On INFP Careers... are you aware of this talent?
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- Опубліковано 24 гру 2024
- INFPs are the lowest-paid of all the types, right? Writers, teachers, therapists, designers, social workers...
Well, look again: INFPs, like INTPs, have the potential to model complex systems deeply. INTPs best model logic systems, INFPs best model human systems: intents and motivations; what is important and what is not. In this video, I talk through a demonstration.
The tricky bit is that to go on this particular career journey, you have to care about your topic of choice, and you have find or forge a path. That part is difficult.
We are excellent in connecting the dots even they seem irrelevant. Thanks for the idea✨👍🏻
hey i'm an infp medical doctor and this is maybe not at all related but, i find that the worlds and models you're describing sounds like what happens in my brain when coming to a patient's diagnoses. i can look at all the pieces of information i get and come up with lots of factors affecting the person and what they could mean.
Hi Radishraven! I have been enjoying the heck out of your content... and pointed someone the other day toward one of your recent videos where you describe Ne, because the way you express yourself is pitch perfect. I would love to ask you all about your experience and impressions about being a doctor as an INFP. But it is more important to respect privacy.
Anyway, I am a fan and it is great to hear from you.
@@dulles1969 i don't know what to say im very flattered that anyone is watching and liking my videos, much less one of my favorite channels 😮 you describe infp stuff in a way i haven't encountered before on youtube, it feels like you're reading my brain at times! if you have any questions, just send a comment on any video :)
This is one of the best pieces of career advice I have seen for INFPs. Thank you. I myself am a blend INFP and INTP. They might seem like quite different types but I resonate with both and always get one or the other on personality tests.
Something I have found with career advice for these types, particularly for INFP, is to stick to more human centered fields - counselling, writing, teaching, etc. And this is fine.
However something that is often missed (and it's something you capture in this video) is that INFPs are excellent analysts. INFPs are able to tell the human story found in the cold hard data. This is an invaluable skill and in high demand across multiple fields.
INFPs are also excellent negotiators. They can negotiate good rates while maintaining positive relationships with stakeholders (given how naturally approachable they are, INFPs are excellent are building authentic relationships).
So, fellow INFPs of the world - never feel discouraged or that there is no place for you in the labour market. We're a unique personality and our skills are needed in a whole host of different jobs.
Thank you ever so much for this kind comment... I actually needed this reassurance just now. I've had a rough week at work (but a good one, week 3 of treading a narrow path between competing interests). It now looks like a win/sorta win situation, so fingers crossed. 😋
Yesssss INFPs are terrific consultants. Your description of the kind of consulting INFPs provide is very accurate, I think. The whole letting everyone know their skin in the game part is definitely what makes the clients and teams super engaged; and being able to bring together disparate sources of information to form an engaging and coherent story is really an enormous value-add, especially in environments where there’s lots of ambiguity, not enough proper data collection and/or when you don’t have good access to all the data/people in charge.
I think INFPs are also really resourceful in the sense that they extract a whole ton of information about the status of how the project is, what the person needs, what the person’s priorities are and what kinds of people they are dealing with just from their interactions of others - and I think that’s super important in managing the client and the project and subliminally accessing where the direction of things are heading. Also people tend to open up to INFPs and INFPs typically are very helpful and kind. That’s why I told my management consultant INFP friend that he’s more of a management counsellor instead 😂 that’s why all of these big shot c-suites flock to him, cos they know a trusted advisor when they see one I guess?
Finally INFPs are excellent at keeping a cool head at all times. That comforts others and also lends lots of credibility. Wheeeeee, and that’s why management consulting ain’t for meee~~~
It's really something to watch how different personality types approach these sorts of challenges... Speaking of trusted advisor, there's a colleague (I believe he is an INFP, he is certainly a gentle soul) who gets companies to send him copies of their biggest contracts, which he collates and analyzes.
Hundreds of millions of dollars/Euros/pounds/yen of ridiculously proprietary information! But he's been in the business for a long time and the companies he works with trust him implicitly. In return they get valuable bench-marking advice that doesn't break any confidentiality.
The part that I don't know, is how to break into this type of business. It's like... find something to look at, and then find a way to keep looking at it for, oh, five, 10, or more years...
Oddly you're right, I don't think there are any obvious ENTPs in this business. You all are probably off somewhere, creating the map as meta-analysts. 😊 Wait I do think I know someone I suspect is an ENTP. He was spiraling as a punk who loved drugs, and then found his calling as a lawyer specializing in free speech cases. And like ENTPs tend to be, he made an impact, controversial and remarkable.
@@dulles1969 Yeah, I think the general idea of "trusted advisorship" in the consulting industry works in favour of INFPs' skillset. In my view, this "trusted advisorship" generally requires: (a) long-term maintenance of positive feelings (which aren't overboard or overly effusive) and positive relations; (b) constant re-assessing of the political, social and emotional climate within organisations to incrementally re-direct or update strategy within (a), (c) ability to amicably treat everyone in the way each reasonable person would agree is at least borderline respectful, and (d) ability to maintain a certain level of professionalism and credibility for the entire time the INFP is in front of someone.
I will add what I think are two upsides and one downside about INFPs in consulting:
1) INFPs are very unlikely to display aggression or competitiveness - this contrasts them nicely with the rest of the Se/Te-front stack consultants, making them feel like an oasis or a comforting listening ear in an industry which can be very political and full of cannibals. I think this is an upside because the partner or director can deploy the right personality type that will suit clients who aren't responsive to types who are more direct and less sensitive… plus you're going to be a big hit with certain types in your team.
2) In consulting there is a decent chance of being alone for long periods of time which I think will suit an INFP very well. For example, there might be a need to travel frequently, or these days with the rising use of telecommunications, there's plenty of lone time behind the screen when you're not interacting with others.
3) The downside of consulting for the INFP, in my view, is that there's a whole bunch of Fe required within certain organisations. The job, in my experience, does require maintaining certain optics and visibility, and that involves ensuring that your partner or the man who holds the mantle knows how great you are, and that means tooting your own horn from time to time. As I say this, I know INFPs will toot their own horn in their own way... a way which they think is "dignified" or something like that, but that doesn't always cut it unfortunately (ie more peacocking needed)).
In short, I am a big believer that INFPs make good consultants because I've witnessed them in action for years, and they fit that industry pretty well and they can definitely rise to senior positions. This just means that they can be successful in this career and success is always a good reward and a good feeling. INTPs would do well too, as per the Dulles' description. I don't wanna talk too much about ENTPs as this is a video for INFPs, but all I would say is that ENTPs also believe in the idea of trusted advisorship and would work their asses off for it, but the idea of "trusted advisorship" as per ENTP's viewpoint doesn't mesh well or isn't well understood in the consulting world, at least from my experience in it for 7 years.
@@jakegeneforest You've hit on some serious insights here on all your points. I'd comment about how eerily accurate your observations are to my experiences.... but for fear of piercing the thin corporate veil.
So instead I'll share in a past job, I had an INTP co-worker, she(!) was adorable in that serious but innocent way that INTPs can be.
We'd be on a road tour and she would have 10 slides to walk through. Start and take 20 minutes to talk through three bullet points on the first slide. Read the statement, make an explanation, the additional clarification, the conditionals, then exceptions to the statement, the clarifications for the exceptions, the exceptions to the exceptions...
The INFP will wander but get back to: "ok, this is what's important for you to know". The INTP focused on: "this is what is correct." Time was not relevant.
When the INTP did a presentation, there'd usually be one rapturous technical person in the room -- everyone else was lost or half asleep. Thank you Jake, that was a lovely memory to recall...
@@dulles1969 what you wanna do is make sure there’s loads of doughnuts and coffee and tea when the INTP is presenting. Then again, we all need a siesta sometimes. Also, “piercing the corporate veil” is a legal term where the court reaches into the shareholders’ or directors’ pockets to pay off a company’s liability, so it’s nothing you can accidentally or intentionally do by making comments as you’d need a court order for that. I think you probably meant that you don’t wanna risk divulging company secrets?? Or accidentally reveal where you work or who you work for?? BTW I had a dream about Eric telling me off!!
@@jakegeneforest LoL, I was playing with words. In a twist of the legal meaning, I meant piercing through the veil of MBTI content to synch identities back with the corporate. Better the two are separate.
HostEric yelling at someone is a matter of time. He was mad once and took something I said wrong. It's pretty harmless.
As an INFP economist. This is very encouraging. Thank you!
I needed this! I have always been a storyteller subconsciously and this just narrowed down my career change options. Thank you so much!
As an infp I have to be honest, I tuned out during the wheat example.
We're all tuned differently. 😊
Great video! The more INFP videos the better :]
I was literally listening to the LotR soundtrack before I jumped on UA-cam and watched your video as it was the first one to come up on my feed. Synchronicity! Thanks for the advice.
Thank you! Just trying to provide something of substance in the question of possible INFP careers.
INTPs create amazing insights when something catches their interest. I've seen INFPs assemble organic relationship models in their heads and how things fit together ... and these will be the same people who'd say: "I have no useful skills. I can't actually do anything that anybody wants."
I feel like you described the work of a social/cultural anthropologist in your example; understanding different perspectives on one social context with qualitative data and then looking at the bigger picture again is quite anthropological work:D I did anthropology in my undergraduate and mostly really enjoyed it, I guess exactly because of this holistic approach and the focus on different people and their life-stories as such:)
Not a commercial video made for selling, just genuine facts
This sounds like an awesome role for an INTJ too! That 'big picture' of what is going on, the systemising of things, the advising... all very relevant. It's one of the reasons I love military strategy and military strategy games so much. There is a human and very psychological element to warfare that is really difficult to quantify and It's very interesting to me. The idea of taking into account what merits your own force has against an enemies one, that psychological and morale element, the geographical, logistical and topographical elements and more, it's a bit of juggling that can be quite fun and engaging in that intuitive thinking type way. It is something I can get behind in a really Fi way too, it must be done correctly, there are costs and the idea of an ultimate morale crushing victory is very satisfying from a saving pixel lives on both sides perspective. I love changing it up in different eras too. Pike and shot tactics are interesting, ancient tactics, Roman and iron age, Musket era, they all change the rules and give you different systems to learn and play with. I just wish AI was difficult to play against lol. -Chris
Indeed, I think I know a couple people I strongly suspect are INTJs in the knowledge work business I'm in. One of the telltale signs ... they tend to end up hopping into adjacent fields where they are directly in the business and can make a lot more money.
And as a kid, we played some Avalon Hill games ;) and we have a group from way back when that still meets once in a while to play modern board games. I didn't get deep into wargaming because people get upset (sometimes I get upset). So, stick to lighter things -- Ticket to Ride or Robo Rally, or abstract wargaming like Axis & Allies or Diplomacy (a great game to wreck friendships).
I really liked the video ~ however I'm failing to come up with actual jobs that involve modeling human systems? Could you give like some specific job titles? Cheers!
Understanding & improving customer experiences... finding ways to improve internal company operations not through systems efficiency, but through figuring out how people work together. Almost anything in consulting that involves understanding how people think. So it's not marketing, more the underlying research support that marketing needs to succeed.
Almost anything in consulting. INFPs can be very strong in project-based work, for example: "we need to figure out how to understand and get creative ways to solve this business problem."
A big one: Managing other smart motivated people, by working together with them, and by making sure their contributions are acknowledged, and they feel valued and appreciated.
Also, education in certain fields because that stack with child Si is pretty darn good at absorbing information, understanding the concepts behind them, and explaining things.
I know none of these are easy to solve careers that one jumps into on Day 1. But it's endpoints for INFPs, working somewhere at an intersection of people, business, and technology.
@@dulles1969 Yeah that's what I figured that it would mostly be classified under consulting. It kinda sucks because I feel like to market yourself as a consultant you have to have professional experience (like at a notable company or something) to validate your expertise/abilities, it doesn't seem like something you can just pursue as a starting point, or am I wrong about that?
@@reedjones7300 I wish I had a simple answer, I took a path that doesn't exist anymore. Started as a journalist and editor in a very specific technology area, and then freelanced for a while, and then ended up in consulting over time. At some point people just assumed I knew enough stuff to be worth throwing money at, to do stuff for them. The common thread is stuff that's project work, so there's always something new and different to do. So there's probably an aspect of paying dues -- learning whatever the job is -- before moving on. Sorry, I wish there were obvious or easier answers... :(
Amazing insight and profoundly applicable to a niche for INFPs in the developing AI world. There is one thing AI cannot do and is thought to never be able to substitute for human skill set, and that is the ability to analyse, synthesize and project human behavior. This soft intuitive skill is beyond AI capability. It seems to be fired up and enabled by caring, AI cannot care and therefore lacks the the most basic element of the INFP model. Bravo!! Eureka! You’ve diagnosed and solved a major dilemma facing the 21st century. That is the issue of ongoing employment for vast swarths of people. I hope you are writing and publishing these insights. Maybe I should, now that you’ve opened my eyes.
I have a question. Can you differentiate between INFP caring and INFJ caring. Is it a heightened intuition? As an INFP I seem to be able to defuse complex political/economic positions that an INFJ counterpart cannot. INTJs completely misread people’s motives.
Hi!! 👋 The difference between INFP caring and INFJ caring... interesting question, I will have to keep thinking about this... I only know one INFJ IRL and I'm afraid I'm going to parrot an old stereotype. The INFJ assesses and gives wise counsel. The INFP listens and gives space. There are situations when people need wise counsel, and there are situations when people just need to feel heard.
It goes back to a trope that resonates (for me), that the INFJ cognitive stack is geared to be a philosopher and the INFP cognitive stack is more geared to be like a monk. Each can help foster understanding, but their approaches are very different.
But that's more existential caring. If you're talking about physical caring, better to find an ISFJ or ISTJ... in my experience intuitive types as a whole tend to be not so good at making sure people are well taken care of.
Hello Dulles,
I just stumbled on this video as I'm wandering on UA-cam to seek some answers for some questions...
I wonder if it's possible to be an INFP but being in the field hard sciences ( maths, physics, chemistry...) ? ( I'm student a physics student)
Usually on the internet INFPs are portrayed as natural storyteller as you said or social workers but I guess the processes you talked about can be implemented in science as the Ne is crucial to take into account how a natural phenomenon is affected by different variables also Si helps whenever needing to dig deep into past knowledge that have been crystalized then reshape it again to explain the observations also I guess counterintuitively Fi can bring to science a grounding ethics so make sure this new discovery is meant for the good purposes and not to be used to harm people as for Te it gets challenging when working in a group as there's a strong sense of individuality and dealing with ' the system ' ...
Sorry for this long rambling I don't if it was relevant but I just wanted to share my thoughts.
Huh! Physics was dear to me way back when. I left the engineering program (long story) but kept a hand in physics classes and wrote code as a hobby.
If I had to guess, I'd think you'll do just fine in any technology field. But I suspect you'll have a tough time being stuck in a cubicle farm doing the same thing for years. At which point you'll naturally find opportunities elsewhere. You may end up going from, say, a design job to operations, or product management. The trick is to flow with the changes and opportunities, and that just sorta comes naturally with listening, thinking, and having a curious mind. If you can get motivated by deadlines, you will do (and probably are already doing) great!!
Thanks for your reply.
Oh interesting! Thanks for sharing. Honestly I don't enjoy coding.
Well my situation is peculiar and complicated as I'm a foreign student and my opportunities are tightly traced by the laws... I have much less freedom than a regular student.
I don't know but I guess I have some rigidity concerning going with the flow and this circles back to the individuality thing... Also my life has been a tough one since childhood so I carry many wounds that prevent me to take risk... So for now I'm just seeking stability and I guess I will see later if I shift to something else...
About deadlines I don't know, I used to not have problems but for the last few years it has become more difficult to keep up with everything...
Anyways thanks again for taking the time to respond.
Really inspiring💙
So building a story, gathering peaces together.. sounds like data analysis, am I right?
Yes -- it starts with solving a business problem. To get there takes pleading, cajoling, sometimes threats against a mob of unruly datasets to give guidance for answers.
Interesting video! I'm an INFP and I've somehow made it to my third year in law school, probably going to be working in litigation upon graduating *gasp!*. I feel like my strengths in law, and in general, though, have been more in the research/fact-synthesis line of things, as opposed to being "the bulldog". I love consulting with other lawyers and clients about strategies and solutions, but I just don't have the force that some of my extrovert pals have to be super-effective in a courtroom. Am I completely hopeless in this career path, or should I give it an earnest go?
If I could have done it all over again, I would have definitely considered being an economist or a business analyst. At this time in my life, I'm definitely worried that I'm not as assertive as I'd like to be for this profession :(
Law school!! 😬 that's immensely scary. But I'd think there are lots of places to land with a law degree, that's not in a courtroom and not in backroom research. Maybe you could be super-effective in cases that involve more diplomatic roles, for example helping to negotiate settlements?
@@dulles1969 Thanks for reaching out! Yes- that's what I was thinking. Some firms have attorneys who focus on negotiating settlements and liens, and that might be more my alley. Similarly, with some experience and case management skills, I could try to shoot to be a "Judge" (I want to practice in an area of administrative law so the barrier is lower). Things should play out okay for me in the end, but it might take some tough experiences to get there!
"once upon a time, there lives a hobbit..."
In a hole, don't forget it's in a hole
That's such a great piece of advice Dulles. Thank you ❤️🙏🏾
Dulles1969,. Are you related to 19-69 bottling counterculture? I found them when I noticed the river smelling like bandaids
Well I am an airport, so I require anyone passing security to discard liquid in bottles and cans. Guess that makes me more of a bottling nemesis than a culture counter... 😃
@@dulles1969 lol, join the club, the culture club. My olfactory senses are sensitive as a TSA dog.
Hi @Dulles
Do you know that Tolkien was TeSi? :D
Hi @I am FiNe , it's good to hear from you! I hadn't considered Tolkien's MBTI. The standard fairy tale "once upon a time" was incomplete; The Hobbit introduction suited the narrative.
I'm leery of assigning MBTI posthumously. It's a guess based off that person's body of accomplishments, and maybe some media footage. Different factions in the community already actively disagree on cognitive types of living people who get formally assessed, in some cases multiple times...
@@dulles1969 I meant his vultology indicates TeSi. But yes, situation in typology realm is as you described.
Kurtis gave us splendid show of type flipping. :D Now I am convised that he actually considered my arguments.
BTW I do philosophical inquiry about animism and pragmatism and this gave me a lot of insights of how to think about Fi. It's much more interesting than I thought. I think that journey can lead me beyond typology as I found something I can personally subscribe to.
@@PeterIntrovert Kurtis continues to cycle through ideas, so we will see if he is now settled on type! 😉 And yes, very much agree typology is one aspect of self-development. So many ideas in the world, so little time...
@@dulles1969 nah it's undeniable Kurtis is SeFi he was simply trolling. :)
He wanted to test does people will recognize him as INFP even if he is not that type.
I laughed hard when confused people wrote "I don't buy it" They want to see him as INFP as they are themselfs identified with stereotypical traits he listed in video but this showed that they are unable to tell someones type.
So... basically you are saying I should become a performance consultant instead of an analyst. Lol
😉Well technically I'm an analyst, too, so we're in the same boat. It gets creative when a project comes along that needs, e.g., detailed market projections for a dozen European countries -- and nothing like that exists today. Where to begin?More important than the numbers is building a story that explains why things will play out a certain way.
I randomly checked, and it appears you have 666 subs
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😳Scary because I never expected to have 66 subs... I am on road trips week after week so have not had the downtime for new content...
777 now lol
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