Nah Sampe D being Mini-LED was way too easily noticeable. As there is a good lift in blacks as the transition when it goes from black to milky grey when objects come onto screen is clearly noticeable. And The blooming itself is noticeable. While A and C are perfect blacks.
@@KING_DRANZER Unless all the content you watch is set in Space, you'll rarely notice it in daily use. I much prefer having a brighter image that doesn't burn in, since 90% of the content on my display is near full screen brightness.
@@badpuppy3 Lot many games have dark scenes with bright elements man. But yeah overall brightness is not yet TV levels. This next Gen QD-OLED should be even brighter.
On my LG C2 42", sample B and D stands out, although sample D only looks a little washed out. You probably couldn't tell the difference if you were watching on an LCD...
I 'upgraded' from an aw3423dw to a cooler master gp27q after having warranty issues with the QD-OLED. The mini led can show a bit of blooming in the dark scenes which is more noticeable if you view it of axis but the brightness and HDR impact of the mini-led in bright scenes is mind blowing. The brightness, text clarity, HDR impact and no burn in make a compelling case for mini-led especially for a mixed gamming productivity use.
@@maxdubois6385 I got 16:9 burn in from playing a couple of older games with no ultrawide support. when I claimed on the warranty dell UK had none in stock so after a couple of calls they agreed to refund me instead.
@@maxdubois6385 I'm curious to this as well , if you buy from Dell you have a fantastic warranty from what I hear its 3 years that includes burn in for no extra cost.
I moved to the Samsung Mini Led g8 after burn in on my QD oled Alienware in only 7 months. QD oled panels just aren't suitable for any long term productivity.
Mini led ips lcd with 5088 mini led zones seems like my end game monitor for me, the 4k resolution on 27 inches make everything crystal clear, the 160hz provides buttery smooth, 5088 mini led zones which create minimal blooming and very similar to oled and all that with no risk of burn in for every task you do. Until then we will have to wait for a test for that monitor.
For passive content consumption this is true but for gaming local dimming will add additional processing delay that's absent on an OLED so you'll have to make a pretty big sacrifice there
@@ameserich lol I didn't finish the video. Maybe this ktc model is an outlier or maybe it's improving to a significant degree, but generally speaking processing lag gets longer with local dimming enabled. Refer to HUB and MUB if in doubt
It looks like that the next gen mini-LED wave of TVs and monitors will have 5000 zones! To make it complete they will come with Quantum Dots too, uhh ohh OLED you better watch out.
I will say I ended up sticking with my LG C2 over the $3000 PA32UCG MINI LED, the contrast and ability to turn off pixels looks better to the eyes than 1700 nit brightness. It took awhile to fully conclude but I have no doubts or regrets
The black level matters more than the brightness for HDR gaming. I got a great deal on a 40-inch LG C2 for under 600 dollars, and it looks much better than most 1000-nit monitors I’ve tried.
I think the OLED screens are plenty bright, I have had to squint watching some HDR content on my MacBook Pro with mini led screen (1600nit peak). 800-1000 nit is enough for me. Also anti burn in tech has come so far that it’s not a problem for TVs anymore. If you get enough dimming zones mini-led could be perfect for computers. My MacBook Pro has 2000 dimming zones on a 14” screen. I do see blooming but only on high contrast hdr footage
I bought the G9 neo over an OLED monitor because I usually have bought a monitor and used it for 6-7 years. I got a 3440x1440 back when they were still pretty new in 2015/16 and just upgraded. if I got burn in after 3 years it would kind of ruin the investment for me. besides the upgrade to mini-led was so much better than the regular IPS panel I had before. It was a good panel in 2015, but no HDR or local dimming so blacks were pretty grey.
This is seriously the most underrated channel, amazing work man, i'd love if you could make a video on the current sate of Freesync, gsync, vsync and fast sync and the best case usage for each type.
Samsung just needs to stop sitting on their hands and make micro-led more affordable and mass-producible. Micro led is just better in every way possible compared to any current display tech.
Watching this on an IPS, I liked C better, guessed A and C were OLEDs, didn't know B was VA but def was a backlit screen, D isn't bad, but something on it was kinda off to me. Can't wait for MicroLED
Oled also has the advantage of ultra low grey-to-grey response times so it virtually has no motion blur, the only two downsides (which also is a doubled edged sword) is the low brightness of oled. If you want more brightness there is a lot more risk of burn in.
When we get between 2 to 8 million dimming zones with mini-LED, OLED will be forgotten and the mini LED will be called micro-LED and youd be hard pressed to find anything better for decades.
I don't think that would be the case, oled still has plenty of advantages over a traditional LCD regardless of how close the back light can get to per pixel dimming. You cannot achieve as high of refresh rates on an LCD compared to an OLED, due to the limitation on the pixel response time. The theoretical max refresh rate on an LCD lies around 600 Hertz, because even the fastest IPS panels that exist cannot change the pixels quick enough to make anything beyond that displayable. Since the pixel response time on an OLED type display is near instant, measuring usually around 1 10th to 1 20th The response time of an LCD, the max displayable refresh rates is in the thousands. As future-proof technology goes, OLED only suffers from degradation and burn, which are solved by micro LED display technologies. Micro LEDs are currently way too expensive, but theoretically can become cheaper to manufacture compared to OLED. The next display boom will be micro LED, the same way OLED currently is, and the same way IPS was.
This is by far the best video I have seen on the subject. Some people think OLED is always better and anything else is so much worse. Mini LED has so much potential, just way more zones and better response times.
OLED's just way overrated. It is the best in most areas at the moment... but only very slightly better than the best LED has to offer. And outside of extreme case scenarios, people won't notice any blooming when just watching movies or playing games. For most part, to even see a difference you'll need to be playing in a very dark room in the first place for most content. And within a few years from now that difference will be signicantly smaller again.
@@thenonexistinghero "OLED's just way overrated. It is the best in most areas at the moment..." - How does that sentence even make sense? You just admitted that OLED is superior and yet at the same time still say it's overrated. You're just being delusional. OLED is superior and will remain superior to miniLED in both contrast and colour vibrancy. "And within a few years from now that difference will be significantly smaller again" - In those few years, you think OLED will remain stagnant and wait for miniLED to catchup? OLED itself is steadily improving and is getting more efficient and burn-in resistant than before with QD-OLED (and with blue phosphorescent OLEDs on the way) so it only needs to get brighter and be burn-in resistant and OLED will retain its position as the gold standard for displays while miniLED will pretty much remain as entry-level quality display.
The only display tech that'll be able to overthrow OLED is microLED (which is unlikely due to it's FAR more complex issues) and QDEL (Electroluminescent Quantum Dot displays).
@@fidelisitor8953 OLED still has significant burn in issues, which is why Alienware had to start putting 3 year burn in warranties onto their QD-OLED monitors. Mini LED has no burn in issues. The number of dimming zones will keep on going up as the tech matures, while being significantly cheaper than OLED. For productivity Mini LED is superior to OLED. For super bright content Mini LED is superior to OLED.
@BeggProductions Same here. I'm really satisfied with my 65 inch Mini LED. We don't have to deal with wide viewing angles when watching TV so the drawbacks of VA Mini LED panels aren't important to us.
I have a 27” oled sitting right next to a 27” mini led monitor. I 100% agree with everything stated here. High APL games like Spider-Man Miles Morales? I play on my mini led. Low APL games like Resident Evil 2 Remake? I play on my oled. Also, very glad you highlighted at 3:39 how teeny tiny highlights (0.01% window size?) are far far less bright on mini led displays than oled. It makes a huge difference in hdr impact and cannot be emphasized enough how much of a limitation this is for mini LED monitors and TV’s.
I say the worst cases for mini-LED are star maps or just games with view of the starry sky. Mass Effect's maps looked terrible and even the sky in Terraria looks awful. I've also noticed in some cases to prevent the bloom they sometimes completely crush out stars.
@@Skylancer727 I have the Samsung Odyssey Neo G7 Mini-LED and I don't have a problem with how the stars look in space themed games like Mass Effect and Starfield. It's fine. I barely even notice any ghosting or blooming.
@@100toeface APL stands for *Average Picture Level*. Essentially, APL defines how much of the displayed image is bright versus how much is dark. Reviewers often use different-sized white windows against a black background to measure APL. Here’s how it works: - A quarter-sized white box represents a 25% APL. - Half the screen corresponds to 50% APL. - A full white screen equals 100% APL. - Smaller windows (e.g., 1% or 5% APL) simulate small highlight areas.
Super informative video with good comparison and explanation. I probably won't notice the local dimming imperfections because I hate looking at monitor in dark room (most noticeable I think). Mini Led still has rooms for improvement. Hopefully next year, there will be a lot of cheaper options for mini led and oled monitors.
I could easily tell which one is the VA and which one is the Mini LED. I just had to turn my phone's brightness to max, 2 in the monrning and it feels like someone threw a flashbang at me. Thanks techless 😁
I'm waiting as the mini-led technology will be more mature with at least 10000 zones on 27" and without flickering problems. OLED is a NoGo for me as a computer monitor. This technology is great to watch a movie or play a game from time to time but not to work on it 8+ hours per day. Conclusion: OLED TV - yes sure. OLED PC monitor - hell no.
Not necessarily more dimming zones, it depends on the manufacturer. For TV, Sony with 576 zones is better than Samsung with 1200: ua-cam.com/video/P3r34GFVYos/v-deo.html
5000 zones mini-LED TVs and monitors are already announced this year. Pretty much the next gen mini-LED models will come around mid 2024. And they will bring the secret sauce Quantum Dots to battle OLED. Examples: TCL QD-MiniLED TV X955 (5,184 zones) REDMAGIC 4K 160Hz Mini-LED gaming monitor with 5088 zones.
A year back i got a Samsung Neo G7 which is a 32'' 4k 165hz miniled VA with 1200 dimming zones. And its highlights at certain points reach 2000 nits with HDR on. HDR looks amazing, i dont have to worry about burnin, its WAAAAAAAAAAY brighter overall compared to an oled panel and its a perfect size and resolution for my use case. Downsides are... viewing angles are not great, but they arent disgusting either. For me thats not a dealbreaker anyways. I mean i use my monitor head on so yea, got no problems with that. 2nd thing, small bright highlights like dots on pitch black background when local dimming is on, can have a little bit of blooming but thats to be expected with miniled. All in all iam willing to try gen 3 oleds with the same size and resolution when they release next year but my next monitor will probably be a miniled with ~5000 dimming zones.
i got the neo g8 and feel the same way when i got it i also got a qd-oled at the same time and tested both for a month and kept the better one i didnt like how dim oled was
I went QD-OLED with the alienware some months ago and I will keep using that until microled is in and buyable at a fair price. Oled monitors are decently priced now and I imagine mine will last atleast 5-6 years with little to no burn in as I mainly just use it for gaming and have another monitor for productivity.
MicroLED is likely still 10 years out. We haven't remotely solved the problems with it and have had better luck making completely new display types instead. Full emissive QD-OLED is more likely to be close enough to microLED to most and that should come in the next 3-5 years.
@@Skylancer727 yeah we will see, samsung has already produced microled tv's but they are very expensive and a lot harder to make atm.. This reminds me of what OLED was like 5-6 years ago. Now you can get oled monitors that are priced within 1000 dollars and tv's as well when before the monitors were non existent and the tv's were insanely priced.
@@KingsDR It just means new better versions will most likely be coming out. Looks like alienware will be releasing 4k ones and 32" sizes too.. I could see them going for the 38 or a larger size as well. I have the DWF QOLED from them and love it, 34" is the perfect size for 1440p. Anything less is too small imo, and anything more screws the pixels.
I love my Innocn Mini Led Monitor. For under 500$ 4k 27" it's a steal for what i use it for. Which is mostly video editing and content consumption. The dimming zones are definitley noticiable but arent that big of a deal. The image is absolutely beautiful and color accurate. My end game would be this same monitor but with more zones and higher refresh rate. That would be perfect and that future monitor will still probably cost less than 1000$ when it comes out which will be the deciding factor over OLEDs if their prices dont go down.
Life is about compromises. If you want the best you'll still have to pay out of your ass for it. There's no instance of getting a perfect product for cheap.
I recognized D as Mini because of the better and brighter colors. Ironically the best of the four in the particular test shown in the intro. Mini certainly has drawbacks but I never see blooming on my 32MV2 outside productivity use (where I can just disable HDR if it bothers me and local dimming goes off with it).
very fair and balanced assessment of the different tech i love OLED but i find it annoying how some famboys act as if the tech is perfect and all of the downsides were not valid points of criticism regarding LCDs, they can look great with good blacks during day with lots of ambient light; but i tend to watch movies and game in dimly lit environemnts and thats always where (even good miniLED) LCDs completely fall apart for me
The only place where mini-LED looks as good as OLEDs is cinematic experience. That also happens to be the only place where OLEDs are least prone to burn in. Mini LEDs are crap in desktop work compared to OLEDs (I speak from experience) - but it is also the most burn in inducing task for OLEDs… Why can’t we just have the perfect tech?
It seems Micro LED might be as close as we are going to be to a "perfect" monitor tech, but it will most probably make OLED look cheep the first few years. I still want to see what it can do. And on the cost thing I've been wrong before. Before OLED was actually released to customers there was a lot of discussion on manufacturing technology. One was described like a printer technology where the organic materials were printed on plastic film. This was speculated to make OLED manufacture a lot cheaper than TN or IPS screens. Well, that doesn't seem like it ever happened and instead OLED's are pretty expensive.
From my perspective, OLED technology has faced criticism for its susceptibility to burn-in, but it's important to consider the broader context of this issue. Human nature predisposes us to focus more on negative aspects and potential threats, which in this case, amplifies the perceived problem of burn-in with OLED. Moreover, it's worth noting the competitive dynamics in the display market, where LCD manufacturers have a vested interest in highlighting the drawbacks of OLED technology to maintain their market position (against LG and now Samsung). However, a key point often overlooked is the widespread adoption of OLED screens in smartphones. Despite the fact that most phone displays are OLED, concerns about burn-in are notably absent. This discrepancy is intriguing, especially when considering that, according to recent data, the average person spends around 3 hours and 15 minutes on their phone daily, often interacting with static UI elements - a scenario seemingly ripe for burn-in. This leads to an interesting observation: the issue of burn-in with OLEDs might be more of a theoretical concern than a practical one. In reality, the average consumer is likely to upgrade their TV or monitor long before any significant burn-in becomes apparent. Thus, while the concern over OLED burn-in isn't unfounded, it is perhaps exaggerated, both due to human psychological tendencies and competitive pressures in the display industry. Sincerely yours, a happy owner of LG C8 for 5 years.
The issue is,Apparently samsung had an old oled and it pretty much installed this fear early on back in the day,Now,Tech has advanced and OLED is exceptional and pretty much sorted,Burn in is rare especially in newer models especially what you use it for and what room you stick it in.Apart from that,They are so much superior to any other screen and no screen can come close to its self emitted pixel count,On top of insane contrast and superior movie watching,With game modes that have the fastest input lag you simply can’t get on other TVs.
@@michaelandrews4783 FUD - i've used OLED screens exclusively since 2015, for TV and multiple computer/laptop screens that i use for 8+ hours a day. Never have i encountered any form of burn-in or retention effects. The last time i saw any burn-in was on my first-gen HTC Desire (Amoled) phone in 2012, well over a decade ago.
mini-LED is ramping up in zones amounts, 27" 4K 5000 zones monitors are already announced. 384 zones mini-LED monitors are just the first gen, next gen is almost here and 2024 will be a battle vs OLED and mini-LED.
they better hurry up, i am using the 14" 10k dimming zones 1600nits HDR display from my mbp for 3 years now. I need something way bigger badly, but i am unwilling to spent a lot of money for something thats not even in the ballpark.
Oled is just not a suitable option for anyone in my position: 8 hour work days 5 times a week in mostly static image setting, and 4-5 hours of gaming per week. Mini led IPS is an obvious choice and I am more than happy with the GP27Q
I had a Samsung Neo G7 and I loved and hated it in equal measure. Strongly dislike the curve, which as a monitor for productivity and graphic design, made it very difficult to really have an understanding of how my image was actually look on a flat screen. Blooming is a massive issue. What good is contrast if scenes with challenging white and black differences become a chore for the dimmng algorithm to make sense of? I made the mistake of watching The Expanse on my Neo G7 thinking that those inky blacks of space would look so great, and it was a horrible experience. Small bright spots, even with 1100+ dimming zones would blow out the surrounding darkness, making it every bit as noticable as backlight bleed or VA "smear". Also, because color accuracy often degrades when dimming and HDR are turned on, i would often leave these off for desktop use and it made me feel like a fool. The ultimate goal for a monitor in my eyes is to be absolutely a swiss army knife. If i have to baby it or finangle with the settings for every single use case, it becomes an annoyance. Improved zone counts will help, but mini led still relies on hdr to look good, whereas a bunch of the OLEDs I've used look great no matter what you throw at them.
Im not gonna lie, there is way too much distortion in this video to even tell the differences in black, not even the oleds are coming up as black in the video Viewing from my own oled
Could you do a comparison between the KTC M2T20 and the AOC Q27G3XMN with response time performance at 120 and 60 hertz. Both are 27 inch QHD mini LED, would like to see which is best. Thanks
Atm it looks like Mini LED is sort of a transitional technology. The problem for OLED is the O part. The organic compounds degrade too fast. The question is how much they can improve that. But there are other factors to consider. The reason why OLED is a thing is because conventional LEDs cant be manufactured small enough to be used as individual pixels. The reason why I said Mini LED is sort of a transitional technology is because technically if you can make regular LEDs small enough they can be used the same way as OLEDs but technically it could be regarded as Mini LED. Currently the holy grail would be RGB coloured LEDs in Pixel size.
The problem with mini LED is that it shifts color, particularly skin tones, in dark mode. It's essentially unusable. OLED is the future, but their really need to fix the problem with burn-in and color fringing on text. As is, it cannot be used for productivity, which is what most people need monitors for, by the way.
I could easily tell that sample A and sample C were OLED monitors at 720p youtube quality and 2% monitor brightness. For some people Mini-LED might suffice but after my LG C2 there's no way in hell I'm letting my next monitor be anything other than a glossy OLED. Only problem I can think of is text rendering but that is fixable to some degree, I believe.
OLED monitors cost more and LG OLED tvs have no displayport. OLEDs also still have burn in issues, which is why Alienware has a 3 year burn in warranty because they know the issue still persists. Mini LED was created as an alternative to OLED, with similar dimming tech but without the burn in issues. The final version will be Micro LED but that's still some time away.
I was able to tell that sample D was the mini led, though I am watching on a shitty LCD phone, so take everything I say with a grain of Halite. 0:11 Panel D stuck out, as the grapes looked a lot greener than for panel C, and oleds are able to nail golden shades better. 0:14 Also the honey was a lot brighter, so that is another potential giveaway.
I've been using the LG 27GS95QE for about 6 months and I am sick of the terrible sharpness, so I got my self a 4K mini led with 1100+ zones. It saved me!
Curious if Oled is more energy efficient thanks to it's ability to not turn on individual pixels (in addition to having lower Nit brightness capabilities)
The power of having an ultrawide from 2015 is that basically anything of decent quality these days looks better. I love my ultrawide, it's color accurate and great for my work. But I still bought one of the new faster VA panels with less "smear" (I can't really tell unless I push the worst conditions) and with mini-led local dimming zones, that again, unless I'm boosting brightness and really looking for the blooming and stuff, it's perfectly fine. To be fair, I'm not the best critic, I'm perfectly fine with the backlight bleed/blooming of this old IPS panel. I even find the VA panel accurate enough/good enough for editing most of the time (27 inch display, if you're at the right viewing distance, and generally the center of the screen is where the image for editng is, I don't really notice much of an issue, def not on the level of "IMPOSSIBLE TO USE, TERRIBLE" that influencers/reviewers cry). I run both displays as dual monitors, so I can just use the ultrawide for color critical work and have fun with the other panel. No risk of burn in (which would 100% happens with all the static elements that are open in my workflow) and it was pretty cheap. When microLEDs aren't 2 fortunes to buy, I'll go with that. I see OLED as being basically the same as Plasma for displays. Looks great, but way too many downsides and an obvious stepping stone to a much better solution.
Its tricky, I would like to use OLED, because its faster for gaming. If Mini-LED becomes so good, that there is no percievable difference with blooming, it will be the new default. Hopefully Mini-LED can keep up with the Refreshrates.
I so wish Sony does their thing again... Their Sony INZONE M9 only had 96 zones and still did insane well for what it had to work with. Give them 1000 to 5000 zones, I bet they can pull it off to be called* "OLED monitors" in normal day to day content!
Micro LED is "end game", but it will take years until it's affordable to mere humans. Newer generation of OLED TVs are cheaper than ever and less prone to burn-in. They should last for at least 5-10 years, unless use case scenario is extreme. Basically, as long as you don't use OLED for work 24/7, you're most likely perfectly good to go. I believe 2 or 3 OLEDs, from this point of time, should last you long enough until micro led is wide spread. Mini LEDs are not bad though. They are more than decent solution for anyone who needs to use TV as a monitor day in - day out. Their weakest point, imho, is subtitle blooming (for people that often use subtitles, which is about everybody except natives from USA, UK and Australia).
For ultra high-end products I think it would make more sense to make a Dual-Layer QD- LCD than a Mini-LED. Yeah, it maybe won't compete in peak-brightness segment, but it would have pixel-level dimming and OLED-like contrast, so it wouldn't need to anyway. Also it would have sustained brightness level, without ABL dimming, pixel shifting, burn-in risk and blooming. The reason MicroLED is so expensive is because they can't make the actual diodes small enough to be used on regular-sized TVs, let alone Monitors. Also they still create them individually and use pick-and-place manufacturing process, which is an extremely inefficient process compared to inkJet printing, or even vapor deposition process for OLED panels. Not to mention the diode failure rate is extremely high, too. So we definitely won't see MicroLED come to the commercial TV/Monitor market anytime soon, if ever. But a Dual-Layer LCD is a well-known tech which can rival, or even surpass OLED in the high-end market.
Mini LED will eventually become the defacto choice for PC users wanting a good HDR experience, burn in on the OLEDs have slowly become less of a factor but it's a factor that will always exist due to the nature of the technology.
I’m just playing the waiting game. I’ve determined OLED isn’t ideal for my use case but we just need more 1440p Mini LED options with 240hz refresh rates.
I won't be getting either Mini LED or OLED. But currently, I've been struggling with trying to decide between several brands of monitors and have yet to figure out which to get. The specs I'm looking for are: 32" UHD [4K] IPS 144hz ^ I've looked at LG, ASUS, DELL, and Samsung...and have no idea which way to go. I currently have an LG 32" 4K IPS monitor, but it is the 60hz model. Been thinking that upping the hz would be good, but when these monitors are so expensive, I've had a hard time deciding what to do. What would you your advice?
@@0hMyGandhi Gaming, mostly. 4K Youtue [as it does make a different between 4K and 1440]. I play games like Ghostwire Tokyo, Fortnite, Genshin Impact, Modded Skyrim,...things like that. Thanks, if you can offer advice on which brand/model.
M32P10 has 1152 dimming zones which is more than double, so I bet it's getting into imperceivable territory if larger bright objects are already hard to distinguish between mini-LED and OLED.
But the M32P10 is IPS. It'll have smaller sections of blooming, but they'll be much more jarring. Mini-LED only makes sense with IPS monitors if we're talking several thousand zones. If you want to get by with 500-1000, it'd better be a good quality VA (which is what most brands do on their TV's).
@@phahq I bought the M32P10 and it arrived yesterday. I can tell you the only time I ever notice the blooming is when using the desktop or looking at a browser. All other content I don't see any blooming whatsoever. It's very noticeable at an angle, but IPS are made to be looked directly at anyway. So if you want a budget HDR setup, I highly recommend it!
@@Zadrave Yeah, I understand the point of view. In actual content, with the exception of starry skies and that sort of thing, the HDR on 1000-zone IPS is pretty good. I don't disagree. But I'm the "see it once and can't unsee it" kind of person. Don't get me wrong, I'd totally be down for a 2000+ zone IPS, as I still much prefer their presentation over VA (better viewing angles and more consistent transitions for all RGB levels). But, at 1000 zones, it has to be VA for me, LCD wise. Though, truthfully, a TV like the S90C is bright enough in HDR to hold me over till better LCD or microLED tech comes along.
Well, it's not just dimming zones that matter. Also the dimming algorhythm. Sony TV's have the best one and it shows since their do have a pretty low zone count.
@@retrofizz727 I aggree honestly, i actually just returned the Samsung odyssey g5 27inch VA monitor, and sure the contrast is good and colours are pretty vibrant, still even high end VA's suffer from pixel overshooting, black smearing and in general poor color accuracy, so I switched to a nano ips monitor which has almost perfect movement.
Thanks! I'm basically using whatever I'm reviewing at the moment. But I'm also trying to get as many hours as possible on the LG OLED to see if it will burn in (and I also really enjoy it a lot for gaming and content consumption).
my whole thing is motion blur as it helps me a lot. Over a year or so ago you did a review on the ex2510, and I bought it instantly coming from a 60hz benq. Now i want to upgrade again and idk if i want to save up for the ex2710qm or just pull the trigger on the xl2566k.. 🤔@@techlessYT
Sorry ... i made a mistake where to comment... not ment to you... but any way, hos you do with the burn in testing? I cant made a decition what tv to buy (QLED/QNED or OLED) for PC monitor use too.... 40% drawing and surfing, and 40% movies, and rest is pleasure.. :D
Personally I prefer the brightness of mini led over the absolute blacks of oled. I actually like to see when I'm playing and not be in complete darkness. Most games I feel the need to up the gamma on anyways. Also oled is like double the price of mini led. The mini led's colors are pretty close in vibrancy to oled to my eyes. Especially when comparing to non mini led and non oled monitors. I also like to have my monitors/tv's last more than 3-5 years. I used to have a plasma TV and burn in was a really bad issue. I know burn in on oled can be reduced or fixed but it basically is reducing the blues overtime. Also the organic nature of oled means it won't last as long. TV and monitor technology is getting so advanced we won't really need anything new for a very long time. Once you get 4k 144hz with vrr your pretty much set for life. The only other thing I'd like is the variable resolution tech that allows you to have native 4k and 1080p on the same display. But I doubt that will come to tv's and I use large displays. Micro led will be superior to anything we have now but it won't be affordable for over a decade. Rumors suggest that 2024 will have better mini led and oled tech but we will have to see. Unless gpus get cheaper and still get better at 4k gaming, I might just have to go back to 1080p 😭
In the first few seconds the contest was over for me. Mini LED had vibrancy. Sample C was very poor indeed. I can see where there are areas that OLED does have an advantage but that saturation and vibrancy of the Mini LED just stood out with more of a wow factor.
It really just depends on the kind of content. A very dark city with lights or space or something look better on an OLED. But stuff like CG movies and other content that is generally just pretty bright and vivid looks better on MiniLED. Heck, I would say for the majority of content it looks better.
@@thenonexistingheroJust because it’s bright doesn’t mean it’s better,OLED has superior contrast and black uniformity levels which are just as important.
As someone who owns high end models representing both techs I'll say 1200 zone Mini-LED looks very impressive, amazing even.. but >95% of the time the OLED looks at least slightly better or a lot better. It is the purists choice.
No Mini-LED display is going to produce better color than an QD-OLED display. I have one of each side by side with me and the difference on the same content EVERYTIME cannot be understated. Mini-LED with Quantum Dot is great, don’t get me wrong. But it ain’t gonna EVER better color wise than QD-OLED. Against W-OLED it’s a little closer but even then overall the picture quality is incomparable.
Definitely. Will also take about 5-10 years before actually becoming affordable sadly (as in, affordable for the high-end TV market that can drop $10-$12K on a TV).
@@trihard42069 - He's right. You may be confusing MicroLED for MiniLED. Micro has all the benefits of OLED with none of the downsides, well other than cost but it should come down in a decade or so like OLED did.
individually lit = more dead pixels burn in = barely relevant in modern oleds even with high usage Only upside is being barely brighter than qd-oled lol. Unaffordable and will be for 10 years and the pixels are huge so you need an 80 inch anyways just for good clarity. Can go on and on @@PartStupid
I bought an OLED 5 years ago and replaced it a few months ago because the burn in was getting very noticeable even when viewing regular content. I could see burn-in after 2 - 3 years with solid color backgrounds, but it wasn't distracting like it is now. I replaced it with an QLED TV with local dimming zones and I am quite happy with it. It doesn't have the same black levels and the colors don't pop quite as much as the OLED, but at about 1/3rd of the cost, it was a good trade-off. I will never buy an OLED again until they can guarantee their panels will not have burn in for 10 years (and have it covered by the warranty), which I doubt will ever happen. If I am spending close to $2k for a 55" TV, I don't want the picture to start degrading after just a few years.
im swapping to Mini LED. I love my OLED and it looks insane but I now use my desktop for other apps and not pure gaming anymore but still want that HDR experience on the games I do own with HDR support. Burn in is seriously still an issue and RTings new vid prove it, especially for QD OLED and QD OLED monitors like I have. Looking at on with 1152 zones.
You are welcome!! Check samsung odyssey neo g8. Its 4k VA with 1126 diming zones. Refresh is 240 and its a beast for gaming. But!!! Its extreme curved, not sure if you like curve or not, but even if you like curved monitors, this is 1000R. Well, you will get used to it and wont pay attention after a week
@@Yuu_Tuubcame back to OLED. Not sure if it's that specific panel but highlights really do not pop. Full screen and larger stuff looks insane... Seriously impressive. But highlights do not get bright at all. Guess I stick with my old trusty 16:9 for everything else.
Monitor A looked neutral, B had backlight and a bit oversaturated, C was undersaturated and D was also oversaturated but without easy to see backligth. From there, I was guessing each correctly, but I think if A, B and D were callibrated to have identical colors, telling A from D might be difficult. Looking more closely, there also seems to be some aliasing, especially for monitors A and C, indicating that they may be 1440p vs 4k for D.
The difference in aliasing is probably caused by how the camera sensor pixel layout (X-Trans) interacts with the different pixel layouts. It's the newest gen triangular RGB for A, and WRGB for C and regular RGB stripe for B and D. All of them have basically the same pixel density.
The answer is YES, mini-LED is worse in so many areas than OLED. Instead of worrying about theoretical shortcomings such as burn-in (that thing CRTs also deal with), which I have never experienced in over ten years of using the tech, and is mostly used by competitors to bash the far superior competition, you should focus on the realities in front of you. Mini-LED is just a stopgap technology, made by companies like BOE who haven't been able to come close to or steal the OLED tech from LG and Samsung. (And yes, there are several high profile cases of presumably BOE buying off Samsung employees to steal their OLED tech. Who knows how much was stolen, but even still, it hasn't been enough to make them a reliable OLED panel maker. Their panels exist in cheaper Chinese phones, but Apple has rejected them multiple times as a supplier for lacking quality and not meeting specifications.) Samsung decided to go full ham in the computing space a couple years back, unfortunately right after Apple decided to use mini-LED tech in their Macbooks and iPads. OLED did exist earlier in laptops, but they were always garbage tier in comparison to the OLEDs in phones. However, it's a completely different story now after Samsung finally became serious. They are almost comparable to the latest flagship phone OLEDs now, and can reach over 500nits in SDR (even higher in HDR) and up to 240hz. The prices have also come way down, with $600 laptops getting OLED panels now. Apple is rumored to be transitioning their iPads to OLED in 2024, another blow to the shortlived mini-LED tech, which were always just a stopgap measure and trying to eke out the last remaining life out of the aging LCD tech. The Macbooks will come next. I guess it lasted longer than NFTs. It's really stupid to buy a mini-LED display right now. They have no future. There's a good Digital Trends video talking about mini-LED and it's blooming and dimming zone issues. The zones have already reached their limit. Any further advancements in increasing zone count will be cost prohibitive, and there is no way to fully isolate backlight bleeding into other zones no matter how many zones you make. Don't even bother with it. One less thing to think about. Just buy an OLED and be happy.
oled is excellent technology. nearly perfect in every aspect. the only deterrent is the overblown concern of burning in, which is practically not an issue in most usage cases. oled will not be easily dethroned.
As someone who oddly prefers miniled I will say burn in risk is overated on current oled displays. I did have a Samsung s7 that experienced burning from watching UA-cam videos but current displays have developed ways to minimize risk of burn in. So much so that a UA-cam burn in test of the OLED Nintendo switch have set on a single screen for over a year with no real sign of burn in
It's still a dice roll tbh. People were saying burn in was "a thing of the past" when I got mine, so I expected it to last longer than just a few years. It's so freeing not having to worry about it anymore...
They only counter the problem by changing voltage on the pixels. Like, when there is degradation on a field of pixels, they just dimm all the pixels around it. Burn In still happens it is only hidden, and once a certain treshhold is reached where further dimming isn't possible, ALL that accumulated damage will quickly appear.
I will answer it before watching. In perfect contidion oled will be better. But in a bright room with natural light there will be no siginicant difference, except the fact you will get a way brighter display from mini leds. Now if you are a pro oleds do have a better response times but for general use. This also depends on the refresh rate of the mini led panel as for example 540hz TN from Asus is generally better than current oleds in motion clarity.
To say the Mini LED is worse than OLED isn't really an argument (I'm not saying this video is useless, but it's very informative). Mini LED is meant to be a product in between regular LCD and OLED. Sort of like 'OLED quality at an LCD price' kinda marketing.
I have the KTC 27" miniLED monitor and i am totally satisfied. Great brightness 🔅 (its really bright) and no tearing anymore. Perfect for gaming and regular use. Its half the price of an OLED monitor. OLEDs are flickering in dark areas if you game 🎮
Mico led will make OLED obsolete, but that's still a few years to a decade away. Monitors with >2000 zones already close the gap extremely well and great for monitors due to no worry about burn-in. I do too much productivity work to have an OLED for a monitor, so the PG32UQX works well for me. I really want a mini-led ultrawide ips, but for some reason that is taking forever to come out.
When i listen to you and read the comments i have to say that many people dont get the whole point. Look at Sony‘s „cheap“ MiniLed TVs, they are significantly better than the competition who have way more dimming zones. You need so much experience and the actual technology to control all those dimming zones in milliseconds. Thats why even Sonys cheaper MiniLed TVs surpass the competition who simply lack the sophisticated tech to control all the lights.
Regarding the question you posed at the end: it is my personal believe that once QDEL (Quantum Dot Electro Luminescence) actually becomes viable to mass-produce, it's going to quickly displace all existing panel technologies on the market. It has basically all the benefits of QD-OLED, but without the burn-in issues. Plus, if Sharp and Nanosys are to be believed, it should be as easy and as cheap to produce as existing LCD panels, no specialized equipment needed... And to go a little bit in the beginning, where you mentioned it's pretty hard to identify each of the 4 panel types: If you know what to look for you can tell them apart. There was barely any blooming on the MiniLED panel, but if one looks close enough it can be spotted, the VA panel without local dimming is (as you mentioned) very obvious and from the remaining two, it's a matter of elimination. QD-OLED has way superior yellows over WOLED, so it was pretty easy to tell which of the 3 with perfect blacks was the WOLED :D
That depends, the panel used wasn't even close to the max amount of dimming zones available (1152 is affordable now) with 2000+ and some future ones promising even upwards of 5000. With numbers like that even a trained eye won't be able to spot the difference which will make OLED obsolete since it not only struggles with burn-in but high price and lower brightness as well.
@@anitaremenarova6662 One problem you have with local dimming tho is wonky pixel switching times. A test like Nvidia's LDAT won't be able to reflect that as all it measures is input to the first pixel response. The backlight however takes a couple of ms extra to respond, so when local dimming is turned off and you'd measure the actual time it takes from the last state to the next state you're often beyond the time of a single frame, depending on how much of a brightness change the backlight needs to do (check reviews from Monitors Unboxed on more details about that) OLED still has a massive edge up when it comes to pixel response times (again almost instant response with barely any switching time). I wouldn't call them obsolete just because local dimming zones get denser...
My biggest problem with mini-led is just the terrible screen uniformity they tend to have. Apple's displays seem to do well with it but I've seen some truly heinous grey uniformity when looking at mini-led's before. I tend to watch anime and play cartoonish style games so they all have large blocks of solid colours - as such I really can't stand dirty screen effect on any monitor.
With those LG OLED displays the grass isn't greener, too. Many OLED displays, produced in the last few years, still have big visible areas with pink tink, mostly on the left side of the display. It's not less annoying than DSE. So that's a tie...
@@deepblueskyKYeah, I have an LG OLED and gray colors have a huge darker area around the corner. I also have a Samsung Neo QLED (MiniLED) and it seems perfect... curious, the opposite situation of OP (panel lottery at its best lol)
Ive been waiting for mini led for a while. It is very close. I purchased the hisense 100u8k and its pretty amazing for a 100” tv. Thought not a monitor the 144hz refresh and using it as a monitor in the man cave room with pc in use is really fun. It doesn’t have any blooming. Im very impressed with the local dimmer zones of it and the color accuracy after testing with a i1 pro spectrometer. Its been a fun toy to have.
I got the LG 27GR95QE oled a week ago. Before I have been gaming on the LG 27GP850 IPS and an LG C2 65" oled. The new display are both of these combined. There is no denying this is the "end-game" monitor for me. A lot of games have a whole new feeling when playing them, also I do play mostly in a dark room so no backlight-bleed/blooming is something I'm glad the oled is without.
I got the 27GR95QE recently as well. I’ve been pretty happy with it and it’s my first OLED and actually HDR capable monitor. I did notice a dead pixel after a short use though and I’ll be sending it for warranty after the holidays. Another problem that I never had with my IPS is VRR flicker which can be quite annoying sometimes. I would also much prefer glossy coating on the panel and the matte screen coating has a ”grainy” look to it with certain colors.
@@Jza-GZa40k If you meant the VRR gamma flicker, it’s a common issue on OLED monitors AND TV’s. It doesn’t only affect monitors. I think that some VA panels have it too. LG has even addressed it themself. LG has even added a warning in the settings that flickering may occur in certain conditions.
The only benefits with Miniled is overall brightness and not have the risk of it burning it. My pick would still be OLED for now, but would rather hold on until we have Microled wich is basically the best of both worlds since every pixel lights up individually (Just like OLED), but eliminates the risk to burn in and is overall brighter.
I'll be honest, showing off comparisons of monitor types on screen is kind of pointless. Because my eyes will pereive a monitor type differently than a camera, UA-cam compression fucks with the contrast (especially halos around bright objects on Monitors other than OLED), and (most importantly) the output of the Video will be drastically altered based on the Monitor type I'm running. Ultimatly the best thing you can do is to trust multiple good reviewers on their opinion and/or check in a store.
Even today technology is still trying to catch up with some qualities of CRT monitors like zero lag and perfect motion clarity. However I appreciate not having to mess with screen geometry.
When I got my iphone12pm I was excited to try out it's OLED screen. To compare, I viewed the same image on my old iphone7pm beside the new phone. To all intents and purposes, they were identical. There may be some difference in the blacks but I could not tell. Moral of the story... Beware marketing hype!!!
With miniled's virtually unrivalled picture quality (better performance in many scenes), very long lifespan, and, crucially, extra-large size and lower price, I think the market will belong to miniled for some time (until microled prices become accessible to the general public).
Yeah, unrivalled compared to standard LED. OLED is still king in display quality. It's superior contrast and much more vibrant colours beat the bright but washed out miniLED any day.
Just at the 0:43 mark for Sample D, watching on a VA panel I immediately saw the camera capturing the halo around the fruit on the left. Since the rest of the blacks looked good and A and C didn't have this effect it was pretty obvious that D was the Mini LED from this alone. You also need to factor in other aspects that make OLEDs better than LCDs such as superior response times for the OLED which cannot be fixed by introducing dimming zones on the back light. An LCD will always be an LCD.
This. It's oleds are better because it's the much simpler tech, yet delivers better results. No algo for backlight necessary, it's just binary for every pixel. My theory is still that if anything, oleds will get a "brightness boost backlight", but in the end everything will be an oled.
Yoo techless updated his "facial_expressions.exe" looking good! Jokes aside, you seem more natural being in front of a camera now compared to earlier videos. Keep up the good stuff!
I tried Mini LED and maybe it was a crappy version (it's supposed to be HDR1000) but the HDR just wasn't even close when compared to OLED. The picture was very washed out and highlights just weren't being highlighted.
HDR1000 means that the nits capability falls somewhere between 600 and 1000 or so. Probably around 800-900. Any great high-end LED these days reaches 1500+ nits easily. And brightness aside, image quality of these TV's that don't get up to that level is also significantly worse. For me, I don't even have a miniLED. I still have a regular good old LED using FALD. Sony's Z9F. And while my brother's and mother's recent OLEDs definitely have better black levels... the actual image quality is very close and HDR on my TV looks just as impressive for most part. Some things their TV's excel at. Some other things mine excels at. The jump from mid-end to high-end TV is still pretty damn big.
This video is great to show people that you don't have to buy an oled to get a good tv and you can save yourself a lot of money if you don't have a lot to spend. In fact, I just bought a mini LED and in our case it's the best option because we can't get the room dark in summer in the netherlands, a lot of light will be coming in to the room till around 10 PM. We can crank up every light in the room and still burn our retinas out with the tv now, it's amazing! Which also means that even when we use the tv on low brightness we can see beautiful colors during the day and at night.
I don't think people realise the disparity between top-end MiniLED panels and the cheaper ones- the best cheaper MiniLED so far is Acer Nitro XV275K P3, and the best balls to the walls MiniLED monitor right now is still the Odyssey Neo G7. Twice the local dimming zones, twice the brightness and better quality VA panels with much higher native contrast ratio, plus Samsung has a really good local dimming algo that generally doesn't have competition other than from TCL's newer high end MiniLED products in the TV space. So it's not just a question about OLED, WOLED, QD-OLED or MiniLED, you also have to keep in mind that any of these can still be quite mediocre products.
Micro led is the best display technology it has faster response time then OLED and no burn in issues but it's way too expensive to make it and will be always expensive.
Its just LCD tech and its slow compared to OLED. Pixel response is instantly on OLED and no backlight control. Images are refreshed faster where LCD has smearing going on. Always. Regardless of refresh rate. LCD is a dead-end tech. This is why Samsung display stopped making it. they buy 3rd party panels now. Nothing left to invent = Tech is maxed out and OLED (and eventually mLED is the future).
@@Dr.WhetFarts micro led is not mini led micro led's response time is like 0.2ns which is 104 times faster than OLED response time do some research 😁 . Micro LED is the future of display they don't have burn in issues,no low brightness,zero ghosting and most likely zero motion Blur.
I have 2 LG C2's a 77" in our family room and a 48" that I use as my gaming monitor, we also have a 65" Hisense U8H mini LED in our bedroom. I love my C2's I think they are worth every penny I paid for them, that being said the Hisense is the without a doubt the best bang for the buck. The mini LED is so bright, I had to adjust the brightness down, the blacks while not as good as the true black on the C2 is the best I've seen on any other TV. Had I bought the U8H first, I would have bought the largest version for our family room and I wouldn't have regretted it. So take that for what it's worth, if you are looking for value you might want to go with a high-end mini LED, if you are going for the absolute best money can buy then go with the OLED.
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Nah Sampe D being Mini-LED was way too easily noticeable. As there is a good lift in blacks as the transition when it goes from black to milky grey when objects come onto screen is clearly noticeable. And The blooming itself is noticeable. While A and C are perfect blacks.
@@KING_DRANZER Unless all the content you watch is set in Space, you'll rarely notice it in daily use. I much prefer having a brighter image that doesn't burn in, since 90% of the content on my display is near full screen brightness.
@@badpuppy3 Lot many games have dark scenes with bright elements man. But yeah overall brightness is not yet TV levels. This next Gen QD-OLED should be even brighter.
On my LG C2 42", sample B and D stands out, although sample D only looks a little washed out. You probably couldn't tell the difference if you were watching on an LCD...
Qdoled is not really burning in though. Look at rtings longevity test and compare the g3 vs the s95c.
OLED is unquestionably the right choice if you play a lot of Pong.
Nah that burn in would be crazy xD
Man I wish microled was already full mainstream available at cheap prices
in 10 years it will bro
I 'upgraded' from an aw3423dw to a cooler master gp27q after having warranty issues with the QD-OLED. The mini led can show a bit of blooming in the dark scenes which is more noticeable if you view it of axis but the brightness and HDR impact of the mini-led in bright scenes is mind blowing. The brightness, text clarity, HDR impact and no burn in make a compelling case for mini-led especially for a mixed gamming productivity use.
Got the same aw3223dw, what kind of warranty issues did you experience ?
@@maxdubois6385 I got 16:9 burn in from playing a couple of older games with no ultrawide support. when I claimed on the warranty dell UK had none in stock so after a couple of calls they agreed to refund me instead.
@@maxdubois6385 I got AW3423DWF yesterday and I love it.
@@maxdubois6385 I'm curious to this as well , if you buy from Dell you have a fantastic warranty from what I hear its 3 years that includes burn in for no extra cost.
I moved to the Samsung Mini Led g8 after burn in on my QD oled Alienware in only 7 months. QD oled panels just aren't suitable for any long term productivity.
MiniLed just needs more zones. RedMagic just announced a 5000 zone monitor for 2024, its getting there.
Mini led ips lcd with 5088 mini led zones seems like my end game monitor for me, the 4k resolution on 27 inches make everything crystal clear, the 160hz provides buttery smooth, 5088 mini led zones which create minimal blooming and very similar to oled and all that with no risk of burn in for every task you do. Until then we will have to wait for a test for that monitor.
For passive content consumption this is true but for gaming local dimming will add additional processing delay that's absent on an OLED so you'll have to make a pretty big sacrifice there
@@islaymmmim pretty sure techless showed in the video about processing lag 9:48
@@ameserich lol I didn't finish the video. Maybe this ktc model is an outlier or maybe it's improving to a significant degree, but generally speaking processing lag gets longer with local dimming enabled. Refer to HUB and MUB if in doubt
It looks like that the next gen mini-LED wave of TVs and monitors will have 5000 zones!
To make it complete they will come with Quantum Dots too, uhh ohh OLED you better watch out.
I will say I ended up sticking with my LG C2 over the $3000 PA32UCG MINI LED, the contrast and ability to turn off pixels looks better to the eyes than 1700 nit brightness. It took awhile to fully conclude but I have no doubts or regrets
I saw reviews that a Hisense mini-led q-led out performs over the lg C2
The black level matters more than the brightness for HDR gaming. I got a great deal on a 40-inch LG C2 for under 600 dollars, and it looks much better than most 1000-nit monitors I’ve tried.
@@DraconicA5 ineed, it’s crazy on paper but to the eye, so much more pleasing
I think the OLED screens are plenty bright, I have had to squint watching some HDR content on my MacBook Pro with mini led screen (1600nit peak). 800-1000 nit is enough for me. Also anti burn in tech has come so far that it’s not a problem for TVs anymore. If you get enough dimming zones mini-led could be perfect for computers.
My MacBook Pro has 2000 dimming zones on a 14” screen. I do see blooming but only on high contrast hdr footage
You are smoking something to be comparing a middle shelf TV to a pro grade photo processing monitor, two very different things
I bought the G9 neo over an OLED monitor because I usually have bought a monitor and used it for 6-7 years. I got a 3440x1440 back when they were still pretty new in 2015/16 and just upgraded. if I got burn in after 3 years it would kind of ruin the investment for me. besides the upgrade to mini-led was so much better than the regular IPS panel I had before. It was a good panel in 2015, but no HDR or local dimming so blacks were pretty grey.
This is seriously the most underrated channel, amazing work man, i'd love if you could make a video on the current sate of Freesync, gsync, vsync and fast sync and the best case usage for each type.
Samsung just needs to stop sitting on their hands and make micro-led more affordable and mass-producible. Micro led is just better in every way possible compared to any current display tech.
I actually don’t understand how we only have 576 zones in 2023, the technology to shrink these comparatively massive zones seems trivial.
Watching this on an IPS, I liked C better, guessed A and C were OLEDs, didn't know B was VA but def was a backlit screen, D isn't bad, but something on it was kinda off to me.
Can't wait for MicroLED
Oled also has the advantage of ultra low grey-to-grey response times so it virtually has no motion blur, the only two downsides (which also is a doubled edged sword) is the low brightness of oled. If you want more brightness there is a lot more risk of burn in.
When we get between 2 to 8 million dimming zones with mini-LED, OLED will be forgotten and the mini LED will be called micro-LED and youd be hard pressed to find anything better for decades.
I don't think that would be the case, oled still has plenty of advantages over a traditional LCD regardless of how close the back light can get to per pixel dimming. You cannot achieve as high of refresh rates on an LCD compared to an OLED, due to the limitation on the pixel response time. The theoretical max refresh rate on an LCD lies around 600 Hertz, because even the fastest IPS panels that exist cannot change the pixels quick enough to make anything beyond that displayable. Since the pixel response time on an OLED type display is near instant, measuring usually around 1 10th to 1 20th The response time of an LCD, the max displayable refresh rates is in the thousands. As future-proof technology goes, OLED only suffers from degradation and burn, which are solved by micro LED display technologies. Micro LEDs are currently way too expensive, but theoretically can become cheaper to manufacture compared to OLED. The next display boom will be micro LED, the same way OLED currently is, and the same way IPS was.
@@gabrieli6008 Not many will need more than 240 Hz refresh rate, so it is not a big disadvantage.
This is by far the best video I have seen on the subject. Some people think OLED is always better and anything else is so much worse. Mini LED has so much potential, just way more zones and better response times.
OLED's just way overrated. It is the best in most areas at the moment... but only very slightly better than the best LED has to offer. And outside of extreme case scenarios, people won't notice any blooming when just watching movies or playing games. For most part, to even see a difference you'll need to be playing in a very dark room in the first place for most content. And within a few years from now that difference will be signicantly smaller again.
@@thenonexistinghero "OLED's just way overrated. It is the best in most areas at the moment..." - How does that sentence even make sense? You just admitted that OLED is superior and yet at the same time still say it's overrated. You're just being delusional. OLED is superior and will remain superior to miniLED in both contrast and colour vibrancy.
"And within a few years from now that difference will be significantly smaller again" - In those few years, you think OLED will remain stagnant and wait for miniLED to catchup? OLED itself is steadily improving and is getting more efficient and burn-in resistant than before with QD-OLED (and with blue phosphorescent OLEDs on the way) so it only needs to get brighter and be burn-in resistant and OLED will retain its position as the gold standard for displays while miniLED will pretty much remain as entry-level quality display.
The only display tech that'll be able to overthrow OLED is microLED (which is unlikely due to it's FAR more complex issues) and QDEL (Electroluminescent Quantum Dot displays).
@@fidelisitor8953 OLED still has significant burn in issues, which is why Alienware had to start putting 3 year burn in warranties onto their QD-OLED monitors. Mini LED has no burn in issues. The number of dimming zones will keep on going up as the tech matures, while being significantly cheaper than OLED. For productivity Mini LED is superior to OLED. For super bright content Mini LED is superior to OLED.
@BeggProductions Same here. I'm really satisfied with my 65 inch Mini LED. We don't have to deal with wide viewing angles when watching TV so the drawbacks of VA Mini LED panels aren't important to us.
I have a 27” oled sitting right next to a 27” mini led monitor. I 100% agree with everything stated here. High APL games like Spider-Man Miles Morales? I play on my mini led. Low APL games like Resident Evil 2 Remake? I play on my oled.
Also, very glad you highlighted at 3:39 how teeny tiny highlights (0.01% window size?) are far far less bright on mini led displays than oled. It makes a huge difference in hdr impact and cannot be emphasized enough how much of a limitation this is for mini LED monitors and TV’s.
I say the worst cases for mini-LED are star maps or just games with view of the starry sky. Mass Effect's maps looked terrible and even the sky in Terraria looks awful. I've also noticed in some cases to prevent the bloom they sometimes completely crush out stars.
@@Skylancer727 What screen do you have? I really don't have any issues with stars in dark skies or anything like that on my monitor
what is APL?
@@Skylancer727 I have the Samsung Odyssey Neo G7 Mini-LED and I don't have a problem with how the stars look in space themed games like Mass Effect and Starfield. It's fine. I barely even notice any ghosting or blooming.
@@100toeface
APL stands for *Average Picture Level*.
Essentially, APL defines how much of the displayed image is bright versus how much is dark.
Reviewers often use different-sized white windows against a black background to measure APL. Here’s how it works:
- A quarter-sized white box represents a 25% APL.
- Half the screen corresponds to 50% APL.
- A full white screen equals 100% APL.
- Smaller windows (e.g., 1% or 5% APL) simulate small highlight areas.
Super informative video with good comparison and explanation. I probably won't notice the local dimming imperfections because I hate looking at monitor in dark room (most noticeable I think). Mini Led still has rooms for improvement. Hopefully next year, there will be a lot of cheaper options for mini led and oled monitors.
I could easily tell which one is the VA and which one is the Mini LED.
I just had to turn my phone's brightness to max, 2 in the monrning and it feels like someone threw a flashbang at me.
Thanks techless 😁
I'm waiting as the mini-led technology will be more mature with at least 10000 zones on 27" and without flickering problems.
OLED is a NoGo for me as a computer monitor. This technology is great to watch a movie or play a game from time to time but not to work on it 8+ hours per day.
Conclusion: OLED TV - yes sure. OLED PC monitor - hell no.
So basically mini LED needs more dimming zones/ better or more filters.
Not necessarily more dimming zones, it depends on the manufacturer. For TV, Sony with 576 zones is better than Samsung with 1200: ua-cam.com/video/P3r34GFVYos/v-deo.html
5000 zones mini-LED TVs and monitors are already announced this year.
Pretty much the next gen mini-LED models will come around mid 2024.
And they will bring the secret sauce Quantum Dots to battle OLED.
Examples: TCL QD-MiniLED TV X955 (5,184 zones) REDMAGIC 4K 160Hz Mini-LED gaming monitor with 5088 zones.
A year back i got a Samsung Neo G7 which is a 32'' 4k 165hz miniled VA with 1200 dimming zones. And its highlights at certain points reach 2000 nits with HDR on.
HDR looks amazing, i dont have to worry about burnin, its WAAAAAAAAAAY brighter overall compared to an oled panel and its a perfect size and resolution for my use case.
Downsides are... viewing angles are not great, but they arent disgusting either. For me thats not a dealbreaker anyways. I mean i use my monitor head on so yea, got no problems with that.
2nd thing, small bright highlights like dots on pitch black background when local dimming is on, can have a little bit of blooming but thats to be expected with miniled.
All in all iam willing to try gen 3 oleds with the same size and resolution when they release next year but my next monitor will probably be a miniled with ~5000 dimming zones.
i got the neo g8 and feel the same way when i got it i also got a qd-oled at the same time and tested both for a month and kept the better one i didnt like how dim oled was
I went QD-OLED with the alienware some months ago and I will keep using that until microled is in and buyable at a fair price. Oled monitors are decently priced now and I imagine mine will last atleast 5-6 years with little to no burn in as I mainly just use it for gaming and have another monitor for productivity.
We'll probably be having QDEL displays sooner than microLEDs and they're even better.
MicroLED is likely still 10 years out. We haven't remotely solved the problems with it and have had better luck making completely new display types instead. Full emissive QD-OLED is more likely to be close enough to microLED to most and that should come in the next 3-5 years.
Yea, amazon has been having some good sales on oled monitor lately. Sadly, I paid full price for my alienware for being impatient :(
@@Skylancer727 yeah we will see, samsung has already produced microled tv's but they are very expensive and a lot harder to make atm.. This reminds me of what OLED was like 5-6 years ago. Now you can get oled monitors that are priced within 1000 dollars and tv's as well when before the monitors were non existent and the tv's were insanely priced.
@@KingsDR It just means new better versions will most likely be coming out. Looks like alienware will be releasing 4k ones and 32" sizes too.. I could see them going for the 38 or a larger size as well. I have the DWF QOLED from them and love it, 34" is the perfect size for 1440p. Anything less is too small imo, and anything more screws the pixels.
Even if there were infinite dimming zones, the pixel response time will always be superior on OLED.
per pixel dimming with micro leds already is a thing on TVs (microLED) with response times of
@@Goesm Affordable consumer MicroLED is a pipe dream :( It's my pipe dream but still.
I love my Innocn Mini Led Monitor. For under 500$ 4k 27" it's a steal for what i use it for. Which is mostly video editing and content consumption. The dimming zones are definitley noticiable but arent that big of a deal. The image is absolutely beautiful and color accurate. My end game would be this same monitor but with more zones and higher refresh rate. That would be perfect and that future monitor will still probably cost less than 1000$ when it comes out which will be the deciding factor over OLEDs if their prices dont go down.
There's no perfect solutions right now. There's only compromises.
Life is about compromises. If you want the best you'll still have to pay out of your ass for it. There's no instance of getting a perfect product for cheap.
I recognized D as Mini because of the better and brighter colors. Ironically the best of the four in the particular test shown in the intro. Mini certainly has drawbacks but I never see blooming on my 32MV2 outside productivity use (where I can just disable HDR if it bothers me and local dimming goes off with it).
Why people make a big deal out of mini led blooming, when you can mostly see it on test. Not on gameplay
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I just had to take a second to say this video has incredible production quality.
very fair and balanced assessment of the different tech
i love OLED but i find it annoying how some famboys act as if the tech is perfect and all of the downsides were not valid points of criticism
regarding LCDs, they can look great with good blacks during day with lots of ambient light; but i tend to watch movies and game in dimly lit environemnts and thats always where (even good miniLED) LCDs completely fall apart for me
Before the first minute I actually thought the QD-OLED was the miniLED 😂
The only place where mini-LED looks as good as OLEDs is cinematic experience. That also happens to be the only place where OLEDs are least prone to burn in. Mini LEDs are crap in desktop work compared to OLEDs (I speak from experience) - but it is also the most burn in inducing task for OLEDs…
Why can’t we just have the perfect tech?
It seems Micro LED might be as close as we are going to be to a "perfect" monitor tech, but it will most probably make OLED look cheep the first few years. I still want to see what it can do. And on the cost thing I've been wrong before. Before OLED was actually released to customers there was a lot of discussion on manufacturing technology. One was described like a printer technology where the organic materials were printed on plastic film. This was speculated to make OLED manufacture a lot cheaper than TN or IPS screens. Well, that doesn't seem like it ever happened and instead OLED's are pretty expensive.
That's why I use 2 monitors. IPS and miniLED (or OLED).
From my perspective, OLED technology has faced criticism for its susceptibility to burn-in, but it's important to consider the broader context of this issue. Human nature predisposes us to focus more on negative aspects and potential threats, which in this case, amplifies the perceived problem of burn-in with OLED. Moreover, it's worth noting the competitive dynamics in the display market, where LCD manufacturers have a vested interest in highlighting the drawbacks of OLED technology to maintain their market position (against LG and now Samsung).
However, a key point often overlooked is the widespread adoption of OLED screens in smartphones. Despite the fact that most phone displays are OLED, concerns about burn-in are notably absent. This discrepancy is intriguing, especially when considering that, according to recent data, the average person spends around 3 hours and 15 minutes on their phone daily, often interacting with static UI elements - a scenario seemingly ripe for burn-in.
This leads to an interesting observation: the issue of burn-in with OLEDs might be more of a theoretical concern than a practical one. In reality, the average consumer is likely to upgrade their TV or monitor long before any significant burn-in becomes apparent. Thus, while the concern over OLED burn-in isn't unfounded, it is perhaps exaggerated, both due to human psychological tendencies and competitive pressures in the display industry.
Sincerely yours,
a happy owner of LG C8 for 5 years.
The issue is,Apparently samsung had an old oled and it pretty much installed this fear early on back in the day,Now,Tech has advanced and OLED is exceptional and pretty much sorted,Burn in is rare especially in newer models especially what you use it for and what room you stick it in.Apart from that,They are so much superior to any other screen and no screen can come close to its self emitted pixel count,On top of insane contrast and superior movie watching,With game modes that have the fastest input lag you simply can’t get on other TVs.
@@Jza-GZa40k Oled still has a burn in problem
@@michaelandrews4783 FUD - i've used OLED screens exclusively since 2015, for TV and multiple computer/laptop screens that i use for 8+ hours a day. Never have i encountered any form of burn-in or retention effects. The last time i saw any burn-in was on my first-gen HTC Desire (Amoled) phone in 2012, well over a decade ago.
I got burn in on my phone
Learn to talk properly, my man. 😂
mini-LED is ramping up in zones amounts, 27" 4K 5000 zones monitors are already announced.
384 zones mini-LED monitors are just the first gen, next gen is almost here and 2024 will be a battle vs OLED and mini-LED.
they better hurry up, i am using the 14" 10k dimming zones 1600nits HDR display from my mbp for 3 years now. I need something way bigger badly, but i am unwilling to spent a lot of money for something thats not even in the ballpark.
Oled is just not a suitable option for anyone in my position: 8 hour work days 5 times a week in mostly static image setting, and 4-5 hours of gaming per week. Mini led IPS is an obvious choice and I am more than happy with the GP27Q
I had a Samsung Neo G7 and I loved and hated it in equal measure. Strongly dislike the curve, which as a monitor for productivity and graphic design, made it very difficult to really have an understanding of how my image was actually look on a flat screen.
Blooming is a massive issue. What good is contrast if scenes with challenging white and black differences become a chore for the dimmng algorithm to make sense of?
I made the mistake of watching The Expanse on my Neo G7 thinking that those inky blacks of space would look so great, and it was a horrible experience. Small bright spots, even with 1100+ dimming zones would blow out the surrounding darkness, making it every bit as noticable as backlight bleed or VA "smear".
Also, because color accuracy often degrades when dimming and HDR are turned on, i would often leave these off for desktop use and it made me feel like a fool.
The ultimate goal for a monitor in my eyes is to be absolutely a swiss army knife. If i have to baby it or finangle with the settings for every single use case, it becomes an annoyance.
Improved zone counts will help, but mini led still relies on hdr to look good, whereas a bunch of the OLEDs I've used look great no matter what you throw at them.
Im not gonna lie, there is way too much distortion in this video to even tell the differences in black, not even the oleds are coming up as black in the video
Viewing from my own oled
I hope UA-cam will process this video in AV1 soon. The default VP9 codec unfortunately causes lots of artefacts.
Ahh that makes alot more sense as to why its so much more distorted then usual
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Could you do a comparison between the KTC M2T20 and the AOC Q27G3XMN with response time performance at 120 and 60 hertz. Both are 27 inch QHD mini LED, would like to see which is best. Thanks
Atm it looks like Mini LED is sort of a transitional technology. The problem for OLED is the O part. The organic compounds degrade too fast. The question is how much they can improve that. But there are other factors to consider. The reason why OLED is a thing is because conventional LEDs cant be manufactured small enough to be used as individual pixels. The reason why I said Mini LED is sort of a transitional technology is because technically if you can make regular LEDs small enough they can be used the same way as OLEDs but technically it could be regarded as Mini LED. Currently the holy grail would be RGB coloured LEDs in Pixel size.
The problem with mini LED is that it shifts color, particularly skin tones, in dark mode. It's essentially unusable. OLED is the future, but their really need to fix the problem with burn-in and color fringing on text. As is, it cannot be used for productivity, which is what most people need monitors for, by the way.
I could easily tell that sample A and sample C were OLED monitors at 720p youtube quality and 2% monitor brightness. For some people Mini-LED might suffice but after my LG C2 there's no way in hell I'm letting my next monitor be anything other than a glossy OLED. Only problem I can think of is text rendering but that is fixable to some degree, I believe.
OLED monitors cost more and LG OLED tvs have no displayport. OLEDs also still have burn in issues, which is why Alienware has a 3 year burn in warranty because they know the issue still persists.
Mini LED was created as an alternative to OLED, with similar dimming tech but without the burn in issues. The final version will be Micro LED but that's still some time away.
I've seen burn in on OLED. Definitely a no-no for me.
I was able to tell that sample D was the mini led, though I am watching on a shitty LCD phone, so take everything I say with a grain of Halite. 0:11 Panel D stuck out, as the grapes looked a lot greener than for panel C, and oleds are able to nail golden shades better. 0:14 Also the honey was a lot brighter, so that is another potential giveaway.
I've been using the LG 27GS95QE for about 6 months and I am sick of the terrible sharpness, so I got my self a 4K mini led with 1100+ zones. It saved me!
Curious if Oled is more energy efficient thanks to it's ability to not turn on individual pixels (in addition to having lower Nit brightness capabilities)
It is unquestionably worse, however it’s a clear improvement. It can’t ever match contrast and black levels due to how it works though.
The power of having an ultrawide from 2015 is that basically anything of decent quality these days looks better. I love my ultrawide, it's color accurate and great for my work. But I still bought one of the new faster VA panels with less "smear" (I can't really tell unless I push the worst conditions) and with mini-led local dimming zones, that again, unless I'm boosting brightness and really looking for the blooming and stuff, it's perfectly fine. To be fair, I'm not the best critic, I'm perfectly fine with the backlight bleed/blooming of this old IPS panel.
I even find the VA panel accurate enough/good enough for editing most of the time (27 inch display, if you're at the right viewing distance, and generally the center of the screen is where the image for editng is, I don't really notice much of an issue, def not on the level of "IMPOSSIBLE TO USE, TERRIBLE" that influencers/reviewers cry). I run both displays as dual monitors, so I can just use the ultrawide for color critical work and have fun with the other panel. No risk of burn in (which would 100% happens with all the static elements that are open in my workflow) and it was pretty cheap. When microLEDs aren't 2 fortunes to buy, I'll go with that. I see OLED as being basically the same as Plasma for displays. Looks great, but way too many downsides and an obvious stepping stone to a much better solution.
Its tricky, I would like to use OLED, because its faster for gaming. If Mini-LED becomes so good, that there is no percievable difference with blooming, it will be the new default. Hopefully Mini-LED can keep up with the Refreshrates.
I so wish Sony does their thing again...
Their Sony INZONE M9 only had 96 zones and still did insane well for what it had to work with.
Give them 1000 to 5000 zones, I bet they can pull it off to be called* "OLED monitors" in normal day to day content!
Rubbish!
Micro LED is "end game", but it will take years until it's affordable to mere humans.
Newer generation of OLED TVs are cheaper than ever and less prone to burn-in. They should last for at least 5-10 years, unless use case scenario is extreme.
Basically, as long as you don't use OLED for work 24/7, you're most likely perfectly good to go. I believe 2 or 3 OLEDs, from this point of time, should last you long enough until micro led is wide spread.
Mini LEDs are not bad though. They are more than decent solution for anyone who needs to use TV as a monitor day in - day out. Their weakest point, imho, is subtitle blooming (for people that often use subtitles, which is about everybody except natives from USA, UK and Australia).
For ultra high-end products I think it would make more sense to make a Dual-Layer QD- LCD than a Mini-LED. Yeah, it maybe won't compete in peak-brightness segment, but it would have pixel-level dimming and OLED-like contrast, so it wouldn't need to anyway. Also it would have sustained brightness level, without ABL dimming, pixel shifting, burn-in risk and blooming. The reason MicroLED is so expensive is because they can't make the actual diodes small enough to be used on regular-sized TVs, let alone Monitors. Also they still create them individually and use pick-and-place manufacturing process, which is an extremely inefficient process compared to inkJet printing, or even vapor deposition process for OLED panels. Not to mention the diode failure rate is extremely high, too. So we definitely won't see MicroLED come to the commercial TV/Monitor market anytime soon, if ever. But a Dual-Layer LCD is a well-known tech which can rival, or even surpass OLED in the high-end market.
Mini LED will eventually become the defacto choice for PC users wanting a good HDR experience, burn in on the OLEDs have slowly become less of a factor but it's a factor that will always exist due to the nature of the technology.
burn in on OLEDs has become less of a factor FOR TVs... for monitors it'll certainly come and FAST.
I’m just playing the waiting game. I’ve determined OLED isn’t ideal for my use case but we just need more 1440p Mini LED options with 240hz refresh rates.
I won't be getting either Mini LED or OLED. But currently, I've been struggling with trying to decide between several brands of monitors and have yet to figure out which to get. The specs I'm looking for are:
32"
UHD [4K]
IPS
144hz ^
I've looked at LG, ASUS, DELL, and Samsung...and have no idea which way to go. I currently have an LG 32" 4K IPS monitor, but it is the 60hz model. Been thinking that upping the hz would be good, but when these monitors are so expensive, I've had a hard time deciding what to do.
What would you your advice?
Anyone?
@techlessYT
You didn't mention your use case
@@0hMyGandhi Gaming, mostly. 4K Youtue [as it does make a different between 4K and 1440]. I play games like Ghostwire Tokyo, Fortnite, Genshin Impact, Modded Skyrim,...things like that.
Thanks, if you can offer advice on which brand/model.
Gigabyte m32u, or MSI MPG321UR-qd if you can spring it, quantum dots really do help with colors, 85% coverage of rec.2020!
@@Zicrixdoesart I appreciate the input. 🙂
M32P10 has 1152 dimming zones which is more than double, so I bet it's getting into imperceivable territory if larger bright objects are already hard to distinguish between mini-LED and OLED.
But the M32P10 is IPS. It'll have smaller sections of blooming, but they'll be much more jarring. Mini-LED only makes sense with IPS monitors if we're talking several thousand zones. If you want to get by with 500-1000, it'd better be a good quality VA (which is what most brands do on their TV's).
@@phahq I bought the M32P10 and it arrived yesterday. I can tell you the only time I ever notice the blooming is when using the desktop or looking at a browser. All other content I don't see any blooming whatsoever. It's very noticeable at an angle, but IPS are made to be looked directly at anyway. So if you want a budget HDR setup, I highly recommend it!
@@Zadrave
Yeah, I understand the point of view. In actual content, with the exception of starry skies and that sort of thing, the HDR on 1000-zone IPS is pretty good. I don't disagree. But I'm the "see it once and can't unsee it" kind of person.
Don't get me wrong, I'd totally be down for a 2000+ zone IPS, as I still much prefer their presentation over VA (better viewing angles and more consistent transitions for all RGB levels). But, at 1000 zones, it has to be VA for me, LCD wise. Though, truthfully, a TV like the S90C is bright enough in HDR to hold me over till better LCD or microLED tech comes along.
Well, it's not just dimming zones that matter. Also the dimming algorhythm. Sony TV's have the best one and it shows since their do have a pretty low zone count.
Me avoiding oled because of burn in :
Also me 1 year after I bought a VA panel and I see my whole taskbar printed on it : 👁👄👁
Does va have burn in?
@@yeyeman6569 Yup at least mine has some noticeable burn in
@@retrofizz727 pretty sure thats not normal i have only heard of oled burn in
@@yeyeman6569 From what I’ve seen online it’s possible with VA. Such a horrible panel type ngl, I regret picking this monitor
@@retrofizz727 I aggree honestly, i actually just returned the Samsung odyssey g5 27inch VA monitor, and sure the contrast is good and colours are pretty vibrant, still even high end VA's suffer from pixel overshooting, black smearing and in general poor color accuracy, so I switched to a nano ips monitor which has almost perfect movement.
@1:15 do you have the examples mixed up? The one on the right looks better to my eyes.
Pros and cons to every monitor just gotta pick the one that aligns with what you’re willing to live with.
great knowledgeable video, what monitors do you personally use?
Thanks! I'm basically using whatever I'm reviewing at the moment. But I'm also trying to get as many hours as possible on the LG OLED to see if it will burn in (and I also really enjoy it a lot for gaming and content consumption).
my whole thing is motion blur as it helps me a lot. Over a year or so ago you did a review on the ex2510, and I bought it instantly coming from a 60hz benq. Now i want to upgrade again and idk if i want to save up for the ex2710qm or just pull the trigger on the xl2566k.. 🤔@@techlessYT
@@techlessYTThats great, so now it going with that? And what LG OLED model is that? Aru u usi it like a monitor or tv?
Sorry ... i made a mistake where to comment... not ment to you... but any way, hos you do with the burn in testing? I cant made a decition what tv to buy (QLED/QNED or OLED) for PC monitor use too.... 40% drawing and surfing, and 40% movies, and rest is pleasure.. :D
Personally I prefer the brightness of mini led over the absolute blacks of oled. I actually like to see when I'm playing and not be in complete darkness. Most games I feel the need to up the gamma on anyways. Also oled is like double the price of mini led. The mini led's colors are pretty close in vibrancy to oled to my eyes. Especially when comparing to non mini led and non oled monitors. I also like to have my monitors/tv's last more than 3-5 years. I used to have a plasma TV and burn in was a really bad issue. I know burn in on oled can be reduced or fixed but it basically is reducing the blues overtime. Also the organic nature of oled means it won't last as long. TV and monitor technology is getting so advanced we won't really need anything new for a very long time. Once you get 4k 144hz with vrr your pretty much set for life. The only other thing I'd like is the variable resolution tech that allows you to have native 4k and 1080p on the same display. But I doubt that will come to tv's and I use large displays. Micro led will be superior to anything we have now but it won't be affordable for over a decade. Rumors suggest that 2024 will have better mini led and oled tech but we will have to see. Unless gpus get cheaper and still get better at 4k gaming, I might just have to go back to 1080p 😭
In the first few seconds the contest was over for me. Mini LED had vibrancy. Sample C was very poor indeed. I can see where there are areas that OLED does have an advantage but that saturation and vibrancy of the Mini LED just stood out with more of a wow factor.
It really just depends on the kind of content. A very dark city with lights or space or something look better on an OLED. But stuff like CG movies and other content that is generally just pretty bright and vivid looks better on MiniLED. Heck, I would say for the majority of content it looks better.
@@thenonexistingheroJust because it’s bright doesn’t mean it’s better,OLED has superior contrast and black uniformity levels which are just as important.
As someone who owns high end models representing both techs I'll say 1200 zone Mini-LED looks very impressive, amazing even.. but >95% of the time the OLED looks at least slightly better or a lot better.
It is the purists choice.
No Mini-LED display is going to produce better color than an QD-OLED display. I have one of each side by side with me and the difference on the same content EVERYTIME cannot be understated. Mini-LED with Quantum Dot is great, don’t get me wrong. But it ain’t gonna EVER better color wise than QD-OLED. Against W-OLED it’s a little closer but even then overall the picture quality is incomparable.
I think MicroLED technology will be far superior to both LCD and OLED display types currently available.
Definitely. Will also take about 5-10 years before actually becoming affordable sadly (as in, affordable for the high-end TV market that can drop $10-$12K on a TV).
hilarious
@@trihard42069 - He's right. You may be confusing MicroLED for MiniLED. Micro has all the benefits of OLED with none of the downsides, well other than cost but it should come down in a decade or so like OLED did.
@@PartStupid pixel respone time, motion blur, never hitting absolute black, will still bloom what are you on about
individually lit = more dead pixels
burn in = barely relevant in modern oleds even with high usage
Only upside is being barely brighter than qd-oled lol. Unaffordable and will be for 10 years and the pixels are huge so you need an 80 inch anyways just for good clarity. Can go on and on @@PartStupid
I bought an OLED 5 years ago and replaced it a few months ago because the burn in was getting very noticeable even when viewing regular content. I could see burn-in after 2 - 3 years with solid color backgrounds, but it wasn't distracting like it is now. I replaced it with an QLED TV with local dimming zones and I am quite happy with it. It doesn't have the same black levels and the colors don't pop quite as much as the OLED, but at about 1/3rd of the cost, it was a good trade-off. I will never buy an OLED again until they can guarantee their panels will not have burn in for 10 years (and have it covered by the warranty), which I doubt will ever happen. If I am spending close to $2k for a 55" TV, I don't want the picture to start degrading after just a few years.
I mean you’re basing your decision off a 5 year old panel. Newer panels get brighter and burn in far less.
What are the newer panels going to look like in 5 years then?
im swapping to Mini LED. I love my OLED and it looks insane but I now use my desktop for other apps and not pure gaming anymore but still want that HDR experience on the games I do own with HDR support. Burn in is seriously still an issue and RTings new vid prove it, especially for QD OLED and QD OLED monitors like I have. Looking at on with 1152 zones.
You are welcome!!
Check samsung odyssey neo g8. Its 4k VA with 1126 diming zones. Refresh is 240 and its a beast for gaming.
But!!! Its extreme curved, not sure if you like curve or not, but even if you like curved monitors, this is 1000R. Well, you will get used to it and wont pay attention after a week
@@Yuu_Tuub I went and got the AOC 34 Mini led. So far been pretty impressed with it
@@Yuu_Tuubcame back to OLED. Not sure if it's that specific panel but highlights really do not pop. Full screen and larger stuff looks insane... Seriously impressive. But highlights do not get bright at all. Guess I stick with my old trusty 16:9 for everything else.
You can´t beat an OLED. The Mini LED makes compromises. @@lilpain1997
@@Yuu_Tuubva is not a real option in 2023, unless like you’re a professional gamer and it provides better gaming or something l.
Monitor A looked neutral, B had backlight and a bit oversaturated, C was undersaturated and D was also oversaturated but without easy to see backligth. From there, I was guessing each correctly, but I think if A, B and D were callibrated to have identical colors, telling A from D might be difficult.
Looking more closely, there also seems to be some aliasing, especially for monitors A and C, indicating that they may be 1440p vs 4k for D.
The difference in aliasing is probably caused by how the camera sensor pixel layout (X-Trans) interacts with the different pixel layouts. It's the newest gen triangular RGB for A, and WRGB for C and regular RGB stripe for B and D. All of them have basically the same pixel density.
The oled black crush in the first couple seconds practically deleting some of the cherrys. Oleds are great but they def have drawbacks too
They're all getting there. We aren't far from almost perfect displays
The answer is YES, mini-LED is worse in so many areas than OLED. Instead of worrying about theoretical shortcomings such as burn-in (that thing CRTs also deal with), which I have never experienced in over ten years of using the tech, and is mostly used by competitors to bash the far superior competition, you should focus on the realities in front of you. Mini-LED is just a stopgap technology, made by companies like BOE who haven't been able to come close to or steal the OLED tech from LG and Samsung. (And yes, there are several high profile cases of presumably BOE buying off Samsung employees to steal their OLED tech. Who knows how much was stolen, but even still, it hasn't been enough to make them a reliable OLED panel maker. Their panels exist in cheaper Chinese phones, but Apple has rejected them multiple times as a supplier for lacking quality and not meeting specifications.) Samsung decided to go full ham in the computing space a couple years back, unfortunately right after Apple decided to use mini-LED tech in their Macbooks and iPads. OLED did exist earlier in laptops, but they were always garbage tier in comparison to the OLEDs in phones. However, it's a completely different story now after Samsung finally became serious. They are almost comparable to the latest flagship phone OLEDs now, and can reach over 500nits in SDR (even higher in HDR) and up to 240hz. The prices have also come way down, with $600 laptops getting OLED panels now. Apple is rumored to be transitioning their iPads to OLED in 2024, another blow to the shortlived mini-LED tech, which were always just a stopgap measure and trying to eke out the last remaining life out of the aging LCD tech. The Macbooks will come next. I guess it lasted longer than NFTs. It's really stupid to buy a mini-LED display right now. They have no future. There's a good Digital Trends video talking about mini-LED and it's blooming and dimming zone issues. The zones have already reached their limit. Any further advancements in increasing zone count will be cost prohibitive, and there is no way to fully isolate backlight bleeding into other zones no matter how many zones you make. Don't even bother with it. One less thing to think about. Just buy an OLED and be happy.
Mini Led is better for PC monitors, OLED is better for TV's
oled is excellent technology. nearly perfect in every aspect. the only deterrent is the overblown concern of burning in, which is practically not an issue in most usage cases. oled will not be easily dethroned.
As someone who oddly prefers miniled I will say burn in risk is overated on current oled displays. I did have a Samsung s7 that experienced burning from watching UA-cam videos but current displays have developed ways to minimize risk of burn in. So much so that a UA-cam burn in test of the OLED Nintendo switch have set on a single screen for over a year with no real sign of burn in
It's still a dice roll tbh. People were saying burn in was "a thing of the past" when I got mine, so I expected it to last longer than just a few years. It's so freeing not having to worry about it anymore...
minimize risk vs no risk at all - the best bet is to grab mini led and use that till micro led is actually affordable.
It's not even close to being overrated, it's still very much a thing.
They only counter the problem by changing voltage on the pixels. Like, when there is degradation on a field of pixels, they just dimm all the pixels around it. Burn In still happens it is only hidden, and once a certain treshhold is reached where further dimming isn't possible, ALL that accumulated damage will quickly appear.
I will answer it before watching. In perfect contidion oled will be better. But in a bright room with natural light there will be no siginicant difference, except the fact you will get a way brighter display from mini leds. Now if you are a pro oleds do have a better response times but for general use. This also depends on the refresh rate of the mini led panel as for example 540hz TN from Asus is generally better than current oleds in motion clarity.
To say the Mini LED is worse than OLED isn't really an argument (I'm not saying this video is useless, but it's very informative).
Mini LED is meant to be a product in between regular LCD and OLED. Sort of like 'OLED quality at an LCD price' kinda marketing.
I have the KTC 27" miniLED monitor and i am totally satisfied. Great brightness 🔅 (its really bright) and no tearing anymore. Perfect for gaming and regular use. Its half the price of an OLED monitor. OLEDs are flickering in dark areas if you game 🎮
Mico led will make OLED obsolete, but that's still a few years to a decade away. Monitors with >2000 zones already close the gap extremely well and great for monitors due to no worry about burn-in. I do too much productivity work to have an OLED for a monitor, so the PG32UQX works well for me. I really want a mini-led ultrawide ips, but for some reason that is taking forever to come out.
With the upcoming technology upgrades coming to OLED it won't become obsolete anytime soon infact OLED will be the way to go in the future
@@pjotrnygard1447 organics will always suffer degradation.
The fact that Apple swears on Mini LED shows that Mini LED is superior.
11:50 the pixel size local dimming is basically micro led
When i listen to you and read the comments i have to say that many people dont get the whole point.
Look at Sony‘s „cheap“ MiniLed TVs, they are significantly better than the competition who have way more dimming zones.
You need so much experience and the actual technology to control all those dimming zones in milliseconds. Thats why even Sonys cheaper MiniLed TVs surpass the competition who simply lack the sophisticated tech to control all the lights.
Regarding the question you posed at the end: it is my personal believe that once QDEL (Quantum Dot Electro Luminescence) actually becomes viable to mass-produce, it's going to quickly displace all existing panel technologies on the market. It has basically all the benefits of QD-OLED, but without the burn-in issues. Plus, if Sharp and Nanosys are to be believed, it should be as easy and as cheap to produce as existing LCD panels, no specialized equipment needed...
And to go a little bit in the beginning, where you mentioned it's pretty hard to identify each of the 4 panel types: If you know what to look for you can tell them apart.
There was barely any blooming on the MiniLED panel, but if one looks close enough it can be spotted, the VA panel without local dimming is (as you mentioned) very obvious and from the remaining two, it's a matter of elimination. QD-OLED has way superior yellows over WOLED, so it was pretty easy to tell which of the 3 with perfect blacks was the WOLED :D
That depends, the panel used wasn't even close to the max amount of dimming zones available (1152 is affordable now) with 2000+ and some future ones promising even upwards of 5000. With numbers like that even a trained eye won't be able to spot the difference which will make OLED obsolete since it not only struggles with burn-in but high price and lower brightness as well.
@@anitaremenarova6662 One problem you have with local dimming tho is wonky pixel switching times. A test like Nvidia's LDAT won't be able to reflect that as all it measures is input to the first pixel response. The backlight however takes a couple of ms extra to respond, so when local dimming is turned off and you'd measure the actual time it takes from the last state to the next state you're often beyond the time of a single frame, depending on how much of a brightness change the backlight needs to do (check reviews from Monitors Unboxed on more details about that)
OLED still has a massive edge up when it comes to pixel response times (again almost instant response with barely any switching time). I wouldn't call them obsolete just because local dimming zones get denser...
still waiting for those microLED displays.
My biggest problem with mini-led is just the terrible screen uniformity they tend to have. Apple's displays seem to do well with it but I've seen some truly heinous grey uniformity when looking at mini-led's before. I tend to watch anime and play cartoonish style games so they all have large blocks of solid colours - as such I really can't stand dirty screen effect on any monitor.
With those LG OLED displays the grass isn't greener, too. Many OLED displays, produced in the last few years, still have big visible areas with pink tink, mostly on the left side of the display. It's not less annoying than DSE. So that's a tie...
@@deepblueskyK That’s why you buy a Panasonic or an Sony.
@@Jza-GZa40k I returned a Pany LZ 1500 bc of severe pink tint after two weeks. Panasonic uses LG panels, too.
@@deepblueskyKYeah, I have an LG OLED and gray colors have a huge darker area around the corner.
I also have a Samsung Neo QLED (MiniLED) and it seems perfect... curious, the opposite situation of OP (panel lottery at its best lol)
Oled's durability is very bad, it's expensive, but it's easy to have problems... Like striped screens and burn in...
Ive been waiting for mini led for a while. It is very close. I purchased the hisense 100u8k and its pretty amazing for a 100” tv. Thought not a monitor the 144hz refresh and using it as a monitor in the man cave room with pc in use is really fun. It doesn’t have any blooming. Im very impressed with the local dimmer zones of it and the color accuracy after testing with a i1 pro spectrometer. Its been a fun toy to have.
@techless What’s the best monitor for competitive console gaming on ps5?
I got the LG 27GR95QE oled a week ago.
Before I have been gaming on the LG 27GP850 IPS and an LG C2 65" oled. The new display are both of these combined.
There is no denying this is the "end-game" monitor for me. A lot of games have a whole new feeling when playing them, also I do play mostly in a dark room so no backlight-bleed/blooming is something I'm glad the oled is without.
I got the 27GR95QE recently as well. I’ve been pretty happy with it and it’s my first OLED and actually HDR capable monitor. I did notice a dead pixel after a short use though and I’ll be sending it for warranty after the holidays. Another problem that I never had with my IPS is VRR flicker which can be quite annoying sometimes. I would also much prefer glossy coating on the panel and the matte screen coating has a ”grainy” look to it with certain colors.
@@Simon_Denmark Could be the nature of a dodgy computer monitor,TVs don’t have this issue so it’s still in its infancy for sure
@@Jza-GZa40k If you meant the VRR gamma flicker, it’s a common issue on OLED monitors AND TV’s. It doesn’t only affect monitors. I think that some VA panels have it too. LG has even addressed it themself. LG has even added a warning in the settings that flickering may occur in certain conditions.
The only benefits with Miniled is overall brightness and not have the risk of it burning it. My pick would still be OLED for now, but would rather hold on until we have Microled wich is basically the best of both worlds since every pixel lights up individually (Just like OLED), but eliminates the risk to burn in and is overall brighter.
I'll be honest, showing off comparisons of monitor types on screen is kind of pointless. Because my eyes will pereive a monitor type differently than a camera, UA-cam compression fucks with the contrast (especially halos around bright objects on Monitors other than OLED), and (most importantly) the output of the Video will be drastically altered based on the Monitor type I'm running. Ultimatly the best thing you can do is to trust multiple good reviewers on their opinion and/or check in a store.
Is there any miniLED monitor with glossy finish?
Even today technology is still trying to catch up with some qualities of CRT monitors like zero lag and perfect motion clarity. However I appreciate not having to mess with screen geometry.
When I got my iphone12pm I was excited to try out it's OLED screen. To compare, I viewed the same image on my old iphone7pm beside the new phone. To all intents and purposes, they were identical.
There may be some difference in the blacks but I could not tell.
Moral of the story...
Beware marketing hype!!!
With miniled's virtually unrivalled picture quality (better performance in many scenes), very long lifespan, and, crucially, extra-large size and lower price, I think the market will belong to miniled for some time (until microled prices become accessible to the general public).
Unrivalled compared to what? Non mini led IPS and va and tn panels or?
Yeah, unrivalled compared to standard LED. OLED is still king in display quality. It's superior contrast and much more vibrant colours beat the bright but washed out miniLED any day.
Just at the 0:43 mark for Sample D, watching on a VA panel I immediately saw the camera capturing the halo around the fruit on the left. Since the rest of the blacks looked good and A and C didn't have this effect it was pretty obvious that D was the Mini LED from this alone.
You also need to factor in other aspects that make OLEDs better than LCDs such as superior response times for the OLED which cannot be fixed by introducing dimming zones on the back light. An LCD will always be an LCD.
This. It's oleds are better because it's the much simpler tech, yet delivers better results. No algo for backlight necessary, it's just binary for every pixel. My theory is still that if anything, oleds will get a "brightness boost backlight", but in the end everything will be an oled.
I just got the ktc H27T22 but seeing all these sales making me think i picked wrong anyone have any better recommendations ?
Yoo techless updated his "facial_expressions.exe" looking good!
Jokes aside, you seem more natural being in front of a camera now compared to earlier videos. Keep up the good stuff!
I'd choose mini led over OLED because it doesn't (always) have PWM, and therefor has less eye strain
I tried Mini LED and maybe it was a crappy version (it's supposed to be HDR1000) but the HDR just wasn't even close when compared to OLED. The picture was very washed out and highlights just weren't being highlighted.
HDR1000 means that the nits capability falls somewhere between 600 and 1000 or so. Probably around 800-900. Any great high-end LED these days reaches 1500+ nits easily. And brightness aside, image quality of these TV's that don't get up to that level is also significantly worse.
For me, I don't even have a miniLED. I still have a regular good old LED using FALD. Sony's Z9F. And while my brother's and mother's recent OLEDs definitely have better black levels... the actual image quality is very close and HDR on my TV looks just as impressive for most part. Some things their TV's excel at. Some other things mine excels at. The jump from mid-end to high-end TV is still pretty damn big.
I will never buy an OLED. I leave my computer on for hours on end and i will not risk the burn in
When/if mini led amount grows for computer monitors I’ll take it over oled any day.
This video is great to show people that you don't have to buy an oled to get a good tv and you can save yourself a lot of money if you don't have a lot to spend. In fact, I just bought a mini LED and in our case it's the best option because we can't get the room dark in summer in the netherlands, a lot of light will be coming in to the room till around 10 PM. We can crank up every light in the room and still burn our retinas out with the tv now, it's amazing! Which also means that even when we use the tv on low brightness we can see beautiful colors during the day and at night.
I don't think people realise the disparity between top-end MiniLED panels and the cheaper ones- the best cheaper MiniLED so far is Acer Nitro XV275K P3, and the best balls to the walls MiniLED monitor right now is still the Odyssey Neo G7. Twice the local dimming zones, twice the brightness and better quality VA panels with much higher native contrast ratio, plus Samsung has a really good local dimming algo that generally doesn't have competition other than from TCL's newer high end MiniLED products in the TV space.
So it's not just a question about OLED, WOLED, QD-OLED or MiniLED, you also have to keep in mind that any of these can still be quite mediocre products.
Micro led is the best display technology it has faster response time then OLED and no burn in issues but it's way too expensive to make it and will be always expensive.
Its just LCD tech and its slow compared to OLED. Pixel response is instantly on OLED and no backlight control. Images are refreshed faster where LCD has smearing going on. Always. Regardless of refresh rate. LCD is a dead-end tech. This is why Samsung display stopped making it. they buy 3rd party panels now. Nothing left to invent = Tech is maxed out and OLED (and eventually mLED is the future).
@@Dr.WhetFarts micro led is not mini led micro led's response time is like 0.2ns which is 104 times faster than OLED response time do some research 😁 . Micro LED is the future of display they don't have burn in issues,no low brightness,zero ghosting and most likely zero motion Blur.
I have 2 LG C2's a 77" in our family room and a 48" that I use as my gaming monitor, we also have a 65" Hisense U8H mini LED in our bedroom. I love my C2's I think they are worth every penny I paid for them, that being said the Hisense is the without a doubt the best bang for the buck. The mini LED is so bright, I had to adjust the brightness down, the blacks while not as good as the true black on the C2 is the best I've seen on any other TV. Had I bought the U8H first, I would have bought the largest version for our family room and I wouldn't have regretted it. So take that for what it's worth, if you are looking for value you might want to go with a high-end mini LED, if you are going for the absolute best money can buy then go with the OLED.