Good video, I had it with a glass of milk to help with the dryness :) Just to toss in my humble suggestions on the game-play side: "when in doubt defend" "when in danger retreat earlier than you need to or it's too late" "do not push alone unless you know where almost every enemy tank is located" "know when to take a hit to get things moving, otherwise conserve and spend other team mates HP"
Thx for this analysis. Many people will downplay how much discipline makes or breaks gun marks. This is the proof that consistency is the most important factor.
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Nice video. I've already checked how the MoE was calculated some time ago (not sure if it wss 2 or 3 years ago). One thing that could be easily understand is that bad vehicles are easy to three mark, and "meta" vehicles are very hard to three mark. Today I have 48 vehicles with three marks, and I'm not a "real good" player. I'm an "average Joe" from Brazil, but with almost 9 years of gameplay (and 57% WR). We need more content creators like you. Based on facts and straight to the point.
Thanks for the kind words! Yes popular tanks (especially premiums) get played often by good players, even after they mark those tanks - which keeps the marks high. Less popular tech tree tanks are much easier to mark because when some one completes their grind, they are unlikely to keep playing that tank - so the mark average tends to contain many matches of people playing the vehicle with out all the top modules.
Average with a 57% WR yeah right! Average I believe is 48.5%. I personally got my 1st 3 mark this year and now have 3 tanks done. My WR is 51% and I'm not expecting to do more tanks any time soon.
I can think of two other reasons marks requirements could be affected. When a premium tank goes on sale the the average could go up or down depending on the caliber of player likely to buy it. Also I think the "Top of the Tree" selections each month would tend to change the value, usually down because if a tech tree tank line is introduced that is very good then the better players tend to grind it out right away.
Awesome lecture! Great presentation. Cute mr. potato. Do your marks of excellence during HOLIDAY OPS. You get toooooons of noob players who log in once a year to try to get some free tanks, they cant play, lower tiers, like 5-7 are farmoramas. During Holiday Ops you can earn Master badges and pump up your Marks, as the server average will go down due to hordes of noobs and not vehicle nerfs, so there is no need to "do it on the first day" or "wait 2-3 weeks". Just seal club the noobs :D
Great observation! A large influx of returning and new players will certainly drop the mark requirements as they dust off their rusty old vehicles in the garage.
"You're Probably Right About How MoE Works" :P This is why i tell the struggling players to just get another few shots in if they can and focus on that. If they can mark a tank, they can fully mark a tank usually.
I 3 marked the AMX 30B years ago when i used to exclusively play paper mediums. Took a year off the game and didnt touch the mediums, only played heavies for literally a year and a bit after coming back to the game. Jumped in the AMX 30B to see what would happen and did so bad that I was actually embarassed. Some guy messaged me after battle and started accusing me of paying to have my 30B 3 marked. Tried to explain to him the situation but he couldnt see past "noob", "bot", "Uninstall", "Dumbf*ck". So yeah. Thought I'd share.
I watched with a bowl of cereal. The dryness was crunchy. I had a tank I hadn't touched in months get a mark after one game with it... I think it was the Nashorn. This kinda helped explain why that happened.
3marked my 86% M44 artillery by playing 1 battle almost a month after artillery changes that brought the everloved stun mechanics while reducing overall damage. Releasing new and reworking old maps also have a slight effect when hevies get higher averages and lights / mediums drop. This due to every map getting more short distance heavy corridors. Namely - studzianki, sandriver, airfield and mountain pass.
I am absolutely more interested! I’m a free to play player and had no idea what I was doing when I first started playing but I started watching UA-cam videos about wot and how to play better. Coach’s corner is a review of a match of wot with both correct plays and flaws and having a seasoned veteran give their opinion on it is very valuable. I could specifically relate a lot to the plays shown in those videos and I can improve on my own game in that regard.
I have another tip you could add that you almost mentioned. The 100th game in the avg gets removed when you play a new game to replace it. Example, if your 100th game you did 0 damage. Newest game you go into and do 0 damage your mark average wont change at all. For you just replaced 0 with 0. If you have a live MoE calculator you can see these low avg games come up while you are playing. You will see you have to do little to no damage to keep your mark the same. So then you will know this is a match you have a change to replace a low score. Do decent in this match and it will increase your mark a lot.
Now and then, premium tanks are give out en-mass as rentals. For instance, I went from 78% to 97% on the Senlac in a single battle thanks to WG renting it out a while ago. Never had the 2nd mark on it.
@@13Disciple It was 2 years ago, WG rented it out on the EU server, and the 3rd mark requirement dropped way below the 2nd mark requirement for a week.
I did the "do not play after nerf" (for a month) trick when they nerfed artillery, and voila, three marks on every arty in my shed. Now they hate me even more! Seriously, that was a big balance change with a big drop in performance. I doubt that "normal" buffs or nerfs of real tanks will ever get to this level. So, perhaps, jumping from 90% to 95%+ will be possible but not from 80% or 95%.
Just came back to the game after a couple year break, and your video on credit earning/saving popped up. I got all tingly going "Holy shit, G is still around?!" So I clicked to see a newer vid and nope. G is dead. Sad. At least MAHOU still lives. I do hope one day I'll either get good enough to be in a top clam, or at least convince someone that my stats are just XVM camo :P
I'm not to the point where I'm trying to mark anything, but now I know what to plan and prepare for when I decide to try and earn some new fanciness for my favorite tanks. No mods so I've been clueless other than "do good a lot" Patience and consistency.... and apparently a lot of math, thanks for the details
Happy to provide the details for you. My recommendation is to start with tech tree tanks. Most good players move on after 3 marking, or simply grinding thru these tanks. Players working their way through the tech tree tend to keep the averages low because they are playing with stock tanks. Good Luck!! My first 3 mark was the M4A2E8 - the Easy 8!
next thing can haelp similar when tank is nerfed is when WG is renting the tank or some kind of new better accesibility of sertain peremium tank, where now a lots of new players are trying it, it will masively lover the expectatios for MoE
One of the times I can think of is Holiday gamb...*cough cough* loot boxes, when there is a fire storm of premium tanks hitting garages. Players with new to them premiums will play 20-30 battles to learn and enjoy their new toy. I try to avoid playing premiums at this time and wait for MOEs to adjust to the new data. Wait until after the new year to take up that favorite tier 8 cash maker again.
Too long since your last video. :) Your bush sniping one is a must. Now we just need one that gets rid of some of those potato matches... Was great seeing you at Aquino.
Tank Elite status in teamlist matters more now I think, because the enemies can see that at a glance at any given time before even visual contact has been made. Already been "prioritized target", singled out.
Overedited, but otherwise excellent video! I didnt know about the moving average as I thought I was just taking the average and call it a day. Things were learned!
According to my UA-cam research, this video was under-edited. I've been told you need to have things moving and changing every 4 seconds or you'll lose people to boredom!! You are a rare specimen indeed, I wish I could edit less to spit out more content. Maybe I'll find a happy medium ^.^
Key takeaway for me (major new knowledge) was the weighting of most recent battles. The slight lip movement/sound asynchronization in the tip ssection really had me doubting my own audio set up for a second.
it took me 600 games in one tank to hit the 2nd mark on it... it's currently the only tank in my account that has 2 marks. Been playing for 7 years. I think I'm just not cut out for 3 marking anything
There was a time when I felt this same way. I even felt this way after my first 3rd mark. I figured it was one and done. It is still a very challenging exercise for me, but at least now I believe it's mostly doable for tech tree tanks.
For your first moe, try the vk3001h, premium spam with 221 pen at tier 5,they're aint much you can't chew through. Just don't expect to make credits....
Awesome. Was expecting a “just do this” video but it turned out absolutely amazing and I wouldn’t have been able to explain it better. Unfortunately I broke that tip #2 in my 269e. Played one game after it got nerfed and mark went up from 88% to 93.61%. Had I waited another week I would if 3-marked it but I played… and played… and played… now I’m struggling to bring it back to 85%… GREEDY MUCH N3RV3?!? N3RV3. Btw. Come play advanced my dude, need your vibes.
haha, I'm not sure my Twitch channel can handle the vibes in advances LOL You were so close on that 279e!!! I did this in my progetto 65, boosted it up to ~91% and then played until I got the mark. It was a tough grind post nerf.
All these math is simply killing my brain cells. That is why I don't bother chasing after MoE. Just do your best for every single battle, be proactive instead of reactive. And learn to be a better teammate. And I will take a win by capture any other day than chase for damage.
I 3 marked the IS3 due to some weird glitch. The mark was sitting at like 71% or something and I hadnt played the tank for years. Had a mammoth game in the thing like 5.5k dmg and 1000 assisted or something and got the 3 mark. Was so confused.
@@13Disciple yes, but there's no better way to explain it simply. After all it is true that it only counts last 100 battles, just they're not equal. They had to go for some compromise.
I would mention the obvious strategy of avoiding taking as many tracking shots if you've already got 3k or 4k spots. Go for entirely spotting or tracking for your assist damage and your combined will be a lot better. If you've already got a bunch of spots, it's better to take a damaging shot than a tracking shot, even if it would grant you 1,000+ in tracking! Obviously, this is not the play to make if you're playing regularly, but I found it helped me a lot when getting marks.
I have a few tips. Follow videos about upcoming tanks. When you see that everyone is expecting that new tank is going to be OP do not try to mark it in the beginning if you are not unicum. Best players will get it in the first wave and they are hoing to mark it. They will do very good and inflate values needed for that tank. This is true for non OP tanks as well, but in lesser percentage. Namely, unicums that 3 mark every tank possible will mark it first. Though low tier and bad tanks will be less interesting for mire unicums. When you start having bad games, and you will no matter how good you are, try to understand why and act accordingly. Losing a game doesn't mean so much for MoE if your output was at the level of your normal ganes. But when RNG says no and suddenly you muss impossible shots play one more game and if samd is true stop playing that tank or stop playing that session all together. Even if you are winning but games are super fast and you are doing bad output numbers because you are in the slow tank, for example, stop making it a trend. Change tank. Having even two bad games in row is disaster especially when hunting for the third mark itself. Analyze why things are going wrong. It might be a network or some background update running that is negatively influencing game performance and that makes you think you are shooting and aiming properly but server is registering what he gets from your PC only. If that is slowed down and laggy your shots will hit away from thd pkace you have aimed at. For the example you pop behind a cirner shoot znd go back. You see your self shooting at the enemy but game shows you have hit the wall. Now you kniw it. Something is lagging. You can try adjusting your shooting or try to solve the issue. Find oug us it a server ir internet connection or is it your PC. If the former is yhe reason maybe stop that session. If your PC is the source, find out why. Run anti virus and anti malware software. Stop any unwanted backgroud processes. Finish updating. Stop any downloads. Make sure you have good ping and decent FPS. If your PC can't manage higher frame rates, lower the grafic options until you get good frame rates. Overall turn off things that will irritate you in game or prevent you from seeing whats going on actually. Maybe check some settings tutorial. Maybe the most important tip would be stop playing when you are irritated. You see game is always giving your team all the red players and that is bothering you, then stop that session. That shouldn't irritate you for so many reasons. MoE doesn't care win or lose that much. If teammates are bad more damage for you. Just do not overextend and get steamrolled. And the mist important thing: "Why you have to be mad Bro? Its only yhe game Bro!" Do not let yourself getting irritated. You should enjoy gaming not suffer while gaming. Wargaming has designed the game so you suffer and reach for your credit card to solve your suffering. There is better and cheaoer solution. Stop your sessions if pkaying is not satisfactory for you. Paying doesn't get you a win.
Very comprehensive breakdown. Yet I'm still having trouble understanding two things though (guess it's been too long since college match?) This shouldn't be remotely difficult at all but it is. K=2/101 is a constant thats fine, so how does the weighted multiplier affect the next match anymore than the previous one? Does it have to do with "CD" being the most variable? EXAMPLE: Game 1) EMA = 2,000 + 2/101 * (2,500-2,000) EMA = 2,009 Then next match everything is identical EXCEPT now pEMA is changed to 2009 so now Game 2) 2009 + 2/101 * (2,500-2009) EMA = 2018 The difference is almost exactly the same? The other problem that makes ZERO sense to me as how this function could be considered an exponential function. There is no number in the formula that is exponentiated (nothing in the parenthesis is to the ^nth power and it doesn't follow the f(x)=b^x structure that is standard for an exponential function). Im pretty confused lol Id love clarification. Thanks.
And this is why MoE is kinda stupid IMO. Imagine playing a light tank, and you spotted like 4k during the game, but in the late game you can't get more spot damage, because your team is advancing, so they can spot for themselves, and you also can't do damage for yourself, because you can't pen the enemy. Your only option would be to detrack them, so you can get more assisting damage, but it doesn't count to MoE. MoE should be bound to avg exp. I think, for this very specific reason. After all if you play a tank excellent, it doesn't necessary mean that you only can do damage with it.
I think just combining all assisted damage would be a nice change, but I understand this frustration. There's times where your play (like leading a push) helped the team to victory - but there's no simple way to measure such instances.
Currently I'm trying to mark Char Futur 4, bouncing around 92% right now. Unfortunately, none of your advices will work here cause it's a reward vehicle and it's not OP like Chieftain or 279e, so it's not likely it will be nerfed or buffed in the near future. The only factor which is possible that more players will claim this tank as a reward and they will massively suck :D
Even if there are no massive changes on the horizon, these tanks averages will fluctuate. Keep on on the tomato.gg expected values going into Holiday season. Many players return for Holiday Ops, and they tend to drop the averages when dusting off their old tanks.
Here's a pro tip: spam gold MoE is literally inflated by gold So you either play like you'd play for 100% MoE with standards Or pay up and play like everybody else
Great vid. What mod do you recommend to easily see the MoE progress, without taking over the whole interface (I like to play with a mostly undisturbed, stock UI)
The 2 I've used and am most familiar with is Protanki and Lebwa. I'm currently using the Lebwa tracker, you hardly notice it in battle if I'm honest. Hopefully that helps!
heavies vent,rammer,stab and slow as possible/meds slow as possible and stab,optics,rammer for open and vent,rammer,stab for city and other classes needs some fine tuning yet@@13Disciple
It seems to me every time I get a to about 81% the game gives me some terrible teams and terrible results for the next few dropping my average. Am I imagining this or can others see this.
I have no time to watch this right now. But I made tracking with exponential curve to moe3 when I marked Comet and T71 from zero (I played them in 2013) to see if I'm above or below. I was like 13th player on EU server (cause no one played comet) and my feeling was that when I aproached 95% moe, I was fighting against my own stats, because they were included. On the other hand I completely randomly two marked hwk30 when one (or few days) requirements dropped significantly and I have no explanation for that. Cause I guess I barely exceeded 80% a few times before. And it's quite interesting that while marking Comet was not easy, getting to 85% and even 90% was - getting to 85% was like 65 games from zero, getting to 90% was maybe 80 games and other 100 games was last five percent. But two marks on T-34-1 took some effort and I did not start at zero. So marking definitely depends on popularity and how tank suits your playstyle and if low/mid tier tank depends on an awesome crew - comet can be a decent scout.
I had this problem with the Pz 58 recently. Requirements increased by 50% after a few days because my games influenced the mark, and nobody was playing the tank on NA.
Not many people know the in game text is not accurate. The fact that it's an exponential moving average is likely new to them. I'm afraid this video likely didn't provide much value to you. Hopefully the next one might be better suited to your WoT journey.
i find i earn marks absolutely randomly i'll have smashing good games and then lose a horrible loss and get the mark.. rarely does it appear on the good round its always the moot crap round when its like here have a mark...
Good video, I had it with a glass of milk to help with the dryness :) Just to toss in my humble suggestions on the game-play side: "when in doubt defend" "when in danger retreat earlier than you need to or it's too late" "do not push alone unless you know where almost every enemy tank is located" "know when to take a hit to get things moving, otherwise conserve and spend other team mates HP"
All of these tips are great advice (and probably learned the hard way 😁 - at least they were for me)
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Thx for this analysis. Many people will downplay how much discipline makes or breaks gun marks. This is the proof that consistency is the most important factor.
Nice video.
I've already checked how the MoE was calculated some time ago (not sure if it wss 2 or 3 years ago).
One thing that could be easily understand is that bad vehicles are easy to three mark, and "meta" vehicles are very hard to three mark.
Today I have 48 vehicles with three marks, and I'm not a "real good" player. I'm an "average Joe" from Brazil, but with almost 9 years of gameplay (and 57% WR).
We need more content creators like you. Based on facts and straight to the point.
Thanks for the kind words! Yes popular tanks (especially premiums) get played often by good players, even after they mark those tanks - which keeps the marks high. Less popular tech tree tanks are much easier to mark because when some one completes their grind, they are unlikely to keep playing that tank - so the mark average tends to contain many matches of people playing the vehicle with out all the top modules.
Average with a 57% WR yeah right! Average I believe is 48.5%. I personally got my 1st 3 mark this year and now have 3 tanks done. My WR is 51% and I'm not expecting to do more tanks any time soon.
Finally I see the bigger picture about MOE. Great video btw. Really liked the tank transition and the white board.
I had a ton of fun learning how to do that transition. I'm happy you found the information interesting/useful.
I can think of two other reasons marks requirements could be affected. When a premium tank goes on sale the the average could go up or down depending on the caliber of player likely to buy it. Also I think the "Top of the Tree" selections each month would tend to change the value, usually down because if a tech tree tank line is introduced that is very good then the better players tend to grind it out right away.
ah! Top of the Tree!! There's a good tip! Maybe i should have tried to mark my Obj 140 😭
Im glad to see you in youtube once again. Amazing work with the video and good explanations.
Thank you so much 😀
I totally watched the whole thing!
Always nice to see an in-depth video.
Incredible MOE with R and ggplot2 to explain what must be met to achieve it. Thanks also for explaining how MOE is calculated! Keep up the good work!
I'm really pleased some one recognized R and R studio with the plots 😁
The code is on GitHub if you're ever interested in messing around with it.
I appreciate your hard work. Finding efficiencies in work efforts is a hobby of mine. Good job.
Thank you!
Is a tank becoming a free rental? Watch the average sink like a rock and play it at the end of that period.
I miss the weekend rentals from the weekly UA-cam videos on NA 😭😅
Awesome lecture! Great presentation. Cute mr. potato. Do your marks of excellence during HOLIDAY OPS. You get toooooons of noob players who log in once a year to try to get some free tanks, they cant play, lower tiers, like 5-7 are farmoramas. During Holiday Ops you can earn Master badges and pump up your Marks, as the server average will go down due to hordes of noobs and not vehicle nerfs, so there is no need to "do it on the first day" or "wait 2-3 weeks". Just seal club the noobs :D
Great observation! A large influx of returning and new players will certainly drop the mark requirements as they dust off their rusty old vehicles in the garage.
Before I start watching: YES! Finally another video from you ... awesome - like button clicked!🙂
Comments like this really motivate me to make more content. Thank you!
Fantastic information. Glad to see you posting again!
More to come!
"You're Probably Right About How MoE Works" :P This is why i tell the struggling players to just get another few shots in if they can and focus on that. If they can mark a tank, they can fully mark a tank usually.
I 3 marked the AMX 30B years ago when i used to exclusively play paper mediums. Took a year off the game and didnt touch the mediums, only played heavies for literally a year and a bit after coming back to the game. Jumped in the AMX 30B to see what would happen and did so bad that I was actually embarassed. Some guy messaged me after battle and started accusing me of paying to have my 30B 3 marked. Tried to explain to him the situation but he couldnt see past "noob", "bot", "Uninstall", "Dumbf*ck". So yeah. Thought I'd share.
We share this game with some lovely folks! I try to brush off those folks - they can't be reasoned with.
I watched with a bowl of cereal. The dryness was crunchy. I had a tank I hadn't touched in months get a mark after one game with it... I think it was the Nashorn. This kinda helped explain why that happened.
Sounds tastey! ^.^
Very good video, thank you for explaining!
Happy to be of service
3marked my 86% M44 artillery by playing 1 battle almost a month after artillery changes that brought the everloved stun mechanics while reducing overall damage.
Releasing new and reworking old maps also have a slight effect when hevies get higher averages and lights / mediums drop. This due to every map getting more short distance heavy corridors. Namely - studzianki, sandriver, airfield and mountain pass.
Great video, very well made. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
Glad to see a video from you! It’s been a while. Are you planning on doing any more coach’s corner videos soon?
Are you interested in more of that type of content? What specifically did you like about it?
I am absolutely more interested! I’m a free to play player and had no idea what I was doing when I first started playing but I started watching UA-cam videos about wot and how to play better. Coach’s corner is a review of a match of wot with both correct plays and flaws and having a seasoned veteran give their opinion on it is very valuable. I could specifically relate a lot to the plays shown in those videos and I can improve on my own game in that regard.
Awesome video. Thanks for your work!
My pleasure!
I have another tip you could add that you almost mentioned. The 100th game in the avg gets removed when you play a new game to replace it. Example, if your 100th game you did 0 damage. Newest game you go into and do 0 damage your mark average wont change at all. For you just replaced 0 with 0. If you have a live MoE calculator you can see these low avg games come up while you are playing. You will see you have to do little to no damage to keep your mark the same. So then you will know this is a match you have a change to replace a low score. Do decent in this match and it will increase your mark a lot.
Great summary!
Interesting. I knew mostly everything about MoE but I did not know that the most recent battles are more important out of 100 past battles.
I'm glad you learned something new ^.^
Now and then, premium tanks are give out en-mass as rentals. For instance, I went from 78% to 97% on the Senlac in a single battle thanks to WG renting it out a while ago. Never had the 2nd mark on it.
HOLY COW!! from 1 mark to 3?! Now that's a jump!
Did that big move confuse you, or did you sort of have an idea as to why it occured?
Senlac is a difficult tank to use effectively, that jump though was quite insane.
@@13Disciple It was 2 years ago, WG rented it out on the EU server, and the 3rd mark requirement dropped way below the 2nd mark requirement for a week.
I did the "do not play after nerf" (for a month) trick when they nerfed artillery, and voila, three marks on every arty in my shed. Now they hate me even more!
Seriously, that was a big balance change with a big drop in performance. I doubt that "normal" buffs or nerfs of real tanks will ever get to this level. So, perhaps, jumping from 90% to 95%+ will be possible but not from 80% or 95%.
Thanks 13D , Now if you could only explain crew XP.
Just came back to the game after a couple year break, and your video on credit earning/saving popped up. I got all tingly going "Holy shit, G is still around?!" So I clicked to see a newer vid and nope. G is dead. Sad. At least MAHOU still lives. I do hope one day I'll either get good enough to be in a top clam, or at least convince someone that my stats are just XVM camo :P
These tips were wonderful
Great video! Keep it up sir!
Note: Definitely stick around to the end!
Much appreciated!
I'm not to the point where I'm trying to mark anything, but now I know what to plan and prepare for when I decide to try and earn some new fanciness for my favorite tanks. No mods so I've been clueless other than "do good a lot"
Patience and consistency.... and apparently a lot of math, thanks for the details
Happy to provide the details for you. My recommendation is to start with tech tree tanks. Most good players move on after 3 marking, or simply grinding thru these tanks. Players working their way through the tech tree tend to keep the averages low because they are playing with stock tanks. Good Luck!! My first 3 mark was the M4A2E8 - the Easy 8!
holy shit, my name is Michael!
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Mine too 😊
next thing can haelp similar when tank is nerfed is when WG is renting the tank or some kind of new better accesibility of sertain peremium tank, where now a lots of new players are trying it, it will masively lover the expectatios for MoE
RENTALS!!! Now there's a great tip! I miss the freebie weekend rentals on NA 😭😭😭
One of the times I can think of is Holiday gamb...*cough cough* loot boxes, when there is a fire storm of premium tanks hitting garages. Players with new to them premiums will play 20-30 battles to learn and enjoy their new toy. I try to avoid playing premiums at this time and wait for MOEs to adjust to the new data. Wait until after the new year to take up that favorite tier 8 cash maker again.
Also. Please use this video to update your Twitch "How to bush snipe in under..." link.
Now there's a good idea! Remind me if I forget lol
😂😂😂 You got me on the floor laughing, when i skipped to the tips chapter 😂😂😂
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Too long since your last video. :) Your bush sniping one is a must. Now we just need one that gets rid of some of those potato matches... Was great seeing you at Aquino.
Great to see the numbers explained. I don't worry or track moe.
Thanks for the math behind moe.
Tank Elite status in teamlist matters more now I think, because the enemies can see that at a glance at any given time before even visual contact has been made. Already been "prioritized target", singled out.
huh, never even considered this. That would explain the extra artillery shells I've been seeing lately! 😭
Overedited, but otherwise excellent video! I didnt know about the moving average as I thought I was just taking the average and call it a day. Things were learned!
According to my UA-cam research, this video was under-edited. I've been told you need to have things moving and changing every 4 seconds or you'll lose people to boredom!! You are a rare specimen indeed, I wish I could edit less to spit out more content. Maybe I'll find a happy medium ^.^
@@13Disciple im 39 years old, that might have something to do with it :P
Super helpful 👌
Glad you think so!
Wow, what magnificent I formation. Take home message, you need to play well to 3 mark a tank...
banger video
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Key takeaway for me (major new knowledge) was the weighting of most recent battles.
The slight lip movement/sound asynchronization in the tip ssection really had me doubting my own audio set up for a second.
Just noticed that 🤔
Doesn't do that in my local copy. I'll have to investigate.
@@13Disciple just that last section. UA-cam is weird, I guess.
it took me 600 games in one tank to hit the 2nd mark on it... it's currently the only tank in my account that has 2 marks. Been playing for 7 years.
I think I'm just not cut out for 3 marking anything
There was a time when I felt this same way. I even felt this way after my first 3rd mark. I figured it was one and done. It is still a very challenging exercise for me, but at least now I believe it's mostly doable for tech tree tanks.
For your first moe, try the vk3001h, premium spam with 221 pen at tier 5,they're aint much you can't chew through. Just don't expect to make credits....
Awesome.
Was expecting a “just do this” video but it turned out absolutely amazing and I wouldn’t have been able to explain it better.
Unfortunately I broke that tip #2 in my 269e. Played one game after it got nerfed and mark went up from 88% to 93.61%. Had I waited another week I would if 3-marked it but I played… and played… and played… now I’m struggling to bring it back to 85%… GREEDY MUCH N3RV3?!?
N3RV3.
Btw. Come play advanced my dude, need your vibes.
haha, I'm not sure my Twitch channel can handle the vibes in advances LOL
You were so close on that 279e!!!
I did this in my progetto 65, boosted it up to ~91% and then played until I got the mark. It was a tough grind post nerf.
I’ve never played a single tank long enough in a row to get 3 marks
Except for T-1 heavy, I guess I marked it on accident lol
All these math is simply killing my brain cells. That is why I don't bother chasing after MoE. Just do your best for every single battle, be proactive instead of reactive. And learn to be a better teammate. And I will take a win by capture any other day than chase for damage.
I 3 marked the IS3 due to some weird glitch. The mark was sitting at like 71% or something and I hadnt played the tank for years. Had a mammoth game in the thing like 5.5k dmg and 1000 assisted or something and got the 3 mark. Was so confused.
It's because when MoE feature came out, you already fulfilled the percentage to be 95%. This also happened to my O-I Exp
Actually, I was right as I recently checked the formula. And TBH I approve of it. If it actually took 100 battles to erase one it would be terrible.
It's too bad the I'm game text sucks
@@13Disciple yes, but there's no better way to explain it simply. After all it is true that it only counts last 100 battles, just they're not equal. They had to go for some compromise.
I would mention the obvious strategy of avoiding taking as many tracking shots if you've already got 3k or 4k spots. Go for entirely spotting or tracking for your assist damage and your combined will be a lot better. If you've already got a bunch of spots, it's better to take a damaging shot than a tracking shot, even if it would grant you 1,000+ in tracking! Obviously, this is not the play to make if you're playing regularly, but I found it helped me a lot when getting marks.
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I have a few tips.
Follow videos about upcoming tanks.
When you see that everyone is expecting that new tank is going to be OP do not try to mark it in the beginning if you are not unicum. Best players will get it in the first wave and they are hoing to mark it. They will do very good and inflate values needed for that tank. This is true for non OP tanks as well, but in lesser percentage. Namely, unicums that 3 mark every tank possible will mark it first. Though low tier and bad tanks will be less interesting for mire unicums.
When you start having bad games, and you will no matter how good you are, try to understand why and act accordingly. Losing a game doesn't mean so much for MoE if your output was at the level of your normal ganes. But when RNG says no and suddenly you muss impossible shots play one more game and if samd is true stop playing that tank or stop playing that session all together. Even if you are winning but games are super fast and you are doing bad output numbers because you are in the slow tank, for example, stop making it a trend. Change tank. Having even two bad games in row is disaster especially when hunting for the third mark itself.
Analyze why things are going wrong. It might be a network or some background update running that is negatively influencing game performance and that makes you think you are shooting and aiming properly but server is registering what he gets from your PC only. If that is slowed down and laggy your shots will hit away from thd pkace you have aimed at. For the example you pop behind a cirner shoot znd go back. You see your self shooting at the enemy but game shows you have hit the wall. Now you kniw it. Something is lagging. You can try adjusting your shooting or try to solve the issue. Find oug us it a server ir internet connection or is it your PC. If the former is yhe reason maybe stop that session. If your PC is the source, find out why. Run anti virus and anti malware software. Stop any unwanted backgroud processes. Finish updating. Stop any downloads. Make sure you have good ping and decent FPS. If your PC can't manage higher frame rates, lower the grafic options until you get good frame rates.
Overall turn off things that will irritate you in game or prevent you from seeing whats going on actually. Maybe check some settings tutorial.
Maybe the most important tip would be stop playing when you are irritated.
You see game is always giving your team all the red players and that is bothering you, then stop that session. That shouldn't irritate you for so many reasons. MoE doesn't care win or lose that much. If teammates are bad more damage for you. Just do not overextend and get steamrolled. And the mist important thing: "Why you have to be mad Bro? Its only yhe game Bro!"
Do not let yourself getting irritated. You should enjoy gaming not suffer while gaming. Wargaming has designed the game so you suffer and reach for your credit card to solve your suffering. There is better and cheaoer solution. Stop your sessions if pkaying is not satisfactory for you. Paying doesn't get you a win.
Some excellent advice in this novella! ^.^
@13Disciple Wall of text 😀 Well, I am glad to see that it was not TLDR for at least a few people.
lol potato rate....I feel I'm like 80% potato rate :( jk great video bro
Thanks 😅
Very comprehensive breakdown. Yet I'm still having trouble understanding two things though (guess it's been too long since college match?) This shouldn't be remotely difficult at all but it is. K=2/101 is a constant thats fine, so how does the weighted multiplier affect the next match anymore than the previous one? Does it have to do with "CD" being the most variable?
EXAMPLE: Game 1) EMA = 2,000 + 2/101 * (2,500-2,000) EMA = 2,009 Then next match everything is identical EXCEPT now pEMA is changed to 2009 so now Game 2) 2009 + 2/101 * (2,500-2009) EMA = 2018 The difference is almost exactly the same?
The other problem that makes ZERO sense to me as how this function could be considered an exponential function. There is no number in the formula that is exponentiated (nothing in the parenthesis is to the ^nth power and it doesn't follow the f(x)=b^x structure that is standard for an exponential function). Im pretty confused lol Id love clarification. Thanks.
My brain hurts now…..
Take 2 Tylenol and fast forward to the tips part of the video 😁
Thx
And this is why MoE is kinda stupid IMO. Imagine playing a light tank, and you spotted like 4k during the game, but in the late game you can't get more spot damage, because your team is advancing, so they can spot for themselves, and you also can't do damage for yourself, because you can't pen the enemy. Your only option would be to detrack them, so you can get more assisting damage, but it doesn't count to MoE. MoE should be bound to avg exp. I think, for this very specific reason. After all if you play a tank excellent, it doesn't necessary mean that you only can do damage with it.
I think just combining all assisted damage would be a nice change, but I understand this frustration. There's times where your play (like leading a push) helped the team to victory - but there's no simple way to measure such instances.
Currently I'm trying to mark Char Futur 4, bouncing around 92% right now. Unfortunately, none of your advices will work here cause it's a reward vehicle and it's not OP like Chieftain or 279e, so it's not likely it will be nerfed or buffed in the near future. The only factor which is possible that more players will claim this tank as a reward and they will massively suck :D
Even if there are no massive changes on the horizon, these tanks averages will fluctuate. Keep on on the tomato.gg expected values going into Holiday season. Many players return for Holiday Ops, and they tend to drop the averages when dusting off their old tanks.
@@13Disciple yeah, but Holiday Season is one giant monkey fest so it could be even harder to mark during that time :)
hey man, I just wanted to say that I've done it! I marked Char Futur 4, my highest tier with 3 marks :D Thanks for your advice!@@13Disciple
Here's a pro tip: spam gold
MoE is literally inflated by gold
So you either play like you'd play for 100% MoE with standards
Or pay up and play like everybody else
Great vid. What mod do you recommend to easily see the MoE progress, without taking over the whole interface (I like to play with a mostly undisturbed, stock UI)
The 2 I've used and am most familiar with is Protanki and Lebwa. I'm currently using the Lebwa tracker, you hardly notice it in battle if I'm honest. Hopefully that helps!
@@13Disciple seems like ledwa is RU / EU centric. I'll try Protanki.
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nice vid but what comes to skillindex,i ended up making my own set what suits me even better
That's really the best way to optimize. The index is a great starting point.
heavies vent,rammer,stab and slow as possible/meds slow as possible and stab,optics,rammer for open and vent,rammer,stab for city and other classes needs some fine tuning yet@@13Disciple
"months" 😂😂😂
ok, so it was nearly a year - I stand by my choice to re-film the ending 😅
Huh? What? In non engineer mode WTF you talking about 13.......
oh man i am less than 3min in and my head hurts
Take 2 Tylenol and skip to the graphs. If your head still hurts, then skip to the tips. ^.^
It seems to me every time I get a to about 81% the game gives me some terrible teams and terrible results for the next few dropping my average. Am I imagining this or can others see this.
my thing is broken it just says 100% moe
ok, how about any tips that make you better at the game rather than getting some phoany/scummy way of acquiring your marks?
I have more videos planned, but you can start here -> ua-cam.com/video/Pnbvdx6GXEw/v-deo.html
Maybe I'm just wrong about math 😂
been there before 😅
This is why you are 13 and not 12 or 14!
I have no time to watch this right now. But I made tracking with exponential curve to moe3 when I marked Comet and T71 from zero (I played them in 2013) to see if I'm above or below. I was like 13th player on EU server (cause no one played comet) and my feeling was that when I aproached 95% moe, I was fighting against my own stats, because they were included.
On the other hand I completely randomly two marked hwk30 when one (or few days) requirements dropped significantly and I have no explanation for that. Cause I guess I barely exceeded 80% a few times before.
And it's quite interesting that while marking Comet was not easy, getting to 85% and even 90% was - getting to 85% was like 65 games from zero, getting to 90% was maybe 80 games and other 100 games was last five percent. But two marks on T-34-1 took some effort and I did not start at zero. So marking definitely depends on popularity and how tank suits your playstyle and if low/mid tier tank depends on an awesome crew - comet can be a decent scout.
I have no time to read your comment.
I had this problem with the Pz 58 recently. Requirements increased by 50% after a few days because my games influenced the mark, and nobody was playing the tank on NA.
I don't think this gave any new information to any person with reasonable math skills
Not many people know the in game text is not accurate. The fact that it's an exponential moving average is likely new to them. I'm afraid this video likely didn't provide much value to you. Hopefully the next one might be better suited to your WoT journey.
That is true, if you follow no streamers, that separation of tracking and spotting is a new information
I wanna flex
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i find i earn marks absolutely randomly i'll have smashing good games and then lose a horrible loss and get the mark.. rarely does it appear on the good round its always the moot crap round when its like here have a mark...
In short....get good noob.