The Most Controversial Pokemon Characters of Every Generation
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- In this video I showcase the most controversial characters in each Pokémon generation.
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0:00 Intro
0:46 Gen 1
1:54 Gen 2
3:44 Gen 3
5:06 Gen 4
7:06 Gen 5
10:29 Gen 6
12:40 Gen 7
16:11 Gen 8
20:36 Gen 9
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Honestly Geeta's biggest offense is how she's repeatedly hyped up as being the #1 champion , best of the best etc. and then when you finally face her she doesn't even live up to half the hype
Honestly yeah, a slight team shift and she could have been far stronger, I said this before on another post but with her design and hair and I feel like if Geeta started with her ace, it could step up poison but can you picture if she ended it with a shiny Kingambit? Not only does a Kingambit have similar features to her but it would be the first Champion with a Shiny as well. Plus with it's ability to get stronger with each pokemon lost it could very well be very very strong and you would remember it.
No, her biggest offense is being a jerk to the gym leaders
@@ejnagatoshi8551THIS! Very much this! Thank you for saying it! Geeta has a very strict point of view about power and strength that keeps everyone stressed, that alone makes me despise her... but after being fed about their behavior, I get to finally battle her and... and... she is weaker than a Youngster?! Oh, now c'mon!!!
@thiperativo I understand the view on gym leaders. They have to be tough, they have to live up to the name of gym leader. You really think Brock only has a level 10 geodude and 12 onix? Thats rhetorical you don't have to answer that.
@@jetsettech8804 See... the thing is... I do believe League members need to represent a challenge, ON THEIR OWN ACCORD and unique way. But Geeta forbids Larry to be a Normal Type Elite Four member, because SHE thinks Normal isn't suited for the challenge of an Elite - her prejudice is very clear and I won against her with a full Normal Type just to add insult to her defeat! And it's not just about how she treats the leaders and elite members... because she, herself, isn't strong to represent the League or say anything about them, but she constantly impose this problematic idea of strength (that she does not apply for herself)! I was expecting her to be really tough, after all of that - but when I finished the battle for the first time I realised that she probably does it just to be mean, not because she believes in it.
Honestly, Nemona is my favorite rival in the entire franchise. We don't get experienced rivals often - or at all, really - usually, rivals are just starting out like you are, but I love the idea of Nemona already being a Champion-ranked trainer who is starting with a new team so she can keep pace with you.
Plus her and the other two synch well.bthe last mission felt like a anime adventure.
She have a quirk and personality and good backstory
Barry just lame kid that drank too much red bull
Experienced rivals that pick the starter weaker to you and basically start all over not using her best Pokémon
Yea sure
@@RaspyCh She did that on purpose to give you an advantage
I like this saying because it brings to mind that a lot of Pokemon fans are older and have played previous games, therefore also do start over andso we see some of ourselves on her.
I dident like her untill i thought wait a minute...a-are you prepareing me like some stuffed turkey to eat when ready? Cause SHE'S the one looking for a challenge which admittedly i wish her poke dident cap out at around 60
“N is the full package and some fans want N’s package.”
I died when I heard this, especially since N was my first Pokémon character crush.
Same
Relatable
fun fact: Getsis's Hydreigen knows Frustration, a move that is stronger the more your pokemon hates you. and cosidering just having a pokemon on your team boosts friendship, you have to treat a pokemon very poorly for this move to be viable.
Especially a Pokémon like Hydreigon which _evolves_ via friendship. That poor thing was definitely abused :(
@@error-try-again-laterhydreigon evolves at level 64
Not only does it know Frustration, it's maxed out on power too. It has the lowest friendship stat possible.
In b&w2 he keeps a life orb on it aswel
@@Justafella523he’s was 54 if I’m not mistake so forced evolution.
Fun fact about Rose: if he wanted to solve the energy crisis, he could've just headed to the Crown Tundra to capture Regieleki. According to the Pokedex, it (no joke) "is capable of creating all of Galar's electricity"
I don't massively mind Rose, but the fact GameFreak made their meh plot even worse with this entry BUGS me
I feel his plot line was played out of order or was supposed to be different all together.
The look he has when preparing for battle and when throwing the pokeball along with how menacing his battle theme is seem to imply that something much more dire was supposed to going on at the moment!
Or maybe I'm just reading into it too much...
Bro this is why I hate Rose...his plot is so god damn stupid!
@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions I think maybe they either wanted his energy issue to be immediate but backed it up to not freak out audience members, or on the alternate end for Rose's plan to only have preserving Galar's energy as a front for something more sinister he had planned, like older villains, wanting to be taking the power of the Pokemon for himself.
It's like they wrote that Regieleki entry just to sh*t on Rose. XD
At least he's given a backstory in one of pokemon's short anime series...
His father died in a coal mine accident, so not only does he want to solve a future energy crisis but he also just want all dangerous forms of energy production gone ASAP!
I actually really like how unsettling Valerie looks. She excellently invokes the faerie theme with her pretty but uncanny design and whimsical, not-quite-there personality.
Valerie, as the Fairy gym leader, being both cute and unsettling is incredibly fitting, though. It's the perfect encapsulation of mythical fae folk
Yeah, charmed yet deeply unsettled is exactly how oldschool fair folk are supposed to make you feel XD
I feel like if Marlon was in Black and White 1, there wouldn't be as many people that dislike him. Because in BW1, Team Plasma kept their more evil-esc stuff under the radar of the public. So having a character that's sort of like "Are they actually bad people?" would work very well and make sense! However, Marlon was in Black and White 2. And in that game before you meet him, Team Plasma already did what could be considered the equivalent of a terrorist attack on Opelucid City. So his question seems like he's either completely oblivious to what's going on, or he has the "they haven't done anything to me so they can't be that bad" kind of mindset. I don't know, maybe the words I'm saying don't make sense.
Absolutely. Marlon was written like a BW1 character in BW2. In BW2, everyone knows Team Plasma was a bunch of bullshit, Ghetsis was evil, and they did who knows what in the first games. Anyone still being like "nah, I don't believe it until I see it" isn't being a healthy sceptic, but an idiot at best or maliciously "sceptic" at worst, and doesn't help he basically acts like a dogwhistling "centrist". Doesn't help he only shows up in a super small part of the story, only seems to impede you and not help you at all in difference to the other gym leaders, and his team lineup is just... weak.
@@youtube-kit9450 Just to correct a small part of this. He's not completely useless. He's the reason you're even able to board the Plasma Frigate when you encounter it near his city, because he (somehow) deploys it's boarding platform, allowing you to enter it. Also, I don't see how he impedes you, he's not the one stopping your progress in that area (That would be Plasma and the Crustle blocking the cave exit).
While I don't think he's that well written, I think his whole spiel about "You shouldn't just do the right thing, but also you should know why you're doing it" is there for Hugh's character development. Like Truegreen7 said, Hugh starts off as seeing all of Plasma as bad, but grows to realise its not so Black and White. Hugh's original goals of taking on Plasma were good intentioned, and a lot of them were indeed doing bad things. But by the end Hugh realises what he really cares about and, once Ghetsis' Team Plasma is stopped, he decides to help the Ex-Plasmas to re-unite more people with their lost pokemon. Hugh is present for both of Marlon's main speeches, which I don't think is a coincidence.
I admit though that its kinda odd how he doesn't really know about Plasma and doesn't seem that concerned with them. He has that surfer dude vibe, but Flint from Sinnoh kind of did too and he wouldn't be happy with Plasma. Or maybe Humilau City is so remote prior to B2W2 that literally no one there was aware of Plasma? Dunno, it's still a stretch. Marlon needed a bit more time in the oven.
One thing that struck me with Chairman Rose is that, as he announced bringing about the darkest day, he maintained a gentle composure with kind eyes that betrayed his implied psychosis. There was a genuine belief behind his extreme actions, and the unfathomable damage was just a cost in his tunnel vision.
I'mma screenshot this comment so I can save it for my fanfiction. I've been trying to think of ways to "fix" the whole Rose situation, and this comment will serve as a small reminder of what I did like about Rose; EVERYTHING current was a means to the end to meet his fever dream tunnel vision of "saving" Galar.
Are you sure that’s not just that fact that Pokémon characters usually aren’t very expressive?
@@iBenjamin1000 not entirely, but in cut scenes like that, they’re usually more expressive than during standard gameplay.
@@iBenjamin1000 Before his battled he gives a determined but sad look. As if he doesn't like what he's about to do but feels it's necessary. It's a neat little thing... completely undercut by how stupid the whole plot is, but it *is* there.
Honestly, I'm still salty what happened with Rose's motivations. His final battle will always be soured for me due to this, which is a shame since he has one of the best villains themes in the series personally. It tries to hold up to his goals, but just falls flat in my opinion.
I’d audibly laughed when he said “I’d spoil her anyway and “people want N’s package”
I died on that second line lmao
Her ero- erratic personality
11:46
Tbh I want his pack-
Same
I definitely like Hop's arc. He's the younger brother to the Champion, and that's all people see him as, so he's constantly under that pressure. He gradually starts to doubt himself because he can't best you and has too many expectations of himself. He keeps experimenting with his team, finding stronger Pokemon, until he reaches a breakthrough and snaps out of it, going back to his old reliables and tries to develop his own path
Hop's story just shadows what it's like to be the sibling of a popular figure and how they need to develop their own path, because following the popular figure's path usually leads to disaster
I adored Hop and his arc. I loved seeing him grow from trying to live up to his brother, but ends up loosing to us. I actually liked that i felt bad slowly killing his dream, because deep down, he knows he can't stand toe to toe with his brother, but we might... and that literally causes him to rethink his entire life purpose.
But then... he finds solace. He deicdes he's going to research pokémon, and that can be an area in which he can finally thrive and be his own person, not just "the champions little brother".
hop is such a good character
but he was so damn annoying like im tryna play the game but every second he just spawns and pulsates at me
Hop's arc was the only good part of the Sword/Shiels story
@@wingedbunny6211 I couldn't have asked for a better partner when facing Eternatus. He deserved to hold that rusty shield more then any other character and made that finale awesome
You know what's really the worst part about Rose and his team??? They didn't need that plot.
There was a subplot of adults wanting to protect kids and kids wanting to prove themselves to adults.
All they had to do was modify the motivation for stopping the MC and make it that Eternatus was waking up on it's own and had nothing to do with Rose and Rose was just trying to stop it...
It would allow all of the events to happen in the exact same way, changing nothing for the gameplay (just the dialogue) and it would drastically improve everything...
Think about it. Bede wants to prove himself to chairman Rose and Opal wants to nurture him.
Hop wants to prove himself to his big brother while Marnie wants to prove herself to Team Yell, the adults that love and support her.
And it's a journey about you, the protagonist proving yourself to the region.
And it works even more when you realize how much Rose is doing for the region and how he's kinda over working himself. By seeing all the young people get together and save the region, it could make Rose realize that he can rely on the younger generation and take a break he deserves.
To be fair to Iris, her portrayal in Pokemon Journeys did a lot to fix fans perception of her.
Yeah she gained some respect from me after she got upgraded to champion and besides one instance she didn't insult ash with her annoying phrase
nah
@@jasonbornot You live under a rock then because people loved her development. She was also a bit more faithful to her in bw2.
@@2mellow35 barely enough people did
I just like her now because of Journeys! That's a fact for a lot of people in the anime fanbase u.u)
"And some want N's package" You got me. 😔
Shit, we've been exposed
*nervous N simp noises*
Call me n then
We've been called out
RUN
RUNN
AS AN N SIMP- WE GOTTA R U N
I actually like Iono, manly because she isn’t the stereotypical stream/influencer who loves their fans and is super nice. But because she constantly chases clout and attention and it feels like GF was making fun of streamers. I also liked the simp jokes they made.
I love the joke about that one guy's donation paying for your reward money.
So she is the stereotypical streamer/influencer behind the curtains?
I get this is a bit out there, but yonestly, I'd quite like to see a darker side to Iono. Something like her putting on an act during streams but is a lot more vulnerable off-camera. It's a sensitive topic for sure, given that a lot of streamers/content creators go through things like that, but given how great the writing was for SV, I reckon it could be handled well.
I have seen a lot of negative sentiment about nemona, I think this might clear up a lot of things. People hate when the rival chooses the starter that is weak to yours. In the very beginning of the game she wanted to choose a starter to raise alongside you to hopefully encourage you to be a formidable rival. I'm sure she intentionally chose the weaker one to give the upper hand to the player. In the post game one of the conversations she has with you and her room is that she always goes easier on other people so everyone can enjoy the experience. People avoid battling her because she is seen as someone who has a natural gift for battle. Once she sees your battle prowess and your eagerness to challenge her, it sparks the drive to do better and to find a worthy rival. I find her arc way more compelling than blue ever will be and I played since the very beginning in '98. It was so refreshing to see!
yeah, but the arc would've worked if the difficulty of her battles increased with her wanting to go full power etc. But it didn't, she stayed weak, wich i think is the main reason people don't see the arc and just find her annoying and pushy
Not to mention the fact that she's the only rival that's also acts more like a girlfriend than a friend...
Scarlet and Violet have a lot more flirting than any other generation....
I also saw alot of hate towards Nemona in the comment section. I don't think Nemona is a bad character. Nemona is that one nerd in class who is bored of always being first place in class. She is a girl with the hunger of competition which is why she was excited to see a new student in her class hoping that the student (yourself) will be a good rival.
Even this doesn't sum up the fact that she is a total stranger and makes you think that maybe she did this to every new student at school or like Why would this girl choose a random ass guy to be her rival? Like there were a lot of blank and doubting spaces in this scenario. Which is why i think she is not the best rival or incomplete rival in my opinion. The idea of a strong trainer wanting to become the rival of a beginner is a cool concept but they could've done the writing a bit better in the start.
But everything else battles, personality, character design were great, loved it.
Good idea, bad execution. Nemona choosing a type-advantage starter would still keep the idea. Also let her mons in the final battle all lvl 80 or something.
It just doesn't really work in the gameplay.
Gen 9 has some of the most charming and fun characters, I'm happy arven didn't even appear on the gen 9 list (makes sense) cuz he's THAT popular. I knew Geeta would be number one... I hope the dlc expands on some of the more underdeveloped characters.
I’m pretty sure they might make a Third version
HAS ANYONE ELSE noticed that Geeta's design looks like motherbeast Lusumine, almost to a T?
@@matchapaws8193 well every Gen up until this point have had a Game outside of the Main 2 like Yellow, Emerald, Ultra Sun, or Alpha Sapphire and Remakes happen every other Gen 2: No 3: Yes 4: Yes 5: No 6: Yes 7: No* 8: Yes (Gen 7 doesn’t count since I’m talking about specifically main remakes not Let’s go)
So either they Make Third Version/Sequel or Another Legends Game
They would probably call it something like Jade or maybe a shade of Yellow to finish the Primary colors trio
But that’s just a Theory
(Also The Remakes Yes No pattern broke at Gen 4 with two yes in a row but I have 2 things that explain this not happening to Gen 9
1 Pokémon was not as Standardized as it is now, now we have simultaneous releases around the world starting on X & Y where the tradition still lines up
2 Black & White are to new the distance between games and there remakes were 8 Years then 10 Years Then 12 Years then 15 years but Black & White are only 12 Years old when Gen 9 Started and will become 15 years by the end which would make sense for a remake (Also fun fact all the Regions except Kanto had there remake game come in the Gen that was Multiplied by 2 from there original Gen)
@@ChaosLord5129 wdym
@@ChaosLord5129 I meant a game that wasn’t the First 2 for Example
Other than Red & Blue there was Yellow
Other than Gold & Silver there was Crystal
Other than Ruby & Sapphire there was Emerald, FireRed, and LeafGreen
Other than Diamond & Pearl there was Platinum, HeartGold, and SoulSilver
Other than Black & White there was Black 2 & White 2
Other than X & Y there was Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire
Other than Sun & Moon there was Ultra Sun, Ultra Moon, Let’s go Eevee, and Let’s go Pikachu
Other than Sword & Shield there was Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl, and Legends Arceus
I’m just pointing out patterns (I also forgot to put something in the original Comment and I have now edited it)
“But I’d spoil her any day.” Same Ron, same.
How did you write this a day ago
@@CommanderCAP78 channel members get videos early
Simps
@@akgplayz oh I did not know that
Agreed
The funny thing was that meeting Khalil made me pop off. I was one of the few people who remembered all of the NPCs talking about this really strong trainer who golfed around the second island and looked around and couldn't find them. So finally meeting them as an Elite Four member was hype.
I love Hugh as a character because his entire reason to explore is to look for his sister's cat and also he straight up punches a guy.
Right! He's so badass
Looker deserves his own Detective Spinoff seriously he's underrated how GameFreak treats him and Anabel is unfair.
Looker is amazing and the fact he was not in the remakes hurt me. I loved him in Platinum and every other rendition. He's a tough, compased agent, but is also compassionate towards his subordinates and pokémon. He's great. Kinda feels like a stand in dad for me, at least in Platinum
He started out as a joke, but he grows ever more awesome and I loved the missable side plot with him in kalos!!!
This. This is what I hoped detective Pikachu would've been.
Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright vs. Detective Looker
Looker is one of my absolute favourite side characters lmao.
Am I alone in thinking that the developers of the XY games and the XY anime were on completely different wavelengths? The former - chastised for being way too easy and hardly using Mega Evolution, which was a brand new gimmick this generation promoted. The latter - rightfully considered the best the anime has ever been with its gorgeous animation accompanied by a 3D camera, and most of the characters (namely, Ash, Greninja, Serena, and Alain just to name four) having really satisfying arcs, especially with Team Flare actually displaying a threat that places them as the best villain team in the anime specifically. It’s really polarizing to many, including myself.
The Pokémon x y anime was cool but the game was meh
Same could be said for Black and White.
The games are regarded as one of the best while the anime is seen as one of the worst.
Gen 6 anime is just the best for people who started late, gen 4 anime is where the writing peaks
Pokemon anime is mid regardless so being the best of the series doesn't really mean much when it'd barely stand on its own without the pokemon brand
I swear, it's like it was the anime's mission to upgrade XY's characters from the planks of wood they we're before. Even in Journeys characters like Wikstrom and Drasna were very entertaining.
Sordward and shieldbert’s hair issues could’ve been salvaged with three lines of dialogue after the lab battle
Sonia: and what’s with the hair?
Shieldbert: our royal family has worn these for generations
Sordward: he’s one to say it, he doesn’t have to be compared with a whezing’s head
I think it's funnier if they don't mention it
I read Sordward as Squidward, god, help me, I’ve been watching too much SpongeBob
I like how it's implied that they are so obsessed with their lineage that they make their hair like that. It's a nice take on conceited celebrities
"Sometimes forgettable is worse than bad."
I couldn't agree with that sentiment more. I think a character you think sucks is still better than a character you don't remember after the story is over. Same thing with video games. I remember playing this one GameCube game that was advertised as "like a mix of pokemon and Mario party." It made 11 year old me get extremely excited and I bought it on the spot. Then I played it and it was nothing close to either, and was an overall bad experience. Compare that to the Aquaman GameCube game I only remember owning and not remembering a moment of gameplay of.
That slip up on Zinnia made me laugh out loud. Usually you're more open about your crushes, Ron!
Truegreen: ppl love her erotic- i meab erratic nature
Me: no, no, the erotic part plays a role for me too
9:34 I’m part of the 15% of people that actually like Iris. Say what you will, 'cause you’re right; from a more critical perspective, yes, she is relatively annoying, but as a kid, I honestly never found her bad. Plus, in the Masters 8, she’s matured a lot and lost to Cynthia with honor and without any battle gimmicks.
I mean the fact that she somehow rocketed up to be so strong was a gimmick
BW was my introduction to Pokemon, so Iris has a special place in my heart :)
@@Dan55888 not really?? She gained her strength because she changed and matured
I think people need to understand that she's so annoying because she's a child! She kind of reminds me of a kid who's at the stage of like "I'M a mature adult because I'M in middle school now!" or something. I find her character rather entertaining when I look at her from that perspective
@@pinkpeachesxox literally same; i grew to like her a lot 😁
I have a theory that Geeta might actually be the older sister of Nemona we hear about in Scarlet and Violet.
There's just something about Geeta and Nemona's relationship that feels different. Like, Geeta talks to Nemona differently to everyone else, even you after you become champion. And she definitely doesn't talk to Nemona like she does to her staff or coworkers.
One thing I won't understand though is why people make her out to be an antagonist (potentially for the DLC). Geeta's not a bad person, she's just a little overbearing (*ahem* like Nemona).
Granted, I still found her and Nemona to be equally pleasant characters and hope that they try the whole Champion-Rival idea in a future game because it was a really interesting concept and it made me feel genuinely bad for Nemona.
Yeah to be honest I also see them as being related in some way but the thing that people point to in terms of her being an antagonist is the fact that she owns a pokemon only found in Area Zero which already makes her heavily suspicious as that area is strictly off limits to everyone not to mention I sometimes wonder if she was there prior or shortly after the professors death at the hands of the agressive legendary Cyclizar knowing how dangerous that area must of been and how easily Arvens Mabosstif was severely injured by the paradox pokemon one would have to question her motives for even setting foot there and yes she is the chairwoman of the pokemon league but she's not a scientists...or is she? That alone makes me wonder what else she is hiding and we know she is the first champion of the region and all but there's no way she's at full strength with that pushover team of hers we still don't know much about her she may be quite kind and all but we don't know what type of work she's always busy with.
@@lugiamastero13 you do realise that Glimmora (the pokemon that appears in area zero) evolves from a pokemon you can find outside of area zero. She probably just evolved it. Nemona is referring to the fact she had never seen the fully evolved form in the wild before.
And even if she did capture it fully evolved, she is the top champion, if anyone is allowed in area zero it’s going to be her. It doesn’t make her evil.
It honestly feels a little desperate. I hate her, but there’s no real reason to hate her…. Unless she were evil! Yes, that would make it ok. She must be secretly evil.
@@intergalactic92 I learned that little fact a bit later lmao I'm just surprised by the shock of the characters making it seem that way.
Hmm true now that basically rules out any potential evil scheme though I meant to say it was suspicious behavior not necessarily pure evil though I also remember area zero was closed off to everybody even champions and anyone else considering they needed the professors permission to enter the place anyways so I guess that makes her even less suspicious until we find out more about her though that is
Instead of her being a villain, we got Kieran.
I've seen some Vtuber reactions to Iono, and aside from the now universal gimmick of their fanbase immediately switching to cheer for Iono which is very funny, a lot of them mock Iono because she's a "numbers streamer" meaning that she focuses too much on the numbers attached to her channel like subscribers rather than just ensuring she produces good content. Apparently those are the worst kinds of streamers.
Iono being a trash streamer just feels so fitting for some reason lmao
The best part is that she got called out by Gresha in the DLC about her making more view oriented content instead of more risky and innovative one
Yeah, that was the reason I hated Iono. She seemed really selfish and more concerned with popularity by using cheap tricks instead of actually making good content. It disappointed me how she has so much potential for her content to be good as a gym leader, but completely wastes it on focusing on view count instead of showcasing the ins and outs of being a gym leader.
"Apparently?" Do you think quantity over quality is... good?
I don't understand people who call Gordie conceited. He's literally so nice and encouraging to the player. Sure, he may be overconfident at times, but not conceited.
If anything I'd want the gym leader to be confident. Better that than walking in there and the dude acts like a complete failure. Who wants to walk into a gym and the leader of the whole thing is somebody who lacks the confidence to stand up to any challenger?
@@darknesswave100 actually that'd be an interesting gym leader idea lol. Someone who's mad strong but the only person who cant seem to acknowledge it is themselves
I freakin love Gordie. he’s so cool and WAY too underrated, justice for my boy
To me he comes off as a try hard. That's all.
@@darknesswave100 volkner be like
what do you mean? clavell and clive are 2 different people
Right? They look nothing alike
Eh I figured out the truth the second he showed up as "Clive"
@@eljordinio7647 no sh*t, it was sarcasm
@@eljordinio7647 what truth? Clive doesn’t hide anything from us!
@@eljordinio7647 I would trust Clive, he's not Clavell!!
Sun and Moon have a lot of evidence to support how the direction of the game was changed late in development. GameFreak basically rewrote the plot but had to use the available resources and models since those weren't created inhouse. That's almost guaranteed to be the reason why a few of the type specialists (Kahili for example) feel shoehorned in while others like the Normal and Fairy specialists feel swapped
Could have something to do with why some of the ultra beasts look like Lily, Guzma, and Lusamine
How did Kahili feel shoehorned in when that's pretty much how all E4 members were up until that point? And there was a reason for Lillie and Lusamine to look like Ultra beasts, it was because of Lusamine's obsession with them
@@noahberan6498 other Elite 4 members are at least established in their regions and there are often NPCs who allude to them. In several games they'll make cameos to introduce themselves. Also it's rare in the 3D games for characters with highly distinct models to have only a minor scene and a few lines.
Also... what does her obsession with them have to do with multiple characters looking like them? That has even less to do with Nihilego displaying mannerisms of a young girl, plus Pheromosa isn't one Lusamine had experience with.
I mean arguing because you have doubts is one thing but the rewrites aren't a secret or anything. I'd argue that your way makes less sense
@@M_Alexander Other characters do allude to Kahili though, there's a few people in the Hano grand resort that talk about a "super strong golfer". I always took it as having one "traditional" E4 member because we've been exposed to the others a lot throughout the plot. But for Lillie it was definitely because Lusamine was obsessed with Nihilego so she dressed Lillie to resemble it. Gladion said he used to do the same thing to him too. You make a good point about Lusamine's resemblance to Pheromosa though, although it could just be that she was obsessed with Ultra beasts in general. I'm not saying there's no chance of what you're saying being true, I'm just saying there are explanations to those examples in game
I love Wally not because of the game, where he doesn’t do much, but because of the manga, in which his story is developed a lot more and there are chapters entirely about him
I adored him when I played Ruby and loved he got expended on in the remake
In the anime there's actually a scene that hints that Chairman Rose's whole plan being so insane is not because of ridiculously long term planning, but because he's dealing with the unprocessed grief of losing his dad in a mining accident which has left him mentally unstable.
👆👆Congratulations I got a surprise package for you 🎁🎁
That should’ve been in the game
@@starvoltnexus3139 My thoughts exactly!
I don't remember that scene! This is in the 4-part Journeys adaptation, right?
@@Magical-N That's correct. It's a blink and you miss it moment, but it's during the fight between Rose and Ash if that helps you find it.
Regarding the hate for Whitney, I gotta say: I don't get it. So what if she's a spoiled brat? She's probably, the youngest gym leader in Johto. She even looks younger than Falkner, whom I'd say is the 2nd youngest. She's not an "annoying b*tch", she's probably just 14. Her personality fits her, especially with the reputation she has of being "so strong", it makes sense she'd get sad when she loses. She gets over it very quickly, unlike Claire who literally sends you to do another whole secondary quest, in hopes that you'll fail, just so that she won't have to admit her defeat. And Whitney does help you in HG/SS when you go to the poke-athlon. She isn't as bad as people make her out to be, lmao.
Claire is the real Karen of Johto
@@Aegis1708 She kind of is. I get it, she's hot af and they gave her more screentime in the remakes, but she's still far worse than Whitney in my opinion. Whitney has the excuse of literally just being a teen girl, what's Claire's excuse for being so bitchy and entitled? Pretending like she's stronger than Lance too. I appreciate strong, confident female characters, but Claire isn't that, imo.
Let compare a 14 year old with ten year old red who left championship title and living on mt silver
I don't think she should be qualified for being a gym leader since she clearly doesn't take loss easily at the moment
The hate for Whitney is 90% because they have trouble defeating the Miltank.
Personally, i like the "nice" rivals thing because in one aspect it shows you that they're still human. Those who think they're better than you and think that they are hot stuff are just spoilt and bratty but many times they can show humility and don't forget, they're still human too. And the backlash for many characters, to me, is just silly. I mean I like Cynthia because she's got a really cool design, a pretty challenging team and a really cool personality. People who hate Hau and Hop don't realise that not everyone can be expected to be the same as everyone else, everyone needs their own little niche and all that. Like both Hau and Hop want to live up to their family's expectations even though they don't really have to prove anything at all. They can just be themselves. But thats just my opinion.
I will die on the hill of Lillie (well, characters in general) being one of the best things in SM/USUM, it really marked the point in the series where we actually started getting stories and games which were written competently enough. Gen V had some good moments, but the writing seemed a bit all over the place, it had good ideas, but apparently nobody on the team knew exactly what to do (could also have been the working on more content, which the later entries have kind of dropped the ball on)
That being said, Blue is a flat one dimensional jerk of a rival, but he works for the game he's in, I mean, it was gen I, gamefreak could barely fit the pokemon in the cartridge, let alone characters. Plus he's not done terribly either, so it's fine.
As a side note, I do enjoy how SV has very bombastic lovable over the top characters, and most of the fanbase has agreed that Larry, charaterised more or less as "just some guy who doesn't get paid enough to be there" is the best in the game, I love it and him
If your only experience of writing is pokemon games maybe. Lillie was fucking shit. She lives in a world where pre- schoolers can be trainers. She keeps watching us battle. Hell the stupid explanation for why we should not think ill of pokemon battles is because they want to do it ala BW. She also wants to help a pokemon that is being chased by pokemon trainers. The only reason she manages to help is because we can't tell her to fuck off. We could have left her after defeating Kommo- O I think it was and she would have been fucked. Because she couldn't put in youngster Joey levels of being a trainer. Not to mention we should have never went after her mother into ultraspace especially carrying a useless lump of space who can't actually do anything to protect herself. Taking the only known wat to control wormholes to the crazy lady who wanted to unleash pokemon through wormholes to wreck Alola. Hey Lillie calling your mom out is less important than Alola not getting wrecked by your crazy mother.
She was better in USUM because she actually became a trainer and the game at one point or two acknowledges that taking someone who can't protect themselves in dangerous situations is stupid.
@jacquelineking5783 Did Lillie kill your parents or something? There's a reason I said "competently", not "good". Also, your gripes with Lillie seem to start off more as gripes with the concept of the pokemon world, but not everyone wants to be a trainer and in-story (regardless of your personal feelings) she's supposed to be your friend, and with the franchise being built around friendship, helping her is reasonable.
Was she done better in USUM? Obviously , duh. I'd say Pokemon games have been getting more consistently better writing over the years. (With USUM coming after SM) It's just that hardware limitations masked GF's writing "skills" at first. But there might be a reason the commonly regarded as better written pokemon games are not developed by GameFreak.
Also, "the only reason the plot progresses is because the MC can't tell the sidecharacter to fuck off" is one heck of a take for a game with a linear story...
I don’t get how people can hate characters like Ghetsis or Lusamine because they’re horrible people, like yes, I agree, they’re awful people (it was shown that Lusamine is working on herself tho so that’s really cool to see), but that doesn’t mean they’re bad characters, if anything, them being genuinely awful adds to why I like them, they push what it really means to be evil and I love that
See, I don't want to assume, but at the same time what I read between the lines of your comment is that you want evil characters and enjoy their villainy.
There are are others who want the opposite. I do not enjoy villainising people or see the need for evil rooted human conflict. People are complex so at least we would want to know and understand how they came to do such evil deeds to see some glimps of humanity.
I mean u got a point there but they do pretty bad stuff so they kind of want you to hate them
@@eljordinio7647 that’s why I love them as characters tho, you are supposed to hate them because they really are that horrible, and they execute that perfectly, it’s the same reason I love Mysterio from Spider-Man, he’s a horrible person and you’re clearly meant to see that and make you dislike him, and that’s why he’s an amazing character, cuz he succeeds at that perfectly
Most people nowadays aren't able to separate fiction from reality, so Lusamine's crimes are as real as any humans- and a shockingly large amount of people might also try to make the argument that the author of their stories are by extension guilty of the crimes their characters commited. I don't know how we got to this point, and I can't fathom how people can come to that conclusion, but well, we're here. xD For the record, after learning why N is named what he is, my blood ran cold. I was so ready to kick Ghetsis' ass, man...
Honestly my main dislike for Lusamine is not because she's horrible. I just think Gamefreak retconned her character hard after her debut games. Its not even a redemption arc I don't think. Just a complete rewrite of her original character to make her seem like a good person who made some mistakes. Rather then Ghetsis levels of cruellity.
“Her Erotic personality” we’ve all seen the manga panel Ron, it’s ok
What?!
what manga panel?
Timestamp?
Apparently not "all" because idk what you're talking about. :o
I'm absolutely in the "I don't like Leon having a Charizard" boat
But mainly because Gen 8 was littered with Gen 1 nostalgia pandering, so the Champion having a Gen 1 starter was just icing on the cake
I'm surprised Rika wasn't considered controversial, because of her use in a botched attempt to make the Elite 4 look like some professional gig. The most stand-out part of her character is how she completely contradicts a statement Hassel makes earlier.
When you first meet Hassel during the Gym Challenge, he asks you what your motivation was for taking the Gym Challenge, and states that there is no wrong answer. During the Champion Assessment interview, Rika will fail the player for giving an any answer to the question "why are you here today?" (which is functionally identical to Hassel's question) other than "to become a champion".
There is part of Silver's back story in the game, where he and Giovanni was having an argument when Giovanni was leaving team rocket. It's locked behind an Event Celebi that you must take to the shrine in Ilex forest. There you'll time travel, witness their argument and then battle Giovanni.
He means it's not in the main game. You said yourself it's locked to an event.
Almost anyone can still do the event
@@yaboi7248 Not the point. The point is it's not part of the main story and unless you *do* have the celebi, you can't experience it in person.
Yeah the fact that it's locked behind a event kinda brings it down.
Honestly it's problemly the reason that they stopped doing event Pokemon for the games
@@Jarino507 okay its not apart of the main game but literally everyone can do the event.
It’s probably behind an event because not many people cared about his backstory at the time
Diantha's lack of doing anything + Leon's "entire character revolves around being the champion" + Trace's lack of difficulty + Cynthia's interesting character design = Geeta
I think the reason a lot of people don't like Hop is because he's just not handled the best from a player perspective. He's too friendly and naive to be fun to take down, but he's also too competative for the fights to just feel like fun. He's also incredibly easy to beat. My Cinderace would almost always one shot his entire team even when I was only 2 or 3 levels higher than him. It combines to make honestly a kind of pitiful experience. I felt horrible beating him over and over, I felt like I was crushing this poor kid's dreams. A lot of people I've talked to feel the same way. So I think people don't like him as much because they just don't feel good about how the interactions with his character go.
A lot of of the similarities pulled between Hop and Hau stem from some of their shared character animations and the traveling cutscenes you get together. Of the two I do like Hop more but I agree that Hau and Gladion have better interactions then Hop and Bede or Marnie.
Will forever be sad we can't let our rivals win in SwSh since id love to see what their characters would do
Hop winning some battles would have been even better for his character.
Yeah, every time I hear that someone thinks Hau and Hop are too similar I think, "Are they though?" They have nothing in common personality wise. Looks and name, yes, but they're usually referring to personality.
Rivals keep popping up on this list. I find it fascinating
I dont know why ppl might compare nemona to barry, hey nemona doesnt tackle you and force you to chase after him...
Though I wont mind if nemona does it in another way
😏
I feel like it's because rivals usually have the most presence in the story and thus have more of a chance for people to gain some different opinions on unlike some gym leaders who have blink anf you'll miss it interactions.
@@castform7 that, and what a rival’s role in the story is has changed over time. And people have their preferred eras
Also champions who’s name isn’t Steven or alder.
18:59 Honestly, the fact that Leon has a Charizard is perfectly fitting: Just like Charizard being quite a very basic Pokémon (a dragon who breathes fire... ground-breaking...), Leon is just quite a basic champion with him having a brother as a deuteragonist being the most interesting aspect about him.
To me, Charizard is a Dragon Mimic, rather than a true dragon. An immitation, just like Leon.
I love Leon, I find his tendency to get lost quite charming, he's much better than dommy vanilla soccer mom (Cynthia)
leon is the best champion personality wise because he is literally the champion with personality in the games.
I liked Ilima because he's a rich boy who was raised to have manners and stuff, but the moment you start a pokemon battle, his personality changes to an excited battle junkie. I thought it really showed how much he loved pokemon.
Marnie, on the other hand... she's nice, but it kind of felt like she was made to fit the fantasy of a certain type of male gamer audience.
I love Ilona so much. He’s who made me really love Smeargle as a pokemon.
I love Hop. He, in my opinion really balances the whole Rival/Friend thing. He’s always trying to one up and beat you, but he’s also there to help whenever necessary.
Hop really bothered me at first. I thought we were going to get another Hau, but thankfully we actually got to see his arc play out. Unlike Hop, who got an offscreen arc in USUM that I personally found undeserved. It’s for this reason that I really like Hop, but I think he could do more than being a researcher. I think he’d make a pretty rad Pokémon Ranger to be honest. Seems like a more direct way to help people and Pokémon.
@@MagusAgrippa8 i see you made the opposite mistake I did and wrote Hop instead of Hau, I did the opposite. That’s why it’s edited. But yeah i totally agree with you.
@@paulstephens2861 No mistake on my part. Hop is a much more complete character than Hau. It’s just both of them start from similar places and only one of them really has a proper onscreen arc. I was prepared to hate Hop, but his arc changed my mind.
@@MagusAgrippa8 “unlike hop, who got an off screen arc in USUM”. I think it was worded weirdly. Sorry I wasn’t sure whether you were agreeing with me at first.
@@paulstephens2861 Ohhhh now I see what you mean. I’m a blind idiot, thank you.
My mom, when I was battling against Iono, actually found Iono scary because of her sharp teeth and a bit crazy. She gave me a bit of a challenge, taking down my Clodsire and getting my Lokix on one HP, but I managed to defeat her and I felt a huge swing of victory
Iono the type to take a chunk out of your neck for a dono
Her mismagious almost destroyed my entire team
7:38 “And some fans want N’s package.” Was this on purpose or just a slip? 😂
i mean he is very handsome
"Cynthia, the Charizard of Pokémon characters." That's just perfect 😂. Still love her tho
My first interaction with Looker was Pokémon Sun and he pretty much bought my appreciation for him lol.
With Lillie, I thought she was cool, and I tend to like it when a game’s plot doesn’t revolve directly around the player, and Sun/Moon did it well. Also if I could copy her style in a darker color palette I absolutely would.
I think that Nemona is amazing and it was her (along with Sada and a few Pokémon that I liked) that got me to try gen 9 at all, plus there’s something about the interactions with her that feel like she’s trying really hard to make it not awkward, which in turn sometimes makes it slightly awkward, to which I can relate.
Lastly, Penny. And all the Team Star Bosses too. I feel their motives on a personal level. If I were given the opportunity I would help them before anyone else. Their backstory feels all too familiar to me, and so I empathize with her and her friends a whole lot.
I have a whole spiel for almost all of the characters mentioned, but this is who I really wanted to share my opinion on!
17:50 Then there's me, who just wanted the rival archetype to be dead by the time Sword and Shield came out. If there is one thing I have to thank Nemona for, it's giving us a rival who didn't make me go "Get out of here"
Is Brock problematic: it really depends on who you ask, I do see why people might not like him for being a womanizer and all, but he's still one of my fav anime characters cause despite his constant harassment, he's never rewarded for it, he's often dragged away or poisoned for his antics, which is how you can see it more as a comedy bit than a creepy thing;
Whitney's Miltank, just the frickin cow man...
I really don't got any probs with any hoen or sinnoh characters XD
Iris was definitely done dirty in the anime, and in hindsight a lot of characters were done poorly anime wise, which sucks cause gen 5 has the 2nd best story. In the case of Iris it is annoying how they basically made her a bitch to Ash despite all her original team giving her too many problems to make her seem competent [like seriously you know you're doing something wrong when your own pokemon considers joining team rocket] And it kinda sucks that a lotta her development was offscreened when she returns for pokemon journeys as the champion, they basically offscreened her whole goal.
Dianthe is definitely too easy for a champion, and really shouldn't have been in the final tourney in the anime...... but if i was to choose a controversial character it'd have to be bonney, mostly cause her anime adaptation annoyed me a lot.
Lusamine's villain nerfing was definitely the worst thing alola did, they took one of the most interesting villains and tried to redeem her in the ultra games and the anime, i like Lusamine as a character but i feel like her character was greatly harmed trying to make her more likable, when we coulda just loved to hate her.
I honestly have a hard time buying that Leon is the strongest ever tbh; but Rose is definitely the Prince Hans of pokemon, being an unnecessary twist villain just for the sake of having a twist villain....
Geeta's team can be a pushover but underestimating her can be dangerous if your entire story team turns out to be weak to poison and rock type moves O-O Though in all honesty, Geeta isn't really meant to be liked, even in the relationships between other characters she isn't really many people's favorites. Hell when you do the gym leader rematches: Larry, Tulip and Rhyme all mention how they dislike the champion on a personal level, so having problems with her is definitely by design, and gamefreak being strategically inept
Brock is supposed to be a Ladies man.
@@FTChomp9980 And reunite him with Lucy!
Larry doesn’t really state he dislikes Geeta from what I read. In fact, he states that he now understands why she asked him to use flying types at the league, and that she’s told him to cut back on his hours.
As for Ryme and Tulip, both of them seem to dislike her because she harmed their egos in some accidental way. Ryme straight-up tries to pull the “does she know who I am” card, and Tulip only dislikes her because Geeta’s “style” clashes with hers. So they’re both kind of petty. Nobody else really expresses any issue with her.
Without a rock type or rock type move, I actually lost to him at first. Charizard can be pretty hard to beat if you’re unprepared.
I’m of the opinion that gen 7 and 8 derive a lot of their plot and themes from gen 6. These, more than any other generations, 'copy' each other a lot, or at least attempt to fix stuff that didn’t work so well the first time.
Case in point Lysandre is presented as a twist villain, his unveiling of his grand plan is supposed to be a surprise. The biggest problem with this is that it is not surprising in the slightest. Apart from the fact he dresses just like Team Flare, has Team Flare grunts hanging around in his cafe, and makes blatantly evil speeches, there is literally no one else introduced in the story, apart from AZ now that I think about it, that it could possibly be. There is no mystery to solve. There are no red herrings. I appreciate its not a mystery game where one of the big questions is "who could possibly be the villain" but he is presented as a twist villain regardless.
Move on to gen 7, and you get Lusamine, who is also a twist villain. Again it’s not too much of a surprise, for she is immediately sus, and we see the Aether Foundation goons chasing Lillie in the prologue, but it is presented so much better. For one we are distracted by Team Skul for most of the game, Lusamine doesn’t even show up until late on, after Team Skul and Guzma have made appearances. Secondly, Aether Foundation are a genuinely good organisation (mostly) and are constantly shown doing nice things. All of this leaves genuine questions in your heads, you know that Aether must be up to no good thanks to the prologue, and lusamine's vibe, but as they don’t seem to be doing anything bad, whilst there is a different group stirring up trouble, makes it more satisfying and shocking when it is all revealed.
Then we get to gen 8 and Rose genuinely is Lysandre all over again. Seriously Rose is introduced as a philanthropist, just like Lysandre, a prominent figure in the region who shows an interest in your journey, and keeps talking about making the world better. Where Lysandre is blatantly up to no good, and has a pretty selfish goal, Rose acts pretty chill throughout, the only red flag may be his endorsement of Bede and then coldly discarding him when he misbehaves, and later turns out to be evil in a 'shocking' twist. There are hints that Rose is up to no good throughout, but it is much more subtle than with Lysandre, and besides, there is another 'evil' team running around so you are distracted. Now I am also puzzled as to why they went this direction with a twist villain yet again, especially when he is so similar in concept to one we've already seen. It does feel like the writers were trying to do Lysandre again, but better. I’m not going to comment on whether he is or not, because I’m not interested in discussing their respective plans at this point, but I do think Rose is a more successful twist, by virtue of the better subtlety in its build up.
I’m just pleased they did something different for Scarlet/Violet
"...and associate him with some of the worst post-games they've experienced"
WHAT!? Looker's appearance in XY was one of the greatest post-game experiences since HGSS!
I always thought Blue was a knob and didn't understand why people were obsessed with being insulted by him every time he showed up. But he's really grown on me since Gen 7 and Pokemon Masters, it genuinely feels like he's grown up from a snotty teen into a strong and firm adult who I'd respect.
Ghetsis though, he literally gets 1 second away from killing you with Kyurem’s Glaciate. I love how crazy he is. Also, looking at the recent trend, we’ll get a second ScVi.
I think that Gordie is awesome. He is canonically considered to be a candidate to potential future champion and has a huge fanbase (granted I also really like Melony).
Also, Rose plan does makes sense.
While the energy from dynamax is pretty useful and used in pretty much every imaginable field in the Galar region, the wishing stars themselves (that are small parts of Eternatus that contain that energy) weren't unlimited. So he needed to recreate the events of the first darkest day in order for Eternatus to scatter wishing starts through the region once again. And for that he needed two things: to bring back the darkest day (a.k.a Eternatus) and a "hero" to defeat it (a.k.a Leon).
Leon was vital for his plan (since he was making his plan based on his incomplete/inaccurate knowledge of the legend of Galar about "the hero" that saved the region, that was missing one of the ancient tapestries to complete the story, that had the location of the actual heroes that defeated Eternatus).
He had Bede as his plan B in case Leon refused to participate in the plan. But he considered Bede unreliable due to his actions with the mural (this scene is REALLY important because it's meant to show Rose's strong ideals and how he cuts connections to anyone who goes against the well being of the Galar region in some way or another).
The experiments required to keep Eternatus energized (by giving it the wishing stars that the secret branch of macrocosmos and Bede were collecting) also made it harder to control (that's why you hear explosions every single time you're near hammerlock, since that's where Eternatus was). So the plan couldn't be delayed anymore.
His reunion with Leon wasn't exactly his first attempt to get Leon's cooperation but this one was specially important for this reason (hence why the ambush to Leon on his way to his dinner with Hop and the player and Oleana doing everything in her power to delay the arrival of Hop and the player in order for Rose to have enough time to convince him).
Leon still considered the plan as too dangerous and declined and that's the moment where Rose saw Leon as he previously saw Bede. But he was still vital for his plan as "the hero" though (since he was a literal unbeatable champion), so he decided to let Eternatus awakening happen in a way he couldn't ignore (during the final battle of the gym challenge). Which worked but the only ones that could actually beat Eternatus were the two legendaries that originally defeated it, that in current times were summoned to save the day by Hop and the player just like what happened 3000 years ago when the ancestors of Swordward and Shieldbert found the relics after Calyrex teleported the entire forest.
Imo, top 5 strongest characters in Galar are
1. Piers
2. Leon
3. Raihan
4. Gordie
5. Kabu
With number 2 to 5, they are either champion or implied champion level trainers due to their league card... while Piers is essentially implied to be the strongest trainer overall... but his downfall is that he doesn't use Dynamax/Gigamax, so the others best him with their nuke... but that didn't stop Piers coming close to defeat Raihan, but Raihan won due to his nuke.
Except Leon did agree to help Rose... tomorrow. And the man couldn't wait one day. That's why it's stupid.
@@armaggedon390
You clearly didn't read my comment well.
That wasn't the first time that Rose tried to convince Leon to help with the plan. He just kept getting promises to help. But that one was particularly important because the experiments required to keep Eternatus energized also made it harder to control (hence why you hear explosions every time you were near Hammerlock and also why they decided to ambush Leon in a last attempt to convince him).
But he only got another promise from Leon and that's the moment were Rose saw Leon like he saw Bede. Which is why he decided to let Eternatus awake in a way he couldn't ignore (during the final battle of the gym challenge).
@@giboit. Buddy, I love your fanfiction, but that ain't what we saw in the game. Leon said he would help the day after the match, that there was no need to hurry because the crisis was far away.
Rose doesn't make sense. I wish he did, I *want* these games to have a good story, but they don't.
@@armaggedon390
You're still not getting it. That wasn't the first time that Rose heard that kind of promise from Leon. That moment that you see in the game was just the last straw for him.
Many people confused the idea of dynamax energy having the potential to last a thousand years with the wishing starts (the source of that energy) being unlimited. Rose was aiming to restore the amount of wishing stars required to keep having energy able to last a thousand years. Because the wishing stars are used for literally everything in the increasingly wishing stars dependent Galar region. But only Eternatus was able to produce them and the last time he did was 3000 years ago.
I love hau because he always there to help you out when you in the story
He friendly ans feels like a brother to you
And give you item
How can people hate nice rivals?
:( I like them...
I'm surprised that nobody seems to have problems with Colress' motivations on BW2, considering he joined Ghetsis despite knowing what he did in BW.
And while he does redeem himself (in BW2 and Kalos), who's to say he won't join another bad organization or turn a blind eye for the wrongdoings for the sake of his research?
(This is coming from someone who adores Colress haha! He's a fascinating character)
I think that was his point. In a games galled Black and white he was morally grey
(Colress fan here too!)
I actually like Iris in the anime, and I'm not just saying that because of my name. Aside from her admittedly annoying "such a kid" line, she's overall a good character. She has a big dream, her love of Dragon types is admirable, and she does have her adorable moments. She's not my favorite character from the anime by any means, but I do think she's a little overhated
i think so too! and granted, i might be biased since i grew up watching the pokemon anime (gens 1-5) over and over and over (listen i wasnt even in kindergarten yet i had nothing better to do with my time), but i don't think shes nearly as bad as people try to make her up to be. maybe it's because i was also a kid, but i never found her annoying; i actually found her quite entertaining. the bickering with ash resembles misty in a way, so i don't get why people jump to hate on anime iris so much. she really doesnt deserve it :(
Iris supremacy raaah
@@catsungdae people have _huge_ double standards for Misty compared to the other pokegirls istg.
I loved Lillie's arc in the anime and watching her bond with Snowy, her vulpix,grow was so wholesome 💜
Gladion was also good in the anime.
In the games lillie only had nebby and the only arc she had was with her mom and gladion soo..
Geeta feels like she was intentionally held back to be a villian in whatever the second wave of Gen9 ends up being. She's got her finger in too many pies and her design is way too "I'm not evil, you can trust me." for her to have literally nothing beyond a Champion battle.
"N's the full package, and some want N's package"
That caught me off guard
7:37 "Some Fans want N's Package" Oh My~😅👍
He’s not wrong….right?
As a big fan of vanilla ice cream I would share some with Cynthia any day
Nemona is amazing! SHe has a super cool design and feels like a cool rival friend. Her being a champion out the gate was genius and well done! I love!
Funny thing about Brock is that the producers were so worried that Brock would be a giant walking representation of a stereotypical Asian due to his eyes being closed and the audience would not like it so much. It had the opposite effect considering that when Brock was replaced, fans were outraged for his removal from the anime series.
I think that Lysandre from X and Y is pretty lack luster, but if you combine all his appearance, take into account his motivation and what made him that way, he could've been one of the better villains. It's just a shame X and Y didn't do that well with the story telling department.
X and Y casually put in class-based genocide and no one realizes that because X and Y have horrible plot (execution).
@@iantaakalla8180 yeah, the anime, manga, and heck even masters tells the story so much better. I also can't believe they were able to have a full genocide story.
Weird. The anime was incredible.
"But I'd personally spoil her any day"
... alright, easy now.
Nemona is basically Goku. No thought but battle and finding a challenge.
What's not to love?
I think the main issue with Wallace is more than he's not even the "real" champion, and more the place holder for Steven who just wants to look for rocks. Proven when Steven is a hidden end game fight with far stronger pokemon that is only available after you defeat Wallace.
Wait, why does Cynthia being the Charizard of Pokemon characters make so much sense 😂😂😂
Ron’s getting bold with his commentary. I love it.
Never in my days as a Truegreen7 subscriber would I ever expect Ron to do the "mommy" bit or bring up N's "package" but I'm kinda here for it.
I love how hes just shifting to content he enjoys doing instead of tending to youtube's needs (he still is kinda but hes getting more loose with it which is cool)
I can think of one major reason people might dislike Leon. Leon is said to be the strongest trainer..... which threatens Cynthia throne in some fans mind
Further strengthened by the anime where he and Ash are the last two standing among Champions
hau is goofy but ends up being an absolute threat in the usum champion fight once he actually tries to win instead of being all friendly,him realizing the trainer idealology makes him worthy of being the kahunas grandkid and it shows
Whitney is only a difficulty spike ifif you’re playing the game for the first time! If you still hate her years later, you have a problem!
Trueee man, i've never understood the hate for whitney, my past 3 playthroughs were all a steamroll on her gym ㄟ( ▔, ▔ )ㄏ
@@youristevens379 everyone hates Whitney’s Miltank
@@youristevens379 I can recall playing Johto like 7 times, and I literally never had trouble with her, not even once! I genuinely feel like I'm missing something because like 99% of the community sites her as insanely difficult, but I had much more trouble with Clair's Kingdra than Whitney's Miltank every time I played Johto, even tho my teams were barely made by the time I fought Whitney
Even still, the difficulty spike is SUPER exaggerated. Honestly, if you have a Bayleef, Miltank is easy af especially if you soft reset for a female Chikorita. Poison Powder, Reflect, Synthesis.
I honestly never found her hard. I just know nuzlockers hate her
omg I remember lillie. I loved her SO much when I played pokemon sun, to the point that I cried when I finished the game because it meant I wouldn't see her again. life was so much simpler when I was 10 years old (":
"Some people enjoy the whole package, some people want his package." "I'm dissapointed that we didn't get to battle his mommy- i mean his mommy- i mean mother" Ron being sus
What people don't realize is that Flint's team is themed around fire.
He has 2 actual fire types, but others are related to flames.
Steelix is an Onix that evolved through heat and pressure... while Drifblim is a hot air ballon.
And finally, Lopunny is based off of bunny girls and play boy... meaning she is "hot"
So Flints team actually makes a lot more sense than you'd think...
I completely agree with what you said about Cynthia. I find immensely overrated as story wise, she’s just barely involved in things and her most noteworthy moment is exclusive to Platinum.
She chamipon got title to defend
At best, in terms of story relevance, she’s irresponsible and an instigator, making you her errand boy to deliver a charm to her grandma (who probably would’ve liked to see her granddaughter) and pissing Cyrus off in the distortion world then making you fight him while she watches from the side with a bucket of popcorn.
Yeah even her predecessors Cognita and Volo are more involved in their games plots
I personally love her unbothered vibes lmao
@@CaptainObliviousV I like the idea that she's there just in case, it's why she never seems that worried. She knows that if you lose, her Garchomp will absolutely decimate Cyrus, but she's letting you take the spotlight to learn and grow as a trainer. I mean, compared to Rowan, Barry and Dawn/Lucas, she's awfully calm about the whole thing, considering it's a literal world-ending plot. She *knows* she can win.
That ending Claire comment caught me off guard
"Some people wanted N's package." Me:"im sorry, WHAT" 😂
Here's a tip for all of the people who struggle with saying admirable: pronounce it the same way you would pronounce admire. So essentially saying it is admire-able. I struggled with the other pronunciation so doing it that way is so much easier.
12:46 You can actually meet Kahili before the elite 4, it's just highly unlikely. You meet her in a cave near the professor's lab that is blocked off by rocks. You need the tourus ride pokemon to get through. The only reason I found out about this is because I was going for everything, and the flyium z was also located there. If you aren't looking for it, then you likely miss the cave, as it is tucked away in the corner.
i found her actually, idk how i did since i was a little goo goo ga ga back then
i'll try that !
I wish X and Y went as hard as Lysandre's battle theme
Tbh, thinking about all of X and Y's shortcomings just makes me sad that we didn't get Pokémon Z, as I'm sure it would have shored up the many weaknesses that the game had and fleshed it out a lot more
when I read Pokémon Z all i could think of was Goku as a Pokémon trainer. tbh, i wonder what kind of team he would have.
As Chuggaaconroy mentioned in his playthrough, one reason people could dislike Marlon is that his disinterest was showcased *after* Team Plasma froze Opelucid City.
Also to be fair on Flint, Gen 4 at the time literally gave you only TWO fully evolved fire types to use: Infernape and Rapidash
I'm just burnt out on Cynthia. She's basically become the goku of the games and is just so unanimously praised up to the detriment of other aspects of the franchise. Sure she's cool, but let other characters and games shine. Cynthia isn't the only strong boss in the games and isn't the only character worth talking and thirsting about.
She isnt one of the only strong ones but tell me when another leader/elite four member had a pokemon which u couldnt super effective hit it
Ong man she's so overrated
@@happycampr108 Iono had her Tera Electric Mismagius with Levitate.
@@happycampr108 Phoebe's Sableye, gen 3.
11:44 Ayo? For her WHAT personality? 😳
Love how the controversies get stupider the closer the games get to the present
I didn't mind Hau as a rival in SM. I hated him in USUM though for one single reason; he was the champion fight. I would have been fine if he were shown to be serious about his goals but he was the same happy-go-lucky guy that approached fights with a half-hearted attitude. It felt insulting that he was the one to step up for the title instead of Kukui.
Dang, surprised Professor Turo/Sada wasn't the most controversial character for Gen 9
Until I saw Ilima in the anime, I always thought he was a girl. In the episode he debuts in, they show him shirtless. Thats when I realized Ilima was a guy this whole time. He was the first character I ever completely misgendered
That happened to me too.
I love the fact that you’ve kept the bloopers in your video, it’s a nice touch
Honestly, when it comes to rivals, I believe it’s their character outside of being a rival is what makes them interesting, regardless if they’re nice or a jerk. I find that the complaint of rivals being nice is more subjective than objective.
I think people take an issue when the rival is nothing BUT nice/mean. Personally the rivals like Silver or Paul (from the show) annoy me way more than the nice ones but I can see why a perpetually happy rival could be boring to some players.
For my Lysander is a cool design but fell flat as a character. He also looks like my Guilty Gear main so he gets some bonus points
lmao he actually does look like leo whitefang, knew that haircut from somewhere
@@overgrowthwhoaskedforhandles I didn’t expect anyone to recognize what character I’m talking about. Most of the fighting game players I play with don’t play Pokémon
@@starapton5374 i play guilty gear pretty casually with a couple of my friends. its a fun time for sure
Barry is a great character. Love that dudes energy.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the time Lance’s Dragonite hyperbeamed a store clerk lol
Personally I love how different each rival is. While some of them might not be my favorite character I love that I can think back to each Pokémon rival and get a clear imagine of who they are as characters