EVERYONE is an Ancestor in Pokémon Legends Arceus! | Gnoggin
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Pokemon Legends Arceus introduced us to many new characters who act as the ancestors of characters we already knew in modern games. Some of them are SUPER obvious, and others... may need some theorizing... and that's this video!
Also, I'm not mentioning Wallace because I know not doing so will drive more comments... yes really... I totally didn't just forget until it was too late.
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Chapters
00:00 Non-Hisuian Ancestors
00:48 The Obvious Ancestors pt 1
01:57 Genetics
02:43 The Obvious Ancestors pt 2
04:53 Merch Shilling
05:24 Less Obvious Ancestors
10:19 Palina and Iscan
13:08 Adaman and Irida
15:39 The VERY Theoretical
17:38 Outroduction
This video aims to answer the following questions:
Who is Melli the ancestor of?
Who is Irida the ancestor of?
Is Iridia related to Serena?
Who is Adaman the ancestor of?
Who is Beni the ancestor of?
Is Beni related to Cilan?
Who is Tuli the ancestor of?
Who is Palina the ancestor of?
Who is Iscan the ancestor of?
Is Iscan related to Nessa?
Do Palina and Iscan get together?
Are Palina and Iscan related to Marlon?
Who is Tao Hua the ancestor of?
Who is Laventon the ancestor of?
Is Laventon related to Hop?
Who is Calaba the ancestor of?
Is Calaba related to Mina?
Do Volo and Cogita get together?
Who is Volo related to?
Who is Volo?
Who is Adaman related to?
Who is Irida related to?
Who is Beni related to?
Who is Professor Laventon related to?
Who is Iscan related to?
Who is Palina related to?
Who is Melli related to?
...and more!
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Also, I mispronounce "Irida" EVERY time I say it in this video.
First
Awesome video
Yesss
@@Cliffordlonghead your finally first
Cosmoic lost this time
volo is lusimine ancestor.
Another point that, well, points to Beni being Wally's ancestor is that in a piece of dialogue after the game, they mention about wanting to move to a warmer region to 'help with their old bones' or something along those lines; specifically bringing up Hoenn as a possibility if I do recall
also, Beni's restaurant "The Wallflower", directly references Wally's english name origins
Thats a long history of moving for your health
@@nataliecoronado4206 and Wally' more shy personality
What if Beni is Lying about his age?
Great Ninja never revealed thei'r True identity.
This would Also explain his possible conection to the Shadow triad.
He could also be related to Koga because…
Ninja?
I think it's important to bring up how Cynthia, Volo and Cogita's Latin inspiration for their names all closely relates them.
Cogito = I think
Volo = I want
Sentio = I feel
This just makes me believe that Cogita and Volo are both ancestors to Cynthia, in some form. Could be that Volo is a time traveler and is somehow Cogita's ancestor or that they both share an ancestor and that's why they look familiar. Certainly could suggest they hook up at some point, too....No way would they have Volo have Cynthia's near identical team and same theme for him to not somehow relate to her. Not to mention his love and curiosity for mythology. While Cogita shares a similar love for myths and history.
Yo yo yo hold up. I think, I want, and I feel are the gimmicks for the lake spirits too. 👀 There's something theory-esque there
I highkey thought that Cogita was Volo's mother
@@chiliwithonel well they're related somehow, though I think it's a distant relation. I don't blame you for thinking that bc they're clearly both related to Cynthia
Volo can come mean to want or to fly
Cogita is strongly implied to be immortal, or at least outrageously long-lived. The old verses you dig up describe the story of a immortal, and Cogita states that Enamorus will return to her after the players death, and unless she's planning on offing you within the week she has no reason to think she's outlive you unless she does not have a normal human lifespan.
If Volo's comments about waiting centuries are to be taken literally, then the two of them could have a very long time to produce the family line that results in Cynthia, even if they aren't together at the time of Legends.
My new headcannon is that Bianca's habit of overpacking her bag is because Bagin is somehow her distant ancestor.
I see it
And since Bagin is a generic NPC model, his genes are all recessive alleles. Woof.
I love how the two options for Melli are just either no reproduction at all or DANG THATS A LOTTA DESCENDANTS
i choose to believe that it's either just Lucian or that he was simply so insufferable that he never had any children
I personally believe that, while Volo’s related to Cynthia, he’s not her direct ancestor, he’s more like a great-great uncle. Volo’s true decendant is Lusamine, due to his insanity and devotion to his own plans, as well as the initial helping until the twist that they’re batshit crazy
I find the lusamine theory to make more sense narratively (somehow).also if volo was technically related to Cynthia people always wondered if lusamine and Cynthia were related so-
@@user-er8mp8ss5l it's not about the genetics it's about the presentation. maybe they were just trying to invoke the power and role cynthia plays, but without making him genetically linked to her. seems weird that the egotistical godhead would have one of the most calm and collected champions as his kid all thing considered.
Why is his theme Cynthia’s theme then’
It fits my head canon that Lusamine and Cynthia are related and that Lillie and Gladion are Cynthia’s niece and nephew
@@cognitiveAfflatus No, it wouldn't make sense to basically be the gender swap for Cynthia and not be her ancestor or be closely related. Though him being somehow related to Lusamine would make sense.
Cyllene was stern, yet kind. Her biggest flaw was failing to show her caring side more often. Over the next several generations, the strictness remained while the kindness was forgotten. This led to Cyrus who was a cold, socially stunted misanthrope who wanted to create a new world where people soundly have to experience emotions.
Can we please remember the fact that cyrus became cold and mad because when he was a child everyone around him were terrible people!
His parents didn't give a crap about him you
@@krishnagupta8503 I would say that goes more toward proving Quant's point, if anything.
I genuinely think Melli would actively choose to not have children. He seems like the kind of guy who hates kids with a passion 😂
I think he hates everyone with a passion
he seems like the kind of guy who women would avoid
@@arkking552exactly
I was thinking that Klara was his descendent loll
Melli may be related to Grusha. Kinda arrogant looking like a girl
They had no business making Adaman look as good as he does. 100% best character design in a while.
Especially if sycamore is his desendant? Brooo
The gave a new descendant to adaman in the gen 9 dlc
You forgot the guy professor of gen 9
After Beni revealed himself to be a ninja didn't he say something about moving to Hoenn just to get away?
Sounds like that would greatly strengthen his connection to Wally to me.
Yes, the Shadow Triad connection is a forced one, considering that Beni's hair isn't naturally white, he's just old, while the Shadow Triad hair color appears to be either natural or bleached. And Wally was even a ninja in the manga, which can be a little callback to the manga.
He said he would move somewhere with "a more agreeable climate", and hoen is very warm
@@jeanduresau Wally wasn't a ninja in the manga. He wore that suit to suit his conditions when climbing up the Sky Tower. You can argue it looks like a ninja but the suit ultimately serves for him to breathe with that oxygen tank and maneuver better.
I always thought Melli was an ancestor to James. They have a very similar hair style, color, and arrogant personality, but I like the trope that they make the ancestors kind of the opposite. James is lovable while Melli is the exact opposite, similar to Candace, a gym leader, being a criminal in ancient Sinnoh.
I thought Melli reminds me of Wallace a bit, they kinda have similar poses?
i feel like Melli could be an ancestor to Klara, they both have corkscrew styled hair, her bottom lash line upturns the same way that Melli's naturally is and they have the same arrogant and quick tempered attitude. that's just my guess and tbh my favorite theory
I wholeheartedly believe that Melli is the ancestor to Harley from the Hoenn anime. The face and hair is almost exact and the personality is spot on.
@@alexandergraham1281 I mean, I don’t think the games account for the anime most of the time
@@magicalhikari5859 maybe not, but we have seen some nods to it in the past so it wouldn't be out of realm of possibility
Watching the struggle over Adaman, while not knowing about Perrin from Teal Mask is quiet entertaining.
To be fair, this video was made way before the S/V DLC released 😅
Well to be fair this was before scarlet and violet was even annoucned also Perrin seems to be the descendant of Adaman and Irida
lmao
@@angelitacortez6294not before it was announced but yeah
When I played the game I thought that all named NPCs just HAD to be ancestors, but the uniqueness of some characters like Adaman and Callaba disprove this. But I thought it was weird that some important characters were ancestors, while others weren’t. In hindsight, however, I think it’s better that not all characters are ancestors. Makes it more fun to try and pinpoint who is.
I see many people say Marlon is Iscan’s descendent, with people responding Marlon isn’t actually black. But your theory actually works. I had completely forgotten Iscan is together with Palina. If they actually stay together, it could be that Marlon inherits Palina’s general skintone, but just tans easily because of the melanin he inherited from Iscan. Personality- and chracter trait-wise, it just makes too much sense.
According to my mom, my great-grandmother was noticeably dark skinned, and my uncle is white but capable of tanning rather extremely. Marlon being that same way would have a basis in reality.
With hindsight, Adaman was DEFINITELY teasing the Gen 9 equivalent of the champion (can’t remember what they called her)
With Iscan and Palina being a thing, it also I feel gives some credit to Palina being an ancestor to Ilima from Sun and Moon.
Damn so it just turns out they made adamans ancestor, Perrin who even has a diamond pattern on her back pocket, the same hair, same good looks and a hisuian growlithe whilst referring her hisuian background frequently
One other point in favor of Sycamore being a descendant of Adaman that I rarely see mentioned is that Sycamore was implied to be a student of Professor Rowan. So the Sinnoh connection is already there.
Fun fact: Laventon is an example of the old-timey ways of naming people. "-Ton" is a suffix that means settlement or farm which has ties to the word "Town", with "Laven," as a shortened version of "Lavender."
This means:
There was potentially a Lavender Town in Galar long ago, and Laventon's family (therefore Hop, etc) originated there, and/or the Lavender Town we all know is named for professor Laventon.
Additionally, Commander Komado, while definitely Rowan's ancestor, speaks with a Kansai accent when defeated in the JP version, which is the counterpart to Johto. He fled "some event" that made him both terrified and in awe of pokemon, which suggests that both he and Beni potentially fled during the Brass Tower incident, perhaps having lost their homes in the resulting fire.
Morty, the gym leader there, also has a similar hairstyle to both Beni, which might suggest that he might have left behind family when leaving with Komado.
Komado probably comes from modern-day Mahogany town actually.
There's a dialogue suggesting that he's got issues with gyarados specifically, so his village was probably wiped out by them.
@@X-Vidar Huh, I must have missed that, but that also makes sense.
Wow, that's actually a really well constructed theory. If it's true, then it would be interesting to try and guess why did Lavender Town become what it is now...
I'm very strongly sure that the first reason for Laventon's name was because they wanted the professor of meiji-restoration-period-hokkaido to be a direct reference to one Lafcadio Hearn, and that they took Mr. Hearn's name, pulled a plant reference out of it and made it british. (Also in languages that aren't english, his name is just derived from lavender or literally lavender without any notable extra additions that "make it british" so that -ton suffix or something like it was only done for the english translation. I even checked to make sure if Lavender the plant had a more proper rendering in kanji or hiragana in japanese to see if they rendered it in katakana for the professor to make him seem even more like a foreigner, but no, Lavender in japan is just the english word in katakana.)
Lafcadio Hearn was an Irish-English novelist that had traveled to Japan during his life and fell in love with the culture there, especially the mythological culture surrounding shinto animism and youkai legends there. He stayed for many years, learning the language and compiling writings and stories of various youkai, to eventually return to the british isles to publish the stories and legends of youkai and the like, being one of the western world's very first sources of the spread of japanese culture. The dates of his lifetime and travels to the east even align pretty well with the time period the game represents.
@@X-Vidar
Its also entirely possible that he and Beni were fleeing the war that supposedly took place.
If I remember right the Lake of Rage was formed by rampaging gyarados, which was in turn sparked by some sort of conflict. A few of its dex entries specifically reference either war, being enraged by violence, or punishing humans. Its a wrath of nature sort of Pokemon.
14:43 I guess the character Adaman foreshadowed the Scarlet and Violet Dlc character Perrin?
14:43 "Adaman maybe related to all these characters cuz he's a dang man!"
Perrin (from the new teal mask trailer): imma stop you right there
I wonder if there would be another Legends game, say like Unova, it would be interesting if Ghestis or N's ancestors were either Heroes of Truth and Ideals.
Pokémon revolutionary War?
@@fugyfruit Oh my word yes I’d love to see that
I really would love one for Johto and one for Unova.
Could give us an opportunity to see the legendary dragons of unova before they split by the brothers. It would be a great opportunity.
I really really want legends original dragon and it seems like a lot of other people do too so they better make it
I think Game Freak left certain characters vague on purpose. Teasing Scarlet and Violet right after PLA seems kinda sus, I bet people like Melli, the clan leaders, and Iscan and Palina will have descendants in gen 9.
We will see
@@thend4427
Melli already has a descendant
its clair
@@nabodabo1235 not confirmed
I bet they're just regular characters with no decedents. Game Freak is great when it comes to character design, why would they limit themselves to only having ancestors in PLA?
Irida has to many similarities to may for them to not be related. I do think meli Has an ancestor in Jupiter, maybe some others
I think why Irida and Adaman are so hard to pin down to just one decedents might be because they are clan leaders. Clans in a lot older times tended to be mostly a bunch of family members. Irida and Adaman are just the head of their clans but that isnt to say they didnt have siblings that branched off so maybe they are direct descendants of anybody that we know of.
Adaman's descendant was just not released at the time, and she's just so pretty
I’m really happy that it’s hard to figure out Melli’s ancestor cause it implies he doesn’t find love
I always thought it was Lucian because, come on, what other Pokemon character has that distinct periwinkle hair color?
...or he's just gay?
Paulina and Iscan look like they could be ancestors to Ilima, he seems like the perfect blend between the two
Dude
how the hell I didn't think about it
you are an insider or what?
Paulina also looks like sycamore with her hair, too…
I've heard people say Burgh could be another descendant of theirs.
Iscan visually looks like Marshal to me. The Fighting type Elite 4, from Unova.
@@SNUFFGURLL Ilima went to Kalos for his education, so there could be a family connection that inspired that.
10:19 If you were to put Iscan and Palina together you could end up getting the Normal Trial Master for Sun and Moon Illima. He looks like has Iscan in bits of the face and Palina's hair color. Also, it would make sense that the descendant of two wardens would be the Guardian of the totem Alolan Raticate or Gumshoos
Wouldn't Marlon make more sense?
His naturally lighter skin can be explained by Palina while his ability to get a good tan is explained by Iscan.
Marlon is derived from a type of fish and Iscan while plant based is one letter off Piscan which means "of fish".
Basculin a Gen 5 pokemon that has a hisuian form that evolves into Basculegion the pokemon Iscan is warden of.
Also fun fact, Marlon has a Jellicent as part of his team and Basculegions forms while derived from the earlier Basculin forms are gender based just like the frillish line which is shares the typing of with the noble being male
Palina and Marlon both are heavily associated with swimming what with the goggles around their neck.
Just a few things.
@@DemonEyeXGamer I can somewhat see Marlon as well. I mean it's about a 150 year or so gap between PLA and the Main series so maybe they had multiple kids who settled in different regions over time. I don't really have a great counter to your points tbh, they are pretty well thought out.
I've always seen Iscan as an ancestor for Wake, they are both related to water and are quite similar for what regard body size. Also,they are somewhat similar because they are bald and while one has is tameless and brave, the other is calm and wimp. Maybe their relation is not straightforward because Wake has a mask
It's Burgh.
Look at her hair piece.
@@Nosretep by that logic its also May, since it looks like her head piece from RSE.
“Are you Avery? You act just like Avery.”
Sent me into a laughing fit. I used to hate Avery when the DLC first came out, then I slowly kinda grew to like him. Same thing happened with Mellie. I can actually see it. Also, they have the same eyes.
i think Melli is Lucian’s ancestor. It just seems a little obvious to me, particularly in body language.
Also, Adaman and Zisu descending into Flint and Buck is a cool thought, but considering it’s ancient times and stuff, i wouldn’t be surprised if Adaman did get around.
Adaman being a slut is not a take I expected to hear, but it's one that also makes perfect sense somehow.
@@demi-femme4821 i mean, just by looking at him you can tell there’d be people climbing all over him harder than they’d climb Mt. Coronet.
I think it’s Penny
Melli is the ancestor of all tenticools
There’s actually a guy named Buck in the game so honestly, he’s probably Buck’s ancestor.
6:08 I feel like another option for Calabas decendent could be the poni island kahuna, hapu. Calaba is shorter in stature much like hapu, those this could be argued that it’s because she’s old. Another thing though is that detail of her having black hair when she was younger that looked about the same color as that of hapus. Best evidence is that she is the warden of ursaluna, who gives you the ground type plate and is part ground type. Hapu is the keeper of the groundium z and has a bored looking ground type as her ace Pokémon.
She kinda reminds me of Ramos too
@@mrad1m0s I suppose I could see that… though I definitely think hapu is the best shot.
I was gonna say Mallow since it looks more green than anything but that works too.
If Irida and Adaman shack up, you think that would make them Palmer and Barry's ancestors? The impatient attitude, blond hair, brown eyes, the fact that Barry went as far as Snowpoint City (possibly the Pearl Clan's old community, btw) and didn't wear a coat and how closely tied to the Legendary Pokemon like all of them are? It seems logical to me.
I don’t think the snowpoint think can be counted, since the Player also does that
This……actually makes some sense. Wow. Did not expect that.
Irida is young dude
@@waifuferredandchynthiashus8088 So is Adaman, despite his looks. Mai literally helped raise him like an older sister would
@@ilngsisfh look at the DPPT MCs (specially platinum) They both have a heavier jacket and a scarf. Barry doesn’t, he only has a lighter shirt/jack and a scarf. Much lighter clothing then the MCs.
Now that Scarlet and Violet is out, Bagin has a business legacy now in a form of bag shops in Paldea
I played Scarlet before PLA, and when I met Bagin in PLA, I was like "oh he starts a successful bag business..good for him"
Arvin and the recipe guy
I theorize on Calaba being an ancestor to Mallow (the grass type trial trainer from Alola). Mainly because they both have similar skin complexions and they have around the same hair color, green ish. Also in naming, Calaba means “tree” and Mallow means a “herbacious plant” so that’s another similarity in terms of plant life.
Surprised you didn't reference the theory that Adaman's and Irida's bloodlines mixing to eventually lead to Barry. Adaman's obsession with being on time and the fact that Barry's manga equivalent is Pearl, among other things. There are... better writeups about it around
I mean, Adaman being related to Barry (And Palmer by extension) makes hella lot of sense.
Amadan has an obession with being on time, like you said, but also rushes into situations (Like Barry).
That can be a personality trait that carried over in the family (Since Palmer is exactly the same).
Oh, I like this. That's my new headcanon.
It also helps that Barry does look a lot like Irida as well. Basically a combination of physical and personality traits
I’ve seen people say Adaman and Irida get together and Barry is their descendant. They both kind of have similar feature to Barry, and it would be weird if he didn’t get an ancestor.
Even if Adaman isn’t related, Irida and Barry look pretty similar.
Well, to me, it’s Adaman’s impatient and quick to action personality that links him to Barry and Barry’s dad. Maybe on different levels, but that impatience is still there
Iridia more closely resembles Sarena (and May), Barry could definitely be a descendant of Adaman, but also Adaman's personality and appearance tie him to Sycamore--who is the father of Lucas/Dawn.
@@gabriellockwood2780 Are you implying Johanna and Sycamore are a thing? I've never seen that in any official media. And we know Sycamore isn't the rival Lucas/Dawn's dad, we meet the dad multiple times in Diamond and Pearl
@@clarehidalgo Sycamore DOES have a connection to Sinnoh tho, but maybe not biologically. There's a train station in Kalos you meet the professor at, and he says he caught the train there to travel to Sinnoh when he studied under Professor Rowan. That was probably during the time Rowan as first in Sinnoh, as at the start of the gen 4 games it's mentioned that he's recently returned there after a long time away.
@@kaihaemmerle2773 that would honestly be nice. Unless we get a dlc that gives us a more clear ancestor for Barry, I do think Adaman and Barry act alike kind of. Also it would be nice because since the player is most likely Dawn or Lucas, they’re with they best friends ancestor, and could explain why they get along so easily.
I’d like to point out that Beni and Kamado are both from the same region which they left after their village was destroyed. I would think that both of them would have at least one pair of descendants in the same region somewhere.
Actually, I had a dream once that, in Scarlet and Violet’s postgame, you explore southern Kalos, and it would involve the equivalent of the Arc de Triomphe, which decorated with images of Kyurem, and you would meet the descendants of Adaman and Iridia
WHOAAAAA
We may see their ancestors in Kitakami, maybe
I only see May in Irida. Besides for the hair and eyes, there is also the very funny idea that Irida's ancestor moves to the warmest area in all of "Japan" after living happily in the coldest. Irida's comments about how she is sweating while standing around in nearly nothing near the Pearl camp while May lives in Hoenn is just too perfect.
Isn't May originally from Johto though? Or is it just Brendan?
@@Iamintohunksdontjudgeme It's based on your player character, as far as I know. If you pick Brendan, he's moving from Johto with his mom and Gym Leader dad to a town with the Professor and his daughter May. If you pick May, everything's the same but her and Brendan's roles are switched. To my knowledge, Professor Birch's family has either always been in Hoenn or they've at least lived there a long time.
She must’ve been melting in the other regions and straight up dead in the Volcano Island 😂
Really digging the designs, especially Irida and Adaman. I wouldn’t mind seeing the two get sent to the future in a mainline game
I wonder how horrified Arezu and Cyllene would be towards how Mars and Cyrus turned out?
You think Coin would be surprised at what Saturn is like?
@@owenbridgers no
@@owenbridgers Coin will be like: Proud on you
Cyllene will probably be much more calm
because after learning why Cyrus took this road
she will understand and try to reform him
Arezu
I don't know how she would react
actually why the hell mars join Cyrus in the first place!
@@krishnagupta8503 Mars is just a simp for Cyrus. But then again so are most of Team Galactic, but she really takes the cake.
So the Scarlet and Violet DLC is introducing a new character named Perrin who is 100% Adamans dependent.
I love the idea that Archie and Maxie share a common ancestor, big Aang and Zuko vibes there.
For Melli, I think the closest person we have is Lucian. However, after you mentioned it I'm fairly confident that his bloodline ended due to his awful and unlovable personality 😉
Oh lmao I thought he was a girl
I love how everyone is forgetting Fantina.
melli’s bloodline didn’t end… i would know 😋🤲
Theres someone crazy out there that would hit that
@@owenbridgers yeah, me
I noticed this when replaying sword: Adaman could very well be an ancestor to the rock type gym leader gordie. The Hair has pretty similar traits as well as both of them having the necklace with a diamond in it
This needs more upvotes
But adaman looks nothing like gordie's mother melony :/
@@slinky6415 can be related to the dad
Is someone gonna update him?
@@suataluna lmao do it 🤣
Welp now we know that Perrin is Adamans descendent.
It's funny when a pairing happens we asume it's gonna be for a lifetime, but in reality it doesn't happen so easy. In case of Palina and Iscan, they probably tried to be together but actually didn't work out, so Palina later married another man and started her heritage that ended in Magnolia and Sonia, and Iscan started his own with another woman that ended in Nessa and also the rest of references
Nah this is a game not real life they definitely got together
I think people forget that even if your ancestor was black you can be totally white if you go far enough into the future
You against my otp brother?
@@luciole2809 exactly finally someone said it
Some people Have pointed out that Palina looks kinda like Burgh though
The Buggy Painter lad in Pokemon's NYC
It's possible she's his ancestor
Hey, Jupiter actually does have an ancestor in this game. You kept showing the female guard when saying "Not everyone needs an ancestor." That's her. She's a unique npc with a unique model.
timestamp?
@@gregorymirabella1423 About 5:50 or 13:18
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure there's more than one character with that model
She is not a unique npc - there are several that use that model.
Nah bruh, that's a generic model in PLA, it's been re-used a couple of times
It’s funny how Adaman finally has an ancestor in The Teal Mask DLC now.
The Adaman part of this video: Exists
Perrin, who has the EXACT SAME HAIR COLORS AND PATTERNS AS ADAMAN: I'm about to end this man's whole career.
Regarding Melli, I am convinced that his decedent is meant to be Clair. Unfortunately the Pokémon don’t match up, but the hair color, the personality, that his necklace all match up. I think his necklace is that small detail of his that feel like it should be important. And with Adaman and Irida, I’m pretty sure it is said that their grandparents were the ones who started the clans, or at least that is hinted at in their post game fights when they give you the crystals. So it would make sense for them to also be the ancestors to Archie and Maxie.
Also Melli being Clair makes sense as the blue hair of Clair plus the red hair of lance would lead to a shade of purple hair. Biologically it makes no sense but that clearly wasn’t the biggest factor for the legends arceus devs.
How didn't I think of that? They're both even trash human beings. I should've made the connection sooner.
I know mentioning anime-exclusive characters is probably pointless, but my roommate brought Harley and how he's almost as annoying and uppity as Melli.
so are you saying Melli and Sanqua get together? or perhaps they're related? cuz I'm quite convinced Clair and Karen are descendants of Sanqua.
That would also make him Lance's ancestor
When I first saw Melli I thought of Swordbert and Shieldbert. Their faces look similar, their personalities are a match and blue and red come together to make purple. It’s the only thing that really fits for me.
I strongly believe that Melli is the ancestor of Shielbert and Sordward. Same personality, same posture, same face.
Are you going to tell me that Melli travelled to Galar to have a fling with one of the last remaining Galarian noblewoman 150~ years before present day?
@@xaldrortenderofthevats8948 Would it be unbelievable and obnoxious to you if he did something like that? Because if so, then one could say that tracks with Melli's character.
13:08 this aged like fine wine
Okay just hear me out. Adaman and Irida both have a Gen 4 eeveelution. Irida prefers far colder places, like Shinnoh, so is not likely to leave. Places descendants in in modern day shinnoh.
Irida’s dirty blonde hair could be lightened to pure blonde if mixed with Adaman’s yellow streak.
Adaman is shown to be impatient and hate wasting time. Irida and the Pearl clan appear to value both having space and a lack of it. Irida is also at times rather childish.
So… I can easily think of one particular blonde childish impatient kid with a lack of personal space living in the cold land of Shinnoh, can’t you?
This makes a lot of sense we have almost every major character's ancestor except one
omfg
That would be hilarious given how impatient Adaman usually is throughout the game lmao
Honestly, I think it would be fitting to see a DLC for the game where Barry's brought into Hisui and you have to help him find a way home and if you make him wait any longer he fines you(which is an empty threat lmao)
barry?
I mean
truth be told It is hinted that irida may have left
also Barry doesn't have any similarities to Adaman and Irida
Plus if Barry is going to have ancestor
he must be a police officer or someone who can fine people!
It would be so funny if this were canonically confirmed
I can say there is one character who would be the perfect, Descendant of meli. If we just look at games, the connections are scarce. The anime on the other hand, had a excellent match and that's in Harley, May's rival. While the pokemon are different the core of their personality. The fact they took one look at a main character and decided they were a problem. That flair for dramatics and the ahole attitude it's all there. Hell their hair is also similar in style it just makes so much sense.
I'm glad I'm not alone on that
If we're including anime characters, I would of guessed James.
Yes! This!
Darn, I just suggested Harley in a different comment here. As far as someone points it out, I'm fine with not being First.
@@lianaverwood9810 same lol
I always though Melli’s hair reminded me of Winona from Hoenn. Mainly because of the length and colour but there might be some relation between the two characters
Also while I agree Gaeric is related to Wulfric, I also think he could be an ancestor to Brycen, the Unova ice type gym leader
Well, we've got adaman's descendent now at least, so it seems like there's still more tricks up their sleeve
I think Akari/Rey is possibly the only ancestor to us. Being the protagonist, capable of changing our appearence, hair color, etc we could be ancestors to anyone from ourselves, Caitlin or Serena through Irida, Mars or Silver through Arezu, Cynthia through Cogita or... uggh Volo, Walley's ancestor, Rowan, etc we could literally be the ancestor to anyone... or everyone but that sounds gross and disease ridden or creating.
I really like this, was thinking the same thing.
Bruh
The fact that Ingo never gets sent back still gets me
My thoughts exactly. He might even be his own grandpa. Look at my comment thread where I rant about it.
we see adaman's descenedent in the tel mask
What are the chances that Rei is actually Dawn's ancestor, and Akari is actually Lucas' ancestor?
I believe that Is the case, but only for the one you didn't choose as I like to believe that the one we pick is actually dawn/lucas from modern day
@@lewisdando5642 that’s actually the most likely option. If we go off of the ORAS timeline, Dawn/Lucas would’ve been around 15 at the time PLA released. It also just makes sense that Arceus would choose the strongest trainer in Sinnoh as its Christ figure
If we're also talking about the player character, then that's a huge paradox
@@lewisdando5642 Pokemon Masters EX debunked that with Adaman and Irida commenting how Lucas and Dawn look so similar to Akari and Rei with Lucas and Dawn not knowing what their talking about
But Pokémon masters isn't canon
After seeing the younger version of Calaba, I'm more convinced she is the ancestor of Thorton from Platinum's Battle Frontier. The hair colours are closer, similar eye colour and style - especially if you look at the VS sprite where he has frowning eyebrows.
That's what im saying, calaba is an old woman version of thorton. With no internet
Adaman gives me MAJOR champion vibes in his demeanour and design- I could see him along with other characters who don’t line up being related to characters in Scarlet and Violet
oh my god it’s been 2 months and we don’t even know that new regions name
I know the scarlet and violet dlc didn’t come out by the time this video came out but adaman has an ancestor in Perrin from the dlc.
wild we finally got the Adaman ancestor in the Teal Mask DLC
13:04 Could always work a bit like the pokemon themselves, since Pokemon can't exactly have hybrids. A skitty will either have a skitty or a wailmer, not a mix of the two.
OR, this is a dumb anime trope
This is plausible since humans and Pokémon were once the same thing (I don’t need to source that right? We all know where that’s from) so the genetics could definitely be a similar thing.
I think that Melli might have a small possibility of being both related to Avery Klara from Pokemon Sword and Shield's Isle of Amor DLC.
Both Melli and Klara specialize in Poison type Pokemon.
All three have important titles/roles in their games. (Melli being a warden and Avery becoming a Psychic type Gymleader as well as Klara becoming a Poison type Gymleader from the minor division)
All three dress in a fancy/cutesy clothing with Melli having a long beanie hat and necklace which could be fancy and having flowers on his pants and beanie as well as a heart like pattern on his beanie which could be seen as cute.
Melli and Avery both have long hair and long hats.
All three have stuck up or bad attitudes which would change in front of their superior(s). (Melli changing in front of Adaman and Klara and Avery changing in front of Mustard and kind've with Honey)
While Melli has purple eyes, Klara and Avery have blue eyes which through the generations could of changed to blue if one or more ancestors after Melli had blue eyes.
And to fit with Avery's family being great Psychics we could say that during the way two of the ancestors split up into different families with one specializing with Psychic type Pokemon and the other family specializing in Poison type Pokemon kind've like Agatha and Bertha.
There is _one other_ potential Descendant of Melli, not from the games, but rather, _the Anime..._
*Harley,* the Antagonistic Rival to May in the Advanced Arc of the Pokémon Anime, has the same Attitude, the same affinity for Creepy Pokémon, and *the Exact. Same. Hair!*
If _anyone_ were to be descended from a Jerk like Melli, it's *this guy...*
@@lianaverwood9810 OH MY GOD, SOMEONE KNOWS ABOUT HARLEY?? YEAH. THEY LOOK SO SIMILAR ITS INSANE… AUGHH..
@@SNUFFGURLL And I'm not the first to point him out.
Also, somehow I missed an AutoComplete change - I tried to say Jerk, not Jeremy.
Edit: And Fixed!
Melli is also Electrode's Warden so that might be why Avery has pokeballs levitating around his hat.
@@lianaverwood9810 I mean, if we take the anime into account, the tree dude Buck is 100% related to Brock (They even have a similair Croagunk storyline where Buck gets backpain due to a Croagunk).
Other than that though, with Melli, personality is the key (We have a game character with the exact same personality: Wallace). Both Melli and Wallace are flamboyant and both have that design inspiration: If you didn't know better, you can see it being a female.
WELP I think after the Scarlet and Violet DLC now we have an Adaman descendant ^^
How is May not an option for Palina? She's a lot closer than Irida. But that's honestly just because of the bandana.
Also Brendan has darker skin Oras too. Who knows, since Birch and Norman's kid changes depending on the player character, Palina and Ishca's descendants can either be May or Brendan. Brendan and May also have water and land themed names in the default name options for their games. The demo Brendan for ORAS is even called orLANDo.
10:28 They don’t necessarily need to be ancestors, they could just be a Great Aunt or something
That would still be ancestry, just not direct ancestry. They definitely do not need to be the parents, but they're still ancestors.
@@kingjrex3656That is just a distant relative not an ancestor
I've always seen adaman as Sycamore and irida as may, mostly because the back of the hair matches mays. I've also looked at some more, "obscure pokemon" and noticed dexio and sina. Sina kind of resembles adaman with the hair, and then dexio having the blond hair with the highlights like irida. They also have eeveelution aces, like dexio and sina.
Well now we know who Adaman's descendant is
*descendant
13:40 Perrin is adaman and irida
6:51
correction, it's "Arezu" not "aZeru"
this one's important since it's the Japanese way to pronounce "Ares"
and Ares is the Greek god of war, as in the malevolent, bloodthirsty horrors of war.
for our context, he's more of the god of war crimes.
as opposed to Athena who's the honorable god of war and wisdom.
even spartans don't like him.
the roman equivalent for Ares is Mars, which makes the clear connection.
and doing some fact checking, the JP name for Team Rocket's Ariana's is "Athena"!!!
sudden realization: Team galactic admins are named after planets in our solar system
and by extension, Roman gods.
debuting in the same generation, Team rocket's admins in the Johto remakes are named after stuff that explored space.
as in rockets, satellites etc. (that's mandatory for team *rocket* )
The names of Archer and Ariana fit this case. but their JP names are straight up Greek gods. as in Apollo and Athena.
3:18 His name is apparently pronounced “Da-Rock” via Pokémon Masters. Kaitlin has a special voice line when the two are put in the same team, and she calls him by name. Niche comment, I know.
Dwayne?
Da Rock! LOL
Adaman is just so badass in every way, that’s why I chose him to team with me after they banished me from the village 😂
This aged poorly with the scarlet and violet dlc
I also think Grimsley could be included in Adaman's gaggle of descendants. Also, maybe Melli is Tucker's ancestor?
Tucker is a possibility is haven't even considered, but yes, its a big possibility. Same as Wallace.
Going off the theory that Volo time traveled from the past to Legends…could Cogita be descended from him? That could easily explain how they both can be related to Cynthia but not know each other at all. Just a thought
I really don't believe that theory. Too much of the dialogue from Cogita and Volo's own comments about Giratina show the contrary. More likely (especially because I believe that he was projecting his own issues onto Giratina), Volo was abandoned young, Cogita in some form took him under his wing - like a distant relative turned mentor - who clearly is annoyed with his seemingly lackadaisical attitude towards work. In short, he's undeniably descended from the Celestica, but the idea that he's a time traveler just comes off as a stretch too far.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 I think some people just really want Cogita to be the Cynthia ancestor
@@DanielPereira-ey9nt I mean that's pretty much undeniably so.
I think youre close, but i cant imagine Volo having kids in his own timeline or the PLA timeline, my idea is that theyre distant relatives, like if Volo’s sister or a cousin of his had kids and Cogita came from that line
@@DanielPereira-ey9nt Yeah I think that’s practically guaranteed, the design is waaayyyy to similar to Cynthia for her NOT to be related. Like Lockstin said, when they wanna make the ancestry obvious, they make it obvious and it’s obvious in both Volo and Cogita. They’re related, we just don’t know in what way
Actually in the trailer for one of the S/V DLCs, there is a character how looks a lot like Adaman and Irida. I will not go further into descriptions i guess if someone wants to see for themselves.
I'm thinking adaman is the ancestor of pieran.
My favorite theory is that Adaman and Irida are actually representations of Barry but split into two, not necessarily his ancestors. Adaman's impatience was an obvious parallel to Barry, whereas Irida isn't that obvious, but I think she represents Barry's desire to gain experience and grow stronger. Also, if not these two, there are no other character in the game that comes close to resembling Barry, which is weird considering how the rival, one of the most traditionally important character is not being represented.
Actually Barry might represent Irida's urge to explore and not let things limit her
Like Barry when he tried to go in the tall grass without a Pokémon
14:53 I don't know why I find the idea of Adaman just going around and getting busier than a harem protagonist so funny. Like yeah I can see it. After the events of Legends he's the equivalent to a Ditto in daycare. He's got the looks for it.
Please don't make Adaman a womanizer
@@krishnagupta8503 dude’s a clan leader. Could have multiple wives or something like that as an explanation?
@@esppupsnkits4560 I think you are forgetting we are talking about pokemon
@@krishnagupta8503 so? It can still be a part of the game.
@@esppupsnkits4560 No it can't
plus adaman character is not like that
yes he is charming
but not a womanizer
I like how we got a descendant to Adaman in the DLC
Well Now In The Gen 9 Dlc Adaman Has a 100% Conformed Descendant Being Perin,Who Not Only Has His Hair Color,Plus The Diamond Clan Symbol On The Back Her Pants & A Hisuian Growlithe,But Leads You To The Bloodmoon Beast Aka Bloodmoon Ursaluna,Wich Regular Ursaluna Was Introduced As A Regional Evolution.
Finally, someone bringing up that Marlon could be Iscan's descendant! On a similar note, I've seen Burgh be brought up as a descendant of Palina, which does make some sense if the family/s at one point move to Unova.
Thoughts:
-Since that picture of young Calaba seems to have dark skin and green hair, my thoughts are that she's related to Hau, because of potential connection with Lilligant, or potentially Sawyer(anime), who also has a natural sleepy-eyed look as Calaba.
-Describing Melli as "a tad arrogant." Really? A tad? I think you're making a molehill out of a mountain, here.
-Unrelated, but can you explain your shirt's design? I recognize Arceus' symbol in the center, but that's it.
The designs are the Lake Trio's tails, symbols for the Creation Trio (top is Griseous Orb for Giratina, left is the Adamant Orb for Dialga, and right is the ring shape on Palkia's arms). The outer rings are the Plates.
@@Zenithal1843 it's also the design that appears in the heart gold and soul silver event where you bring a certain arceus to the ruins of alph. You meet Cynthia there where she takes you to somewhere in Sinnoh. There a cutscene happens and you can get a lv 1 palkia or dialka or giratina.
Hau does Hau and Liligant have anything in common?
@@krishnagupta8503 Both of them originate from Alola.
@@gamekidg7 What?
Liligant was introduced in Unova
A bit late maybe, but I wanted to state that I think Calaba is an ancestor of Aaron, the bug type E4 member. He has a hair style that looks like a weed of grass is sticking out and she carries a backpack with a leaf that sticks out above her hair.
With Melli as the ancestor for Lucian, all of the Sinnoh E4 members are accounted for which feels appropriate.
It frustrates me to no end how people aren't talking about the fact that Palina and Iscan are like obviously Lenora and Burgh's ancestors from Unova. Another pair of characters who have a specific connection, with identical hair and skin colors, Palina's hairtie being shaped like a butterfly. It's right there
Something worth noting with Laventon- Hop has the Croagunk figure in his room. I remember people thinking that, outside hinting at Gen IV remakes, it was a random thing to have in Hop's room contextually. Well, Legends gave context to it. It presumably is related to Laventon's trip to Hisui and got passed down to Hop.
I have a potentially weird theory (more like hypothesis, but still) If Palina and Iscan are meant to be references to ORAS Archie and Maxie, and the scrolls are very clearly meant to reference original Archie and Maxie, What if the individuals in those scrolls are actually meant to be the original Archie and Maxie through time travel, haven lost their memories like Ingo, they don't try to flood or burn the world, but still have that rivalry, thus forming the Diamond and Pearl clan. Then, eventually, Palina and Iscan eventually get together, eventually leading to ORAS Archie and Maxie. Basically, the idea is that by original Archie and Maxie getting sent to the past and forming the Diamond and Pearl clans, it caused a butterfly effect, which eventually causes the events of ORAS instead of the original games. I've yet to play Legends yet, so maybe there's something in the game that disproves this, but still thought I'd share it.
I always imagined that the player and whoever you didn’t choose to play as (like Akari) got together and it eventually lead into Dawn.
I really hope they make a DLC for Ingo! I need to know if he sees Emmett again! 😭💔
Calaba is actually the ancestor to Thorton, the frontier brain for the Battle Factory. Mina is still possible but the Thorton resemblance is uncanny when you pair them side by side. 👍
i literally cannot get over the "ball-loving orientation" line with the voltorb visual 😭😭 that caught me so off guard and it was hilarious
This clever mf sneakily called Melli gay & I'm actually dying. 😂
When it hit me after a minute I nearly spit my drink out.
@@CoolMintMC i literally paused the video immediately and busted out cackling, lmao. rewatched it like 2 or 3 more times before continuing the video 😭
I like how he put Arezu in the less obvious ancestor because she "kinda" looks like Silver, in spite of the fact that Arezu uses the exact same team as Mars, and Arezu is the Japanese term for Ares, who is the Greek counterpart to the Roman God Mars.
5:54 well that was oddly prophetic
Better late than never right?
Dammit
@Cosmoic U CHEATED
Now
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Tuli, the Gingko guild member, I'm pretty sure she's Caitlyn from the Sinnoh Battle Frontier/Unovan Elite Four. She has sleepy eyes and is blonde, the other two members of the Gingko guild are designed after blonde Sinnoh characters, so I think it adds up.
Also one of the generic Galaxy Team member designs heavily resembles Jupiter.
Tuli isn't anybody. She has the generic Gingko Guild female model.
@@matthewdykeman8149 It's not a re-used model tho...literally only 1 is used in the village.
& it makes sense that Tuli's descendant is Caitlyn when you think about it...Darach's ancestor literally stands right across from Tuli (considering that both Darach & Caitlyn have history together, it's kinda poetic in a way).
@@yoursoulsbelong2Nyx Yes it is you can find them in a few other locations. Off the top of my head there's another female Gingko Guild member with the same model in the Coronet highlands.
@@matthewdykeman8149 Next you'll be telling me that's there is no M A N I in PLA
@@yoursoulsbelong2Nyx No but I would point you to the character Eshim who gives you Request 65. He uses the exact same model as Tuli.
6:41 Have you considered Mallow for? The eyes are different but the skin and hair colour are the same. They also both have a connection to nature, and Mallow is a trial captain, which means that she could be considered religious. And to top it off they both gave the player a rideable normal type pokemon on four legs that look for treasure and are based off of real life animals.
Not a bad guess. In real life many japanese people moved to Hawaii to live there, and in Alola there is even a park builded by kantonians with a lake shaped as a Gyarados.
12:46
marlon’s skin is a whole lot lighter than you think. if you look closely, he has a very prominent tan line and also (dont take this weirdly) his feet are lighter tone under, as they are blocked by the weird flare-ish pants he wears
Okay, so hear me out. What if Palina and Iscan were the actual ancestors to Shelly? Both Iscan and Palina have a connection to the sea and the Pokémon in it, including how they met.
As for Shelly, her ORAS design has goggles as a prominent part of her design, as well as dark two-tone hair like Iscan's and a skin tone which falls more neatly between Pallina and Iscan. Meanwhile, her RSE look has red wavy hair and a bandanna, with caucasian skin. With that, it's possible that Iscan and Palina reference both of Shelly's possible appearances, making their connection timeline-proof
It’s actually implied by a lab assistant that Sycamore is from Sinnoh, having been an assistant to Rowan before coming to Kalos.
Rowan was also traveling outside the Sinnoh region though, he only just got back at the start of the Sinnoh games. So Sycamore could have been with him while he was traveling
Meli to me was never a big mystery. The big goofy hair, the pompous attitude, and the self-righteous birthright seems to me like a very clear analogue for Swordward and Shieldbert. If you styled his hair the way theirs is, it would look practically identical, given his thin facial structure
His?
@@JaelinBezel Yes his, melli is boy xD
Adaman turned out to be the ancestor of Perrin who appears in the Hidden Treasure of Area Zero DLC.