The end for Victron? Is this the future for van life power?
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2023
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Can an all in one (NOT A POWERBANK) finally take on a conventional style VICTRON setup. Let me break it down for you.
I put the Clayton LPSII head to head against the what we all thought was the best in town.
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This Clayton system absolutely transformed my Grand California. I can vouch for the quality of the product. It has never missed a beat at all and with the battery expansions coming out shortly there is options for everyone that wants even ridiculously over the top amounts of power.
25% off is insane too, you spoil your subscribers 😂
Nice one mate
If only you had a handy travel guide to Scotland to acompany your offgrid trip... Now where would I find one of those!!!
@@ahoyleisure 😂😂
@ChrisSloanes ....You briefly mentioned the Clayton in one of your videos but never did a proper follow-up video about it. Or did I miss that one?
@@stevewilliams9753 im not a techy or any good with that stuff so it’s not a video I could make. I leave all that to people that can like Aidan. But all I know is that it’s been a game changer for me and I’d recommend it to anyone.
Good to meet you today and chat about the clayton certainly is food for thought on like for like system build
Nice one mate 👍🏻🔋
Thanks for this video Aiden. Main questions I have are....
On the monitoring side of things. Do you link to it with your phone through an app or is all info interogated from the unit?
Can you link a controller like the Victron digital multi control to limit drawn power from shore and control it manually. I see in the Clayton website there is a manual controller but just has a fairly basic functionality, showing charge level, and allowing switching between 240v/12v. It also allows you to jump start your van from the unit.
Does the unit get particularly hot, for instance while DC DC charging whilst travelling?
Are the components inside the Clayton similarly fused and protected like in the Victron system.
As far as I can work out. This does the job of the Victron Inverter, Lynx Distributor, Smart Solar MPPTs, Orion/Buckboost, Smart BMS, Victron Battery. GX GSM, Smart Shunt, GX Touch, Cerbo GX Victron Mega Fuse Holders, Battery Protect. Alot of cable and accessories.
But I think I dont think it has much remote functionality, which is not actually that big a drawback. You wont be able to do cool stuff like linking various sensors like water tank fill level info into the system and show it on something like a Colour Control.
Yes. This will never have the cerbo functionality. But there is a bca I believe it’s called nun the pipeline. A digital monitoring display. Touchscreen etc. at the moment it is very utilitarian and basic.
The unit does get warm in places. But not hot. A certain amount of ventilation is always advised with all systems especially with a b2b. These get the hottest.
very interesting video and topic. thanks for bringing this to the campervan builders world. my van is finished and has a victron system in it which i'm very pleased with. granted i didn't build that part of my van build, it was beyond my skill set but luckily i found someone to build the system for me. maybe if i was just starting my build and was having to make a choice between say viltron and clayton i think it would be a very hard decision so a very interesting topic.👍👍👍👍
This is a great comment. Thank you for not just saying what you have is the only answer ha.
That is what this video is. Information on options and the consequences etc.
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This is my view too. Thankfully we are seeing a change towards higher quality commercial grade plug and play units and this is why I’m trying to stop Clayton being a hidden gem in the industry but I get a lot of stick from Victron fans on the forums and groups 🤣. And rightly so it’s great debate and really good for the industry and community of trade and DIY builders. Renogy’s REGO is another interesting product but Clayton with the new additional battery add on is the winner. It’s just saves so much time and space.
I went down the Clayton route a while ago , great bit of kit and so easy to install 👍wish I put one in my T5 but going all electric in mwb
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Thank you for the information. Can I connect it to my existing 2 lithium battries of 200ah?
No. But expansion batteries are imminent.
Very interesting piece of kit. The website doesn't mention how many charge cycles it can withstand. Curious why they chose to use lithium ion rather than LiFePO4
It says li-on but down the page a little it says LiFePO4. That's what I read but I didn't do a deep dive into it.
Right you are. New times. New build scenarios.
And is it's so much less space too.
Yes. Purists may say it’s cheating. Or somehow it doesn’t deliver the same. If when you flick a switch. That appliance works. It works. 👍🏻
@@urbanarkoverland I know. Got several look at my AC200 install. Cause they couldn't see the ease of integrating it.
If I'd know of these higher end Clayton's I would have considered it too. Outlets are just better.
Top content as always Aiden 👌 I've messaged Mark a few times but had no reply as yet.Only just starting on our sprinter build but 100% Clayton is the way to go for us.
Ok mate. Please try him again 👍🏻
@@urbanarkoverland Will do 👍
I feel myself thinking, yeah your making some great points, but man a victron setup looks soo cool. And isn’t that why we do anything haha. Joking aside. Great video. I’m thinking of going down the victron route. But why that appeals to me is, I’m currently in the planning phase (don’t have a van yet) so after I’ve figured out what my system will consist of. I plan to start buying it bit by bit to spread to cost out (and so the other half doesn’t know the true cost 😂)
Ha ha. Like the video states. I have a guy. 👍🏻
This is a Brit 100% 🤣
Really interesting video, nice to see some smaller options as lots packed in there. I’m mostly Victron which seem to work very well (with 460ah LiFePO4 battery) but you’re right on space and cabling and time taken. Had this been out when I bought my stuff I would have certainly considered it.
Roll on innovation.
All the best, David 👍
You sir…. Are my kinda people.
This is a great way to be ya know. A lot of people will see there own set up and refuse to believe that, that isn’t the only option. So thanks. 👍🏻
I'm having a VW conversion done but they won't do full off grid conversion just the standard AGM battery set up.
I wanted an off grid system but it's going to cost a fortune plus there's a problem with space.
So are you saying the Clayton lps2 unit is the only thing im going to need to attach my solar panels to and connect it to the battery.
I'm going to be using a Fogstar lithium.
The reason for all this is simply I'm going to be homeless come March so I've decided To go full off grid and live full time in a VW so that's why I need the off grid system.
So where do I get the Clayton lps2 unit from please and what is the cost.
Thanks Adrian 😊
Hi mate.
You don’t even need a battery with this. It’s already in there.
Email me. Link in description. I get amazing discounts 👍🏻
Very interesting subject bud. From a professional point of view Victron has rapidly become the bench mark product for professional vehicle convertors over the last few years and rightly so they have great products with a solid customer service. Clayton have a proven track record within the commercial vehicle market and the LPS 2 seems like a really solid product. For me I see both types of systems definitely have their place 👍🏻and indeed as you said it the Clayton LPS 2 is not in the same league as any of the crappy power stations. 🦍
Yes mate. Thanks for that. There is a time and place for both I feel. It’s down to the end user and who ever is paying ha ha
Nice one Andy. I think it's safe to say that using Victron as a comparison is a massive salute to the brand. It's omnipresent in the community and trade and almost the default for "what is in the back" on big or prestige van builds - and well deserved too. I wouldn't be surprised if Victron starts developing more plug-and-play solutions in the near future anyhow. Really interesting time to be seeing how things are changing... it wasn't that long ago a split charge relay and a few AGMs in the back were just fine :-)
@@urbanarkoverland for sure bud 👍🏻 I think people will find great value in the info you have provided regarding this product 👌🏻
@@ahoyleisure Motorhome fitters/manufacturers are so far behind (most of them anyway) still fitting old tech and charging big £'s for it.
Where can I get a Clayton system in Australia or will Clayton deliver systems to Australia?!
Not yet mate. But think they are soon.
What is the battery size required if one was building a Victron system that was comparable to Clayton Power LPS 3000? And how long would it take to fully recharge the Victron system if one was only using your vans inverter?
As dont most power banks such as the EcoFLow etc require at least 4-5 hours driving?
It always depends on usage. The equivalent battery in here is about 160ah battery of lithium.
If you were to drive and started at 0. It would take less than 4 hours. If you add the extra b2b. Closer to 2 👍🏻
@@urbanarkoverland So the "equivalent" Victron system would take around 4 hours to charge whereas the Clayton would take under 2 hours if using the extra b2b? Surely that's a massive plus for going the Clayton route.
@@robfodder5575 I actually dont mind the sales speak. All I want to know is how many hours/minutes driving would it take to fully recharge a Victron system which is similar in specs to the Clayton LPS 3000. The Clayton can be fully recharged in under 2 hours. Would the comparable Victron system require more or less driving?
Same, no ones inventing anything new here
@@stevewilliams9753 depends on the size of the battery bank. One Victron b2b is 30amps. The internal b2b here is 41.5 amps I believe. So if you had the same Deficit to charge. The Clayton will be 25% quicker 🤷
You should try the all in one renogy controller inverter 3000w all you need is a battery or two and it’s going to be even better especially as you can change the batteries when they where out
There are many options. I’m not saying it’s this or Victron. But that’s what a lot of people choose. I know you can build cheaper systems.
Great video bro, question, if I brought two Claytons do I need a lithium battery installed?
Huh. The battery is inside the unit. It has 160ah inside it 👍🏻
@@urbanarkoverland cheers bro
@@vincenthooper7588 👍🏻
So I've no need to improve my leisure batteries, great news, can I charge the new system with my solar panels?
I considered Clayton quite a few years ago ( i believe at the time, it had no solar ability).
Most of my builds for the past 2 years have been heavily made up of Victron components paired with 2-300 amp battery banks.
The compact size if the Clayton is very appealing, but if you need 300a....how big will it be with the add in packs?
I have built using other makes, and what appeals to me about Victron is that it is available world wide and i guess if you had a problem, then you could find someone nearby who could replace a part.
An all in one system definitely has disadvsntages when you get problems (not that i have ever heard bad things about clayton). Although the parts do take up a lot more room , a victron system can be spread around the wall space above a wheelarch.
The big plus to me, is that you can tweak and change a system to suit your requirements.
But i agree....a victron system can get very complicated and doing it as a one off diy project could be a lot of hard work and a steep leaning curve....i have probably had an autolec helping me for the past few days on a reasonable sized system.
Never say never .....but not in my current van😉.
Ye. Some fair points. The add in batteries are very well sized. The 280ah is less than the size of the Clayton itself. And the 100ah is so small.
These units have been in commercial use for 10 years. They do last in an environment where they aren’t necessarily being treated with live either.
Thanks for your comment. Some real valid points
@@urbanarkoverland they are definitely build for commercial use. For our industry they possibly need some form of control interface that is a bit sexy🤣🤣... I know not everyone wants that, but it's nice to have as an option 😊
Victron really seems to have a lot of momentum. I finally pulled my Epever 8415 to try a Victron 100/50, smartshunt, and Cerbo GX for our off-grid art-studio. I decided to test them head to head, and to be honest, the Victron hasn't fared well, both in full sun and off and on clouds. vs. the Epever I had hoped that I could compare apples to apples with the smart shunt and Cerbo, but that system has enough failings that I couldn't even really do that effectively due to the lack of some simple statistics that it really should have( I may be missing something here). We were going to buy a multiplus 2, for another off grid system to power our garage A/C, and charge our Ford Lightning, but I think we'll likely just use the Epever, since it also does 48v. I've been surprised with the pricepoint, quality and usefulness of the the epever product versus just about everything else.
Fair play.
Epever is good but it's still really 'chintzy'. Saying that, I use them as I don't care about how cool my solar products are...it's such a weird thing to want to show off
I agree with the skill set argument but the LPS II 3000 is actually a 170Ah setup at 12V with 30A mumps so if thats your capacity requirement all good but at €4618.75 inc VAT you can buy a lot more capacity mixing Victron , renogy etc even if you pay someone else to assemble it.
But sure what mumps is.
I wasn’t comparing it to renogy and mix though. That’s the point. You can build 170ah system for a third this price out of lesser items. I believe that people that buy ‘some’ Victron end up buying all Victron. That’s the point. People have bought into it. Because they assume it’s the right thing to do. This is an option. A DIY option with professional results.
Whats “mumps”?
@@twangogt no idea. So much wrong with his comment 😂
Hi bud Which would you recommend, this Clayton or Bluetti?
Are you in the uk?
See my other video that with similar thumbnail. If you email me I can organise a chat to help
@@urbanarkoverland hi pal thanks for your reply. Yes I’m in the UK bud.
@@davidmaclean5386 send me an email bud 👍🏻
@@urbanarkoverland Hi pal I’m pretty useless at social media. Where will I find your email pal.
@@davidmaclean5386 arkcustomuk@gmail.com
Clayton reliability would be a bit of an unknown compared to Victron... but otherwise seems to make more sense for the majority of vehicle owners?
Clayton have actually been doing this for way over 10 years. Just not really been linked to the leisure world. 👍🏻
I used to fit Victron and Sterling systems in narrowboats many moons ago. Victron have been doing this stuff for a long, long time and are the best in the business. I'm surprised there are not more Sterling systems in these vans as it was always the next "go to" in the boat world...
But, Victron's leisure market is a small amount what they do. They make fully, off grid systems for towns in the middle of a deserts... It's shocking what a massive Victron system can do! They don't need to make the stuff smaller because this market is irrelevant to them. These are great bits of kit and I would happily try one. But if I had an unlimited budget, I'd go Victron.
It's been a long time since I have been in the "DC" business, but Victron's customer service/dealers were always spot on.
Microsoft vs Apple is a great metaphor. Apple is user friendly no matter the skill level. Thus, everyone uses it. Microsoft run the world the modern world because it is infinitely adaptable...
I possess the skill set to install Victron, but this is definitely the way for the average builder and DIYer to go and these systems will just keep getting better and easier to use.
All very valid points mate.
I thought my viewers would like this as a lot are self builders 👍🏻 I know Victron are the best in their business. This just ticks different boxes.
@@urbanarkoverland No doubt they are, and I completely agree with you. This is the way forward for self builds without a doubt! I couldn't afford to cram a Victron system into my van and I probably wouldn't have the time either. Times have changed for me, so when the time arises that I need the "off grid" in my van, this is probably the route I'd go. 👍
@@gazbailey4816 👊🏻👊🏻
Can you add more battery capacity to it?
Yes. It’s literally becoming available now. 👍🏻
How, and can i add a couple of my old lithiums?
That would be perfect for my partial off grid cabin!@@urbanarkoverland
A 2 year warranty vs 5 or 10 year warranty , you cant shrink quality components ( not suggesting the other isnt quality ), having said that its a van not a boat on its own in the ocean , a full house /comercial /industrial premises. victron probably is over kill most of the time for a van, and the Clayton is probably perfect for a van
Fair points.
I would defo go with one of those or the ecoflow power kits if I built a new van, with an induction stove. The amount of time I would have saved on installing an electric system and them a small gas system! 😂
Gas is dead ha.
@@urbanarkoverland Yeah, kinda. It is cheap though and if you're parked up for a week you don't have to worry about solar to have a cuppa. Suppose you could have a jenny outside! 😀
@@brendanryan262 gas is cheap. Just hard to find the auto gas at the moment. Go for a half hour drive and you will be good. Or solar 👍🏻
I still prefer a victory set up, inverter breaks, get a new one, battery packs in get a new one etc etc, any of those items break in this unit and you literally need to get a whole new one, not to mention the battery capacity is minimal governed by its size….nah not for me that.
Ye and that’s bridges people have to consider.
The parts inside are changeable. You wouldn’t in fact need a new system totally. You can get replaceable parts. Just means you can’t buy them from Amazon etc.
@@urbanarkoverland I think that unit has its uses in say a police van, ambulance, highway maintenance and the like but not a fully kitted out camper. Probably why ape don’t use them? I mean will the company even be around in 10 years should you need a new part, what is the longevity? You know what you get with victron and I’m pretty sure they will still be around for many years to come. Appreciate the time and effort you put into uploading and showing us alternative options. Cheers for that 👍
@@aberdeendeltaforce been around for 10 years up to now. So hope so.
Ps. Ape put one in his own van 😏
I'll get me a lottery ticket this week I will. I wants one of these I do. Do yer think they might sponsor a pensioner ?
Lived in me Sprinter fer four year and only had that there Victron stuff.
Time to sponsor a pensioner it is.
Ha ha. I didn’t even get mine for free ha ha a
Great video, great product, what web site is doing the 25% off, cheers
Check the description mate. It’s below where it says more. 👍🏻
Sorry maybe i am being thick, double checked and still none the wiser tbh, found the following on your previous video 25% OFF UAO25 @ AHOY LEISURE but no webpage link, is redeemable via Clayton Power or Ahoy Leisure, cheers ;-)
Can only find a link to transporter HQ and can’t find a 25% off anywhere!
@@cphcarbon7160 25 is over bud. Make it work with 10. Promise you won’t regret it. 👍🏻👍🏻
your victron set up has big chunky wiring for a reason ,looking at the little box of tricks i cant see it having the same type of wiring, so i like the idea of the box of tricks, but wonder if it really is up to the job, a electrician might have the answer to my fears for these products, which if suitable is alot less faff than paying someone to install it but if off grid you want something built if using 365 days a year, these are a few of my thoughts and fears for these products cheers sam
Well I’ve been using it now for a good 6 months and it’s spot on. Ran an air fryer at 2700 watts for 35 minutes and it didn’t skip a beat.
So could I go full electric no diesel heater no gas full electric?
Would be hard pushed to heat ya vehicle using electric. That’s a major power consumer. Diesel heater for heat 👍🏻
Yes, but you'll struggle to have enough solar in winter to charge the massive battery bank you'll need it. Probably not practical in a cold climate, but a temperate climate that just needs a little heat sometimes you could. Still not worth it, use diesel
Are these units available in the USA?
Not yet 😬
Thank you!
@@urbanarkoverland
Umm interesting 😊
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I would love to see this system available in North America.
Yes. You’re not the first.
I ‘think’ it’s in talks. Can’t be sure.
@@urbanarkoverland it's here now.... I found this video after already having purchased my victron shunt and LiTime 200AMP battery.... not sure what to do now...
@@betterwithrum decisions ha. Do you mean it’s in America?
@@urbanarkoverland Yes, I google searched Clayton LPSII and their page came up and then it asked if I wanted to go to the Americans page. Prices are still in pounds and it looks like I have to pay VAT if I want to go this route.
Who in England can fit me a Clayton power please
I have a guy. Email me 👍🏻
If this isn't a sponsored video why does it say "includes paid promotion?"
Because I am talking about products.
It doesn’t mean I was paid or gifted. As soon as you ‘product place’ regardless of payment it’s best to press the button.
All that video and that’s your comment 🤷🏼♂️
I love you dude, but since you've gone full time on UA-cam you've become a salesman lol. I get it, you need to pay the bills but it's like every video since has been selling something to us.
Not really mate. I bought this unit and have no affiliate from a monetary point of view.
Neither the £350 brackets from hess.
No financial gain for the seat war on eBay.
Camper jam video.
A live.
A van tour.
An oval a that’s been in my van for 8 months.
In fact the only freebies were the scanstrut stuff. Because people asked to see more.
I’m building a van and showing people. So the content may have stuff in it.
Oh and an e-bike. Which I def did for the revenue.
Since being full time. All I’ve done is spend spend spend. To create content. In a hope for it to come back around.
Hope you stick around mate. 👍🏻👍🏻
Not hating buddy just an observation, and am defo still sticking around 👍.
@@carlfielding2082 ye. You started with I love you. So I know you are probably just frustrated I’ve shown a few things that you haven’t been interested in.
But honestly not affiliated to much of the stuff I put out. I ask for discount codes for the viewers. Never a kickback code. I do try for stuff that I want. But only to keep the cost of making content down.
Like doing another 5 upgrades under £100 for transporter. People loved it. And ye I’m showing 5 products. And even if I got all the items free. Clues in the title it’s less than £100 ha ha.
Truly thanks for watching mate. 👍🏻
@@urbanarkoverland honestly I get it mate, ignore my comment wish I didn't say anything now aha. Plus you're going to have to turn salesman to get us to buy that cool over wheel table. I look forward to getting one if they fit the Boxer. 👍
@@carlfielding2082 no mate. Please don’t feel like I’ve bullied you into not having your own opinion. That’s definitely not my intention.
I was only trying to remind you that I have put a lot of other stuff out. Tonight’s video was in fact filmed same day as part 1. There was just so much it wasn’t digestible. And took hours to edit. Don’t ever stop saying how you feel in this channel. Your initial comment wasn’t rude or offensive by the way.
Email for table enquiries 💰 ha ha aha
Hi I think it is way overpriced and only fills the market for those that are unsure of electrics. The top of the range unit only provides 160Ah. I can build the same unit but instead of 160Ah I can get 400Ah and cheaper. My advice is to lower the price and make it more appealing to those that can build it cheaper. You will sell a lot more. Turnover instead of a large profit.
Totally disagree. It doesn’t only fill the market for those unsure if electrics. It bolsters a market where space time and money is a premium. Not sure what system you are building at 420ah for the same money. But I’m out on that. Professional van builders are installing these. So it has nothing to do with knowledge.
Hi mate, everyone to their own I guess. Keep the vlogs coming, looking forward to the next.@@urbanarkoverland
*photovoltaic / solar thermal technician here*
pc / apple comparison. sony vaio gave apple a run for it's money. i have repaired microsoft and apple, i prefer pc's.
anyway back to the subject. my hat off to Clayton, great product great video
Thank you sir. 👍🏻
Doubt that Clayton's specs are remotely accurate. Test it with a spit AC
What do you mean.
Why would they not be remotely accurate. Quite a cynical outlook
Correction, the only reason i won't be buying one is that I am not in the UK and the US doesn't make anything of their own any more.
Ah. I get a lot of people from the states asking about this. And while you may feel unlucky. You have sooooo many other products that are almost unreachable to us in the uk.
Owl vans. Van compass. Agile off road. Flarespace. Rigwell. So many. That when we import it costs so much. It could be worse brother. Your currency could be the great British pound.
Show me the clayton
Check out last weeks vid mate.
Not at that price it's not I have a bigger setup with much more potental to add on I put together for much less you just need to know what you're looking for and where. Renogy 200ah lithium 620w single solar panel, tr orion 12 12 30, mppt 100 50, lynx distributor 1000, renogy 3000w inverter all of that fits under my double seat along with the diesel heater around £1700 with wiring, crimps, fuses and switch panels isolter switches and trip switch. Renogy do a dc to dc and mppt built in to one now so if I was to do it again I'd get that and keep the solar renogy and buy it all at the same time and you'll get a very good discount making my setup even better on price.
That’s not the point is it. I didn’t compare it to renogy. I’m not saying it can’t be done for cheaper. I’m directly comparing it to Victron.
@urbanarkoverland yes and most of my stuff is victron.
@@deeeeeeeench1209 not for £1700 it isn’t.
Rrp. Just the batteries is that
@@urbanarkoverland lynx distributor mppt 100 50 orion tr 12 12 30. All victron oh and smart shunt forgot about that
@@deeeeeeeench1209 you are not understanding the narrative are you.
I'm sure that you can pack the same quality (and longevity) of items into 1/5 of the space...
Sure!
If compressing these products could be possible without sacrificing longevity and reliability - Victron would have done it.
Also, why would you compare a professional system which meant to be for critical infrastructure installation for companies/providers with a hobbyist equipment?!?
So when Victron being one out. Would you be willing to change your way of thinking???
@@urbanarkoverland
I do absolutely agree that no DIYer needs a Victron and it's a hype. But your comparison is still not valid and true as they are aiming for a different market and they are different quality hence the size and price difference.
Same argument could be that a Suzuki Swift is a much smaller and cheaper vehicle than a Volvo V90 and still can carry the same amount of people so why would you buy the latter...
It's good that you are talking about the newcomer but you shouldn't have brought Victron into the conversation as it's unfair to both, that's all.
@@thegabormate but a swift and a Volvo deliver different things. This delivers the same. Hence the comparison
@@urbanarkoverland Oh, apologies, didn't realize I can remotely access it and do remote firmware updates, has extra functions like Power Assist and comes with a 5 year warranty not to mention it integrates into a smart home system without a hitch. Also you can easily upgrade the connected battery and it communicate with an external BMS over CAN protocol 🙃
@@thegabormate apology accepted. No problem.
Does a ‘van user’ need all of that. Or is that a little over complicated for a few lights. A fridge and a water pump. That’s the point you are missing.
I’m not saying that Victron isn’t good no even say theee times in fact. That it’s the best. But is it needed. Is it necessary. Is it over engineering for the VAN community.
Unfortunately no international model.
Where are you?
@@urbanarkoverland Australia
Clayton needs international models to handle Canada and USA as well.
@@sprinterdiscovery for sure
Short sighted to release a product that can only be used in the UK.
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Yes mate 👊🏻
Auto correct as usual , should say 30A tops
What should??
But what is 30 amps tops??
Blah, blah, Blah! 2 much senseless chatter. You'd b better off selling cheap shoes down @ market place! 😵💫
I looked in your account for some pointers. But it’s nameless and contentless.
Your mum told me. If you haven’t got anything nice to say. Don’t feel the need to say anything
@@urbanarkoverland Just a comment! No need for the heat. You must b one of those new age sensitive guys? 😉
@@outthere9370 not even a little bit. Not just a comment is it.
A lot of work goes in to making videos. A lot of people enjoy them. Some don’t. If you don’t. Just move on. No need for the derogatory comment.
Invaluable channel, which I have learnt a great deal from. I for one am very grateful for your efforts 😁. Keep up the great content and delivery of it.
@@Manictwig thank you so much.