Spot on! Great explanation of the new 2.0 poly strings. I too have been experimenting the last year with the next evolution of poly strings with the same conclusion of them. However, I’m so excited on the next generation of tennis professionals that are getting to use these 2.0 versions of poly as their favorite strings. Wicked amount of spin and power when using the 2.0 versions and kids of today are going to master the benefits of them. I’m ready to see where this technological revolution goes and tennis evolves due to them.
TL;DR: Hyper Snapback strings are marketed (Toroline & Restring Zero, not Sync) as a major upgrade, but after a year of play testing, I find the previous generation of polyesters may still have advantages. While Hyper Snapback strings offer better longevity and slick coatings, they can produce inconsistent results depending on swing speed. Pros also seem to favor tried-and-true options like Luxilon. Is Hyper snapback better, Yes and No! Should you believe the Hype, Yes and No! In the end, string choice depends on your personal style and needs-don't always buy into the hype! If you enjoy my takes, even if we don’t always agree, consider hitting SUBSCRIBE and LIKE! 👋.
Strings like Alu are good for pro's for 2 reasons: 1. Because they get them for free. 2. They use it for only one set. For recreational players it's absolutely better to use snapback strings like Toroline. Toroline wasabi actually first poly string i can use for long period without getting tennis elbow. All others made my arm hurt sooner or later.
Top Pros can not only get any string for free, but they could always negotiate paid deals too if they were so inclined. They typically combine their racquet and string deals with their racquet manufacturer into one contract. I'm very surprised you feel like Wasabi is arm-friendly, but that's great of it suits you. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
@@TK-Tennis I always wonder why Wasabi is so comfortable, maybe because of snap back?Can you offer other string for 4.0 player that is more comfortable than Wasabi and has decent durability?
Fascinating observations. While I think sponsorship may be a factor, I also think it is what the professional "grew up" with. Like the rackets they use, they use pretty much what they have been using for years. It is what they are used to. Now if they grew up with the new generation strings, then that is probably what they would still be using. As far as slow or fast swing, you may be correct. I have noticed that as well. I've been using the generation strings this year, and I do find better results if I just swing out on most balls. Like any situation, I have adapted and taken advantage of the extra snapback to get a good dip on the shot during doubles. Now, I've always looked for snapback, using a Weiss-Cannon Ultra cable and Wilson Revolve Spin setup for years and years (with Head Speed and Gravity Pro) to get an extra spin, but since switching to Yonex VCore 98 Tour, I'm looking for more control vs more spin, hence the switch to the new-gen strings. I mention that because if you use something enough, you get used to it, and it just takes time to get used to the new. Keep up the good work. Thanks for the videos.
Many of the top pros regularly test new strings and racquet setups (usually at the end of the season), particularly those who are younger and looking for any possible advantage. Even Roger made major changes throughout his career in racquets and strings. Thanks for watching
@@TK-Tennis Well in the case of Roger... How many years did it take to change to a 97 inch racket? And it was still a Pro Staff, just with a bigger head. Pro Staffs really didn't change for years except for paint jobs.I think he pretty much stuck with gut and luxilon, right? I know they will try new setups (adding weights, changing tensions, may be different strings), but their off season is so short, there usually isn't much of a chance to change, except when they are switching contracts, of course.
Beautiful area up there TK. Finally cooling down coaching in Florida. I would lovve to take some time and coach with a mountain or two in the back!! Have an awesome day man. I agree a lot with the higher snapback making it harder to control somewhat as the swing speed increases. If you think about it, the same goes for frames too... something like a Aero100 is going to have similar problems. Maybe we just have reached a point where just "more" spin isnt actually an advantage but a detriment without equal predictability. Ive been using 1..5 or "2.0" strings but just for the longevity of them, and usually with a cross that keeps them slick for longer. then again, it helps a lot to play these in a flexible frame, or an 18x20... always testing. Haha
Hey Wetshock, This time of year I would prefer to be in your part of the woods and continuing playing outside. Always be tinkering! Fair point about stiff frames, or at least something to think about 👍
I find myself generally agreeing with your take. As a recreational 4.0 player, I definitely think the major upside of these type of strings is, like you said, the playability duration. I don't break strings super quickly, especially in my 18x20, so it's nice that these strings generally don't have such a sharp dropoff in playability.
Appreciate your output TK. I agree I don’t think restring and toroline play much better (or worse) than previous ‘generations’. I do think you get more spin, and longer playability. That’s not nothing. Plus great colours if you’re into that. I think what these super slick strings all have in common is a lack of feel and touch. All quite dead I found. After trying them all, my fav was Toroline snapper surprisingly. Round and thinner - plenty of spin, more control/consistency and better feel. Though still not Alu etc. 🤙
That's not nothing, especially the longevity IMO and the colors are cool too. It's a good point about feel in touch. I often describe the hyper slick strings as more demanding which for most rec players is not a good thing IMO. 👋
I enjoy Gut strings the most. Restring and Toroline strings are the closest feeling. Soft, maintains good string tension well with good spin. I'm personally not sensitive enough to need that extra control. I rather not bring my racquet to restring every 3 weeks.
So maybe it would be best idea to hybrid first and second gen? I personally mostly prefer ReString Zero as a main with some older and no so fancy cross.
IMO pros would be totally fine using hyper snapback strings as they hit with a LOT of acceleration on all shots and use one string job for a set/~1h max. BTW, Toroline has less snappy options like Caviar and Enso Pro and so is Restring Sync not exactly the snappiest in the world of polys. I also think if you have tight string pattern like 18x20 in 95sq in, then hyper snapback strings make a great match. Providing a bit of extra bite and last/snap longer than say RPM Blast, LUX Alu, Hyper G etc. while the response is pretty consistent anyways.
I should have mentioned that Restring really only has Zero that would qualify as a slick/hyper snapback string. You are spot-on that Sync is much more akin to most prior generation poly's, and that not all Toroline strings have the extra slick coatings. 👋
I use the Wilson Pro Perforated, only in white. It's a bit thinner than most, but the drawback is longevity is quite poor. I change overgrips every 2-3 sessions, no more. (2) It's been a very long time since I used 4G, and it's been on my mind to try it again soon to get re-familar with it. it would likely be an ideal string to use as a foundational string to judge others against.
Hard to guess. With 18x20's you typically get more control anyway. Depending on your play style and level, some people may or may not feel like any consistency is lost at all. It's all preference and the Toroline strings are excellent strings, my observation was simply not to believe that they are superior.
I tried a restring zero (mains)+ wasabi x (cross) blend in my gravity pro (which is a 18x20) at 48lbs. It played great and it was really consistent. Probably the best racquet and string setup I’ve ever played with. Only downside is the price and durability. Now I play with a vcore 98 because that setup made me realize that I am more of a spin player that needs a bit of extra control rather than the other way around.
Possibly, depends if you want the faster snapback in the mains or crosses. Knowing snapback is most relevant in the mains, not sure if there is any use placing the slicker/hyper strings in the crosses, unless you prefer the feel of a certain Toroline string 🤷♂️
I don’t think that SnapBack adds spin more than 10%. I play with N Gut mains + PT Rev cross or full N gut as recreational player I still got same amount of spin. Swing path and ball pocketing does all the job
If by 10% you mean that poly strings don't add more than 10% of the rpm to your shots at the same swing speed then you're probably right. I don't notice much of a difference until I really ramp up my swing speed which is where I definitely notice extra spin from polyester strings especially since I can swing out more without missing (which means higher swing speed which leads to more speed). I also go through any string that isn't a full bed of polyester in 3 hours or quicker, but that's an entirely different concern.
how good are people that any of this even matters? it's hard for me to believe anyone under 5.0 is going to be any better because they got a little more spin. meanwhile, your footwork is garbage, you ball-tracking sucks, your timing is terrible, your court-sense is nonexistent and your power and spin creation is barely passable. until you're at least 5.0, this is all essentially true. strings aren't your problem.
None of what you said may be untrue, but for tennis enthusiasts who appreciate the nuanced equipment side these subjects are interesting and enjoyable to discuss IMO. Furthermore, many players who hit well (say 4.0+) can certainly feel these types of observations and make better decisions, while also working on their games. 👍
@@TK-Tennis I get it, have fun with it, don't want to stop you or anyone else, my only point is don't believe it's actually going to make you measurably better. I guess I've had one too many conversations with 4.5/4.0 players who talk about strings/racquets like it's going to change their game, meanwhile they neglect everything else that might actually improve their game. you talk about improving footwork, or off-court fitness, and the conversation instantly dies.
@mightbefire 100% agree, no chance it makes anyone measurably better. I think the best a player can possible expect is to find a string that provides whatever feel, signal, sensation, sound that gives them the most satisfaction and maybe a little boost of confidence. The confidence aspect alone allows someone to play better and enjoy the game a little more. That's a win in my view and that's the part of equipment aspect that is fun to banter about, versus the serious hard work of all that other stuff 😜
Spot on!
Great explanation of the new 2.0 poly strings.
I too have been experimenting the last year with the next evolution of poly strings with the same conclusion of them.
However, I’m so excited on the next generation of tennis professionals that are getting to use these 2.0 versions of poly as their favorite strings.
Wicked amount of spin and power when using the 2.0 versions and kids of today are going to master the benefits of them.
I’m ready to see where this technological revolution goes and tennis evolves due to them.
TL;DR: Hyper Snapback strings are marketed (Toroline & Restring Zero, not Sync) as a major upgrade, but after a year of play testing, I find the previous generation of polyesters may still have advantages. While Hyper Snapback strings offer better longevity and slick coatings, they can produce inconsistent results depending on swing speed. Pros also seem to favor tried-and-true options like Luxilon. Is Hyper snapback better, Yes and No! Should you believe the Hype, Yes and No! In the end, string choice depends on your personal style and needs-don't always buy into the hype!
If you enjoy my takes, even if we don’t always agree, consider hitting SUBSCRIBE and LIKE! 👋.
Strings like Alu are good for pro's for 2 reasons: 1. Because they get them for free. 2. They use it for only one set. For recreational players it's absolutely better to use snapback strings like Toroline. Toroline wasabi actually first poly string i can use for long period without getting tennis elbow. All others made my arm hurt sooner or later.
Top Pros can not only get any string for free, but they could always negotiate paid deals too if they were so inclined. They typically combine their racquet and string deals with their racquet manufacturer into one contract.
I'm very surprised you feel like Wasabi is arm-friendly, but that's great of it suits you.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
@@TK-Tennis I always wonder why Wasabi is so comfortable, maybe because of snap back?Can you offer other string for 4.0 player that is more comfortable than Wasabi and has decent durability?
Fascinating observations. While I think sponsorship may be a factor, I also think it is what the professional "grew up" with. Like the rackets they use, they use pretty much what they have been using for years. It is what they are used to. Now if they grew up with the new generation strings, then that is probably what they would still be using.
As far as slow or fast swing, you may be correct. I have noticed that as well. I've been using the generation strings this year, and I do find better results if I just swing out on most balls. Like any situation, I have adapted and taken advantage of the extra snapback to get a good dip on the shot during doubles. Now, I've always looked for snapback, using a Weiss-Cannon Ultra cable and Wilson Revolve Spin setup for years and years (with Head Speed and Gravity Pro) to get an extra spin, but since switching to Yonex VCore 98 Tour, I'm looking for more control vs more spin, hence the switch to the new-gen strings. I mention that because if you use something enough, you get used to it, and it just takes time to get used to the new.
Keep up the good work. Thanks for the videos.
Many of the top pros regularly test new strings and racquet setups (usually at the end of the season), particularly those who are younger and looking for any possible advantage. Even Roger made major changes throughout his career in racquets and strings.
Thanks for watching
@@TK-Tennis Well in the case of Roger... How many years did it take to change to a 97 inch racket? And it was still a Pro Staff, just with a bigger head. Pro Staffs really didn't change for years except for paint jobs.I think he pretty much stuck with gut and luxilon, right?
I know they will try new setups (adding weights, changing tensions, may be different strings), but their off season is so short, there usually isn't much of a chance to change, except when they are switching contracts, of course.
Beautiful area up there TK. Finally cooling down coaching in Florida. I would lovve to take some time and coach with a mountain or two in the back!! Have an awesome day man. I agree a lot with the higher snapback making it harder to control somewhat as the swing speed increases. If you think about it, the same goes for frames too... something like a Aero100 is going to have similar problems. Maybe we just have reached a point where just "more" spin isnt actually an advantage but a detriment without equal predictability. Ive been using 1..5 or "2.0" strings but just for the longevity of them, and usually with a cross that keeps them slick for longer.
then again, it helps a lot to play these in a flexible frame, or an 18x20... always testing. Haha
Hey Wetshock, This time of year I would prefer to be in your part of the woods and continuing playing outside. Always be tinkering! Fair point about stiff frames, or at least something to think about 👍
I find myself generally agreeing with your take. As a recreational 4.0 player, I definitely think the major upside of these type of strings is, like you said, the playability duration. I don't break strings super quickly, especially in my 18x20, so it's nice that these strings generally don't have such a sharp dropoff in playability.
Appreciate that, thanks for watching
I can´t wait for the full S7 tour review.
soooon! 👋
Appreciate your output TK. I agree I don’t think restring and toroline play much better (or worse) than previous ‘generations’. I do think you get more spin, and longer playability. That’s not nothing. Plus great colours if you’re into that. I think what these super slick strings all have in common is a lack of feel and touch. All quite dead I found. After trying them all, my fav was Toroline snapper surprisingly. Round and thinner - plenty of spin, more control/consistency and better feel. Though still not Alu etc. 🤙
That's not nothing, especially the longevity IMO and the colors are cool too. It's a good point about feel in touch. I often describe the hyper slick strings as more demanding which for most rec players is not a good thing IMO. 👋
I enjoy Gut strings the most. Restring and Toroline strings are the closest feeling. Soft, maintains good string tension well with good spin.
I'm personally not sensitive enough to need that extra control. I rather not bring my racquet to restring every 3 weeks.
Great video. I think the same as you. I am not a pro,so i need long playability for great price and supersmash is right choise
Always pleasantly surprised to hear that there is a seemingly healthy segment of players who use S-Smash. Thanks for watching 👋
So maybe it would be best idea to hybrid first and second gen? I personally mostly prefer ReString Zero as a main with some older and no so fancy cross.
IMO pros would be totally fine using hyper snapback strings as they hit with a LOT of acceleration on all shots and use one string job for a set/~1h max. BTW, Toroline has less snappy options like Caviar and Enso Pro and so is Restring Sync not exactly the snappiest in the world of polys. I also think if you have tight string pattern like 18x20 in 95sq in, then hyper snapback strings make a great match. Providing a bit of extra bite and last/snap longer than say RPM Blast, LUX Alu, Hyper G etc. while the response is pretty consistent anyways.
I should have mentioned that Restring really only has Zero that would qualify as a slick/hyper snapback string. You are spot-on that Sync is much more akin to most prior generation poly's, and that not all Toroline strings have the extra slick coatings. 👋
Off topic:1) what’s your main overgrip ? 2) your brief opinion on 4G ?
I use the Wilson Pro Perforated, only in white. It's a bit thinner than most, but the drawback is longevity is quite poor. I change overgrips every 2-3 sessions, no more. (2) It's been a very long time since I used 4G, and it's been on my mind to try it again soon to get re-familar with it. it would likely be an ideal string to use as a foundational string to judge others against.
How about the hypersnapback on a Toro string with a control racket 18x20. Do you think that’s going to lose consistency at 50 pounds?
Hard to guess. With 18x20's you typically get more control anyway. Depending on your play style and level, some people may or may not feel like any consistency is lost at all. It's all preference and the Toroline strings are excellent strings, my observation was simply not to believe that they are superior.
I tried a restring zero (mains)+ wasabi x (cross) blend in my gravity pro (which is a 18x20) at 48lbs. It played great and it was really consistent. Probably the best racquet and string setup I’ve ever played with. Only downside is the price and durability. Now I play with a vcore 98 because that setup made me realize that I am more of a spin player that needs a bit of extra control rather than the other way around.
Or how about hyper SnapBack crosses with hyperG round mains?
Possibly, depends if you want the faster snapback in the mains or crosses. Knowing snapback is most relevant in the mains, not sure if there is any use placing the slicker/hyper strings in the crosses, unless you prefer the feel of a certain Toroline string 🤷♂️
I don’t think that SnapBack adds spin more than 10%. I play with N Gut mains + PT Rev cross or full N gut as recreational player I still got same amount of spin. Swing path and ball pocketing does all the job
If you enjoy using gut, you'll get more consistent and predictable spin if you place the poly on the main
@ i did that but it eats the gut very quick
If by 10% you mean that poly strings don't add more than 10% of the rpm to your shots at the same swing speed then you're probably right. I don't notice much of a difference until I really ramp up my swing speed which is where I definitely notice extra spin from polyester strings especially since I can swing out more without missing (which means higher swing speed which leads to more speed).
I also go through any string that isn't a full bed of polyester in 3 hours or quicker, but that's an entirely different concern.
how good are people that any of this even matters? it's hard for me to believe anyone under 5.0 is going to be any better because they got a little more spin. meanwhile, your footwork is garbage, you ball-tracking sucks, your timing is terrible, your court-sense is nonexistent and your power and spin creation is barely passable. until you're at least 5.0, this is all essentially true. strings aren't your problem.
None of what you said may be untrue, but for tennis enthusiasts who appreciate the nuanced equipment side these subjects are interesting and enjoyable to discuss IMO. Furthermore, many players who hit well (say 4.0+) can certainly feel these types of observations and make better decisions, while also working on their games. 👍
@@TK-Tennis I get it, have fun with it, don't want to stop you or anyone else, my only point is don't believe it's actually going to make you measurably better. I guess I've had one too many conversations with 4.5/4.0 players who talk about strings/racquets like it's going to change their game, meanwhile they neglect everything else that might actually improve their game. you talk about improving footwork, or off-court fitness, and the conversation instantly dies.
@mightbefire 100% agree, no chance it makes anyone measurably better. I think the best a player can possible expect is to find a string that provides whatever feel, signal, sensation, sound that gives them the most satisfaction and maybe a little boost of confidence. The confidence aspect alone allows someone to play better and enjoy the game a little more. That's a win in my view and that's the part of equipment aspect that is fun to banter about, versus the serious hard work of all that other stuff 😜