Recently picked up an Alienware AW2725DF QD-OLED and I am blown away. The colors in HDR are amazing, and the motion clarity of 360hz OLED for gaming is wild.
@@Neucher I've seen a lot of complaints about people experiencing unusual eyestrain with this particular model. A concerning amount of them. Never noticed anything like that in the past three years I've been researching the OLED TV and monitor market.
I have just gotten the AOC Agon AG276QZD and I gotta say that I'm glad I didn't sell my old monitor. The brightness drops when having a large white surface are incredibly distracting. So my old Asos ROG Swift PG279Q does the main bit of work on the desktop. And then I use the OLED specifically for games and media consumption and keeps a black background on it and have the taskbar automatically hide to avoid burn-in of any desktop elements. I have my computer next to a large window. So to me a matte WOLED was definitely the right choice. And I don't see myself ever getting a glossy monitor.
I am considering buying that monitor, how does it perform with dark mode applications? Any dirty screen effect like 15:30? Would you recommend over QD-oled?
I love the way you guys are not cracking jokes when you're talking about tech you respect the viewer enough to know that most are coming here to solve a problem and the last thing they wanna do is waste their time listening to someone being funny and egotistical god bless yall.. respecting a viewer is a lost artform these days.
Yep, this is what people don't understand. The brightness of the actual RGB subpixels is WAY HIGHER on QD-OLED where WOLED's brightness mostly comes from the white subpixel (washing out colors as well). Rtings and among other sites have ACTUAL RGB (and WRGB) brightness numbers listed and QD-OLED crushes WOLED in RGB brightness. This is a problem on WOLED TVs as well and actually an even bigger one, since VERY HIGH white brightness drowns RGB brightness even more (OLED TVs gets brighter than OLED monitors).
woled have been around long enough that windows should have a setting to improve text clarity for them and/or the monitors should have a driver to do that. This should be a non-issue by now.
This is not a Windows issue. MacOS doesn't even bother to have subpixel rendering. Some Linux distros that has this feature have the same issues as Windows. The OS cannot detect what the subpixel layout is. It's just not possible. In my opinion, we should not have OS code dedicated to specific hardware. Maybe a driver or something published by the screen manufacturer... But then again if you have multiple screens... It's not an easy problem to solve. That's why it isn't solved. Time has nothing to do with it.
@@BurakBagdatli Subpixel layout could be determined from Edid info and a lookup table. Windows has no trouble telling me the make and model of my monitors. So just like it looks for drivers on new hardware, it could look for the subpixel layout and set the proper render algo.
@@BurakBagdatli The info is provided by the display info. Windows just doesn't use it. Subpixel layout is part of the edid info most modern monitors provide. If more info is needed it could done by looking up the make/model of the monitor (like how windows looks up most new devices it doesn't recognize).
Built a new pc and wanted to upgrade my monitor from a 1440p 165hz IPS monitor. After doing some research, I ordered an AW2725DF. The better text quality and higher refresh rate sold it for me (more future proof). I'm looking forward to trying it out. Cheers for the information mate.
If you buy OLED for daytime viewing you are stupid to begin with. OLED needs dim or turned off light to sh1t on LCD and QD-OLED stomps WOLED with ease in a scenario like that. Also you only see it when viewing from an angle which you won't when actually using it. LG WOLED has black crush meaning massive loss of detail in dark scenes, QD-OLED dont. Sony uses QD-OLED for flagship OLED TV lineup for a reason, and WOLED for mid-end.
7:42. Odd how he says qd oled gets 50 nits brighter in these scenes when the 27gr95qe is sitting 50 nits brighter than the brightest qd oled on his own chart.
@@Dr.WhetFartsFilthy casual who likes keeping their nose 10 inch away from their 45'' screen. But keep playing beta tester until we receive high PPI OLEDs
My AW 21:9 OLED is light years ahead of my older 100Hz IPS. I know I could have waited for this gen of OLED panels but I got it for $750 with free shipping from Dell so hey I have no complaints lol. and I am thinking of putting the older one above the new one for Music mixing but I don't know if I want to deal with that lol. I love the videos you do and I have learned a lot.🤘🤘🤘
Tim, let me suggest something when reviewing monitors. Color gamut testing is good, no doubt. But can we please have the spectrum of emitted light when looking at a white screen (white color or My Computer opened)? While the emitted light from the sun is rich in all colors of the spectrum, most monitors have low red, yellow and green while a huuuuge spike in blue color. This messes with the eyes and brain and should be thoroughly investigated in my humble opinion. Think you can onboard a light spectrometer for this? Or you may have a more clever idea... I leave this up to you. Regards!
Can you discuss possible eye strain issues? I got the alienware 27 QD-OLED and couldn't take more than 20 minutes. I have a Dell XPS laptop with OLED, an OLED LG TV, and an OLED phone and never had a problem. I'm going to try WOLED next, waiting for the 480hz WOLED panels.
@@Racerchicken21 How long did you attempt using them ? When I first switched from TN to IPS (Current) I had eye strain for a couple of days but it went away and never came back. My next monitor will most likely be the 480HZ WOLED Panels, I know they supposedly have improved the text readability but the eye fatigue might be from something else ?
@@Racerchicken21 Damn, that sucks! I’m sensitive to PWM flicker (had to return a Samsung QN90B years ago for this reason), but thankfully I’ve had no eye strain issues with my Sony A90J (WOLED) or Alienware 3423DWF (QD-OLED) screens. OLEDs do flicker though, as they have regular, but small, brightness dips. Perhaps with enough time you’d be able to get used to it?
Is Dell Alienware AW2725DF also glossy coating? Actually I prefer matte coating since my windows is behind me and sunlight will comes in directly and create reflection even for my IPS screen. Not sure whether the market will be selling lower refresh rate QD-OLED display like 144Hz/165Hz, so that the price could be lower down a bit. For those users who plays more single player games rather than esports games....
I also have a window behind me. The anti-reflective ("glossy") coating on the AW3423DW does show a clear reflection but it's so much darker and also out of focus than on the matte coating on my S2721DGF that I can still read text perfectly fine. The matte LCD on the other hand is completely unusable unless I turn the brightness way up because all I see is a giant bright blob.
@@cl4ster17 Thanks for your reply🙏🙏. I see, so the anti-reflection is actually referring to the glossy coating👌 The reason I am asking is because I have noticed that when sunlight enters my room directly, I sometimes have difficulty seeing certain parts on my matte IPS display😅 But of course the brightness is low. The worse was the glossy display with my old laptop. If there is any light or sunlight, I only can see reflection and my eyes were really suffer, as well as it is hard for me to see the content from the display. That's why I prefer matter coating.😄 But it seems it is difference when it comes to OLED display...
@@HardyDimension Glossy displays generally have an anti-reflective coating that just tries to reduce the reflected light as much as possible, some better than others (i.e. Galaxy S24 Ultra vs. other phones). Matte displays are anti-glare. They typically work by dispersing the light over a larger area.
@@HardyDimension There's just too many variables to give a definitve answer. I would honestly just try out the AW2725DF and see how you like the glossy coating. Otherwise return it and get a matte one. In my situation, glossy OLED is better. Yes, contrast suffers during day time but text remains readable.
Picked up a QD-OLED after I saw all of the hype around it. I gotta say it's 1000% worth it. Watching HDR content in the dark and I was literally squinting because it was so bright and vibrant.
That text clarity/ subpixel comparison was great information! And it confirmed the guess I had with the 4k WOLED vs QDOLED video. I vastly prefer the text rendering on the WOLED monitors, compared to the QDOLED. The pink and green artifacts look so much worse to my eyes as the softer, shadow-y edges of the WOLED. But yeah I do in fact really, REALLY hate chromatic abberation effects in games as well :D
The LG WOLED flagship level Monitors are coming out with a rearranged RGWB pixel layout that is supposed to greatly improve text clarity. If text clarity has improved as much as they indicate, I will be buying a new 1440p, 480Hz WOLED Monitor when they come out later this year, for work and gaming.
You can actually avoid that by forcing greyscale based text rendering (which will still be perceptibly softer than subpixel text rendering, but will not bear any noticeable colour fringing).
OLED monitors and HDR tech in general is great and I like my LG27GR95QE, but it's also important to note that HDR is often poorly implemented in games. Sometimes there is no native HDR implementation at all. On many occasions you just have to hope that the HDR presentation in an SDR container is good enough for the game. Although modding can help, like with the Starfield neutral LUTs nexus mod combined with Special K HDR injection, which looks fantastic. I guess Nvidia's RTX HDR is also a step forward for as well, but I personally haven't tested it (Radeon user).
rtx hdr is amazing, it is better than many hdr native in games. still in beta so i do not recommend anyone get into it yet. hopefully amd does the same thing soon.
@@zebobm Ok Got it.. I just ordered one AW3423DWF, It’ll be my first experience gaming with Ultrawide. Alienware offers 3 years warranty with coverage for burnin.. other brands don’t offer it.
I think you guys need to go into further testing with your input lags, as Rtings found the MSI 271QRX to have bad input lag at lower refresh rates. You shouldn’t just post the max refresh rate result as most people won’t even be able to sustain 360 most times.
I can't believe you made this without mentioning the updated LG model at all (27GS95QE). A lot of it wouldn't change but the new model gets significantly brighter
Kind of surprised as well why last year's LG model is being used as a reference vs the newer 27GS95QE model that has already been out there and reviewed by RTings. I have both types of OLED monitor and the biggest difference is with text rendering and screen coating. Brightness isn't that much perceivably different and HDR is pretty close as well re WOLED vs QDOLED imho
I had the LG 27GS95QE for 3 days and did NOT like the colors in HDR. My QD OLED AW3423DW is miles better in colors in both SDR and HDR. I ended up returning the 27GS
@@xxchanhonamxx depends on how powerful a system you have. If you got a top end GPU and CPU go for the 360hz that's what I wanted actually but if not and your system can't do those kind of frames then 240hz could be good enough. However even if you can't push the higher frames you do get somewhat faster response times with 360hz vs 240hz so that might be worth it
10:02 On WOLED panel this G from Google looks way better than on QD OLED. 11:22 Even white is not "white" but have this pink/green tint on QD OLED. Where WOLED is normal white.
I have the LG 39gs95qe and the hdr actually blows qd oled out of the water. Im now currently experimenting with hdr on msi mag341cqp and it looks good but white highlights arent there since qd only pushes color vibrancy and highlights is what makes the image pop out of the screen in my experience whic lg woled does a way better job. Maybe its the screen size idk but its way better.
WOLED has much worse near-black performance though. Especially LG after getting their gaming WOLED (48GQ900) I would say they have no idea what word 'image quality' even means. Just throws more black crush and other nonsense until image looks good for shops and call it a day. Also don't get me started on ABL...
@@e8root I retract my statement. I now have tried the aw3423dw and the hdr is out of this world better! Somehow the first QD OLED to ever hit the market is looking better than the other ones I've tested!
Nice vid! Does this "red" effect disappear when you turn on monitor ? Tell me pls wich monitor best to buy MSI MPG 271QRX QD-OLED or ASUS ROG Strix OLED XG27AQDMG ?
The blue light in a QD display would wear out faster than the other two subpixels because it's the one driving the light. But in a WOLED The driving light is the white OLED and the three primary colors are used relatively evenly. Has there been any research on color degradation over time on qd?
I had a 27gs95qe and a 271qrx and qd oled at 1440p is just drastically superior. Games with small detail like building and stuff in warzone at range look like they are at a lower resolution on the woled due to the coating blurring them and the blue/green haloing woled has around yellow/orange/beige things on screen. HDR doesn't even have a noticeable difference vs SDR hardly on the WOLEDs. Highlights pop a ton more on the qdoled in hdr.
Hey I don't mean to be a pain but could you help me decide on which Monitor to go with between: AOC Agon PRO AG276QZD 27" OLED Tournament Gaming Monitor and ASUS ROG Swift 27”1440P OLED DSC Gaming Monitor?
I'm not sure which would be the best option for games? LG 27GS95QE or ASUS XG27AQDMG or Samsung G60SD? and in your opinion in general, which one is better?
As an owner of a 1440 WOLED I say go to QD-OLED. Not because of the bs clarity claims, the semi matte is just fine next to my C1 but the reason I am moving is screen uniformity..WOLED depending on your luck have anywhere from bad to horrible uniformity that shows in near dark scenarios. Helldivers 2 shows a lot of vertical banding during darker scenes with smoke. QD-OLED doesn't have this issue nearly as bad. I am just torn on sticking to 16:9 or waiting for third gen QD-OLED ultrawides rumoured for later this year.
Might be wishful ask, but I'm looking for 27" 4k display. Is there any option, are looking to cover any display of these specifications? 27" covers a lot of workspace/office applications
Would love to see a comparison of 1440p vs 4K OLED next, as that generally isn't covered, but it would be interesting to see what the added PPI and resolution brings, both in productivity and gaming.
To be honest I'm a bit shocked that people on this channel are defending QD Oled. okay for me chromatic aberration is terrible, that's my problem, but when your monitor shows PHYOLETIC instead of gray (and black btw). are you people ok? the only plus of qd is the glossy coating, matte ones should die out.
Hello, you’re the first person I’ve seen mention this. Can you go into a bit more detail into how QD-OLED does not show gray and black? I can’t find much on it online. Thanks!
People looking to buy an OLED gaming monitor should be planning on using it in a dark room. Your complaint is silly. Are you also gonna complain about a Lamborghini car not being offroad capable? If you game in a bight room then just don't buy a QD-OLED panel. For the rest of us let us enjoy the far superior color brightness/volume in our dark rooms. It makes no sense to even buy OLED monitors or TV's if you plan on puttin them in a bright room. Get a good LED and be done with it.
I bought QD-OLED, because those monitors came out first and dropped further in price. The tech is so good that i wouldnt sweat anything outside of price.
There appeared to be a noticeable magenta cast on the MSI panel during the low light testing. Granted, it's a UA-cam video, but I keep my monitor pretty well calibrated and there didn't appear to be a color cast of the other monitor in the same image.
in SDR the qd oled brightness is MUCH better. To get my ideal brightness I need around 60% on WOLED, vs 20% on QD. This has been roughly the same across all the monitors ive tested so far (27gs95qe, 32gs95ue, aw3225qf, aw2725df, xg27dng)
I'm waiting for the 480Hz W-OLED I think.. But right now the QD-OLED seems better. Is there any information regarding the 480Hz W-OLED that points to better text? Will they beat the QD-OLED?
So Woled s light is coming from the white light pixel through the screen and the light in qd oled comes from blue light and it has rgb pixels without white pixels. So it s more colour accurate. But it s screen is warmer in colour shades comparing to Woled. Why? So which is more accurate? Both panel type is calibrated from the company, but still the first has warmer colours than the other one, but it cant be because of the reason mentioned upper. Can you explain it more pls? If i set it up to colder colour preset it wont be colour accurate, am i right? 2nd question- Why is qd oled warmer when the light is coming from blue light and it has rgb pixels so the panels colours must be cooler and not warmer... Why is it the opposite???
Hey monitors unboxed can you cover why the qd oleds brightness is higher in hdr400 compared to hdr1000 in bright scenes. It's a pretty big issue to the point hdr1000 is useless as it's so dim in bright scenes tft central reported on this issue
If you’d manage I’d love to watch videos about oled/hdr in hdr on UA-cam. I know UA-cam’s tone mapping to SDR isn’t the greatest but for those who have good HDR-capable screens, it would mean the world. Also great video 👍
@@GrainGrown Ca u give me reason why though? Since quantum dots convert the blue light into the required color there really doesn't seem to be intuitive reason as why that should be the case. Furthermore, WOLED has the white subpixel which always emits ~1/3 blue when it's on. And it brighter content it has to be on this is also the reason why WOLED can has worse color volume compared to QD at higher britghtness. I guess the question if any and potentially how much blue light actually leaks "around" the quantum dots and doesn't get converted. Because in the perfect world I think that QD-OLED should actually emit less blue light.
I think it's worth noting that the purplish hue of the QD-OLEDs is significantly more visible on camera than in person. In turn, the 'on camera' side-by-side comparison is misleading
@@xythiera7255 360hz oled still aren't available in Turkiye, it was for a week and the one i bought had 5 dead pixels so i refunded it. I have a 4090 and i am waiting for 480hz oleds because i already forced to wait for 360hz oleds. Asus usually releases their products at the same time as world in Turkiye, MSI doesn't.
It's a shame there aren't glossy woled panels for comparison because it's not really apples to apples. Qd-oled raised blacks is inherent to the panel design, whereas matte grain on the lg isn't anything to do with the panel, just a choice by lg to apple the coating source. Some people are obviously just more sensitive to the grainy image, although if you look at up-close sub pixel, you can see how mushy the matte coating makes it look.
@@veilmontTV in dark room sure. monitor near a window nah. Owned both and im liking the matte woled more. Sure colors were better on the qd oled but you have to pick your poison :D
Colors on QD-OLED are amazing, makes HDR really pop. WOLED looks washed out in terms of colors when you have seen QD-OLED. LG needs to find a way to improve color volume. It is very obvious that colors are vastly better on QD-OLED. Have both WOLED and QD-OLED myself.
Well tomorrow i am getting my Gigabyte Aorus F027Q2 27 QD-OLED screen and i am very curious. I hope the text will be no issue as i use my screen half for browsing and other half for gaming and watching YT. Currently owning a 27 inch 165hz IPS gaming monitor with G-Sync and i am very satisfied. But i want my 4080 super to work a little harder. Hope the purchase is going to be good. Paying 549€ so about 600$ and getting 20€ voucher for steam. This monitor is cheaper then most Woled monitors. The next one would have been the Asus woled monitor. But it costs 120€ more and has no 3 years burn in warranty.
What people don't talk about is that even though qdoled has more colors a lot of the time they're inaccurate because the original content wasn't meant to have those colors which is why a lot of things look over saturated, also woled has better natural lighting effects in games/videos because of the of the white sub pixel qd OLED is better at neons because of the oversaturation.
Except for some HDR instances and Text (which can be "fixed" or at least made none annyoing) I do prefer WOLED as well. Coming from a 1080p 27" Display.. the Text is still WAY sharper even compared to my 2nd 24" 1080p I find the 1440p 26.5" WOLED to be clearer Stock. And after "fixing" the fringing a bit with MacType.. Im happy. And HDR is still fine just "not as good" as new QD ones. I went with the 27GS95QX. :)
For the love of god, we are all not rich, the MSI MAG 321UP QD-OLED (780) is massively cheaper than the MPG 321URX (1200) but still hits 165 Hz at 4k which is enough. Plus the 27 inch 240 hz is enough so the MSI MAG 271QPX is cheaper then the expensive MSI MPG 271QRX. Please review these monitors and stop pushing the very expensive ones.
Yeah. I agree. I just bought the fo27q2(same idea as Mag 271MQRX E2) 240hz monitor for only 570 usd on Black Friday. It’ll serve me perfectly fine because I only really play cod and single player games and I’m on Xbox rn. I will upgrade to pc but even the 4090 rn dosnt get above 240fps in cod at 1440p ultra so 360 is just not applicable to me. And the biggest reason is I can’t afford the 800ish plus of the 360hz panels
I prefer the WOLED technology over QD-OLED, simply because it starts from a pure white light, unlike the QD-OLEDs which emit blue light and convert it to other wavelengths. I can't stand blue light and monitors with a blue tint so if any light would bleed between the pixels, I'd 100% prefer it to be white and not blue.
We already had that and it is called Cathode Ray Tube technology, CRT for short. No, I am not joking - on CRTs there was zero difference between image moving and being static.
The most important question is will it last more than 1-2 years of heavy use, or will I have to throw an expensive monitor away after only a couple of years?..
I would rather have to keep making sure my rooms have blackout curtains and ensure I have as much light snuffed out as possible to get a great picture than dealing with the smeary mess of the mate finish. Get a 1440p panel with that on it makes it look like 1080p imo
I wish you'd go into anti-burn-in features. A lot of monitors have very obnoxious ones that they won't let you turn off. Also, you should really show input lag at other refresh rates.
Tim is really enjoying the qd v woled shinanigans.
so do a lot of us lol :)
It's the new console wars, but OLED wars. Bring on competition though.
it makes money, like the whole amd v nvidia videos on HU
Like discussing difference of two eggs that look alike :)
Recently picked up an Alienware AW2725DF QD-OLED and I am blown away. The colors in HDR are amazing, and the motion clarity of 360hz OLED for gaming is wild.
Any eyestrain?
@@juanblanco7898 Not that I have noticed. HDR is brighter than I was expecting, it looks amazing but took some getting used to in a dark room.
@@juanblanco7898why
@@Neucher I've seen a lot of complaints about people experiencing unusual eyestrain with this particular model. A concerning amount of them. Never noticed anything like that in the past three years I've been researching the OLED TV and monitor market.
@@NeucherIt uses PWM
the way your hoodie strings fall over your logo reminds me of the Black Ops 4 symbol and I am physically incapable of seeing otherwise
Same here!
true
@@Chillax1984 yeah it's mostly in the shape of the bo4 symbol tho so that's why i see that
I had to do a double take to see if I was seeing the blops 4 logo as well haha
haha I thought I was the only one
I have just gotten the AOC Agon AG276QZD and I gotta say that I'm glad I didn't sell my old monitor. The brightness drops when having a large white surface are incredibly distracting. So my old Asos ROG Swift PG279Q does the main bit of work on the desktop. And then I use the OLED specifically for games and media consumption and keeps a black background on it and have the taskbar automatically hide to avoid burn-in of any desktop elements. I have my computer next to a large window. So to me a matte WOLED was definitely the right choice. And I don't see myself ever getting a glossy monitor.
Exactly.
Have you updated the firmware of the AG276QZD?
doesnt like his oled monitor but says he made the right choice lmfao
just got my LG WOLED the other day. it's awesome!
I am considering buying that monitor, how does it perform with dark mode applications? Any dirty screen effect like 15:30? Would you recommend over QD-oled?
@@captgeoff0713I bought it today don’t buy it all lg panels are trash take the qd Oled
Just got mine too,,, returning it and getting a QDOLED
World class videos, seriously. Keep it up, and thank you.
I love the way you guys are not cracking jokes when you're talking about tech
you respect the viewer enough to know that most are coming here to solve a problem
and the last thing they wanna do is waste their time listening to someone being funny and egotistical
god bless yall.. respecting a viewer is a lost artform these days.
Yep.
*cough* the display guy *cough*
@@thepadster123that youtuber is so unprofessional I think only kids follow him
Modern equivalent of put the fries in the bag bro lmao but you’re so right, crazy how rare this is nowadays to be praised
QD-OLEDs color volume and color brightness is class leading and visible even on a 1000 nits display, like the monitor panels are.
Yep, this is what people don't understand. The brightness of the actual RGB subpixels is WAY HIGHER on QD-OLED where WOLED's brightness mostly comes from the white subpixel (washing out colors as well). Rtings and among other sites have ACTUAL RGB (and WRGB) brightness numbers listed and QD-OLED crushes WOLED in RGB brightness. This is a problem on WOLED TVs as well and actually an even bigger one, since VERY HIGH white brightness drowns RGB brightness even more (OLED TVs gets brighter than OLED monitors).
I'll take it over the purple hue QD-OLED's deliver when not placed in a dark basement.
@@Jeroenneman overblown issue. It looks bad on camera but not as bad in real conditions
@Jeroenneman stop being so dramatic. It's not issue at all.
@@Jeroenneman you scared of the dark?
woled have been around long enough that windows should have a setting to improve text clarity for them and/or the monitors should have a driver to do that. This should be a non-issue by now.
This is not a Windows issue. MacOS doesn't even bother to have subpixel rendering. Some Linux distros that has this feature have the same issues as Windows.
The OS cannot detect what the subpixel layout is. It's just not possible. In my opinion, we should not have OS code dedicated to specific hardware. Maybe a driver or something published by the screen manufacturer... But then again if you have multiple screens... It's not an easy problem to solve. That's why it isn't solved. Time has nothing to do with it.
@@BurakBagdatli Subpixel layout could be determined from Edid info and a lookup table. Windows has no trouble telling me the make and model of my monitors. So just like it looks for drivers on new hardware, it could look for the subpixel layout and set the proper render algo.
@@BurakBagdatli The info is provided by the display info. Windows just doesn't use it. Subpixel layout is part of the edid info most modern monitors provide. If more info is needed it could done by looking up the make/model of the monitor (like how windows looks up most new devices it doesn't recognize).
Built a new pc and wanted to upgrade my monitor from a 1440p 165hz IPS monitor. After doing some research, I ordered an AW2725DF. The better text quality and higher refresh rate sold it for me (more future proof). I'm looking forward to trying it out. Cheers for the information mate.
is the difference big between it? I have a great LCD IPS 165hz 1440p monitor, but I don't know if OLED would make a significant difference.
bought the OLED and tested it for 2 months. the difference? DAY AND NIGHT.
1:34 That ugly purple haze that qdoled has in its blacks immediately caused me to lean to oled.
Yep, the infamous QD magenta tint is there in every side-by-side comparison. Every. Single. Time.
I'll never be able to unsee that, but thank you for pointing that out
This is what makes it pretty much unuseable for me in the daytime. It looks horrible.
If you buy OLED for daytime viewing you are stupid to begin with. OLED needs dim or turned off light to sh1t on LCD and QD-OLED stomps WOLED with ease in a scenario like that. Also you only see it when viewing from an angle which you won't when actually using it. LG WOLED has black crush meaning massive loss of detail in dark scenes, QD-OLED dont. Sony uses QD-OLED for flagship OLED TV lineup for a reason, and WOLED for mid-end.
@@andreypotapov8898 scared of the dark?
I have a aw2725df and it beats my C2. It has a lot more colour vibrancy and it's not far off of the G3, it looks amazing.
Thanks for this comprehensive comparo. Very helpful.
7:42. Odd how he says qd oled gets 50 nits brighter in these scenes when the 27gr95qe is sitting 50 nits brighter than the brightest qd oled on his own chart.
Will you review the LG-27GS95QE?
thanks very much for enlighten my mind and my choices.
keep showing the best Oled panel technology cause you the best one
Are there any 27" 4K OLED panels coming? I've noticed they're all 32".
Nope, won't sell since its mostly pointless and you need massive scaling in programs. Sweet spot for 4K/UHD is 32 inch
@@Dr.WhetFarts Mostly pointless? If I wanted a TV, I'd buy something bigger than 32", sir.
@@Dr.WhetFartsYou must be blind if you dont notice the difference between 4k and 1440p on a 27 inch monitor
@@michalsvihla1403and yeah we will get 27 inch panels from LG in the future
@@Dr.WhetFartsFilthy casual who likes keeping their nose 10 inch away from their 45'' screen. But keep playing beta tester until we receive high PPI OLEDs
How about energy consumption?
Thanks for the clear description of the differences between WOLED and QD OLED. Very informative.
WHICH ONE performs better in dark scenes in gaming, steve????
Qd oled
@@cobra14812w-oled have better blacks
My AW 21:9 OLED is light years ahead of my older 100Hz IPS. I know I could have waited for this gen of OLED panels but I got it for $750 with free shipping from Dell so hey I have no complaints lol. and I am thinking of putting the older one above the new one for Music mixing but I don't know if I want to deal with that lol. I love the videos you do and I have learned a lot.🤘🤘🤘
Tim, let me suggest something when reviewing monitors. Color gamut testing is good, no doubt. But can we please have the spectrum of emitted light when looking at a white screen (white color or My Computer opened)?
While the emitted light from the sun is rich in all colors of the spectrum, most monitors have low red, yellow and green while a huuuuge spike in blue color. This messes with the eyes and brain and should be thoroughly investigated in my humble opinion.
Think you can onboard a light spectrometer for this? Or you may have a more clever idea...
I leave this up to you.
Regards!
Holy... why haven't I already subscribed to this channel when I am subscribed to Hardware Unboxed.
Didn't RTINGS say that QD OLED has a much faster burn in than WOLED? I was just wondering from your testing, which one has a faster burn in ?
Can you discuss possible eye strain issues? I got the alienware 27 QD-OLED and couldn't take more than 20 minutes. I have a Dell XPS laptop with OLED, an OLED LG TV, and an OLED phone and never had a problem. I'm going to try WOLED next, waiting for the 480hz WOLED panels.
any updates?
@@KEY-pt1oc I tried QD and Woled and both made my eyes hurt so bad. Went to a traditional asus 360hz 1440p ips and was fine.
@@Racerchicken21 How long did you attempt using them ?
When I first switched from TN to IPS (Current) I had eye strain for a couple of days but it went away and never came back. My next monitor will most likely be the 480HZ WOLED Panels, I know they supposedly have improved the text readability but the eye fatigue might be from something else ?
@@obviouslee1949Tried a few hours for 2-3 days
@@Racerchicken21 Damn, that sucks! I’m sensitive to PWM flicker (had to return a Samsung QN90B years ago for this reason), but thankfully I’ve had no eye strain issues with my Sony A90J (WOLED) or Alienware 3423DWF (QD-OLED) screens. OLEDs do flicker though, as they have regular, but small, brightness dips. Perhaps with enough time you’d be able to get used to it?
Tim have you concidered making a video explaining with examples various diaplay artifacts and why they happen, and same with settings in games
Tim would you say that the qd oled have more blue light than the woled which can lead to more eyes strain ?
Is Dell Alienware AW2725DF also glossy coating? Actually I prefer matte coating since my windows is behind me and sunlight will comes in directly and create reflection even for my IPS screen.
Not sure whether the market will be selling lower refresh rate QD-OLED display like 144Hz/165Hz, so that the price could be lower down a bit.
For those users who plays more single player games rather than esports games....
I also have a window behind me. The anti-reflective ("glossy") coating on the AW3423DW does show a clear reflection but it's so much darker and also out of focus than on the matte coating on my S2721DGF that I can still read text perfectly fine. The matte LCD on the other hand is completely unusable unless I turn the brightness way up because all I see is a giant bright blob.
@@cl4ster17 Thanks for your reply🙏🙏.
I see, so the anti-reflection is actually referring to the glossy coating👌
The reason I am asking is because I have noticed that when sunlight enters my room directly, I sometimes have difficulty seeing certain parts on my matte IPS display😅 But of course the brightness is low.
The worse was the glossy display with my old laptop. If there is any light or sunlight, I only can see reflection and my eyes were really suffer, as well as it is hard for me to see the content from the display. That's why I prefer matter coating.😄 But it seems it is difference when it comes to OLED display...
@@HardyDimension
Glossy displays generally have an anti-reflective coating that just tries to reduce the reflected light as much as possible, some better than others (i.e. Galaxy S24 Ultra vs. other phones).
Matte displays are anti-glare. They typically work by dispersing the light over a larger area.
@@cl4ster17 Ok, meaning we don't need to worry about whether it is glossy or matte when comes to OLED, right? If not really particular on that...
@@HardyDimension
There's just too many variables to give a definitve answer.
I would honestly just try out the AW2725DF and see how you like the glossy coating.
Otherwise return it and get a matte one.
In my situation, glossy OLED is better. Yes, contrast suffers during day time but text remains readable.
Picked up a QD-OLED after I saw all of the hype around it. I gotta say it's 1000% worth it. Watching HDR content in the dark and I was literally squinting because it was so bright and vibrant.
Excellent video. All I need now is a 4K 40"-42" QD-OLED.
Superb video thanks for sharing
That text clarity/ subpixel comparison was great information! And it confirmed the guess I had with the 4k WOLED vs QDOLED video. I vastly prefer the text rendering on the WOLED monitors, compared to the QDOLED. The pink and green artifacts look so much worse to my eyes as the softer, shadow-y edges of the WOLED.
But yeah I do in fact really, REALLY hate chromatic abberation effects in games as well :D
The LG WOLED flagship level Monitors are coming out with a rearranged RGWB pixel layout that is supposed to greatly improve text clarity. If text clarity has improved as much as they indicate, I will be buying a new 1440p, 480Hz WOLED Monitor when they come out later this year, for work and gaming.
You can actually avoid that by forcing greyscale based text rendering (which will still be perceptibly softer than subpixel text rendering, but will not bear any noticeable colour fringing).
@@MLWJ1993 bullshit :D None of it works prior to gen 3 WOLED Panels...
OLED monitors and HDR tech in general is great and I like my LG27GR95QE, but it's also important to note that HDR is often poorly implemented in games. Sometimes there is no native HDR implementation at all.
On many occasions you just have to hope that the HDR presentation in an SDR container is good enough for the game. Although modding can help, like with the Starfield neutral LUTs nexus mod combined with Special K HDR injection, which looks fantastic. I guess Nvidia's RTX HDR is also a step forward for as well, but I personally haven't tested it (Radeon user).
rtx hdr is amazing, it is better than many hdr native in games. still in beta so i do not recommend anyone get into it yet.
hopefully amd does the same thing soon.
Now Mini led test Tim?
There are 0 mini led on the market to compair to Woled or WD-OLED
@@xythiera7255 Did I say compare with Oled?
@@xythiera7255 Did I say compare with Oled?
@@xythiera7255t
Redmi g pro miniled
I want a qd-oled one but ultrawide. Is one out yet?
MSI MPG 491CQP 32:9, MSI MAG 341CQP 21:9
Alienware AW3423DWF the best Ultrawide monitor by HU and Rtings
Many.
@@Samukr. I'm talking about the latest generation of QD-OLED presented here with the pixel layout for better text.
@@zebobm Ok Got it.. I just ordered one AW3423DWF, It’ll be my first experience gaming with Ultrawide. Alienware offers 3 years warranty with coverage for burnin.. other brands don’t offer it.
I think you guys need to go into further testing with your input lags, as Rtings found the MSI 271QRX to have bad input lag at lower refresh rates. You shouldn’t just post the max refresh rate result as most people won’t even be able to sustain 360 most times.
thank god I got the Alienware
Is this only an issue if you dont display the monitor at 360hz or if u dont hit 360+ fps in games?
@@Chicken-o5e360hz.
is this still true? don't see anything about this on rtings. They gave it a 9.9 for response time. Maybe it was fixed with a firmware update?
I can't believe you made this without mentioning the updated LG model at all (27GS95QE). A lot of it wouldn't change but the new model gets significantly brighter
Yeah. With the higher brightness, you can see more clearly how much worse it is than QD-OLED.
Kind of surprised as well why last year's LG model is being used as a reference vs the newer 27GS95QE model that has already been out there and reviewed by RTings. I have both types of OLED monitor and the biggest difference is with text rendering and screen coating. Brightness isn't that much perceivably different and HDR is pretty close as well re WOLED vs QDOLED imho
Would you buy 240hz over 360hz for the same price though?
I had the LG 27GS95QE for 3 days and did NOT like the colors in HDR. My QD OLED AW3423DW is miles better in colors in both SDR and HDR.
I ended up returning the 27GS
@@xxchanhonamxx depends on how powerful a system you have. If you got a top end GPU and CPU go for the 360hz that's what I wanted actually but if not and your system can't do those kind of frames then 240hz could be good enough. However even if you can't push the higher frames you do get somewhat faster response times with 360hz vs 240hz so that might be worth it
10:02 On WOLED panel this G from Google looks way better than on QD OLED.
11:22 Even white is not "white" but have this pink/green tint on QD OLED. Where WOLED is normal white.
I see the red tint on the QD-OLED panels. Weird how many people don't see it.
I have the LG 39gs95qe and the hdr actually blows qd oled out of the water. Im now currently experimenting with hdr on msi mag341cqp and it looks good but white highlights arent there since qd only pushes color vibrancy and highlights is what makes the image pop out of the screen in my experience whic lg woled does a way better job. Maybe its the screen size idk but its way better.
WOLED has much worse near-black performance though. Especially LG after getting their gaming WOLED (48GQ900) I would say they have no idea what word 'image quality' even means. Just throws more black crush and other nonsense until image looks good for shops and call it a day. Also don't get me started on ABL...
@@e8root I retract my statement. I now have tried the aw3423dw and the hdr is out of this world better! Somehow the first QD OLED to ever hit the market is looking better than the other ones I've tested!
Nice vid!
Does this "red" effect disappear when you turn on monitor ?
Tell me pls wich monitor best to buy MSI MPG 271QRX QD-OLED or ASUS ROG Strix OLED XG27AQDMG ?
Does woled have same problems with shadows fringing with g-sync as qd oleds? Or its completely model dependent?
The blue light in a QD display would wear out faster than the other two subpixels because it's the one driving the light. But in a WOLED The driving light is the white OLED and the three primary colors are used relatively evenly. Has there been any research on color degradation over time on qd?
Tim, do you think that problems, such as text clarity (mainly) and burn-in, would get better/fixed the more these panels mature over the years? Thanks
I had a 27gs95qe and a 271qrx and qd oled at 1440p is just drastically superior. Games with small detail like building and stuff in warzone at range look like they are at a lower resolution on the woled due to the coating blurring them and the blue/green haloing woled has around yellow/orange/beige things on screen. HDR doesn't even have a noticeable difference vs SDR hardly on the WOLEDs. Highlights pop a ton more on the qdoled in hdr.
the pg27aqdp have a scene light issue
The dirty screen effect is noticeable on QD-OLED as well
Dirty screen is caused by bad matte coating and Qd Oled is not matte.
@@20puskinas1992LG tvs also have it lol
@@20puskinas1992 "Dirty screen is caused by bad matte coating"
No, it's not.
@@20puskinas1992 lol no it's not OLED TV's have the same issue and those are glossy besides the s95d by Samsung,
5% grey is the worst and it's worse than woled
Hey I don't mean to be a pain but could you help me decide on which Monitor to go with between: AOC Agon PRO AG276QZD 27" OLED Tournament Gaming Monitor and ASUS ROG Swift 27”1440P OLED DSC Gaming Monitor?
I'm not sure which would be the best option for games? LG 27GS95QE or ASUS XG27AQDMG or Samsung G60SD? and in your opinion in general, which one is better?
Great video, Thanks Tim!
so both WOLED and QD OLED outperform traditional oled because of the same color emitter? No uneven wear?
Now that Asus has released its PG27AQDP with 480Hz it would be interesting to see how these technologies stack up against each other
Is there a noteworthy different in power usage?
As an owner of a 1440 WOLED I say go to QD-OLED. Not because of the bs clarity claims, the semi matte is just fine next to my C1 but the reason I am moving is screen uniformity..WOLED depending on your luck have anywhere from bad to horrible uniformity that shows in near dark scenarios. Helldivers 2 shows a lot of vertical banding during darker scenes with smoke.
QD-OLED doesn't have this issue nearly as bad.
I am just torn on sticking to 16:9 or waiting for third gen QD-OLED ultrawides rumoured for later this year.
Great video Tim!
Might be wishful ask, but I'm looking for 27" 4k display. Is there any option, are looking to cover any display of these specifications? 27" covers a lot of workspace/office applications
If you want an OLED you're out of luck as it doesn't exist yet.
Would love to see a comparison of 1440p vs 4K OLED next, as that generally isn't covered, but it would be interesting to see what the added PPI and resolution brings, both in productivity and gaming.
can you do firmware update 1.06 for corsair 27 oled ?
To be honest I'm a bit shocked that people on this channel are defending QD Oled.
okay for me chromatic aberration is terrible, that's my problem, but when your monitor shows PHYOLETIC instead of gray (and black btw). are you people ok?
the only plus of qd is the glossy coating, matte ones should die out.
fuсkng agree
yup
Hello, you’re the first person I’ve seen mention this. Can you go into a bit more detail into how QD-OLED does not show gray and black? I can’t find much on it online. Thanks!
People looking to buy an OLED gaming monitor should be planning on using it in a dark room. Your complaint is silly. Are you also gonna complain about a Lamborghini car not being offroad capable? If you game in a bight room then just don't buy a QD-OLED panel. For the rest of us let us enjoy the far superior color brightness/volume in our dark rooms.
It makes no sense to even buy OLED monitors or TV's if you plan on puttin them in a bright room. Get a good LED and be done with it.
Nope, matte coating is better.
I bought QD-OLED, because those monitors came out first and dropped further in price.
The tech is so good that i wouldnt sweat anything outside of price.
There appeared to be a noticeable magenta cast on the MSI panel during the low light testing. Granted, it's a UA-cam video, but I keep my monitor pretty well calibrated and there didn't appear to be a color cast of the other monitor in the same image.
that's the coating and can't be calibrated lol
Would a matte screen protector solve qd oled’s purple color problem?
I've had the same question for quite a while
Hi, when will you test new LG 27inch 360hz :D
5:40 Cracked at Fortnite
Hello, can u tell me, the best 27" 240Hz WGHD OLED Monitor in your opinion? Please
You have a great smile! Brightens the day :)
Incredible video!!!
in SDR the qd oled brightness is MUCH better. To get my ideal brightness I need around 60% on WOLED, vs 20% on QD. This has been roughly the same across all the monitors ive tested so far (27gs95qe, 32gs95ue, aw3225qf, aw2725df, xg27dng)
I'm waiting for the 480Hz W-OLED I think.. But right now the QD-OLED seems better.
Is there any information regarding the 480Hz W-OLED that points to better text? Will they beat the QD-OLED?
Now to wait for any to become available!
So Woled s light is coming from the white light pixel through the screen and the light in qd oled comes from blue light and it has rgb pixels without white pixels. So it s more colour accurate. But it s screen is warmer in colour shades comparing to Woled. Why? So which is more accurate? Both panel type is calibrated from the company, but still the first has warmer colours than the other one, but it cant be because of the reason mentioned upper. Can you explain it more pls? If i set it up to colder colour preset it wont be colour accurate, am i right?
2nd question- Why is qd oled warmer when the light is coming from blue light and it has rgb pixels so the panels colours must be cooler and not warmer... Why is it the opposite???
At the same white point, QD-OLEDs appear warmer on camera than WOLEDs.
What about LG 27GS95QE?
We need glossy WOLED!!!!
wonder if these oled monitor suffers any color banding
You really need to update your charts regarding the Corsair 27QHD240.
Hey monitors unboxed can you cover why the qd oleds brightness is higher in hdr400 compared to hdr1000 in bright scenes. It's a pretty big issue to the point hdr1000 is useless as it's so dim in bright scenes tft central reported on this issue
If you’d manage I’d love to watch videos about oled/hdr in hdr on UA-cam. I know UA-cam’s tone mapping to SDR isn’t the greatest but for those who have good HDR-capable screens, it would mean the world. Also great video 👍
Any opinions about Aorus FO27Q3 (27'' 360Hz 1440p)?
Where's the shortcut to the Legend perk in Kingdom's Legions?
Any idea which technology emits more blue light?
QD
QD-OLED of course the base of it is a blue light layer . W-OLED uses white light as base . Did you even see the video o.O
@@xythiera7255 Thanks for telling me that you have no idea how the technology actually works. Other than that your comment is absolutely worthless.
@@GrainGrown Ca u give me reason why though? Since quantum dots convert the blue light into the required color there really doesn't seem to be intuitive reason as why that should be the case. Furthermore, WOLED has the white subpixel which always emits ~1/3 blue when it's on. And it brighter content it has to be on this is also the reason why WOLED can has worse color volume compared to QD at higher britghtness. I guess the question if any and potentially how much blue light actually leaks "around" the quantum dots and doesn't get converted. Because in the perfect world I think that QD-OLED should actually emit less blue light.
@@matejnemec3022 Why did you even ask then if you're such an engineer?
Are your videos over-sharpened lately? At least the text in blue bar charts like Cumulative deviation seems to be. 🤔
Hello im french lol
I want the new monitor for my ps5 wich better for me alienware or msi Qd oled 27p tank you!!
I think it's worth noting that the purplish hue of the QD-OLEDs is significantly more visible on camera than in person. In turn, the 'on camera' side-by-side comparison is misleading
Why do you never mention VRR flicker?
He always mentions it.
@@GrainGrownYou joking right? Tell me at what point of the video does he talk about it?
@@crodude743 I haven't even watched this video. He mentions that in all the reviews.
@@GrainGrownHe literally didn't mention vrr flicker in any of his videos
@@crodude743 He LiTeRaLlY does.
What about the 1440p 480hz woled from asus releasing in second half ?
Its not on the market yet and lets be real its a super small amount of peopl that can run that thing or think its even worth the extra over 360hz
@@xythiera7255 360hz oled still aren't available in Turkiye, it was for a week and the one i bought had 5 dead pixels so i refunded it. I have a 4090 and i am waiting for 480hz oleds because i already forced to wait for 360hz oleds. Asus usually releases their products at the same time as world in Turkiye, MSI doesn't.
It's a shame there aren't glossy woled panels for comparison because it's not really apples to apples.
Qd-oled raised blacks is inherent to the panel design, whereas matte grain on the lg isn't anything to do with the panel, just a choice by lg to apple the coating source.
Some people are obviously just more sensitive to the grainy image, although if you look at up-close sub pixel, you can see how mushy the matte coating makes it look.
Gotta compare 4K monitors for that.
Qd-oled has perfectly fine blacks. I own the aw3225qf and it's not an issue
@@veilmontTV in dark room sure. monitor near a window nah. Owned both and im liking the matte woled more. Sure colors were better on the qd oled but you have to pick your poison :D
Unless you use your QD-OLED in a fram in the middle of daylight at 12:30pm the coating is never an issue or raised blacks
@@gardenia1738 good to know..
The issue sounds a bit overblown as in the tv space it was mentioned and no one really cared too much about it
Colors on QD-OLED are amazing, makes HDR really pop. WOLED looks washed out in terms of colors when you have seen QD-OLED. LG needs to find a way to improve color volume. It is very obvious that colors are vastly better on QD-OLED. Have both WOLED and QD-OLED myself.
Meanwhile: Black and White 😮
yeah until you turn on the lights in your room
LG g3 and G4 have a color booster that looks closer to QD OLED in colors.
Comparing the g4 to other qd OLEDs it holds up well in color.
I think your problem mostly comes from the screen coating.
@@leonrono
Great, I’m picking up a protector tv today!!!
Well tomorrow i am getting my Gigabyte Aorus F027Q2 27 QD-OLED screen and i am very curious. I hope the text will be no issue as i use my screen half for browsing and other half for gaming and watching YT. Currently owning a 27 inch 165hz IPS gaming monitor with G-Sync and i am very satisfied. But i want my 4080 super to work a little harder. Hope the purchase is going to be good.
Paying 549€ so about 600$ and getting 20€ voucher for steam. This monitor is cheaper then most Woled monitors. The next one would have been the Asus woled monitor. But it costs 120€ more and has no 3 years burn in warranty.
What people don't talk about is that even though qdoled has more colors a lot of the time they're inaccurate because the original content wasn't meant to have those colors which is why a lot of things look over saturated, also woled has better natural lighting effects in games/videos because of the of the white sub pixel qd OLED is better at neons because of the oversaturation.
Except for some HDR instances and Text (which can be "fixed" or at least made none annyoing) I do prefer WOLED as well.
Coming from a 1080p 27" Display.. the Text is still WAY sharper even compared to my 2nd 24" 1080p I find the 1440p 26.5" WOLED to be clearer Stock.
And after "fixing" the fringing a bit with MacType.. Im happy. And HDR is still fine just "not as good" as new QD ones.
I went with the 27GS95QX. :)
Bro where is the LG 34GS95QE review :(((((
Buy the latest 360hz qd oled or wait and see what LG has in store? Thoughts anyone?
For the love of god, we are all not rich, the MSI MAG 321UP QD-OLED (780) is massively cheaper than the MPG 321URX (1200) but still hits 165 Hz at 4k which is enough. Plus the 27 inch 240 hz is enough so the MSI MAG 271QPX is cheaper then the expensive MSI MPG 271QRX. Please review these monitors and stop pushing the very expensive ones.
Yeah. I agree. I just bought the fo27q2(same idea as Mag 271MQRX E2) 240hz monitor for only 570 usd on Black Friday.
It’ll serve me perfectly fine because I only really play cod and single player games and I’m on Xbox rn.
I will upgrade to pc but even the 4090 rn dosnt get above 240fps in cod at 1440p ultra so 360 is just not applicable to me.
And the biggest reason is I can’t afford the 800ish plus of the 360hz panels
I prefer the WOLED technology over QD-OLED, simply because it starts from a pure white light, unlike the QD-OLEDs which emit blue light and convert it to other wavelengths. I can't stand blue light and monitors with a blue tint so if any light would bleed between the pixels, I'd 100% prefer it to be white and not blue.
Will Asus be making a 360hz QD OLED monitor and if so, when would it release?
Coming out in q4
@@camdenb_ Nice, what's the name of it?
The reference Hz at 3:48 is CLEARLY better then 360hz. Id get that
We already had that and it is called Cathode Ray Tube technology, CRT for short. No, I am not joking - on CRTs there was zero difference between image moving and being static.
The most important question is will it last more than 1-2 years of heavy use, or will I have to throw an expensive monitor away after only a couple of years?..
I would rather have to keep making sure my rooms have blackout curtains and ensure I have as much light snuffed out as possible to get a great picture than dealing with the smeary mess of the mate finish. Get a 1440p panel with that on it makes it look like 1080p imo
I wish you'd go into anti-burn-in features. A lot of monitors have very obnoxious ones that they won't let you turn off. Also, you should really show input lag at other refresh rates.
Is the Asus ROG Swift OLED PG27AQDM that you show using the same panel as the NEW LG 27GS95QE?
It isn’t. The LG 27GS gets brighter
Here's one for ya. QOLED Matte vs WOLED glossy. :)