"After 2 games full of Snow`s positivity, seeing him turn into a Kingdom Hearts Villain fills me with so much schadenfreude that it can only be expressed in German." Made-my-day!
You know he secretly loves them because a) he has actually played them all and b) internalized more of the plot than I can ever possibly hope to remember.
There is literally nothing good about this game, ESPECIALLY the combat. If I had to choose between eating shit and playing this game I'd ask if the shit had corn in it.
Lets also ignore the fact that in every game the characters find a new excuse for why they have magical powers. First it’s because they’re all L’Cie. In the second one Sarah and Noel get there powers from the chaos that leaked from Valhalla. In the 3rd one Vanille is given the power to speak to chaos by Bhunivelzah, Snow becomes a L’Cie for the 3rd time in the series,Dajh somehow can control and split his soul into fragments,Hope is turned into a puppet by bhunivelzah, Fangs magical was probably given to her by bhunivelzah so that she could protect Vanille. Sazh somehow still has his powers for some unexplained reason. Even the eidolons are still alive. Odin got reincarnated as a fucking Chocobo.Hell the only one besides Lightning that even remotely changes there look throughout the series is Snow in the first game he had a white trench coat a bandanna and boots. In the second he ditched the bandanna and switched to a black trench coat. In the 3rd he has on an all black outfit and long hair.
Dartigan, I want to thank you. your final fantasy thirteen saga has been like therapy for a junior in high school going through finals. I am very glad you have finished it. I thank you again.
@Spiderbread EXP Well not true....versus 13 was only inspired by the 13 mythos but they weren't in the same universe. They were supposed to be Alternate Final Fanrasy XiII takes. But this was so confusing and h Difficult to grasp that they gave up on the concept. This is why fabula nova crystallizes FF13 was renamed FNC: FF.
I still had some fun with the ffxiii trilogy despite its many flaws, the story is stupid and filled with plotholes, and the characters leave much to be desired, but the graphics are really good, the music is awesome, and I personally liked the battle system
"Just 5 short centuries to reach the end of the world" No ding on that one? 500 years is a long time, there's nothing short about it. Immortal or not you are not going to say, "Oh 500 years, eh that's no time at all."
@NECRO 69 ??? Ok, if you feel you gotta put down others just to feel good your projecting your insecurities. You just came outta now where with unfounded saltyness and right now your attitude is as bad as a wet blanket. You are a troll.
To quote Yahtzee, "To my mind, a JRPG just isn’t a JRPG unless it ends with teenagers using the power of friendship to kill God. It’s like how if you don’t have the stallion scene, you can’t really call yourself barnyard porn." Also, I am vastly surprised that this video was shorter than expected. Sure, a lot of the fetch quests arguably had to be cut, but I still think that there were a LOT of notable problems, I mean the restaurant mission alone was PALACE GUARDS ARE CONDUCTING A SEARCH FOR THE THE INTRUDER CALLING HERSELF "THE SAVIOR." SHE HAS ROSE-COLORED HAIR AND IS CARRYING AN ENORMOUS WEAPON. CITIZENS ARE ASKED TO REPORT PERSONS MATCHING THIS DESCRIPTION TO THE NEAREST SECURITY OFFICER. and the hats were also silly. Anyhow, terrific video nonetheless as usual! This vote is a tough one...nanomachines or boulder punching? Oh, let's go boulder punching & vote for Resident Evil 5.
SlyDante that's a good ZP quote and it perfectly summarizes this game, hell it summarizes the entire FF13 series. And for those who are wondering, it's from Yahtzee's earthbound review
I’m surprised he didn’t go over any fetch quests, considering that the sin counter would be, if not the, biggest in his videos. But I digress, it would take too long for anyone to make a video stating every issue in a game’s content.
Incitos 98 Well to paraphrase Yahtzee in his Earthbound ZP video, "A JRPG just isn't a JRPG if it doesn't end with teenagers using the power of friendship to kill God", so LRFFXIII is definitely a JRPG.
Persona 5 did it with style. You can be utterly ridiculous, but charisma will always disguise silliness. Every jrpg have that, but Persona just do it right. Also, it's hilarious to me how the japanese writers follows the sentai cliche even to this day (red sentai is the main guy, but he need other colored sentais to help and blablabla)... but, the japanese society is very repressed, almost not social at all. How can you write about friendship if your people doesn't know how to make friends?
imskiller99 I'm sure the All-father disapprove of his namesake being used like that lol n shouldn't there be nine realms? Lol I'm seeing a theme n it's giving me a massive headache...I'd played ff13-2 n it was cool until Sarah was imitating Yuna from ff10 useless.
I mean, KH is confusing, but it's more a case of Nomura being Nomura, and adding more characters and expanding the universe while forgetting about his previous stuff. The stories contained within themselves are still good, and they're all pretty consistent in themes within the KH series. With the XIII series, it's a pretty clear case of executive meddling and not editing out too many ideas. Like Dartigan said, each of the games could've been their own standalone plot with nothing tying them together but the characters. Each of the XIII games seems like a mix of wasted potential and "wtf", whereas the KH games are just "wtf".
And so Lighting became a Louis Vuitton Model in the new world, which explains why we saw all those ads of her modeling clothes, IT ALL CAME FULL CIRCLE FOR ADVERTISING!!
I remember when one of the Gamestop guys hung out with me on his break. He was telling me about his obsession with collecting games and had an entire shelf dedicated to the bad ones he calls the Dog-shit Collection. XIII,XIII-2 and LR XIII were all nicely displayed on top lol.
For sin 118... not all the kids kept acting like kids. Remember the acter who shed tears for money? and there are plenty of (NPC) kids who don't act like children. Even if there are just as many who do. *ding*
BlueCrimson10 Actually he needs Give an award. Didn't but the first game, only got pass 20% of the second one, completely dropped the third one when i played it because of the time limit and it was basically composed of sidequests. fuck this trilogy andd fuck it's battle system.
There's a lot of things wrong with this game, but I think Caius's character wrapped up nicely. 16:57 you can't shit on all the other characters for being the same, and then shit on Caius for changing lol
And this is the problem with reincarnating the same person with their immortal lover but giving her different spirit each time. Eventually you have to many Yeuls falling for Caius charm, or lack of it. Meanwhile original one sits in hidden realm with ever increasing love struck clone souls.
So... A year later and having watched your Kingdom Hearts videos, this entire "trilogy" feels more like a Kingdom Hearts game than a Final Fantasy game. In fact, it has most of the same characters and most of the same plot points.
I have feeling neither did the developers knew what they were doing. The trilogy was soo messed up you don't know what going on half the time. The developers i guess wanted too look like they can sophisticated in story telling. But, i guess they don't know what they were doing so the got people in a room and wrote drafts for the plot within a week an passed it without reading it twice. An probably did the same thing at 13-2, an lightning returns and said "hey lets put all these plots together it would look great". But it comes off more like a convoluted, not well thought out mess, and makes you wonder why even bother making two sequals.
@@silentecho92able Ff 13 and ff15.... Sorry but the series realy need to find it roots again because what was once one if the best rpg with excellent music fitting to the environments and charachters, and just felt all magical is not more to be found in final fantasy. I would not be suprised if they manage to make ff7 remake all thrash XD
I watched... more like, I heard the whole thing and I don't even know wth a cocoon is. I do know the black character wants to take care of his son for whatever reason
After the long struggle Dartigan makes it to the end of this trilogy. No more Sins and removals from slapping Snow around. XD May your soul find relaxation. Oh and uh, Resident Evil 5 for the next Gaming Sins!
Honestly. I can say this game is my fav from the 3. I have fond memories of the original but since you can move Lightning in cardinal directions during combat I haven’t been able to go back to 13 or 13-2. That, and the fact her sprint makes me feel a rush of “this game is kinda cool”
Kudos to you for actually making it through. I managed to get through 13 and 13-2 myself, but 13-3 was just THAT bad that I gave up halfway through. It's like they admitted they weren't even trying anymore. "Oh, our characters are unrelatable and seem dead inside? Eeeh..uhhh..god took away there emotions! That way we don't have to bother anymore with TRYING to write them like real characters instead of props!" Weird enough, Lumina got written in that setting, and may be the best character in the entire 13 series..
Way too late on this comment, but having played this one several times, there's a random line of dialogue (in Luxerion maybe?) that states that the children of the world were not only frozen in their child bodies but also in their childish mentality. Stupid? Yes. Improbable? Absolutely, but they do technically address it.
What, no sin for Lightning's whole "I'm not gonna do what you want me to and be your god of death" right on to "I'll be your god of death" like 30 seconds later?
mikigirl18 at most you missed a sometimes fun combat sistem. Everything else was fucking trash. Even the time restrictions and fetch quests were only there to distract you from how little enemy variety there is and how small is the game world. I had fun with the game but it's like a 6/10 tops.
That time limit thing was what made me NOT want to play the game. I hate time limits in games, but when the whole game is built around it, I'm like NOPE! I want to level up and take my time.
I’ll admit at certain points I was just like”Fuck This game and it’s time limit” but in my opinion I still like the entire 13 saga. My problems with the series are small and for the most part don’t ruin the games for me.
I had difficulty finishing even this video because the story and its poor consistency and sensibility made me lose interest quickly. It's like Toriyama just mashed a bunch of popular tropes and used that special "personal fantasy" as the topping. I wouldn't call that a stable vision. Would it be fair to call him a Japanese Michael Bay?
Magnanimous Ire better start learning japanese bec there was too much censorship in the west. its the reason why the story didnt make much sense at all
6:36 I had no idea Final Fantasy was that obvious about its pop culture references. I'm playing through the story of FFXIV, the MMO atm. Just got hold of an airship named the Enterprise. When we first launched, the NPC I had following me went "Enterprise - engage" when it launched. Further down the line, I hunt down 2 engineers for that same ship named Biggs and Wedge..
I swear, it's like Nomura and Toriyama had a fatal case of self-indulgent altruism. Like, they were more interested in trying to teach high-minded morals and beliefs than making an actually good game plot. Ironically, it shot their intentions to hell, because they were so engulfed by the beliefs they wanted to pass on that they worsened their own games and jaded players instead of inspiring them. In Toriyama's case, it was worse because he began treating Lightning less like a fictional character and more like his real-world daughter, which may have lead to not just her, but all his characters being treated as perfect and thus lacked any sort of improvement or growth. It's ironic, too; they would've actually had a better chance of passing on those beliefs if they just focused on making good games and let people decide what they may from those games. I believe the applicable phrase is, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"...?
Dude you must have the patience of a saint, i dont imagine anyone could devote this much time into this series without going mad. Maybe some revengance could cushion the blow?
MegaKAIOken! I beat the entire series in a week because I was bored and never finished it so instead of being a rational person I deleted all my saves and started all the way over. People can do anything if they’re bored enough and need some entertainment.
princeofhalcyon If I ever go back to playing this game, I'm going to mute it and do my own bad lip reading with the dialogue. That's the only way I'll able to stomach finishing the game.😧
I worked in theater and I know many directors who would be perfectly okay with blowing up their sets. Then the stage manager would remind them that no, that's a really bad idea.
2:06 i really have no idea, the only thing that comes to mind is either ffVII meteor or the lifestream. also i feel like the ffXIII trilogy never had a continuous plot or buildup of events planned, but it was just something like "let's throw shit at the wall to see what sticks"
Unpopular opinion: Even tho the game were pretty shitty in some points (Story, logic, backround character designs, boss battle designs, etc) I really enjoyed this game. I absolutely loved the battle system and I were a big fan of the soundtrack. And I really loved the ending of the game I had to cry :') the final fantasy 13 trilogy are my favorite final fantasy games and I still enjoy playing them💙 My favorite of the trilogy was of course final fantasy XIII because even tho the in game graphics were shitty sometimes and you can't jump (:'( ) I really loved the story and the boss battles! This final fantasy got me the most
3:52 YES THATS MY BIGHEST HANG UP I actually REALLY like FFXIII Started FFXIII2 and literally couldnt finish it, looked up the ending and moved to LR My biggest issue (along side why it HAD to be Light) is why she would devote herself to a diety after literally almost losing her life in a fight to free herself from a diety
I thought I'd ran out of love for the Final Fantasy series for not being able to play XIII after the first part. Thanks to you, and to everyone else that has commented below, I find myself pretty reassured of that decision. Although I played the demo for Lightning Returns and enjoyed the class-changing "new" feature . I thought I'd buy one copy just for that. Again, thanks to you, I saved money. Awesome series, "Game Sins", by the way.
15:28-15:38 Replace Lightning with final fantasy fans, replace Caius with the final fantasy XIII franchise, and replace 'they' (Yuel) with Square Enix. Set the scene in September 2012 and we have audiences first reaction to the reveal of this game.
FF XIII-2 and 3 felt like deliberate punishments from Squenix just because I liked the first game. I never wanted to know what it was like to be a Sonic the Hedgehog fan, but I guess I know what they've been going through for years and years now. Anywho, my vote's for Metal Gear Rising Revengeance. Even if I wanted you to sin another Resident Evil title, I wouldn't want it to be 5. Maybe one of the Revelations games?
Honestly, there's nothing wrong with liking this game, or any game, no matter how bad it may be. I hate the entire trilogy, but I hate it even more when people try to tell others what and what not to like...
I found it had the weakest story but the best gameplay, which is likely because action games are my favorite kind of games, plus punching out a god is fun. The ending was also a huge nostalgia trip for me since I lived in southwest France for a while, even though she was in southeast France.
A bit far-fetched, but yeah, not many of them understand black people, Toriyama does not help with that stereotype. If anything sheltered directors shouldn't do AAA games.
7:05 Everytime I play this game, I can't avoid thinking that Lightning's personality have an Strong resemblance with Selene (Kate Beckinsale) from Underworld.
Sin 150: probably because in the second game, he had the power of Chaos. In the third game, he became entwined with Chaos. There's a subtle yet apparently significant difference, that being the same difference between wielding a weapon and melding it to your body.
Hope was so annoying in this game his endless speaking. And they treated some of the main characters pretty bad like Sazh. He had a really important role in the first but now look he has like just a very small role. And again Caius sees Yeul as his daughter and she sees him as a father. You can literally hear that. Caius said: "She is just a CHILD who needs to be looked after". He sees her as a child because he raised every Yeul because of the rule that every Yeul has to leave her family as soon as she sees her first vision or speaks her first word. It is written in the novel "FF13-2: Fragmente After" Yeul was mostly at the age of 3 or 5 when Caius took her away from her family, he raised her and sees her as a child and as his daughter. In dissidia omnia it is also shown because Barret and some other speaks about Caius and Barret literally said "I have a little girl too" and which girl does Barret have, of course it is Marlene which is his adopted daughter. Square Enix tells in this way that Caius is a father for Yeul. It would be easy if they would shown Caius with a little 5 years old Yeul, then putting it in novel.
He said Lightning's motivation was always the same -- but that's not the theme of the trilogy. The theme of XIII is defying fate _(which they fail at anyway)_ The theme of XIII-2 is...actually, that game was such a mess I can't even pinpoint the theme. The theme of LR is death and rebirth So, no. Not the same.
man I never thought even the sins video would be this painful to watch :( I think I lost a large chunk of brain there LOL Thanks for your hard work @Dartigan, it must have been hell to make this haha
The worst story in all of Final Fantasy in my opinion, the 1st game didn't explain things(the gods are the single most important plot point and most people had no idea about Bhunivelze/Etro/Pulse/Lindzei/whatever the mother was called) so just confusion, add in 2 more games more convoluted than Kingdom Hearts and you have kinda the ultimate hot mess of a story. All the plotholes and contradictions.
To be fair Etro and the other gods are only significant on the second and third game (Altough Etro does have an importance at the end of the first one)
Dumb plot, characters, side-quests, cliches, gameplay, TIRED Square Enix tropes, and blatant real-world-themed religious lore/plot filled with enough holes in logic to sink a floating continent... Final Fantasy XIII was a _fukkin'_ mistake.
The series was not a mistake it was just filled whit a lot of logical failures, plot holes and not very good gameplay mechanic except from the last game. And it was one of the best selled FF games. It has very mixed critics so it was not a total mistake
you must have the nerves of a saint in order to play and beat all 3 ff13 games i got about 4 hours in the first one and was so bored that i snapped the disc in half and gave up on the whole thing. and i love videos man keep it up
I actually waited for this for a long time. I'm surprised you didn't sin it for allowing you an extra day even though they keep reminding you "omg 13 days." Or even how Hope forces you to go to the ark at 6am. Or how he keeps REMINDING YOU ABOUT IT.
"After 2 games full of Snow`s positivity, seeing him turn into a Kingdom Hearts Villain fills me with so much schadenfreude that it can only be expressed in German." Made-my-day!
"Caius is making my wrists want to cry."
"now leave me alone with my loli harem" killed me
from that point of view caius doesnt really have it that bad
He is the Char Anzable of the FF universe.
17:14, for my future reference
I'm so edgy!
I come back just for that line alone😭
"Oh my fucking god, they immigrated to Earth" shit had me in tears!
Mine was makes my wrist wanna cry.
mines was cringe levels reaching lethal amounts
Anthony Browne I know right
...Just like Chrono Cross. : /
17:11 for future reference.
"Lumina is Lightning's nobody" lmao
DarkStorm230 You can put your Final Fantasy in my Kingdom Hearts but keep my Kingdom Hearts outta your Final Fantasy!
gotta admit that was gold.... including "Caius' loli harem" lol
DarkStorm230 lmao that's funny
Shouldn't she be Serah's nobody since she looks like Serah?
More like lightning see she the one with no heart lol
You know he secretly loves them because a) he has actually played them all and b) internalized more of the plot than I can ever possibly hope to remember.
"It's really only the presence of the returning cast that makes this a sequel."
(The 3rd Birthday sweats nervously.)
"Now Leave me alone with my loli harem." I died laughing just about at that point
But was your soul saved?
17:14
A moment of silence for the amount of pain this man went through for finishing this trilogy
I 100% each one. I'll never get that time back.
Khinzaw Thein Why would you put yourself through that pain
There is literally nothing good about this game, ESPECIALLY the combat. If I had to choose between eating shit and playing this game I'd ask if the shit had corn in it.
Jayden Lee agreed
+addison santos I 100% every main FF.
They devoted resources to making all those outfits for Lightning but all the older characters wear the same thing.
Lets also ignore the fact that in every game the characters find a new excuse for why they have magical powers. First it’s because they’re all L’Cie. In the second one Sarah and Noel get there powers from the chaos that leaked from Valhalla. In the 3rd one Vanille is given the power to speak to chaos by Bhunivelzah, Snow becomes a L’Cie for the 3rd time in the series,Dajh somehow can control and split his soul into fragments,Hope is turned into a puppet by bhunivelzah, Fangs magical was probably given to her by bhunivelzah so that she could protect Vanille. Sazh somehow still has his powers for some unexplained reason. Even the eidolons are still alive. Odin got reincarnated as a fucking Chocobo.Hell the only one besides Lightning that even remotely changes there look throughout the series is Snow in the first game he had a white trench coat a bandanna and boots. In the second he ditched the bandanna and switched to a black trench coat. In the 3rd he has on an all black outfit and long hair.
@@MykeThaOrphan0209 Oh man... you really delved deep in this shit hole, did you?
God I never thought about that, wtf actually
Dartigan, I want to thank you. your final fantasy thirteen saga has been like therapy for a junior in high school going through finals. I am very glad you have finished it. I thank you again.
A game about a recycled story using a recycled engine and recycled assets. And the big themes seem to be repetition and entropy. That's almost clever.
Everytime Kingdom Hearts 3 gets postponed, another FF XIII is born.
@Spiderbread EXP Well not true....versus 13 was only inspired by the 13 mythos but they weren't in the same universe.
They were supposed to be Alternate Final Fanrasy XiII takes.
But this was so confusing and h
Difficult to grasp that they gave up on the concept. This is why fabula nova crystallizes FF13 was renamed FNC: FF.
ZanMindtrip
Reading this two years after the fact I now see what the problem was... In part anyway...
I still had some fun with the ffxiii trilogy despite its many flaws, the story is stupid and filled with plotholes, and the characters leave much to be desired, but the graphics are really good, the music is awesome, and I personally liked the battle system
See: things SE is good at and like to milk. It's kind of traditional for an FF game to have those qualities.
@@fieryrebirth Not really
@Vordt, della valle cereale FF7 is so damn good
"This game feels like it was designed to trick weebs into attending church." - I haven't laughed so hard in like 5-ish years. Thanks for that :D
Well guys, we made it to the end of the trilogy! Let's give ourselves a pat on the back.
TheCartoonfaxuator for now.....
TheCartoonfaxuator
and like Shadow the hedgehog, Let's Never turn back.
TheCartoonfaxuator
What do you mean "we?" Dartigan did all the work.
Could we petition Square to never let the likes of Motomu Toriyama near the series again?
Neo TricksterZero
Exactly.
"Just 5 short centuries to reach the end of the world"
No ding on that one? 500 years is a long time, there's nothing short about it. Immortal or not you are not going to say, "Oh 500 years, eh that's no time at all."
relative to a planet's lifespan (and not a person's lifetime), 500 years is a short time
It shouldn't take conscious beings with WMDs 500 years.
TheHolyDarkness it'll take longer than that with nuclear weapons . the world won't just explode you know lol
Yeah, well, um, nuh-huh. Disintegrating six sextillion tons of iron is a cinch. Like, totally. I r right, u r wrong(?)!
T-Totally. >_
Ben Smith no just turn off gravity and watch EVERYTHING explode.
"Cringe levels are nearing lethal amounts" I like the trilogy but even I have to strongly agree with that statement.
The series feels not only very cringey, but also very... manic. I honestly think the director of the XIII series has some problems.
@NECRO 69 What the fuck are you on about? Did someone take your candy away?
@@haziqtheunique Was it Hope, did he give you those vibes?
@NECRO 69 ??? Ok, if you feel you gotta put down others just to feel good your projecting your insecurities. You just came outta now where with unfounded saltyness and right now your attitude is as bad as a wet blanket. You are a troll.
Final Fantasy has always had a history with religion and entities but this game took it far too literally.
A negative history religion and as a believer, I don't particularly care for that.
To quote Yahtzee, "To my mind, a JRPG just isn’t a JRPG unless it ends with teenagers using the power of friendship to kill God. It’s like how if you don’t have the stallion scene, you can’t really call yourself barnyard porn."
Also, I am vastly surprised that this video was shorter than expected. Sure, a lot of the fetch quests arguably had to be cut, but I still think that there were a LOT of notable problems, I mean the restaurant mission alone was PALACE GUARDS ARE CONDUCTING A SEARCH FOR THE THE INTRUDER CALLING HERSELF "THE SAVIOR." SHE HAS ROSE-COLORED HAIR AND IS CARRYING AN ENORMOUS WEAPON. CITIZENS ARE ASKED TO REPORT PERSONS MATCHING THIS DESCRIPTION TO THE NEAREST SECURITY OFFICER. and the hats were also silly.
Anyhow, terrific video nonetheless as usual! This vote is a tough one...nanomachines or boulder punching? Oh, let's go boulder punching & vote for Resident Evil 5.
SlyDante that's a good ZP quote and it perfectly summarizes this game, hell it summarizes the entire FF13 series. And for those who are wondering, it's from Yahtzee's earthbound review
I’m surprised he didn’t go over any fetch quests, considering that the sin counter would be, if not the, biggest in his videos. But I digress, it would take too long for anyone to make a video stating every issue in a game’s content.
So you're telling me the killed God with the magic of friendship? *Sigh of reluctant acceptance* Also MGSR for the next one.
Incitos 98 Well to paraphrase Yahtzee in his Earthbound ZP video, "A JRPG just isn't a JRPG if it doesn't end with teenagers using the power of friendship to kill God", so LRFFXIII is definitely a JRPG.
Persona does that shit all the time, man
Redhead 1910 lol I was about to say, sounds like a Persona game
@@TanteiGH so who do you think is more powerful.
Persona Philemon and Nyarlatothep, Nyx(P3 Club book lore), or Bhunivelze
Persona 5 did it with style. You can be utterly ridiculous, but charisma will always disguise silliness. Every jrpg have that, but Persona just do it right. Also, it's hilarious to me how the japanese writers follows the sentai cliche even to this day (red sentai is the main guy, but he need other colored sentais to help and blablabla)... but, the japanese society is very repressed, almost not social at all. How can you write about friendship if your people doesn't know how to make friends?
honestly the sexual tension lightning had between Snow and Hope in the 1st and 3rd games were top notch.
Wait seriously??
I get... that you could say... lighting strikes... twice....
I will leave now
apparently thrice
imskiller99 I'm sure the All-father disapprove of his namesake being used like that lol n shouldn't there be nine realms? Lol I'm seeing a theme n it's giving me a massive headache...I'd played ff13-2 n it was cool until Sarah was imitating Yuna from ff10 useless.
I think it's safe to safe that, Lightning struck out. So glad to see ff12 getting put in the grinder.
Aerial Violet it always was put through the grinder. People talked shit about 13 since the first one.
Allow me to ease your suffering with a pun. Since Odin is now a chocobo can I call him chocobodin?
The "Oh my fucking god, the immigrated to Earth." Sin made me laugh way more then it should have.
"Lumina is essentially Lightning's Nobody" OMFG THANK YOU. I mean, Lumina's the heart, and Lightning is the body/Nobody, but still!
And jusk like KH the story is utterly confusing, XIII = KH3
I mean, KH is confusing, but it's more a case of Nomura being Nomura, and adding more characters and expanding the universe while forgetting about his previous stuff. The stories contained within themselves are still good, and they're all pretty consistent in themes within the KH series. With the XIII series, it's a pretty clear case of executive meddling and not editing out too many ideas. Like Dartigan said, each of the games could've been their own standalone plot with nothing tying them together but the characters. Each of the XIII games seems like a mix of wasted potential and "wtf", whereas the KH games are just "wtf".
Knowing that I have experienced this trilogy without having played it makes me happier than it should, probably because I know I dodged a bullet.
7:51 A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE SCI-FI BEACON
Can't spell Low Effort without FF
this comment needs more likes.
I'll be glad to contribute
Graphics the game.
bruh >:]
I miss FF6, and 7, and 9. Hell I even miss 10.
Compared to the 13 trilogy even 10 was better.
And so Lighting became a Louis Vuitton Model in the new world, which explains why we saw all those ads of her modeling clothes, IT ALL CAME FULL CIRCLE FOR ADVERTISING!!
waited so long for this... totally worth it
""Oh my fucking God they immigrated to Earth""
That was by far the best review you've done yet. I was rolling in my seat the entire time. Bravo and hats off to you sir.
I got a hernia from playing this game for 2 hours; never picked it up since. Thank you for your service. Your sacrifice will not be forgotten.
12:18
>God's emissary with no emotions
>Is remotely vain
And yes, this is one contradiction of many.
Oh hey, it’s you! I remember you from your Emiya video.
I remember when one of the Gamestop guys hung out with me on his break. He was telling me about his obsession with collecting games and had an entire shelf dedicated to the bad ones he calls the Dog-shit Collection.
XIII,XIII-2 and LR XIII were all nicely displayed on top lol.
FF XIII-2 and Lightning Returns is just a bad dream that Lightning had. FF XIII ended perfectly.
I agree
FFXIII was stupid but not as nearly stupid as 2 and LR these two should have never been thought of
Yeah, emphasis on the END. This really didn’t need to be a trilogy.
They should have focus on something else, 13-2 and LR is a waste of time
It ended perfectly because of the fact that it ended 👍
For sin 118... not all the kids kept acting like kids. Remember the acter who shed tears for money? and there are plenty of (NPC) kids who don't act like children. Even if there are just as many who do. *ding*
BlueCrimson10 Actually he needs Give an award. Didn't but the first game, only got pass 20% of the second one, completely dropped the third one when i played it because of the time limit and it was basically composed of sidequests. fuck this trilogy andd fuck it's battle system.
There's a lot of things wrong with this game, but I think Caius's character wrapped up nicely.
16:57 you can't shit on all the other characters for being the same, and then shit on Caius for changing lol
And this is the problem with reincarnating the same person with their immortal lover but giving her different spirit each time. Eventually you have to many Yeuls falling for Caius charm, or lack of it.
Meanwhile original one sits in hidden realm with ever increasing love struck clone souls.
"Oh my fucking god, they immigrated to Earth." Died laughing at this.
So... A year later and having watched your Kingdom Hearts videos, this entire "trilogy" feels more like a Kingdom Hearts game than a Final Fantasy game. In fact, it has most of the same characters and most of the same plot points.
Probably why I enjoy the trilogy, plots complicated as fuck
@@thespectaculargamernerd8114 Not complicated, just a mess with plotholes. I did like the trilogy somewhat but it is still messy.
The characters in Kingdom Hearts are based on this game, you are backwards
@@danlovegames4446 The... what? Kindgom Hearts released in 2002 and Kingdom Hearts 2 in 2005. Final Fantasy 13 released 2009. How? Or were you joking?
@@Malidictus I'd be surprised if they weren't joking.
"Caius is making my wrists want to cry." I am in literal tears, holy shit.
I didn't understand a thing about the 13 saga. I feel dumber than I probably should.
I have feeling neither did the developers knew what they were doing. The trilogy was soo messed up you don't know what going on half the time. The developers i guess wanted too look like they can sophisticated in story telling. But, i guess they don't know what they were doing so the got people in a room and wrote drafts for the plot within a week an passed it without reading it twice. An probably did the same thing at 13-2, an lightning returns and said "hey lets put all these plots together it would look great".
But it comes off more like a convoluted, not well thought out mess, and makes you wonder why even bother making two sequals.
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Ff 13 and ff15.... Sorry but the series realy need to find it roots again because what was once one if the best rpg with excellent music fitting to the environments and charachters, and just felt all magical is not more to be found in final fantasy.
I would not be suprised if they manage to make ff7 remake all thrash XD
I watched... more like, I heard the whole thing and I don't even know wth a cocoon is. I do know the black character wants to take care of his son for whatever reason
After the long struggle Dartigan makes it to the end of this trilogy. No more Sins and removals from slapping Snow around. XD May your soul find relaxation. Oh and uh, Resident Evil 5 for the next Gaming Sins!
I agree! RE 5 sins!
Now Dartigan should be a God.
YES! I have been waiting for this video for 2 years. The day has finally come!!!
Honestly. I can say this game is my fav from the 3. I have fond memories of the original but since you can move Lightning in cardinal directions during combat I haven’t been able to go back to 13 or 13-2. That, and the fact her sprint makes me feel a rush of “this game is kinda cool”
Bless you , I have been waiting for quite sometime for the finale . Thanks for enduring it . ^^
I sat through your entire playthrough on Twitch, felt like a 20 hour labour but this cringe-baby is worth it!
Kudos to you for actually making it through. I managed to get through 13 and 13-2 myself, but 13-3 was just THAT bad that I gave up halfway through. It's like they admitted they weren't even trying anymore. "Oh, our characters are unrelatable and seem dead inside? Eeeh..uhhh..god took away there emotions! That way we don't have to bother anymore with TRYING to write them like real characters instead of props!" Weird enough, Lumina got written in that setting, and may be the best character in the entire 13 series..
Way too late on this comment, but having played this one several times, there's a random line of dialogue (in Luxerion maybe?) that states that the children of the world were not only frozen in their child bodies but also in their childish mentality. Stupid? Yes. Improbable? Absolutely, but they do technically address it.
What, no sin for Lightning's whole "I'm not gonna do what you want me to and be your god of death" right on to "I'll be your god of death" like 30 seconds later?
I missed absolutely nothing by never playing this game. I knew my instincts were correct.
mikigirl18 at most you missed a sometimes fun combat sistem. Everything else was fucking trash. Even the time restrictions and fetch quests were only there to distract you from how little enemy variety there is and how small is the game world. I had fun with the game but it's like a 6/10 tops.
That time limit thing was what made me NOT want to play the game. I hate time limits in games, but when the whole game is built around it, I'm like NOPE! I want to level up and take my time.
I’ll admit at certain points I was just like”Fuck This game and it’s time limit” but in my opinion I still like the entire 13 saga. My problems with the series are small and for the most part don’t ruin the games for me.
I had difficulty finishing even this video because the story and its poor consistency and sensibility made me lose interest quickly. It's like Toriyama just mashed a bunch of popular tropes and used that special "personal fantasy" as the topping. I wouldn't call that a stable vision. Would it be fair to call him a Japanese Michael Bay?
Magnanimous Ire better start learning japanese bec there was too much censorship in the west. its the reason why the story didnt make much sense at all
Why don't you make a game then?
@@Emmaline91 lmao that's a pathetic comeback
@@Emmaline91 shit comeback
13:18, the best part is, in Final Fantasy III, the final antagonist is literally only referred to as "The Cloud of Darkness".
It wouldn't feel right just watching this video so I'm going to start the trilogy over for the 400th time.
6:36 I had no idea Final Fantasy was that obvious about its pop culture references. I'm playing through the story of FFXIV, the MMO atm. Just got hold of an airship named the Enterprise. When we first launched, the NPC I had following me went "Enterprise - engage" when it launched. Further down the line, I hunt down 2 engineers for that same ship named Biggs and Wedge..
Can i get a standing ovation for this man? He f*cking deserves it!
I swear, it's like Nomura and Toriyama had a fatal case of self-indulgent altruism. Like, they were more interested in trying to teach high-minded morals and beliefs than making an actually good game plot. Ironically, it shot their intentions to hell, because they were so engulfed by the beliefs they wanted to pass on that they worsened their own games and jaded players instead of inspiring them. In Toriyama's case, it was worse because he began treating Lightning less like a fictional character and more like his real-world daughter, which may have lead to not just her, but all his characters being treated as perfect and thus lacked any sort of improvement or growth.
It's ironic, too; they would've actually had a better chance of passing on those beliefs if they just focused on making good games and let people decide what they may from those games. I believe the applicable phrase is, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"...?
"stuck in a game where all the air is sucked out by the plot"
Dude you must have the patience of a saint, i dont imagine anyone could devote this much time into this series without going mad. Maybe some revengance could cushion the blow?
MegaKAIOken! I beat the entire series in a week because I was bored and never finished it so instead of being a rational person I deleted all my saves and started all the way over. People can do anything if they’re bored enough and need some entertainment.
You could mute this game and make up a better version of where this story is going multiple times.
You just gave me an idea
princeofhalcyon If I ever go back to playing this game, I'm going to mute it and do my own bad lip reading with the dialogue. That's the only way I'll able to stomach finishing the game.😧
Finally! I've been waiting for this video for a looong time!!!
I worked in theater and I know many directors who would be perfectly okay with blowing up their sets. Then the stage manager would remind them that no, that's a really bad idea.
2:06 i really have no idea, the only thing that comes to mind is either ffVII meteor or the lifestream.
also i feel like the ffXIII trilogy never had a continuous plot or buildup of events planned, but it was just something like "let's throw shit at the wall to see what sticks"
The first wasn't confusing at all it was the sequals were stuff made no scense
Unpopular opinion: Even tho the game were pretty shitty in some points (Story, logic, backround character designs, boss battle designs, etc) I really enjoyed this game. I absolutely loved the battle system and I were a big fan of the soundtrack. And I really loved the ending of the game I had to cry :')
the final fantasy 13 trilogy are my favorite final fantasy games and I still enjoy playing them💙 My favorite of the trilogy was of course final fantasy XIII because even tho the in game graphics were shitty sometimes and you can't jump (:'( ) I really loved the story and the boss battles! This final fantasy got me the most
3:52 YES
THATS MY BIGHEST HANG UP
I actually REALLY like FFXIII
Started FFXIII2 and literally couldnt finish it, looked up the ending and moved to LR
My biggest issue (along side why it HAD to be Light) is why she would devote herself to a diety after literally almost losing her life in a fight to free herself from a diety
I thought I'd ran out of love for the Final Fantasy series for not being able to play XIII after the first part. Thanks to you, and to everyone else that has commented below, I find myself pretty reassured of that decision. Although I played the demo for Lightning Returns and enjoyed the class-changing "new" feature . I thought I'd buy one copy just for that. Again, thanks to you, I saved money. Awesome series, "Game Sins", by the way.
Jeez. This FF series makes me miss FF7- Dirge of Cerberus.
Ya know. That Vincent spin off that actually had s followable plot and a bad ass last boss.
No people were harmed in the making of this whole trilogy.
...Is what I would be saying if anything made sense at all.
15:28-15:38 Replace Lightning with final fantasy fans, replace Caius with the final fantasy XIII franchise, and replace 'they' (Yuel) with Square Enix. Set the scene in September 2012 and we have audiences first reaction to the reveal of this game.
It really pisses me off that there's no "Lightning Round" In "Everything Wrong with Lightning Returns!"
The entire trilogy seems to be directed by Paul W.S. Anderson 😂
FF XIII-2 and 3 felt like deliberate punishments from Squenix just because I liked the first game. I never wanted to know what it was like to be a Sonic the Hedgehog fan, but I guess I know what they've been going through for years and years now. Anywho, my vote's for Metal Gear Rising Revengeance. Even if I wanted you to sin another Resident Evil title, I wouldn't want it to be 5. Maybe one of the Revelations games?
This shit is too good!
"Bland, boring, emotionless, angsty....." I'm 💀💀😂😂😂
This video is fucking amazing, first video I've seen of this channel, never played or seen anyone play any sort of FFXIII and even so I subscribed.
I liked this game honestly.
(it's still pretty dumb though)
i liked it too and not because i could put lightning into sexy outfits. I actually like the whole FFXIII trilogy
Honestly, there's nothing wrong with liking this game, or any game, no matter how bad it may be. I hate the entire trilogy, but I hate it even more when people try to tell others what and what not to like...
Storgud EWW Soul Calibur V anybody?
I found it had the weakest story but the best gameplay, which is likely because action games are my favorite kind of games, plus punching out a god is fun. The ending was also a huge nostalgia trip for me since I lived in southwest France for a while, even though she was in southeast France.
Storgud I let others think what they think but me personally I loved all 3 games. there were some flaws here and there but no game is perfect.
12:20 that scene made me laugh *because* it was so at odds with her character
Am i the only one that actually loved FF13? I mean come on the cinematics and design was amazing!
There is more to a game's quality than shiny graphics.
for Sin number 16, around 2:20 You want the best couple in Final Fantasy? *points to Zack and Aerith* there, the best FF couple.
Lucky me this was my first FF series and i had nothing to compare it to :3 so it will always be my favorite. Now here i am loving FFXIV
1:00 didn't expect to hear Gameomat here :D
For those who don't know he does the same just in german :D
That Sazh scene is ultimate proof that the Japanese have no concept of tone and are all aliens that cannot write believable human characters.
A bit far-fetched, but yeah, not many of them understand black people, Toriyama does not help with that stereotype. If anything sheltered directors shouldn't do AAA games.
7:05 Everytime I play this game, I can't avoid thinking that Lightning's personality have an Strong resemblance with Selene (Kate Beckinsale) from Underworld.
Sin 150: probably because in the second game, he had the power of Chaos. In the third game, he became entwined with Chaos. There's a subtle yet apparently significant difference, that being the same difference between wielding a weapon and melding it to your body.
What? WHAT?!?! Are you kidding?! What you are saying is semantics that dont explain anything.
U don't know it but the little german part is spoken by the guy who does game sins in german and this little part is well known in german youtube
Lol really cool
Lol. Lumina was definitely my favorite character in this game. Also Darkwing Duck!
Hope was so annoying in this game his endless speaking. And they treated some of the main characters pretty bad like Sazh. He had a really important role in the first but now look he has like just a very small role.
And again Caius sees Yeul as his daughter and she sees him as a father. You can literally hear that. Caius said: "She is just a CHILD who needs to be looked after". He sees her as a child because he raised every Yeul because of the rule that every Yeul has to leave her family as soon as she sees her first vision or speaks her first word. It is written in the novel "FF13-2: Fragmente After" Yeul was mostly at the age of 3 or 5 when Caius took her away from her family, he raised her and sees her as a child and as his daughter.
In dissidia omnia it is also shown because Barret and some other speaks about Caius and Barret literally said "I have a little girl too" and which girl does Barret have, of course it is Marlene which is his adopted daughter. Square Enix tells in this way that Caius is a father for Yeul.
It would be easy if they would shown Caius with a little 5 years old Yeul, then putting it in novel.
i love how he says that none of the games share the same theme then seconds later say all the games are the same lmao
He said Lightning's motivation was always the same -- but that's not the theme of the trilogy.
The theme of XIII is defying fate _(which they fail at anyway)_
The theme of XIII-2 is...actually, that game was such a mess I can't even pinpoint the theme.
The theme of LR is death and rebirth
So, no. Not the same.
It took me over a year to realize that the clock in the Ark is the Eye of Etro and/or Orphan.
man I never thought even the sins video would be this painful to watch :( I think I lost a large chunk of brain there LOL
Thanks for your hard work @Dartigan, it must have been hell to make this haha
The worst story in all of Final Fantasy in my opinion, the 1st game didn't explain things(the gods are the single most important plot point and most people had no idea about Bhunivelze/Etro/Pulse/Lindzei/whatever the mother was called) so just confusion, add in 2 more games more convoluted than Kingdom Hearts and you have kinda the ultimate hot mess of a story. All the plotholes and contradictions.
To be fair Etro and the other gods are only significant on the second and third game (Altough Etro does have an importance at the end of the first one)
The end of the World is imminent but Lightning becomes a shift manager.
Do all of the Kingdom Hearts games! It's gonna be hilarious if it happens!
Main sin: Time limit to complete any video game. Worth 1000 sins.
Dumb plot, characters, side-quests, cliches, gameplay, TIRED Square Enix tropes, and blatant real-world-themed religious lore/plot filled with enough holes in logic to sink a floating continent...
Final Fantasy XIII was a _fukkin'_ mistake.
It made money, so...
The series was not a mistake it was just filled whit a lot of logical failures, plot holes and not very good gameplay mechanic except from the last game. And it was one of the best selled FF games. It has very mixed critics so it was not a total mistake
I expected this to be literally every scene in the game in full length
everything wrong with kingdom hearts
Every episode would be as long as this one.
there is and it's made by Charii5
BlueCrimson10 I'm not hearing a downside
Exaflare Bahamut if it's not dartigan it doesn't matter
safnhuo an hour. Long. On kingdom. Hearts. 2.
you must have the nerves of a saint in order to play and beat all 3 ff13 games i got about 4 hours in the first one and was so bored that i snapped the disc in half and gave up on the whole thing. and i love videos man keep it up
14:04 you know nothing, jon snow
I actually waited for this for a long time. I'm surprised you didn't sin it for allowing you an extra day even though they keep reminding you "omg 13 days." Or even how Hope forces you to go to the ark at 6am. Or how he keeps REMINDING YOU ABOUT IT.
Still the best Action FF game
until FFVII Remake that is
The bar for "best FF action game" is so low that I'm shocked you were able to retrieve it from the Earth's core.