I think Delphox was done dirty by the 3D models. Watching the way it moves in the anime makes it so fun and fluid and it’s only the way the model is styled that hurts it
@@thesnowyzorua378 I liked Greninja more when gen 6 was new. The pose is so specific that because it’s had that in every game since release I’m kinda annoyed to see it now. Was kinda cool when it didn’t have that pose in Smash Ultimate
What I like about trubbish/garbodor is that it completes the pollution trifecta, with Koffing/Weezing being air pollution, Grimer/Muk being water pollution, and trubbish/garbodor being land pollution
Fun fact, provided by DYKG: Torchic's evo line was based on how people buy cute baby animals, like chicks, but start neglecting them or outright abandon them once they aren't tiny and cute anymore. Combusken is meant to be "ugly" as a way of trying how superficial you are.
As someone who refused to evolve my fennekin for the entire game based purely on my dislike for it's evolutions aesthetic, I feel very called out right now.
You're sort of correct Tor is based off painted chics in sold in Eastern countries sold at festivals, yes these chick's were eventually abandoned due to the fact they weren't cute anymore. However the designer purposely made blaziken "ugly" for the reason of wanting you to put it in a box and use other pokemon instead of overleveling your starter. It wasn't really made to shame you at all it was meant for you to be grossed out by the humanoid appearance and ferocity enough to move on to other pokemon.
combusken is suposed to be ugly? dude's among the most popular 2nd stage evolutions and people like him in the anime way more than when he was Torchic (helps he stopped being an annoying shit)
To be fair, the only reason golem gets a reptilian like face and skin is because of the trading mechanic that was introduced. The idea was that you would trade a machoke for a graveller, then mid trade, they would exchange their own characteristics. While golem looks more humanoid for some reason now, it also lost 2 arms that graveller had in addition to its standard 2. And machamp oddly got gravellers 2 extra arms. It is weird and i admit the two final evolutions might make someone timid, they are genuinely cool to think about pokemon and their interactions with one another
I was actually so surprised by Delphox. The Fennekin line is actually my favorite starter line, and I love the witch aesthetic. I guess I’m in the minority on that.
I didn't even think that Absol might be here. I love a lot of things around it. The Yin and Yang incorporation, its trying to warn of disasters while just getting blamed instead, its majestic and elegant design, perfect blend of a beautiful and powerful look. Such mysterisouly focused eyes. One of my favorite general designs are cats, foxes and dogs. Being Dark Type is always a plus for me, I'm naturally a night owl and I tend to find designs for shadowy/nocturnal animals much more interesting/cool. Absol is my all time favorite. ...And people are mad because it's "edgy"?
I actually used my masterball on it lol. I had spent a lot of time on route 120 and never encountered it so thought it was really rare. I still laugh about it.
What's funny about the "it edgy so it bad" take is that ... a big part of the reason why I immediately grabbed one for my original Sapphire team was because of the "edge". Being a lonely canine in which disaster follows is such a metal concept and my dumb little gothy heart was like "Yes! That's the one!" Eventually I appreciated Absol for other qualities, and it is still easily in my top 50 Pokemon.
I hate that people use "edgy" to mean bad when it's just a quality that can be done well or poorly. Some of my favorite childhood shows/games Ren and Stimpy, Mortal Kombat and Doom are peak edginess, but they are also some of the most iconic franchises of the 90's. The word also gets misused to mean anything that isn't cute or super happy all the time, so a lot of tragic or brooding characters get mislabeled as edgy for having the gall to show emotion once in a while.
Yeah. Absol was the one that made me turn the video off. I’ve never heard of anyone who dislikes Absol… (or Pineco, Machoke, etc for that matter) Maybe the creator had some process that wasn’t entirely clear to me when ranking these, but it didn’t seem very accurate.
I did expect Lopunny to pop up in the controversy. The idea for the design of the pokémon to be based of a Playboy Bunny is quite interesting since they are popular in Japan. I just like to think Lopunny takes its form from the very strong bonding the trainer works on effortlessly on obtaining. When the trainer finally gains Buneary's trust, that influence made it want and try to look more human-like, all because of a very strong physical/spiritual trust between the two of them. I love Lopunny for this concept I like to think of, and because it gives of motherly vibes; the idea of caring and supporting others.
I never really cared about lopunny mostly because of it's terrible stats, but i thought its mega was really awesome until megas can't be used, it did change big time when i got a shiny Buneary in legends arceus on my playthrough and getting lopunny was awesome i loved its attitude and style with the animations and the backflip kicks it would do.
If you ask me, I think that Delphox would've been received much better by the fans if it wasn't leaked before the release of X and Y. Some of the 3D models on the 3DS didn't look the best scrunched up on a screen, and if we saw the art before the models, maybe people would feel at least a little bit better about Delphox. Honestly, Chesnaught and Greninja could apply here as well. Specifically Chesnaught because we all know how a majority of the fanbase feels about Greninja nowadays.
Honestly, I didn't have it spoiled and it still ended up being the first time I was actually kinda disappointed by my starter's final evolution. Contrary to what TG7 said though, I don't mind the femininity. My main gripe seems to be that it's just a hairier Braixen. It doesn't really add on much, especially to the branch wand gimmick. Fennekin eats twigs, Braixen uses a branch as a magic wand and stores it in its tail which makes it look like a witch's broom, and Delphox uses the same wand except it now hides it in its fur robe sleeves? Kind of anticlimactic. It should've become a either a witch's broom or a wizard staff if they wanted to build on the concept. Other than that, maybe they could've found a way to make its ears look like the typical witch/wizard hat. I wouldn't have had any issues if they went in a completely different direction and made it quadrupedal, but I can also see how that might be a bit too similar to Ninetales, so I get it.
I love how it can be said that the feminine starters are disliked for being feminine but the same people likely ignore how masculine pretty much all the other starters are.
I personally prefer less humanoid starters in general, feminine or masculine. I want monsters. I think humanoids are best reserved for legendary and pseudo legends
The introduction episode saved Muk for me, he's just so LARGE, it makes his design make sense to me. He's not just Grimer, he looks like the logical conclusion of getting stronger, older and bigger. He's too big to have the same cohesion of his prevolution, but he also doesn't seem like he cares. He's past that, and as a slime it doesn't detract from his power anyways.
I like Muk because it had high hp, attack, and Sp Def. So it is a tanky pokemon that can hit back. And poison is one of my favorite types. I think Alolan Muk is way cooler though.
Watching Muk constantly trying to hug Professor Oak and see Ash through the video calls made it really endearing for me. The anime was a major influence on a lot of my opinions. Fans that grew up with Ash's Muk probably feel differently than younger fans that weren't exposed to such goofy yet lovable depiction of it.
I think my biggest problem with Volcanion is it’s lack of a “gimmick”. Diancie got a mega, Hoopa got its unbound form. Volcanion is the only one of the Gen 6 mythicals with nothing aside from a unique type combo. I know it’s not required but seeing as the other mythicals of this Gen did get one it was only natural to expect Volcanion to get one as well
Honestly I don’t really think so it’s more of us rarely even seeing it and literally anything in games and or media or movies about him put out I haven’t seen one in years and I only know some friends who have one in their PC box and Pokémon home and that’s it it doesn’t really have a story presents anywhere
I just think Volcanion's weird tube thing looks dumb. If it didn't have that I'd like it way more. I get the design, it just doesn't sit right with me.
Gen 5's problem I think is that it just had so many mons that of course some of them would end up being a bit weird. If they went for a lower dex count we could've had a stronger overall batch. Gen 5 has some of my all time favorites, like Chandlure, Zebstrika, Hydreigon, Sawsbuck, Scolipede, Bisharp, Maractus...
@@yawninglion1677 Since it seems Gen 5 was meant to be a soft/hard reimagining of Gen 1 trends, I get the higher dex count. Vanilite is still a better Ice-Type than Dewgong and the Garbodor line is far less redundant than the Muk line.
@@amesstarline5482 Oh, don't get me wrong, I love both Vanillite and Garbodor! I also do understand what they were going for. I just think that in general their need to make more mons meant they had to make some weaker mons in addition to some fantastic ones. Overall it's my favorite region though, so don't take it as me disliking Gen 5. Quite the opposite!
People were expecting Coalossal to be a train monster, but it technically still is. The entire evolution line creates a train. Rolycoly represents the wheels Carkol represents the carts Coalossal is the engine
I dislike people hating on the coalossal line for "not being a train". It has some vague train designs but that's not the main concept at all. It was never intended to be a train. Fans just got angry when their completely made up expectation didn't come true. The whole line is a reference to coal and coal related concepts getting progressively bigger: Rolycoly is a literal piece of coal and a miner cap. Carkol is a miner car. With even more coal. Coalossal is a coal monster that carries coal in it's back like a miner. And gmax coalossal is the entire coal mine and a giant furnace for the coal.
When I say Delphox is my favorite starter it often raises an eyebrow. I like wizards and witch designs, I love kitsune, and Delphox has a lot of versatility when it comes to tricky builds (like a magician!)
@@Rough_Estimates lol and after that every starter is basically furry bait, delphox was at least a good design, unlike Chesnaught or any of the gen 8 starters' final form
western people just find everything weird when they dont understand it, Pokemon is a Japanese game, and western players keep failing to understand where the inspirations came from
I kinda love those gear pokemon because it actually stayed the same sprite with each evolution, but with added parts, so it had a genuine upgrade feel to it compared to the usually "organic" evolutions pokemon have that change everything about them
Toxel is the cutest baby pokemon ever and I will never understand why it's not more popular. It's soooo adorable! With its little grumpy face, hanging tongue, and puffy cheeks! And the way it attacks! My heart melts! Toxel and Stufful are definitely two of my absolute favorite Pokemon! They're so cuuute! Whenever I see them, I act like a 10 Y/O seeing a kitten for the first time.
I started out disliking the ultra beasts but now they're easily my favourite part of gen 7. The idea of creating pokemon for an entirely different universe with a different ecology and different evolutionary pressures on what becomes pokemon. How inhuman, bizarre, unsettling and weird they are is definitely a bonus now.
I'm insulted on behalf of all Delphox. I love this pokemon and the fact that it reminds me of magicians. Wizardmon and Dark magician are two of my fav magic users.
@@FerreTrip It is a cat, I love cats. it was my starter in Violet. My very first grass starter in a long time. Had it not been a cat I would've picked the fire starter.
@@FerreTripI also picked it just for the cat and ended up with the masquerade made me really happy. Reminded me of an old song welcome to the masquerade that is very fitting for Pokémon.
Honestly love Delphox and Primarina as is. Delphox especially I can't understand how people actively dislike its design. Both though do stand fourth and fifth of my favourite starters. Absol, who cares if it is possibly seen as edgy. It is a legitimately cool and interesting Pokémon that I love regardless. That said, I understand why each Pokémon is here. As much as I may not like the fact for some, it is fairly reasonable for each.
I’ve only ever been mad about the fact that delphox A. Is always a boy because starters are usually boys🥲 and B. It’s not a psychic type?? I don’t understand. Absolute is okay, tbh I think it would be emo since everyone thinks it brings destruction and it’s just trying to help :’)
@@gskbdos7076 All Starters have that 7:1 male to female ratio, if that were to change, tou could expect an entire starter trio with unique ratios at first, not just one that barely looks feminine. And it is a psychic type. It is the second, and so far only other fire and psychic after Victini. Only Ninetales comes close being a pure fire famous for having psychic powers.
I don't hate Delphox, but it didn't really wow me when my Braixen evolved. It's not terribly designed or ugly by any means, but it was just so boringly similar, unlike the other Kalos starters who got pretty solid glow ups. I was just like "okay, it got hairier, anything else?" It was kind of a letdown. I was mainly hoping for something cool to happen with the branch, like turning it into a witch broom or a wizard staff, but that aspect went virtually unchanged. Other than that, I would've liked if they had managed to work in that iconic mage hat like they did the scarf for Greninja and I wish they'd kept yellow and white as the main colors because even now they help Fennekin and Braixen stand out better amongst the sea of red and orange Fire starters.
Aromatisse is one of the most beautiful unique design ideas in Pokemon. It's one of my favorite pokemon ever. The parfume old burlesque, Plaque Doctor cross over is so clever. And they made it gorgeous.
I was disappointed with aromatisse at first because I also wanted a plague doctor but then my sister started calling it the "showgirl birdie" and now I like it. It's camp. Same with Bruxish.
I’m surprised the regis weren’t included in the gen 3 section, I thought they were somewhat divisive with how uncanny they looked and how unlike anything that came before they felt. Not to mention the whole creepy vibe of the lore and locations surrounding them and their presence.
To be fair they are handmade pokemons made by basically the father of at least 4 regions, who also looks weird, but it's nothing like Golurk where he looks completely man made.
i mean if mimikyu can find rags and turn it into clothes, why cant other pokemon do the same thing? to me, the games were always to reflect what actually happens in the pokemon world as if we were actually living in it, so ceatures like machoke would find and make its clothes as a machop before it evolves. i dont think about pokemon that have accessories as them being born with it, or gaining it when they evolve. but rather them finding it or creating it themselves. theres plenty of iterations of pokemon losing/finding their accessories in the anime too
As a Castform enjoyer myself (bet you couldn't tell). I was surprised to see him as number 1 in Hoenn since I thought everyone was either neutral or laughed at this thing for unfortunately incorporating it being a water molecule in a.....let's just say unflattering light. Then I remembered how a certain someone making a certain phrase for a certain form of Castform probably brought an influx of fans.
I think it's the fact that people can only get it from the Weather Institute which is a major requirement, and that its gimmick is changing its typing and former signature move by the weather, but it's not very strong stat wise. So it's underwhelming.
Surprised Incineroar wasn't included. I hear a lot of people questioning it's buff humanoid design and it's often used as a prime example for Pokemon designs that look too human.
"Some think [sunflora] is one of the most laziest designs in the franchise." Have these people *seen* electrode? The pokemon where all they did was take its previous form, turn it upside down and make it smile.
I will come to the Vanilluxe lines defense by saying this: a relatively unknown part of its design is that it purposely makes the snow on its top half because it would melt otherwise. Also, I just think their adorable.
A lot of people just think that their idea of what Pokemon should or shouldn't be is the right one, so anything that steps outside of their perceived expectation is automatically bad, weird, or controversial. Even if the design tropes have always been in the franchise, or are a part of Japanese culture/mythology, which has a lot of strange and wacky characters, which people denounce as nonsensical/bad. I don't really understand most of the complaints people make when it comes to designs, saying it's too human, lazy, just an object, etc. There's supposed to be variety and there's nothing wrong with simplicity or complexity, IMO, but sometimes it's just a sense of "What are you even talking about?"
There was a slow but gradual change of design in Pokémon and now the whole concept of Pocket Monster is not a thing anymore Some design were simply to succesful (blaziken and gradevoir) and led to always more imitations (like Lucario) Now also Pokémon are more cartoony, with less ""realistic"" features, this help a lot with merchandising, which is the main source of money for this IP. If you want a good explample of this just looks at the new evolutions, they are literally a dressed up versions of umbreon (which is the most popular evee)
@@stylesheetra9411 Heavy disagree. Yes, there is a change in design, sure. Sugimori stated that with Gen 3, he wanted to push the notion of what could or couldn't be a Pokemon, which lead to Blaziken. However, Blaziken wasn't meant to be a success. He said that Blaziken was meant to give a feeling of disappointment after Torchic grew up, similar to how painted chicks (what Torchic is based on), grew up and weren't cute anymore. So no, the change wasn't 'just for success' The concept of Pocket Monster is still the same. Pokemon have always been cartoony. Just because certain older Pokemon's limbs have a few 'joint lines' and edges or their proportions are real doesn't negate that some of them resembled cartoon animals. and not to be rude, but that Eeveelution point just feels like a clear example of what I said about 'What are you even talking about?' all of the Eeveelutions were "designed with the times", per the actual designer. are you saying that because they also don't have 'neck ruffs' that Leafeon, Glaceon, and Sylveon are Umbreon clones? If so, that's very dumb.
@@darkandwindie i have no problem with gen 3 It was a new idea and It was cool, The problem is that it was way to succesful If for every swampert toy they sell 10 blaziken toys, there is no point to create Pokémon like swampert anymore Pokémon company make is profit through merchandise not via videogames, so they followed this thread for the new Pokémon For eveelotions I think absurd you dont even understand the problem, vaporeon was literally a fish, flareon and jolteon had "elemental motif" fur Leafeon is different colored umbreon with 10 leaves on it, Imagine if flareon would be a umbreon with 2 flames ears, rapidash tail and other 7 flames randomly throw on its body like leafeon is Glaceon have nothing related to ice on its fur but the fringe nor is body evolved to survive in cold temperature (like vaporeon) Like I said, those are garbage design In older gen they designed Pokémon that fit the world, the design Pokémon to sell more Toys, plushies etc
As a mexican , lotad lombre and ludicolo are absolutely one of my favorite pokemon in the game i will always go out to of my way to have one on my team if its available in a game, him and Hawlucha who is my number 1 favorite
fwiw Mexicans love their own stereotypes, anytime you see controversy because a Mexican-looking character is allegedly racist, you'll have an army of Mexicans ready to tell you to stop being offended on someone else's behalf, and that Sombrero Poncho Mario is awesome and so is Speedy Gonzales. That said, there's no much Lombre discussion, it's mostly Ludicolo for being happy dancing pineapple mariachi Pokémon
Honestly everything is offensive to someone somewhere and trying to tip toe around every cultural offense is impossible. Especially how much opinions vary from person to person. The easiest example I can think of is eating food. In some cultures you have to eat all your food or it’s rude or you have to leave a small portion to show it the food was so good you couldn’t finish or it’s rude. So how do you do both? I think it’s good to be knowledgeable on other cultures and mindful but getting offended over silly things especially for other people is insane. People need to learn to be a bit more tolerant and not take everything so seriously.
Honestly as a girl who played pokemon from a young age- I loved Gardevoir, and she was always like my “ace” in so many games. So when I got older and realized what the internet had done to her it really disheartened me and still does. I try to avoid having a Gardevoir on my team sometimes and I wish I didn’t have to feel that way about her. I also can’t help but notice how many of the objectively feminine pokemon make this list
Why do you sometimes avoid having her on your team? I loved her since gen 3 cuz she was a kickass psychic powerhouse, and I still use her anytime I'm looking for a classic. Can't really understand how the Internet being the internet would make that change for me. Not trying to sound rude, I just wanna understand what's different about your thought process from mine
I may sound rude but if I like a pokemon I don't give a fuck what the internet say about it, let someone you don't even know dictate your actions is stupid, thats why I keep using my favorite pokemons to this day and enjoying myself
It has come to a point where seeing gardevoir makes my heart ache, because it was my and many other kids' favorite pokemon, but then the internet happened and now we can't google it without running into unholy territory.
I like pretty much all of these, they're fun designs imo, some of them are an acquired taste for sure, like Magmortar. Also I love Delphox, and don't really consider it TOO feminine, it's a cool wizard, Gandalf comes to mind. Inteleon grew on me a CRAZY amount recently because of how cool the concept is, even if the execution is mid, the concept is so much cooler than the other Galar starters that I like it far more
Same the only mons I really don’t like are Greedent, Simisear, Ambipom and Darmanitan. Greedent looks like a stuffed animal that I was terrified of as a toddler and I find it uncomfortable to look at.
As far as gen 4 goes, I feel like a lot of the controversy around designs stems from evolving pokemon from previous gens. When we’ve already had years to fall in love with some pokemon, design et al, seeing them get evolutions mostly feels like a betrayal of what we had grown to love over many years. It’s a like music artists having demo-itis. Having listened to their own song so many times that they have internalised every sound in order, even minor changes naturally sound off because they deviate from the pattern that your brain recognises, not necessarily because they are worse.
@@hoseasylvester2596 I hated most of the designs initially, but having had 15 years to get used to them, I definitely appreciate them more now. Always hated Magmortar and Electivire in particular, until BDSP when I used a Magmortar for the first time ever, and i kinda like it now. Only designs that straight up elevated the evolution line for me are Weavile, Honchkrow, and Mamoswine.
i just wanted to point out that if you trade a graveler for a machoke, both will evolve, right? but did you notice that machamp takes on graveler's extra arms and golem's head is reminiscent of machoke's head? i feel like these two mons were paired up in that way similar to how the abra line are compared to the ghastly line, big spooky special attackers
2:06 I have a love/hate relationship with the golem evo-line lol In PLA, I found like THREE shiny geodudes (one of them was an alpha). At first I was annoyed with this evo-line because I wanted more variety in my shinies, and also because shiny geodude and graveller were a gross shade of yellow. But then, I decided to evolve the alpha one into golem, and it was a BEAUTIFUL light yellow / cream colour. Because of that I started to really LOVE shiny golem. Now I'd say that golem is one of all-time favourate pokémon, and one of my favourate shiny-mons
I think the interpretation of the color is a big part. I interpret shiny Geodude as gold, so I like the color. Sort of how I like some green Shinies in Pokémon Go that I hated in previous games due to the slight changes in color palette.
@@The_One_In_Black however nothing was able to save dragonite's disgusting shiny. I thought the saturation would help. Nope. Its still just as bad in the same but different ways.
Controversial opinion; Unown is a cool ass Pokémon. 1. Turning something as mundane as the literal alphabet into a lore centric and mystical mon is very impressive designwise 2. They’re some of, if not the most, mysterious Pokémon in existence and the areas you can find them always add memorable spice to the region they’re in 3. Collecting all 28 forms presents an interesting Dex Challenge and adds to game content when done well (a la legends arceus) 4. Their whole portrayal of being weak to the point of uselessness alone but when together becoming unstoppable benders of reality makes them feel like the building blocks of the Pokémon world
Yes! Thank you! I tried to collect a bunch of the Unown cards back when I was a kid! I'm happy to see other people like them too lol. God bless you friend! ✝️ :)
You have summed up various thoughts that I have had about Unown while playing through the Pokémon series, but all in one place and at one time. It’s honestly given me a newfound respect for unown, so thank you
I have absolutely no idea why the vanillite line is so hated when it’s got more inspiration than probably 80% of gen 1 Pokémon. It’s not even a LITERAL ice cream. It’s a sad lil piece of ice that decorated itself with snow to look cuter
I have never once in the 20 years I have played pokemon looked at a Moltress and thought it looked like a rubber chicken on fire. Now, I can't unsee it. Thanks for that.
I really like the klinklang line, really the main thing going against them being the names with the fact that the final evo's name is literally the names of the first 2 stages combined does not help it at all with how much people tend to hate gen 5 pokemon designs.
@@El_Chucho_Bravo no, it's an excuse for the people who defend gen 5. Gen 5 is, on average, the worst gen, and this Pokemon is one that people who defend it as being an exception and not the rule. Just because it's one of the worst doesn't mean the rest of gen 5 is good.
Gardevoir has actually always been one of my favorite pokemon, but I'm always embarrassed to admit it because when people talk about it.. they always talk about how it's sexualized 💀
Yes that is a shame... such beautiful, graceful and elegant pokemon, with such great lore and so mistreated by perverted anti-fans... (yes, she's one of my favorites too ;))
I like getting male gardevoirs and naming them X or Megaman because the “hair” always looks like the blue bomber’s helmet. I also give it varying type coverage to make it seem like he has the same multiple abilities acquired
@@Lyokoheros-KLPXTV Why would you call them anti-fans? If anything they seem like the opposite of that, they're overwhelming fans who want to expand on the ways they can enjoy Pokemon or Gardevoir in particular. I've always been a fan of Gardevoir as well, it's design is incredibly elegant and pretty. I don't mind saying it still is one of my favorites, and I don't mind that it's sexualized in fan art at all. There's nothing really wrong with that, people aren't hurting anyone by doing so and they can't help they are in love with a Pokemon or whatever causes them to do with with Gardevoir in particular so much.
It may be the bias from her being my first ever starter, but Delphox is my favorite Pokémon and always will be! My love for her is immense and undying.
Never played any pokemon game (except Pokemon Go, when my Delphox performs pretty well, not so rarely she can take all three enemies pokemon almost alone), and for a long time abondon pokemon not long after Johto journey started... and still I agree Delphox is the best fire starter and maybe best starter in general.
It’s because its move set in Gen 1 was crippled by a programming error, causing it to learn Leer at level 51 rather than Fire Blast, and thus severely affecting its use when compared to the other two.
Flint: fire type elite four member. Infamously does not have fire types in Drifblim, a *hot* air balloon. Steelix, lives *in* magma, and lastly Lopunny, a *hot* bunny. I see you Flint, I see you.
Some thoughts: Charizard: I definitely understand the resentment many people have, as Charizard seems to be Gamefreak's favorite, but you have to admit it's a great design. Its simplicity is a good thing imo, and it lends itself to versatile form changes. All its alternate forms look sick as hell, and it's because they're built on an already very solid design. Combusken: It's a chicken that's molting. It's supposed to be a bit awkward. But I love it because it still very much looks like a fire-fighting chicken. I actually prefer it over Blaziken. Blaziken looks a bit too awkward for me. I think I would like it better if it kept its bird feet, and looked a bit more like a raptor and less like a human. I never really liked that Blaziken's feet are cylinders with claws coming out the bottom. I still have a soft spot for the entire line though, as Torchic was my first pokemon. I always make a competitive team based around Blaziken every gen.
I actually love Skuntank. It's a depiction of a skunk monster that plays off the fact that skunk spray is flammable by giving it moves like Flamethrower and Explosion.
When I first saw Aromatisse I was so happy with the evo, it make me think of a cute owlbear, cancan dancer. I'm always a little sad when people hate on it, but it just goes to show even when there's a pokemon design you don't like, someone out there loves it.
I love Aromatisse~ At first I was a Little disappointed id didn't turn into the scary plague doctor I'd have loved for it to end up as. But as years went by, I really grew to like this fluffy friend :3
I can see why people would like aromatisse, even with my distaste towards it, I can identify features that would make it enjoyable, it’s just that those same features unsettle me. Unlike diggersby, who’s traits should gross out and unsettle everyone, diggersby is just atrocious, and has no right to be that ugly.
"A mess of a family, with disgusting veins, distressing protrusions, clown noses, and confusing held items." A great example of controversial design, as everything listed there is pretty much exactly what I like about their designs :)
I can’t believe there is hate toward Delphox. That is one of, if not my most, favorite starter lines. I love Delphox. It’s a flame witch and super cool! ❤
You mean super ugly/weird/wasted potential. After the blast that braixens design was we got the worst representation of a witch we could have got in pokemon.
For people who keep saying that Inteleon is “too skinny” have you not seen a actual small lizard before? Lizards are skinny animals. Inteleon isn’t based on a bulky reptile like a Komodo Dragon, Crocodile, Monitor Lizard, or even a dragon. It’s based on a Jesus Lizard which is small agile lizard that can run on water. Plus it’s a sniper which means they rather fight at a distance rather then up close.
I don't know what people want, for it to have more humanoid proportions? I've also seen art of Inteleon as a quadruped, and It. Is. Cursed. It's the most popular Galar Pokemon in Japan, and well deserved imo.
@@Jollofmuncher2000 it might look bad to some, but it's not a bad design. It's pretty accurate to the basilisk lizard. I love it personally and think the skinniness works
I knew Inteleon was going to be on the list for Galar, but I was also expecting Cinderace to be on here. I've seen both a lot of love and a lot of hate for it. I'm on the side of loving Cinderace myself. It manages to look both cool and cute to me, and I like it's energetic personality too. It quickly became my favorite Fire Starter. Also, regarding Primarina, I love it and it's my overall favorite Starter Pokémon. It's a beautiful and adorable Pokémon with really neat inspirations, and people hate it just because it's feminine.
Honestly Detective Pikachu did a lot to win Mr Mime over for me. I'm glad you included him over say Jinyx because Mr Mime doesn't deserve as much hate as he gets.
The entire Sobble line are by far my favourite Pokémon in the series, I love all of their designs and how much personality they all have, that’s what all of the old starters and old Pokémon in general are missing imo, most of the are just cool for the sake of looking cool and cute for the sake of looking cute, but the Sobble line manages to be cute and cool while being more than just that, I think all of their designs are perfect and I wouldn’t change anything about them.
about Golem. gen1 trade evolutions was supposed to "fuse" the pokemon, kinda like shelmet/karrablast (karrablast takes shelmet's shell). so, if you tade a Graveler with Machoke, you get Golem - which gets a reptilian head from machoke, and also a machamp- which gets 4 arms from graveler.
Woah, I used to watch your videos back in 2015, 2016 and was reminded of your content earlier today talking about fakemon. It blows my mind such a huge part of my young childhood still updates. Thank you
Eventhough Incineroar is more popular nowadays (which I glad to see), I still think it's a bit controversial due to it being bipedal/humanoid and that it looks like a Fire/Fighting Starter (eventhough it's not) and I've seen a good number of people are *still* salty that it wasn't a quadruped tiger. Could Incineroar be quadruped? Sure. But I personally think for what they went with, it was very well executed. But that's just my personal opinion.
I don't mind it either. I personally like Incineroar and I would've liked a quadruped tiger but Incineroar looks cool to me, and it still resembles its previous forms. It does the heel concept well.
Incineroar is cool... Tho the "hate" I have for Incineroar is because it took the gen 7 Rep Spit for Smash. Other than that It's a cool starter And it's definitely strong.
I don’t care whether something is bipedal. This opinion that bipedal automatically equals bad is so trash. I don’t really like the design of incineroar but it being on all fours isn’t going to fix anything.
Gen 3 is peak Pokemon design in my books. All Pokemons were actual mons, not random objects turned into living things, which is probably my biggest gripe with gen 5 onward. Imagine if in between things like lizards, bats, chickens and dogs you find gears, keychains, chandeliers or fricking ice cream cones. The only Pokemon line that comes to my mind that looks man made is the magnemite line, but even there its somewhat okay since its based on magnetic forces that exist naturally.
I notice that videos like these apply best to the attitudes of fans in US, Canada, UK, etc. You'll find that in different countries like Japan, perspectives are very different. This is particularly evident when you compare the worldwide Pokemon of the Year poll of 2020 to the Japan-only 2021 one.
I can understand Intelleon being as divisive as it is. It's been 3 years and I don't even know how I feel about it. It's this mix of cool and weird that just leaves me confused.
I loved Sobble but was split on Inteleon. Currently I'm just feeling disappointed with it, because I think it's design could've been so much better. I don't really hate the design, I just don't like it because I love Sobble so much and it feels like missed potential.
Sure, maybe Intelleon could have been executed better, but I've never understood the hate. I don't love it, but just because something is perceived as "weird", that doesn't mean it's automatically bad. I think the theme of it's line is better than most.
as a delphox lover (and just the fennekin line being my fav starter line in general) the comment you made about it being the first explicitly feminine starter was something very interesting ive never thought of!
That’s exactly as it should be. I think it goes to show how poorly people judge and perceive things. If you think about life on earth there are plenty of things people would automatically associate with being feminine. Eg. butterflies and birds where the most elegant and colourful gender is actually the males. A especially great example is the peacock. Assuming gender based on appearance is an awful strategy yet it’s a go to for people on so many things. Always trying to assign non human things with human traits and attributes. There are even some species that are extremely hard to differentiate even if you are educated on them like the hyena.
@@DanielPereira-ey9nt not really explicit though. But fennekin line is pretty explicit about it since the second stage (thanks God without having sexualized design... though I bet some perverted anti-fans may make their own sexualized versions...)
So people are weird about feminine designs. Not even I’m a esh way they just think it’s dumb. Probably because it causes so cognitive dissonance when the mon is a boy. I don’t have this problem because my third ever mon was a male Gaurdivor and I got used to it pretty quick.
I've always liked Combusken the most out of the evolutions. For some reason it reminds me of Foghorn Leghorn. However, I never noticed it's glorious shape until just now. It jumped up several pages in my book.
When you think about it Graveler has four arms and machoke has reptilian yet humanoid features and when traded graveler and machoke features swapped golem has a reptilian vibes and machamp has four arms
I personally adore Aromatisse. It's like a perfume bottle can-can dancer with a little bow on the back and a sassy crooked arm. Definitely fits the Fairy typing.
As someone who lives in the Sunflower State, I feel insulted regarding Sunflora. Gardevoir is my favorite Gen 3 mon. I think the design is cool. Plus, I like Gallade as well. I love the Swords of Justice, mostly because I've used them on playthrough teams. Delphox is my favorite Gen 6 starter. Foxes are one of my favorite animals.
Honerable mention for gen 2 would be baby-mons I just had an idea, it’s probably not original, but a different idea for the gen 8 fossil mons is to have a 2nd fossil researcher where you can also get the “correct” forms. although maybe have to reduce the number of fossil types. maybe the zolt, draco, and vish parts stay but the arcto goes
I will defend Inteleon 'till the day I die! It's so cool! What's not to love about a Secret Agent lizard that can snipe opponents with a literal water gun. I picked Sobble for how cute it is, was amused by Drizzile's 'emo' appearance, and absolutely adored my Secret Agent. Ray the Inteleon will always be one of my top Galar favorites.
I definitely agree! I loved it since it was leaked, and thought it would be a popular Pokemon! But its reception didn't make me like it any less, it maybe boosted my love for it because I defend it pretty often
It's a darn shame about Delphox being here tho, many complained about the big fluff ears and i say " Well yeah..it Evolved" Anyway seems the hate/Controversy for it calmed down as of late and it even got into Pokemon Unite~ ain't gonna forget about the 2020 Pokemon of the year poll either! Primarina is the same way also!
@@ShadowSkyX first ear floof (which many beloved animals have) and now noses, especially boopable noses? Edit: Now it's the fact that sprigatito is a cat, i cant take this anymore
I think Jynx shouldve been on the list, not simply dishonorable mention It was literally modelled after human stereotype and had to get its skin changed from black to purple
"Some still come to it's defence, even though it doesn't really need it." "It has a pretty high Defence stat." Absolute Gold, *Heart* Gold. Great video as usual TrueGreen! Keep up the great work.
Even though that there controversial I like the idea and the design of the ultra beasts since they're just essentially aliens and that's cool because we don't know what type of other animals live in space. Even though most people don't like them I hope the ultra beasts get more exposure maybe we can get some new ones
I actually am one of the people who don’t really mind the Trubbish line. I think Trubbish is kinda cute, and Garbodor is…just ok. I admit I hate it’s arms, I wish they were symmetrical. I despise asymmetrical Pokémon designs with the burning passion of a million universes. It physically hurts my brain to see asymmetry in Pokémon designs. But other the the arms, Garbodor’s not that bad.
3:08 Muk is my second favourite Pokemon. Well, I generally give Pokemon from the same line the same spot, unless I feel drastically differently about them. So Gulpin and Swalot are my favourite, and Grimer and Muk are my second favourite. I actually find them lovable and adorable, and I love the interesting texture of petting them in Pokemon Amie. It's a bit tricky not to hurt them, but I know how to pet them just like they like it. I guess that shows how much I've done it. Oh, and on my first Pokemon journey I had a Muk right by my side, as my main Pokemon for a while, and then only second to my Swalot. Can you tell what my favourite type is?
I chose sobble as my first gen 8 starter and I absolutely adored seeing my tiny lil sad boi turn into an edgy tween and then a cool agent, I think its the most emotional change that any starter goes through.
When Rolycoly was first revealed, was I super excited at the thought of it becoming a locomotive monster because Thomas the Tank Engine was one of my main childhood obsessions (along side Pokemon), and the idea of having a full-on locomotive Pokemon had me excited. But instead they went with a generic rock monster design. As if we didn't already had enough of those. The disappointment I had that day when I first saw Coalossal was immeasurable. Coalossal has grown on me since then, I still can't help but feel that it was a pretty big missed opportunity.
It was never intended to be a train. Like, at all. The whole line actual concept is things related to coal. That's why it starts as a piece of coal/miner cap, the to a miner car full of coal, then to a miner monster that carries coal and then to a entire coal mine with a giant furnace in its gmax form.
A train pokemon would have been just as stupid as the ice cream cone, the keychain, the apple pie, etc. etc. etc. Gen 1 and 2 will always be superior because their designs weren't so corny.
Ultra Beast Enjoyer here! I freaking love the designs of the UBs and how we get canonical info that there are other dimensions with never before seen Pokémon, which look totally different from anything we've seen before! People need to look at Ultra Beasts like they're looking at an undiscovered species from space, because, well, that's what they are! Much Love to the Ultra Beasts! I can kind of understand Lusamine's madness, heheh...
@@GoInGcRzokay, Jynx is LITERALLY a controversial Pokemon but gets a dishonorable mention that neglects any actual mention race/stereotyping issue yet Lombre is just on the list AND gets the full on explanation: "Mexican stereotypes made people uncomfortable." I DOUBT anyone would consider Lombre "popular." The logic isn't tracking.
@@TrojanalohaPretty sure I have seen much more positivity towards the Lombre Line than Jynx. It's not the most popular Pokemon ever but it isn't super hated either
Bro yes thank you, Rhyperior is one of if not my favorite Gen 4 mon. Aside from being the ace of Palmer, it’s the first rock monster we had that actually donned real armor(I don’t count Bastiodon). Being able to fire actual Pokémon from its cannon arms, and the gruff voice they gave it in the anime cemented my appreciation.
I really liked a lot of the Gen 4 added Evos when they came out. "More evolutions? Cool!" But now I can see how weird some of these are. Especially Rhyperiors colour and to much added bulk compared to their pre evo.
i was shocked the first time i heard the elemental monkeys were hated, and even more so when i learned that simisear was the least popular of them! i dont know why, but ive always thought simisear looked really neat and way prefer it over the simipour and simisage. probably one of my top pokemon
Bastiodon is one of my favorite pokemon & my favorite of all the fossils. i think if it got better stall moves like access to recovery & higher HP, it would be an excellent utility pokemon in competitive. i really think there should be an item that raises max HP, since it’s the only stat you can’t raise in battle
I think Delphox was done dirty by the 3D models. Watching the way it moves in the anime makes it so fun and fluid and it’s only the way the model is styled that hurts it
For sure if it's animations weren't so stiff it wouldn't be as controversial.
I still love it but I'll admit I love greninja most put of the trio
@@thesnowyzorua378 I liked Greninja more when gen 6 was new. The pose is so specific that because it’s had that in every game since release I’m kinda annoyed to see it now. Was kinda cool when it didn’t have that pose in Smash Ultimate
Same , delphox is my favorite final stage starter
Yeah I agree--I love the Fennekin line a lot
What I like about trubbish/garbodor is that it completes the pollution trifecta, with Koffing/Weezing being air pollution, Grimer/Muk being water pollution, and trubbish/garbodor being land pollution
I never thought of that O.O no joke, you blew my mind lol
I thought Ghastly was supposed to be the air pollution.
@@zxylo786 Gastly's a ghost lmao
@@AtlasNovack a ghost literally made of toxic gas.
Oh my I thought I crazy for seeing trump in gumshoo.
Fun fact, provided by DYKG: Torchic's evo line was based on how people buy cute baby animals, like chicks, but start neglecting them or outright abandon them once they aren't tiny and cute anymore.
Combusken is meant to be "ugly" as a way of trying how superficial you are.
As someone who refused to evolve my fennekin for the entire game based purely on my dislike for it's evolutions aesthetic, I feel very called out right now.
You're sort of correct Tor is based off painted chics in sold in Eastern countries sold at festivals, yes these chick's were eventually abandoned due to the fact they weren't cute anymore. However the designer purposely made blaziken "ugly" for the reason of wanting you to put it in a box and use other pokemon instead of overleveling your starter.
It wasn't really made to shame you at all it was meant for you to be grossed out by the humanoid appearance and ferocity enough to move on to other pokemon.
That ofc backfired in a "good" way if you like standing starters. The popularity of the pokemon ensured most starters afterwards would be on two legs.
Me, a person who will regularly use Torchic on Hoenn playthroughs and intentionally evolve it before Roxanne: I have no such weaknesses.
combusken is suposed to be ugly? dude's among the most popular 2nd stage evolutions and people like him in the anime way more than when he was Torchic (helps he stopped being an annoying shit)
To be fair, the only reason golem gets a reptilian like face and skin is because of the trading mechanic that was introduced. The idea was that you would trade a machoke for a graveller, then mid trade, they would exchange their own characteristics. While golem looks more humanoid for some reason now, it also lost 2 arms that graveller had in addition to its standard 2. And machamp oddly got gravellers 2 extra arms. It is weird and i admit the two final evolutions might make someone timid, they are genuinely cool to think about pokemon and their interactions with one another
Whoa I just noticed that 🤯
Wounder why it took them till gen 5 to redo this gimic.
I was actually so surprised by Delphox. The Fennekin line is actually my favorite starter line, and I love the witch aesthetic. I guess I’m in the minority on that.
I saw a point once that Delphox would be way better if it had a hat, and I tend to agree, that would totally sell it for me, instead of being fine
Me too
@@yannickgrignon2473 actually yeah you’re totally right, that would make it 5 times better
@@catgirlprincess5665 what's your pfp from?
It’s one of my favs too! Along with Sprigatitos
I didn't even think that Absol might be here. I love a lot of things around it. The Yin and Yang incorporation, its trying to warn of disasters while just getting blamed instead, its majestic and elegant design, perfect blend of a beautiful and powerful look. Such mysterisouly focused eyes. One of my favorite general designs are cats, foxes and dogs. Being Dark Type is always a plus for me, I'm naturally a night owl and I tend to find designs for shadowy/nocturnal animals much more interesting/cool. Absol is my all time favorite. ...And people are mad because it's "edgy"?
I actually used my masterball on it lol. I had spent a lot of time on route 120 and never encountered it so thought it was really rare. I still laugh about it.
What's funny about the "it edgy so it bad" take is that ... a big part of the reason why I immediately grabbed one for my original Sapphire team was because of the "edge". Being a lonely canine in which disaster follows is such a metal concept and my dumb little gothy heart was like "Yes! That's the one!" Eventually I appreciated Absol for other qualities, and it is still easily in my top 50 Pokemon.
I hate that people use "edgy" to mean bad when it's just a quality that can be done well or poorly. Some of my favorite childhood shows/games Ren and Stimpy, Mortal Kombat and Doom are peak edginess, but they are also some of the most iconic franchises of the 90's. The word also gets misused to mean anything that isn't cute or super happy all the time, so a lot of tragic or brooding characters get mislabeled as edgy for having the gall to show emotion once in a while.
Yeah. Absol was the one that made me turn the video off. I’ve never heard of anyone who dislikes Absol… (or Pineco, Machoke, etc for that matter) Maybe the creator had some process that wasn’t entirely clear to me when ranking these, but it didn’t seem very accurate.
With that logic you could say literally every dark type is edgy
I did expect Lopunny to pop up in the controversy. The idea for the design of the pokémon to be based of a Playboy Bunny is quite interesting since they are popular in Japan. I just like to think Lopunny takes its form from the very strong bonding the trainer works on effortlessly on obtaining. When the trainer finally gains Buneary's trust, that influence made it want and try to look more human-like, all because of a very strong physical/spiritual trust between the two of them.
I love Lopunny for this concept I like to think of, and because it gives of motherly vibes; the idea of caring and supporting others.
I am now obsessed with this take, as a fan of Lopunny.
I really like Lopunny too bc of its mega evolution. I always have a shiny Lopunny on my team unless its not in a game
Ah, if only that could be just that...
I never really cared about lopunny mostly because of it's terrible stats, but i thought its mega was really awesome until megas can't be used, it did change big time when i got a shiny Buneary in legends arceus on my playthrough and getting lopunny was awesome i loved its attitude and style with the animations and the backflip kicks it would do.
@@kalesmart1 yeah, they had gold with mega evolutions. That's crazy they are gone!
If you ask me, I think that Delphox would've been received much better by the fans if it wasn't leaked before the release of X and Y. Some of the 3D models on the 3DS didn't look the best scrunched up on a screen, and if we saw the art before the models, maybe people would feel at least a little bit better about Delphox. Honestly, Chesnaught and Greninja could apply here as well. Specifically Chesnaught because we all know how a majority of the fanbase feels about Greninja nowadays.
Honestly, I didn't have it spoiled and it still ended up being the first time I was actually kinda disappointed by my starter's final evolution. Contrary to what TG7 said though, I don't mind the femininity. My main gripe seems to be that it's just a hairier Braixen. It doesn't really add on much, especially to the branch wand gimmick. Fennekin eats twigs, Braixen uses a branch as a magic wand and stores it in its tail which makes it look like a witch's broom, and Delphox uses the same wand except it now hides it in its fur robe sleeves? Kind of anticlimactic. It should've become a either a witch's broom or a wizard staff if they wanted to build on the concept. Other than that, maybe they could've found a way to make its ears look like the typical witch/wizard hat. I wouldn't have had any issues if they went in a completely different direction and made it quadrupedal, but I can also see how that might be a bit too similar to Ninetales, so I get it.
Gen 6 Starters are all cool in my opinion.
The only starter I don't like is Rillaboom.
And I mostly Neutral on Primarina,
Meganium, Torterra, etc.
@@IgnitedQuils Are you talking about Inciniroar?
it would have received more love if furries didnt exist
it would have received more love if furries didnt exist
I love how it can be said that the feminine starters are disliked for being feminine but the same people likely ignore how masculine pretty much all the other starters are.
Boo
Hoo
It's called rillaboom supremacy (gigachad monkey)
I personally prefer less humanoid starters in general, feminine or masculine. I want monsters. I think humanoids are best reserved for legendary and pseudo legends
It's even worse, the complain is that they are "heavily gendered". As if male looking was genderless
I liked Delphox since it reminded me of a fire witch, it felt like a nice change from fire/fighting starters
Yeah fire/fighting is why I stopped going fire only starters. But Delphox having my favorite type psychic and was a witch I’m sold.
The introduction episode saved Muk for me, he's just so LARGE, it makes his design make sense to me. He's not just Grimer, he looks like the logical conclusion of getting stronger, older and bigger. He's too big to have the same cohesion of his prevolution, but he also doesn't seem like he cares. He's past that, and as a slime it doesn't detract from his power anyways.
I like Muk because it had high hp, attack, and Sp Def. So it is a tanky pokemon that can hit back. And poison is one of my favorite types. I think Alolan Muk is way cooler though.
Watching Muk constantly trying to hug Professor Oak and see Ash through the video calls made it really endearing for me. The anime was a major influence on a lot of my opinions. Fans that grew up with Ash's Muk probably feel differently than younger fans that weren't exposed to such goofy yet lovable depiction of it.
Muk is one of my favorites haha
As a kid I always thought grimer was "ew" and Muk was, "ARGH!"
Getting stronger older and bigger is called growing. NOT EVOLVING
I think my biggest problem with Volcanion is it’s lack of a “gimmick”. Diancie got a mega, Hoopa got its unbound form. Volcanion is the only one of the Gen 6 mythicals with nothing aside from a unique type combo. I know it’s not required but seeing as the other mythicals of this Gen did get one it was only natural to expect Volcanion to get one as well
Honestly I don’t really think so it’s more of us rarely even seeing it and literally anything in games and or media or movies about him put out I haven’t seen one in years and I only know some friends who have one in their PC box and Pokémon home and that’s it it doesn’t really have a story presents anywhere
I just think Volcanion's weird tube thing looks dumb. If it didn't have that I'd like it way more. I get the design, it just doesn't sit right with me.
@@nashineworks8318 Volcanion got the Zygarde treatment. It exists but that's almost all we know about it.
I love volcanion and diance. Diance for her mega form (mainly) and their shinies. I hate hoopa.
I literally keep forgetting Volcanion exists until it gets mentioned
While a lot of Gen 5 'mons are disliked, I like that they're all distinct and well-detailed, relative to Gen 1 counterparts.
Exactly!
Plus scolipede and bisharp are some of my favorites
Gen 5's problem I think is that it just had so many mons that of course some of them would end up being a bit weird. If they went for a lower dex count we could've had a stronger overall batch. Gen 5 has some of my all time favorites, like Chandlure, Zebstrika, Hydreigon, Sawsbuck, Scolipede, Bisharp, Maractus...
@@yawninglion1677 Since it seems Gen 5 was meant to be a soft/hard reimagining of Gen 1 trends, I get the higher dex count. Vanilite is still a better Ice-Type than Dewgong and the Garbodor line is far less redundant than the Muk line.
@@amesstarline5482 Oh, don't get me wrong, I love both Vanillite and Garbodor! I also do understand what they were going for. I just think that in general their need to make more mons meant they had to make some weaker mons in addition to some fantastic ones. Overall it's my favorite region though, so don't take it as me disliking Gen 5. Quite the opposite!
I love the Fennekin line so much, they've helped me with a lot in life weirdly
Lol what
Gen V's pokemon are so creative and beautiful and very much "pokemon-looking". I love how colorful all the pokemon are in gen 5 too.
People were expecting Coalossal to be a train monster, but it technically still is. The entire evolution line creates a train.
Rolycoly represents the wheels
Carkol represents the carts
Coalossal is the engine
That is actually pretty clever, well done
Never thought of it like that.
Coalossal also doesn't have wheels like the other two
I was expecting a "hotrod" motorcycle considering the fire type and a wheel
I dislike people hating on the coalossal line for "not being a train". It has some vague train designs but that's not the main concept at all.
It was never intended to be a train. Fans just got angry when their completely made up expectation didn't come true. The whole line is a reference to coal and coal related concepts getting progressively bigger:
Rolycoly is a literal piece of coal and a miner cap.
Carkol is a miner car. With even more coal.
Coalossal is a coal monster that carries coal in it's back like a miner.
And gmax coalossal is the entire coal mine and a giant furnace for the coal.
When I say Delphox is my favorite starter it often raises an eyebrow. I like wizards and witch designs, I love kitsune, and Delphox has a lot of versatility when it comes to tricky builds (like a magician!)
I like it because my partner in my first mystery dungeon game was Rift the Fenniken.
Delphox is my favorite gen 6 starter line.
You mean Furry Gardevoir
@@Rough_Estimates lol and after that every starter is basically furry bait, delphox was at least a good design, unlike Chesnaught or any of the gen 8 starters' final form
western people just find everything weird when they dont understand it, Pokemon is a Japanese game, and western players keep failing to understand where the inspirations came from
I kinda love those gear pokemon because it actually stayed the same sprite with each evolution, but with added parts, so it had a genuine upgrade feel to it compared to the usually "organic" evolutions pokemon have that change everything about them
Toxel is the cutest baby pokemon ever and I will never understand why it's not more popular. It's soooo adorable! With its little grumpy face, hanging tongue, and puffy cheeks! And the way it attacks! My heart melts! Toxel and Stufful are definitely two of my absolute favorite Pokemon! They're so cuuute! Whenever I see them, I act like a 10 Y/O seeing a kitten for the first time.
Yeah, and it evolves into the incredibly awesome Toxtricity, which is one of my favorite Pokémon of all time!
Edgy baby
I started out disliking the ultra beasts but now they're easily my favourite part of gen 7. The idea of creating pokemon for an entirely different universe with a different ecology and different evolutionary pressures on what becomes pokemon. How inhuman, bizarre, unsettling and weird they are is definitely a bonus now.
100%!
I like the ones that are REALLY out there, like Xurkitree, who has both a brilliant name and such an odd, out-of-this-world design
I'm insulted on behalf of all Delphox. I love this pokemon and the fact that it reminds me of magicians. Wizardmon and Dark magician are two of my fav magic users.
So what's your take on Meowscarada?
@@FerreTrip It is a cat, I love cats. it was my starter in Violet. My very first grass starter in a long time. Had it not been a cat I would've picked the fire starter.
@@FerreTripI also picked it just for the cat and ended up with the masquerade made me really happy. Reminded me of an old song welcome to the masquerade that is very fitting for Pokémon.
I think Delphox would be in the Top 50 most beloved if it had shorter ear hair
Honestly love Delphox and Primarina as is. Delphox especially I can't understand how people actively dislike its design. Both though do stand fourth and fifth of my favourite starters. Absol, who cares if it is possibly seen as edgy. It is a legitimately cool and interesting Pokémon that I love regardless.
That said, I understand why each Pokémon is here. As much as I may not like the fact for some, it is fairly reasonable for each.
I’ve only ever been mad about the fact that delphox A. Is always a boy because starters are usually boys🥲 and B. It’s not a psychic type?? I don’t understand. Absolute is okay, tbh I think it would be emo since everyone thinks it brings destruction and it’s just trying to help :’)
@@gskbdos7076 All Starters have that 7:1 male to female ratio, if that were to change, tou could expect an entire starter trio with unique ratios at first, not just one that barely looks feminine. And it is a psychic type. It is the second, and so far only other fire and psychic after Victini. Only Ninetales comes close being a pure fire famous for having psychic powers.
I don't hate Delphox, but it didn't really wow me when my Braixen evolved. It's not terribly designed or ugly by any means, but it was just so boringly similar, unlike the other Kalos starters who got pretty solid glow ups. I was just like "okay, it got hairier, anything else?" It was kind of a letdown. I was mainly hoping for something cool to happen with the branch, like turning it into a witch broom or a wizard staff, but that aspect went virtually unchanged. Other than that, I would've liked if they had managed to work in that iconic mage hat like they did the scarf for Greninja and I wish they'd kept yellow and white as the main colors because even now they help Fennekin and Braixen stand out better amongst the sea of red and orange Fire starters.
delphox is my favorite starter lol. i might be biased cause its psychic lol.
To me delphox doesn't look like an actual pokemon
Aromatisse is one of the most beautiful unique design ideas in Pokemon. It's one of my favorite pokemon ever.
The parfume old burlesque, Plaque Doctor cross over is so clever. And they made it gorgeous.
It’s the worst thing we ever could’ve gotten for a plague doctor
I was disappointed with aromatisse at first because I also wanted a plague doctor but then my sister started calling it the "showgirl birdie" and now I like it. It's camp. Same with Bruxish.
I like how it’s design and theming incorporates the historical purpose of plague doctor masks
I’m surprised the regis weren’t included in the gen 3 section, I thought they were somewhat divisive with how uncanny they looked and how unlike anything that came before they felt. Not to mention the whole creepy vibe of the lore and locations surrounding them and their presence.
Not to mention the sounds they make
I think they're cool
To be fair they are handmade pokemons made by basically the father of at least 4 regions, who also looks weird, but it's nothing like Golurk where he looks completely man made.
Greninja was my pick for gen6. But Delphox grew on me . It's one of my favorites now. I am happy they didn't make a quadrupled witch.
i mean if mimikyu can find rags and turn it into clothes, why cant other pokemon do the same thing? to me, the games were always to reflect what actually happens in the pokemon world as if we were actually living in it, so ceatures like machoke would find and make its clothes as a machop before it evolves. i dont think about pokemon that have accessories as them being born with it, or gaining it when they evolve. but rather them finding it or creating it themselves. theres plenty of iterations of pokemon losing/finding their accessories in the anime too
As a Castform enjoyer myself (bet you couldn't tell). I was surprised to see him as number 1 in Hoenn since I thought everyone was either neutral or laughed at this thing for unfortunately incorporating it being a water molecule in a.....let's just say unflattering light. Then I remembered how a certain someone making a certain phrase for a certain form of Castform probably brought an influx of fans.
I think it's the fact that people can only get it from the Weather Institute which is a major requirement, and that its gimmick is changing its typing and former signature move by the weather, but it's not very strong stat wise. So it's underwhelming.
Do you mean...
..."HAIL YEAH!"?
😂
@@lunawolf4073 No. Sun form. There's a hint.
Hail yeah!
@@ItsCandyindefinitely I SAID SUN FORM. NOT HAIL.
Surprised Incineroar wasn't included. I hear a lot of people questioning it's buff humanoid design and it's often used as a prime example for Pokemon designs that look too human.
Omg I never noticed Combusken’s “unfortunate shape.” Now it will never be unseen.
"Some think [sunflora] is one of the most laziest designs in the franchise."
Have these people *seen* electrode? The pokemon where all they did was take its previous form, turn it upside down and make it smile.
I can’t hate sunflora due to mystery dungeon
And just because it’s lazy doesn’t automatically mean it’s not good.
How dare you lol
@@whisperingwooper1763 x2
I will come to the Vanilluxe lines defense by saying this: a relatively unknown part of its design is that it purposely makes the snow on its top half because it would melt otherwise. Also, I just think their adorable.
A lot of people just think that their idea of what Pokemon should or shouldn't be is the right one, so anything that steps outside of their perceived expectation is automatically bad, weird, or controversial. Even if the design tropes have always been in the franchise, or are a part of Japanese culture/mythology, which has a lot of strange and wacky characters, which people denounce as nonsensical/bad.
I don't really understand most of the complaints people make when it comes to designs, saying it's too human, lazy, just an object, etc. There's supposed to be variety and there's nothing wrong with simplicity or complexity, IMO, but sometimes it's just a sense of "What are you even talking about?"
Everything you said is pure facts!
That's what I'm saying!
There was a slow but gradual change of design in Pokémon and now the whole concept of Pocket Monster is not a thing anymore
Some design were simply to succesful (blaziken and gradevoir) and led to always more imitations (like Lucario)
Now also Pokémon are more cartoony, with less ""realistic"" features, this help a lot with merchandising, which is the main source of money for this IP.
If you want a good explample of this just looks at the new evolutions, they are literally a dressed up versions of umbreon (which is the most popular evee)
@@stylesheetra9411 Heavy disagree. Yes, there is a change in design, sure. Sugimori stated that with Gen 3, he wanted to push the notion of what could or couldn't be a Pokemon, which lead to Blaziken. However, Blaziken wasn't meant to be a success. He said that Blaziken was meant to give a feeling of disappointment after Torchic grew up, similar to how painted chicks (what Torchic is based on), grew up and weren't cute anymore. So no, the change wasn't 'just for success'
The concept of Pocket Monster is still the same. Pokemon have always been cartoony. Just because certain older Pokemon's limbs have a few 'joint lines' and edges or their proportions are real doesn't negate that some of them resembled cartoon animals.
and not to be rude, but that Eeveelution point just feels like a clear example of what I said about 'What are you even talking about?' all of the Eeveelutions were "designed with the times", per the actual designer. are you saying that because they also don't have 'neck ruffs' that Leafeon, Glaceon, and Sylveon are Umbreon clones? If so, that's very dumb.
@@darkandwindie i have no problem with gen 3
It was a new idea and It was cool, The problem is that it was way to succesful
If for every swampert toy they sell 10 blaziken toys, there is no point to create Pokémon like swampert anymore
Pokémon company make is profit through merchandise not via videogames, so they followed this thread for the new Pokémon
For eveelotions I think absurd you dont even understand the problem, vaporeon was literally a fish, flareon and jolteon had "elemental motif" fur
Leafeon is different colored umbreon with 10 leaves on it, Imagine if flareon would be a umbreon with 2 flames ears, rapidash tail and other 7 flames randomly throw on its body like leafeon is
Glaceon have nothing related to ice on its fur but the fringe nor is body evolved to survive in cold temperature (like vaporeon)
Like I said, those are garbage design
In older gen they designed Pokémon that fit the world, the design Pokémon to sell more Toys, plushies etc
I just like Primarina's playful appeal, very elegant even if it's leaning towards feminine.
As a mexican , lotad lombre and ludicolo are absolutely one of my favorite pokemon in the game i will always go out to of my way to have one on my team if its available in a game, him and Hawlucha who is my number 1 favorite
fwiw Mexicans love their own stereotypes, anytime you see controversy because a Mexican-looking character is allegedly racist, you'll have an army of Mexicans ready to tell you to stop being offended on someone else's behalf, and that Sombrero Poncho Mario is awesome and so is Speedy Gonzales.
That said, there's no much Lombre discussion, it's mostly Ludicolo for being happy dancing pineapple mariachi Pokémon
Honestly everything is offensive to someone somewhere and trying to tip toe around every cultural offense is impossible. Especially how much opinions vary from person to person. The easiest example I can think of is eating food. In some cultures you have to eat all your food or it’s rude or you have to leave a small portion to show it the food was so good you couldn’t finish or it’s rude. So how do you do both? I think it’s good to be knowledgeable on other cultures and mindful but getting offended over silly things especially for other people is insane. People need to learn to be a bit more tolerant and not take everything so seriously.
And it's always busy body white people who are getting mad about it too.
Count me in on that army. Speedy is badass, Mario should be Mexican, and lombre is the shit
Genuinely surprised to not see Incineroar on the list I think I've seen more people dislike it than Primarina design wise
Yep it's garbage Tony the Tiger
And even more controversial nowadays due to VGC
Honestly as a girl who played pokemon from a young age- I loved Gardevoir, and she was always like my “ace” in so many games. So when I got older and realized what the internet had done to her it really disheartened me and still does. I try to avoid having a Gardevoir on my team sometimes and I wish I didn’t have to feel that way about her. I also can’t help but notice how many of the objectively feminine pokemon make this list
Why do you sometimes avoid having her on your team? I loved her since gen 3 cuz she was a kickass psychic powerhouse, and I still use her anytime I'm looking for a classic. Can't really understand how the Internet being the internet would make that change for me.
Not trying to sound rude, I just wanna understand what's different about your thought process from mine
Aw, that's so sad. Similarly, I grew up with Gen 4 and used to love Lucario but the internet ruined that Pokemon as well.
That's the internet for ya
I may sound rude but if I like a pokemon I don't give a fuck what the internet say about it, let someone you don't even know dictate your actions is stupid, thats why I keep using my favorite pokemons to this day and enjoying myself
Well Gardevoir can be male too
It has come to a point where seeing gardevoir makes my heart ache, because it was my and many other kids' favorite pokemon, but then the internet happened and now we can't google it without running into unholy territory.
#BanPorn
i have always absolutely LOVED delphox, it was my starter and i love the magician wand idea, so good
I like pretty much all of these, they're fun designs imo, some of them are an acquired taste for sure, like Magmortar. Also I love Delphox, and don't really consider it TOO feminine, it's a cool wizard, Gandalf comes to mind. Inteleon grew on me a CRAZY amount recently because of how cool the concept is, even if the execution is mid, the concept is so much cooler than the other Galar starters that I like it far more
Same the only mons I really don’t like are Greedent, Simisear, Ambipom and Darmanitan. Greedent looks like a stuffed animal that I was terrified of as a toddler and I find it uncomfortable to look at.
As far as gen 4 goes, I feel like a lot of the controversy around designs stems from evolving pokemon from previous gens. When we’ve already had years to fall in love with some pokemon, design et al, seeing them get evolutions mostly feels like a betrayal of what we had grown to love over many years. It’s a like music artists having demo-itis. Having listened to their own song so many times that they have internalised every sound in order, even minor changes naturally sound off because they deviate from the pattern that your brain recognises, not necessarily because they are worse.
No, mag mortar is just Ugly
Not really. I feel like a few gen 4 evolutions try to go overboard so they end up losing what made the pre evos likeable in the first place
It doesn't help that a lot of the gen 4 neo-evolutions just look bad from a design perspective.
Some are better in every way though, like Togekiss. Also, some looked like pre evolutions, like Yanma
@@hoseasylvester2596 I hated most of the designs initially, but having had 15 years to get used to them, I definitely appreciate them more now. Always hated Magmortar and Electivire in particular, until BDSP when I used a Magmortar for the first time ever, and i kinda like it now.
Only designs that straight up elevated the evolution line for me are Weavile, Honchkrow, and Mamoswine.
I personally love Heatmor’s design and while I’m not particularly fond of its main color palette, you gotta admit it has an amazing shiny ✨
Thank you I love my man Heatmor
I love Heatmor's design, the fire tongue, the body shape, the eyes, the color palette, it's very unique!!! ❤
It’s shiny is fantastic!
I like it too. Even it’s regular colours are fine by me.
Heatmor is super underrated.
i just wanted to point out that if you trade a graveler for a machoke, both will evolve, right? but did you notice that machamp takes on graveler's extra arms and golem's head is reminiscent of machoke's head?
i feel like these two mons were paired up in that way
similar to how the abra line are compared to the ghastly line, big spooky special attackers
How did Zacian not make it? “It’s a dog with a sword in its mouth” was one of the most ubiquitous complaints I heard in reviews of sword
I liked it better than a face shield again. Plus every dark souls 1 fan loves Zacian in ode to Sif.
People realized that it actually looked like a proper knight with its intrepid Sword, which is the same for Zamazenta.
2:06 I have a love/hate relationship with the golem evo-line lol
In PLA, I found like THREE shiny geodudes (one of them was an alpha).
At first I was annoyed with this evo-line because I wanted more variety in my shinies, and also because shiny geodude and graveller were a gross shade of yellow.
But then, I decided to evolve the alpha one into golem, and it was a BEAUTIFUL light yellow / cream colour. Because of that I started to really LOVE shiny golem.
Now I'd say that golem is one of all-time favourate pokémon, and one of my favourate shiny-mons
I keep on reading PLA as Platinum and not Pokemon: Legends Arceus
@@AetherSA lol I was a LITERAL FETUS when Platinum came out.
I think the interpretation of the color is a big part. I interpret shiny Geodude as gold, so I like the color. Sort of how I like some green Shinies in Pokémon Go that I hated in previous games due to the slight changes in color palette.
@@The_One_In_Black I guess the colours vary, but I've never liked shiny geodude or graveller in any game.
@@The_One_In_Black however nothing was able to save dragonite's disgusting shiny. I thought the saturation would help. Nope. Its still just as bad in the same but different ways.
*cries in Stunfisk*
Controversial opinion; Unown is a cool ass Pokémon.
1. Turning something as mundane as the literal alphabet into a lore centric and mystical mon is very impressive designwise
2. They’re some of, if not the most, mysterious Pokémon in existence and the areas you can find them always add memorable spice to the region they’re in
3. Collecting all 28 forms presents an interesting Dex Challenge and adds to game content when done well (a la legends arceus)
4. Their whole portrayal of being weak to the point of uselessness alone but when together becoming unstoppable benders of reality makes them feel like the building blocks of the Pokémon world
Yes! Thank you! I tried to collect a bunch of the Unown cards back when I was a kid! I'm happy to see other people like them too lol.
God bless you friend! ✝️ :)
@@Numba003 Thank you! :) You too
You have summed up various thoughts that I have had about Unown while playing through the Pokémon series, but all in one place and at one time. It’s honestly given me a newfound respect for unown, so thank you
I LOVE UNOWN!!!!
Collecting Unknown is probably one of the worst things ever in most pokemon games. It doesnt help that they are also just really bad
I have absolutely no idea why the vanillite line is so hated when it’s got more inspiration than probably 80% of gen 1 Pokémon. It’s not even a LITERAL ice cream. It’s a sad lil piece of ice that decorated itself with snow to look cuter
I have never once in the 20 years I have played pokemon looked at a Moltress and thought it looked like a rubber chicken on fire. Now, I can't unsee it. Thanks for that.
I really like the klinklang line, really the main thing going against them being the names with the fact that the final evo's name is literally the names of the first 2 stages combined does not help it at all with how much people tend to hate gen 5 pokemon designs.
It’s just a “gen 5 excuse” for people to jump on.
Their name is the only thing I like about them lol
@@El_Chucho_Bravo no, it's an excuse for the people who defend gen 5. Gen 5 is, on average, the worst gen, and this Pokemon is one that people who defend it as being an exception and not the rule. Just because it's one of the worst doesn't mean the rest of gen 5 is good.
Gardevoir has actually always been one of my favorite pokemon, but I'm always embarrassed to admit it because when people talk about it.. they always talk about how it's sexualized 💀
Yes that is a shame... such beautiful, graceful and elegant pokemon, with such great lore and so mistreated by perverted anti-fans...
(yes, she's one of my favorites too ;))
I like getting male gardevoirs and naming them X or Megaman because the “hair” always looks like the blue bomber’s helmet. I also give it varying type coverage to make it seem like he has the same multiple abilities acquired
@@Lyokoheros-KLPXTV Why would you call them anti-fans? If anything they seem like the opposite of that, they're overwhelming fans who want to expand on the ways they can enjoy Pokemon or Gardevoir in particular. I've always been a fan of Gardevoir as well, it's design is incredibly elegant and pretty. I don't mind saying it still is one of my favorites, and I don't mind that it's sexualized in fan art at all. There's nothing really wrong with that, people aren't hurting anyone by doing so and they can't help they are in love with a Pokemon or whatever causes them to do with with Gardevoir in particular so much.
@@Lyokoheros-KLPXTV yup because being attracted to a humanoid being that is well beyond the ability to give consent is so perverted. 😐
The so called fans are the ones who lewd it to oblivion.
It may be the bias from her being my first ever starter, but Delphox is my favorite Pokémon and always will be! My love for her is immense and undying.
Never played any pokemon game (except Pokemon Go, when my Delphox performs pretty well, not so rarely she can take all three enemies pokemon almost alone), and for a long time abondon pokemon not long after Johto journey started... and still I agree Delphox is the best fire starter and maybe best starter in general.
Delphox's popularity is definitely on the rise.
i picked fennekin in my x playthrough and liked the final evolution so i was surprised to see the hate.
I never heard about Moltres being the most overlooked Kanto legendary, let alone controversial. I personally love it, my favourite gen 1 legendary
It’s because its move set in Gen 1 was crippled by a programming error, causing it to learn Leer at level 51 rather than Fire Blast, and thus severely affecting its use when compared to the other two.
Flint: fire type elite four member. Infamously does not have fire types in Drifblim, a *hot* air balloon. Steelix, lives *in* magma, and lastly Lopunny, a *hot* bunny. I see you Flint, I see you.
Some thoughts:
Charizard: I definitely understand the resentment many people have, as Charizard seems to be Gamefreak's favorite, but you have to admit it's a great design. Its simplicity is a good thing imo, and it lends itself to versatile form changes. All its alternate forms look sick as hell, and it's because they're built on an already very solid design.
Combusken: It's a chicken that's molting. It's supposed to be a bit awkward. But I love it because it still very much looks like a fire-fighting chicken. I actually prefer it over Blaziken. Blaziken looks a bit too awkward for me. I think I would like it better if it kept its bird feet, and looked a bit more like a raptor and less like a human. I never really liked that Blaziken's feet are cylinders with claws coming out the bottom. I still have a soft spot for the entire line though, as Torchic was my first pokemon. I always make a competitive team based around Blaziken every gen.
Fire-fighting chicken? It's more like a molten rubber chicken
I love that Sunflora doesn't care how controversial it is, it's just always so happy with life.
"Everything will be okay."
I actually love Skuntank. It's a depiction of a skunk monster that plays off the fact that skunk spray is flammable by giving it moves like Flamethrower and Explosion.
It’s a pokemon that I immediately wanted when I saw the design. I think it’s just awesome.
When I first saw Aromatisse I was so happy with the evo, it make me think of a cute owlbear, cancan dancer. I'm always a little sad when people hate on it, but it just goes to show even when there's a pokemon design you don't like, someone out there loves it.
Yup people need to understand and respect that everyone has a different opinion.
@@cooltubes547 Agreed. Aromatisse is actively my least favorite pokemon and I can still see why people would like it.
I love Aromatisse~ At first I was a Little disappointed id didn't turn into the scary plague doctor I'd have loved for it to end up as. But as years went by, I really grew to like this fluffy friend :3
I think the only reason Aromatisse is ruined for me is how semi aggressive it’s cry is
I can see why people would like aromatisse, even with my distaste towards it, I can identify features that would make it enjoyable, it’s just that those same features unsettle me. Unlike diggersby, who’s traits should gross out and unsettle everyone, diggersby is just atrocious, and has no right to be that ugly.
"A mess of a family, with disgusting veins, distressing protrusions, clown noses, and confusing held items."
A great example of controversial design, as everything listed there is pretty much exactly what I like about their designs :)
I can’t believe there is hate toward Delphox. That is one of, if not my most, favorite starter lines. I love Delphox. It’s a flame witch and super cool! ❤
You mean super ugly/weird/wasted potential. After the blast that braixens design was we got the worst representation of a witch we could have got in pokemon.
@@marinagaleottiok
For people who keep saying that Inteleon is “too skinny” have you not seen a actual small lizard before? Lizards are skinny animals. Inteleon isn’t based on a bulky reptile like a Komodo Dragon, Crocodile, Monitor Lizard, or even a dragon. It’s based on a Jesus Lizard which is small agile lizard that can run on water. Plus it’s a sniper which means they rather fight at a distance rather then up close.
Yeah That's why I Didn't Mind that it was Skinny. It's a freaking Lizard
I don't know what people want, for it to have more humanoid proportions? I've also seen art of Inteleon as a quadruped, and It. Is. Cursed. It's the most popular Galar Pokemon in Japan, and well deserved imo.
@@Dougbro1 Basilisk lizards even run on water bipedal, so it makes complete sense! Inteleon has been my favorite galar Pokemon since it was leaked!
Him being so skinny is why he looks so bad to many people. Still looks bad to me regardless its just not very appealing
@@Jollofmuncher2000 it might look bad to some, but it's not a bad design. It's pretty accurate to the basilisk lizard. I love it personally and think the skinniness works
I knew Inteleon was going to be on the list for Galar, but I was also expecting Cinderace to be on here. I've seen both a lot of love and a lot of hate for it. I'm on the side of loving Cinderace myself. It manages to look both cool and cute to me, and I like it's energetic personality too. It quickly became my favorite Fire Starter. Also, regarding Primarina, I love it and it's my overall favorite Starter Pokémon. It's a beautiful and adorable Pokémon with really neat inspirations, and people hate it just because it's feminine.
I'm a big Inteleon fan myself, I love everything about that lizard
Honestly Detective Pikachu did a lot to win Mr Mime over for me. I'm glad you included him over say Jinyx because Mr Mime doesn't deserve as much hate as he gets.
The entire Sobble line are by far my favourite Pokémon in the series, I love all of their designs and how much personality they all have, that’s what all of the old starters and old Pokémon in general are missing imo, most of the are just cool for the sake of looking cool and cute for the sake of looking cute, but the Sobble line manages to be cute and cool while being more than just that, I think all of their designs are perfect and I wouldn’t change anything about them.
Youre spitting facts
Sobble evolving into Inteleon is a whole character arc, and I love it
about Golem. gen1 trade evolutions was supposed to "fuse" the pokemon, kinda like shelmet/karrablast (karrablast takes shelmet's shell). so, if you tade a Graveler with Machoke, you get Golem - which gets a reptilian head from machoke, and also a machamp- which gets 4 arms from graveler.
Woah, I used to watch your videos back in 2015, 2016 and was reminded of your content earlier today talking about fakemon. It blows my mind such a huge part of my young childhood still updates. Thank you
The joke delivery in this video was ON POINT man! So funny!
Yo PragMagik! Love Cornera!
Yeah. Also you should do a collab with treugreen7
Yeah can yall do a collab
Only if both of you want to but it would be really entertaining
Eventhough Incineroar is more popular nowadays (which I glad to see), I still think it's a bit controversial due to it being bipedal/humanoid and that it looks like a Fire/Fighting Starter (eventhough it's not) and I've seen a good number of people are *still* salty that it wasn't a quadruped tiger. Could Incineroar be quadruped? Sure. But I personally think for what they went with, it was very well executed. But that's just my personal opinion.
I don't mind it either. I personally like Incineroar and I would've liked a quadruped tiger but Incineroar looks cool to me, and it still resembles its previous forms. It does the heel concept well.
Incineroar is cool... Tho the "hate" I have for Incineroar is because it took the gen 7 Rep Spit for Smash.
Other than that It's a cool starter
And it's definitely strong.
Incin has been my favourite mon since I first saw it
@@dariogomezlopez3278 Same!
I don’t care whether something is bipedal. This opinion that bipedal automatically equals bad is so trash. I don’t really like the design of incineroar but it being on all fours isn’t going to fix anything.
Gen 3 is peak Pokemon design in my books. All Pokemons were actual mons, not random objects turned into living things, which is probably my biggest gripe with gen 5 onward. Imagine if in between things like lizards, bats, chickens and dogs you find gears, keychains, chandeliers or fricking ice cream cones. The only Pokemon line that comes to my mind that looks man made is the magnemite line, but even there its somewhat okay since its based on magnetic forces that exist naturally.
This is what we all think
9:40 I literally never noticed thatBastiodons face was a castle lol
I notice that videos like these apply best to the attitudes of fans in US, Canada, UK, etc. You'll find that in different countries like Japan, perspectives are very different. This is particularly evident when you compare the worldwide Pokemon of the Year poll of 2020 to the Japan-only 2021 one.
I can understand Intelleon being as divisive as it is. It's been 3 years and I don't even know how I feel about it. It's this mix of cool and weird that just leaves me confused.
Me too. I CANNOT decide if like it or no. It’s design doesn’t have a good enough personality to convince me either way.
I loved Sobble but was split on Inteleon. Currently I'm just feeling disappointed with it, because I think it's design could've been so much better. I don't really hate the design, I just don't like it because I love Sobble so much and it feels like missed potential.
Sure, maybe Intelleon could have been executed better, but I've never understood the hate. I don't love it, but just because something is perceived as "weird", that doesn't mean it's automatically bad. I think the theme of it's line is better than most.
as a delphox lover (and just the fennekin line being my fav starter line in general) the comment you made about it being the first explicitly feminine starter was something very interesting ive never thought of!
I thought Chikorira was the first feminine one, it is depicted as female in most media
Yet still 87.5% male
That’s exactly as it should be. I think it goes to show how poorly people judge and perceive things. If you think about life on earth there are plenty of things people would automatically associate with being feminine. Eg. butterflies and birds where the most elegant and colourful gender is actually the males. A especially great example is the peacock. Assuming gender based on appearance is an awful strategy yet it’s a go to for people on so many things. Always trying to assign non human things with human traits and attributes. There are even some species that are extremely hard to differentiate even if you are educated on them like the hyena.
@@DanielPereira-ey9nt not really explicit though. But fennekin line is pretty explicit about it since the second stage (thanks God without having sexualized design... though I bet some perverted anti-fans may make their own sexualized versions...)
So people are weird about feminine designs. Not even I’m a esh way they just think it’s dumb. Probably because it causes so cognitive dissonance when the mon is a boy. I don’t have this problem because my third ever mon was a male Gaurdivor and I got used to it pretty quick.
I've always liked Combusken the most out of the evolutions. For some reason it reminds me of Foghorn Leghorn.
However, I never noticed it's glorious shape until just now. It jumped up several pages in my book.
Golem makes senses he tumbles down moutnains polishing himself from a crunchy gravker to smooth rolling rock bomb 🎉
When you think about it Graveler has four arms and machoke has reptilian yet humanoid features and when traded graveler and machoke features swapped golem has a reptilian vibes and machamp has four arms
I have never thought about that and I’ve been playing these games for the last 17 years. Good eye
I can't unsee jt now
I personally adore Aromatisse. It's like a perfume bottle can-can dancer with a little bow on the back and a sassy crooked arm. Definitely fits the Fairy typing.
As someone who lives in the Sunflower State, I feel insulted regarding Sunflora.
Gardevoir is my favorite Gen 3 mon. I think the design is cool. Plus, I like Gallade as well.
I love the Swords of Justice, mostly because I've used them on playthrough teams.
Delphox is my favorite Gen 6 starter. Foxes are one of my favorite animals.
8:25 you’ve made mandjtv upset
Man, just found this in my recommendations and it's been forever since I've watched your videos. Thanks for the good content
Honerable mention for gen 2 would be baby-mons
I just had an idea, it’s probably not original, but a different idea for the gen 8 fossil mons is to have a 2nd fossil researcher where you can also get the “correct” forms. although maybe have to reduce the number of fossil types. maybe the zolt, draco, and vish parts stay but the arcto goes
Really did arcto dirty on that one
I will defend Inteleon 'till the day I die! It's so cool! What's not to love about a Secret Agent lizard that can snipe opponents with a literal water gun. I picked Sobble for how cute it is, was amused by Drizzile's 'emo' appearance, and absolutely adored my Secret Agent. Ray the Inteleon will always be one of my top Galar favorites.
Cinderace and Inteleon > Rillaboom
The anime definitely did Inteleon justice.
I definitely agree! I loved it since it was leaked, and thought it would be a popular Pokemon! But its reception didn't make me like it any less, it maybe boosted my love for it because I defend it pretty often
I think it's cool too, love the secret agent vibe. Is Ray a reference to The Secret Show?
@@abandonedventura465 Reference to My Chemical Romance lead guitarist Ray Toro. Because of the middle 'emo' stage evolution.
It's a darn shame about Delphox being here tho, many complained about the big fluff ears and i say " Well yeah..it Evolved"
Anyway seems the hate/Controversy for it calmed down as of late and it even got into Pokemon Unite~ ain't gonna forget about the 2020 Pokemon of the year poll either!
Primarina is the same way also!
Most of the hate is all the stupid people who think “I cAn’T lIkE tHiS oR tHeY’lL tHiNk I’m A fUrRy!”
Popplio got hate over its _nose_
It's a very boopable nose.
@@ShadowSkyX first ear floof (which many beloved animals have) and now noses, especially boopable noses?
Edit: Now it's the fact that sprigatito is a cat, i cant take this anymore
I never realized that Crabominable's fists made yeti footprints until this video.
I think Jynx shouldve been on the list, not simply dishonorable mention
It was literally modelled after human stereotype and had to get its skin changed from black to purple
"Some still come to it's defence, even though it doesn't really need it."
"It has a pretty high Defence stat."
Absolute Gold, *Heart* Gold.
Great video as usual TrueGreen! Keep up the great work.
Even though that there controversial I like the idea and the design of the ultra beasts since they're just essentially aliens and that's cool because we don't know what type of other animals live in space. Even though most people don't like them I hope the ultra beasts get more exposure maybe we can get some new ones
I actually am one of the people who don’t really mind the Trubbish line. I think Trubbish is kinda cute, and Garbodor is…just ok. I admit I hate it’s arms, I wish they were symmetrical. I despise asymmetrical Pokémon designs with the burning passion of a million universes. It physically hurts my brain to see asymmetry in Pokémon designs. But other the the arms, Garbodor’s not that bad.
It's a Pile of Garbage, plus not everything is symmetrical even in nature so
It reminds me of totoro
I feel like I’m the only person who loves this line and I honestly want to use Garbodor. I just like it’s face and concept and Trubbish is cute too.
Not liking asymmetry means not liking Clawitzer. And that's a yikes from me dude
3:08 I won’t tell my Alolan Muk, that I used all game, that you said that
3:08 Muk is my second favourite Pokemon. Well, I generally give Pokemon from the same line the same spot, unless I feel drastically differently about them. So Gulpin and Swalot are my favourite, and Grimer and Muk are my second favourite. I actually find them lovable and adorable, and I love the interesting texture of petting them in Pokemon Amie. It's a bit tricky not to hurt them, but I know how to pet them just like they like it. I guess that shows how much I've done it.
Oh, and on my first Pokemon journey I had a Muk right by my side, as my main Pokemon for a while, and then only second to my Swalot. Can you tell what my favourite type is?
Poison?
I really like Muk, especially the Alolan form. Crazy how it only has 1 weakness.
@@Regeor Poison.
I chose sobble as my first gen 8 starter and I absolutely adored seeing my tiny lil sad boi turn into an edgy tween and then a cool agent, I think its the most emotional change that any starter goes through.
When Rolycoly was first revealed, was I super excited at the thought of it becoming a locomotive monster because Thomas the Tank Engine was one of my main childhood obsessions (along side Pokemon), and the idea of having a full-on locomotive Pokemon had me excited. But instead they went with a generic rock monster design. As if we didn't already had enough of those. The disappointment I had that day when I first saw Coalossal was immeasurable. Coalossal has grown on me since then, I still can't help but feel that it was a pretty big missed opportunity.
It was never intended to be a train. Like, at all. The whole line actual concept is things related to coal.
That's why it starts as a piece of coal/miner cap, the to a miner car full of coal, then to a miner monster that carries coal and then to a entire coal mine with a giant furnace in its gmax form.
A train pokemon would have been just as stupid as the ice cream cone, the keychain, the apple pie, etc. etc. etc. Gen 1 and 2 will always be superior because their designs weren't so corny.
@@marcusweathers3070 ahem. A magnet, another magnet, a neat dig Pokémon, three dig Pokémon, jinx, in general, do I need to keep going?
@@marcusweathers3070 also boomer lmao
@@totallynotaferret Sure, every gen had its bad apples, but first and second gen are objectively better designed overall.
Ultra Beast Enjoyer here!
I freaking love the designs of the UBs and how we get canonical info that there are other dimensions with never before seen Pokémon, which look totally different from anything we've seen before! People need to look at Ultra Beasts like they're looking at an undiscovered species from space, because, well, that's what they are!
Much Love to the Ultra Beasts! I can kind of understand Lusamine's madness, heheh...
10:03 my theory is that all the hate for ambipom is the real reason they took it out of Dawn’s party in DP.
Jinx is literally the definition of controversial, they changed its actual design because it was so controversial
I was waiting for it to be number 1 for gen 1
Its controversial outside the Pokemon community, its too unpopular within it to be considered a controversial choice
@@GoInGcRzokay, Jynx is LITERALLY a controversial Pokemon but gets a dishonorable mention that neglects any actual mention race/stereotyping issue yet Lombre is just on the list AND gets the full on explanation: "Mexican stereotypes made people uncomfortable." I DOUBT anyone would consider Lombre "popular." The logic isn't tracking.
@@TrojanalohaPretty sure I have seen much more positivity towards the Lombre Line than Jynx. It's not the most popular Pokemon ever but it isn't super hated either
Bro yes thank you, Rhyperior is one of if not my favorite Gen 4 mon. Aside from being the ace of Palmer, it’s the first rock monster we had that actually donned real armor(I don’t count Bastiodon). Being able to fire actual Pokémon from its cannon arms, and the gruff voice they gave it in the anime cemented my appreciation.
I really liked a lot of the Gen 4 added Evos when they came out. "More evolutions? Cool!"
But now I can see how weird some of these are. Especially Rhyperiors colour and to much added bulk compared to their pre evo.
i was shocked the first time i heard the elemental monkeys were hated, and even more so when i learned that simisear was the least popular of them! i dont know why, but ive always thought simisear looked really neat and way prefer it over the simipour and simisage. probably one of my top pokemon
It'd funny you did machoke right after golem. There's a theory about those two for why they look how they do
Bastiodon is one of my favorite pokemon & my favorite of all the fossils. i think if it got better stall moves like access to recovery & higher HP, it would be an excellent utility pokemon in competitive.
i really think there should be an item that raises max HP, since it’s the only stat you can’t raise in battle