11:39 this might be nit picking, but it's probably worth pointing out that the only modern operating system that does subpixel rendering, without supporting arbitrary subpixel arrangements is Windows. This is subpixel rendering issue is not an issue on Linux, MacOS, or Android. There really should be some pressure on Microsoft to fix their obsolete text rendering system as it's not really the monitor manufacturers' fault.
if they had to bring OS context yes, its windows specific issue, but they would also have to mention that by default, most linux distros don't support HDR, which would kinda ruin one of the biggest selling points on using an OLED monitor. HDR on linux is pretty bleeding edge
@@5poolcatrush Enough time hasn't passed yet for anyone to know burn-in performance. The monitors just launched. All we can estimate is based on how long each manufacturer's warranty is. You also can't judge color accuracy through a UA-cam video. Manufacturer default calibration is at play, as well as color temperature.
@@BananaKyat burn-in is the only thing that stops me from buying oled, i dont game much but i dont want my job/hobby software UI or windows icons and taskbar to be imprinted into display when after a work day i'll decide to watch a movie lets say. That thing alone makes whole review and choice pointless. About white balance, youtube video is enough to tell that these 2 have a clear difference meaning at least one of them is wrong. My job involves work with colors and from my expertise i can say that is the warm one. And this problem cannot be fixed with manual calibration only coped by os or gpu driver crutches, it will not change actual white balance of the panel just add a compensative software tint that will result inaccurate colors anyway. Probably that is some monitor settings problem but i doubt Tim would do such mistake.
@5poolcatrush the longitivity tests look pretty good for the qd oled monitors on rtings. Sitting at 6000 hours without any burn in or noticable drop in peak brightness. Just choose a manufacturer with a clear 3 year warranty that includes screen burn. I bought one last week and whilst already having a qd oled tv, sitting close to a monitor seems to be an even bigger difference. I don't think I can go back to VA or IPS 😅
@@5poolcatrush Are you sure? Did the camera used accurately record to video editing that preserved and got accurately transmitted by UA-cam to arrive at your monitor where it was then accurately displayed? (No way in hell). Is your monitor even color calibrated, and recently? No, it is factory stock or some random preprogrammed setting right? People are very sure they see accurate video. People in the industry know that this is not the case. Many color choices were made on the way to your screen. If you are on a 2k SDR monitor, would you expect accurate video of a 4k HDR monitor? Laws of Physics impossible right? On my monitor, I use the LG 42" C3 evo 4K OLED, the text comparisons favored the WOLED. I could not see what he was seeing. The color banding looked grotesque on the QD OLED, as displayed on my monitor. The shadowing on the WOLED barely noticeable as zoomed in. Does that mean that holds on the actual monitors? No. Odds are he is correct. Plus or minus differences in how our vision works of course. That is not the same across people and or ages.
@@rundown132Its not enthusiasts. You have no slightest idea how contrast is impacting overall image. How it looks deep and rich with detail shadows and oled brings that on top of that a NO GHOSTING at all!
Thank god I found this video! Been looking to replace my Acer Predator IPS monitor for months now and I can't decide between panel types due to the lack of comparison like this one. For me I will be getting a QD-OLED monitor. Thanks again Unboxed team!!🙏
Why only 32'' tho ? The LG CX 48 is available since years now and it's a REALLY great OLED TV for PC. I have the 65'' myself and I only use it for PC gaming and it's reaaally awesome. Way better than a 32'', really. Of course there is better choice than the CX nowadays.
The color fringing on QDOLED looks horrendous. I definitely agree more with Optimum Tech on which panel tech is superior. WOLED just looks nicer and there is no measurable change from the matte coating to glossy. Also QDOLED doesn't have a polarizer so literally any ambient light will raise the blacks to grey (you can see exactly what that looks like at 14:11 where the right panel is grey not black but just watch Optimum Tech's video on it). That alone is a deal breaker, even ignoring the inferior text rendering of QDOLED with chromatic aberration on every single character. The slightly softer characters on WOLED is easily fixed with cleartype adjustments but Windows offers no such compensation for the color fringing issues.
I had a QD-OLED (34" UWQHD 1440p)for one month. I had to go back to IPS because of the fringing. It was too painful to work wirh it. But I tasted the contrast and black level of OLED, and the gaming experience on IPS is not the same since 😢
@@TechTusiast What does size have to do with anything??? The monitors are also a much higher refresh. I always see this argument of size but no one realises that you also get extra the HZ and other features for PC. And I would love to know what 65in OLED can be had for £989. Any OLED I have seen at that size is more like 1500+ and those are older models.
@@TechTusiast a 4k 65" monitor has a ppi of about 67. 4k at 32" is 138. Thats like a 105% increase in pixel density, which means that each and every pixel has to be way smaller for a monitor than a TV. The expensive stuff comes from trying to pack up that much tech in such a small surface area while still keeping it cooled. On top of having double or triple the refresh rate.
@@MarcAureIeMight be a good thing, since they have updated the packaging. So if yours is getting manufactured now, you’ll get plastic peel on the monitor most likely.
Man, this video was really comprehensive. And I really have to commend and congratulate the unboxed team for the immense amount of effort that has gone into testing and reporting all the different quality parameters. Awesome video Unboxed team. Keep these videos coming, I really love your videos.
Great video. As a programmer though I have to say I really dislike QD-OLED text fringing. Programmers stare at text all day long and the fringing due to the sub-pixel layout makes me think there's something wrong with my glasses prescription. The green 'glow' beneath every character makes the rendering look blurry. I keep blinking but the characters continue to look out of focus.
I've owned my AW3225QF for about 10 days. Its been some of the best 10 days of my gaming visually. Colors are amazing, I have a easily controlled dim room so its PERFECT for me! ZERO issues so far. PLENTY bright.
Do yourself a favor and use SpecialK with it's SDR->HDR conversion, especially on UE4 games where HDR is sketchy. Also, don't be afraid to mess with the sliders on experimental settings. I did some adjustments for my MSI MAG 341CQP (QD-OLED) display, playing Atomic Heart, and with the peak 1000 HDR, got some AMAZING results. The outdoor scenes looked spectacular, and the darker indoor scenes with the "heat orbs" and explosions, it's just hard to describe.
@@-Jakob- You wouldn't say I've been owning... If someone asked you "How long have you owned that monitor?" You would reply "I've owned it for about 10 days now" Not "I have been owning it for about 10 days now"
Something I've learned by having had various woled and qd-oled panels, is that as soon as you introduce any amount of ambient light the contrast of the qd-oled falls off a cliff much more than woled
Are you saying it HAS to be in a dark room? No ambient light what so ever? Or does it vary with strength of ambient light vs how bright the monitor is ?
What do you think about a monitor lightbar on top of the display?, I do have one and I really like it, I love the glossy coating but I guess qd-oled is going to be way too pinkish.
Been running the Dell AW3225QF since it came out. I am always amazed when I look at it. With nVidia's RTX HDR, YT and games have never looked so good. It's also a delight for photo editing. A plus with Dell's is Dolby Vision and e-Arc, so if you live in a dorm or don't need a TV, then you're not missing out when streaming HDR and you have a plethora of soundbar Atmos options.
Well done! I almost pulled the trigger today to buy the LG WOLED. After seeing your review, I decided to wait for an improved version from other competitors.
its a samsung screen which is the competitors... it was a new generation(3rd) was hoping it was far better then last gen in terms of burn in, but its not. Need to wait a year or 2.
@@ianpan2316 3rd gen screens(the latest) are 240hz at 4k and 360hz at 2k, thats pretty much how you know they are third gen(Latest panel tec) at this time.
This is a really interesting review. It's great that you took a variety of measurements, but it's also great to see how things change in real-world use. Thanks for the nice review!
I think something pretty important about QD-OLED that was "kinda" hinted at in the reflections if you knew what to look for was the fact that the quantum dots which essentially "translate" the blue photons into multiple red/green photons can also be activated with outside light hitting them, that might explain the red-ish glow and fringing when shining a light at it in the dark. I would love to have seen this effect tested more, such as viewing a dark scene movie with lots of "low grey" values in a bright studio lighting, or even direct sunlight enviroment to see how they perform if anything is even different.
2:59 I wish you mentioned the reason as to why QD OLED has brighter colours is because it doesn't have to go through a filter. WOLED goes through a filter and as such lower colours, but the white OLED subpixel doesn't go through a filter and can get much brighter. (9:29 yes it's mentioned here a little bit, but fundamentally the reason why QDOLED gets brighter colours is because it's a top emission display, WOLED is not and has to go through filters = less colour brightness)
@@misterinfinity4076 not a filter, but a QD light emitting layer = basically converting the blue light (because it's the strongest light energy, allowing for bright luminance) WOLED has many layers and there is a lot of light lost, which is why LG put in a micro lens array (MLA), basically a sheet of glass/plastic with many concave spheres ablated away with photolithography, to refocus light that would have been lost = creating heat in the process as LG would compensate with more power, with MLA you can get brighter and lower heat but only really applicable to WOLED because of its composition. in summary filtering light vs converting light
People up voting something they have no clue about. Here is more straight forward data why qd-oleds have better colors than LG. Google TFT central article: "Exploring OLED Brightness - Improvements, WOLED vs QD-OLED and the Need for New Metrics and Specs"
I got the LG 27GS95QE-B because it was 500 EUR cheaper at the time than the new QD-OLED alternatives. I would have gone with one of the semi glossy QD-OLEDs if i was paying full price, since i already own the C3. I've seen all of the OLED coatings irl, and i prefer the full gloss of the LG TVs, however i must add that i don't find either the matte or semi gloss bad.
Great vid. Do you remember the video you did comparing oled to mini led? Do you plan on something similar in terms of what to look at to spot the difference? The side by side shots show identical colors and contrast in dark room, with raised blacks on qd in bright room. Can you show us the difference of color brightness on an actual picture being displayed by both? As well as the matte grain. I realize cameras have limitations but itd be great to see how significant it is. Twice as high color brightness on paper sounds material to me. But i cant tell. They look the same
I think the real correct monitor to get besides these two niche types that will never be fully utilized properly is 27in 1440p 360hz QD OLED. Simply put, any GPU from mid tier-high end will see the full benefits of this monitor. The price is normally outstanding around 700-900usd, you get the smooth clarity of 360hz even at lower frames, best color vibrancy and accuracy, better flexibility, still future proofed, better burn in warranty, and you can nearly get two for the price of one of these. There's a reason many are sold out still today, very lucky to have mine 271QRX by MSI. Unless you are just weird and want to game at 1080p 480hz maining only valorant, siege, overwatch or Cs, I just don't see any reason to bother with this monitor until prices drop big. Max settings you can still enjoy what I recommended almost fully in 85 percent of games, but these 4k models it ain't even worth it to get close to 240hz. Easy winner, my recommendation.
i'm very interested in seeing a comparison of different anti burn in protections of the different monitors. It will be a main selling point for me. See how many it can reduce burn possibility, if it's too annoying etc
Damn, didn't think about links in comments. Long comment short: check out the RTINGS UA-cam channel. They have done a major 10+ month burn-in test with a lot of screens. Mostly TVs but added a few monitors after the first ~4 months. In their 8 and 10 month videos, they talked about the various pixel cleaning functions. I think LG's Pixel Refresh ran more reliably and had better results but WOLED also run at lower max brightness. Worth checking out. They have a huge comparison on their website as well.
I have the 27GR95QE-B. Initially I was surprised how low the brightness is. After using it for a while and going back to my old IPS display, I now prefer the lower brightness.
They’re going to bend you over at the price for the “480hz” which you’re very likely never taking advantage of unless you play something like Fortnite or F2P shooters with lower settings. Which at that point why do you even need a high quality pixels just focus on Hz alone. My biggest question is what games are you playing competitively and getting over 450 frames in to capitalize and justify getting the 480hz monitor to smooth the frames. Because if it’s CS or something of that sort then you don’t even need 1440 since you’re likely squeezing it down to 4:3 when you play competitively or dropping settings to low for performance.
@@TjayK2 The thing about a high quality high refresh rate monitors is that you can use it for stuff outside of competitive gaming and it'll do very well unlike those 540hz TN panels which are basically only really good at competitive gaming and poor at productivity and content consumption. I am also waiting for the 1440p 480hz oled in order to play mainly cs and val, but also I reach the 480+fps point on some other games I play such as Minecraft all while still being very good at productivity work and content consumption.
16:05 should have given more attention to this by showing more footage regrading the coating grain/clarity issue. after all this is a monitor...... clarity of the image is the most important factor.
So glad that you went into some detail on text rendering. I'm curious about these newer display technologies but my primary use is working with text and video, not gaming. Knowing what to expect from text rendering on these newer panels has helped me to decide to stick with IPS or VA for now.
I am a software engineer and my work is just about 100% text editing, and I find absolutely no problem with my OLED. At 4k resolution the pixel density makes it such that under any normal text size the pixel layout issue is basically irrelevant. I also work on Windows, so the issue about Windows not handling different subpixel layout is also not noticeable. I suggest you go look at a OLED yourself in person before making a big deal out of this issue, as the benefits of OLED are so huge over LCD panels that it would be a shame to miss out due to some perceived fault that is actually a nonfactor.
Yes, IPS is still the best choice for video editing, content creation and some gaming. It's still the goat for all. OLED is great but not for everyone or ever thing.
@@creepinshadow247 I have a WOLED, the LG C2. You can find better deals with WOLED now than before and the difference at relatively low pixel brightness (which is my preferred use case) is not that big anyway.
Hi, maybe I can get a bit of advice. I am considering a 32 inch OLED and have a hard time making a decision. What I want: - 4K 32' QD OLED (QD after watching this video) - flat, not curved - silent (preferably no fan) - mount for arm - RGB - rather not, but I can tolerate it - preferably glossy - brightness is not an issue, I run my monitors at 0% brightness. Which one will be the best pick? I thought about MSI 321, but the coating is supposed to be semi-glossy?
The only 4K Qd Oled flat panels out now are the Asus PG32UCDM, Gigabyte Aorus FO32U2P and MSI 321URX. The only fully glossy monitor is the XG27AQMR but it’s only 1440p and WOLED.
In a dark room it doesn't matter, but the WOLED was monumentally better in the well lit room in its black screen. Substantial really. I'll probably go QD-OLED for my setup, but they both have their strengths.
I've had the PG32UCDM for 2 weeks, and I love it. I'm a very very demanding person, I've changed monitors twenty times in the last 2 years, unable to find the perfect screen. I've had IPS, VA, VA-MINI LED, IPS MINI LED... I currently have an iPhone (OLED), two TVs (Sony XR-77A95L, LG 55C1), and the ASUS is incredible. I have no dead pixels, the image is very well calibrated from the factory, the screen is thin (I put an arm on it), every time I use it I'm WHOUAW. The only thing that bothers me is that I have a kind of lag/freeze on start-up, and this seems to be linked to the DSC...
People have no fucking clue what qd-oled look like in real life scenario. They see raised blacks because studio lights hitting the panel from 1 meter then say "i like better lg" and at the same time they forgot that LG is $400 more with no burn in warranty. Literally brainless people.
I don't want to bother with that :) Still waiting for oled with crt responsiveness on 100hz. So roughly 15 years for now. Va in living room, oled on work laptop, tn 144 on work play pc.... and crt in the basement :)
For home use I can't imagine brightness ever being an issue. Both of my AOC VA panels are currently set to 32 brightness(out of 100). My previous monitors all needed to be set well below 50 brightness as well unless I wanted my eyes to hurt in 20 minutes. A very bright office setting or being outside are really the only scenarios I imagine an OLED not being bright enough.
Because people are stupid. They don't fucking realize that 32" monitor in 60 cm in front of you is hitting a HUGE FUCK LOAD OF LIGHT at your retina at this size and the end result is that 100-150 nits for SDR is plenty enough with room to spare to not hurt your eyes and have more relaxed and pleasant viewing experience when you sit in front of monitor for longer sessions.
@@fvalloHere I am with two modes, 30 brightness during the day and 0 during the night with lamps on in the room. I really don't get how people can stand super bright screens.
Thank you man. Sorry for not knowing your name but I always find your reviews very helpful. I really appreciate the effort you put into them. You are great. Keep up the good work.
I usually tend to agree with Tim, but regarding text quality/fringing, I just can't. This might be a personal preference but the fringing in QD-OLED just JUMPS at me, it looks SO BAD to me, in a way that WOLED certainly doesn't. Honestly, this is perhaps THE main reason that has me still hanging on to a previous IPS LCD monitor. My job involves writing a bunch of stuff each and every day, doing web searches and stuff, and no, I just can't stand having awful fringing and being a downgrade from a 1440p screen of 8 years ago, especially at the prices they cost. I honestly just can't understand Tim's opinion on this, but again, maybe this is a very subjective topic?
I'm sitting an arms length from my QD Oled right now (AW3423DW), I can't see the fringing until I put my eyes right at the screen to see it. A friend of my has Asus 27" WOLED, and it's worse in every other way (Matte coating, color imbalance due to White subpixel). Try both and see for yourself and draw your own conclusion(s).
I will repeat again. THERE IS NO COLOR FRINGING ON QD-OLED MONITORS @4k Text is ultra tack sharp, easy to read, easy for eyes even if you use white or dark mode - especially if you are a programmer using smaller or bigger font. I have msi qd oled and its absolutely 0 issue.
Are you saying the fringing looks bad because of what you've seen in this video or from seeing a QD OLED in person? The fringing in the video really sticks out, but it's not an accurate use distance either.
Still waiting for a 4K OLED with good hardware calibration support and a 3D LUT... Digital painting on OLED is a paradigm shift because of how we can better perceive contrast. But I need to be able to verify/maintain the accuracy of the output more than anything else. Couldn’t care less for the gamer features.
It's interesting how each person perceives QD-OLED vs WOLED text rendering. I think my glasses, and the type of lenses I got, really affects how I see text. The green and red lines stand out to me like a sore thumb. But my glasses can distort the colors on any RGB LED light. It can make the color red on any icon like reddit or chrome jump around like crazy as I turn my head. Even watching this video, as I tilt my head up and down, the green line at the bottom of the text becomes really apparent. I think I could deal with a shadow more easily than I can colored lines. Being on a VA panel at 92ppi, the text rendering is already pretty bad. WOLED looks like an upgrade from my perspective.
I have the LG 32in WOLED and I love it I tried a QDOLED and the text fringing were worse to me than on the LG. The coating adds a grain but you only see it on white backgrounds IF you look for it with your eyeballs extra close to the screen like if you're trying to find the individual pixels type close. At close immersive distances for gaming and regular distances for work you cannot see any coating or notice reduced sharpness whatsoever. Would I have preferred LG made this glossy? Yes maybe. I work with natural light and don't want to block out the sun so much during the day so this WOLED stays nice and crispy black all the time. The QDOLED in the same lighting conditions would have annoying slightly raised blacks and a slight pinkish weird hue. No thanks QDOLED i'm sticking with WOLED
The WOLED monitors still struggle with vertical banding in 5% gray. For a screen tech where you should (already do) prefer dark mode and gray background is a bad combo. I quess i won the lottery with my cx that has close to perfect gray uniformity. The lg 1440p 240hz was shockingly bad like a "this is an example of a bad gradient display". Also dont like fans in a monitor that will fill with dust and be noticable, just an extra point of failure.
yep I had the lg 240hz 1440p and the asus rog strix one, both of them I had to return as they both displayed horizontal lines running across the darker shades in dark mode. Looked like thicker "scan" lines of crt but much much irritating as they were so thick. And, almost no reviewer talks about the "dirty gray" issues. If they do they simply and quickly just mention it that is suffers from it but not anything else. Basically they just want to sell the products instead of educate us on eventual issues they may have.
Personally I can easily see the color fringing on text from about one meter away. I guess this just comes down to how good your vision is and how sensible you are to these effects. Btw, I also see the pixel jogging they do every few minutes, its not gamebreaking to me like the color fringing on QD-OLED but still a bit distracting.
i have the ROG Swift PG32UCDM ordered and it arrives end of month, never tried an oled for pc gaming only console with the G3. so looking forward to it, hope i made the right choice
You have no idea how jaw dropping experience the same contrast makes also 0 ghosting and deep rich colors with 4K sharp resolution. Be mindful about light sources and you won't stop smiling. (I have msi qd-oled same panel as asus)
@@MrM-dl5zmI'm a bit worried about light sources in my room, it's just a normal ceiling light in the middle of the room, but I don't like that purpleish/reddish hue of the QD OLED. Have you had any issues with it?
Amazing video, I was leaning towards WOLED but after seeing this video I think that I would like the QD-OLED more, even if I really like the dual mode with 480Hz.
People can't even comprehend how jaw dropping qd-oled looks in person (I have msi 4K qd oled) while watching them with your own eye balls. Red, orange, gold colors is something to die for. Deep, accurate and in HDR they are just mesmerizing. But hey all of LG team on other side have studio lights hitting monitor from 1 meter and they see raised blacks :( Not to mention lg costs 400 more and with no burn in warranty not to mention color volume but who cares about that?
14:14 is the redish black tone on the qdoled something to do with the camera recording or it actually looks like that in person bc i dont like that it has that tone when it's suppose to be pure black, it almost makes it look like an LCD
I agree with you. However, I think what he's saying is, at normal sitting distance the colours blend together so well you cannot perceive the fringing while you can still perceive the shadowy appearance of the WOLED panel he's testing from LG. Zoomed in the QD-OLED looks worse to me, but at arm's length from the monitor, it appears to look clearer/sharper without the fringing being apparent. I've read and watched this be said by multiple reviewers who tried QD-OLED and one review even chose not to show a zoomed-in shot of the QD-OLED display because they felt it misrepresented how the text actually looks and didn't want to give a false impression to the viewer. That review was for the Alienware AW3225QF by the PCMonitors channel here on UA-cam.
Uniformity - do you know what that is? How monitor performs under white or any other color and show any tint while watching under different angles. I have very bad news for you but on white screen LG will tint on higher angles while qd-oled have perfect uniformity all around the screen. White is White. I have qd-oled from msi and its absolutely breath taking with no issues of any fringing/tinting just tack sharp. You have to see one by your own eyeballs and they you will make the same conclusion.
Very nice in depth analysis! I'm personally very happy with my QD-OLED and based on the analysis I think I would have preferred it over WOLED either way
big fan from estonia, the woled panels tend to have bad vertical banding in 5% grays, google would have examples. the qd-oleds tend to yave no such issue.
It's worth noting that (according to techless) the LG 32GS95UE will reach over 400 nits of brightness in SDR on a 10% white window if you enable ABL, whereas (if I'm not mistaken) the current QD-OLEDs can never go above about 250 nits in SDR, regardless of how much white is actually on the screen. This is important because when gaming or watching videos, you don't get a lot of white areas (maybe a bit of sky), so the LG should produce a brighter and more vivid picture.
Hmm during whole video QD-OLED one has clear warm tint, how can it be better with broken white balance? Also how about burn in testing? Im looking into upgrade to 4k OLED but im afraid my job software UI will be imprinted into display.
The main points in which they differ is that the WOLED in this video can operate in a smaller resolution and double the refresh rate which would be useful for competitive games; Also, the color brightness and punch of QDOLED is better because there is no white pixel, and the colors are pure; lastly the antiglare coating in the monitors is not the same with white OLED being fuzzy and QDOLED being glossy, QD looks a little reddish and the black levels look raised in some cases, however, this happens testing reflections only and in a dark environment, both will perform with pure blacks, it’s a matter of understanding the reflections you’re dealing with in your room and also, know that ideally light sources should be behind the monitor in both cases.
Subscribed! This is what an in-depth review from an expert is supposed to be like. Great stuff! Have been debating for the last couple of days - samsung 49 inch oled or lg 45 inch oled. This video helps a lot. Going to bestbuy later today to checkout the displays. Cheers!
With the popularity of helldivers 2 lots of WOLED owners are experiencing vertical banding/dirty screen effect alot and for some its their first time. That game has alot of fog and stuff that causes it. I might switch over to qd-oled on that alone.
On a sidenote - I like the new round animated graphs you're doing. Already noticed them in Steve's recent GRE/4070S comparison. Who are we to thank for them? You, Steve or Balin?
Went from a Qd Oled to a Woled screen and never going back, the near infinite black levels on the Woled made all the difference to me to the point where color brightness mattered not when greater immersion is what matters most to you.
This was exactly the video at exactly the right time I needed. Also, kudos for your writing and delivery. Your speaking style is very fluid and doesn't sound like you are reading off a teleprompter like some robot.
Well... I'm in the hunt for the MPG 321URX but its nowhere to be found in stock and I can't comprehend why MSI is being so slow to provide them to retail stores, that translates to losing money to the competition.
Thank you for your "QD-OLED is better in dark room environment and W-OLED better in bright room environment." Because of this I decided to go for LG because I usually play my PC with my monitor facing toward the window and I alway prefer to play in in brigher room. Although, I must confess that I liked the design of Asus more and like the fact that they have an insertion point where you can install a light bar on.
Text: Thanks for including hi-rez shots. The curve on the D in the WOLED does show a little shadowing but the curve on the S in the QDOLED also shows some shadowing. Additionally, _all_ the characters on QDOLED show the color fringing. I've viewed both in person now and prefer the WOLED. Coating: The magenta cast on the QDOLED and IPS-glow-like reflections really harm the experience. Software: Never buy a Samsung monitor. The OSD is so annoying - locked controls, pop-ups on gaming mode you can't dismiss, and the _smart_ (read: bloat) experience all get in the way of normal usage.
I feel like we have finally refined the old crt into a flatscreen form factor. I just bought the brand new Samsung G8 and I’m extremely excited to enjoy this panel.
What about dirty grays? I cant use woled because they will artefact displaying gray/darker shades as I use dark mode in windows. Unsuable for proper desktop use for us nerds or heavy pc users that cant anymore use light mode. And, almost no reviewer talks about the "dirty gray" issues. If they do they simply and quickly just mention it that is suffers from it but not anything else. Basically they just want to sell the products instead of educate us on eventual issues they may have.
Who cares about color accuracy lol 480Hz mode bro and no burn in warranty for $400 more is better because I'm shining my $2000 studio lights at monitor and I see the deep blacks in this case. lol
42 inch TV (if thats what you have) is no the same as desktop use monitor for 60 cm depth desk. No matter what your excuses are. Its too big for FPS games and people who work with text need them to be sharper than 1080p comparable at this size as TV.
@@Sidak_studioWell. I do. 32 inch is absolute max. for me. My desk size and I play a lot of FPS games. From cs, overwatch, cod even older games like left4dead2 or other types. And even for fps games I sometimes adjust monitor (bring it a little bit further back on monitor arm)
14:40 That shot tell me everything I want to know about WOLED vs QD-OLED (how we can talk about color accuracy when on qd-oled even reflection of white light for some reason become red)
We can talk about colour accuracy since the phenomenon you are referring to only occurs when the colour black is displayed in a high ambient light environment.
I will take the Glossy QD-OLED anyway over those horrible matte coating, I never liked matte coating and it's the main reason the best looking monitor I owned up until QD-OLED was an old Apple Cinema Display.
there is no "the matte" coating there are probably as many varients than oled monitor models out. Some old displays no doubt look bad but nowadays its fine. i own a TN panel and a cx oled.
@@Takashita_SukakokiI have seen matte OLED and Glossy OLED, the Glossy not only subjectively looks better but objectively looks better based on how light is scattered when passing through the coating. There is no matte coating that can match the clarity and vibrancy of a glossy coating
@@kinghadu9611 you own a lg oled panel monitor based off woled? Overall the issue seems blown out of proportion most people had that 2002 lcd matte screen that look like it was coated in vaseline. i would take perfect black lvls in brighter conditions over magenta tint.
It still seems the middle layer of the QD-OLED screens is a bit more colorish than the WOLED, the QD-OLED with a bit of a light behind it somehow retains the light in the screen, never really rendering it completely black, at least if the environment around you isn't somewhat dark. It almost feels like it's got a matt finish to it, even though it doesn't, i hope they fix that in the near future.
W-OLED all the way. My Alienware 34 inch ultra wide had insane purple tinting when even the smallest amount of light was on it. My LG OLED has no such issue and is amazing.
I'm puzzled why this fact is being completely ignored. Absolutely EVERYWHERE where QD technology is involved, it gives a parasitic purple/magenta tint to the white color. In any video where monitors or TVs are compared side by side, one can immidiately spot the QD by it's lack of pure white colors. And no, this can't be solved by calibration.
@@andreypotapov8898 I'm puzzled why I can't see this purple tint? Oh yeah I forgot. I don't shine a sun light or studio light at my msi qd-oled monitor but for some people including you its out of boundary beyond any recognition obstacle to avoid this. But hey at least a smeared oil vaseline look with washed out colors, no burn in warranty and $400 more LG is more pleasing at least because you can shine studio light and don't have any raised blacks/purple tint from panel lol.
People waited 10+ years for such a tech and its available. While you wait I hope you will be younger as well. Last year monitors was not that refined especially with text clarity or no burn in warranty but 2024 oled monitors are top shelves choices no matter what.
As a person who is 49 years old, I already waited more than 5 years for oled panel, which makes me very happy, because my investments grew multiple fold since 2017. With the same figure, I could have bought one (which already very old tech) oled tv, I can now buy multiple of them. It won't kill me to buy right product, either in later part of 2024 or in 2025. I got no rush...
@@ozanozkirmizi47$1000 is not life changing investment. I have been waiting 10+ years ti finally overcome motion ghosting have deep contrast and first oleds TV had that but they were burning like cakes in a oven. Nowadays we having Good Step in the right direction and these monitors really well perform.
![Best 4K Gaming Monitors of 2024 [November Update]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/zbMfDFq4loo/mqdefault.jpg)
11:39 this might be nit picking, but it's probably worth pointing out that the only modern operating system that does subpixel rendering, without supporting arbitrary subpixel arrangements is Windows. This is subpixel rendering issue is not an issue on Linux, MacOS, or Android. There really should be some pressure on Microsoft to fix their obsolete text rendering system as it's not really the monitor manufacturers' fault.
Lol. Nit picking
Yeah, it's a nitpick, but it's valid and will probably help someone.
Yeah but macOS just doesn't any subpixel rendering at on HiDPI/Retina and stopped subpixel on non-Retina as well. So not sure that is "better".
if they had to bring OS context yes, its windows specific issue, but they would also have to mention that by default, most linux distros don't support HDR, which would kinda ruin one of the biggest selling points on using an OLED monitor. HDR on linux is pretty bleeding edge
Just open ClearType and disable it if you want it to be like Linux. Sadly no matter what I change on Linux, it can never be as clear as ClearType
This is the GOLD STANDARD comparison video for WOLED vs QD-OLED.
Ugh no single word about burn-in testing. Also during whole video QD-OLED has clear warm tint, how can it be better with broken white balance?
@@5poolcatrush Enough time hasn't passed yet for anyone to know burn-in performance. The monitors just launched. All we can estimate is based on how long each manufacturer's warranty is.
You also can't judge color accuracy through a UA-cam video. Manufacturer default calibration is at play, as well as color temperature.
@@BananaKyat burn-in is the only thing that stops me from buying oled, i dont game much but i dont want my job/hobby software UI or windows icons and taskbar to be imprinted into display when after a work day i'll decide to watch a movie lets say. That thing alone makes whole review and choice pointless.
About white balance, youtube video is enough to tell that these 2 have a clear difference meaning at least one of them is wrong. My job involves work with colors and from my expertise i can say that is the warm one. And this problem cannot be fixed with manual calibration only coped by os or gpu driver crutches, it will not change actual white balance of the panel just add a compensative software tint that will result inaccurate colors anyway. Probably that is some monitor settings problem but i doubt Tim would do such mistake.
@5poolcatrush the longitivity tests look pretty good for the qd oled monitors on rtings. Sitting at 6000 hours without any burn in or noticable drop in peak brightness. Just choose a manufacturer with a clear 3 year warranty that includes screen burn.
I bought one last week and whilst already having a qd oled tv, sitting close to a monitor seems to be an even bigger difference. I don't think I can go back to VA or IPS 😅
@@5poolcatrush Are you sure? Did the camera used accurately record to video editing that preserved and got accurately transmitted by UA-cam to arrive at your monitor where it was then accurately displayed? (No way in hell). Is your monitor even color calibrated, and recently? No, it is factory stock or some random preprogrammed setting right?
People are very sure they see accurate video. People in the industry know that this is not the case. Many color choices were made on the way to your screen. If you are on a 2k SDR monitor, would you expect accurate video of a 4k HDR monitor? Laws of Physics impossible right?
On my monitor, I use the LG 42" C3 evo 4K OLED, the text comparisons favored the WOLED. I could not see what he was seeing. The color banding looked grotesque on the QD OLED, as displayed on my monitor. The shadowing on the WOLED barely noticeable as zoomed in. Does that mean that holds on the actual monitors? No. Odds are he is correct. Plus or minus differences in how our vision works of course. That is not the same across people and or ages.
This channel deserves a wider audience.
Yea, Ultrawide.
i mean, high end monitor reviews is a pretty niche audience.
Why? Lol only enthusiasts worry so much about OLED
@@nonyabusiness-f9e>buy RTX4080 but forgot about proper display
@@rundown132Its not enthusiasts. You have no slightest idea how contrast is impacting overall image. How it looks deep and rich with detail shadows and oled brings that on top of that a NO GHOSTING at all!
The video that puts other comparison videos to bed
Like me and your mother
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@@swagm8919 lol
@@swagm8919 Like me and both your sisters... No wait it has to be even worse. Your mom, your aunt, your sister and your daughter 18+.
@@swagm8919 damn
Thank god I found this video! Been looking to replace my Acer Predator IPS monitor for months now and I can't decide between panel types due to the lack of comparison like this one.
For me I will be getting a QD-OLED monitor. Thanks again Unboxed team!!🙏
YES! Been waiting YEARS for 4K 32" OLED panels to arrive.
Now I just need a comparison review of the available models to choose.
They are not all available. He already mentioned that. Hang tight a bit longer
I would wait another year if I was you.
@@EcoAcid yeah the price is still very inflated outside the US.
Why only 32'' tho ? The LG CX 48 is available since years now and it's a REALLY great OLED TV for PC. I have the 65'' myself and I only use it for PC gaming and it's reaaally awesome. Way better than a 32'', really. Of course there is better choice than the CX nowadays.
@@biglittleboy9827 that model is old, only 120hz, has horrible PPI, poor text clarity, and rtings has already reviewed it extensively.
The color fringing on QDOLED looks horrendous. I definitely agree more with Optimum Tech on which panel tech is superior. WOLED just looks nicer and there is no measurable change from the matte coating to glossy. Also QDOLED doesn't have a polarizer so literally any ambient light will raise the blacks to grey (you can see exactly what that looks like at 14:11 where the right panel is grey not black but just watch Optimum Tech's video on it). That alone is a deal breaker, even ignoring the inferior text rendering of QDOLED with chromatic aberration on every single character. The slightly softer characters on WOLED is easily fixed with cleartype adjustments but Windows offers no such compensation for the color fringing issues.
Ye it's weird, I much prefer text on WOLED. Now with the newer WOLED panels with RGWB layout (like LG 32GS95UE-B) it's as good as IPS.
I had a QD-OLED (34" UWQHD 1440p)for one month. I had to go back to IPS because of the fringing. It was too painful to work wirh it.
But I tasted the contrast and black level of OLED, and the gaming experience on IPS is not the same since 😢
5 years ago no one would believe we would be spoiled by such amazing monitors
Nah, 5 years ago we were cursing how advanced tv and phone displays are compared to monitors.
More like it's finally here in monitor space that TV and phones enjoyed for a while. As well as motion clarity like CRT days.
@@TechTusiast What does size have to do with anything??? The monitors are also a much higher refresh. I always see this argument of size but no one realises that you also get extra the HZ and other features for PC. And I would love to know what 65in OLED can be had for £989. Any OLED I have seen at that size is more like 1500+ and those are older models.
@@lilpain1997 another thing people miss out on is PPI difference, its harder for them to make high PPI vs lower PPI
@@TechTusiast a 4k 65" monitor has a ppi of about 67. 4k at 32" is 138. Thats like a 105% increase in pixel density, which means that each and every pixel has to be way smaller for a monitor than a TV. The expensive stuff comes from trying to pack up that much tech in such a small surface area while still keeping it cooled. On top of having double or triple the refresh rate.
I just bought the AW3225QF (qdoled).
Not necessarily for the specs, but because it's 400€ cheaper than any alternative
Hopefully you didn't get one with scratches!
@@TheHarleyH They are all sold out, mine will arrive on may 16th, finger crossed !
@@MarcAureIeMight be a good thing, since they have updated the packaging. So if yours is getting manufactured now, you’ll get plastic peel on the monitor most likely.
@@tommyknaggard6298 really ? I didnt know
I got the aw3423dw on release and there was no scratches.
Man, this video was really comprehensive. And I really have to commend and congratulate the unboxed team for the immense amount of effort that has gone into testing and reporting all the different quality parameters. Awesome video Unboxed team. Keep these videos coming, I really love your videos.
Great video. As a programmer though I have to say I really dislike QD-OLED text fringing. Programmers stare at text all day long and the fringing due to the sub-pixel layout makes me think there's something wrong with my glasses prescription. The green 'glow' beneath every character makes the rendering look blurry. I keep blinking but the characters continue to look out of focus.
What resolution and monitor size did you experience this at?
I've owned my AW3225QF for about 10 days. Its been some of the best 10 days of my gaming visually. Colors are amazing, I have a easily controlled dim room so its PERFECT for me! ZERO issues so far. PLENTY bright.
Why did you sell it?
Do yourself a favor and use SpecialK with it's SDR->HDR conversion, especially on UE4 games where HDR is sketchy. Also, don't be afraid to mess with the sliders on experimental settings. I did some adjustments for my MSI MAG 341CQP (QD-OLED) display, playing Atomic Heart, and with the peak 1000 HDR, got some AMAZING results. The outdoor scenes looked spectacular, and the darker indoor scenes with the "heat orbs" and explosions, it's just hard to describe.
@@deivytrajan He didn't say he sold it. Think you're reading something that isn't there.
@@theSato notice the difference between "I've owned" and "I've been owning"
@@-Jakob- You wouldn't say I've been owning... If someone asked you "How long have you owned that monitor?" You would reply "I've owned it for about 10 days now" Not "I have been owning it for about 10 days now"
best comparison video i seen . unbiased and amazing info . more channels should see this video and learn how to proper review and compared
Something I've learned by having had various woled and qd-oled panels, is that as soon as you introduce any amount of ambient light the contrast of the qd-oled falls off a cliff much more than woled
Are you saying it HAS to be in a dark room? No ambient light what so ever? Or does it vary with strength of ambient light vs how bright the monitor is ?
@ktg_2castle960 it varies. It's pretty minor in a dimly lit room. It's only obnoxious in a bright room
What do you think about a monitor lightbar on top of the display?, I do have one and I really like it, I love the glossy coating but I guess qd-oled is going to be way too pinkish.
My Asus PG32 is in the living with 2 big ass windows and when I’m using it I don’t see any issues with the color
@@herrlegnoI have a BenQ on mine and there’s no issues with it at all
Are we looking at June- July for more WOLED options or more towards October- November?
Most likely October/November deliveries to the West due to shipping routes being disrupted. 😔
Sold. Getting that LG. Awesome video brother thank you.
Been running the Dell AW3225QF since it came out. I am always amazed when I look at it. With nVidia's RTX HDR, YT and games have never looked so good. It's also a delight for photo editing. A plus with Dell's is Dolby Vision and e-Arc, so if you live in a dorm or don't need a TV, then you're not missing out when streaming HDR and you have a plethora of soundbar Atmos options.
Earc is messed up in the aw3225qf. You can only get 48khz through display port or full 192khz atmos through hdmi but foregoing gsync
@@hsp8933 Isn't 48 enough, don't tell me you can tell the difference.
Well done! I almost pulled the trigger today to buy the LG WOLED. After seeing your review, I decided to wait for an improved version from other competitors.
its a samsung screen which is the competitors... it was a new generation(3rd) was hoping it was far better then last gen in terms of burn in, but its not. Need to wait a year or 2.
@@givemeanameman1 Could you let me know which model of Samsung?
@@ianpan2316 3rd gen screens(the latest) are 240hz at 4k and 360hz at 2k, thats pretty much how you know they are third gen(Latest panel tec) at this time.
This is a really interesting review. It's great that you took a variety of measurements, but it's also great to see how things change in real-world use. Thanks for the nice review!
I think something pretty important about QD-OLED that was "kinda" hinted at in the reflections if you knew what to look for was the fact that the quantum dots which essentially "translate" the blue photons into multiple red/green photons can also be activated with outside light hitting them, that might explain the red-ish glow and fringing when shining a light at it in the dark.
I would love to have seen this effect tested more, such as viewing a dark scene movie with lots of "low grey" values in a bright studio lighting, or even direct sunlight enviroment to see how they perform if anything is even different.
2:59 I wish you mentioned the reason as to why QD OLED has brighter colours is because it doesn't have to go through a filter. WOLED goes through a filter and as such lower colours, but the white OLED subpixel doesn't go through a filter and can get much brighter.
(9:29 yes it's mentioned here a little bit, but fundamentally the reason why QDOLED gets brighter colours is because it's a top emission display, WOLED is not and has to go through filters = less colour brightness)
But qd oled also goes through a color filter except for the blue.?
@@misterinfinity4076 not a filter, but a QD light emitting layer = basically converting the blue light (because it's the strongest light energy, allowing for bright luminance)
WOLED has many layers and there is a lot of light lost, which is why LG put in a micro lens array (MLA), basically a sheet of glass/plastic with many concave spheres ablated away with photolithography, to refocus light that would have been lost = creating heat in the process as LG would compensate with more power, with MLA you can get brighter and lower heat but only really applicable to WOLED because of its composition.
in summary filtering light vs converting light
@@misterinfinity4076 There's no filter: It uses quantum dots for high efficiency conversion of blue light to green and red for those subpixels.
@@misterinfinity4076 it's not exactly a color filter. similar effect, very different mechanism, higher efficiency
People up voting something they have no clue about. Here is more straight forward data why qd-oleds have better colors than LG. Google TFT central article: "Exploring OLED Brightness - Improvements, WOLED vs QD-OLED and the Need for New Metrics and Specs"
7:56 lmao look at those purple blacks on the QDOLED on the right
Excellent comparison Tim! I have the LG 27 gs95qe. I love it.
I got the LG 27GS95QE-B because it was 500 EUR cheaper at the time than the new QD-OLED alternatives. I would have gone with one of the semi glossy QD-OLEDs if i was paying full price, since i already own the C3. I've seen all of the OLED coatings irl, and i prefer the full gloss of the LG TVs, however i must add that i don't find either the matte or semi gloss bad.
exactly
Great vid. Do you remember the video you did comparing oled to mini led? Do you plan on something similar in terms of what to look at to spot the difference? The side by side shots show identical colors and contrast in dark room, with raised blacks on qd in bright room. Can you show us the difference of color brightness on an actual picture being displayed by both? As well as the matte grain. I realize cameras have limitations but itd be great to see how significant it is. Twice as high color brightness on paper sounds material to me. But i cant tell. They look the same
I think the real correct monitor to get besides these two niche types that will never be fully utilized properly is 27in 1440p 360hz QD OLED. Simply put, any GPU from mid tier-high end will see the full benefits of this monitor. The price is normally outstanding around 700-900usd, you get the smooth clarity of 360hz even at lower frames, best color vibrancy and accuracy, better flexibility, still future proofed, better burn in warranty, and you can nearly get two for the price of one of these. There's a reason many are sold out still today, very lucky to have mine 271QRX by MSI. Unless you are just weird and want to game at 1080p 480hz maining only valorant, siege, overwatch or Cs, I just don't see any reason to bother with this monitor until prices drop big. Max settings you can still enjoy what I recommended almost fully in 85 percent of games, but these 4k models it ain't even worth it to get close to 240hz. Easy winner, my recommendation.
i'm very interested in seeing a comparison of different anti burn in protections of the different monitors. It will be a main selling point for me. See how many it can reduce burn possibility, if it's too annoying etc
Damn, didn't think about links in comments. Long comment short: check out the RTINGS UA-cam channel. They have done a major 10+ month burn-in test with a lot of screens. Mostly TVs but added a few monitors after the first ~4 months. In their 8 and 10 month videos, they talked about the various pixel cleaning functions. I think LG's Pixel Refresh ran more reliably and had better results but WOLED also run at lower max brightness. Worth checking out. They have a huge comparison on their website as well.
What about vrr flicker?
I have the 27GR95QE-B. Initially I was surprised how low the brightness is. After using it for a while and going back to my old IPS display, I now prefer the lower brightness.
Such a clear and well organized video! Thank you for doing what you do so well!
Worth waiting for the 27" 1440p 480hz woleds with the new subpixel structure? Like The PG27AQDP.
Robert? What are you doing here? Where are you hiding the videos??
Robert!
Seeing you is like a blast from the past, thanks for the memories.
They’re going to bend you over at the price for the “480hz” which you’re very likely never taking advantage of unless you play something like Fortnite or F2P shooters with lower settings. Which at that point why do you even need a high quality pixels just focus on Hz alone. My biggest question is what games are you playing competitively and getting over 450 frames in to capitalize and justify getting the 480hz monitor to smooth the frames. Because if it’s CS or something of that sort then you don’t even need 1440 since you’re likely squeezing it down to 4:3 when you play competitively or dropping settings to low for performance.
@@TjayK2 The thing about a high quality high refresh rate monitors is that you can use it for stuff outside of competitive gaming and it'll do very well unlike those 540hz TN panels which are basically only really good at competitive gaming and poor at productivity and content consumption. I am also waiting for the 1440p 480hz oled in order to play mainly cs and val, but also I reach the 480+fps point on some other games I play such as Minecraft all while still being very good at productivity work and content consumption.
I love your data presentation. Thank you for all of your hard work.
What about VRR flicker? It`s something that should be in every OLED test.
i googled this last week since i didn’t understand the difference, very timely!
16:05 should have given more attention to this by showing more footage regrading the coating grain/clarity issue. after all this is a monitor...... clarity of the image is the most important factor.
theres no issue rather than the matte coating check out woled gray vertical banding and tell me if thats a problem
I have the woled lg and its amazing. I love the matte finish and the colors are amazing. I don’t think anyone wld be upset about either option.
So glad that you went into some detail on text rendering. I'm curious about these newer display technologies but my primary use is working with text and video, not gaming. Knowing what to expect from text rendering on these newer panels has helped me to decide to stick with IPS or VA for now.
I am a software engineer and my work is just about 100% text editing, and I find absolutely no problem with my OLED. At 4k resolution the pixel density makes it such that under any normal text size the pixel layout issue is basically irrelevant. I also work on Windows, so the issue about Windows not handling different subpixel layout is also not noticeable. I suggest you go look at a OLED yourself in person before making a big deal out of this issue, as the benefits of OLED are so huge over LCD panels that it would be a shame to miss out due to some perceived fault that is actually a nonfactor.
Yes, IPS is still the best choice for video editing, content creation and some gaming. It's still the goat for all. OLED is great but not for everyone or ever thing.
@@zxbc1 do you have a woled or qd oled?
@@creepinshadow247 I have a WOLED, the LG C2. You can find better deals with WOLED now than before and the difference at relatively low pixel brightness (which is my preferred use case) is not that big anyway.
Ok fine, you deserve a subscription. What a thorough explanation
Hi, maybe I can get a bit of advice. I am considering a 32 inch OLED and have a hard time making a decision. What I want:
- 4K 32' QD OLED (QD after watching this video)
- flat, not curved
- silent (preferably no fan)
- mount for arm
- RGB - rather not, but I can tolerate it
- preferably glossy
- brightness is not an issue, I run my monitors at 0% brightness.
Which one will be the best pick? I thought about MSI 321, but the coating is supposed to be semi-glossy?
The only 4K Qd Oled flat panels out now are the Asus PG32UCDM, Gigabyte Aorus FO32U2P and MSI 321URX. The only fully glossy monitor is the XG27AQMR but it’s only 1440p and WOLED.
@@averagetoad2802the asus pg32ucdm is glossy
In a dark room it doesn't matter, but the WOLED was monumentally better in the well lit room in its black screen. Substantial really. I'll probably go QD-OLED for my setup, but they both have their strengths.
I've had the PG32UCDM for 2 weeks, and I love it. I'm a very very demanding person, I've changed monitors twenty times in the last 2 years, unable to find the perfect screen. I've had IPS, VA, VA-MINI LED, IPS MINI LED...
I currently have an iPhone (OLED), two TVs (Sony XR-77A95L, LG 55C1), and the ASUS is incredible.
I have no dead pixels, the image is very well calibrated from the factory, the screen is thin (I put an arm on it), every time I use it I'm WHOUAW.
The only thing that bothers me is that I have a kind of lag/freeze on start-up, and this seems to be linked to the DSC...
People have no fucking clue what qd-oled look like in real life scenario. They see raised blacks because studio lights hitting the panel from 1 meter then say "i like better lg" and at the same time they forgot that LG is $400 more with no burn in warranty. Literally brainless people.
I don't want to bother with that :) Still waiting for oled with crt responsiveness on 100hz. So roughly 15 years for now. Va in living room, oled on work laptop, tn 144 on work play pc.... and crt in the basement :)
Finally a great comparison,
I already ordered an alienware QD-Oled glad to see I made the right choice
For home use I can't imagine brightness ever being an issue. Both of my AOC VA panels are currently set to 32 brightness(out of 100). My previous monitors all needed to be set well below 50 brightness as well unless I wanted my eyes to hurt in 20 minutes. A very bright office setting or being outside are really the only scenarios I imagine an OLED not being bright enough.
Completely overblown, i us my s90c at 25 out of 50 brightness at most, only for hdr an its brigt AF.... Sometimes too much in dark/er room
Because people are stupid. They don't fucking realize that 32" monitor in 60 cm in front of you is hitting a HUGE FUCK LOAD OF LIGHT at your retina at this size and the end result is that 100-150 nits for SDR is plenty enough with room to spare to not hurt your eyes and have more relaxed and pleasant viewing experience when you sit in front of monitor for longer sessions.
@@fvalloHere I am with two modes, 30 brightness during the day and 0 during the night with lamps on in the room. I really don't get how people can stand super bright screens.
Thank you man. Sorry for not knowing your name but I always find your reviews very helpful. I really appreciate the effort you put into them. You are great. Keep up the good work.
I usually tend to agree with Tim, but regarding text quality/fringing, I just can't. This might be a personal preference but the fringing in QD-OLED just JUMPS at me, it looks SO BAD to me, in a way that WOLED certainly doesn't.
Honestly, this is perhaps THE main reason that has me still hanging on to a previous IPS LCD monitor. My job involves writing a bunch of stuff each and every day, doing web searches and stuff, and no, I just can't stand having awful fringing and being a downgrade from a 1440p screen of 8 years ago, especially at the prices they cost.
I honestly just can't understand Tim's opinion on this, but again, maybe this is a very subjective topic?
Graphics cards have 4 outputs for a reason. Own both, millions of people do that. LCD for work QD everything else
Lol, there's no way you're seeing the type of fringing you're talking about.
I'm sitting an arms length from my QD Oled right now (AW3423DW), I can't see the fringing until I put my eyes right at the screen to see it. A friend of my has Asus 27" WOLED, and it's worse in every other way (Matte coating, color imbalance due to White subpixel). Try both and see for yourself and draw your own conclusion(s).
I will repeat again.
THERE IS NO COLOR FRINGING ON QD-OLED MONITORS @4k
Text is ultra tack sharp, easy to read, easy for eyes even if you use white or dark mode - especially if you are a programmer using smaller or bigger font.
I have msi qd oled and its absolutely 0 issue.
Are you saying the fringing looks bad because of what you've seen in this video or from seeing a QD OLED in person? The fringing in the video really sticks out, but it's not an accurate use distance either.
Still waiting for a 4K OLED with good hardware calibration support and a 3D LUT... Digital painting on OLED is a paradigm shift because of how we can better perceive contrast. But I need to be able to verify/maintain the accuracy of the output more than anything else. Couldn’t care less for the gamer features.
I mean the LG C-series of TVs have been available for a good while now?
Just an utterly BRILLIANT video. The only UA-cam channel to trust on monitor reviews. Love the channel and hardware unboxed too. Keep it up guys!
It's interesting how each person perceives QD-OLED vs WOLED text rendering. I think my glasses, and the type of lenses I got, really affects how I see text. The green and red lines stand out to me like a sore thumb. But my glasses can distort the colors on any RGB LED light. It can make the color red on any icon like reddit or chrome jump around like crazy as I turn my head. Even watching this video, as I tilt my head up and down, the green line at the bottom of the text becomes really apparent. I think I could deal with a shadow more easily than I can colored lines. Being on a VA panel at 92ppi, the text rendering is already pretty bad. WOLED looks like an upgrade from my perspective.
I have the LG 32in WOLED and I love it I tried a QDOLED and the text fringing were worse to me than on the LG. The coating adds a grain but you only see it on white backgrounds IF you look for it with your eyeballs extra close to the screen like if you're trying to find the individual pixels type close. At close immersive distances for gaming and regular distances for work you cannot see any coating or notice reduced sharpness whatsoever. Would I have preferred LG made this glossy? Yes maybe. I work with natural light and don't want to block out the sun so much during the day so this WOLED stays nice and crispy black all the time. The QDOLED in the same lighting conditions would have annoying slightly raised blacks and a slight pinkish weird hue. No thanks QDOLED i'm sticking with WOLED
The WOLED monitors still struggle with vertical banding in 5% gray. For a screen tech where you should (already do) prefer dark mode and gray background is a bad combo. I quess i won the lottery with my cx that has close to perfect gray uniformity. The lg 1440p 240hz was shockingly bad like a "this is an example of a bad gradient display". Also dont like fans in a monitor that will fill with dust and be noticable, just an extra point of failure.
My LG 27GR95Q oled has vertical and 1 horizontal banding. It seems that you need luck to get one without them.
how can you know? none of them are out yet.
@@sudd3660 i kbow because i bought the 1440p 240hz lg it was so bad that back to the store it went, also tim mentions its still an issue
yep I had the lg 240hz 1440p and the asus rog strix one, both of them I had to return as they both displayed horizontal lines running across the darker shades in dark mode. Looked like thicker "scan" lines of crt but much much irritating as they were so thick.
And, almost no reviewer talks about the "dirty gray" issues. If they do they simply and quickly just mention it that is suffers from it but not anything else. Basically they just want to sell the products instead of educate us on eventual issues they may have.
Huge deal breaker!
this is the first yt video i’ve ever seen that already zoomed to fill my iphone resolution
This is the video I was waiting for! Amazing comparison and great video as always.
Personally I can easily see the color fringing on text from about one meter away. I guess this just comes down to how good your vision is and how sensible you are to these effects.
Btw, I also see the pixel jogging they do every few minutes, its not gamebreaking to me like the color fringing on QD-OLED but still a bit distracting.
i have the ROG Swift PG32UCDM ordered and it arrives end of month, never tried an oled for pc gaming only console with the G3. so looking forward to it, hope i made the right choice
You have no idea how jaw dropping experience the same contrast makes also 0 ghosting and deep rich colors with 4K sharp resolution. Be mindful about light sources and you won't stop smiling. (I have msi qd-oled same panel as asus)
I love my AlienWare
I got the same, coming from high in LCD. JAW DROPPING image quality upgrade!
You'll be shocked!
@@MrM-dl5zmI'm a bit worried about light sources in my room, it's just a normal ceiling light in the middle of the room, but I don't like that purpleish/reddish hue of the QD OLED. Have you had any issues with it?
@@Lightning9060I have now FO32U2P. You won't regret it.
Incredibly informative. Well done!
Amazing video, I was leaning towards WOLED but after seeing this video I think that I would like the QD-OLED more, even if I really like the dual mode with 480Hz.
This is a top class technical video .
good lord those color graphs.
People can't even comprehend how jaw dropping qd-oled looks in person (I have msi 4K qd oled) while watching them with your own eye balls. Red, orange, gold colors is something to die for. Deep, accurate and in HDR they are just mesmerizing. But hey all of LG team on other side have studio lights hitting monitor from 1 meter and they see raised blacks :( Not to mention lg costs 400 more and with no burn in warranty not to mention color volume but who cares about that?
@@MrM-dl5zm Enjoy your raised "blacks" and pink-frizzled text.
@@MrM-dl5zm Meanwhile the subreddit is defending WOLED by saying "just control the lights" is just copium for QD-OLED users
In short, both are insane quality for almost any use case,.. just absolutely ridiculous.
Dolby vision… yeaaaah about that
people still think that it is a selling point, just like MQA in audio
This is the video I have been waiting for all year! As usual, you delivered. Thank you for all your great work!
14:14 is the redish black tone on the qdoled something to do with the camera recording or it actually looks like that in person bc i dont like that it has that tone when it's suppose to be pure black, it almost makes it look like an LCD
Unfortunately with some light... Yes it's visible irl
This channel should be exploding with subscribers. The amount of knowledge and information you share is above and beyond any other source. Thank you.
13:18 Personally, I find the red & green fringing on right side FAR more distracting than the slight shadowing on the left side.
I agree with you. However, I think what he's saying is, at normal sitting distance the colours blend together so well you cannot perceive the fringing while you can still perceive the shadowy appearance of the WOLED panel he's testing from LG. Zoomed in the QD-OLED looks worse to me, but at arm's length from the monitor, it appears to look clearer/sharper without the fringing being apparent.
I've read and watched this be said by multiple reviewers who tried QD-OLED and one review even chose not to show a zoomed-in shot of the QD-OLED display because they felt it misrepresented how the text actually looks and didn't want to give a false impression to the viewer. That review was for the Alienware AW3225QF by the PCMonitors channel here on UA-cam.
Uniformity - do you know what that is? How monitor performs under white or any other color and show any tint while watching under different angles. I have very bad news for you but on white screen LG will tint on higher angles while qd-oled have perfect uniformity all around the screen. White is White. I have qd-oled from msi and its absolutely breath taking with no issues of any fringing/tinting just tack sharp. You have to see one by your own eyeballs and they you will make the same conclusion.
17:05 - best moment to compare GLOSSY vs MATT coating (that was discussed for 180second prior to that :))
QD-OLED for life!
Best reviewer of the world.
Very nice in depth analysis! I'm personally very happy with my QD-OLED and based on the analysis I think I would have preferred it over WOLED either way
big fan from estonia, the woled panels tend to have bad vertical banding in 5% grays, google would have examples. the qd-oleds tend to yave no such issue.
It's worth noting that (according to techless) the LG 32GS95UE will reach over 400 nits of brightness in SDR on a 10% white window if you enable ABL, whereas (if I'm not mistaken) the current QD-OLEDs can never go above about 250 nits in SDR, regardless of how much white is actually on the screen. This is important because when gaming or watching videos, you don't get a lot of white areas (maybe a bit of sky), so the LG should produce a brighter and more vivid picture.
Hmm during whole video QD-OLED one has clear warm tint, how can it be better with broken white balance?
Also how about burn in testing? Im looking into upgrade to 4k OLED but im afraid my job software UI will be imprinted into display.
The main points in which they differ is that the WOLED in this video can operate in a smaller resolution and double the refresh rate which would be useful for competitive games; Also, the color brightness and punch of QDOLED is better because there is no white pixel, and the colors are pure; lastly the antiglare coating in the monitors is not the same with white OLED being fuzzy and QDOLED being glossy, QD looks a little reddish and the black levels look raised in some cases, however, this happens testing reflections only and in a dark environment, both will perform with pure blacks, it’s a matter of understanding the reflections you’re dealing with in your room and also, know that ideally light sources should be behind the monitor in both cases.
I dont know why im watching this. Cant afford a OLED monitor..
Me either, just bought one tho lol.
Me neither, bought 2 years ago 😂
I hate this comment section
They flicker to hell anyway, sadly
No need to test a prototype version for these corpos. Wait 10 more years.
Subscribed! This is what an in-depth review from an expert is supposed to be like. Great stuff!
Have been debating for the last couple of days - samsung 49 inch oled or lg 45 inch oled. This video helps a lot. Going to bestbuy later today to checkout the displays. Cheers!
I was researching this question just yesterday... this video is a godsent to me!
With the popularity of helldivers 2 lots of WOLED owners are experiencing vertical banding/dirty screen effect alot and for some its their first time. That game has alot of fog and stuff that causes it. I might switch over to qd-oled on that alone.
*a lot, "alot" isn't a word
Intro: are you thinking of jumping to OLED -
Me: *empty wallet while monitor having dead pixels* "Yes, 5+ years later when it's $200 cheap"
"flexing" with being poor is cringe. how about being bettter in life!?
I am in college, earning certifications, and getting by with what I have. Yes, I am being better in life just not yet blessed with a job
Oled will never get that cheap unfortunately. I guess Micro LED will in the future.
@@axcn4733wow, you are pathetic.
@@H3LLGHA5Tgood for aftermarket I guess
On a sidenote - I like the new round animated graphs you're doing. Already noticed them in Steve's recent GRE/4070S comparison.
Who are we to thank for them? You, Steve or Balin?
Went from a Qd Oled to a Woled screen and never going back, the near infinite black levels on the Woled made all the difference to me to the point where color brightness mattered not when greater immersion is what matters most to you.
Are you sure you came from QD
OLED and not QD LED?
Because QD OLED has the same infinite black levels.
This was exactly the video at exactly the right time I needed. Also, kudos for your writing and delivery. Your speaking style is very fluid and doesn't sound like you are reading off a teleprompter like some robot.
I'm watching this on my WOLED monitor and my QD-OLED TV simultaneously to see the difference
Blasphemy!
You have to be in one camp and hate the other!
noo bof bad! burn in boohoo /s. Hell yeah a mans living the best life :D
That's what I call a flex but btw what panel technology do you prefer though? :)
@@henrik_lamar
QD OLED overall, just has more colour range and looks a bit more vibrant.
This channel respects it's viewers.
Well... I'm in the hunt for the MPG 321URX but its nowhere to be found in stock and I can't comprehend why MSI is being so slow to provide them to retail stores, that translates to losing money to the competition.
That would not be msi that would be samsung itself.
Thank you for your "QD-OLED is better in dark room environment and W-OLED better in bright room environment." Because of this I decided to go for LG because I usually play my PC with my monitor facing toward the window and I alway prefer to play in in brigher room.
Although, I must confess that I liked the design of Asus more and like the fact that they have an insertion point where you can install a light bar on.
Thanks for the info
Text: Thanks for including hi-rez shots. The curve on the D in the WOLED does show a little shadowing but the curve on the S in the QDOLED also shows some shadowing. Additionally, _all_ the characters on QDOLED show the color fringing. I've viewed both in person now and prefer the WOLED.
Coating: The magenta cast on the QDOLED and IPS-glow-like reflections really harm the experience.
Software: Never buy a Samsung monitor. The OSD is so annoying - locked controls, pop-ups on gaming mode you can't dismiss, and the _smart_ (read: bloat) experience all get in the way of normal usage.
I order my Asus OLED PG32UCDM and beside me i have my LG C1 with the V2 panel and it s just a dream !!!
how would you compare the two?
I feel like we have finally refined the old crt into a flatscreen form factor. I just bought the brand new Samsung G8 and I’m extremely excited to enjoy this panel.
Very helpful video. I'm going back and forth between LG OLED and QD-OLED, matte vs glossy, better blacks vs better colors.
whats the usual lighting situation and go from there
What about dirty grays? I cant use woled because they will artefact displaying gray/darker shades as I use dark mode in windows. Unsuable for proper desktop use for us nerds or heavy pc users that cant anymore use light mode.
And, almost no reviewer talks about the "dirty gray" issues. If they do they simply and quickly just mention it that is suffers from it but not anything else. Basically they just want to sell the products instead of educate us on eventual issues they may have.
Who cares about color accuracy lol 480Hz mode bro and no burn in warranty for $400 more is better because I'm shining my $2000 studio lights at monitor and I see the deep blacks in this case. lol
Just started playing cyberpunk for the first time.
Im using my new alienware 4k qdoled and a 4090
WOW
Hi Tim, would you be able to say which tech tends to emit more blue light in typical usage, or is the difference negligible? Thanks.
I'm on a lg c3 woled ngl I really can't notice anything more than the awesome blacks, pixel response times and hdr performance
42 inch TV (if thats what you have) is no the same as desktop use monitor for 60 cm depth desk. No matter what your excuses are. Its too big for FPS games and people who work with text need them to be sharper than 1080p comparable at this size as TV.
@@MrM-dl5zm I'm on a 55 and I use my pc as a console and don't play fps games do idc
@@Sidak_studioWell. I do. 32 inch is absolute max. for me. My desk size and I play a lot of FPS games. From cs, overwatch, cod even older games like left4dead2 or other types. And even for fps games I sometimes adjust monitor (bring it a little bit further back on monitor arm)
14:40 That shot tell me everything I want to know about WOLED vs QD-OLED (how we can talk about color accuracy when on qd-oled even reflection of white light for some reason become red)
We can talk about colour accuracy since the phenomenon you are referring to only occurs when the colour black is displayed in a high ambient light environment.
Very thorough and useful! Thank you!
both techs are amazing, but the color pop in QDOLED is the decisive factor for me
Great info, thank you!! I've been looking for something like this.
I will take the Glossy QD-OLED anyway over those horrible matte coating, I never liked matte coating and it's the main reason the best looking monitor I owned up until QD-OLED was an old Apple Cinema Display.
there is no "the matte" coating there are probably as many varients than oled monitor models out. Some old displays no doubt look bad but nowadays its fine. i own a TN panel and a cx oled.
@@Takashita_SukakokiI have seen matte OLED and Glossy OLED, the Glossy not only subjectively looks better but objectively looks better based on how light is scattered when passing through the coating.
There is no matte coating that can match the clarity and vibrancy of a glossy coating
@@kinghadu9611 you own a lg oled panel monitor based off woled? Overall the issue seems blown out of proportion most people had that 2002 lcd matte screen that look like it was coated in vaseline. i would take perfect black lvls in brighter conditions over magenta tint.
@@Takashita_SukakokiNothing is blown out of proportion, matte coating is like Vaseline smeared sh!t all over the screen.
@@kinghadu9611 dont know what screen you lookin at mate maybe visit doctor for that.
It still seems the middle layer of the QD-OLED screens is a bit more colorish than the WOLED, the QD-OLED with a bit of a light behind it somehow retains the light in the screen, never really rendering it completely black, at least if the environment around you isn't somewhat dark. It almost feels like it's got a matt finish to it, even though it doesn't, i hope they fix that in the near future.
W-OLED all the way. My Alienware 34 inch ultra wide had insane purple tinting when even the smallest amount of light was on it. My LG OLED has no such issue and is amazing.
because ultra wide is curved and bouncing light all over the place lol
I'm puzzled why this fact is being completely ignored. Absolutely EVERYWHERE where QD technology is involved, it gives a parasitic purple/magenta tint to the white color. In any video where monitors or TVs are compared side by side, one can immidiately spot the QD by it's lack of pure white colors. And no, this can't be solved by calibration.
@@andreypotapov8898 I'm puzzled why I can't see this purple tint? Oh yeah I forgot. I don't shine a sun light or studio light at my msi qd-oled monitor but for some people including you its out of boundary beyond any recognition obstacle to avoid this.
But hey at least a smeared oil vaseline look with washed out colors, no burn in warranty and $400 more LG is more pleasing at least because you can shine studio light and don't have any raised blacks/purple tint from panel lol.
LG nailed the coating. That QDOled matte coating looks terrible and still reflects sharper light 14:40
Unfortunately both option seems to have own problems.
I'll wait for more refined solutions...
People waited 10+ years for such a tech and its available. While you wait I hope you will be younger as well. Last year monitors was not that refined especially with text clarity or no burn in warranty but 2024 oled monitors are top shelves choices no matter what.
As a person who is 49 years old, I already waited more than 5 years for oled panel, which makes me very happy, because my investments grew multiple fold since 2017.
With the same figure, I could have bought one (which already very old tech) oled tv, I can now buy multiple of them.
It won't kill me to buy right product, either in later part of 2024 or in 2025.
I got no rush...
the qd oled needs a damn polorizer its so basic it hurts. Why they havent done it ... probably a technical issue...
@@ozanozkirmizi47$1000 is not life changing investment. I have been waiting 10+ years ti finally overcome motion ghosting have deep contrast and first oleds TV had that but they were burning like cakes in a oven. Nowadays we having Good Step in the right direction and these monitors really well perform.