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Thank you so much for sorting this all out. I'm no dummy - I have worked for over two decades as a marine electrician and I have a degree in software engineering. I love Victron products, but they need some serious help (from you perhaps?) on making their naming/marketing understandable. Best regards, Charlie
@chippyjohn1 US 240 is two legs of 120, not one leg of 230 like most everywhere else. I don’t make the rules. I just provide the education and sell the parts to how things are in reality, not in a fantasy land.
You’ll be pleased to know I was one of the 6!😇 Magnificent summary, my sincere appreciation for you taking the time to produce this content! Is the flow chart you mention at the beginning available to use? Thanks
Me too I made it through the video. sure is a lot of information. The further along I get with my solar stuff the less I believe I understand. Hopefully that starts changing
That was very useful. Victron's lineup is really quite confusing when you start trying to work out why they have so many similar devices. Now I need someone to do this video from a grid-tied perspective...
Hey Nate, I am watching you channel for a long period of time, you are doing a great job! You mentioned the negative watts flowing into your batteries, there is an easy solution, because you are using the shunt just as multimeter, you could swap in and out (I have made this accidentaly :D) I am using a multiplus 2000VA (24V DC), one thing you could mention is that, for setting some of the important values (float/bulk voltage, absorption time) you need a MK3-USB adapter and the victron connect application for linux/mac/win... The default float voltage of the multiplus was to high (27.4V instead of 27V). Keep doing what you are doing ... greetings from austria (cows not kangaroos) cheers
Great vid, had no problem hanging in to the end, I have been struggling with this for a while now and this has cleared up a lot of my indecision, Easy Solar 11 GX is it for me. Thanks so much.
I watched to the end, i guess i'm one of the 6 people, lol. This is an awesome video, I am still a year or two from my build and I can never learn too much prior to my build. I plan on a transit build similar to your recent build. I would like to have the electrical system be able to function as a backup power cell if I lose household power. My home has solar but no battery backup. If I lose power, and the panel doesn't see incoming power, the solar shuts down. I wasn't sure if this would be possible, however I will now do some research on the multiplus 2 split phase to see if this can achieve the goal. Once again, thanks for the video.
Thanks for this. I'm just about to finish install of my MultiPlus II 3000va on my narrowboat. I've gone with Victron due to the 'eco system' of everything connecting together and able to easily monitor from an app on my phone. So got one of these, an MPPT and a shunt and i've can pretty much monitor everything!
This comes just in time for me as I'm trying to save wall space by combining components and of course, spend more money on my mistress. Thank you for another helpful product review!
Nate, here's another thank you for the excellent video breaking all these inverter choices down (you just saved me some hours of work!). Is there any chance you would make your flow chart available to us? Cheers!
Watching, and following, from Cape Town RSA. An exceptionally insightful video here you guys! Really informative, and thanks for sharing. Really great content. Thanks, and keep up the great work. Regards, H
First off, thank you for all of the great content! I am looking to build an off grid system for my travel trailer and I feel confident doing it by myself due to the content and the products/kits you provide. I have a question though - I noticed the multiplus II 3000va is the biggest inverter/charger you offer on your website, that works for my 50 amp travel trailer. Is that is too small to run 2 ACs (short amount of time)? Or should I step up to the 5000? In any insight would be greatly appreciated.
The Multiplus 3kVA will not run 2x air conditioners at the same time. For that, you'll want our dual Multiplus 3k system. Reach out at shop.explorist.life/support if you need help finding that or with the options available.
Thanks for the video - must have taken hours to prepare!! - and also for remembering that some of us van people are not on 120V shore and appliances, but 230V (I am in Europe) - since the US is probably a bit more mature in van stuff, a lot of vids are 120V only. So - thanks for the 230V angle 🙂 My question - some of the charger/inverters have MPPT and GX as part of the package. But would you go for those for simplicity or can a case be made for keeping MPPT and/or GX as separate components?
1 of 6....hope you'll do this type of breakdown video for their AC chargers. My install sure would of been easier if the Multiplus Compact 1600 VA were available in the 120.
Thanks, it helps. After all that I'm still unsure of which one to pick for my classic trawler project. Since I have 50amp shore-power though, it sounds like It might be the Multiplus 2 2x 120. Whoever came up with this naming convention should be taken out behind the shed and beaten with the manuals required to decipher it all.
Would’ve been nice to have this split into two videos: one for 120v and the other for 230v. It was a waste of time listening about products I can’t use.
Haha; it's simply too large to embed in the blog post. I couldn't get it to work and still be readable. If you need help choosing a multiplus/quattro for your project, reach out at shop.explorist.life/support and I can point you in the right direction.
Practically, how far away can you put the Cerbo and screen from the rest of the components? For example, power system is up front in travel trailer but would like to have the display in the rear living area.
MultiplusII 2x120. Love my system - except when plugging into a 120v 15-20amp shore. The 50amp dogbone combines L1 and L2. This makes L1 and L2 in phase and the multi pops the shore breaker. Ever heard of this? Any workarounds? Currently just running a charger connected to the Lynx. Cut L2 in?
Something else is going on. When you connect 50A shore power cord into a 15A outlet, L1 and L2 isn't 'combined' as a 15A outlet only has L1. Instead, L1 is being SPLIT into L1 and L2. I'd suspect your shore power input current limit is too high and the multiplus is trying to draw too much power from shore. Turn that down to ~10 in your cerbo or victronconnect app and that should fix the problem.
That was great, thanks Nate. You said the multiplus ll 2x 120 is great for 50 amp rv in North A. Can I incorporate that in a 30 amp rv? Any info is appreciated. Thanks again.
FYI The Multiplus II also has a built in AC transfer switch (25Amps). It only has one AC input but 2 AC outputs - one essential loads output that will keep running off battery if AC input goes down. I think you implied in the video that the Quattro was the only inverter charger with a transfer switch?
You and me both but considering the fact that we are not their main customers I'm happy they make us some and look forward to what they're going to put out in the future
@@markmckelvie5062Victron 230V models work for the few countries that are still nominally 240V. Australia moved to 230V a couple of years ago. Nothing changed.
You could always split the voltage inside a distribution box, y'know, EXACTLY like it's done from the power line into a house. I'm off grid and when need calls for it, I took my panel box and wired a L14-30P plug to it's main leads, so I can run the while box from my generators 230v outlet. Ez pz.
Most countries operate on 240v so it's all about market size. If I went to America I would consider building a 240v system and just put a 120v charger on it and get 240v appliances. Most electric converted appliances (TVs laptops etc) have a voltage input of 110-240v or something similar.
If you take a look at the "zero load power" specs for the MultiPlus vs MultiPlus II, you'll see the efficiency gains... The new versions are twice as efficient! MultiPlus 48/5000/70 = 35W, MultiPlus II 48/5000/70-50 = 18W.
I might not understand correctly but I believe he is saying the MultiPlus inverters consume less power when on standby mode (no ac load) than other models.
You are a godsend! Victron makes crappy videos made by electrical engineers for other electrical geeks. Not for the User of their products in vans. So frustrating to try to understand what each of their component does so I can make an informed choice about my own electrical grid upgrade. I have an older RV and very lost as to what to use from their line of products. Typical questions I have are: What are the functions and constraints of the Multiplus series? Do I need a Cerbo GX? Does the Touch 50/ 70 Display panel work sans the Cerbo GX, directly with the Multiplus? We need documentation from Victron on each of their products, what it does, what it does not do, what are the add ons that each product will support, what other products work with Victron (is it brand agnostic?), etc. Then we need videos to bring this information to people and potential buyers of these components. Victron, like every typical manufacturer never spends time on the marketing end. So while they make products, we don't know what they do! Frustrating. Thank you for filling that vacuum with your excellent line of videos. Very grateful to have them!
If you wanted to tie 20kw+ pf PV to the grid at 20kw, but also have backup power should there be an outage, what Victron product(s) would you need, and can they discharge a battery to the grid?
Can a quattro 48/10000/140-100/100 120V be used in a 50amp RV? The datasheet mentions it has two AC outputs, but is not listed like it does on the multiplus II 2x120. I'm thinking about making the jump up to 48v and a single inverter (10,000w) vs two (5000w) in parallel.
Hey Nate, I'm kinda thirsting over the new Multiplus 12/1200/50-16 120V. It's the perfect size for my square drop trailer and it's small loads. Do you have an opinion on this unit and will I be able to buy it on your website soon? Most websites are suggesting a long lead time, like Nov '24.
Hi Nate, Thx for untangling some of these choices. WOW! And yes, I'm one of the six still watching. 🤪 One Victron feature I learned about was their "POWER ASSIST" on some models I think. It MAY help me when Boondocking. 🏕 I'm still lost and need HELP selecting the RIGHT INVERTER, and stuff, for my needs. Aaarrg! 😳 I do have a small Inverter Generator, 1600W (2000 surge) with a NEMA L5-30R, 13.3A @ 120V capability, BUT I really don't want a gas generator. Howerver, maybe that "Power Assist" means I could combine my Battery output with the lil Generator output to meet my AC evening energy needs??? 🤔 Our couples camper is the 2023 Grand Design Imagine 22MLE. She came with a tiny 25amp/300w Charge Controller, 1@165W Solar Panel (I'm sure I need another one maybe two??? 🤔), a 12v Refer, and NO Inverter. We'd like to run Air Conditioning, especially for ~8-10hrs at night & sleeping. It's a 15,000 BTU, 1720 Watt, 15.4 amp unit (I'll add soft start). So far all I have updated is to a 230Ah battery, not sure if I need two??? 🤔 Cheers, Eric
I’m looking at your recommended wiring diagram and components for my install. You’re recommending a Multiplus 12/2000/80 for a battery bank with a minimum of 200Ah. However, Victron states 350-1000. Can you explain the discrepancy? My system is planned for 300 Ah. Thank you!
They actually used to have the minimum at 200Ah but then they changed it for some reason. Since we had kits and such out there working just fine at the 200Ah threshold, we left our own minimum as-is as a judgment call based on prior experience.
I have a Victron MPPT 100 30 with 2 solar panels on the roof of my camper. Is this capabale of handling LI Batteries? I currently have 2 lead acid batteries. Any advice would be appreciated.
I am seriously considering Victron products as the basis for a whole home battery backup system with solar. My problem is that despite watching many videos on UA-cam, & researching on Victron's website, I can't even begin to understand what Victron products would be suitable.
@@EXPLORISTlife here’s the bit I’m confused with the most. We’ve got 12kw generators; but victron invertor only has 70a battery charge.. 48v! So I’m at best charging 3,360w! Not making use of the 12kw! How do I get a better charge
Nate, I am building my van based on your two 24v Battle Born configuration and the Victron MultiPlus 24/3000/70-50 120V. The issue that I just noticed is the 120v I plan to travel across Europe in this van as I live in the states but grew up in the UK 220v. Does viltron make an inverter that will auto detect the voltage and adjust to my 110v \24v or am I going to have to forgo shore power and trust that my solar and DC to DC controller from my alternator will carry us through all of those countries? Thank you.
If I were keeping 120V loads; I'd just wire a 240VAC to 24VDC charger into the system with a dedicated 240V shore power inlet; and then just use that inlet when necessary.
Im really confused. I need your help. Which victron product would be good for me in Europe on 230V, with AC coupling, battery charger, solar connection, on grid. And should the grid be off, it will not send electricity back to the grid? Your help would be wonderful.
Any idea on when the Quattro 2 will be available in 120v for the US market?? Ive purchased the entire ecosystem of Victron componets that will power my RV minus an inverter/charger. Been holding off on purchasing one because I would hate to be the guy that drops $3000 on an inverter and a month later the updated model comes out...
We have a three-phase heat pump (required max power is 3.5kW) and a 12kWh battery, which I charge with panels, so I am thinking about a three-phase inverter. The heat pump uses approx. 5,000-6,000kW of electricity per year to heat the water and the house, or up to 1,000kW per month in the winter months. I am thinking that if I had more electricity in the battery, it could also be available for the heat pump via three phases. Which Victron inverter 5-6000kWh inverter to buy?
You will need 3 Victron inverters, which is why I didn’t go that way for my 3 phase house. I went with 15kW Fronius hybrids which are also weatherproof for my outside install
@@EXPLORISTlife Well, I have a bus that I will be living in full time... aparetment size fridge, TV PC PS4 MINI SPLIT ETC... I bought 8 210 AH deep cycle batteries and need to hook them up but feel i already made a mistake by buying them...I need to know where i stand and what you feel is adequate for my build... I currently have no solar but possibly in the future... only power source is the batteries and the power plug... I am thinking 50 AMP but need advice before i really screw things up
I agree. Since they don’t, I’ll probably use two of these. Looking to replace the transfer switch and converter for my generator/50 amp set up on my fifth wheel.
I get probably 5 requests p/ day from random manufacturers to review their portable power kits. 🤣😂 I could pretty easily turn this channel into 'Nates portable power station review channel'.
Ecoflow doesn't have any kits that directly compete with Victron. Ecoflow is more of a competitor with Goal Zero, Jackery, and Bluetti. Victron's competitors are going to be manufacturers with dedicated components that allow for scaling and customizability like midnite, outback, or magnum.
I think portable power units are great for a 'charge it up and chuck it in the truck' kind of scenarios. We have a Jackery for weekend car camping like that. I don't like those systems for permanently installed setups, though.
I sure hope you are getting compensated by victron to decode their "perfectly confusing" product line. I've spent hours trying to figure it out. It surely is an engineer that was pushed into product line marketing that came up with the info. Thank you kindly! I have Victron products in my rv and off grid cabin.( a build off one of your diagrams) I do like the product but often find their info and trouble shooting to be entirely confusing and ultimately unhelpful. Thanks again. Q? What is the best way to program the multiplus? I have the gx and online info, but I cannot for the life of me find how to program the inverter to utilize the full gen capacity. It only takes 50%. Ive tried all the go to perimeters.
I know it's off the wall, but I wish they would make the 15000 multi 2 in a 120 / 240 volt version. They really need to get some more core models ul listed for the USA. Like the multi 2 and quarto in 5000 and 1000 va. Many jurisdictions enforce this for off grid home installs. Would be nice if the top quality units were listed. I mean even some Chinese all in ones are listed from my understanding.
Now I am even more confused... I have several Victron Solar Chargers and a Victron DC to DC... The Victron Battery Monitor and occasionally when I need to I use the portable plug in Victron lithium battery charger... All have the Bluetooth Smart feature which I love... I have everything except a inverter for my 4 Battle Born 100 amp hr batteries... Every once in a while I think maybe it would be nice to be able to plug in a Keurig coffee maker or air fryer... I am thinking 2000w... And I would like to continue with Smart Victron... So I was excited to watch this video...
If you've got a keurig coffee maker & air fryer and 4x 100Ah batteries wired into a 12V Battery Bank, you may as well go with the Multiplus 3k over the 2k as the cost increase is pretty minimal: shop.explorist.life/shop/all-products/victron-multiplus-12-3000-120-50-120v/ Or if this is going into a camper w/ 50A shore power, you'll want the multiplus 2x120: shop.explorist.life/shop/all-products/victron-multiplus-ii-12-3000-120-50-2x120v/
Thanks for the video! My biggest complaint with Vic is the “working” space for wiring. If my hands wire the size of a toddler, probably wouldn’t have any issues … but I also probably wouldn’t e able to crimp wires properly 😬😄
Yeah, that's for sure. In a lot of our videos going forward, we are going to show wiring these up on a tabletop and then moving them into the camper so it's easier for everybody (and myself 🤣😂)
I run 2-MultiPlus II 120x2...3-150/70 charge controllers, and everything else necessary to support them... 2.2kW solar on the roof, and 4 Battleborn GC-270Ahr...system allows me to stay offgrid almost indefinitely, the key to entire system, resource management...
I love my Ouattro 24/5000-100/100 but really wish I had gone with the 48v. When I starting building my home off-grid system I wanted to get something that my multiple Victron MPPTs could efficiently utilize but I didn't think I would grow to the system I have today. I started with the small simple 1200w inverters, moved to 2400w inverter then got the Quattro. I have 900a of 24v batteries (12v300a 2s3p) and these are also on my "I wish I had decided to go 48v" list. I now have to decide to keep expanding on 24v or try to sell what I have to get up to 48v.
What are the reasons for you wanting to change to nominal 48V? I’m most likely building my system in 24V, and I haven’t found any real benefit except smaller gauge cables and perhaps able to buy server rack batteries. But by all means, please keep me from regretting 24V later.. 😅
@@Yiveytubea higher voltage is more efficient & yes thinner cabling can reduce costs significantly, but with the higher voltages you can generally get more output for similar price of a lower voltage system also, I believe what ur paying for basically is the current ability of MOSFETS used, so going from 100A @ 12v = 1200W output, to using 100A @ 48v = 4800W output using a similar size MOSFET. If ur going to use 48v system on a camper or boat you will need to assess if you have the realestate for solar pv & may need to look at a higher VOC pv panels. 24v server rack style batteries are available & are a good option for incorporating into buses or campers with 24v systems already, as it can make some wiring & charging options easier at installation.
If you have large roof for solar panels, go with 48v. It's cheaper and more efficient. Still, you might have difficultues to get a dc-dc charger from your alternator. If the roof area is small, go with 12 or 24v. Just take in cosidetation that your mppt controller will start to charge once the voltage of the panels are +5V over the battery voltage.
My experience with Victron Multiplus II 2x 120 is incompatibility with NEC 210.8 required GFCI 15/20A, 30A, and 50A feeder outlets. The Victron forum is full of threads related to MP2 inverter chargers tripping GFCI devices. My Multiplus II regularly trips an Eaton 30A GFCI breaker, an Eaton AFCI/GFC 20A breaker, and a Leviton GFCI outlet. This occurs while in Charger-only mode. While the MP2 will work on RV parks which lack GFCI 30A at the pedestal, Victron needs to correct this. Recommend updating this video to address which Victron I/C products are fully compatible with US NEC GFCI feeder requirements. This will greatly impact owners parking RVs at home or in storage.
That's going to be a problem with ANY inverter/charger with an built in neutral to ground relay. This is indeed something Victron is working to find a solution on. There are GFCI breakers out there, though, that have a slow enough ground fault trip speed to still be within NEC code but will not be tripped by the speed at which the neutral to ground bond relay activates.
@EXPLORIST life - DIY Campers I see a lot of people with problems with the different systems tripping those type of outlets. But just like in this comment I just don't understand theory behind it. One of these days I'll figure it out. Thanks for another great video
Wait, the EXPLORISTlife reply was removed, about there being GFCI breakers that have a longer time period before tripping that can solve this issue. Just trying to figure out how to fix this.
If I were to buy a new 5th wheel I'd switch to Victron gear. My issue is I like my power and need to decide on either dual MP2 and each one can do 25A to each leg of the panel independently or do dual MP2/2x120 and wire them in parallel to get a 50A combined total but can be split in whatever amount is needed up to the combined 50A. At least that is how it was explained to me. More wiring, more j-boxes but Victron component prices are about the same.
Battery bank capacity is usually the deciding factor for most people there. dual multiplus 3ks is going to take at least 800Ah @ 12V (and would warrant a 24V battery bank) and the single multiplus can be run at 400Ah @ 12V.
*Hı bossman I will try same life with 2012 sienna at least 6 months south side of the country on winter times, so are you happy with fuel consumption, says 17mpg on paper...I am 6 foot 1 in so am I be confortable with single bed...*
I mean... there is all kinds of ways to do things; but I think it's more straightforward to just use a multiplus/quattro and then add a separate charge controller.
Would be good to have a sheet that bullet points what each product does and does not do as I find it hard from this video to decide what would be right for my van
Try the 'system picker' on the home page of shop.explorist.life It will recommend the proper Multiplus based on your needs given you are based in the USA.
Wonderfull explanation of the most confusing product on the solar market…I need to buy 2 more multis to add to the two I have…now I see what I need …..thank you… jim..
I trough, you could output 120 or 220 by selecting it... I have to buy a unit accordingly? That suck, I want one to charge an electric vehicle with solar, but a level 2 charger uses 220, but my house is 120, so I wanted to be connected to the house to charge the batteries when the sun is down.
so both 110 and 240 isnt possible? because what if i journeyd trough america and canada but then want to tour europe is that possible or tour america and canada.. rip everything out.. sell it and put 110 in :P
Although that is an option, it generally over-complicates a system where there is a better alternative. If you need help deciding on a unit, this may take a more in-depth look at your personal setup. If you have purchased/are purchasing from our store (shop.explorist.life) reach out for some more personalized help: shop.explorist.life/support
The 230V versions are 230V between L1 and N. In the US, it's 120V between L1 and N as well as 120V between L2 and N with 240V being between L1 and L2. In short, without using an autotransformer, there is no way to get that 'flavor' of power out of a 3-wire 230V inverter.
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Thank you so much for sorting this all out. I'm no dummy - I have worked for over two decades as a marine electrician and I have a degree in software engineering. I love Victron products, but they need some serious help (from you perhaps?) on making their naming/marketing understandable.
Best regards,
Charlie
Great explanation of the different Victron inverter/chargers! I wish Victron would introduce more of their products into the US (120) market.
@chippyjohn1 There isn’t a global electric standard. That’s simply not true, as much as it would be nice if there were.
@chippyjohn1 US 240 is two legs of 120, not one leg of 230 like most everywhere else. I don’t make the rules. I just provide the education and sell the parts to how things are in reality, not in a fantasy land.
That was so well timed. Clear, concise and smooth. Much appreciated, thank you from Belfast.
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!
You’ll be pleased to know I was one of the 6!😇 Magnificent summary, my sincere appreciation for you taking the time to produce this content! Is the flow chart you mention at the beginning available to use? Thanks
Me too I made it through the video. sure is a lot of information. The further along I get with my solar stuff the less I believe I understand. Hopefully that starts changing
That was very useful. Victron's lineup is really quite confusing when you start trying to work out why they have so many similar devices. Now I need someone to do this video from a grid-tied perspective...
Thanks Nate, I really enjoy your Sunday video's. I've told all my friends about your site.
Thanks for tuning in every week! We appreciate that!
Thanks for a good "Reader's Digest" condensed version. As one of the six, it was a good intro to Victron.
Hey Nate,
I am watching you channel for a long period of time, you are doing a great job!
You mentioned the negative watts flowing into your batteries, there is an easy solution, because you are using the shunt just as multimeter, you could swap in and out (I have made this accidentaly :D)
I am using a multiplus 2000VA (24V DC), one thing you could mention is that, for setting some of the important values (float/bulk voltage, absorption time) you need a MK3-USB adapter and the victron connect application for linux/mac/win... The default float voltage of the multiplus was to high (27.4V instead of 27V).
Keep doing what you are doing ...
greetings from austria (cows not kangaroos)
cheers
Great vid, had no problem hanging in to the end, I have been struggling with this for a while now and this has cleared up a lot of my indecision, Easy Solar 11 GX is it for me. Thanks so much.
Glad it was helpful. Cheers!
Thanks for covering this as it is quite confusing on all of the different variations.
All the very best, David 👍
My pleasure! Cheers!
I watched to the end, i guess i'm one of the 6 people, lol. This is an awesome video, I am still a year or two from my build and I can never learn too much prior to my build. I plan on a transit build similar to your recent build. I would like to have the electrical system be able to function as a backup power cell if I lose household power. My home has solar but no battery backup. If I lose power, and the panel doesn't see incoming power, the solar shuts down. I wasn't sure if this would be possible, however I will now do some research on the multiplus 2 split phase to see if this can achieve the goal. Once again, thanks for the video.
Thanks for this. I'm just about to finish install of my MultiPlus II 3000va on my narrowboat. I've gone with Victron due to the 'eco system' of everything connecting together and able to easily monitor from an app on my phone. So got one of these, an MPPT and a shunt and i've can pretty much monitor everything!
You very well spoken , easy to understand 😊 plus you know what you’re talking about. I wish I had your knowledge .. well done. 👍
Glad it was helpful! Cheers!
I can always watch your videos until the end, packed with info!
This comes just in time for me as I'm trying to save wall space by combining components and of course, spend more money on my mistress. Thank you for another helpful product review!
Nate, here's another thank you for the excellent video breaking all these inverter choices down (you just saved me some hours of work!).
Is there any chance you would make your flow chart available to us?
Cheers!
Watching, and following, from Cape Town RSA.
An exceptionally insightful video here you guys!
Really informative, and thanks for sharing.
Really great content.
Thanks, and keep up the great work.
Regards,
H
Hey, HoodyR6! I appreciate that. Thanks for watching! 🙂😀
Perfectly nonconfusing. :-) Thank you for another great resource!
Happy to help! Cheers!
First off, thank you for all of the great content! I am looking to build an off grid system for my travel trailer and I feel confident doing it by myself due to the content and the products/kits you provide.
I have a question though - I noticed the multiplus II 3000va is the biggest inverter/charger you offer on your website, that works for my 50 amp travel trailer. Is that is too small to run 2 ACs (short amount of time)? Or should I step up to the 5000? In any insight would be greatly appreciated.
The Multiplus 3kVA will not run 2x air conditioners at the same time. For that, you'll want our dual Multiplus 3k system. Reach out at shop.explorist.life/support if you need help finding that or with the options available.
Thank you for the great video. Can you send power to the grid with any of these inverters?
Thanks for the video - must have taken hours to prepare!!
- and also for remembering that some of us van people are not on 120V shore and appliances, but 230V (I am in Europe) - since the US is probably a bit more mature in van stuff, a lot of vids are 120V only. So - thanks for the 230V angle 🙂
My question - some of the charger/inverters have MPPT and GX as part of the package. But would you go for those for simplicity or can a case be made for keeping MPPT and/or GX as separate components?
1 of 6....hope you'll do this type of breakdown video for their AC chargers. My install sure would of been easier if the Multiplus Compact 1600 VA were available in the 120.
Thanks, it helps. After all that I'm still unsure of which one to pick for my classic trawler project. Since I have 50amp shore-power though, it sounds like It might be the Multiplus 2 2x 120. Whoever came up with this naming convention should be taken out behind the shed and beaten with the manuals required to decipher it all.
😂
So if I understand you correctly. If I get a multiplus II GX I don't need a Cerbo GX to be able to use CAN enabled batteries?
I recall trying to make sense of the different models of inverters with Victron sales person, he simply grouped them by uses and projects.
That's how we have them in our store. Choose your project and it includes the correct model: shop.explorist.life
the ideal video that surely a lot of us were searching for. where's the flow chart please?
Would’ve been nice to have this split into two videos: one for 120v and the other for 230v. It was a waste of time listening about products I can’t use.
There is too much crossover to break them up. What are you looking for and I can point you in the right direction?
Hi Nate, could you share the flowchart you've mentioned in the first minute of the video, would be very helpful to me, thx
Haha; it's simply too large to embed in the blog post. I couldn't get it to work and still be readable. If you need help choosing a multiplus/quattro for your project, reach out at shop.explorist.life/support and I can point you in the right direction.
Practically, how far away can you put the Cerbo and screen from the rest of the components? For example, power system is up front in travel trailer but would like to have the display in the rear living area.
MultiplusII 2x120.
Love my system - except when plugging into a 120v 15-20amp shore.
The 50amp dogbone combines L1 and L2. This makes L1 and L2 in phase and the multi pops the shore breaker.
Ever heard of this? Any workarounds?
Currently just running a charger connected to the Lynx.
Cut L2 in?
Something else is going on. When you connect 50A shore power cord into a 15A outlet, L1 and L2 isn't 'combined' as a 15A outlet only has L1. Instead, L1 is being SPLIT into L1 and L2. I'd suspect your shore power input current limit is too high and the multiplus is trying to draw too much power from shore. Turn that down to ~10 in your cerbo or victronconnect app and that should fix the problem.
is it worth buying the multiplus GX or better to buy the cerbo GX seperate? does it work out cheaper at all either way?
What about 240VAC that we use here is Aus/NZ ?
That was great, thanks Nate. You said the multiplus ll 2x 120 is great for 50 amp rv in North A. Can I incorporate that in a 30 amp rv? Any info is appreciated. Thanks again.
Do these Mulitplus allows to use the power coming from the PV directly to the loads after the batteries are full
FYI The Multiplus II also has a built in AC transfer switch (25Amps). It only has one AC input but 2 AC outputs - one essential loads output that will keep running off battery if AC input goes down. I think you implied in the video that the Quattro was the only inverter charger with a transfer switch?
Wish Victron would make their entire product line work with 120V.
You and me both but considering the fact that we are not their main customers I'm happy they make us some and look forward to what they're going to put out in the future
240 V for me.
@@markmckelvie5062Victron 230V models work for the few countries that are still nominally 240V. Australia moved to 230V a couple of years ago. Nothing changed.
You could always split the voltage inside a distribution box, y'know, EXACTLY like it's done from the power line into a house.
I'm off grid and when need calls for it, I took my panel box and wired a L14-30P plug to it's main leads, so I can run the while box from my generators 230v outlet. Ez pz.
Most countries operate on 240v so it's all about market size.
If I went to America I would consider building a 240v system and just put a 120v charger on it and get 240v appliances. Most electric converted appliances (TVs laptops etc) have a voltage input of 110-240v or something similar.
If you take a look at the "zero load power" specs for the MultiPlus vs MultiPlus II, you'll see the efficiency gains... The new versions are twice as efficient! MultiPlus 48/5000/70 = 35W, MultiPlus II 48/5000/70-50 = 18W.
I sure wish I knew what you meant. The further along I'm getting with my solar, the less I seem to think I understand😢
I might not understand correctly but I believe he is saying the MultiPlus inverters consume less power when on standby mode (no ac load) than other models.
Zero load power is the power consumed by the unit even when no AC power is being delivered
@@JeffinTDThank u very much😎
@@dbrophyty
You are a godsend! Victron makes crappy videos made by electrical engineers for other electrical geeks. Not for the User of their products in vans. So frustrating to try to understand what each of their component does so I can make an informed choice about my own electrical grid upgrade. I have an older RV and very lost as to what to use from their line of products.
Typical questions I have are:
What are the functions and constraints of the Multiplus series?
Do I need a Cerbo GX?
Does the Touch 50/ 70 Display panel work sans the Cerbo GX, directly with the Multiplus?
We need documentation from Victron on each of their products, what it does, what it does not do, what are the add ons that each product will support, what other products work with Victron (is it brand agnostic?), etc. Then we need videos to bring this information to people and potential buyers of these components. Victron, like every typical manufacturer never spends time on the marketing end. So while they make products, we don't know what they do! Frustrating.
Thank you for filling that vacuum with your excellent line of videos. Very grateful to have them!
Awesome! Glad they have been helpful.
The 3000/120 multi plus ll inverter charger are you able to dial back the charger if you don’t want 120 amp coming out of it
Yep!
@@EXPLORISTlife cool thanks I’ll have to have a look on the settings to see how to do it thanks
If you wanted to tie 20kw+ pf PV to the grid at 20kw, but also have backup power should there be an outage, what Victron product(s) would you need, and can they discharge a battery to the grid?
Can a quattro 48/10000/140-100/100 120V be used in a 50amp RV? The datasheet mentions it has two AC outputs, but is not listed like it does on the multiplus II 2x120. I'm thinking about making the jump up to 48v and a single inverter (10,000w) vs two (5000w) in parallel.
Hey Nate, I'm kinda thirsting over the new Multiplus 12/1200/50-16 120V. It's the perfect size for my square drop trailer and it's small loads. Do you have an opinion on this unit and will I be able to buy it on your website soon? Most websites are suggesting a long lead time, like Nov '24.
Hi Nate,
Thx for untangling some of these choices. WOW! And yes, I'm one of the six still watching. 🤪
One Victron feature I learned about was their "POWER ASSIST" on some models I think. It MAY help me when Boondocking. 🏕 I'm still lost and need HELP selecting the RIGHT INVERTER, and stuff, for my needs. Aaarrg! 😳
I do have a small Inverter Generator, 1600W (2000 surge) with a NEMA L5-30R, 13.3A @ 120V capability, BUT I really don't want a gas generator. Howerver, maybe that "Power Assist" means I could combine my Battery output with the lil Generator output to meet my AC evening energy needs??? 🤔
Our couples camper is the 2023 Grand Design Imagine 22MLE. She came with a tiny 25amp/300w Charge Controller, 1@165W Solar Panel (I'm sure I need another one maybe two??? 🤔), a 12v Refer, and NO Inverter.
We'd like to run Air Conditioning, especially for ~8-10hrs at night & sleeping. It's a 15,000 BTU, 1720 Watt, 15.4 amp unit (I'll add soft start).
So far all I have updated is to a 230Ah battery, not sure if I need two??? 🤔
Cheers,
Eric
I’m looking at your recommended wiring diagram and components for my install. You’re recommending a Multiplus 12/2000/80 for a battery bank with a minimum of 200Ah. However, Victron states 350-1000. Can you explain the discrepancy? My system is planned for 300 Ah. Thank you!
They actually used to have the minimum at 200Ah but then they changed it for some reason. Since we had kits and such out there working just fine at the 200Ah threshold, we left our own minimum as-is as a judgment call based on prior experience.
@@EXPLORISTlife appreciate it!!
I have a Victron MPPT 100 30 with 2 solar panels on the roof of my camper. Is this capabale of handling LI Batteries? I currently have 2 lead acid batteries. Any advice would be appreciated.
I am seriously considering Victron products as the basis for a whole home battery backup system with solar. My problem is that despite watching many videos on UA-cam, & researching on Victron's website, I can't even begin to understand what Victron products would be suitable.
I’m confused! The 48v 5000w easy solar, has a 70a charge feature. Therefore; what’s the most we can charge batteries in watts??
Charging amperage x charging voltage = charging wattage.
@@EXPLORISTlife here’s the bit I’m confused with the most. We’ve got 12kw generators; but victron invertor only has 70a battery charge.. 48v! So I’m at best charging 3,360w! Not making use of the 12kw! How do I get a better charge
I get standard residential power, e.g. L1, L2, PE, where neutral isn't provided. Which inverter/charger would you recommend for this?
Do you have a copy of your product selection flowchart you can share? 0:38
Nate, I am building my van based on your two 24v Battle Born configuration and the Victron MultiPlus 24/3000/70-50 120V. The issue that I just noticed is the 120v I plan to travel across Europe in this van as I live in the states but grew up in the UK 220v. Does viltron make an inverter that will auto detect the voltage and adjust to my 110v \24v or am I going to have to forgo shore power and trust that my solar and DC to DC controller from my alternator will carry us through all of those countries? Thank you.
If I were keeping 120V loads; I'd just wire a 240VAC to 24VDC charger into the system with a dedicated 240V shore power inlet; and then just use that inlet when necessary.
@@EXPLORISTlife cool. Thanks for the reply👍
I love your saying "spare me the labor and just give me the baby"😅
Does Victron make any unit capable of feeding power back to the grid (net metering)? Thanks
If I have a 50amp camper I’m limited to the 2x 120v model only? (Without having to use 2 inverters)
Im really confused. I need your help. Which victron product would be good for me in Europe on 230V, with AC coupling, battery charger, solar connection, on grid. And should the grid be off, it will not send electricity back to the grid? Your help would be wonderful.
Any idea on when the Quattro 2 will be available in 120v for the US market?? Ive purchased the entire ecosystem of Victron componets that will power my RV minus an inverter/charger. Been holding off on purchasing one because I would hate to be the guy that drops $3000 on an inverter and a month later the updated model comes out...
Which one are you after? For 30A or 50A shore power?
We have a three-phase heat pump (required max power is 3.5kW) and a 12kWh battery, which I charge with panels, so I am thinking about a three-phase inverter. The heat pump uses approx. 5,000-6,000kW of electricity per year to heat the water and the house, or up to 1,000kW per month in the winter months.
I am thinking that if I had more electricity in the battery, it could also be available for the heat pump via three phases.
Which Victron inverter 5-6000kWh inverter to buy?
You will need 3 Victron inverters, which is why I didn’t go that way for my 3 phase house. I went with 15kW Fronius hybrids which are also weatherproof for my outside install
Hey I have some questions ...how is the best way to discuss a few things for my skoolie
Sure! Just like you just did. I'm pretty responsive here in my comments section.
@@EXPLORISTlife Well, I have a bus that I will be living in full time... aparetment size fridge, TV PC PS4 MINI SPLIT ETC... I bought 8 210 AH deep cycle batteries and need to hook them up but feel i already made a mistake by buying them...I need to know where i stand and what you feel is adequate for my build... I currently have no solar but possibly in the future... only power source is the batteries and the power plug... I am thinking 50 AMP but need advice before i really screw things up
How does the new Quattro-II 2x 120V stack up against the rest of these inverters?
It's basically the same thing as the Multiplus 3k 2x120v. I wish it were available in a 5kva version.
I agree. Since they don’t, I’ll probably use two of these. Looking to replace the transfer switch and converter for my generator/50 amp set up on my fifth wheel.
I made it to the end. Thanks for the information.
No problem! Cheers!
Thanks for the well researched video!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for making this!
Thanks for watching! 🙂😀
How about a video on the Ecoflow power kits? I'm sure you've received many requests.
I get probably 5 requests p/ day from random manufacturers to review their portable power kits. 🤣😂 I could pretty easily turn this channel into 'Nates portable power station review channel'.
@@EXPLORISTlife Just five?
Actually I was talking specifically about their power kits that directly compete with the Victron systems that Nate specializes in.
Ecoflow doesn't have any kits that directly compete with Victron. Ecoflow is more of a competitor with Goal Zero, Jackery, and Bluetti. Victron's competitors are going to be manufacturers with dedicated components that allow for scaling and customizability like midnite, outback, or magnum.
I think portable power units are great for a 'charge it up and chuck it in the truck' kind of scenarios. We have a Jackery for weekend car camping like that. I don't like those systems for permanently installed setups, though.
Does the Multiplus12/2000 have Bluetooth monitoring capability?
Natively, no. With the VE.Bus Smart Dongle or connected to a GX device like the Cerbo GX; yes.
I sure hope you are getting compensated by victron to decode their "perfectly confusing" product line. I've spent hours trying to figure it out. It surely is an engineer that was pushed into product line marketing that came up with the info. Thank you kindly! I have Victron products in my rv and off grid cabin.( a build off one of your diagrams) I do like the product but often find their info and trouble shooting to be entirely confusing and ultimately unhelpful. Thanks again. Q? What is the best way to program the multiplus? I have the gx and online info, but I cannot for the life of me find how to program the inverter to utilize the full gen capacity. It only takes 50%. Ive tried all the go to perimeters.
I know it's off the wall, but I wish they would make the 15000 multi 2 in a 120 / 240 volt version.
They really need to get some more core models ul listed for the USA. Like the multi 2 and quarto in 5000 and 1000 va. Many jurisdictions enforce this for off grid home installs. Would be nice if the top quality units were listed. I mean even some Chinese all in ones are listed from my understanding.
Now I am even more confused... I have several Victron Solar Chargers and a Victron DC to DC... The Victron Battery Monitor and occasionally when I need to I use the portable plug in Victron lithium battery charger... All have the Bluetooth Smart feature which I love... I have everything except a inverter for my 4 Battle Born 100 amp hr batteries... Every once in a while I think maybe it would be nice to be able to plug in a Keurig coffee maker or air fryer... I am thinking 2000w... And I would like to continue with Smart Victron... So I was excited to watch this video...
If you've got a keurig coffee maker & air fryer and 4x 100Ah batteries wired into a 12V Battery Bank, you may as well go with the Multiplus 3k over the 2k as the cost increase is pretty minimal: shop.explorist.life/shop/all-products/victron-multiplus-12-3000-120-50-120v/
Or if this is going into a camper w/ 50A shore power, you'll want the multiplus 2x120: shop.explorist.life/shop/all-products/victron-multiplus-ii-12-3000-120-50-2x120v/
Thanks for the video! My biggest complaint with Vic is the “working” space for wiring. If my hands wire the size of a toddler, probably wouldn’t have any issues … but I also probably wouldn’t e able to crimp wires properly 😬😄
Yeah, that's for sure. In a lot of our videos going forward, we are going to show wiring these up on a tabletop and then moving them into the camper so it's easier for everybody (and myself 🤣😂)
@@EXPLORISTlife I’ve seen the “mother board” builds being used more in 5th wheel setups. I think you’re idea is good too
Simply excellent. Thank You
can you run a DC generator through a multyplus?
I run 2-MultiPlus II 120x2...3-150/70 charge controllers, and everything else necessary to support them...
2.2kW solar on the roof, and 4 Battleborn GC-270Ahr...system allows me to stay offgrid almost indefinitely, the key to entire system, resource management...
"spare me the labor and give me the baby" That's a keeper
I’m adding it to my list! Make like a baby and head out!
I love my Ouattro 24/5000-100/100 but really wish I had gone with the 48v. When I starting building my home off-grid system I wanted to get something that my multiple Victron MPPTs could efficiently utilize but I didn't think I would grow to the system I have today. I started with the small simple 1200w inverters, moved to 2400w inverter then got the Quattro. I have 900a of 24v batteries (12v300a 2s3p) and these are also on my "I wish I had decided to go 48v" list. I now have to decide to keep expanding on 24v or try to sell what I have to get up to 48v.
What are the reasons for you wanting to change to nominal 48V? I’m most likely building my system in 24V, and I haven’t found any real benefit except smaller gauge cables and perhaps able to buy server rack batteries. But by all means, please keep me from regretting 24V later.. 😅
@@YiveytubeI would like to hear his reasoning also. Hopefully he sees our comments
@@Yiveytubea higher voltage is more efficient & yes thinner cabling can reduce costs significantly, but with the higher voltages you can generally get more output for similar price of a lower voltage system also, I believe what ur paying for basically is the current ability of MOSFETS used, so going from 100A @ 12v = 1200W output, to using 100A @ 48v = 4800W output using a similar size MOSFET. If ur going to use 48v system on a camper or boat you will need to assess if you have the realestate for solar pv & may need to look at a higher VOC pv panels.
24v server rack style batteries are available & are a good option for incorporating into buses or campers with 24v systems already, as it can make some wiring & charging options easier at installation.
If you have large roof for solar panels, go with 48v. It's cheaper and more efficient.
Still, you might have difficultues to get a dc-dc charger from your alternator.
If the roof area is small, go with 12 or 24v.
Just take in cosidetation that your mppt controller will start to charge once the voltage of the panels are +5V over the battery voltage.
Very good information
Hi, which Multiplus has an output of 110vac 60HZ?
Does the multi plas 2x120 power 25 amps to both legs of 110?
It would be 3kVA (~25A @120V) split between L1 and L2. They wouldn't both get 3kvs at the same time. They'd have to share.
My experience with Victron Multiplus II 2x 120 is incompatibility with NEC 210.8 required GFCI 15/20A, 30A, and 50A feeder outlets. The Victron forum is full of threads related to MP2 inverter chargers tripping GFCI devices. My Multiplus II regularly trips an Eaton 30A GFCI breaker, an Eaton AFCI/GFC 20A breaker, and a Leviton GFCI outlet. This occurs while in Charger-only mode. While the MP2 will work on RV parks which lack GFCI 30A at the pedestal, Victron needs to correct this. Recommend updating this video to address which Victron I/C products are fully compatible with US NEC GFCI feeder requirements. This will greatly impact owners parking RVs at home or in storage.
That's going to be a problem with ANY inverter/charger with an built in neutral to ground relay. This is indeed something Victron is working to find a solution on. There are GFCI breakers out there, though, that have a slow enough ground fault trip speed to still be within NEC code but will not be tripped by the speed at which the neutral to ground bond relay activates.
@EXPLORIST life - DIY Campers I see a lot of people with problems with the different systems tripping those type of outlets. But just like in this comment I just don't understand theory behind it. One of these days I'll figure it out. Thanks for another great video
@@EXPLORISTlife Anyone happen to have a link of the specs required for this type of GFCI breaker that will work?
Wait, the EXPLORISTlife reply was removed, about there being GFCI breakers that have a longer time period before tripping that can solve this issue. Just trying to figure out how to fix this.
THANK YOU for this video
No problem! Thanks for watching!
If I were to buy a new 5th wheel I'd switch to Victron gear. My issue is I like my power and need to decide on either dual MP2 and each one can do 25A to each leg of the panel independently or do dual MP2/2x120 and wire them in parallel to get a 50A combined total but can be split in whatever amount is needed up to the combined 50A. At least that is how it was explained to me. More wiring, more j-boxes but Victron component prices are about the same.
Battery bank capacity is usually the deciding factor for most people there. dual multiplus 3ks is going to take at least 800Ah @ 12V (and would warrant a 24V battery bank) and the single multiplus can be run at 400Ah @ 12V.
We already have the 2x120 kit ready to go and in stock and will have the dual 3k system availabel later this summer.
@@EXPLORISTlife yep, was looking at 4-6 gamechangers in 24v config.
thank you. i'm still confused. victron should have a table with all of these and their relevant distinctions :P
*Hı bossman I will try same life with 2012 sienna at least 6 months south side of the country on winter times, so are you happy with fuel consumption, says 17mpg on paper...I am 6 foot 1 in so am I be confortable with single bed...*
17mpg sounds pretty good!
Why can't we use easysolar ii gx and step down to 120v?
I mean... there is all kinds of ways to do things; but I think it's more straightforward to just use a multiplus/quattro and then add a separate charge controller.
Would be good to have a sheet that bullet points what each product does and does not do as I find it hard from this video to decide what would be right for my van
Try the 'system picker' on the home page of shop.explorist.life It will recommend the proper Multiplus based on your needs given you are based in the USA.
@@EXPLORISTlife I am based in the uk
@@pureperoni Reach out to your Victron dealer, in that case. Although we do ship to the UK, we don't stock 230V versions of the Multiplus just yet.
Wonderfull explanation of the most confusing product on the solar market…I need to buy 2 more multis to add to the two I have…now I see what I need …..thank you…
jim..
Thanks😊
Great job thank you
Thanks for watching!
Man id like to have about 15 grand worth of victron stuff for my camper. Seems to do it all and do it well
What about the Phoenix ?
The phoenix is just an inverter, and not an inverter/charger. We only covered inverter/chargers in this video.
I trough, you could output 120 or 220 by selecting it... I have to buy a unit accordingly? That suck, I want one to charge an electric vehicle with solar, but a level 2 charger uses 220, but my house is 120, so I wanted to be connected to the house to charge the batteries when the sun is down.
Thanks
Loads can be: Inductive, capacitive and resistive.
Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.
so both 110 and 240 isnt possible? because what if i journeyd trough america and canada but then want to tour europe
is that possible or tour america and canada.. rip everything out.. sell it and put 110 in :P
oh oepsie, i think i get it, i need the MultiPlus-II 2x 120V one fot that
Now I really don't know which one to get 🤔
A lot of GOOD information, hehehe yes too much.
Have you thought about a transformer 230V to 120V? This would open the door to all 230V devices.
Although that is an option, it generally over-complicates a system where there is a better alternative. If you need help deciding on a unit, this may take a more in-depth look at your personal setup. If you have purchased/are purchasing from our store (shop.explorist.life) reach out for some more personalized help: shop.explorist.life/support
Power to the house is 230vac (l1, cm, l2) so why wouldn’t a 230vac version work for Americans?
The 230V versions are 230V between L1 and N. In the US, it's 120V between L1 and N as well as 120V between L2 and N with 240V being between L1 and L2.
In short, without using an autotransformer, there is no way to get that 'flavor' of power out of a 3-wire 230V inverter.
"These are the most popular Victron products we sell....because we can't get the cool stuff you 230 people can get.." 😭
What about those of us that can't afford to lay out the $1000+ for a multiplus?
Its hilarious some countries still use 120v 🤣 so much larger conductor to handle the current in high power stuff.
Mildly amusing, at best.
@@EXPLORISTlife your missing out on European power!
@@SustainableGal Yeah, that definitely is a major pain point of my normal day-to-day life and I lose a significant amount of sleep over that. 🤣🤣
I know your speaking American and American is normally compatible to English. But what are you saying??