor I know of has a mounting mechanism , especially recent ones . Same with cables . They were better of powering this monitor with 5 lighting cables lol
I have this monitor for a few months now and it’s been great so far. Amazing colors, the brightness is really strong, good sound from the speakers. I do graphic design and it’s a very powerful tool.
I'm considering it, i can't find anything comparable in the market other than Huawei Mateview(weird ratio), LG price range isn't that far off apple display , plus it's a plastic case which is really ugly design.
I agree, I got this monitor 2 months ago over the LG Ultrafine 5K (which cost more in my country because it’s harder to find) and I love the colours so much
This has been my fundamental problem with Apple's design philosophy through the dark ages (butterfly keyboard era). They're intentionally choosing to under-design a product that _could_ be insanely competitive despite the fact that they'd still be able to line their pockets if they just made something better. Every power user is just going to be resentful of the limitations here despite them being the very demographic they're targeting. They finally made Macbook Pros a legitimately compelling product again, and this feels like a huge step backwards. How are they selling an _entire_ Macbook Pro with better screen tech for $2k and then turning around and selling this monitor for $1600? Their pricing/spec philosophy is conflicting with itself. Sure, it's a "nice" monitor overall, but the design decisions to get it here are clearly shady and minimally competitive. Ultimately, I hope this product fails so that Apple does better next time. $400 for a few inches of height adjustment? Get the absolute fuck outta here. Just _make a great monitor_ and charge the typical Apple price for it.
Issue is that they got halo product that are there to make lot of money, like the mentioned MacBook. Then they got this display that they know will not sell a lot and is just there to say that it exist, that use repurposed components from their others device. Like the 1000$ stand or wheels, this is a design statement and if some dumb rich minimalist buy it then that's an added bonus. We are there comparing price, they are just waiting for that one guy that only know one store, the apple store.
@Male Sensitivity the entire M1 lineup (at least the M1 macbook air and pro) have all been shockingly good value, or at least worth their price if used to their extent. This monitor simply does not meet expectations for a studio monitor in 2022 as Marques states. It fails to produce a display beyond the basics (60hz LCD IPS) excluding its 5k resolution.
@Male Sensitivity The stand(s) and power cable are blatant shortcomings that very clearly have profit-driven motives behind their design. They're 100% anti-consumer and sacrifice actual usability/flexibility in favor of predatory pricing and repair practices. You could argue that for almost any of their products to some degree, but the last few years have generally been an upswing for the value of their lineup. The new MBPs and iPad Air have been actual showstoppers, which makes this monitor feel that much more egregious by comparison.
Yeah Apple has a serious problem beliving it is a Botique design company. When it is a tech company that focues on making tech for non tech people. How ever it doesn't necerly wants to limit it's profit to the 1% it also wants their prices to be low enough for meanstream or even the poor in 1st world contries to buy them.... Basicly Apple has no real audence on paper yet it has Apple fans and are 1 of the reachest companies dispite their lack of focus.
For one all in one devices are always cheaper than getting separate devices (MacBook vs a display) The studio display is larger, brighter (600 vs 500) and pushing more pixels (5k vs 3k) The studio display isn't the new pro display. Hence why it doesn't have mini led.
I can’t agree more. You can get an iMac 24” with the same display technology with less money. *AND ITS A WHOLE COMPUTER WITH PROCESSOR KEYBOARD MOUSE AND STUFF*
This guy gets invited to apple events, gets exclusive interviews with people from apple and still has what it takes to give out genuine impressions about products like these!!! That is why he is my number 1 source for all tech related things!!
Thank you UA-cam algorithm for sending me Marques. Your reviews seem to be truly unbiased, sharing the good and bad in a very clear, concise way that I really enjoy. Well done sir!
For me, the 400$ stand convinced me to buy another monitor. Such a basic feature that's actually mandatory if you don't wanna develop health problems, should be included in the base version. Buying another, I discovered other monitors look like shit on Apple unless you trick the computer to think it's an Apple display through software. Nice.
Exactly the reason why I am “stuck” with Apple monitor. You really can’t go with other monitors (except the one approved by Apple, and even then it’s not the same crisp).
I might have actually been interested if that stand was included, even though it sounds contradictory to say that I'd probably rather have an updated and improved iMac 27" anyway (which is non-adjustable, height-wise). And that's partly because the all-in-one system is something of a statement piece, a bit of furniture almost, but mainly because it just looks neater. On that note, I think it's horrible the way you can see cables with the Studio Display if it has been lifted-up a little; couldn't they have supplied some kind-of clip that goes into that slot, to force the cables to route through the gap as high-up as possible?
I've never heard of people having to get apple displays with the monitor. I brought the 28 inch bezeless Samsung (no idea of the name) and it looks clean as fuck on my mac. I have just had to send it away because the ports in the back have become lose... typical Samsung cheap shit - but quality wise I wouldn't plug it into a mac vs pc and thing it looks worse. Never heard that one before
As someone who owned an Apple Thunderbolt Display with an unremovable cable, it gives anxiety to know such an expensive display also has one. The cable on mine deteriorated over time for no reason to a point where the display would constantly lose signal. Had to throw it away since it was out of warranty and the amount Apple was asking to fix it could be used to buy a non-Apple display brand new.
@@martinqizeaq Am Apple user. Instant buy for me. Literally as soon as they announced it I went to the app and preordered it and now staring at it while I type this comment. Best purchase, no regrets.
@@waterbiscuit9222 mini Led displays still show some teething issues (aside from its low yield), and mainstream OLED screens still suffer from ghosting and burn-ins specially for studio setups like this. I’m not sold on the Studio Display, but for this price range I’d say IPS would be the best choice.
After 1 year of owning two of these displays, I have to say they are the best displays I ever owned. In our office I am the only one with this display, others all have an HP panorama display that‘s about as expensive. Funny thing: Whenever I‘m in my HomeOffice my colleagues use my Apple display instead of their larger HP. I don’t know wether it’s because of the higher resolution (despite being smaller) or the better colors or the uniform lighting without light speckles or the joy of using a display that doesn’t wiggle whenever you touch the table. A solid aluminum display with an excellent screen seems to be worth something.
But HP's panoramic display is, you know, a panoramic display, it's an ultra-wide monitor, and Apple's one is not. And if you really have problems with monitor stability, you can try using a desk/wall mount, it will cost less than $400 and will allow you a wider range of position adjustment.
@@randomrandom7208 Our whole office is full of panoramic HP displays. And still… my coworkers prefer to use my smaller display. And my desk ist standing in the middle of the room, no way to use a mount.
@@HalixCH I wasn't trying to convince you that a panoramic display is better, I was just pointing out that it's an expensive feature (even if you don't really need it), so a direct comparison isn't entirely fair. And yes, no matter how good the desktop mount is, it is not a solution for all cases.
I don't even want to talk about how sad it is that Apple is ripping customers off just for simple features like an adjustable stand. When you can get OLED monitors for less than half the base price, anyone would have to be mad to buy this.
I have a half dozen coworkers who jizzed in their pants and ordered it the moment the store reopened. Their only justification: omg camera so good. KEK all reviews say it is trash.
The $1000 stand still ranks as one of the most “wtf” things apple has ever done. Unless the engineering on that thing rivals NASA’s tech, i don’t get it.
WOW. I am a fool for thinking that the adjustable factor came with the display..only for you to say its a $400 upgrade fee associated to have it do that..I'm floored lol. I highkey was thinking of getting this to add to my apple eco-system lol, but after watching this, I am definitely going to be thinking this over for a while. THANK YOU for your honest review!
The power cable doesn't come out the back... and the LG version has a removable power cable (standard IEC). I'd say the LG Ultra Fine is worth it for that alone.
While I think it’s dumb that it doesn’t come out, why does anyone care? It’s a desktop monitor that you’re not going to move. Why does it matter if it’s removable?
The power cable does apparently come out. Linus demonstrated it on a stream. Keep in mind he had to wrap it around his hand and they could feel the monitor housing bending but it did come out. It was a proprietary connector.... apparently Apple doesn't want you to remove them for some reason though.
Right? I don’t understand why people have to be so emotionally invested in objects. Like, if you want it, get it. Otherwise, move along. Having said that, i feel like someone is going to tell me how wrong i am.
@@HoldFastFilms stupid ass money is also a thing. For thousands of dollars you are giving us 480p shitcam. It's a joke. Your philosophy works for rich kids. Just want it get it lol. Rich kids are stupid don't know when you can get a lot better deal in less money. They just want to show off
His review seems so "people-pleaser-not-to-hurt-any-sentiments" kinda...it's annoying and honestly just not up to par..only the video quality keeps increasing
@@m_jade3602 yeah. It's annoying. If a product is bad just say it's shit. Why u gotta stretch it. I get it he's interviewed That Apple guy and will again in future that's why he talks carefully. But a person like him says it's trash then apple even might consider things
The fact that Apple wants 400$ for a standard "upgrade" feature that even my old 100$ monitor had is astounding. This company is just giving every consumer the middle finger. Holy crap.
@@elroxmusic blindly? he just gave you 2 reasons and left out tens of avoidable stuff apple does to make a quick buck and give the middle finger to customers, its not blind is it
How the fuck is a product like this even aimed at “every consumer?” If you don’t like it then don’t buy it. I’m glad your $100 monitor fulfills your needs and you should be too. Imagine NEEDING a product like this and then being angry that an unnecessary luxury is priced appropriately.
It's worth noting that you can control screen brightness from your keyboard which is something most other non-mac monitors don't support. If you work in a bright environment during the day and then use the same screen at night it's nice to be able to tone down the display.
I thinkApple know the market position of this display is not meant to sell good , it is there to boost the sales of current iMac 🖥 and the next 27 iMac 🤣
It's there for people going to the apple site to buy a display. Many businesses and people will love it because it looks fancy. And it's quite functional. With 5k, 600nit, speakers, webcam. So it's for people who don't care about money looking for a nice display.
Why would they sell another $1800 27" iMac when they can squeeze $3600 out of you for the Mac Studio + Studio Display? Apple keeps yelling the scam at their customers and they keep responding "OMG I NEED IT"...
I would LOVE to hear Apple explain why they made the power cord not removable... Like i get the stand, its profit motivated but the power cable is just bad for everyone. Its annoying for apple to have to store/protect massive monitors waiting to be fixed because its not just a standard part and having to make and produce that stupid "tool", its bad for studios because now its more expensive and has more down time, genuinely who wins? I understand that apple is super greedy and will spin anything into a positive for the brand but they have been making some great products since switching to their own silicon and this EASILY could have been one, it could have used the A15 for Airdrop when your mac isn't on, apple tv apps, hell with 64gb of storage it could have been a digital photo frame while you aren't using the computer... I need to know what their reasoning was... I can't think of anything other than just because "we were on a hot streak and we thought we should ruin that"...
Good call! With that storage, the processor, and the speakers, it easily could have an Apple TV baked in. Heck, it could be also function as a Home Pod. All of that onboard hardware should allow the A13 to be utilized while connected to a non-Apple device, but instead it's just disabled. Just with some software tweaks (and a wifi card) this could be a standout device.
Pretty much the people keep buying Apple and Apple is looking for more ways to screw them over from time to time and non-removable power cord is just the latest adventure for that... They are looking to test subscription service *JUST* to use the device you own, if you don't pay subscription, they brick your IPhone or Imac or whatever in the future and you have to send it all back in to Apple store to fix it or not. Sorry, but not sorry, only **RETARDS** keep buying Apple, period. The more people enable Apple, the more they'll get screwed over.
For that extra $400, I can buy a extremely superior arm mount with more actuation action...this whole monitor, even from a monitor buying stand-point, IS AN AWFUL DEAL.
Yes you could-- but then you will not have a stand if you ever want to sell it or use it in a different way so they save on material and cost and you still pay the same. They should just make all the monitors cheaper and make a vesa style stand for 199 which is sold spectrum. Like the Eve spectrum
Honestly this monitor would be great but Apple kneecapped it by making both the stand and power cord non-removable. And I also think that $1,600 base price for an SDR monitor in 2022 is ridiculous. Dell is literally selling a 5120x1400 175Hz QD-OLED for $1,299 with 1,000 nit peak brightness HDR. And yes I get that the monitor I just mentioned is for gamers. But guys it's OLED and HDR and it looks incredible. You can totally use that for video editing and I'm sure many will. This display from Apple is just such a miss. I think it should have been $799. If it had removable stand and power cable, $999. And if it had HDR using MiniLED, $1,599.
@@abubakrakram6208 im sorry for your eyes, the majority of people just use 1080p and before 10years people where able to read text on a DS with a resolution of 240p I wish you a nice day and hope you can read my text with your ultra 8K high contrast true black monitor
@@matsu8205 so true man. I still use a 1080p monitor and I'm totally fine with it lol. And yeah what was he talking about? Reading text? Thats ridiculous.
@@matsu8205 I'm sorry people had to put up with that. That 240p screen sounds like a recipe for daily migraines. I was a school boy reading books 10 years ago, so luckily I didn't have to work on those.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl For productivity it's still nice for scrolling and animations on my 165Hz monitor but not a dealbreaker. For gaming it's HUGE and there is no going back.
Alright, so let me get this straight. Apple took an iMac 27", ripped out all the PC hardware, and sells that for roughly the same price. Yeah, this may be the only monitor for its very specific usecase, but lets not pretend your not getting screwed over here. This isn't a monitor that's worth $1600. Also, its kinda laughable to say that the UltraFine 5K is "5 years old" and then pretend like this display is a new thing when it is later - rightfully - pointed out that this is just the same display panel Apple has been using for years.
Very valid points, but panels aren't the defining parts of the image quality. They play a big role, sure but not everything. Take Sony Bravia TVs, they use the same panels as some LG models, because OLED is proprietary to LG, yet their Bravia engine and processing make the image quality arguably better. But I do agree that this particular product just seems like a very bad deal with some weird design choices.
@@mukeshjain1140 those are things that you pay extra grands for that come standard in monitors half the price, its such a terrible deal for the majority
Can you recommend a great 4K monitor to go with the Mac Studio I just ordered? I’d like 32” or larger. Just had an IMac for so long that I’m not even sure what to look for. I’m a photographer/videographer.
I'm in the same boat Mike , leaning towards a Mac Studio ,but am not quite sure which way to go on the monitor . I have an older NEC PA241W but don't think it will do the trick .
Nope. Because Apple has made it so that every other monitor that isn't made by Apple will look like @ss. Get an old Apple HD monitor. You can go third party, but everything will look weird and bloated. Thank Apple for purposly crippling their machines.
If this monitor had come out say 5 years ago it would be great, but it didn’t. The limited hdr, Ho hum webcam, 60hz. Sure it is a impressive enclosure and that doesn’t come cheap, but otherwise fairly ordinary particularly considering the price. Just really not sure who they were aiming at, anybody serious about sound will have dedicated speakers, hopefully the software fix helps that webcam because that is very ordinary as well to the point that if you care how you look you would get a separate web cam. Cashed up people who aren’t too discerning of quality? There are aspects that good and leading in an apple way, the IO and to a degree the calibrations and choice of panel, but so much compromise yet still for a premium is hard to swallow.
@@spacecadet2172 I do actually care about pixel density and it is a shame good options are so rare, but still can be underwhelmed by the offering. I have been spoilt with dell ultrasharp since early 2000s and rocking retina since the 2012 MacBook Pro. Don’t have to be a Mac user to appreciate quality
@@ThurstanHethorn I guess his point was that most apple users are brainwashed by the "retina" campaign to care a great deal about pixel density, even though most, if not all, monitors today are "retina" as apple defines it. ie. My old and very cheap 23" 1080p monitor is "retina" when I'm looking at it from 91cm away.
@@Smuglu admittedly I’m going on 40 and have worn glasses my whole life, but 5k at 27in for a monitor feels a little excessive. at 30 or 32” I would personally find that more useful. I have been spoilt by high density screens the last decade and do find some standard screen density like looking through a screen door. So there is benefit above the 90-110dpi standard, but above say 150dpi probably rolls off fast and other factors being important. Sure 1080p at 24in is pretty standard now hence cheap. It then becomes about quality purity of colour and decent contrast. It’s amazing how many monitors are poor quality . Then if you are trying to go big and high res it is still quite rare. I’m not a gamer so I’ve rarely phased by the high refresh rate and high res is not the enemy to frame rate for my needs.
4:02 Marques, I love your videos and all, but why do you use Final Cut without the magnetic timeline? It’s FCP’s best feature and it sets it apart from Premiere. Why???!!!
It never fails to amaze me how eloquent, informed, reflective and subtly hilarious your videos are man. You are without a doubt, the voice I look to hear on any new product. You managed to articulate a lot of my concerns while also acknowledging the very real desire to have one. Appreciate you so much MKB!
Agree 100 %… especially with the low key shade and humor I’m seeing more and more he’s such an intelligent humble class act and fun to watch and learn from 🙂
@@thequakerlight4871 yeah I find mrwhosetheboss goes into exhaustive detail that occasionally I find myself skipping through, whereas I find that Marques asks the abstract questions that always help justify a products creation. Both are great, I just have a special place in my heart for MKBHD.
I'd love to know Apple's justification for having the power cable hard-wired into the monitor. It's such a terrible compromise, and as Marques points out, if you have a problem with the cable you have to send THE WHOLE THING off to be fixed. I'm sure Steve Jobs wouldn't have signed off on something like this ...
Why would a cable break on a display? It’s build in a place mostly against a wall… At that price point that wall often would be of a work space… Also its strong enough… So what are you on about, yes it would have been the better option to take the supply, the 24” has. But well okay, move on.
@@TheKontraRecords You would be surprised.. I've seen monitor cables break because of the chair from the person infront.. pets.. kids.. and not so long ago a speaker fell and damaged the ethernet port of an all in one computer.. which now has to be used wirelessly.. if that were the power port.. the whole PC inside the monitor would be useless.
@@TheKontraRecords Quit being such a fanboy, you Apple fanboy. Why would a cable break on a display? Because not all workstations are up against a wall. But sometimes you set up or break down a workstation, you might accidentally trip on a wire and it's preferably to have the wire simply pull out from its sock than to rip or break the hardware. Are you Apple fanboys this dense? If Apple has taken you or your family hostage and are forcing you to defend them, blink three times and we'll rescue you.
@@TheKontraRecords They made it hard to remove because they know that some people will break the cable, they just made it hard enough so the user has to send it in to be fixed. If cables never broke it would be actually hardwired.
As someone who is currently in the market for a high resolution monitor (or two) to pair with a Macbook, this just makes no sense. I can't daisychain them. No high/variable refresh rate. No HDR. A pretty average brightness. No flexibility in the stand. A camera that's worse than my MacBook's. Apple seems to have a REALLY big problem with continuity in their products at the moment. The Pro Display, Studio Display, and M1 IMac all have pretty much the same form factor, yet use three different stands, and three different power cables. They release a dedicated monitor that has a worse panel then the iPad , iPhone, and Macbook. It seems like they just roll a dice to decide what product they'll release each year, and with which features, with no thought to iteration and normal upgrade cycles.
How is brightness average when everything he compared it to has lower nits? Wouldn’t that make this better than average, actually best in class? Btw I think this monitor is ridiculous, but that doesn’t change the fact what you said wasn’t accurate lol
I agree with you. I really thought they had completely turned the corner with Mac design, but this screen being worse than my MacBook Pro's display is hugely disappointing. Here's hoping they will make a revision of it soon, but it took them so long for even this one to show up that I'm not optimistic about "soon." I suspect the real reason they didn't want to make it better is because then it will be pretty much an affordable version of their XDR display. And they really thought that adding an extra processor and nice speakers would make up for the price, but we don't care about any of that lol.
This is actually the only option if you want a glossy desktop monitor, which in itself is pretty mind blowing. Why aren’t other manufacturers filling this gap in the market?!!
You’re preaching to the choir brother. I would easily pay $3k for a mini LED 120 Hz 5K glossy monitor. That ticks all the boxes I’d want for a monitor.
@@arandomhumanbeing2464 there are way better deal with similar specs for professionals. And again if you are an artist, this ain't even touchscreen. For that price it's still a terrible deal for professionals.
Just a disclaimer, the webcam that Marques was promoting, he's a shareholder in that company. But I agree, the built-in webcam quality isn't what I expect it to be. I'm not in the market for this type monitor anyway, I cant afford it. I can't afford the LG too. They're just not for me. The Dell, maybe.
Gotta say, not a huge fan of tech relevant undisclosed financial positions for tech reviewers. Do you have a link showing he's a shareholder? Couldn't find one myself but would like to see what's it there.
@@dawsongooch4194 he disclosed it once in a video called “My everyday tech: 2022” at minute 3:10. I agree I think it’s very important to disclose these things upfront so you know the possible motives behind the recommendations and claims.
@@kas4751 I think that it's fair to demand from him that he discoses it every time he mentions it and talks about competitors. The viewer doesn't need to know the entire catalogue of videos of a tech *reviewer* when it comes to a video for a tech *review* and needs to know where his biases lands. he should be more upfront about it because he would benefict from it the most: as a reviewer his credibility it's why people come to his reviews, undermining it this way feel kinda dumb
The advantage of the Studio Display is that it has an A13 chip and 64GB storage so can be improved on with updates. Apple has already confirmed an update is coming for the camera.
Absolutely. As an Apple “sheep” I must say this display is incredibly underwhelming and the price doesn’t justify everything that this thing offers. They missed the opportunity to put the real tvOS or any useful OS despite having that A13 CHIP AND 64GB OF STORAGE!!! I really want to give the developers of this display blows to their faces.
I hope you realize that the developers are working for apple, which means final decisions are not made by them. IT goes through chains of commands. Anyways f this display. I am so disappointed.
I like mine. I agree about the power cord - don't know why they couldn't have used the same design they did with the new iMacs - with a magnetic closure. But it works great with my Mac Mini, I like the additional USB-C ports and it's worked out great for me.
Honestly I loved this video, the only thing I find difficult to swallow is the lack of VESA mention. Getting a VESA at the store should be the default choice for anybody practical or even not experienced with IT. Monitor that charges money for a height adjustable mount in a world, where we fill landfills with Dell height-adjustable VESA stands.
The worst thing is that you cannot just buy a third party adaptator after the fact. You have to bring it back to a store for them to make you pay a premium to put the Vesa stand. But then you will not be able to put it yourself on the original stand. So you have to bring it back to.... Yeah well...
When I heard "Studio Display" for the very first time, I was hoping that maybe they did something like the Surface Studio, but with the only touch input being an Apple Pencil. I feel like that would make sense for design studios and such, but I guess touchscreens and Macs don't mix
Which is weird because macOS is more like iOS than it's ever been. A surface studio type Mac display with apple pencil would sell like crazy, even if they charge 2k or more.
Totally agree! They NEED to have Pencil support to macOS… not touch screen (there are trackpads that work way better for that) but support pencil… and it would make sense as they brought keyboard and trackpad to the iPad… so why not the other way round?
They just need to put MacOS on the iPad. They have literally no excuse now because both the iPad Pro and iPad Air have the exact same chip as all of the non-professional Macs.
Having good speakers on a monitor advertised for ‘studios’ and ‘professionals’ is completely useless. Actual professionals will use studio monitors or high quality headphones.
@@Mamo878 That depends on what kind of pro you are, most people who professionally use computers and need microphone and camera for their work needs it for teams/zoom. For that purpose this is definitely good enough. Pro users are a really diverse group of people.
@@volundrfrey896 Exactly. That guy above is defining "Pro users" as if they are solely people who work with hi-end audio files and need crystal clear sound to nitpick their production. Pro users do other things, like Graphics, software, engineering etc. It's fair to say that even video editors don't need crystal clear, loud booming sounds, to get their work done. A pro monitor aids with visuals, not sound. So if it has a good enough speakers, a lot of pro users will still appreciate it, since it will justify the lack of need to purchase something separate just to hear things.
@@thecsciworker291 Precisely, I'm a software dev so I would consider myself a pro user. I've done work that requires speakers, as in let me hear that the sound technically works, but if anyone hire me to make artistic decision about the sound in their product then that person hired the wrong guy. Macbook pro speakers and a pair of airpods are definitely good enough for my professional use. Any "audiophile" gear I own are purely for my own entertainment.
I've been appreciating Apple design for many years and willing to pay for features and architecture style. However, these recent decisions by Apple pushed me to replace my entire compute ecosystem. It’s going to take a year and I’m committed to doing so. Phones, computers, displays, watch - I’m going away from Apple. - The undetachable power cord is an atrocity. Apple already had a solution in the color matched cable of iMac, which is a beautiful attention to style. Instead Apple lost on both architecture and function. - Not being able to change the stand. Paid or not. Is nothing short of spitting on us customers. I realized it is not rain. - Not being able to rotate by 90 degrees. I think that Apple lost significant revenue with this decision. How nice it would be to have an XDR in the middle, and two Studio displays… - Having only one Thunderbolt port = no daisy chain (hey Apple, I was willing to buy a few of those displays). These design decisions makes me feel for the first time that I will be satisfied only if the Apple product manager will be politely asked to go and work for another company.
The way you convey information is very engaging. Some of the products/tech you review I would never purchase but it’s great listening due to your style. Thanks for all the great reviews and very un-biased opinions, it’s hard to find this these days.
I can't do anything but agree, for the price (apart from brightness) the leg ultra fine uppercuts the Apple Studio Display in almost every way. For example, the camera and price
Well it’s more or less the same panel, I believe they supply apple the displays for the studio display if it is actually the same display as the one found on the iMac 5k. They probably have an agreement with apple where they cannot turn around and undercut them their own product. Probably why apple could sell the 5k iMac but not the 5k display until now maybe idk.
The M1 Macs have provided almost no compromises at an affordable price (relatively speaking for Apple products), and are outstanding products in the eyes of many. The problem with this display is not the price as such (it's Apple after all), it's the fact that for the price there are compromises, which Marques has wonderfully pointed out in this video, that will make people at least consider the alternatives.
@@bobhanuman65 Yeah, I was really hoping for an answer for this. I have 2017 27" iMac and I absolutely love the display. I considered getting a newer M1 Mac and giving this machine to the oldest, but I spend the majority of my time on this machine reading text and doing software work, and I can't help but think that I'd notice a difference in the resolution with a 4k display. I use a headset all the time and I'm not too concerned about webcam quality (can only look as good as the bum in front of it), so paying $1600 or more for those features sounds like a raw deal. Just why does a 5k display cost so much more than a 4k? Are the panels that much more complicated to manufacture?
@@chateuaxfaygeaux Very few companies are making 5K panels and those that do have to charge a premium because there isn't that much of a market for them so they don't get the volume sales to bring the price down. Personally I think Apple missed the point on this display, it is supposed to be a studio display meaning those that need it will spend a lot of money for something truly outstanding. They went with an old panel in a shiny new box with a fixed power cord. So if you are using it for show, like in a marketing setting the power cord is a problem and so is the age and spec of the panel, if you are using it in a studio there are better options with better panels at a higher price. They could have pushed the envelope going for new technology like micro led but they didn't. Some would argue it's about cost, but when the display with an adjustable height stand is $2k no one who is on a budget is buying this thing.
I just picked up a 5k ultra fine LG display for about 60% of the cost of this (with taxes). And while it isn’t as aesthetically pleasing physically, the display is gorgeous.
It wish LG just use the same display but with modern body that has slim bexel. Maybe just don't include Webcam and other extra, just plain VESA 5K 27 inch monitor which will drive down the cost.
@@chidorirasenganz how? Less bright panel but still gorgeous, you get a good stand without paying extra $400, option to vesa mount, and even the webcam is better rn.
I appreciate how this videos title isn’t a total tease, made me feel respected enough in re to my time and attention to watch it the whole way through. Fine line to walk between that and not wanting to give away your lead entirely. Good job and Thanks.
My prediction about speakers: Yes. Steve Jobs didn't want to make TVs because they don't need to be replaced every 2 years. They solved that with this monitor by overcharging enough to make up for it lasting a long time. Airpods Max could be seen as a test run - can they get away with charging 5 times as much as better-sounding products, by adding a couple hard-to-compare features and wrapping it in a $2 aluminum shell? Yes, yes they can. They confirmed that they can release anything wrapped in aluminum and people will drool and gush over it. Speakers are coming. They will be "consumer grade" with Beats-inspired sound signatures, and fail audiophile tests, but they will have sharp corners and 64 gigs of storage, therefore $1,999 + $499!
Yeah, as a few other comments have mentioned; since they released this screen and the Studio at the same time, designed to be used together, yet they won't 'sit' together, just side-by-side, or with a 3rd party stand, it's a bit of a missed trick there..
In a world where people are willing to spend millions of dollars on pixel art, is anyone surprised there are people out there who are willing to throw $1k at a stand? Apple is a very smart company - they know their customers.
I'm surprised no reviewer I watched talked about the fact that if you want to use 2 or 3 of these together, like you can on the Mac Studio, you just pay for extra redundant 12mp web cams, speakers and A13 chips... and LLT showed these screens can't be daisy chained... I would have expected this monitor to have a screen only version that daisy chains via thunderbolt to the main one, even as a bundle or something. This monitor is a very strange combo of business decisions.
99% of editors will only use 1 27inch monitor. This Monitor was designed for the Mac Studio, it’s why they call it the Studio Display, and introduced it with the Mac Studio. Apple will be offering a “stripped” version of this monitor…just wait!!
It isnt strange at all. This is the idea with Apple they create a very specific package for each product. If you dont get exactly what you want. PAY UP $$$$$ And You are doing it wrong. Apple has said since the days of Jobs that users are supposed to be a part of the Apple "experience" and you will love it doing things their way. "this last comment was partially sarcastic, but I'm not even joking." This is seen as their entire ecosystem is designed to LOCK YOU INTO THEIR WALLED GARDEN. You are supposed to do things, change settings, and use the equipment exactly as they say so. Peon. XD
I’d like to add something to your completely correct thinking : if you can’t daisy chain it and you haven’t been spending the mac Studio money, because of having spend a lot on an MacBook Pro 14/16” already, you also paying a second 96W charger. ^^ - also bazels are pretty thick, when compared to e.g. U2720q - weird for a 2022 device.
Thank you. I was on the fence about buying a Mac Studio and watched several "middle of the road" reviews. This was wholly accurate, backed with receipts. Sorry Apple - I'll wait.
7:59 Mac cameras have a really bad habit of constantly recalibrating the brightness - and I guess now the white balance as well, judging by this clip. I can immediately tell when I'm having a zoom call with a Mac user, because their camera constantly shifts brightness levels. It's super distracting. And I can't fathom how this is not fixed yet, for a company so focused on "image" and "perception" like Apple.
Thanks, Marques, for the first honest review of this monitor that I've seen! I am a long-time user of Apple products, including my 2015 27" iMac, and this, at its current price, is definitely, as you said, "a swing and a miss."
@@AstroflashYT Many of his reviews have some bias. For example in his last review of the Mac studio he doesn't even mention price until the last seconds of the video. Also he never says that you can get a PC with comparable power with half or 2/3 cost, albeit not in the same small enclosure
@@yeahwellfu Exactly. You can't get a PC in the same form factor that performs as well nor one that runs Mac OS. So how important those are to you depend on the user, not MKBHD, so price is neither here nor there. Also bear in mind someone is not biased just because they don't agree with you. Someone is biased if they act upon a conflict of interest.
@@AstroflashYT Actually you can get a PC in a small form factor but will be probably be either louder or hotter than the MAC Studio. Every user chooses for himself according to his/her needs what to buy. MKBHD's job is to review the product and compare it with other hardware/software for similar workflows. How do you know that a Mac OS user wouldn't change to a PC if he knew that he could perform the same tasks with half the money? Lastly I don't care if MKBHD or anyone for that matter agrees with me, performance is quantifiable, not subjective. Also I have no idea what/if any conflict of interest MKBHD has.
In 2020 Apple pioneered Dolby Vision HDR on their cellphones which also featured OLED displays. In 2018 Apple released a 120hz HDR-capable display on the iPad Pro. But 4-years later, the new $2000 USD monitor can’t edit HDR videos…
Consumers have the power to not buy products like this and send companies who are doing this a message. But there will always be blind fanboys who are willing to fork whatever price Apple or any company demands. Let's hope they are a very small userbase in this case.
If they have a MAC then they pretty much have to buy an Apple monitor because the MAC video signal is modified and every non Apple monitor looks like crap, Apple knows this and does whatever they want. Not just fanboys, slaves pretty much.
@@soltcolt4506 Not true. I connect a MacBook Pro M1 to different brand monitors, and get the same image quality as a PC gets on said monitors. Monitors I've connected to are Samsung 27" IPS 60hz monitor, Dell 27" and 34" IPS monitors and to an LG 5K monitor (that Marques shows in the video), and the image quality is the same regardless if it is a Mac computer or Windows computer that is connected to them.
"Baffling" is a really good word, Marques. This reminds me a lot of the phone I keep wanting to buy, but don't - the Sony Xperia 1 (mark whatever). It is ALMOST what I want, but there are too many things about it that give me pause, and I end up saying I'll wait until the next iteration when so-and-so has been fixed to my liking. Come on, Apple. Make the power cable and stand removable. Come on, Sony. A 4k screen is nice, but it should be a toggle in the settings for when you really want that extra resolution. I feel like these companies do this on purpose, because if they built the perfect device, what would they ever do next?
Apple went out of the way to engineer the power cord to not be user removable and also engineered a special tool to remove it.
That's what Apple does best
Classic Apple.
Apple; The best company at sucking every penny out of their customers. And I'm one of them
@@user-mz3ni8yu4v same - were idiots
@@user-mz3ni8yu4v u love their products so much u dont mind they treat their customers like crap?
I'm surprised they didn't offer a 'Studio stand' with cutouts allowing you to place the Mac Studio on the base of the stand and thread all the cables through it... for $399 extra dollars
Why Not $999🤔
"Sir, you're hired."
why any power cable at all? why not go beyond, and let it be powered by the thunderbold/usbc and no need for power cable at all.
@@sebastianjuppscharwachter9022
$999.99 + California tax, so that'd be around $1240.99 for a stand..
Don't give these ass-hats at Apple anymore ideas.
@@KermitOfWar That's the funny thing. That's what apple did with their prior stands a few years ago lol
Apple marketing logic:
"We don't send chargers with the iPhones anymore, because of environmental reasons."
"If your power cable breaks, you have to send in the whole thing!"
(I would even consider myself a fan boy. But some stuff they do makes me puke. It's just greedy.)
Maybe it's the green agenda that resulted in this decision. Thoughts go like this: Because previously they said power cables were not included due to waste concerns, this monitor they made it permanently attached in case someone tried to call them out for including a power cable. "But it's permanently attached, we had to include it!" 🤦
I have a 10 year old Thunderbolt Display on my desk, the power cable is in perfect condition (as are the other cables, which are known to crack). I've never had to disconnect it from the back of the monitor, even when moving the monitor between office and home and back.
@@fmarinosfromafar9512 ok
Yes it is after all consider your a new Mac user in the U.K. and you purchases the top of the range Mac Studio for example for £3999 and get it home only to find that all you get in the bus is the computer and a power cable.
You them go back to the apple store and to get a screen, stand, trackpad, keyboard, mouse and of course they then force you into purchasing the apple care, so that’s another £2065 (for the basic screen and stand) you have to pay and nearly £3000 if you want top of the range.
What a rip off…
Lol du hier xD
I think Apple fixed all of what they consider mistakes from the last display. Removable cable, removable stand, vesa mounting, any user repairability or customizability that might have snuck through
what do you mean, there is a VESA option that - unlike the PRO XDR - does not cost extra
Yet they've added it to their user repair program.......hmmm
@@reginaldbowls7180 their user repair program is as good as banging your head against the wall, this has been proven by pro repair technicians over and over again
Well, they should've soldered the power cable so that it's definitely not removable. Also, it shouldn't work with a Windows PC.
@@Chopper153 No. If it didn't work with Windows, then they should be sued.
I love how he's avoiding "It's not a good deal" so hard and I was almost angry that he's so diplomatic, just to end the video with "No, it's not a good deal.". :D
This irritates me too when he reviews terrible products. Come on man, just say it sucks
@@SF-li9kh It doesn't suck, it's just not worth the money
"by specs of the panel is clear it's a not a good deal"
@@SF-li9kh I mean, it's in the title already
Yeah I was so irritated by the lengths he was going to to make excuses for Apple. Like you can make those same excuses about any terrible product... But then he finally admitted at the end that it's not a good deal.
The nonremovable power cable is absolutely absurd. They actually went out of their way, and spent R&D money, to design a new, worse cable when they already had multiple options for something good.
@@sys-administrator Just like iMac? an already working design? Or like literally every other monitor in the past decade? I can't remember any monitor other than old CRTs having non removable cable
@@sys-administrator This comment screams "I don't know anything about tech other than what's shoveled directly to me as true".
@@sys-administrator The option to remove and - if need be - replace it without having to take the entire monitor to an Apple store which around here requires an appointment and a couple hours of my valuable time. How would I have designed it? I would not have too. Because it has already been done. In fact Apple has done it. They actually went out of their way to make it harder on their customers. Wow. Design can have value..... Poor design can destroy it.
they definitely just want more people signing up for apple care. somehow just using a proprietary connector that allows the monitor to be extra thin wasn't enough because that would mean people could just buy a new or used cable and not have to pay apple to swap it out.
@@sys-administrator 6:55 question's literally already answered in the video.
The fact that the M1 iMac 24in with a 4.5k display exist for $1,300, which is a full computer makes this a terrible deal. I was at an apple store and my sister said "So this display is more than that computer? That makes no sense".
Exactly, and the iMac 24 really is very capable!
Don’t worry, Apple will fix this problem…By raising the base price of an imac to 2000$
hey i am not that into tech but why would people buy a 5k lcd monitorsfor this much price instead of 4k oled as in general oled has way better colours
@@mac.fk14 just to flex. and say look at me I have a apple product I’m rich 🤑
@@mac.fk14 OLEDs and desktop computers don't mix well because of all of the static elements and because of OLED smearing
As a professional photographer & filmmaker considering this product for my production team, this definitely helped me make the decision to NOT move forward on picking this "studio" monitor up yet. You made great points on the features that you'd expect in 2022 for the price range....and Apple has delivered an underwhelming product on this one. If you have a bunch of cash to burn, this might be a fun purchase. Otherwise, you can move the needle for you and your business a lot more by investing the same money towards something else.
What monitor are you considering that has the same color accuracy for a lower price point?
I'm running windows. I ordered the Asus PA32UCR-K and should have it by the end of this week. Its essentially the cheaper version of the UCX. I couldn't find any reviews of it, so will see how it goes. I just hope the quality is great all around. The specs looked great given that I won't be doing much gaming. Mini led, HDR1000, almost 100% coverage of the core gamuts (sRGB, Adobe RGB, DCI-P3), very accurate, etc. Hopefully the lack of reviews mean everyone is busy being productive with it.
@@johnolin are you joking? There are tons? The Huawei Mateview does the same and it’s a 10 bit panel lol
Get a 4K Eizo, never look back.
@@the_irav The only Eizo I could find that was close to having equivalent specifications as the Studio Display is the Eizo CG2700X. It's 4k instead of 5k and maximum brightness is a little lower, but it does have built-in hardware calibration and that hood would be useful. However, it is twice the price of Apple's Studio Display. The Eizo would look good on my desk, but work wouldn't pay for it 😕
Unremovable cable is ridiculous, it's almost like apple wants right to repair regulation to come into law. It truly serves no purpose
They literally engineered the most satisfying power connector I have ever used in the M1 iMac, and they decide to not use it
I think sometimes they just intentionally make some aspect of their product design completely ridiculous just to get free exposure and coverage. Because the monitor is otherwise so unremarkable, it has ended up being the most talked about aspect of the device.
@@diverman1023 not only did they decide not to use it, they went out and spent money to develop, test and build a completely different (bad) solution.
This didn‘t save them money, it cost them money, that is the insane part.
@@liamness I'm convinced this is the case, same as the $1000 stand (any serious user would just get the VESA mount, but the publicity is priceless)
Apple neede to be fined for this
It seems like Apple is testing what people are willing to pay for at this point… the fact that it costs nearly the same as an iMac 5k did is laughable.
at this point?
i thought they were doing it on purpose like 3-4 years back…
The Kanye West business model
At this point? This is what they always do, the sheeps are still buying, so no problem for then
People want an apple with a bite out of it and are willing to pay 5x the price for one
@@shathaan1763 Apple is a company. They both release amazing products and bad ones. They are killing it with most of their product offerings.
Great breakdown of why it’s not for you and why it might be for some people. It really makes me want to skip them though for my setup
hey,Marques
Can I get that wallpaper's link 😅
Idk how it would be a thing for other people tho, the person could just make a faux metal finish frame for a display instead of buying the Apple studio display and I don’t think any Apple user could complain about not having 5k over 4K considering they would go for mini leds instead.
@@epicmusic9029 We absolutely would complain about not having 5K over 4K. We don't have ClearType like on Windows. MacOS doesn't scale well bellow 200% like Windows does. Text on a 4K screen looks much worse than it would on Windows.
@@thatdesiindian UA-cam won't let me paste the full link. MKBHD stores wallpaper in that Google Drive folder
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@@guim817where can I find the Google drive link?
You got my thumb’s up on the last sentence. 😂 Great review.
The old 27" iMac retailed for $1799 and had the same identical panel (just a 500 nits instead of 600) as the Studio display which costs $1599. For an extra $200 you got an entire computer plus keyboard and mouse. The price of the Studio display is ridiculous, shouldn't be more than $1000.
Yep, Apple has dramatically increased the price of getting an equivalent machine as the now discontinued 27" iMac.
The thing is, there’s an entire Apple silicon computer in there. It just can’t compute
exactly, you know they're making even more money off of this than the iMac FOR SURE and they're hoping their fans just eat it up. And honestly? A lot of them are. I've seen way too many "this is such a good monitor oh my god" videos considering just how bad this monitor actually is. They usually have really weird conditions about what is good and what is bad like plastic makes a monitor unusable, if it's not 5k instead of 4k it looks pixelated lol. It takes a real weirdo to really prefer this monitor above other options
@@EricLS They really should've given it like...Apple TV capabilities or something. For it to have an A13 and 64GB of storage onboard and not be able to do that standalone is ridiculous
or get $700 wheels
that ending was actually hilarious when he looks us straight in the eye and says "yea.....its not a good deal" LOL
I cannot believe people actually call him an Apple fanboy. He is objective. He doesn't tell you to buy it, he just tells his experience.
Love it
Absolutely correct. I can see why people think he's one but if you look through the past, Marques has had a OnePlus and a Pixel as his daily driver before they went insane and buggy respectively. He also criticised the macbooks until the M1 line-up showed up. I have never owned any apple products myself but i can see Marques is just looking for a good experience and boy apple is good at it.
He's still an apple fanboy..... He's just not part of the isheep crowd. Just because he's not scared to criticize Apple, doesn't make him less a fanboy. Just means he's realistic in his expectations and about his experiences with their products.
@@aaronthomas6155 Exactly. Just because I'm a avid fan of a certain football team doesn't mean I'm not going to yell at the TV when they do something stupid. Lol
@@aaronthomas6155 So how is he a fanboy?
@@aaronthomas6155 I mean that isn’t the term for it just fairly reviewing stuff doesn’t make him a fanboy also he uses the products because he likes them and are good so really he is just an apple user
LTT summarized the Apple Studio Display pretty nicely - "an LG Ultra Fine 5k Display Expensive Edition". 😆
ok
and also "less practical"
Haha, fully agree, the Pro Display XDR I would say is actually worth the money but I can't keep the same statement for the new studio display.
The LG is literally only $300 cheaper and it’s built way more on the cheap with it being fully plastic with no metal or glass. Plus, when you watch videos side by side, the Studio Display has way better color accuracy and contrast.
So yeah, it’s the same thing for $300, and that extra $300 is used to make an inherently better display and experience.
Without the removable Power Cord
Update, My Studio Display blew up yesterday, belching smoke for 6 minutes before a final loud bang. Only lasted 18 months, very scary failure and I did get it on video. Posted pictures of the failure on my community tab and what to look out for before this failure. I can't post a video because I now have no display
So where are the pics ?
@@Arfarf69 He's lying.
this is a certified “help, my very expensive apple thing broke” moment
Just saw your video. Damn that sucked! How did it ended up? Did you managed to get ur refund?
I love the brutal honesty in this one! 👊🏻 Without ProMotion and mini LED, it’s a hard pass. And that’s a shame, because the monitor itself is beautifully designed. It’s a very “Apple” product, I suppose.
4K pro motion option with mini-LED would make more sense for a $1600 display to me but maybe that's asking too much? Spending $1000+ on a display in 2022 and seeing that terrible contrast rubs me the wrong way
With those two things alone, the money wouldn’t be able to fly out of my wallet fast enough. Seriously. I would pay the $1999 for the height adjustment ability and all.
they always left out something purposely so it can be an upgrade for the next model
@@NuggetsXInfinite the LG 4K 144hz display is the same brightness as this, has way higher frame rate, is similar in color accuracy, and does have support for hdr 600 and has local dimming. All for 800. This is a horrible deal in all but it being 5k and pretty looking.
Hate to disagree, but it’s an easy pass. So easy I’m not even thinking about it I’m just buying it. Yes you could buy the LG 5K monitor… But as I said in another comment, if you sneeze too hard it’ll shake rattle and roll. It’s built like crap. But if you can recommend a monitor to me that is way better than this monitor that isn’t made out of plastic crap… Please let me know so I can consider it.
Missed opportunity: Apple could have priced this at $2500 and sold the exact same number of units. Anyone crazy enough to spend $1600 would be crazy enough to spend $2500.
I would even say that some people would buy this at 3000
It has an Apple logo on it....price is irrelevant for some people. All that matters is the Apple logo.
KA-CHING!
Nah, a lot of newer, smaller studios need to count every dollar. Who knows, maybe the $900 extra really is a dealbreaker for somebody
It’s 2500$ here in Canada
This video perfectly shows my main BIG problem with this monitor (and some other decisions apple made in the last years). Everything that stands out as particularly "great/good" are things that don't actually matter for the monitor as a monitor. Build quality, feel, a build in UI with a good chip, good speakers... all nice, but everything that matters for the actual product as a MONITOR is just not good enough for the price (and the add-on prices) Apple is asking for. Yes it feels good, but i almost never touch my monitor, yes it sounds good, but for a desktop i always use external speakers or headphones, yes it's well made (except the cable), but i never had a monitor breaking because it's plastic... what i actually want in a high standard productivity monitor is amazing peak brightness, a higher refresh rate for more pleasant reading and scrolling (let's be honest, gaming is not what apple is focussing on), an amazing panel with accurate colors and close to the best blacks and maybe some comfort features like tilt, swivel, height adjust and rotation if you don't put it on an arm... and none of that is what this monitor stands out for.
It honestly feels like Apple spend tons of time and money to develope a shiny new product with lots of features, but failed to develope the core feature set to a point that actually feels well done. It's like a bog standard monitor with with some Apple-Glitter slapped on it.
I don't even think Apple spent too much time on this one, given that users have already reported problems with their web cams.
Thanks for writing, so I don’t have to do it again - 100% with you on this one, the power Cable, yeah I get the point, but I never broke on, and if you buy 1600 worth of display pets should not be allowed in the room or trained well anyway. - Most likely it’ll be a work space. Bazels are something I might add. To bis for these days, and the hole display is do much, because of all the features I don’t wont. iPhone 11 had a small footprint, for being a phone, better cameras and a okay-ish speaker. Why the hell is that display so thick when the stuffed a whole computer in the iMac 27” and even less into the 24” inch?
cool, good for you. build quality isn’t important for everyone, just because it’s not for you doesn’t mean it’s not a good product. I’d prefer to have a better built product that lasts longer! ♻️
@@calebjankola8728 Great how you managed to completely misinterprete my comment... congratulations.
I never said, and never will say that build quality isn't important. It definetly is, very much so. But this is not "better quality", it's more material waste without any other purpose than to "look good". It's a "good-enough" monitor for money you pay for a "very good" one, because it's shiny and cool. There are tons of monitors with less features and "worse" materials, which still have amazing lifespans, don't break, have replaceable stands and cables AND are much better monitors... and without a mediocre webcam, storage and a chip, a fixed cable and "good-enough" speakers that will end in a landfill once the monitor is dead. "♻" (if you honestly believe this product has to do anything with the environment and cycle lifespans you are dumb as bread, sorry)
My complete comment was about Apple setting the wrong focus for too much money. I didn't say anything about quality or that i don't like the superb machining, but it's a dumb monitor. It failed to be the core product it's supposed to be, for materials and features that don't really matter.
I disagree. There is no other 5k monitor with the built in features at this price point.
So if this is not a good deal which monitor is best for the studio?
Would love to know... But I guess, as always the answer is "it depends". What are your needs? I'm in doubt about waiting for a Dell 6k (hello Retina) or going for something OLED'ish.
eizo cs2740 ?
I was really impressed with this monitor but I can't get past how much of a horrible deal this is now.
I'd be impressed if it had impressive features...
Chromebook has a lot better cammers
Dude just for height adjustment extra $400 smh.
@@Xavier_Renegade_Angel 😂😂
you're paying for the logo brand name not how good the monitor is.
Fun fact: the Studio Display can detect which orientation it’s in and switch the content to portrait automatically, but neither of the stands let you rotate it
I mean, a vesa-mount option will allow you to attach it to a rotateable arm, so...
@@andreirachko but i thought the stand was not user upgradable.
@@SuperSeigerman that's another option, you have to choose it while purchasing. . Can't Upgrade after purchase
@@world.of.sid.n yeah but you either buy it with the bad stand or good stand. There’s no option for no stand is there?
@@olivert.7192 Nope. it's the normal, the height adjustable one or the vesa adapter. Interestingly, the normal and the vesa adapter cost the same here in UK and the if you go for Vesa, you'll have to get another stand to attach it. .
It's a monitor for Apple fans. If you open your options to non-Apple displays, there are so many capable options to choose from. Non-removable cable is not a thumbs down, it's silly.
I’m an Apple fanboy. I’m not buying this, I’m buying a used Apple Thunderbolt Display on eBay
Every other monitor other than Pro Display and Huawei Mateview are ugly and plastic.
No, it's not. Most Apple fans hate this monitor because it represents everything those who make fun of Apple, think Apple is. It just adds fuel to the fire.
Are there any options that use glass in the front? That’s a huge deal for me when I’m looking at text all day
@@ahappycoder2925 It's macOS, not Windows. There is no ClearType. That 1440p display's gonna look horrible on post-Mojave macOS.
Thanks!
If you take into account the $400 stand option for height and tilt adjust, you find yourself comparing a $1999 monitor with a $1299 and $589 option.
I got a 27" IPS, 144hz display (with a stand!) for fucking 130€. I don't care how well Marques argues for 12 minutes, people who buy Apple products are getting robbed hard, and consenting through the whole thing.
Agreed. I run two Dell 27 inch curved monitors, both height adjustable, tiltable and easy to remove stand for a VESA mount. Both cost a combined $450. I get it, people who need color accuracy for their work cannot use what I'm running but Apple charging a premium for basic QoL features is robbery.
@@manthe3711 you need to compare black levels and colors tho, 100% dci p3 color space isn't cheap
@@manthe3711 FHD is junk these days.
I have a Dell 27” Ultrasharp connected to my Mac Mini. Great quality and only $450. Oh it doesn’t have a webcam but a $70 webcam will fix that and honestly be the same quality.
Waiting for apple to make speakers with a non removable lightning cable and you will have to buy lightning to 3.5 mm jack or XLRs for additional 200 dollars.
Simply don't buy crap
It's coming 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The original homepod had the same cable situation -- you CAN pull the power cord out, but you SHOULDN'T.
I wish it HAD a lightning cable or any wired way to get sound into the thing.
Yeah they do, its called the Homepod mini, they have a non removable USB C cable, bit of an annoyance if the cable gets damaged for whatever reason.
😂😂 Best ending ever.
Absolutely! The last line made my day!
Here to say it
Was gonna say the same thing. I laughed pretty good
I completely agree. Your closing of this episode was absolutely brilliant!
Hah, this. The intro was a good setup on its own. Circling back with all the points made? Yeah, that was a clutch way to drive the point home.
Love your commentaries. Thank you
On the verge of QD-OLED and considering the utterly insane stand vs VESA mount stuff Apple does, this monitor is just an absolute joke. I feel like you should have been much more angry about the attached power cable too. It's just completely unacceptable.
Not only is it a bad deal, but Apple making this, sends a message to the industry that this is acceptable. IT IS NOT.
THIS IS EXPENSIVE E-JUNK.
so true, specially when you realize this will probably be on sale for 5 years lmao
Qd-oled won't be for monitors
“unacceptable” This is the first time people cared about a semi detachable cable, it seems like
@@psp785 it is, I bought one a few hours ago.
Amazing what Apple can get away with sometimes. They make some great products, but some others represent a clear abuse of brand loyalty lol.
Not for long, people will notice. For example. I am considering Linux, although I am a vivid Apple user from 2008 till now. Design is certainly nice, but the there are so manny other things I do not like.
@@aronbijl4109 The moment Adobe has Lightroom and PS for Linux I would be there in a heartbeat. MS and Apple have just become a basket of bad apples. :S
@@booradley3146 Indeed, Apple, MS became a basket of bad apples. I use an alternative to Adobe almost as good and way cheaper: Affinity Designer, Affinity Photo and Affinity Publisher
Not brand loyalty... Just plain cruelty
@Xavier Breath I agree 100%
For this to be a good deal, I think it'd need to be 120 Hz (or higher), have height adjustment in the base model, a better camera (not necessarily an excellent one, but something better than that), and of course a removable power cord. Considering Apple's done all of this before I don't think that's a huge ask, it just needs to be put in one device
That’ll be for the next iteration of screens. That’s how companies work.
@@rodrigojds that’s how Apple operates. Churn out half finished hobbled garbage, next year the S version gets another essential feature that the competition had 5 years previously.
you Nailed it. Couldn't have said it better myself
So basically replace everything "special " about it 😂😂😂. Might aswell cancel this product. it doesn't need to be 120hz , it either needs to be a better panel (brighter with better contrast) , and has to have basic vesa mount & cable not magsafe just a removable cable and stand . Every monitor I know of has a mounting mechanism , especially recent ones . Same with cables . They were better of powering this monitor with 5 lighting cables lol
Then make that perfect display and sell it at the same price, let’s see what you can do
I have this monitor for a few months now and it’s been great so far. Amazing colors, the brightness is really strong, good sound from the speakers. I do graphic design and it’s a very powerful tool.
Which version, fixed or height adjustable? 👍🏻🤔
@@AbstractMan23 Height and Tilt adjustable.
I'm considering it, i can't find anything comparable in the market other than Huawei Mateview(weird ratio), LG price range isn't that far off apple display , plus it's a plastic case which is really ugly design.
I agree, I got this monitor 2 months ago over the LG Ultrafine 5K (which cost more in my country because it’s harder to find) and I love the colours so much
Does it have deeper blacks than the 24” m1 iMacs or is it the same?
This has been my fundamental problem with Apple's design philosophy through the dark ages (butterfly keyboard era). They're intentionally choosing to under-design a product that _could_ be insanely competitive despite the fact that they'd still be able to line their pockets if they just made something better. Every power user is just going to be resentful of the limitations here despite them being the very demographic they're targeting. They finally made Macbook Pros a legitimately compelling product again, and this feels like a huge step backwards.
How are they selling an _entire_ Macbook Pro with better screen tech for $2k and then turning around and selling this monitor for $1600? Their pricing/spec philosophy is conflicting with itself. Sure, it's a "nice" monitor overall, but the design decisions to get it here are clearly shady and minimally competitive. Ultimately, I hope this product fails so that Apple does better next time. $400 for a few inches of height adjustment? Get the absolute fuck outta here. Just _make a great monitor_ and charge the typical Apple price for it.
Issue is that they got halo product that are there to make lot of money, like the mentioned MacBook. Then they got this display that they know will not sell a lot and is just there to say that it exist, that use repurposed components from their others device. Like the 1000$ stand or wheels, this is a design statement and if some dumb rich minimalist buy it then that's an added bonus. We are there comparing price, they are just waiting for that one guy that only know one store, the apple store.
@Male Sensitivity the entire M1 lineup (at least the M1 macbook air and pro) have all been shockingly good value, or at least worth their price if used to their extent. This monitor simply does not meet expectations for a studio monitor in 2022 as Marques states. It fails to produce a display beyond the basics (60hz LCD IPS) excluding its 5k resolution.
@Male Sensitivity The stand(s) and power cable are blatant shortcomings that very clearly have profit-driven motives behind their design. They're 100% anti-consumer and sacrifice actual usability/flexibility in favor of predatory pricing and repair practices. You could argue that for almost any of their products to some degree, but the last few years have generally been an upswing for the value of their lineup. The new MBPs and iPad Air have been actual showstoppers, which makes this monitor feel that much more egregious by comparison.
Yeah Apple has a serious problem beliving it is a Botique design company. When it is a tech company that focues on making tech for non tech people. How ever it doesn't necerly wants to limit it's profit to the 1% it also wants their prices to be low enough for meanstream or even the poor in 1st world contries to buy them.... Basicly Apple has no real audence on paper yet it has Apple fans and are 1 of the reachest companies dispite their lack of focus.
For one all in one devices are always cheaper than getting separate devices (MacBook vs a display)
The studio display is larger, brighter (600 vs 500) and pushing more pixels (5k vs 3k)
The studio display isn't the new pro display. Hence why it doesn't have mini led.
I can’t agree more. You can get an iMac 24” with the same display technology with less money. *AND ITS A WHOLE COMPUTER WITH PROCESSOR KEYBOARD MOUSE AND STUFF*
But then you can’t plug your “modular” Mac studio into it because iMacs don’t have display in 🙃
The Studio Display also has an Processor :DDDD
Apple really loves to fuck their customers over
@@randomizednamme Feel like older ones did.
Dude, it’s only 24”. The 27” is barely large enough.
This guy gets invited to apple events, gets exclusive interviews with people from apple and still has what it takes to give out genuine impressions about products like these!!! That is why he is my number 1 source for all tech related things!!
are you new here bro?
@@firstsoldier4257 got to be
What are you talking about? This is a overpriced piece of crap and he is sugar coating all the negatives. This is blatantly huge rip off.
@@Anonymous-pm7jf facts
Yes, Marques Brownlee is a Straight Shooter! He's World Class @ His Craft.....😝👻👻👽
Thank you UA-cam algorithm for sending me Marques. Your reviews seem to be truly unbiased, sharing the good and bad in a very clear, concise way that I really enjoy. Well done sir!
For me, the 400$ stand convinced me to buy another monitor. Such a basic feature that's actually mandatory if you don't wanna develop health problems, should be included in the base version.
Buying another, I discovered other monitors look like shit on Apple unless you trick the computer to think it's an Apple display through software. Nice.
Exactly the reason why I am “stuck” with Apple monitor. You really can’t go with other monitors (except the one approved by Apple, and even then it’s not the same crisp).
How do you trick the computer?
I might have actually been interested if that stand was included, even though it sounds contradictory to say that I'd probably rather have an updated and improved iMac 27" anyway (which is non-adjustable, height-wise). And that's partly because the all-in-one system is something of a statement piece, a bit of furniture almost, but mainly because it just looks neater. On that note, I think it's horrible the way you can see cables with the Studio Display if it has been lifted-up a little; couldn't they have supplied some kind-of clip that goes into that slot, to force the cables to route through the gap as high-up as possible?
I've never heard of people having to get apple displays with the monitor.
I brought the 28 inch bezeless Samsung (no idea of the name) and it looks clean as fuck on my mac. I have just had to send it away because the ports in the back have become lose... typical Samsung cheap shit - but quality wise I wouldn't plug it into a mac vs pc and thing it looks worse. Never heard that one before
@@puffpuffpuff I did a few google searches and could not find any articles that would explain how to do this.
As someone who owned an Apple Thunderbolt Display with an unremovable cable, it gives anxiety to know such an expensive display also has one. The cable on mine deteriorated over time for no reason to a point where the display would constantly lose signal. Had to throw it away since it was out of warranty and the amount Apple was asking to fix it could be used to buy a non-Apple display brand new.
LOOL and Apple wants to reduce e waste. 😂😂 They only do things that benefits them
My Thunderbolt Display is still in great condition. I look after my stuff.
Wouldn't signal loss come from a display cable though? I feel like the power cable can't really have much to do with that
Cue the superiority complex driven comments.
@@luca_sbll i believe he was talking about non removable display cable on that Thunderbolt Display.
Imagine paying $1600 for a monitor without High Refresh Rate or HDR.
Would gotta be trippin
Apple users: instant buy.
And it’s not OLED or mini LED either. IPS isn’t terrible, but hasn’t been the best for a while
@@martinqizeaq Am Apple user. Instant buy for me. Literally as soon as they announced it I went to the app and preordered it and now staring at it while I type this comment. Best purchase, no regrets.
@@waterbiscuit9222 mini Led displays still show some teething issues (aside from its low yield), and mainstream OLED screens still suffer from ghosting and burn-ins specially for studio setups like this. I’m not sold on the Studio Display, but for this price range I’d say IPS would be the best choice.
After 1 year of owning two of these displays, I have to say they are the best displays I ever owned. In our office I am the only one with this display, others all have an HP panorama display that‘s about as expensive. Funny thing: Whenever I‘m in my HomeOffice my colleagues use my Apple display instead of their larger HP. I don’t know wether it’s because of the higher resolution (despite being smaller) or the better colors or the uniform lighting without light speckles or the joy of using a display that doesn’t wiggle whenever you touch the table. A solid aluminum display with an excellent screen seems to be worth something.
But HP's panoramic display is, you know, a panoramic display, it's an ultra-wide monitor, and Apple's one is not. And if you really have problems with monitor stability, you can try using a desk/wall mount, it will cost less than $400 and will allow you a wider range of position adjustment.
@@randomrandom7208 Our whole office is full of panoramic HP displays. And still… my coworkers prefer to use my smaller display. And my desk ist standing in the middle of the room, no way to use a mount.
@@HalixCH I wasn't trying to convince you that a panoramic display is better, I was just pointing out that it's an expensive feature (even if you don't really need it), so a direct comparison isn't entirely fair. And yes, no matter how good the desktop mount is, it is not a solution for all cases.
$399 for a stand? Wow! Looks like a GREAT deal😂
400 bucks for a stand? WHAT A STEAL🤑
Hey, it's less than half the price of the Pro Display XDR stand right? So it must be a bargain
The stand is free, you don’t have to buy the height adjustable one
@@geogmz8277 still a terrible deal
@@DariusCarv But the non-adjustable is too low
I don't even want to talk about how sad it is that Apple is ripping customers off just for simple features like an adjustable stand.
When you can get OLED monitors for less than half the base price, anyone would have to be mad to buy this.
The like to dislike ratio on this video is the worst one i have seen on a mkbhd video
@@sarthakjain1824 How are you seeing the dislikes? UA-cam Vanced?
And the built-in camera, which was supposed to be a key extra feature, doesn't even look good.
@@sarthakjain1824 youre seeing a fake like/dislike ratio btw.
I have a half dozen coworkers who jizzed in their pants and ordered it the moment the store reopened. Their only justification: omg camera so good. KEK all reviews say it is trash.
The $1000 stand still ranks as one of the most “wtf” things apple has ever done. Unless the engineering on that thing rivals NASA’s tech, i don’t get it.
It probably does. But did it need to? No.
Or the $700 wheels
Wow wow wow... lets not forget about the 700 dollar wheels 🤣
ok
And don’t forget the slaves who earned $0.0 for this
WOW. I am a fool for thinking that the adjustable factor came with the display..only for you to say its a $400 upgrade fee associated to have it do that..I'm floored lol. I highkey was thinking of getting this to add to my apple eco-system lol, but after watching this, I am definitely going to be thinking this over for a while. THANK YOU for your honest review!
The power cable doesn't come out the back... and the LG version has a removable power cable (standard IEC). I'd say the LG Ultra Fine is worth it for that alone.
it does come out*
*if you pull _really_ hard, of course
Anything under $500 is better than this crap
While I think it’s dumb that it doesn’t come out, why does anyone care? It’s a desktop monitor that you’re not going to move. Why does it matter if it’s removable?
The power cable does apparently come out. Linus demonstrated it on a stream. Keep in mind he had to wrap it around his hand and they could feel the monitor housing bending but it did come out. It was a proprietary connector.... apparently Apple doesn't want you to remove them for some reason though.
@@ChickenOfMajesty Same reason why your desktop tower has a removable cable. Why do you think it is removable?
Even when critical I love how honest and objective you are, it’s not over the top, it is what it is, no fluff or fake clickbait. It’s so refreshing
Right? I don’t understand why people have to be so emotionally invested in objects. Like, if you want it, get it. Otherwise, move along.
Having said that, i feel like someone is going to tell me how wrong i am.
@@HoldFastFilms stupid ass money is also a thing. For thousands of dollars you are giving us 480p shitcam. It's a joke. Your philosophy works for rich kids. Just want it get it lol. Rich kids are stupid don't know when you can get a lot better deal in less money. They just want to show off
His review seems so "people-pleaser-not-to-hurt-any-sentiments" kinda...it's annoying and honestly just not up to par..only the video quality keeps increasing
@@m_jade3602 yeah. It's annoying. If a product is bad just say it's shit. Why u gotta stretch it. I get it he's interviewed That Apple guy and will again in future that's why he talks carefully. But a person like him says it's trash then apple even might consider things
@@3xP90 I just came to watch how he’s gonna paint this shitty apple product into something people should pay money for and… he doesn’t disappoint ;)
The fact that Apple wants 400$ for a standard "upgrade" feature that even my old 100$ monitor had is astounding. This company is just giving every consumer the middle finger. Holy crap.
And people still defend them
@@elroxmusic blindly? he just gave you 2 reasons and left out tens of avoidable stuff apple does to make a quick buck and give the middle finger to customers, its not blind is it
My cheap Kia has more function than Ferrari F8, it doesn't even have a central display.
How the fuck is a product like this even aimed at “every consumer?” If you don’t like it then don’t buy it. I’m glad your $100 monitor fulfills your needs and you should be too. Imagine NEEDING a product like this and then being angry that an unnecessary luxury is priced appropriately.
What's your $100 monitor made of?
It's worth noting that you can control screen brightness from your keyboard which is something most other non-mac monitors don't support. If you work in a bright environment during the day and then use the same screen at night it's nice to be able to tone down the display.
I'm thinking that's not a big deal. If you are doing color critical work then you may take extra steps to control the ambient light.
You can control screen brightness with keyboard, i have functional addressable keys for my PC and it's not a mac
So I should get that vs oled for cheaper cuz kf brightness?
You can do it on windows.
The biggest thing for me was the 60hz refresh rate. For $1600 you can get a G9 which is 240hz and way bigger
There is no excuse at this price that this monitor doesn’t have at minimum 120Hz
G9 lmao!
@@MansaBC glmao 9
and HDR, and variable refresh, and local dimming.
@@richmahogany1 and poorly reviewed.
I thinkApple know the market position of this display is not meant to sell good , it is there to boost the sales of current iMac 🖥 and the next 27 iMac 🤣
Not good for apple is some million units
They’ve discontinued the 27” mac.
It's there for people going to the apple site to buy a display.
Many businesses and people will love it because it looks fancy.
And it's quite functional. With 5k, 600nit, speakers, webcam.
So it's for people who don't care about money looking for a nice display.
Why would they sell another $1800 27" iMac when they can squeeze $3600 out of you for the Mac Studio + Studio Display? Apple keeps yelling the scam at their customers and they keep responding "OMG I NEED IT"...
@@ChirdXtreme now you can also buy 2 monitors instead of 1
12:11 killed it!! ROFL that was hilarious!
Lol that was brutal.
Yep! Along with that outro. He nailed it.
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I have been passively watching your content for years and something about your delivery in this video finally prompted me to subscribe. Thanks.
I would LOVE to hear Apple explain why they made the power cord not removable... Like i get the stand, its profit motivated but the power cable is just bad for everyone. Its annoying for apple to have to store/protect massive monitors waiting to be fixed because its not just a standard part and having to make and produce that stupid "tool", its bad for studios because now its more expensive and has more down time, genuinely who wins?
I understand that apple is super greedy and will spin anything into a positive for the brand but they have been making some great products since switching to their own silicon and this EASILY could have been one, it could have used the A15 for Airdrop when your mac isn't on, apple tv apps, hell with 64gb of storage it could have been a digital photo frame while you aren't using the computer...
I need to know what their reasoning was... I can't think of anything other than just because "we were on a hot streak and we thought we should ruin that"...
Airdrop requires Bluetooth and wifi. Do you really want that in a monitor?
@@Cesarser004 yes, because it's not a monitor, it's a large iPad that has had functionality of its internal SOC removed for no reason.
Good call! With that storage, the processor, and the speakers, it easily could have an Apple TV baked in. Heck, it could be also function as a Home Pod. All of that onboard hardware should allow the A13 to be utilized while connected to a non-Apple device, but instead it's just disabled. Just with some software tweaks (and a wifi card) this could be a standout device.
My power cord is removable. Maybe this was a demo unit.
Pretty much the people keep buying Apple and Apple is looking for more ways to screw them over from time to time and non-removable power cord is just the latest adventure for that...
They are looking to test subscription service *JUST* to use the device you own, if you don't pay subscription, they brick your IPhone or Imac or whatever in the future and you have to send it all back in to Apple store to fix it or not.
Sorry, but not sorry, only **RETARDS** keep buying Apple, period. The more people enable Apple, the more they'll get screwed over.
For that extra $400, I can buy a extremely superior arm mount with more actuation action...this whole monitor, even from a monitor buying stand-point, IS AN AWFUL DEAL.
Exactly...
You could literally buy an oled TV and mount it to a monitor arm for that kind of price
Yes you could-- but then you will not have a stand if you ever want to sell it or use it in a different way so they save on material and cost and you still pay the same. They should just make all the monitors cheaper and make a vesa style stand for 199 which is sold spectrum. Like the Eve spectrum
8:13 lol, i see what you did there 😂😂
Great review as usual, Marques. This has been as always helpful. Still sticking with iMac for now.
Honestly this monitor would be great but Apple kneecapped it by making both the stand and power cord non-removable. And I also think that $1,600 base price for an SDR monitor in 2022 is ridiculous. Dell is literally selling a 5120x1400 175Hz QD-OLED for $1,299 with 1,000 nit peak brightness HDR.
And yes I get that the monitor I just mentioned is for gamers. But guys it's OLED and HDR and it looks incredible. You can totally use that for video editing and I'm sure many will. This display from Apple is just such a miss. I think it should have been $799. If it had removable stand and power cable, $999. And if it had HDR using MiniLED, $1,599.
That Dell display has less than half the resolution of the Apple Studio Display. It's an Apple to some other fruit comparison.
You can video edit on it, but can you read on it? The pixel density's so low. They could have at least given us 4K.
@@abubakrakram6208 im sorry for your eyes, the majority of people just use 1080p and before 10years people where able to read text on a DS with a resolution of 240p
I wish you a nice day and hope you can read my text with your ultra 8K high contrast true black monitor
@@matsu8205 so true man. I still use a 1080p monitor and I'm totally fine with it lol. And yeah what was he talking about? Reading text? Thats ridiculous.
@@matsu8205 I'm sorry people had to put up with that. That 240p screen sounds like a recipe for daily migraines. I was a school boy reading books 10 years ago, so luckily I didn't have to work on those.
Imagine you have a iPad, iPhone and MacBook 120hz and than a studio display with 60hz….for that price
My guess is if you have enough for the rest..... stop complaining? lol
nobody needs 120Hz, thats useless luxury on a monitor.
that will be a thing for the premium version, this is the cheap model.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl „Cheap“ 😂😂😂
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl For productivity it's still nice for scrolling and animations on my 165Hz monitor but not a dealbreaker. For gaming it's HUGE and there is no going back.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl I think the point he's making is that there IS a premium end model, but it still has 60hz.
Alright, so let me get this straight. Apple took an iMac 27", ripped out all the PC hardware, and sells that for roughly the same price. Yeah, this may be the only monitor for its very specific usecase, but lets not pretend your not getting screwed over here. This isn't a monitor that's worth $1600.
Also, its kinda laughable to say that the UltraFine 5K is "5 years old" and then pretend like this display is a new thing when it is later - rightfully - pointed out that this is just the same display panel Apple has been using for years.
Very valid points, but panels aren't the defining parts of the image quality. They play a big role, sure but not everything. Take Sony Bravia TVs, they use the same panels as some LG models, because OLED is proprietary to LG, yet their Bravia engine and processing make the image quality arguably better. But I do agree that this particular product just seems like a very bad deal with some weird design choices.
@@mukeshjain1140 those are things that you pay extra grands for that come standard in monitors half the price, its such a terrible deal for the majority
This is very true. Plus, *LCD?!* I also wish the refresh rate were at least 144hz.
@@beatknightgaming3361 Apple making a product for gamers?
Not gonna happen. Apple is too cool for gaming. unless you're on mobile
@@beatknightgaming3361 I mean 120Hz would be enough as well tbh
Can you recommend a great 4K monitor to go with the Mac Studio I just ordered? I’d like 32” or larger. Just had an IMac for so long that I’m not even sure what to look for. I’m a photographer/videographer.
I'm in the same boat Mike , leaning towards a Mac Studio ,but am not quite sure which way to go on the monitor . I have an older NEC PA241W but don't think it will do the trick .
@@jcam783 I actually made a decision and chose a monitor today. I went with the MSI Prestige PS341WU monitor.
Nope. Because Apple has made it so that every other monitor that isn't made by Apple will look like @ss.
Get an old Apple HD monitor. You can go third party, but everything will look weird and bloated.
Thank Apple for purposly crippling their machines.
@@mikemiville3009 Good Luck!
Do you know where the hidden display options menu is? Because you're probably going to need it lol.
@@theoriginalKland hidden display options menu??? Oh boy. I have no idea. Guess I’ll be doing some more research.
The display never seemed worth it… it’s way too expensive. You could get way more for the money you pay for it
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True
It literally has the A13 Bionic chip in it
The same processor on the iPhone 11, 11 pro, SE 2 and iPad 9
@@daniyalkhizar not worth the money only does certain stuff, it isn't fully utilised
@@daniyalkhizar But why it has that?
If this monitor had come out say 5 years ago it would be great, but it didn’t. The limited hdr, Ho hum webcam, 60hz. Sure it is a impressive enclosure and that doesn’t come cheap, but otherwise fairly ordinary particularly considering the price.
Just really not sure who they were aiming at, anybody serious about sound will have dedicated speakers, hopefully the software fix helps that webcam because that is very ordinary as well to the point that if you care how you look you would get a separate web cam. Cashed up people who aren’t too discerning of quality?
There are aspects that good and leading in an apple way, the IO and to a degree the calibrations and choice of panel, but so much compromise yet still for a premium is hard to swallow.
People who care about pixel density, which is most intermediate and above Mac users
@@spacecadet2172 I do actually care about pixel density and it is a shame good options are so rare, but still can be underwhelmed by the offering.
I have been spoilt with dell ultrasharp since early 2000s and rocking retina since the 2012 MacBook Pro. Don’t have to be a Mac user to appreciate quality
@@ThurstanHethorn I guess his point was that most apple users are brainwashed by the "retina" campaign to care a great deal about pixel density, even though most, if not all, monitors today are "retina" as apple defines it.
ie. My old and very cheap 23" 1080p monitor is "retina" when I'm looking at it from 91cm away.
"Ho hum" 😆
@@Smuglu admittedly I’m going on 40 and have worn glasses my whole life, but 5k at 27in for a monitor feels a little excessive. at 30 or 32” I would personally find that more useful.
I have been spoilt by high density screens the last decade and do find some standard screen density like looking through a screen door. So there is benefit above the 90-110dpi standard, but above say 150dpi probably rolls off fast and other factors being important.
Sure 1080p at 24in is pretty standard now hence cheap. It then becomes about quality purity of colour and decent contrast. It’s amazing how many monitors are poor quality . Then if you are trying to go big and high res it is still quite rare. I’m not a gamer so I’ve rarely phased by the high refresh rate and high res is not the enemy to frame rate for my needs.
$2K for 60HZ LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
4:02 Marques, I love your videos and all, but why do you use Final Cut without the magnetic timeline? It’s FCP’s best feature and it sets it apart from Premiere. Why???!!!
It never fails to amaze me how eloquent, informed, reflective and subtly hilarious your videos are man. You are without a doubt, the voice I look to hear on any new product. You managed to articulate a lot of my concerns while also acknowledging the very real desire to have one. Appreciate you so much MKB!
Agree 100 %… especially with the low key shade and humor I’m seeing more and more he’s such an intelligent humble class act and fun to watch and learn from 🙂
Apple seems to be making some backward decisions. The last time I saw a hardwired power cord with in 1997.
@@thequakerlight4871 yeah I find mrwhosetheboss goes into exhaustive detail that occasionally I find myself skipping through, whereas I find that Marques asks the abstract questions that always help justify a products creation. Both are great, I just have a special place in my heart for MKBHD.
I'd love to know Apple's justification for having the power cable hard-wired into the monitor. It's such a terrible compromise, and as Marques points out, if you have a problem with the cable you have to send THE WHOLE THING off to be fixed. I'm sure Steve Jobs wouldn't have signed off on something like this ...
Why would a cable break on a display? It’s build in a place mostly against a wall… At that price point that wall often would be of a work space… Also its strong enough… So what are you on about, yes it would have been the better option to take the supply, the 24” has. But well okay, move on.
@@TheKontraRecords Just because it's unlikely to break doesn't make Apples idea any less stupid.
@@TheKontraRecords You would be surprised..
I've seen monitor cables break because of the chair from the person infront.. pets.. kids.. and not so long ago a speaker fell and damaged the ethernet port of an all in one computer.. which now has to be used wirelessly.. if that were the power port.. the whole PC inside the monitor would be useless.
@@TheKontraRecords Quit being such a fanboy, you Apple fanboy. Why would a cable break on a display? Because not all workstations are up against a wall. But sometimes you set up or break down a workstation, you might accidentally trip on a wire and it's preferably to have the wire simply pull out from its sock than to rip or break the hardware. Are you Apple fanboys this dense? If Apple has taken you or your family hostage and are forcing you to defend them, blink three times and we'll rescue you.
@@TheKontraRecords They made it hard to remove because they know that some people will break the cable, they just made it hard enough so the user has to send it in to be fixed. If cables never broke it would be actually hardwired.
As someone who is currently in the market for a high resolution monitor (or two) to pair with a Macbook, this just makes no sense. I can't daisychain them. No high/variable refresh rate. No HDR. A pretty average brightness. No flexibility in the stand. A camera that's worse than my MacBook's.
Apple seems to have a REALLY big problem with continuity in their products at the moment. The Pro Display, Studio Display, and M1 IMac all have pretty much the same form factor, yet use three different stands, and three different power cables. They release a dedicated monitor that has a worse panel then the iPad , iPhone, and Macbook. It seems like they just roll a dice to decide what product they'll release each year, and with which features, with no thought to iteration and normal upgrade cycles.
The camera will apparently get fixed with a firmware update.
Maybe they will release a stand adapter that seems to be in line with Apple design philosophy
How is brightness average when everything he compared it to has lower nits? Wouldn’t that make this better than average, actually best in class? Btw I think this monitor is ridiculous, but that doesn’t change the fact what you said wasn’t accurate lol
how is 600nits average brightness? average is 350, maybe 400.
I agree with you. I really thought they had completely turned the corner with Mac design, but this screen being worse than my MacBook Pro's display is hugely disappointing. Here's hoping they will make a revision of it soon, but it took them so long for even this one to show up that I'm not optimistic about "soon." I suspect the real reason they didn't want to make it better is because then it will be pretty much an affordable version of their XDR display. And they really thought that adding an extra processor and nice speakers would make up for the price, but we don't care about any of that lol.
This is actually the only option if you want a glossy desktop monitor, which in itself is pretty mind blowing.
Why aren’t other manufacturers filling this gap in the market?!!
You’re preaching to the choir brother. I would easily pay $3k for a mini LED 120 Hz 5K glossy monitor. That ticks all the boxes I’d want for a monitor.
@@bren.r Thunderbolt 4 lacks the bandwidth for 5K/120hz, but perhaps TB5 will make a display like that possible someday.
@@tronam No it doesn't. TB4 can handle 5k120. DSC is a thing you know.
@@bren.r TB4 does not support resolutions above 4K at 120Hz.
@@tronam yes it does. Read the specification.
60hz LCD for that price is an absolute joke. Apple laughing all the way to the bank
That’s barely relevant for the target market of this display
they got my money lmao! love this display
@@arandomhumanbeing2464 target market of who? Apple fanboys?
@@nongmaithemavinash3977 professional creators, of course. No ordinary user or “Apple sheep” will buy this
@@arandomhumanbeing2464 there are way better deal with similar specs for professionals. And again if you are an artist, this ain't even touchscreen. For that price it's still a terrible deal for professionals.
Just a disclaimer, the webcam that Marques was promoting, he's a shareholder in that company.
But I agree, the built-in webcam quality isn't what I expect it to be. I'm not in the market for this type monitor anyway, I cant afford it. I can't afford the LG too. They're just not for me. The Dell, maybe.
Gotta say, not a huge fan of tech relevant undisclosed financial positions for tech reviewers.
Do you have a link showing he's a shareholder? Couldn't find one myself but would like to see what's it there.
@@dawsongooch4194 he mentioned it in a previous video
@@dawsongooch4194 he disclosed it once in a video called “My everyday tech: 2022” at minute 3:10. I agree I think it’s very important to disclose these things upfront so you know the possible motives behind the recommendations and claims.
@@kas4751 I think that it's fair to demand from him that he discoses it every time he mentions it and talks about competitors. The viewer doesn't need to know the entire catalogue of videos of a tech *reviewer* when it comes to a video for a tech *review* and needs to know where his biases lands. he should be more upfront about it because he would benefict from it the most: as a reviewer his credibility it's why people come to his reviews, undermining it this way feel kinda dumb
The advantage of the Studio Display is that it has an A13 chip and 64GB storage so can be improved on with updates. Apple has already confirmed an update is coming for the camera.
Absolutely. As an Apple “sheep” I must say this display is incredibly underwhelming and the price doesn’t justify everything that this thing offers. They missed the opportunity to put the real tvOS or any useful OS despite having that A13 CHIP AND 64GB OF STORAGE!!! I really want to give the developers of this display blows to their faces.
“Blows to the face” has so many possible implications lmao
@@julescinema1588 I meant punches :)) English isn’t my mother tongue tho
64 gigs is sooo weird, if I'd be paranoid I'd say it's for some kind of surveillance feature
@@julescinema1588 HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHH
I hope you realize that the developers are working for apple, which means final decisions are not made by them. IT goes through chains of commands. Anyways f this display. I am so disappointed.
I like mine. I agree about the power cord - don't know why they couldn't have used the same design they did with the new iMacs - with a magnetic closure. But it works great with my Mac Mini, I like the additional USB-C ports and it's worked out great for me.
Honestly I loved this video, the only thing I find difficult to swallow is the lack of VESA mention. Getting a VESA at the store should be the default choice for anybody practical or even not experienced with IT. Monitor that charges money for a height adjustable mount in a world, where we fill landfills with Dell height-adjustable VESA stands.
The worst thing is that you cannot just buy a third party adaptator after the fact.
You have to bring it back to a store for them to make you pay a premium to put the Vesa stand. But then you will not be able to put it yourself on the original stand. So you have to bring it back to.... Yeah well...
You almost had me on the first half with that closing argument about whether it is a good deal 😂
That’s how you end a review, honesty above all!
When I heard "Studio Display" for the very first time, I was hoping that maybe they did something like the Surface Studio, but with the only touch input being an Apple Pencil. I feel like that would make sense for design studios and such, but I guess touchscreens and Macs don't mix
Which is weird because macOS is more like iOS than it's ever been. A surface studio type Mac display with apple pencil would sell like crazy, even if they charge 2k or more.
Totally agree! They NEED to have Pencil support to macOS… not touch screen (there are trackpads that work way better for that) but support pencil… and it would make sense as they brought keyboard and trackpad to the iPad… so why not the other way round?
They just need to put MacOS on the iPad. They have literally no excuse now because both the iPad Pro and iPad Air have the exact same chip as all of the non-professional Macs.
They’ll do it in 10 years after people forget about the Surface Studio and then claim to be the first.
it's because they cant bump the price 500%, they'll prob do it in about 5 years, when the tech is even cheaper so they can overprice it even more.
I love the honesty at the very end 😍
Having good speakers on a monitor advertised for ‘studios’ and ‘professionals’ is completely useless. Actual professionals will use studio monitors or high quality headphones.
Yup
And same with a webcam and mics. Real pros use an external camera and mics.
@@Mamo878 That depends on what kind of pro you are, most people who professionally use computers and need microphone and camera for their work needs it for teams/zoom. For that purpose this is definitely good enough. Pro users are a really diverse group of people.
@@volundrfrey896 Exactly. That guy above is defining "Pro users" as if they are solely people who work with hi-end audio files and need crystal clear sound to nitpick their production. Pro users do other things, like Graphics, software, engineering etc. It's fair to say that even video editors don't need crystal clear, loud booming sounds, to get their work done. A pro monitor aids with visuals, not sound. So if it has a good enough speakers, a lot of pro users will still appreciate it, since it will justify the lack of need to purchase something separate just to hear things.
@@thecsciworker291 Precisely, I'm a software dev so I would consider myself a pro user. I've done work that requires speakers, as in let me hear that the sound technically works, but if anyone hire me to make artistic decision about the sound in their product then that person hired the wrong guy.
Macbook pro speakers and a pair of airpods are definitely good enough for my professional use. Any "audiophile" gear I own are purely for my own entertainment.
man, the QUALITY of this kind of videos, solid 11/10 for me.
also, imagine paying almost 2 grand for 60Hz in 2022. hurts.
You mean it hertz? :)
@@TikTokToo1 oof
@@TikTokToo1 get out.
Yeah, Marques really does have the best reviews.
@@Scorpiove Absolutely! Straight talk, common sense, sly humor...and hedoesn'ttalksodamnfastthatyoucan'tunderstandhim!
I've been appreciating Apple design for many years and willing to pay for features and architecture style. However, these recent decisions by Apple pushed me to replace my entire compute ecosystem. It’s going to take a year and I’m committed to doing so. Phones, computers, displays, watch - I’m going away from Apple.
- The undetachable power cord is an atrocity. Apple already had a solution in the color matched cable of iMac, which is a beautiful attention to style. Instead Apple lost on both architecture and function.
- Not being able to change the stand. Paid or not. Is nothing short of spitting on us customers. I realized it is not rain.
- Not being able to rotate by 90 degrees. I think that Apple lost significant revenue with this decision. How nice it would be to have an XDR in the middle, and two Studio displays…
- Having only one Thunderbolt port = no daisy chain (hey Apple, I was willing to buy a few of those displays).
These design decisions makes me feel for the first time that I will be satisfied only if the Apple product manager will be politely asked to go and work for another company.
Nice one buddy!
The way you convey information is very engaging. Some of the products/tech you review I would never purchase but it’s great listening due to your style. Thanks for all the great reviews and very un-biased opinions, it’s hard to find this these days.
I can't do anything but agree, for the price (apart from brightness) the leg ultra fine uppercuts the Apple Studio Display in almost every way. For example, the camera and price
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@@user-jt6xh2ln9z I think the lg ultra fine is in 5k and cheaper
correct me if I'm wrong
I think you mean "undercuts," not "uppercuts".
@@3xsxs953 Did I stutter?
Well it’s more or less the same panel, I believe they supply apple the displays for the studio display if it is actually the same display as the one found on the iMac 5k. They probably have an agreement with apple where they cannot turn around and undercut them their own product. Probably why apple could sell the 5k iMac but not the 5k display until now maybe idk.
The M1 Macs have provided almost no compromises at an affordable price (relatively speaking for Apple products), and are outstanding products in the eyes of many. The problem with this display is not the price as such (it's Apple after all), it's the fact that for the price there are compromises, which Marques has wonderfully pointed out in this video, that will make people at least consider the alternatives.
There really are no 5k alternatives at the moment.
Nope the price is still too high for the specs. Its missing 120hz and oled
@@bobhanuman65 Yeah, I was really hoping for an answer for this. I have 2017 27" iMac and I absolutely love the display. I considered getting a newer M1 Mac and giving this machine to the oldest, but I spend the majority of my time on this machine reading text and doing software work, and I can't help but think that I'd notice a difference in the resolution with a 4k display. I use a headset all the time and I'm not too concerned about webcam quality (can only look as good as the bum in front of it), so paying $1600 or more for those features sounds like a raw deal.
Just why does a 5k display cost so much more than a 4k? Are the panels that much more complicated to manufacture?
@@chateuaxfaygeaux Very few companies are making 5K panels and those that do have to charge a premium because there isn't that much of a market for them so they don't get the volume sales to bring the price down. Personally I think Apple missed the point on this display, it is supposed to be a studio display meaning those that need it will spend a lot of money for something truly outstanding. They went with an old panel in a shiny new box with a fixed power cord. So if you are using it for show, like in a marketing setting the power cord is a problem and so is the age and spec of the panel, if you are using it in a studio there are better options with better panels at a higher price. They could have pushed the envelope going for new technology like micro led but they didn't. Some would argue it's about cost, but when the display with an adjustable height stand is $2k no one who is on a budget is buying this thing.
@@bobhanuman65 There really are no 5k use cases either. It's a bonafide meme feature for a 27" monitor.
Honesty. Good character. I like it. Well done young man!
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I just picked up a 5k ultra fine LG display for about 60% of the cost of this (with taxes). And while it isn’t as aesthetically pleasing physically, the display is gorgeous.
I’ve been considering this display but I think the 5K LG is indeed a good option despite the ugly design
meh its worse in every way except price lol
It wish LG just use the same display but with modern body that has slim bexel. Maybe just don't include Webcam and other extra, just plain VESA 5K 27 inch monitor which will drive down the cost.
I'm getting the LG monitor too!
@@chidorirasenganz how? Less bright panel but still gorgeous, you get a good stand without paying extra $400, option to vesa mount, and even the webcam is better rn.
I appreciate how this videos title isn’t a total tease, made me feel respected enough in re to my time and attention to watch it the whole way through. Fine line to walk between that and not wanting to give away your lead entirely. Good job and Thanks.
What are you..apple kid who will start crying if he talks
My prediction about speakers: Yes.
Steve Jobs didn't want to make TVs because they don't need to be replaced every 2 years. They solved that with this monitor by overcharging enough to make up for it lasting a long time.
Airpods Max could be seen as a test run - can they get away with charging 5 times as much as better-sounding products, by adding a couple hard-to-compare features and wrapping it in a $2 aluminum shell? Yes, yes they can.
They confirmed that they can release anything wrapped in aluminum and people will drool and gush over it. Speakers are coming. They will be "consumer grade" with Beats-inspired sound signatures, and fail audiophile tests, but they will have sharp corners and 64 gigs of storage, therefore $1,999 + $499!
airpods max are constantly on sale theyre not selling well
Gotta love how people gush over aluminum. Like it isn’t the same stuff that comes with soft drink cans
11 Months later, the ending is still HILARIOUS.
Yeah, as a few other comments have mentioned; since they released this screen and the Studio at the same time, designed to be used together, yet they won't 'sit' together, just side-by-side, or with a 3rd party stand, it's a bit of a missed trick there..
TELEGRAM SCAMMER!
In a world where people are willing to spend millions of dollars on pixel art, is anyone surprised there are people out there who are willing to throw $1k at a stand?
Apple is a very smart company - they know their customers.
That's one way to say their customers are dumb
You should see professional gear cost of other companies…
@@stevenbmeza dumb and rich Af
@@stevenbmeza you're not wrong
@@robinarora8137 luxury customers are diff .
I'm surprised no reviewer I watched talked about the fact that if you want to use 2 or 3 of these together, like you can on the Mac Studio, you just pay for extra redundant 12mp web cams, speakers and A13 chips... and LLT showed these screens can't be daisy chained... I would have expected this monitor to have a screen only version that daisy chains via thunderbolt to the main one, even as a bundle or something. This monitor is a very strange combo of business decisions.
99% of editors will only use 1 27inch monitor. This Monitor was designed for the Mac Studio, it’s why they call it the Studio Display, and introduced it with the Mac Studio. Apple will be offering a “stripped” version of this monitor…just wait!!
It isnt strange at all. This is the idea with Apple they create a very specific package for each product. If you dont get exactly what you want. PAY UP $$$$$
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You are doing it wrong. Apple has said since the days of Jobs that users are supposed to be a part of the Apple "experience" and you will love it doing things their way. "this last comment was partially sarcastic, but I'm not even joking." This is seen as their entire ecosystem is designed to LOCK YOU INTO THEIR WALLED GARDEN. You are supposed to do things, change settings, and use the equipment exactly as they say so.
Peon. XD
@@Csnumber1 Will they? They haven't had such a thing for almost 15 years now.
@@Csnumber1 I doubt it, they want money
I’d like to add something to your completely correct thinking : if you can’t daisy chain it and you haven’t been spending the mac Studio money, because of having spend a lot on an MacBook Pro 14/16” already, you also paying a second 96W charger. ^^ - also bazels are pretty thick, when compared to e.g. U2720q - weird for a 2022 device.
Thank you. I was on the fence about buying a Mac Studio and watched several "middle of the road" reviews. This was wholly accurate, backed with receipts. Sorry Apple - I'll wait.
7:59 Mac cameras have a really bad habit of constantly recalibrating the brightness - and I guess now the white balance as well, judging by this clip. I can immediately tell when I'm having a zoom call with a Mac user, because their camera constantly shifts brightness levels. It's super distracting. And I can't fathom how this is not fixed yet, for a company so focused on "image" and "perception" like Apple.
Apple would just say it's the fault of the people NOT using Apple products.
I love how MKBHD is just finding a lot of ways to say "it's not a good deal" and it's nuts. Haha!
yea because it's not. It's an overpriced monitor rocking top-tier features from 3 years ago.
Thanks, Marques, for the first honest review of this monitor that I've seen! I am a long-time user of Apple products, including my 2015 27" iMac, and this, at its current price, is definitely, as you said, "a swing and a miss."
Yea and Steve would’ve turned around in his grave if he saw what Apple releases nowadays.
That basketball star comparison was hilarious! Great video
This is really one of the most fair reviews that Marques has done. He mentioned the good. He mentioned the bad. No fanboi stuff. Good job.
What's a review you didn't think was as fair?
@@AstroflashYT Many of his reviews have some bias. For example in his last review of the Mac studio he doesn't even mention price until the last seconds of the video. Also he never says that you can get a PC with comparable power with half or 2/3 cost, albeit not in the same small enclosure
@@yeahwellfu Exactly. You can't get a PC in the same form factor that performs as well nor one that runs Mac OS. So how important those are to you depend on the user, not MKBHD, so price is neither here nor there. Also bear in mind someone is not biased just because they don't agree with you. Someone is biased if they act upon a conflict of interest.
@@AstroflashYT Actually you can get a PC in a small form factor but will be probably be either louder or hotter than the MAC Studio. Every user chooses for himself according to his/her needs what to buy. MKBHD's job is to review the product and compare it with other hardware/software for similar workflows. How do you know that a Mac OS user wouldn't change to a PC if he knew that he could perform the same tasks with half the money? Lastly I don't care if MKBHD or anyone for that matter agrees with me, performance is quantifiable, not subjective. Also I have no idea what/if any conflict of interest MKBHD has.
@@yeahwellfu the Mac studio is a better deal and a solid product overall compared to the display.
In 2020 Apple pioneered Dolby Vision HDR on their cellphones which also featured OLED displays. In 2018 Apple released a 120hz HDR-capable display on the iPad Pro. But 4-years later, the new $2000 USD monitor can’t edit HDR videos…
Yup, hard to see any logic there.
It's mind-blowing that Apple can just charge whatever price they want lol
Consumers have the power to not buy products like this and send companies who are doing this a message. But there will always be blind fanboys who are willing to fork whatever price Apple or any company demands. Let's hope they are a very small userbase in this case.
If they have a MAC then they pretty much have to buy an Apple monitor because the MAC video signal is modified and every non Apple monitor looks like crap, Apple knows this and does whatever they want. Not just fanboys, slaves pretty much.
@@soltcolt4506 Not true. I connect a MacBook Pro M1 to different brand monitors, and get the same image quality as a PC gets on said monitors. Monitors I've connected to are Samsung 27" IPS 60hz monitor, Dell 27" and 34" IPS monitors and to an LG 5K monitor (that Marques shows in the video), and the image quality is the same regardless if it is a Mac computer or Windows computer that is connected to them.
It's because they have a line of mindless drones as customers that will pretty much buy anything with an apple logo on it
"Baffling" is a really good word, Marques. This reminds me a lot of the phone I keep wanting to buy, but don't - the Sony Xperia 1 (mark whatever). It is ALMOST what I want, but there are too many things about it that give me pause, and I end up saying I'll wait until the next iteration when so-and-so has been fixed to my liking.
Come on, Apple. Make the power cable and stand removable. Come on, Sony. A 4k screen is nice, but it should be a toggle in the settings for when you really want that extra resolution.
I feel like these companies do this on purpose, because if they built the perfect device, what would they ever do next?