The OLED Black Depth Lie - When Panel Type and Coating Matters
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2023
- Testing and evaluating the perceived black depth and contrast on different OLED and LCD panels, in different lighting conditions. Does technology or panel coating really have an impact? Is WOLED better than QD-OLED? Is glossy better than matte? Do OLED's end up looking like LCD's?
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I saw a qd-oled tv in real life and thought it was an LCD because the lack of a polarizer affects the contrast.
That's why no QD oled for me. It looks shire when light hits it
Fantastic video bringing some much-needed literacy for how black levels actually work
Ambient contrast is such an important thing, glad you've made a vid on it.
This was great! Thank you for going this deep.
This is the cutting edge of monitor testing. Contrast ratios from measurements are not that indicative of real-world contrast. In the future I would hope review outlets to adopt some sort of contrast test involving room lighting.
Long time reader of the website, never even realised you guys had made a youtube channel, hope to see this grow a lot!
Thanks!
I think its also worth pairing some of the lux values with real world scenarios you may find them in.
For example homes typically when lit via common household lighting range between 100-150 lux I believe. Gives some more depth to the results.
I was going to ask this same question. Can we quantify "dark", "dim", "moderate", and "bright"? Similar to baking, "at room temperature" is going to be wildly different for different people. For example, for me, it's currently the middle of winter and my room is being lit entirely by light reflecting off of the snow outside and entering through a single window. Would that be dim? Moderate? Further, when I do have lights turned on, they are almost exclusively behind the monitor in one form or another (e.g., LED ring on rear of monitor, LED strip along the back edge of the desk, etc.
There are apps that let you measure it with your phone. It's not super accurate, but you get a general idea.
For me it's around 400-600 lux during the day, because I wanted a very well lit environment. In that environment, my glossy LCD TV is like a mirror (especially when displaying a darker image), and my matte VA LCD monitor looks a lot better in direct comparison.
Thats super interesting. Could you recommend a specific app?@@faultier1158
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Glad someone explored this topic. I've used LG OLEDs as monitors for a few years now, and have 2 as TV's. I noticed an ultrawide OLED in the store the other day and thought it looked horrible. The matte finished totally killed the black levels and color saturation. There still needs to be some tweaking to make (at least LG TV's) perfect for PC use. The adaptive brightness can be distracting even with the service menu tweaks turned off.
this. i highly appreciate that manufacturers finally leave that matte finish out. it destroys screens.
No burn in issues?
@@djayjp Not at all, I have a 48" CX that is my primary monitor for a few years now and just picked up a 42" C2 for my wife. I work in IT, so I'm on this screen sometimes 16 hours a day working and gaming and I haven't seen any issues so far. There may be some correlation between brightness and burn in. I'm in a dark basement so I don't have brightness maxed out on SDR, but it is still pretty bright. I calibrate the screen about once a year and the final calibration is always very accurate.
@@WestonWill Very interesting thank you. And what OLED Light level do you have it at? And you've been running it with TPC and GSR disabled the whole time? Do you use black theme? Thanks!
Bought a LG C1 a few years ago and now i can never go back to matte panels. I was going to pull the trigger on the LG Ultra gear 27 OLED but found out it was a matte panel monitor, ugh! so now, I'm back to waiting for a 27" GLOSSY OLED monitor..
I love this in-depth objective dive into a practical topic! Subscribed!
Excellent video.
It’s a shame there aren’t more glossy monitors. Although the grain probably bothers me more than black depth
This is why I got LG C2 42”
@@KryssN1not a monitor.
@@DrakonR it can work as one, there are even apps that help with that. Waking and turning off Tv when it wakes up. Plus you get functionality of a TV.
@@KryssN1 ya.. because it's a TV, not a monitor.
@@DrakonR 42 and 48 sizes are pretty popular as monitors, due to 120hz, g sync and being oled
Thanks for these good measurements.
Fantastic video, Simon, thank you for sharing!!
I believe the reason the dough glossy hasn't really improved ambient contrast that much is because MLA WOLEDs appear to have raised blacks although not to the degree of QD OLED due to light scattering by the MLA. This can be seen on the LG G3 OLED.
Yes could be down to that for sure. Heard similar. The coating is also quite a lot less reflective than glossy OLED so perhaps causes some added diffusion a la matte panel coating. But def without the grain
Great observation. I considered taking the matte finish off my lg OLED monitor, but due to this video, I’ll just live w/ it, especially since it doesn’t help w/ perceived black levels any more than glossy MLA.
@XM3405 could you explain a bit more? ELI5? Simplified? I have a G3
My 10 year old 144hz VA panel has deeper blacks than these new glossy QD-OLED screens, even in dim lighting. Sure, they're superior in almost every other way (except for burn-in) but that speaks volumes. On top of that, the VA panel doesn't have to deal with issues like dimming, it gets at least a full 300 nits of brightness, meanwhile even the best ASUS panel does like 250 nits max. Of course you don't need high nits all the time, but when you're viewing high quality video, it's night and day, 300 nits is the absolute minimum you want to view video at for saturation, contrast, and overall fidelity. That's when things looks like they're real on the screen. Anything less and the highlights don't look picturesque, they merely look like a screen. Highlights are just as important as black levels for video, because when you look at objects reflecting light in the real world, or a sky, they're not dim. You don't need to be blinded, but video needs a minimal brightness level to look amazing, OLED or not.
Great video. Some feedback is that I would've liked to see more visual comparisons of the panel types in different lighting scenarios, as well as explaining more how these different black depth values would look in real life (under 1 nit doesn't sound like a lot, but I'm supposing it's noticeable).
I shall go read the article now and see if anything more is covered, besides contrast ration comparisons. Thanks for the video.
Used to use a classic matted ips monitor for the longest time, then bought a matted qd-ips which gave noticeable difference to colors, a bit darker but not by tons. Lately I bought a glossy qd-oled monitor, and this time you can easily feel you are near perfection; having true black, wide color gamut, and the hdr experience that is just sublime. The fact that the qd-oled is glossy doesn't annoy me much, I'm never in a very lit space, often playing games at night, so I'm very happy with my buy.
Yeah they are very strong still in darker viewing conditions. Still a great tech and out performs WOLED in other areas
I always look forward to your videos. Thank you!
Thanks for the feedback, I’m glad it was useful and you enjoyed it 😀
The text rendering is better on qdoled but its really not bad on oled, I can reas just fine on my B9 from my pc. And games look AMAZING even rendered in 1440p from my pc. But grainy wOled? No way. My B9 and C3 are not grainy at all, and I ALWAYS saw VERY evident grain on S95B and S90C and even S95C and A95K and A95L. They also have a pink tint. People online always agreed with me back in 2022 when S95B came out. Now everyone is claiming grain/pink tint is an LG/woled issue? Nah man.. not in my experience at all. It’s the opposite, a QDOLED issue. Trust me, if I thought qdoled actually looked good currently I would have bought tons of them. But the raised blacks with ambient light and the grain/pink tint is a big NO from me.
Thank you for the analysis. That explains why the screens look like late 90s laptop screens when off. I hope they improve this.
Awesome video. Goes to show how vital lighting conditions of the room itself impact each panel, regardless of screen coating.
Glossy WOLED is still the way to go. Just wish they made smaller sizes.. If the C4 comes in 32in, I’d argue it’s the best buy over any of the 4K higher refresh monitors coming to the market next year.
I wonder if using displays at correct brightness which does not hurt your eyes (close to ambient around the screen) if even more of a disqualifying use case for glossy coating since if the image is not bright enough the reflections become too distracting.
Wow!!! Nobody says those things at the reviews.
Great video thanks :)
I have both the Samsung G9 QD-OLED monitor and the LG C3 48-inch WOLED panel. In daylight, you really notice the difference, and it's significant. The LG C3 displays very dark blacks even in daylight, whereas the QD-OLED appears warm grey. I don't know if this is the case for all QD-OLED panels, but mine gets scratched very easily compared to the LG. I only cleaned it once with a microfiber cloth and it got many scratches that you can see with a phone flashlight.
Once (or if) windows gets a handle on the W-OLED subpixel structures and reduces fringing, then I'll pick up another LG W-OLED. I loved mine. The fringing was just a deal breaker for me.
I don't know which W-OLED you have exactly but if you weren't aware, older W-OLEDs that have very bad text fringing had a RWBG sub-pixel structure, but the latest gen 3 W-OLEDs that were just revealed at CES 2024 have a RGWB sub-pixel structure. So while there's that that white subpixel in between the RGB, at least the RGB subpixels are in the "correct" order as Windows expects it now, so based on the reviews I've seen, text fringing is improved, but is still worse than QD-OLED at the same resolution.
I've not seen it in person myself, but I've seen a few people who've seen these new displays that at 4K at 32" screen size, fringing is almost a non-issue with 3rd gen W-OLED, but is still fairly noticeable at 1440p 27"
Great vid!
It would be interesting to see how an IPS Black panel compares to QD-OLED in a moderately lit room.
I have matt ips and qd oled and woled, 100% will buy only glossy only from now on, the benefits outway the cons of the reflections, for me, I can always close the curtains!! :)
Yeah I don't know why they are stuck to matte coating. I'm waiting for glossy oleds to arrive, not going to buy any matte coated oled.
Also, local dimming would very also improve black depth for all LCDs even though the effect would depend on the content.
Yeah for sure. Although that’s very variable in the market. We discuss it a bit in the written article 👍
amazing work and the hardwork you did for it... please also test the 3rd gen qd oled if there is any improvement? or is it same? when the monitors come out
Will do when they’re available to test 😀
thanks@@tftcentral
Really appreciate you guys doing some real testing on this topic, this is an aspect that a lot of other outlets have tended to downplay or gloss (pun not intended) over compared to other specs like brightness or WCG.
Thanks for the feedback, I’m glad it was useful. Complicated and time consuming to test but I think it was a very interesting study overall
Very information packed video, but It was hard to follow due to the lack of structure and conclusion. For example, you added observations 2) and 5) the video in written text, but where are the other numbered observations? And what's the conclusion of these observations? Also, you could summarize each of the sections: 1) OLED, 2) LCD, then 3) OLED vs LCD a bit better by providing a short summary after every 7 minute section or so @@tftcentral .
For the OLED key takeaways in the article, consider splitting QD OLED vs WOLD, and matte vs glossy.
For the LCD key takeaways in the article, consider splitting OLED vs LCD, from the other points.
I also wonder whether the "one more thing" statement about the lighting environment for TVs is true. In my opinion, lighting in the living room is more difficult to control than in a study/gaming room, because the living room is larger, more entry points for light (same for an office). You could also consider splitting this video into a living room vs study room use case, discussing different lighting scenario's for each, separately. At least start the video with a clear use case (viewing distance, environment). The article does specify how lighting is increased, but most people don't know how much lux a typical light source produces (i.e. a sunny day in the living room, or one light turned on in the study room).
@louisfriend9323 there’s on screen text/headings for each of the sections which represent each “observation”. They’re all in there, not just 2) and 5). Those are the summary of what is about to be talked about in each section, I think it’s a pretty clear conclusion/headline about what’s talked about. If any of it was tricky to follow, the written article may be easier perhaps
@louisfriend9323 re the other points, it’s a bit hard to edit or change this video now, but thank you for the suggestions. The point about the TV living room environment was more that you’d tend to use that more in the evening and at night, so it’s a generally darker lit room than a daytime office/work monitor. I deliberately tried not to get too fixated on luxury values or black depth values even, the important thing is the comparison between the different technologies and coating. Although I will try and add a rough guide to the room lighting levels represented by the lux scale as that could be handy
awesome video!
Great work
the only issue woled has to me is their brightness does not get bright enough to overcome room light for me. I have a c2 and an s95b tv and the difference is night and day, even when both displays are at similar brightness levels (because qd oled will always have a less aggressive brightness limiter) woled maxes out at around 170 nits full field sustained while qd oled can stay at 260nits full field for hours. that makes all the difference in the world... especially for something like a computer monitor.
Matte's been used in the monitor market because there hasn't been any choice. Love these companies telling me what I should be using while every other panel in our homes are glossy..
It's like they assume everyone is using their monitor in an office setting with bright florescent lighting. No one who is buying an oled monitor (or really any gaming monitor) is using it in that condition.
Most people have very bright rooms at home with windows and lights!
@@haukionkannel I often play in pretty bright environments (300-600 lux). My TV has a glossy coating (it's not my gaming monitor though) and the reflections are pretty bad. I honestly prefer the matte coating of my monitor under these conditions. I do see a slight grain on brighter parts of the image though, so I get why you would want a glossy monitor in darker rooms, where the reflections are less of an issue.
These are fascinating results! This black depth metric needs to be more widely known and part of all reviews.
It's only until recent that everyone is complaining about glossy vs matte because our expectations for OLED is to have inky blacks and vibrant colors.
Oddly, everyone semeed to be okay with manufacturers only producing disgusting matte displays, giving us no choice. So, really not sure why people seem to think OLED is a requirement to justify a glossy finish. All panel types benefit from glossy, period.
Glossy should always have been an option, regardless of panel tech. If smartphones have glossy screens and you're meant to use it in broad daylight, the whole matte/glossy reflection argument doesn't stand.
A matte display scatters light which doesn't allow you to re-angle the screen to remedy it - that is far more distracting and washes out the image. Contrarily with a glossy display, as long as the content you're viewing is sufficiently bright, it effectively eliminates any glare, thus it is less distracting.
The key here is that matte ALWAYS scatters light, so even in a dark room absent of reflections, the light emitted from the panel itself gets scattered, leading to the smudgy, not-so-sharp image compared to glossy.
Brilliant article; read it through. It really left me wondering how a VA-based mini-LED would compare with local dimming enabled. Would the lux vs. black-level curve run parallel with edge-lit VAs, but lower? Seems like it could match the performance of WOLEDs, maybe even beat them with the same coating?
Hope you can add an Odyssey Neo G# or such to the graph(s) some day!
Yes they should just show the same line trend but just moved down the vertical Y axis. How far down really depends on the quality of the local dimming but it can certainly help relative to edge lit dimming
@@tftcentral Awesome, thanks for the knowledgeable reply! Appreciate the community engagement (and your content) 👍👍
You’re welcome, glad you enjoyed the content 😀
A Matte 4k/32 inch micro led is my dream monitor.
What about glossy VA?
with the best esports monitor release this year being the matte 1440p 480hz LG, is it possible to remove OLED matte coatings the same way as LCDs with the wet paper towel technique, or is it vastly different? more possible? less possible?
Not something we’ve looked in to or would recommend but I believe it’s still possible to do, but I’d say pretty risky
I don’t have an OLED PC monitor but have 4 LG WOLED and a Samsung S95B QD OLED. Moved my LG C8 to the bedroom and put the QD OLED in my light controlled basement. One thing I noticed fairly quickly was that the QD didn’t have that pop off the screen, almost 3d look to it that the LGs did. Yes the colors did look more saturated in HDR gaming but the picture almost looked worse to me. I noticed that the blacks looked more light gray unless the room was completely dark and even then if there was a bright part of the picture next to a black part, the light seemed to bleed over and turn the blacks gray. It’s also something I noticed when watching movies with the black bars. SDR content the bars are basically pure black unless something very bright is at the top or bottom borders of the picture and even then it’s not very noticeable as I have the TV calibrated to 160 nits in SDR. When I watch in HDR, those black bars are raised to a very dark gray but it’s noticeable. Yes the QD OLED has its advantages but to my eye, the WOLED looks better because of the better perceived contrast due to better black levels. For gaming I prefer the QD OLED slightly but for movies it’s no contest because I’m very sensitive to raised blacks.
I returned the S95B for the LG C2. If you care about perceived contrast in a room with any light… then WOLED is untouchable.
Appreciate the work you guys do 🙏
With my LG C9 I set the black level to just above black and get noticeably improved black to white response times.
I can only tell the difference in a completely dark room with very dark test patterns and as soon as there's any ambient light or any form of image on the screen I can't tell the difference.
With OLED panels no voltage is applied to black pixels but there's a delay when turning the pixel on. Having a very low voltage applied for 'black' illuminates this lag.
You didn't really improve black to white response times, you've just eliminated black to white transition altogether. I have a C9 myself and raised blacks is the last thing I'd want from it. Seems strange to me to optimize around such a niche case at the cost of something that's noticeable most of the time, but to each their own.
No, you didn't. OLED response times are on the order of 0.1 ms. There's no meaningful added delay from a pixel being fully off. What you did is placebo yourself.
My phone says my room is 10 to 50lux on a sunny day in winter, ~250-300 at the window.
I have to switch the lights on during the day to make it to 250-500 mark where OLED seemingly the same.
Agree, as someone who switch from a VA to a QD-OLED I know that if you shine a lights directly on the screen you can see the Megenta hue like in the video but that never shows up in real life for me, I have the screen facing two windows both with bildes and using my phone with 2x lux apps i get between 50 - 70 lux at the screen in the middle of the day. if i close the blinds completly it drops to around 30 - 40, that combined with the Brightness of OLED just no camparesen to the VA at the same brightness. if your in a 200 - 400 lux enviorment not sure who you can use a screen with a 120 nit value.
Very informtaive comparison. How about the old "near black" artifacts of OLED? Perfect blacks ok, but the lowest luminance in OLED (that is not perfect black) seems to be quite distant from perfect black, and also quite different from the immediately higher luminance level. So very dark areas in movies can appear with visible blotches and patches. At least that used to be the case and a common complaint in OLEDs. Is this still an issue in OLED monitors, or no longer the case?
The issue there isn't the panel, it's the codec, particularly with 8 bit footage and the LUT the TV is using.
Notice how you only get this with regular SDR footage and not high bitrate Dolby vision stuff?
Using a low strength debanding filter with 10bit dithering fixes this. You could even just use a luma clamped 10/12bit dither filter. You might be able to get an NVIDIA shield TV with mpv to run this, weaker android boxes chug a bit.
@@JohnSmith-qt4pv Hmm not completely sure it is or was only an SDR issue, but will look further into that, thanks
@@JohnSmith-qt4pv No, it's also a panel issue. Most OLEDs out of the box have a good amount of black crush. There is no free lunch, you can't get linear behavior out of a diode if you're going to reverse bias it / turn it off completely. OLED has to choose between black crush or elevating black slightly to get accurate behavior.
Hey TFT! Have a serious question about MLA, was surprised by your findings of Dough’s gorilla glass monitor performing somewhat similarly to the matte version.
Does MLA in general raise black levels in presence of ambient light or is it gorilla glass not being as kind vs glossy?
It’s hard to determine if it’s MLA or the coating, probably a bit of both. I’d need to be able to measure an MLA glossy TV along with a non MLA glossy TV to be sure. The panel coating is quite different to glossy though, so that will have an impact for sure.
@@tftcentral That would be greatly appreciated, especially since MLA is the standard for WOLED monitor panels. My hunch is that MLA reflects light, but would love to know for sure.
I will never understand why you build such a fantastic panel just to put a contrast killing smear coating over it
It's because the anti reflection polarizer will decrease brightness, probably not a good thing for marketing people.
Because not everyone uses them in a dark room.. compared to my c1 my 27GR looks fine to my eye in dark room. They are next to each other.
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@@walker2006aumatte is way more distracting it spreads & smears the light destroying contrast sharp depth just slightly dim the shades
Do you know by any chance if the Dough Spectrum Black 32" is considered WOLED glossy because of the Gorilla glass? Thank you :)
It should behave like the gorilla glass 27” discussed in this video, but not the same as the glossy WOLED TVs as it has much different reflection handling
How can I measure LUX? Tried using my phone and getting inconclusive results. Phone flush with the monitor: 100 LUX, phone laying on the table: 200 LUX, phone at table but directed at light source at ceiling: 300 LUX. Which of this results is most relevant?
10:42 I prefer the glossy one 😂
What is the average lighting level of an office or a living room (in lux) ? Thanks
It’s really hard to pin it down as every use case is different but a simple way to check your conditions would be to download one of the many free lux meter smartphone apps and take some measurements to give you an idea 😀
I'm getting an LG C3 42 soon and I really wonder if the reflections will be a deal breaker. Usually my room isn't very bright and I have a window behind the monitor to the side, but I do have a white wall that reflects quite a bit of light, so I'm getting a bit worried now.
I’d expect it to probably be ok, but everyone is different. Let us know how you get on!
@@tftcentral I sure will. If I may ask, did you have any issues with ABL/ABSL kicking in during media consumption with the C3 42? You didn't mention it in the review, but I wanted to ask anyway. Some people on reddit reported having dimming while gaming, especially in HDR when going from a dark scene to a bright scene in-game. I've watched quite a few reviews now, including yours, and nobody has ever mentioned dimming during media consumption, only while using desktop apps, which is acceptable. Could it be they just didn't set the TV up properly, for example disabling eco mode and using Game mode, as explained in your C3 42 recommended settings video?
@zaleskar you can never eliminate ABL as that’s a function of the panel and the way it handles power. But I expect this is more related to ASBL which causes dimming when it detects static content. You’ll certainly notice it for desktop use but I never experienced it for dynamic content. LG did release a firmware update quite recently which reduced its behaviour a bit so perhaps it was a problem/bug before for some content. That can actually be fully turned off within the factory menu too if it’s really an issue 😀
@@tftcentral Thank you very much for your helpfulness. I'm getting the C3 soon, so I'll just test it and see what happens. Hopefully with your recommended settings and some common sense I won't have issues while gaming/hdr gaming.
I have a c1 that I use as a pc monitor and I can confirm that it is like a mirror when their is a lot of light in the background, so you will have to control the lighting in your room to avoid these mirror like reflections.
My Asus PG35VQ recently died, so I'm in the market for an ultrawide OLED monitor. Do you have a plan to add a section on your homepage where we can have a quick visual overview of deal breakers, like pixel structure, text clarity, if the monitor has active cooling, a score based on reflectivity and included DP2.0 and HDMI2.1 ports? The Asus PG34WCDM seems like it's going to be worth the wait even without a DP2.0 port, but I'm not sure if it uses active cooling or not.
It won’t have active cooling, it will use their custom heat sink like their other OLED. It’s one of their key features 😀 I’ll prob try and do some kind of comparison guide at some point if I can
@@tftcentral That's what I heard too, but does a better heatsink really mean they can omit an active cooling fan?
@Quickloaded it’s so hard to know as all these monitors haven’t been around very long at all. But it will have passed various testing procedures and validations and will be within spec for heat etc as defined by the panel manufacturer. I’d be comfortable it will be sufficient. It’s not like those active fans are very big, or have much air flow anyway
How visible in normal lit room is the QD-OLED's tint? I want a 27" OLED for work and gaming, and was put off by this years crop of WOLED due to text fringing. Now it seems the QD-OLED is also no good for desktop use in daylight conditions? Or is this an exaggerated filming artifact?
That’s a fair representation of the way black turns grey/purple on current gen 1 34” in the presence of a bright light source tbh.
QD-OLED is unlikely to be better regarding text fringing.
I wish there was an option for a “satin” or semi matte coating. My issue with most matte displays is how aggressive they are with the coating
Damnnn I knew about the awful black dept or near black performance of OLED displays but I did not know there was actually a difference between WOLED and RGB OLED in that field 😮
It amuses me to notice QD OLED suffering from ambient light the same way our good old CRT displays do because of the way phosphor technology works. With BFI they could look close to CRTs
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Can we expect QD-OLED Gen 3 to perform as poorly with ambient light as QD-OLED Gen 1 & 2?
We were told there hadn’t been any changes in that regard with Gen 3 but we will test one when we get one in 👍
who is gonna use a OLED for an office
Yep, this is the reason none of the QD monitors made it onto my short list. This is a major flaw and I’m honestly quite surprised that it was corner cut considering this was already a known and fixed problem on the TVs
How was the problem fixed?
@@hellblazer7 IIRC the full size TVs from Samsung and Sony do have a polarizer layer, unless that was only Sony. I could certainly be misremembering though. It'd be much more apparent on a TV if it didn't have one
@@jackconrad4814 ow so it was by introducing a polarizing layer. Thanks
Pretty sure it's still a problem on TVs..
@DrakonR I expect it’s masked somewhat by the viewing environment, night time viewing, darker lighting etc. I’ve not had chance to use one in this kind of testing sadly
I'll probably get more annoyed at seeing my own reflection in the screen than low black levels
QD-OLED >
the perfect monitor does not exists until lg decides to use glossy on their panels or samsung fixes that gray mess. 2024 model oleds are not 'the one' even though there are 4k 32" glossy panels, which many people are waiting to buy
The first 120hz monitors on the market were VA panels by Samsung in 2012. Glossy, great colours and high end quality. Then when 144hz G-Sync arrived in 2014 it went all matte, and it has been all matte for gaming monitors ever since, until now. So we had to wait 10 years to get back to some glossy choices in gaming monitors. At least its happening !!
IME any wOled or decent VA panel with or without FALD or mini-led has perfect blacks with any amount of ambient light. And then wOled is perfect in pitch black (my B9 is bur my C3 is so bright it has a halo effect similar to blooming. But still better than FALD.) while FALD is good and mini-led is great blacks. Normal edge lit VA is fair to poor and IPS is trash.
It’s always been like this. WOled blacks are not lifted in bright environment. I’ve heard qdoled is but havent seen them outside Best Buy and the demos don’t show off black level but just color and brightness.
All good guys but 200 nits is ridiculously low, especially in the moderately bright room. 120 nits are nonexistent. The hell are you comparing? Your comparison also not includes anti-glare coating which is VERY different in low and high-end OLEDs. (like B vs G LG lineups or S90C vs S95C Samsung models)
We’re talking about and comparing desktop monitors here. 200 nits is on the high end for SDR usage, and we included 120 nits out of interest and to show basically the trend of the lines. 120 nits is the recommended brightness for a desktop monitor in normal lighting conditions. As for the other coatings, no I’m not including those as those are TVs / TV size screens and this was focused on monitors
@@tftcentral I see. During the daytime at my job I'm using 250 nits monitor at 100% brighness and often it's not enough. 200 and 120 seems like really low. Maybe fine for some dark rooms idk.
@Eugene-ve3ov yeah it will def depend on ambient lighting. In a typical well lit office you’d need it high. In my home office I have moderate lighting but always run around 120 nits myself
I love my Asus PG42UQ semi-matte OLED. I will die on this hill.
Semi matte? As far as I know Asus doesn’t have any semi-matte coatings. The new QD-OLED monitor will have semi-gloss I think though.
Me too. I hate reflections, and if you light the room correctly the black is very good with the PG42UQ.
Yes, its not 100% matte. I have worked on both glossy and matte professional monitors. I have a few videos on here that show it I think.@@Shadowsmoke11
@@Crozz22 I rather choose reflections than having the light smeared all over across the screen.