GAME SINS | Everything Wrong With Final Fantasy XII
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Did you even remember Final Fantasy XII existing? You would think counting from one to fifteen you would recall there was a twelfth game in the series.There's good reason as to why it fell down a collective memory hole. It starts with doing nothing interesting and playing it as safe as possible, and continues into a bunch of other issues I list in the video. Here are the sins of Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age.
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"what's better than one Darth Vader? 5 Darth Vaders"
I can't
They did the Knights of Ren before the sequel trilogy.
@@chrisdaughen5257 pretty much
“Vaan spends the entire game as a gay Aladdin.” LOl
that seems unfair to gay Aladdin
Oh come on, I really like him
It would be more accurate to say that Vaan spends the entire game as a cucked Aladdin.
@@Omega-jg4oq they should've picked a better voice actor for him though. His voice is cringe worthy.
Hahahahaha
Dartigan: Don't know if the devs realize how much they borrowed from the movie.
Devs: why have we had Star Wars playing on a loop for the entire development time?
"I think Vaan just wants to be someone other than himself, even for a moment."
If I don't hear the words "Vaan looks like a rentboy" then I'm going to be disappointed.
Edit: I'll settle for the "he spends the entire game looking like a gay Aladdin."
Lmao 😂
You forgot to sin the part where almost every Guy in Rabanastre is almost entirely shirtless
Also, don't trust Ondores lies guys. Stay safe
"I'M BASCH VON RONSENBURG OF DALMASCA!"
"DON'T LISTEN TO ONDORES LIES"
"I'M CAPTAIN BASCH"
oh my god Vaan SHUT UP
Desert is typically a hot place. Let's talk about how no NPC in Bur Omisace got winter wear.
@@faburos9012 isnt desert ultimately cold at night?
@@AndromedaPrima Desert is typically cold at night but we never got to see Rabanastre at night outside of cutscene, didn't we?
@@faburos9012Poor refugees running away from war.
Fran is clearly the best character for multiple perfectly sculpted reasons
Agreed you can tell they really liked Fran.
And her race (bunny humanoid) are in FF14
@@Rj-fw6dd
Not anymore, they aren't. The Viera race is an all-female race, but there are male versions now. So not Viera. Just Beastfolk with bunny flavouring.
@@QuetzalcoatlTK Indeed. The furries...
@@superlombax1561 actually she isn't furry. She's just a bunny version of a nekomata.
When he talked about the similarities between this game and Star Wars... I died so much. I didn't even realize it until now.
Final Fantasy has always been heavily inspired by Star Wars, although this game takes it to the next level.
Final Fantasy 2 had the original evil empire and rebel group. The chocobos are sort of like those mounts in Star Wars. Final Fantasy VI had Biggs and Wedge named after Star Wars characters, and returns to the evil empire and rebel group. Final Fantasy VII had the evil empire (shinra), but there are many differences in that storyline.
@@aoeu256 Final Fantasy IX straight-up lifts a few lines from The Phantom Menace, giving us a bit of Yoda in the finale.
Wow I didn't notice this at all!
That's sad
The last time I was this early, Rabanastre was still free of the Imperials.
Yea rabanastre looks like a graveyart right now
"this is the only game where you have to play more if you screw up"
holy shit thats so accurate.
the only thing that made this final fantasy memorable was bunny girl, the combat system and the fact that ifrit wasn't a summon
now that i am watching the video, i realize that i barely knew anything about the story when i played it a decade ago
The goes for banner saga 3 actually.
It's completely inaccurate. That's the premise of every game ever.. Scew up = replaying content.
@@MrConnstar "rewarded with more gameplay if you screw things up and dont bother" means you get to play more if you don't let it do everything automatically.
@@plumbob109 ahh ok, I see. Very nuance to be fair. Was lost on me.
"Balthier is han solo and Fran a sexy Chewbecca" im dead 🤣😀
“These characters are so bland they didn’t even use any of them in a Kingdom Hearts game.”
Nomura is pretty shaky about putting Final Fantasy characters he didn’t design into Kingdom Hearts period. It’s a miracle we even got Vivi
I swear ViVi got a pass cuz he looks like a heartless, legit as a child thought he was a tame heartless until I played ff9
@@devilovesdevil I was thinking he was a tame heartless too lmao I didn't know he was in final fantasy.
All hail Vivi
Actually, Nomura did design Vivi, I heard.
@@superlombax1561
Nomura didn’t work on FFIX in anyway
That opening narration about when's a good time time to finish this game tho.... that's a bit too real lol
I can relate, it happened to me.
Twice.
I was young, and stupid. Mostly stupid to be honest
@@pokerraper1 Me too. Three times if you count the fact that I got my wife in on it the third time and never finished it either
Yeah it was almost as if they made it their mission to make the main character as unlikable as possible😂
@@MrMutou not that I dislike Vaan, but he's just there, being him, while Basch, Balthier and Ashe try to get the attention they rightfully deserve
@Alteric Jeske LOL LOLOLOLOLMAO
I always regarded this game as "that one with the sexy bunny girl" because I also forgot 90% of it
Can agree on most sins, still like the game.
Yeah as someone who has played this game several times, it's more for the scenery/huge end game dungeons. The story has always been pretty bland, especially for a ff game.
@@LepWho i also liked the Soundtrack, well same composer as FF Tactics.
@@Onebie ye soundtrack isn't as iconic as other ff games but it's a really beautiful orchestra, all the music fits the scenery really well
Honeslty my stance on any game he has sinned that I've played.
I consider it the dry-run for Xenoblade Chronicles. Maybe not in plot, but definitely for gameplay.
Although I will say, I think the voice acting was fantastic on the back of FFX. Especially Fran's voice, which is weirdly intriguing.
The japanese va is much better, particularly for ashe. I like their voices better in english, bit the japanese va has more emotion in it.
@@sethtallman7281 The Japanese ALWAYS have shown more emotion in voice acting.
The only thing that gets me is the cadence of the way some characters talk...
@@MajorFenix That’s every FF game even today though. FF7 Remake, as blissfully amazing as it is in the VA department, still has some oddness about it. Especially the grunting 😂
@@Fyrecide I have to disagree, FF7 sucks...
13:09 No, he asked Vaan to deliver the sword to Azelas, as in Vossler. Seeing as earlier in the game Reks referred to Vossler as Captain Azelas, and later Vaan goes around parading around announcing Basch’s full name (Basch fon Ronsenburg), I fail to see how you could get that wrong sir.
Ah so THIS is where you've been all this time. Good to see you back, good sir.
Since he recently had research streams for Dragon Age Inquisition we might be in for another monster of a video in a couple of weeks.
Ain't it? Had me looking sideways
"I guess I should feel relieved that Al Cid didn't carry a rose in his mouth and fight a bull for his introduction."
Lmao that was good.
Not enough license points stranger!
23:19 The reason Vaan was able to see the ghost it was because the Occurria was considering using him as their Plan B, but when he decided to leave behind past grudges and look to the future, they stopped showing him any nethicite visions, unwittingly showing Ashe an example of letting go of such things.
And, at the end of the game, Vaan is already a sky pirate, he is going to meet Balthier for a "job" (raiding a tomb), which is the beggining of the sequel.
I thought that he might be a direct bastard descendent of Wraithwall myself.
@@propheinx2250 Nah, he was just lost in vengeance the same way Ashe was, that's what made them being so easy to manipulate by the Occuria, and that's why Vaan stopped seeing the ghost after the scene he had with Ashe in Jahara
@@KayderimGameplays I’m glad you pointed that out, Dartigan always doesn’t notice the details and automatically think the game is bad and you have to roll with it just like that
"You need to be forgotten by the world to appreciate it."
That hurts since this is my second favorite game in the series. It really isn't as bad as you say tbh. I player both FF XII on PS2 when it came out and later the remastered Zodiac version on PC. I still loved it. Sure, Vaan is a lousy main protagonist, but Fran and Balthier are the real MVPs in my book. Their relationship alone is more than enough reason for me to play this game to completion time and again.
Oof!
That is the point of those Video . He just nitpick all the irrelevant stuff for fun and count as sin
I didnt get from the video that "The game is bad", he just points out very obvious flaws and tropes. You gotta see and understand things more nuanced. Take my experience for example: I enjoyed playing most of the "game" that is ye olde PS2 FFXII. Altho I enjoyed it, I think he's right about almost everything he said concerning the gameplay. A game could almost always be better and more profoundly designed. And I, as the gamer/consumer, can enjoy something not so profoundly designed, something with flaws or even literal trash by all standards of judgement lol. While I enjoyed the gameplay, I hated the narrative execution. I liked the theme, I liked the setting and overall world design and found those to be compelling. I was intruiged by the cast, by the social roles they represented and the potentially interesting dynamics implicated by that group. Unfortunately, I was utterly disappointed by how little was done, narratively, to make me care about any of those. Sure, I also like the trope that Balthier represents. I like Fran for her accent, they have aestethically pleasant designs and it's nice to have a pair of mixed sex ("interracial") partners without them being framed as a romantic couple? To me, they are still too one sided and not "deep" or complex enough to feel like actual people. So I still couldnt give 2 shits about them dying or not. Honestly, at some point I was only able to (tragically) laugh at how underwhelmed I felt about every cutscene that conveyed emotions that I wasnt prepared to share. So. I like FF XII. It's always been one of my fav games. But I can hate it too. I understand the valid criticism from certain perspectives even when I dont share it (i mostly enjoyed the gambit system). I loved playing FFXII, but I personally would say it's objectively not a great game 😂 decent, yes. Solid, I guess. Enjoyable? Depends on your preferences and priorities. Could have been much better with little effort, which I find always unfortunate :-0
I agree with him on everything and i still love this game.
@@thelegendaryjanitor2008 The guy literally said you have to be going through a divorce and basically have depression to find any enjoyment in the game. He wasn't just nitpicking.
Even funnier regarding the Star Wars connection; the voice of Fran, Nicole Fantl, had an uncredited role in Attack Of The Clones.
This is the most underrated Final Fantasy in the series in my opinion, it did have some flaws and is not a 10/10 but this game deserves more love.
It's been getting a ton of more love since the Zodiac Age release. Go on sites like Reddit or Gamefaqs for example and you'll see that it's often in the top 3 of people's list for best FF
A lot of the game can be made better if you just use the Japanese voices...
@@aoeu256 really? this is one of those cases where I feel they went waaaaaay above and beyond for the dub. for one, none of that Vanille "sound exactly like your Japanese counterpart, anime sounds and all" garbage. I dunno, I forget this even has Japanese va's I've ONLY listened to the English ones because I felt the perfectly captured the vibe the game wanted for Ivalice.
Yeah! dude this was the first ff Game i played when i was 9
As someone who typically goes for "intended meaning" and "immersion" dubs...this is an exception.
Considering the medieval theme and they got ACTUAL Shakespearean actors for this...this dub is perfect 👌 One of, if not the ONLY Final Fantasy dub I'll say that for haha
Disclaimer: A lot of my love for FFXII is based on nostalgia and I recognize it has a lot of problems. That said, these are the issues I had with the sins in this video:
7:06 Vayne forcefully removed the Senate after framing them and usurped power. It's possible that Arcadia's leader was chosen democratically prior to Vayne's rise to power.
10:16 It's plausible Vaan never saw viera while growing up in the huge city of Rabanastre. Just because two viera were in the opening cutscene doesn't mean there are a bunch of them running around. And even if Vaan had seen a viera before, they're a very small minority and foreign to urban environments, so it makes sense that Vaan would be curious when seeing Fran up close.
12:27 Gabranth was facing away from Vaan and Balthier's perspective, they wouldn't have been able to see he had the same face as Basch. And the conversation between Gabranth and Basch didn't explicitly make clear that Gabranth faked being Basch and framed him as a traitor.
17:35 This sin is technically valid in Zodiac Age where the devs updated Larsa to use Magicks, but in the original, Larsa never used any.
20:04 I genuinely don't understand this sin. "Wasted all of your Myst bars"? Early-to mid game Espers only take one or two out of the three maximum Myst bars a single party member can have, and Quickenings often consume all Myst bars of every member in your party if you chain them for big damage. And the Espers are extremely powerful for when you unlock them in the game. Yes, the summon is undone if the summoner is knocked out, but... just heal up if the summoner is low on health? And control the Esper (a feature that came with Zodiac Age) to be closer to enemies so it aggroes them, and you can even cast Decoy on most of the Espers to make sure they tank the damage. Its big flashy attack isn't the only reason to use it; it's a dominating presence when on the field too.
21:16 The Death Star fell to a design flaw (at the time the original game was released before Rogue One retconned it). The Leviathan fell to Ghis' hubris, doing something unconventional with a magic rock that overloaded his ship.
25:01 Maybe Fran wouldn't take offense, but that doesn't change that Vaan's question was pretty inane considering he set it up like a serious question. And the rest of them are humes, so their sensibilities still stand to consider directly asking a woman her age to be rude.
27:59 Destroying the Dawn Shard would embolden Ashe to not rely on nethicite. Of course the Occuria would turn Ashe away from that notion to make her more malleable to using nethicite. It's not about the Dawn Shard in particular, it's about nethicite in general.
28:18 Bergan is pretty insane at this point, being drunk on the power of nethicite. So I can buy he'd go on a killing spree and make evil monologues. True the info should be secret for tactical reasons, but Bergan doesn't care, especially since he's talking to people he's planning to kill.
32:46 Why and how would the party intentionally hide themselves? The Occuria did it. Plus they're powerful beings that seemed to transport them into different dimensions. It's not hard to believe they can make themselves and Ashe invisible to the party.
33:29 Putting fate into the hands of man sounds noble on paper, but it's at the expense of Vayne basically ruling the world, all the while scheming and killing. That seems pretty villainous to me.
33:55 They said "with the Sword of Kings," not the Treaty-Blade given to them by the Occuria. Granted, both of those can cut through nethicite to either destroy it or make new shards of it, but the Treaty-Blade was the Occuria's way of manipulating Ashe like "hey use this sweet sword we're gifting you to seize your dream". And she already had the Sword of Kings, so she could destroy nethicite anyways if she wanted. I see it as a symbolic gesture, like King Raithwall got the Sword of Kings, Ashe gets the Treaty-Blade and feels like she's on a divine mission from the gods, so she's more easily seduced into using nethicite.
37:42 This sin completely ignores that just a few minutes earlier, a few Imperial fighters engaged the Strahl to try and stop its approach. Plus the whole army is busy fighting the Resistance, they wouldn't pay much attention to some lone ship flying below the battle.
38:37 Yes, the group is a bigger threat than Gabranth right now. But when you're mad at your insubordinate for slighting you, I can buy that you'd want to kill him on the spot even if he's not the immediate threat.
39:37 They're identical twins, yes, but they also had different upbringings, life experiences, etc. It's possible they can develop different voices as little differences in their lives add up. Dante and Vergil are identical twins (well... not so identical anymore in DMC5, but see above argument and apply it to their physical appearance), but nobody complains about their voices being distinctly different from each other.
if you complete bloody palace with dante in DMC5, during his victory pose he flips his hair and in that moment dante looks like vergil
hair does amazing stuff like hiding my big forehead
@@Michael-bz8ml Vaan thinks Basch betrayed Rabanastre by killing their king and effectively dooming Rabanastre (and by extension, Vaan) to Imperial rule. Also, Vaan believes at this point in the story based on Reks' account that Basch was the one who mortally wounded Reks.
So Vaan is pretty mad.
Aah an apprentice of th3Birdman. How goes the training?
Thanks for this. It’s my second favorite entry after FFV. That said, I didn’t have the time to address all the questionable sins. Did enjoy the video either way!
Fun Sin Fact: The continents that this game and FF Tactics take place on, actually become the lands known as the Garlean Empire in FF14 and the these events become a famous play and ballad in that empire.
14 is an alternate take. the whole lores aren't compatible with eachother
Yeah, unfortunately it isn't an actual direct canon. FF12 is treated as semi-contempory with the events of FF14, and Tactics was a historical myth. In the actual FF12/Tactics, 12 came first and Tactics was something like 1000 years later after a significant amount of technology had been lost.
The characters in this game sound like they’re talking with stormtrooper helmets on.
I seem to recall it having a rather small budget.
@@propheinx2250 In fact the budget for FFXII was pretty solid, the bad sound came from a bad compression method that was needed as the DVD's were running out of space. Unfortunately they lost the uncompressed files and therefore had to work with the compressed files for the remaster.
@@narfd.8837 The remaster? Or the original? And is that pretty solid for most games? Or pretty solid for a square enix game?
Finally someone who on point xD
@@propheinx2250 we don't have exact numbers, but the rough estimate is 50 millions for the original. That is a lot for a PS2 game. The re-release "The Zodiac Job System" probably wasn't very expensive as it didn't really involve new assets. It basically just was a major rebalancing and reincarnation of already existing systems.
The Remaster as well has no concrete numbers, but it will probably have cost less than 10 million dollars to do with the rerecording of new orchestral music and the implementation of newer lighting and reflection tech being the most expensive singular points (usually). Although that last bit is just speculation on my part.
ALSO also... Ash is for sure the reason why Lightning happened.
there's 2 versions of this game I wish we could see in alt universes... A. the version where Basch was supposedly the main character and B. one where Vaan is still the main character BUUUUUUUT the original director stayed on and we got the altered (Vaan included) story we should've gotten. I'd love to have seen how these would've played out plotwise. A. Basch's game get's more focus on him and with no Vaan or Penelo, we get more of him and Gabranth. B. we see Vaan and maybe even Penelo get ACTUALLY incorporated into the effing story finally. both of these outcomes intrigue the hell out of me.
Vaan DID get his own game with him as the ACTUAL lead... it was a shame it ended up being an RTS/RPG hybrid sequel on the DS lol
@@martinde-serres8724 that's true. I wish I still had that game. it's wild that your main character needed a DS only sequel to actually be treated as the main character. I actually like Vaan to be honest but it's not his story at all, especially after his ordeal with Basch is solved.
Reks should have been the main character. He should have survived and been motivated and regret once he realized how he had been used. In FFXII, his testimony was used to condemn Basch and break what remained of his homeland's morale. One could see how these revelations would motivate a person. Reks could have done through a dynamic character arc as the story moved along. He'd also have way better motives to work with Ashe and Basch than Vaan.
Honestly, Pelano suffered the most during development for the game because most of the stuff for her that was planned ended up being cut out of the main story for the final version anyway.
I completed this game.....TWICE! In all seriousness though I love it, it's my favorite FF game. Yes the premise rips of Star Wars but the world, music and amount of content make the game for me.
I never knew a Discount Tidus actually existed until watching this video.
Actually, a discount Tidus and Zidane crossover lol
You mean Meg Ryan?
@@brutusjudas5842 Sorry I don't get it
Lol agreed. As annoying as Tidus was, he at least felt like the main character and the plot surrounded him and Yuna. But you can replace Vaan with just about anybody and the main story wouldn't be affected.
@@13anderst now hold on, zidane actually does stuff and has an actual role in ix. Vaan is basically the stupid guy they have to explain everything to so they can have legitimate explanations for what's going on for the audience.
"Rogueish thirty-somethings"
You're gonna laugh... Balthier is 23.
He was talking about Basch
@@KayderimGameplays Basch isn't rogue-ish, though. That description was 100% balthier.
Him explaining about the mmo auto-play scripts just reminds me of Dot hack’s party members in both IMOQ and G.U.
Trust me, if the dot hack franchise had the Gambit System, it would have been awesome.
I played through .Hack and I really enjoyed it, even if it was a bit tedious. Then I played FF12 and holy shit I could never go back to .Hack again. The gambit system is amazing.
Nice pfp😉
@@solandras666 i remember i wasted more time surfing the forum than playing the actual game itself
I love this game so fucking much. This is the reason why i started learning english when i was a kid in a third-world country, where almost every one didnt know what Final Fantasy was. The animation was beautiful, so innovative for that time (i was like 10yo). But i never finished it, because, of course, my game wasnt original, so the CD had this problem where the game would stop in the same exact part, everytime. Now that im 20yo, i bought the remastered PS4 one and could understand it entirely, i smoked a joint every night and just play for 8 hours, level up, explore everything, do the side quests, easter eggs, etc. Thank you for doing this video years after the game came out, you brought such beautiful memories!
Well from what I remember from years this game had a troubled development since the original director, Yasumi Matsuno, left due to a illness. rumors says he there was a lot of problems with him and the rest of team but this is why its set in Ivalice and why there are so many similar elements in FF XII and Tactics.
I do remember hearing this, that the game was supposed to have airships combat and there is some credence to that considering airships were named after FF summons as the actual summons have completely new names (at least for Final Fantasy main series) and I think the fast travel points were original meant to be the point were you could board the airship but all of that was cut.
None of this is a excuse, its a very flawed game likely because of Yasumi Matsuno departure as well the rumored issues he had with the rest of the team that forced Square to get someone in to just finish the game and since game development is not linear this likely caused a mix-match of areas that were at least well into production and areas that had to be done from scratch with a likely deadlines on their heads, this game once hold the title of longest game in development and this was mid-late PS2 era.
i thought that i listened in the video, but here i understood, i didn't know about the change of the original director, that explains why the history was going to one path at start and later became a rollercoaster, mainly at the final part of the game, when playing i was expecting to see/play in Rozarrian capital too and another places, and understand more about that cold war, what didn't happen...
1:03 Fun fact, in FF XIV's Ivalice-themed raids they say Ashe and Rassler were twins.
Royalty loves its incest.
Basch was also Gabranth's father instead of brother. It was a new take entirely.
@@Valvadrix Yeah probably just a retelling or "alternate universe" versions of the characters.
@@Valvadrix Weird... why they didn't continue with that idea, the star wars plagiarism would be even stronger. And it's funny how star wars itself is already a plagiarism of samurai movies.
@@RRRRRRRRR33 by changing it to being a father son relation after the fact plays more into copying Star Wars since in the original movie Darth Vador wasn't of any relation
I think while the plot might be lackluster and cliche, the actual writing (down to sentence and word-level) is easily the best in any game I've ever played. Each sentence read like poetry with good voice acting to go with it.
Exactly! THIS is what Final Fantasy writing SHOULD be like.
No game in the series is as magical as this one.
You should try Trails games if you think this writing is good
@@Walamonga1313 i second that notion. I grew up on FF, FE and LOZ and I still love them, But Trails and XBC are my favorite series now.
Yes the prose is elegant and beautiful
I love the developers joked about who the main character is supposed to be in response to being forced to insert vhan. Hes likenintentionally useless to the party to prove a point. Imagine escaping prison as Basch getting to rabanastre. Penello helping Basch enter the palace to find ashe and bumping into Balthier.
When Ashe drop the dawn shard at gabranth feet, it started a boss fight. Cid picked it up after the boss fight was over.
I love the care you put into these videos. Always funny and well done. Been watching for years, you’ve really improved
People in the comments saying "there's a FF between X and XIII?", as XIII trilogy was even good to begin with it. Recently played XIII and that thing it's an absolute trainwreck.
there are actually 2 FF's between X and XIII, one of them being really great, the other being XII.
PFFT! It starts at VII then IX and X then XII(not even good) then XV.
Am I the only one that, jokes aside, like FFXII and Ivalice? XD
Also, although FFXIII was an expensive movie (didn't finish it because I found it boring af), FFXIII-2 was quite enjoyable. After what was the first game, the second one at least got rid of the absurd "game over" whenever the leader dies and it was actually fun. I can't talk about Lightning's Return because I haven't played it...
Easily the worst one. 12 was amazing. Way ahead of its time with the gambit system
Honestly, seeing how you make these Final Fantasy Videos you really, REALLY should put up Xenoblade Chronicles for vote.
Anyway, The Last of Us 2 next please.
Xenoblade chronicles 2 has more sins than the first one. So it'll be great to see him make video about it though.
I would say the Tales Of series deserves more sins videos than the xenoblade series
35:17 lmao imagine not using libra for the entirety of the game and then put up footage that hints that traps are unfair
I finally got around to playing this when Zodiac Age came out and liked it way more than I thought I would. I bought Dragon Quest 8 just to get the demo back in the day and ended up never playing the full game.
the Zodiac age is the systesis of the original and the International Zodiac (especially now that they went around to patch it on al platforms). the original suffers from tecnical limitation and bad design choises, like having the esper non scale with the summoners, which made most of them useless even in the story
"There are some places the airship can't fly over for some reason".
It's called territorial airspace, Dartigan.
You should fly a plane over China. See what happens.
10:30 In all fairness, Vaan wouldn't recognise ashe because he was a beggar-thief that probably never bothered with politics until after the empire conquered dalmasca. Balthier and Fran, on the other hand, are both foreigners.
I have fond memories of this game, especially of ashe's ass..........pirations to help her people
It's a cartoon man... how can you be aroused with a polygonal "ass"?
@@RRRRRRRRR33 To be fair, it was a very well done polyygonal ass
@@RRRRRRRRR33 Good ass is still a good ass
"Are you SURE you're playing as the good guys"?
Actually, no- you aren't.
It's something I began to figure out when they begin to collect as summons the boss characters from Tactics -
The entire time in FFXII you've been manipulated by the Occuria in an effort to bring them back the power and influence they lost when the empire grew. Venat may have thought he was trying to free the world from tyranny but instead ended up having his prodigy run out of control.
This game was never about simple good and evil, right and wrong.
Do you crave peace under the chains of those who deny you freedom?
Or do you crave liberty under the knowing that you risk chaos?
It sets up Tactics by establishing the origins of the Church in that game and gives a glimpse into the exposure of the selfsame Gods you battle.
The first sin is frighteningly accurate to my time with this game.... Even down to the mortgage, two kids, a failing marriage and a job I hate.
I wasn't expecting depression when I came in to this video.
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"our hero everyone" lmao
I don't think I'll ever understand what people have to complain about regarding the Gambit system. It literally allows you to customize the AI of your allies to do exactly what you want them to do, when you want them to do. It automatizes the regular actions of the battle system, and encourages you to use a variety of skills, which is something that you usually wouldn't bother with in most RPGs because you wouldn't be arsed to navigate through menus and you'd just end up spamming Attack instead. It's the best middle ground between full manual control (which you can also still do, if you wished to) which ends up being spamming regular attacks, and fully automatized AI (like FF XIII) which will make you rage when they do the wrong action or cast the wrong spell. It allows the player to create the perfect strategy for each situation, which is a fantastic way of making the gameplay much more engaging.
There is no game out there, no other system that allows the player this much control over the ally AI, which is always something that will piss you off in difficult situations because the AI cannot be as smart as a human. The Gambits allow you to take full control and responsibility for the AI's actions. Everyone hates stupid ally AI. Here they give you the tools to build your perfect AI. And you don't like it? You'd rather manually select each action? You'd rather rely on the AI's good will to use the correct attacks for you (which would also feel far less satisfying) ? I don't get it.
The hate comes from the fact properly organized the gambit system can pretty much fight the game for you. There's capable AI and AI that carries you.
There’s a formula which I really like from the lead game designer of Civilization IV, which states that: a player’s total fun = number of meaningful decisions / the amount of time played.
It’s why games like Super Mario Bros., Devil May Cry, and earlier Final Fantasies have such dedicated followings-they require you to constantly make meaningful gameplay decisions over the course of only a few seconds, and based on a huge number of variables.
The problem with FFXII’s gambit system is that it is SO intuitive that it directly interferes with that formula. A decent setup allows you to run MOST of the game on auto-pilot, which takes away the fun because the player is not actually being required to do much of anything.
Now, you might ask: “why would anyone do that? If the gambits are ruining the experience then just don’t use them.”
And that’s a fair point, but the reason why so many people resort to this is because many players-myself included-are JUST NOT INTERESTED in the gameplay; we’re there to enjoy the STORY, and we see the gameplay as banal and little more than an OBSTACLE that we simply need to overcome in order to get to the next story section.
In other words, we take the path of least resistance because we’re here to enjoy the story-we don’t care about the gameplay because MMO-style combat just doesn’t appeal to us (we find it boring to be quite honest). Thus, we turn to the gambits in order to make the gameplay easier so that we can just get to the story sections as quickly and efficiently as possible.
The problem is that there are just TOO MANY enemies in the game. The combat loses all sense of impact because no matter how many enemies you fight, there are still going to be thousands more right around the corner. The levels are just TOO DAMN LONG. I tried playing the game a few months back, and it was one of the most boring gaming experiences I’ve had in a long time for the reasons listed above. I eventually gave up and stopped playing after I had reached the Giruvegan (Great Crystal), because not only was the gameplay repetitive and tedious, but the cutscenes were so sparsely distributed that I’d completely lost interest in the story altogether.
None of this is to say that you are wrong for enjoying the game; all the more power to you. I am simply trying to explain WHY some people, like me, find this game to be so boring.
I'd rather manually select their actions.
Or that they weren't there.
I do not want AI companions.
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They're either frustratingly useless/harmful to the player OR they're so good that the player is superfluous.
In FFXII they're both.
Badly setup gambits and they're a pain. Well setup gambits and the game plays itself. Neither of these is fun.
Ty. This was the best ff imo
@@clothar23 For trash mobs, yeah, but for bosses / marks and any difficult enemy you'll get your ass handed if you rely only on gambits, unless you're overleveld as hell.
And in this game, for the A.I to carry you, you'll need to program it, so it still depends on you
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So that's where the makers of Darling in the Franxx got their inspiration from.
“Feels like CSPAN sponsored an RPG.” 😂😂😂
I'm only three minutes in and I'm already goin', "Stop! Stop! He's already dead!"
You are SAVAGE in this one, Dart! LOL!
I'd like to see both the last of us 2 and dragon age: Inquisition
And I'd like to see some goddamn Dragon Age 4 news.
@@sirocco2810 Hey at least EA confirmed it's happening
Sirocco Oh, come on, BioWare don't deserve a cent after fucking up 2 DA games in a row. Actually, DA2 was great, but it felt fucked up and looked raw. Inquisition was just a disaster. And let's not talk about mediocre but ambitious Andromeda. And then there is Anthem 76.
So yeah, fuck BioWare and their games, enough is enough.
@@adaptorperish1322 I thought Inquisition was awesome
And yes, I have played origins and DA2, they're awesome as well.
Well, even though this is my favourite game in the series for just personal reasons I really enjoyed this video
yeah FF12 is my favourite of the series (can you tell by my pfp?) but i loved this video.
people take this shit so seriously lol. games have flaws, and some pretty big ones, and loving a game doesn't make it perfect
Hannah Beverley it’s the combat system and art style I like the most personally I’d have had Basch be the main character as originally planned
Just because you like the game doesn't automatically mean you have to dislike this video. If that was true then I wouldn't have liked his KH vids.
Underrated ff game in my book. I actually liked the story. Was slow in the beginning though not gonna lie.
@@burntgrahamcracker2866 I actually didn't know that Basch was supposed to be the main character. I wonder how different it would have been
Me: Interesting video
Also Me: Goes to PS Store to finally buy FFXII: The Zodiac Age before I forget again
It's a good buy, a personal favourite of mine. The party instructions are sort of primitive programming but not using them is actually much too complex to keep up with and it's sort of satisfying to watch the game play out your little programs.
Agree with most of the sins, but still like the game. Beat it when I was a kid miraculously...but just like kirito from sao abridged said. "Funny thing is, if you get your numbers high enough, you're practically invincible." Or something to that effect. Never beat any of the optional bosses though. Especially that asshat with what I assume is the largest number ever imagine as an HP pool.
Oh boy the feel when i finally defeat that bit*h was so damn good. Took me 4 Hour non stop to beat that dragon in the original. And never wanna do it again NEVER.
I actually love this game a lot, it is my favourite game of all time
9:58 Ahhhh imagine sitting right behind her then while riding the hoover bike. Ooooh man that would be the greatest dangerous situation that I will ever have.
34:00 No, the Sword of Kings, which they got from the Stillshrine of Miriam can destroy the Suncryst. The Treaty Blade Ashe got from the Occuria in Giruvegan can cut new pieces of Nethicite from the Suncryst. They are two separate blades altogether. You either didn’t play this game at all, or you just paid really poor attention to it.
The plot gave up near the end and after slogging trough all the bullshit in the 20 min prior to that point I’d probably over look or misinterpret the difference in swords, also he literally streamed himself playing this game bro tune in and voice your grievances
@@LordFerpez I saw the stream, he had his blackmage attacking the entire game and by the end of the game, Basch was using an armor that you buy from Jahara.. And he did made some mistakes in the video, like saying that the old man told Vaan to take the sword to Basch, when in truth it was to Vossler
4:45 Vaan's little relevance to the plot comes from the fact that he was a last minute addition by production's executive meddling, who wanted a young character in order to attract kids into the game's demographic. It was initially planned that Basch would be the main protagonist.
Ashe is Lightning
Larsa is a female.
We need a Fran spin off.
Her model reminded me of Yuna but with Gray hair.
RABTOONS nailed this game with Penelo being a cardboard cutout the entire video.
Ashe is more a Rikku whit Grey hair
Larsa is actually a boy. He's just very posh.
@@Zero.X Rikku has a rather childish and energetic personality. Ashe is definitely closer to a hybrid between Yuna and Lightning, having the "proper princess" side of Yuna, and a bit of the more action oriented, hands-on side of lightning.
Larsa is not only a very posh boy, he's a very posh teenage emo boy, which is why he might come across as somewhat "effeminate" or some such.
And I could only see a "Fran spin-off" being interesting if it's rated R :-)
Actually the most forgotten Final Fantasy game of history was Final Fantasy XI. Nice video, though ✌🏻
Welcome to Final Fantasy XII, a Star Wars story.
I liked the game!!! I thought it was really good actually 😅
This whole channel is to just sarcastically poke fun at video games. It’s not meant to be taken seriously. And Final Fantasy 12 is among the best entries in the entire series
We all have that bad game we enjoy lol
Correct, but FF 12 its not a bad game, actually, it's one of the best in the franchise.
The funny thing is it's my favorite Final Fantasy game and I've played 4 or 5 times now to 100% and still love it.
This is actually one of the Final Fantasy games I had most fun playing, the gameplay is very good despite the confusing plot.
I LOVE this game so much. It's my favourite FF title.
I had a ton of fun on the first playthrough but mainly with the Hunts, and less so with the main story.
While it's not the greatest of final fantasy titles I really liked it. The atmosphere at times reminded me of IX which is one of my two favorites (the other one being VIII another one that isn't as appreciated)
It's wild because I played this when I was like 7 and now almost a decade and a half later with Zodiac Age I remember so many little things despite only playing it the once before.
Man I love this game.
I think I was so checked out while playing this game that I didn’t notice that Reks had been stabbed. I was so confused about why he died. Only watching the scene years later on UA-cam did I finally see the knife. I can’t remember how far I got in this game, but it was something close to barely halfway. I can’t remember the last time I was so bored and annoyed while playing a game. Was that just me? You normally make jokes for these sin videos, but most of what you said was spot on. Was it just me? Around the point I stopped playing I was so mad I’d wasted money and time on this game.
I just want to say after all these years since this game came out, THANK YOU for pointing out that Vaan was never the lead character and it was rather clear the exact three mentioned were likely meant to be, especially Bathier. In the few times I've had a conversation about this game, I felt like a madman explaining that. Sweet, sweet vindication all these years later...
Also, love your videos and glad to see you back!
How did you not mention that 80% of the game is LITERALLY running through deserts and 10% is running through other HUGE but absolutely super-boring areas? Omg...
Because 80% of the game is not running through deserts. If you're talking about 100% of the content, there are plenty of variations in those 90% including mines, forests, tombs, fog infested mountains and 10% super boring areas.
He didn't mention it because it's not true. In fact, he not only praised some of the locations for being quite impressive, but you can see that there's lots of variety from this video alone.
Still my favorite FF game, but yea all points are valid. I still had more fun than most of the other FF games.
I still love this game, was my first FF, and because of it, i went to a journey to play almost all FF
Me too, it was the first FF that I ever played. After that I sought out others and moved to FF10, which was quite a let-down to me
Ben Onyido FFX is much better than this game...lmao
@@beno1129 oh wow..
so it's NOT just me... I eventually got to ffx after this and I couldn't do it. I couldn't really into it. I hated almost every character. I'd rather have FFXII's lame inconsequential people like vaan than idiots like Tidus lol. that cast actively bothered me. I liked the game play and music tho.
@@zerobeat032 Yeah, FFX has good gameplay but Tidus is irritating. At least Vaan is a likeable person.
@@LEWIS1992 knowing what I know now about FFX... I think a HUGE problem was the voice acting. except Lulu, nothing can save my hatred of her lol. sucks that I don't like most of the cast tho cause I looked into the actual story and it's REALLY good IMO.
Bro are you following my life? I played the game when I was a teen, never finished it, then beat it almost exactly 12 years later! WTF!?
Same as me. Started it age 14, never finished it and later beat it at age 21
games like this stump us as children, but stay in our minds unfinished til we finish it. it was like that for me and Phantasy star 4 for sega genesis.
For me it was the original Resident Evil 3 on PS1, I could never quite finish it as a young un but over a decade later a wave of nostalgia hit and I got the job done on PC
I'm suddenly sad that I loved this game and its story at the age of twelve, only for barely anyone to talk about it, even six years later. I remember being young and having to piece everything together myself on the PS2. One of ny favourite games of all time - to this day.
I fail to see how looking like a gay Aladdin is a sin, sir.
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**scuffed aladdin**
My brother and I called Vaan "Fish Ryan" cause it looked like meg Ryan and a carp had a terrible transporter accident.
I think this game was intended to have a much different plot. But with it's troubled development that lead to it's director leaving mid-development, they had to scramble a story quickly, which is why it's just A New Hope: Big Bunny Ass Cut.
Dartigan: Wiegraf was such a huge pain in the ass I had to replay the entire game because my only save was right before fighting him.
Me too, man. I'm glad I'm not the only one who went through that hell.
I still can only beat Wiegraf cheesing him. Dude is hard AF
@@ParanaHueTv Have you tried rolling in as Lancer/monk, or Ninja/monk? Something with a high speed and good melee DPS. Otherwise yeah, I gotta be waaay over leveled.
From some things I've read, Basch was actually supposed to be the main character of the game. However, they decided he was "too old" and thus unmarketable as the main hero. That's really the only reason for Vaan to exist... and Penelo... I think she only exists because Vaan needed some motivation. Though really, the whole thing is really stupid.
By the way, some of the most beloved FF characters are older. Auron from FF X is the perfect example than this. Yeah, Tidus was the main character in that but I don't know anyone who doesn't at least like Auron. You also have most of the Cid incarnations. The idea that older characters aren't "good enough" is stupid.
And wow this game's writing is horrendous! I feel like it's someone trying to plagiarize Shakespeare, but they only read the cliff notes or something.
Vaan also serves another purpose: He is suppose to be the audience insert. When the party does stuff, he's the one to ask the obvious questions so the rest can give exposition.
Haha, the writing is a bit off. I would like to say it's good for one reason, though; they stuck to it for the entire game, and this is a very heavy game in terms of text.
“The kid is talking to a rock” is honestly a great summary of Vaan as a character.
You forgot teleportation being blocked conviently by the "myst". Also, the "myst"
I'll throw this right out there and see if it's addressed: I played this on the PS4, but I gave up after Mt. Bur-Omisace because it seemed I had to just keep grinding to progress through the hordes of enemies, rather than just travel through at my own pace like I've been able to do in literally every other game I've ever played. I watched the rest on UA-cam. At least the story is good, and I enjoyed the gameplay that I did get to.
You only see Vayne a few times throughout the entire game before you have a final boss fight with him... and you're probably ROOTING for him through most of it until the out-of-left-field genocide attack plan at the end.
19:10 Even funnier, once you get to the end of the next dungeon, the Empire immediately contradicts the "airships can't fly in Jagd". Almost makes you wonder why you have an airship two hours into the game if the sky pirates can't make decent use of it. Seriously, airships are more relevant in a game where the hero is afraid of heights than a game where two of the main characters are sky pirates and the guy you're stuck with as "the" main character wants to be one.
20:24 Actually, he sees Reks' ghost, because the Occuria are hoping to use him as a backup in case Ashe doesn't come up to snuff (I don't know if that was stated in supplementary materials or not; I just got it off of TV Tropes). It's like they think he's a main character or something.
You keep calling it "Dust" Shard. It's "Dusk", as in as opposed to "Dawn".
24:39 Vaan doesn't learn by the time of Dissidia Opera Omnia. In fact, he probably becomes even dumber in this aspect, since at least here he realizes how awkward it is.
Honestly, I'm glad I didn't get to the "chops" part of the game. Or the final dungeon.
Not gonna lie I actually really love this game it's my favorite final fantasy since tactics even though this game has some major writing problems and characters that inherently aren't all that interesting I still loved almost everything about it from the bounty system to the new character building system in the new remaster so I guess I'm an outlier in that sense
The overall mechanics of the game are great, the remaster added some speed ups gimmicks that improves the whole gameplay cycle even more. Graphics are amazing considering the time of release. But that's it man, everything else is AWFUL, including the uninspiring soundtrack. Uematsu carried this weak franchise on his back. If we disregard the presentation and gameplay, instead focus on the storytelling and writing? The Final Fantasy franchise crumbles right there, these games rarely tell good stories. FF6 was the last coherent one, everything else is so shitty and over the top, anime nonsense as it finest.
What i like about this game is the music
@@RRRRRRRRR33 Wait, FF6 was the last coherent FF game? The rest were crappy over the top anime nonsense? I just don't see how the one where a clown attains godlike powers and destroys the world, just for the sake of destroying it, is less crappy and over the top than the rest. Its a bit weird, because its almost like you are trying to be a hipster by saying how over rated the FF franchise is, but at the same time, you seem to be implying that the best one, is one of the two most popular entries in the franchise. Not saying there is anything wrong with you having your own opinion, I just find it to be a very strange opinion.
@@ikeillue8385 the FF6 plot have a defined beginning, middle and a end. There's no multiverses, no time travel, no personality disorders, etc the story is simple and straight to the point, Terra (and Locke, and Celes) follows the classic hero journey, Kefka is a machiavellian antagonist, etc and your point about Kefka being ridiculous, yes he is, just like a edgelord drag queen with zero personality who wants to destroy the world because his space mamma said so. Or a witch "compressing time" because she has a grand political scheme, etc.. The only over the top moment in ff6 is related to the ghost train, but that on a visual standpoint only, because the whole afterlife theme fits well with the rest of the plot, also it follow the set rules of that particular universe. It's not like a planet (or mother nature) who defends itself through giant robots because japan. And lastly, Kefka is just like the joker, a destroyer, chaos is the norm, etc.. And he got crazy because magic corrupted him, and magic almost corrupted Celes and Terra as well. It follows a simple, but effective theme (instead of shamefully copying The Thing). Give me this effective archetype over any indolent anime who tries to be complex but fail at it spectacularly.
@@RRRRRRRRR33 same director did 12 and 6 too. He directed 6,9 and 12.
Notice how none of his games have a defined lead character and the one you think is supposed to be the lead is always a thief type.
Also a weird thing for twins... Edgar/Sabin, Basch/Gabranth
00:40 If you knew the method to find the best spear in the game early on, you could have completed the whole thing well before boredom set in.
I love the soundtrack for the game.
The lore of the items, enemies and civilizations are decently written and immersive enough to keep you feeling somewhat like you're in another world.
At least it felt that way when I played it when I was 12. 😂
40:25 "not rougish thirty somethings" actually Balthier is 22. It says that in the little game manual that's always in the PS2 game covers. Vaan is 17 (I think). Basch is over 30 though
Gotta say, I love XII and and I agree on most sins BUT
...The final boss music is beautiful! It screams Ivalice so much :)
Listen, I beat this game as a kid. I replayed it on ps4 like 3 years ago and beat it again. I still couldn't remember the ending of the game until you said it. This was my First Final Fantasy game, and it's the one that sold me on the series and made me go back to play 7 and 10, forward 13, dabble in 14's mmo, and 15. This was my favorite FF game, and yet I don't remember a damn thing about it lmao. Goes to show a lot about this game.
holy crap, I did not realize how closely the plot of this game resembles A New Hope, also I would have sinned some of the game mechanics, namely how the license boards work compared to the original, I honestly thought the new license boards were a mistake
I can here thinking this is gonna be bad since FF XII is my favorite final fantasy but you got me at " I haven't come across a fiction that rips off Star Wars this much since Eragon or The Force Awakens, The only difference is that this game's Chewbacca has a nicer ass "
I wonder when will you do ff type 0, sins just flying everywhere 🤣.
Regarding the intro explanation; that is your life situation? My compassion.
Loved the game, was a lot of fun to me, my biggest gripes were only how obscure some things were (like not opening certain chests before nabudis to get an easy zodiac spear) and how little input the game can require due to the gambit system.
For Sin 141, you say the Occuria gave Ashe a sword that can both cut new nethicite and destroy nethicite, but those are the actions of two different swords. The Treaty Blade cuts new shards, while the Sword Of Kings destroys them
I love this game. Was so happy when it got ported to the PS4.
I'm honestly surprised Dart didn't get into a Nolan North sin. Fun fact: Vossler's voice actor is Nolan North, future Nathan Drake 💯
Never understood the hate for this entry in the series. I loved it back then, and loved it just as much when playing through the Zodiac Age remaster
The trailer definitely made it seem more epic than it really was. Perhaps that led to some of the disappointment.
I won't call it hate, but I don't LIKE this game. But it comes from my love of FF as a whole. It's not a bad game, but just doesn't measure up as a FF game.
The story is, as Dartigan points out, just Star Wars, but slightly more interesting cause Magic > Force (Being that I hate Sci-fi, too)
The battle system is... Awkward. I DO like Gambits, as being able to code your allies to do things means a lot for someone who loves strategies like myself, but don't have the reflexes to pull them off. Too bad only a couple of fights were actually worth using them properly though...
While I'm on the topic of Gambits, License Board. It's terrible. Just a cheap version of the Sphere Grid. Where the Sphere Grid ultimately gave you complete freedom to make the game as hard or easy as you wanted by how many (If any) of its abilities and stat gains you unlocked, the License Board is something FAR worse. Where the Sphere Grid could be called tedious (I would NOT blame you for that either), the License Board is, instead, boring. You have not only abilities, but ARMOR and WEAPONS locked behind 'licenses', so even if you get a really cool and rare equip, nope, you can't wear that cause you don't have the 'license' for it. I may not always have the patience for the SG, but I most assuredly don't appreciate being slapped in the hand and told I can't use a piece of gear or spell that I've EARNED just because the game says so. (It's a little different than say, ultimate or powerful gear that locked to specific jobs/characters)
The summons are... Underwhelming and pointless. Ultima is the last good one, and Zodiark is literally trash despite being the 'final' one. I HAAAAAAATE Zodiark, and literally stopped playing it because of him. The fight is needlessly long due to instant death mechanics (Because of course it is) and his main attack when you finally do get him he's just as useless as the rest, only he looks stupid too. Sure, he's stronger than most, but still not nearly as strong as a good chain of Quickenings.
The superboss is the third worst in the series. Yizmat isn't interesting. It's just a beast with a literal s!$% ton of HP. Superbosses are supposed to be difficult fights that require a game plan to walk into even if you're max level. Not damage sponges. And I don't even like his design either, the Weapon look actually worked better in 2D with Atma/Ultima weapon from 6. The only superbosses I've seen in the games that's worse is Long Gui (13: It's merely an Adamantiose... that wrecks your face even if you know what you're doing.) and Ozma (9: Literally just a pissed off tie-die rubber ball.).
Ultimately, again, it's not BAD. Just... It has a lot of games before it that were way better. And more unique. And, most importantly, more fun.
"I do not sleep, I dream"
Unless he means that he's constantly daydreaming, then you're sleeping. Dreaming happens during sleep after all.