I have reached out and am in contact with WG for a comment regarding the situation, Once they do I will put it in the pinned message here. WG response: Edit: worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/ban-wave-september-2024/
I'm assuming they will simply say something like "we'll look into it" and then nothing will happen, just like what they do to those game rigging situations
I actually met a guy who was cheating like that. I was chilling, platooning with members of a CC discord (won't say the name, it isn't relevant and the youtuber is great), and I came across a really cool guy. We were playing, having fun, laughing together, and he had very good results. That was weird because he had been playing the game for only a year and he was better than me with a decade of experience. I didn't pay much attention to it, but battle after battle he would get 5-6k on a Skorpion G. So I straight up asked him and he confessed. He was using this EXACT same method to cheat (he even screenshared everything to me). Safe to say that I haven't talked to him ever since and I have reported him. I haven't played the game for a few months, so I don't remember his username, but I might go back just to expose him to you guys. The worst thing is that he was doing that on the EU server for a year 6 months ago, so the plague has already spread.
So not only does wargaming gouge the fuck out of players for even a single premium vehicle, there's an untold number of individuals with possibly multiple accounts that are running around with game breaking mods? Glad I uninstalled, lololol
"he had very good results. That was weird because he had been playing the game for only a year and he was better than me with a decade of experience." Just fyi: having a decade of experience in WoT is just useless. A guy who is willing to LEARN the game and has good mentors as platoon mates can be a super unicum within a year.
@@thuering6229 I agree I agree, but the point here isn't about that. He told me he didn't really study the game. I had suspicions and like an idiot he proved me right. Don't react to the wrong thing here
This is actually nuts. Now we do have to take every "HEY! The guys was cheating" or "I got cheated" claims seriously. :/ And it will make soo many players more anxious about that. Even when players are not cheating, but they think enemy is (many false claims incoming). WG needs to react FAST... I mean they gonna have to be faster than a squirrel on espresso to fix that mess! Haiyaaaaa, this is bad.
And this will cause normies to stop playing if this happens often enough. So the share of the cheaters is increasing... Not good for a healthy game at all.
Naaah, all WG has to do is ban this mod and all others like it. After that the claim that someone is cheating will be just as laughable as it has always been. Claims are not problematic, its just the mod specifically
@@sir_vikingbeard5842 imagine when it's outed that WOT is a cheat itself...rigging battles so that people not paying are more hustled to buy products in order to have good matchmaking and rng. Also all those boosting companies are WOT subsidiary of cause. You can't expect players with THOUSANDS of 0 dmg games in a platoon of 3 not being caught by some anti cheat filter. They know about it and allow it. Have you ever heard of some cheater or thief in real life that did the same scheme thousands of times and got away with it ? it only happens when the authority is complicit. It will blow your mind like when you found out earth is not flat.
@@sir_vikingbeard5842 Not really difficult, everyone uses the same mod for the most part. They just don't always turn everything on. Where are they getting this mod from? I personally don't care much. Someone needs to do all that to beat me, so be it. Maybe someday people will listen when someone says 'stats don't matter' only to you. Stop fighting over them and play the game. Cheats only happen to 'prove' something. WG tried to stop this in the beginning. Took the top 3 mods being used and added them to the game. They said 'that's it, these three.' Players wanted the stats. Complained they couldn't use 'the mod' anymore and poof, now you can use it. Almost everyone does. This hack doesn't need someone else in on it. Just someone running the same mods. People seem to be paying for things to be done for them. This is why they're here. They are making money selling whatever it is they sell. A WN8 account. Marked tanks, or even the reward tank you grind for. Whomever is buying is the issue, not WG.
The funny thing is when your in a game and you call someone a cheat your team mates mock and tell you to get good, there's a'-lot more cheats then being shown, its only now people are starting to wake up so WG has to be seen to be reacting by this half assed fair play post lol, the game has been going down the drain for some time because WG only care about selling shit in the game nobody wants instead of making the game fun and fair for all, the game is trash. The minute this game is closed down i will laugh my ass off as will many other's I''m sure, just wait and see. Look at their other tank game (total flop)
2-3 months ago i did a reddit post after being killed pretty much like that, without being spotted. And the player that killed me went from having 5-600 dmg with Tier X, to have 4-5000 plus on every tank. The post got deleted for shaming.
If you could read, you'd know why your post got deleted. The only reason naming&shaming aren't allowed on the sub is because the sub would get deleted otherwise.
WG in 2014 gave me 2 strikes(189k subs) and banned me from making videos on WoT simply for mentioning the problem with bots in game. It's funny to see how in 2024 they turn a blind eye to the demonstration of such cheats in the game.
Такая же ситуация была в таркове, когда ru блогеров разрабы гнобили за любой намек на наличие проблемы читов в игре, а eu и usa поднимали эту тему в роликах, с демонстрацией видео этих самых читов - ноль реакции.
WG are similar to criminals, they take your money and afterwards they could not care less. Still we go on giving them money, they make a good game but fair or "random" is not part of it
@@Trxtrs а что тут удивительного? Когда население целой страны позволяет использовать себя как топливо для кровавой, агрессивной, неправедной войны с дичайшими мясными штурмами - почему кто-то ожидает к себе нормального отношения? Европейцы и американцы веками боролись за то, чтобы с ними не могли сделать тоже, что делают с "русскими". Не будьте безвольными амебами, чтобы ваши права не ущемляли.
Imagine if there was some kind of message board type thing, where the community could write comments and inform WG of these issues, we could call it a forum.
WG tends to look the other way with accounts (Whales) that spend thousands every year, sad but nothing we can do except go free to play for a year or more as a community.
This is very sad. I've been in this game since 2013 and these new chetas are just brutal. These cheaters can literally group up in platoons and completely ruin tons of matches. I've been progressively playing less and less and this is really bad news of WG can't put a stop to this somehow.
Wow. I'm so glad this is coming to light finally. About a year ago, I had to play against cheaters with this mod on NA. The game started with an ally e5 asking if anyone was marking their tank. At the time, I was around 93 or 94% on my CS-63 (can't remember exactly) so I said in the chat I was. For the entire rest of the game, 2 enemy arty shot at me no matter what I did. I ran redline and sat still for minutes where it was impossible to be shot, and the second I left cover I was instantly hit. I would also be driving unspotted near the back of the map and be getting directly hit. I knew it was 100% cheating (as even screen peeking would never be that accurate), yet no one ever believed me. I believe I have the replay somewhere if you'd like it Daki. I reported it to WG back then, yet nothing was ever done of it (I saw the players were playing even after WG "took appropriate measures" to my report.
that is the whole point - to find cracks and exploit the system. It is not about winning a game or improving stats.. for some it is about money but I believe mostly it is because "I can do that".
Because they don't know how to apply their talents in any other way. If they had jobs or healthy hobbies to spend their time on, they wouldn't be doing this.
As a professional cheater, who was making money with it, this is self-explanatory. I started to cheat out of fun (I was playing games where ruining game for others was a way to play), then for extreme in-game profits, quickly got eager to know how far I can push, pushed too far, understood I can offer CaaS. Now to answer those who think cheating is for natural omegas and loosers - well, I've seen this argument being made only by ones, lol. More often than not, my cheater colleagues were natural chads, but I'm pretty much not sure what average WoT cheater wants/looks like. As for my experience in WoT cheating, I did this for some months, it quickly became uninteresting - when cheats drop due to expired license or game update, and I'm lazy to install again - I notice you can no longer play without them, your brain refuses to do its thing. So yeah, use with care.
@@wwlb4970'professional cheater'. Jesus Christ, how sad. I don't know what's more pathetic, providing people with the ability to ruin games and other players enjoyment, or the people that suck so badly at video games in general the only way they can enjoy it is by exploiting the shit out of it and ruining other player's experience.
This cheat is brilliant, it collects information from someone on the opposite team, as Daki said, probably a bot playing arty, and calculates the exact position in "warpack" style based on the information provided by the "traitor". But being strictly technical, this cheat is basically someone on the opposite team spying on their own team. It's basically a "streamsnipe". Sure, the cheat allows for greater precision, but in the end of the day it's the classic traitor on the team.
@@vampirecount3880 If I were doing it, I would add this feature undocumented to some other popular cheats people install, so that when cheats spread around, I always have someone on opposing team spying for me and sending stats. Best way is fallen tree mod, which probably every artillery player has.
Exactly and thats why its (beside the visual representation on the cheaters end) nothing special and new 😅 because everyone could just run a second pc with one or more clients, hope for same match and opposite team and he would be good to go. Thanks to the opportunity of watching the game even after death
@@vampirecount3880 I will laugh so hard once it turns out the spy side code is in some popular legal mod many people use. That'd be brilliant. Spread, capture, dominate.
@@wwlb4970 I hadn't thought of that. The code could actually be in other mods, especially the legal and popular ones, so there wouldn't be any need to bother about inserting a spy bot in the match queue. Now I don't know if WG wouldn't be able to detect the code in approved mods, but it would be super easy to insert it on unofficial ones
@@KnockoutNico As Daki said, its easy to do in low pop servers. You wouldnt belive how many bots operated by cheaters exists on the NA server early in the day. Its easy to do when there are few people playing. Before the mod explained on this video existed, cheaters would farm bots by operating them on the enemy team, but they would just sit in the open while being farmed from across the map. It was super obvious. This new mod makes things easier for the cheater, no doubt.
Hi, I recently encountered a TVP that was blind-firing at me constantly, even when I changed bushes or sides of the map without being spotted or destroying any objects. Strangely enough, the enemy artillery was AFK, while both of our artillery units seemed to be controlled by the same person, as they were moving and shooting at the exact same time. Thanks for this video; it explains everything!
I've had that EXACT scenario happen! My teams arty were moving, aiming, and firing in unison. If one turned it's tank to the left they would both move to the left the exact same amount. I sent it to wargaming but have no way to tell what the results were from it.
@@itsgingervitis69 "My teams arty were moving, aiming, and firing in unison. If one turned it's tank to the left they would both move to the left the exact same amount." That's very unlikely to be suspicious. That happens to me like maybe a 1/5 of the time when I play artillery with other artillery present(FYI, i play all types of vehicles roughly the same). It's really simple, the number of positions that are good for arty to fire from is extremely limited on many maps, combined with the fact that if you don't move after firing, you invite yourself to get destroyed by counterbattery fire from any decent artyplayer like myself. Take that with the fact that arty's have very similar, very LONG reload times, and what you describe tends to happen simply because your're seeing artyplayers that are not incompetent.
"Hi, I recently encountered a TVP that was blind-firing at me constantly, even when I changed bushes or sides of the map without being spotted or destroying any objects." Yeah, seen that as well. Happened to me VERY blatantly once just a few weeks ago. One specific enemy fired at me every time i moved up behind bushes on hill, didn't fire at all when i was behind the cover of the hill, and always fired straight at me regardless me changing position all the time. I was destroyed without being spotted once. Had a heavy tank at the time so i blocked over 3k dmg in the process.
I think you are correct! Using SPG bots seems to be common nowadays, at least on Asia sever. I just made a similar post about SPGs... From the post: "I sent a replay of an obvious bot artillery game where we had 2(!) bot SPGs on our team (Looks funny when they act like one!) and some pictures of account info to WG. Result : Nothing! :) They where never platooned or so for rewards. Just bot Artillery accounts." GG!
@Dakillzor - I had a game very much like this. Same TD, same map same experience - and I made a ticket to WG. I referred to this UA-cam video to help investigate cheaters. All I got was a no good answer: "Please keep in mind that we do not manually punish players using forbidden modifications, our automatic system is taking care of this." Wargaming don't care about cheaters!!! Thx for your good videos, good work 👍👍
i never thought cheats were legit in WoT for ages, just unfair mods but nothing extreme like ESP ect. but this is concerning and making me question what i thought was possible.
@@deadzeddicious3684 ive personally have never seen legit ESP like this before, just the destructible objects mod and similar things. but stuff like wall hacks/ESP ect ive not seen in wot before, at least not on a grand scale.
@@evildarkeevildark5943 except we all know aimbot and it is about as "impactful" as tundra , which is next to nothing and only bad player lose their shits over it. You can setting you mouse sensitivity correctly and practice aiming overtime and boom you know achieve the same thing as "aimbot" 🙄
Thank You Daki for all this effort and time you put in the fight againts this evil. As the title of the video says, this could ruin WoT and i believe so. I myself wouldn't stick around if this cheating would get popular. So thank you and i hope this will be dealt with.
Very good and important video. I grew suspicious about something like that a few weeks ago. Clanmate and i played on Wadi, i was playing a TD and stood behind rocks close to the base. I know those bushes are often targets of blind shots, so i stayed behind the rocks. Our scout already cleared the mid bushes so i took a short peake. Bam onehit FV shot the moment i randomly peaked. Same a few minutes later with a teammate. He told me he wasn't spotted aswell. And then something like that occured a third time.. after the second guy got onehitted by the FV i grew suspicious and after the third one i was pretty sure there was something wrong. I messaged the FV player after the game and he told me it was just random blindshooting... well i didn't believe him because those 3 shots all were onehits on targets that were hidden behind cover and then shot after a short peak. He coulnd't have known the exact moment his enemies peaked. The first time i thought okay.. lucky. But 3 times in a row ? ...noway.
Yep same thing happening in a couple of my games on NA server, no blind fire misses, the shots would only come in the second a td tried to peak and none of us were getting spotted
This week something similar happened to me. I was playing in Mountain Pass, not even spotted once, and one single player was constantly blindshooting me every time i peeked, and i was never spotted for the entire time, in fact i was outside the spotting circle from his position. Playing in NA server.
I hate that people cheat on marks because I used to look at someone with 3 marks and know it was an accomplishment. Now I see them I just assume they are possibly a rigger. Those people devalued the very thing they wanted.
Part of the problem is that WG support doesn't actually bother to check replays most of the time. They are adamant that their anticheat works flawlessly.
They don't need to check replays. Writing an algoritme to find them should be simple for them. It's so basic, that anybody with basic knowledge of Excel could do it. People with a very high % of blind fire hits over many games are cheaters. You can be good at guessing the probable location of an opponent (just look at some games of Skill4ltu) but there are limits. Also players that go from being average for a long time to suddenly becoming excellent should be suspicious. There should be some learning curve. But it could be different players using the same account. So you need to be carefull with that. The problem is that it might be that WG actually removes these players. But the problem is that the cheater first need to cheat and they probably need to be cheating for several games for WG to draw conclusions. So it could be that this player already got removed.
OMG! thank you for mentioning the Asia server, we have a very low playerbase, 12k peak during events, these cheaters absolutely destroy games. a few years ago WG banned 1,500 accounts for using cheats/hacks, that's over 10% of the playerbase. i've been blindshotted so many times without ever being spotted even after swapping sides of the map in a light tank, i knew the player was cheating but had no way to prove it, thank you for bringing this to light so everyone can see.
@@uderzo1984 i live in Australia, i have 150+ ping to the Asia server as it is, the game would be unplayable connecting to any other region, we did for a short time have an Australian server but it never broke more than 1k players so WG got rid of it
WG need to add a program to their Sixth sense, that not only alerts the player they've been spotted, but they're being engaged by an enemy who is cheating, because they're engaged you without legitimately spotting you, or having an ally spot you. Then they provide you a means to drop your replay into them, so they can review the footage and take action against the cheater.
@@rocket2739 You can literally spend as much $ as you want to, it will not make you a better player. A 45% monkey that spent $10000 on the game will always still lose to a 60% player that has spent nothing on the game. This is not a mobile game where you can literally just buy power over another player. You cant buy positioning, awareness, game sense, knowledge on where to shoot and when to shoot or knowledge on every tank in the game stats. People that cry about P2W in this game have never played a real P2W game. Every advantage you can buy can also be gotten for free (good crews, prem ammo, prem consumable, better equipment) the game is the least pay 2 win than it has ever been.
@@CrimsonicStorm Watch out, you might overdose on this amount of copium. WoT has always been p2w. Less p2w than some garbage mobile cashgrab doesn't make WoT a not p2w game.
This explains a lot, I have had this happen to me a lot if im playing very late at night or early mornings, if you get hit with a blind shot,you think, maybe theyare just a good player, but when you have moved 6 times to reposition, and get hit every time, despite being in the open, and not in obvious bushes,its very suspicious.
i know this is a cheater video but i see noone talking about how toxic they was to the light tank. just think being him and getting shot without being spotted and then having people be so fucking toxic for it.
another YT channel featured a mod for arty where it calculates the trajectory and placement of the shot for you based on direction and speed tank is moving. There's been so many games where I'm doing 40+ in a light or med and get nailed many seconds after going dark. I guess there's always the chance for a lucky shot, but it happens too often for it to be luck. There's also the mod that has the laser pointers so you can see where enemy tank is currently aiming, obviously the unspotted tanks as well. I think these cheats are more common than most think, albeit it's still a small percentage of total population. If it becomes more apparent, time to stop spending money on the game until they address it. That's the only way to make them act.
I do pull off some worldie arty shots on quick enemies but with a low success rate overall - no cheats needed, I just got good (and lucky!) at leading the target. I also have many perfectly aimed shots at stationary enemies with arty, which miss very badly! The cheat options shown here blow my mind. They make the game very ugly to look at for a start - I couldn't play like that! If it was me that hit you with HE on the move, please accept my apology and GG ;)
A good start would be remove all the mods from the game, as a player that takes the game a little bit competitive in a healthy way the first thing I would love to is that every single player have the same game, idk why is legal to have extra features in game that are not downloaded by the game client.
Only losers complain about mods which dont give benefits in battle. Just get over it. Improve yourself. Dont search for excuses. You also dont say "He had this skin in counter strike, thats why he won. Unfair" Mods help improve the game. 80% of the game today comes from mods in the past. This is how devs safe money on ideas and developement. Get over it already. Dont be childish. If you want wot without mod, you should get a client from 2013 and try to do your own servers. Good luck.
@@dom3827 " Losers " 72k battles 55% winrate here. Btw skins in csgo/2 are a basic game feature and not external archives. Nowdays wot has implement in the game lot of the " fundamental mods " people used to instal. But just to give you an example, back on days you could use a mod that told you when you stop being spoted, and it wasnt a game feature, you had to put the mod in ur files.. and that mod was an small but very useful information that wasnt added in the game itself by the client so lot of players probably didnt even know that it exist, and you "could abuse" having a perfect timing over something that other players had to count by themselfs on the head. I always pref the games in which modding is ilegal at least in terms of pvp. Even if its just stupid skins or textures I think everyone must play and see the same thing when we are talking about competi. Incase you get triggered again just letting you know thats my humble opinion
@@dom3827 " Losers " 72k battles 55% winrate here. Btw skins in csgo/2 are a basic game feature and not external archives. Nowdays wot has implement lot of the " fundamental mods " people used to instal. But just to give you an example, back on days you could use a mod that told you when you stop being spoted, and it wasnt a game feature, you had to put the mod in ur files.. and that mod was an small but very useful information that wasnt added in the game itself by the client so lot of players probably didnt even know that it exist, and you "could abuse" having a perfect timing over something that other players had to count by themselfs on the head. I always pref the games in which modding is ilegal at least in terms of pvp. Even if its just stupid skins or textures I think everyone must play and see the same thing when we are talking about competi. Incase you get triggered again just letting you know thats my humble opinion
Writing an algoritme to find them should be simple for them. People with a very high % of blind fire hits are cheaters. You can be good at knowing the probable location of an opponent (just look at some games of Skill4ltu) but there are limits.
I had some teammates tell me that they were killed off one after the other while sniping with TDs on Studzyanki by a FV4005. Just said "yeah right" and thought that the FV got lucky in his random bush shots (there arent that many bushes there, so...). But now, after I've heard about it like 15 times and I saw this clip and got the mechanism of how they do it - I know. This is pure cancer.
Funny thing is, that this is not even a new mod/cheat. While thankfully I never expereinced playing against it, I knew about it's existence for a long time, saw it in some random forum/blog around 2016, it was already a thing back than, I guess it's never got popular enough to be actually impactful, probably only a handful of players used it. Now I hope WG will quickly do something about it, because if streamers like Daki starts talking about it, the mod/cheat might get the popularity to actually ruin the random battles
After years of playing this game from the very beginning i stopped a year ago... the game went to shit. I spent $1000s on it over the years but never a dime again
I got blind fired 4 times unspotted in the Tesak on Lakeville a couple of days ago in a game with 2 lights on each side. The first shot was in a pretty common bush on the 5 line, but I moved from that to no bush, was still unspotted, and hit again by the same guy 15 seconds later. I completely relocated to the other side of the lake and he hit me twice more. I just thought it was ridiculously good/lucky and sent him a note “congratulating” him on his blinds. Didn’t hear back, but I was suspicious. I even asked in chat if anyone on our team was streaming b/c there was just no way he could have guessed where I was after the relocation across the lake. Our other light died pretty quickly as well and we lost 15-3 to a team that on average was significantly less skill. I really hope this isn’t what happened and that it doesn’t get worse . . . Thanks for sharing
Ahh, I remember hearing about this cheat YEARS ago (talking 6-7 years)! Completely forgot about it until you made this... It's far from new and many people have probably been using it this whole time.
The best video you have ever made. You clearly care about people playing this game, you consider them people. Some others consider them ''playerbase''. If you know what I mean.
I don't know how WG would even address this cheat, it really seems like it could be a major problem. The mod doesn't seem to change much of anything for the clients it just shares one players game data with another player in the same match. The data doesn't transfer through WG servers either. When two or more players have the cheat in a match, the data is going 'peer to cheat host server to peer'. I have had a few situations where it really seemed sus and I am starting to suspect this might have been what happened. Taking damage without being spotted, not being in an obvious spot, not staying in same spot after being spotted, and no one on the enemy team is within spotting distance.
you know wildly enough, I play on NA server and recently I have had issues with people shooting at me while I'm in unconventional spots and not spotted.
This explains a lot. I was getting frustrated by being shot all the time without being spotted a few months ago and ended up uninstalling the game becuase it was wasting my time. On the NA server.
Thank you Dakillzor...your word has a lot of influence within the wot community and even with developers. I've also participated in battles in the same way with players whose statistics didn't match. only instead of a NOMAD it was a SKORPION G...I hid behind the BUSHES with a SHPTK - TVP full concealment without firing a single shot. We didn't have a light start or a bourrasque. and yet I was shot twice and other team members were also shot with accurate shots! This type of player is very sad. These players have all the stats of a player!
Thank you so very much Daki. I know you wouldn't be posting this if it weren't important. I hope this message gets out to the majority of players especially those who play on the smaller populated servers like I do. It is hard enough to win battles on the NA server and someone cheating in any way makes it all that much harder.
I had a similar game situation. Funny enough it was also a Nomad shooting me blind (like 3/4 times) even on the move. I made a ticket to Wargaming but they don't do anything about it. It was very obvious that something wasn't right.
This TOTALLY makes sense. I almost strictly play mediums, with an emphasis on m3ds with higher camo/speed. On my Miel (52% camo) and Cslis(46%) I'd be hit by a TD or something else without being spotted, behind numerous bushes and trees with plenty of coverage. I'd be randomly hit snd wonder where and from what. This kinda makes sense now!
I'm on Asia server and many of my hier tier friends notice this bug and others random player too. Those cheaters target higher tier games for some reason.
i had this same thing around a year ago, artilerry blindshooting tanks one after the other, all unspotted, reported this to wargaming with a repla and they laughed it away as being "just lucky blindshots", they also informed they were not going to take action.
Well in this case.... I play arty some - and I constantly hit blind shots. Every popular position is well known and well.... My first 2 shots are always blind, before scouts/mediums get into position to spot. I hit around 45%.
Thank you soooo much for this video, Daki! This would explain everything that I experienced on 24th June this year (I checked the date of my screenshots and video that I sent to WG) . I play on Asia Server, mostly night time - with only 1,5 - 2k players online - playing almost exclusively Tier X at the time. This makes you notice strange things easier. For a few days I noticed a sudden increase in number of SPGs per game, from 1 or 2 - and sometimes 0 - to mostly 2 or 3. Its a long story - try cut it short, but the 24th was so fucked up that I checked some strange arty on my team - they where clearly bots. But why? I decided to check some accounts and in 30 minutes I found 10 new accounts started in June, I decided that was enough, that exclusively played French SPGs and then changed to Russian SPGs. Identical statistics over about a thousand games, wich would be expected for software run players. I sent a replay of an obvious bot artillery game where we had 2(!) bot SPGs on our team (Looks funny when they act like one!) and some pictures of account info to WG. Result : Nothing! :) They where never platooned or so for rewards. Just bot Artillery accounts. But I could not really understood why. I posted on Reddit and WG discord, but most people thought me crazy! :) But this explains it, flooding SPGs to get one on the other team! It also explains some strange games where your team just looses, without reason everyone explodes - and other team has a guy doing 6-8k damage! Probably I played with a guy doing the same damage from time to time, but you notice when you get F:ed easier then when your team benefits! Anyway. Thanks for the replay and nice that someone finally brings this issue to the WG table! GG!
At first I thought maybe this cheat pulls some extra data from the server that could unintentionally be used to locate people, but if this relies on multiple people having the mod then the data is sent to a third party server outside of wargaming control then this is horrendous because there’s nothing to patch as the only thing wargaming can do to is ban the accounts. I’m not trying to be mean but with all due respect if you’re concerned about the mod becoming widespread then why are you advertising it on this video and explaining how easy it is to get multiple accounts in the same game, then suggested it could be done on NA? What is the purpose of showing the general public this? What are we supposed to do about it other than them seeing it and potentially wanting to download the mod now, since the more people that download it the more effective it becomes. “Spreading awareness” can only do so much.
It works by having at least one client owned by the cheater on the enemy team, and then that client relays the information of tank locations to the cheater’s client, but this only works if the allies are within radio range of the idle client. So yeah, you’re right, they can only ban accounts, or some kind of program-signature matching method to ban the cheat itself. You could start a business like that, you could silently grind accounts all the way to unicum-status with the help of the cheat, and then get some reward tanks and then sell them.
It's much better to expose vulnerabilities like this because now wargaming has WAY more incentive to work on solving this problem than if Daki and other content creators were to keep it in the dark.
@@Hello-uv3nz WG is already aware of this problem. This collusion attack is the same method that riggers use to rig marks. Chems is right, the only solution is to ban the accounts and since WGNA does fuck all about riggers, they will probably do fuck all about the cheaters. As long as multi boxers can drop in all at once, this problem will not go away because each box can talk to every other box outside of WGs control. WG had years to work up a solution to this exact type of collusion attack and they ignored it. If I were you, I would temper my hopes they come up with a solution now because this isn't an EU problem (well maybe late night) and they abandoned the NA server years ago.
I sent a replay to WG (NA) bc the same thing happened to me on 2 separate games, blind fired to death without being spotted from multiple different locations. WG (NA) said "You don't need to send us a replay" and left it at that.
Fuck, I've recently come back to the game and we started the game in strong hold, on tier VIII, and without a spot, no one had a spot, neither me nor anyone else, and I get a shot in the side , in a place where no one shoots blindly, it's crazy strange, I dig up a replay and it was completely incomprehensible , I explained to myself that maybe I just didn't know something , but fuck this game, I left it when they introduced BZ rocket idiocy and other premium OP shit! I went back to wot stupidly, but now I'm deleting it from my computer for good, Daki o7
Yeah I got hit with this cheat a year or two back, got arty focused in an SU 130. Found another replay where it seemed the same players did the same thing to an ELC at the time and sent it all to WG. Because I left the battle early and restarted the client I never had the players' unanonymised names though.
I think there was a way of finding out who you played against by looking at the logs from the replays but I have no idea if it still works, and yeah I can see its been a few years since the replay
@@jacobbalcer7913 I tried at the time with both replays but no joy. My second report seemed to get a better response than just that the software will pick up any cheats but it was probably just to shut me up
All you have to do is send a PM in the garage after the battle and their true user name shows up. You don't even have to SEND a message, just open the message box.
I've noticed in my last 10 games that the spotting mechanic is broken. I don't know how my tanks with 100% camo rating are being spotted and my tanks being destroyed in 10 seconds or less?
Ah, I remember seeing this cheat years ago (2017?), but at the time our thoughts were that it would be impossible to use as you had to get two active players on the opposite teams. Looks like that day has come
You are correct. SPG bots. I made a complaint to WG 24th June. From my post above: "For a few days I noticed a sudden increase in number of SPGs per game, from 1 or 2 - and sometimes 0 - to mostly 2 or 3.", "I sent a replay of an obvious bot artillery game where we had 2(!) bot SPGs on our team (Looks funny when they act like one!) and some pictures of account info to WG. Result : Nothing! :)" GG
I like it. I appreciate everything which makes arty hater faces red and boiling. No one needs this toxic minirity. They just make the game bad for everyone else.
I remember encountering one cheater in my game a month or two ago on Ghost Town, landing hits on unspotted people in the field, across the map, etc. 10K in dealt damage alone, reports were sent in with replays, no clue what happened to the player, but hopefully ended up for the positive.
Got blind fire 4 times in a battle couple of weeks back by same player even after relocating everytime I poked I took a hit from T54 sixth sense never went off T54 did 10k and 8 kills only 2 other players in his team did over 1.5k
1 blind fire i can cope with, even 2 if i don't move quick enough (i am a bad player 48+ win rate) With my winrate to get to 50% i need 40k games with a 52% winrate. Will never happen. But cheating to improve it or get marks (i don't care about them) is just not in my playbook. I just want fun when playing, and do my best. Also if you sometimes play tier 5 (late in the night) look out for the rogue excelsior.(goes to the rand of the map, drowns or is a suicide tank)
There are definitely people using this on NA, don't run into it often but when it does happen its really obvious because the person blind shooting you (and others) doesn't miss much as Daki highlights in the vid.
I've faced this cheat several times recently. I'm a ~3k wn8 player with 80k games that played since launch, and I agree this is worrying. Also as a programmer with a masters degree in distributed systems, I can tell you that this is really easy to do if you have one player on each team with the same cheat. I think ever since the game was new, this sort of map hack has been available but only as mini map indicators or really simple indicators on screen of where the tank might be. But lately with all the money being poured into the dark side of this game, it was only a matter of time before something sophisticated came on the market.
So basically what you are saying is that both player are sending location of their teammates and the cheat have their own server rendering those location on client side of game? But the cheat wont work if one of the team is not using this cheat.
@@fusion8907 Yeah that would be the easiest way to do it, so I'm pretty sure that's what's going on. So it has to be at least one player on each team with the mod for it to work. But as Daki says, what these guys usually do is to insert bots into the queue while playing so that there will almost always be like a bot arty or something on the other team.
I have seen a few replays where someone was spotted at the start of the game, and people were saying that it was a WG glitch. I am wondering if it is actually a clue that someone on the enemy team has a cheat mod. There was a replay on Claus's channel of premiumammoavoider where he was spotted right at the start of the game, and was continuously spotted through the game. I might have to rewatch that game.
Well that sucks. I think I was a victim of one such gamer recently. I recall loosing my mind trying to figure out how I was getting owned in a safe position and while moving away without being spotted. This would seem to fit well.
I don't think that's a good reason. Nowadays, you have cheats in all games but World of Tanks is still pretty good in this case compared to all popular games in my opinion
@@Mart1nvo sorry man, against this kind of less of secured ambient it is the best actuation against the "no action taken" from developers regarding the issue... Let say that: if one mounth no one buy something from WoT maybe some developers open their eyes
that thing also happened to me a few times, I was getting blind fire very consistently even though I was relocating to not obvious positions at all but I brushed it off thinking I was just extremely unlucky, I would never have imagined that such cheat even exists in the world of tanks
We dont need any mods in this game. Lots of useful things from the modpacks are implemented in the game in every update, letting the door open for other mods only helps cheating. WG is enough playing with us, MM and RNG included. We dont need to help other cheaters.
The major modpacks all comply with the Wargaming fair play policy. Many game improvements come from mods and mod packs. Without the influence of mods, WoT would have the same poor quality user interface that it had in 2012.
I have a question: Even if I tell my buddy on the enemy team that someone is on B4 for example, how is it possible that he shoots at him with so much precision?
A question remains : why do arties send packets of the entire teams' positions ? How was that not an intentional features made by WG ? One fix I know @chems would agree with : DELETE ARTILLERY Thanks Daki for this awareness video
@@rocket2739 Basically, there is very limited amount of arties in the que at any moment of time of any class in the game. Especially during nigth hours/early morning when server population is around 5-7K. To get into match during night hours one who plays arty must wait at least 2-4 minutes for matchmaker to start a match for there are between 11-22 arties in the que. Therefore statistically speaking it's the most likely to enter a game when 'your arty on enemy team' is present vs a cheater using any other class. IDK if it makes sense, but hopefully you understand the principle. (Of course nobody gives a fuckle about arty being AFK or basically just pretending to be active for they are not at the front lines and one might always just say, yes the arty damage was low because bad RNG. Nothing fishy here)
I quit playing wot about a year and half ago because I was getting matches like this frequently where I never got spotted, never shot, didn't sit in popular bushes. There was simply no way they could have known I was there. Couple that was the horrendous rng where you never pen when fully aimed at weak spots mean while others are flying around snap shooting you from over half way across the map perfectly hitting you every time. I was fed up with it.
many thanks for the video. now I understand why I take so many blindshots lately and on the positions where nobody would normally try to blindfire. This is reason why the gameplay feels more frustrating these days. people play like they do not care and then there is more and more cheaters. I hope the situation gets better soon.
I remember as far back in 2015 someone uploaded a video of a mod he made showing the position of the enemy team on the mini map. It didn’t show the them as boxes or missing bushes as we saw in this video.
I think I may have come across this in NA. I kept getting blind shotted weeks ago, at first I thought it was luck but then I drove back to a completely different position and was also hit.
I think there is more to it than just having two mates chatting on both teams because that doesn't account for the accuracy. Even before you spoke about the end stats you can see in game that not a single shot is missing the target. That's pretty impressive when the targets can be seen and nigh on a miracle for blind shooting, even if the positions show up on the map simply because of the way that the mechanics of the game work. When there is no target, the game mechanics can only guess where you are aiming 3 dimensionally. It can analyze your aim up and down; left and right, but it cant work out distance.
I encountered a similar situation on the Asia server over a year ago, before I relegated the game to the bottom drawer. I was on Abbey in a TD with excellent view range and cammo. The first blind shot I took, I shrugged off as I was in an obvious sniping position. The second shot I received raised my suspicions, so I moved to an obscure position and got hit again. By this point there was no doubt in my mind that there was yet another, new level of cheating happening on the Asia server.
I encountered this too, was playing grille 15 on steppes, never got spotted the entire game, yet this one rinoceronte has hit me a sum of 4 times while I was standing out of bushes in completely un-blindable positions.
I think the old cheat, the one that shows you are overexposed and enemies are able to hit you is extremely impactful too. too many times I see people instantly reacting when I sneak up on them and still aiming on their sides and while im done they already aiming back at me. what a sorry state this shit game is in. this cheat gonna completly ruin the game.
Yes, cheating is a problem. But i would argue that the toxicity from WoT players is a much bigger problem. For instance, the TVP that is the author of the replay started calling the light tank bad as soon as he died.
As a blindfiring addict AND frequent arty player as well, who frequently gets fanmail about "u be cheatin", I now feel actually scared of receiving punishment randomly, from complaints done by inhabitants of typical/obvious positions being taken seriously.
Meanwhile knowing where an enemy is without "spotting" is just normal gameplay in war thunder. Tanks always remain visible, even if they're obstructed and even in arcade if you haven't spotted them to light up their nametag.
We see this an ASIA, very sure of it. Lots of very “lucky” shots. I thought it was the old “aim bot” cheaters. Don’t know if that’s still a thing, but some of the shots? Cupola at 300m on the move? Happens. Luck? If it was once. But it’s noticeable that there is a lot of “luck” happening.
Well, this explains a lot. I've had this happen to me, blind-shotted even after I relocate and the 6th sense never goes off. And teammates getting killed with no explanation. I uninstalled the game the other day because players are so bad as it is and I was getting shot up in multiple games with no explanation as to how.
That not surprising, yesterday my friend peaked onto a dude who had 3 guys close to him yet he literally turned around waiting for my friend and there was nothing he broke on the way, on Poland they did some video about it as well.
I died in such way a week ago on NA, stopped playing for 4 hrs as I thought it was me and it was the usual off peak na issues but I recall chatting with another player who also had been killed unspotted so thank you for solving that mystery Daci. How could wargaming even tackle this ?
Its actually quite simple but its going to take WG YEARS to figure this doozy out. All they have to do is take the IP of the suspected cheater and link it with other devices trying to connect to the suspected cheaters IP from a different location. Thats litterally how botting works. OR. If its a solo cheater Just watch the auto aim. Your mouse leaves the center of screen when aiming at something through the auto aim.
The bush blinds can happen with a bit of luck and a lot of experience. But the open field blind shots are crazy and the shot/hit ratio is way to insane.
its probably a bit difficult to detect bots since so many players are so bad that they seem like bots. there are also "laser" cheats that draws a beam from the gun so you know where everyone is aiming so that you can keep safe.
You send all these evidence to wg support and they will send back the usual automated messgae saying "ye man we have system to detect cheater and they will get banned so stfu and stop contacting support we are not getting paid enough to give a fuck"
I have reached out and am in contact with WG for a comment regarding the situation, Once they do I will put it in the pinned message here.
WG response:
Edit: worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/ban-wave-september-2024/
I'm assuming they will simply say something like "we'll look into it" and then nothing will happen, just like what they do to those game rigging situations
We have full control, thats what they told me the 3 times i reported cheaters.. so i gave up.. Good you do it, stronger voice than mine
@@MindTrippin-SinceBirthif cheater pays, they would pretend nothing happened. Simple
@@frankg189 Same with the ones that press W, die and start new.. just to make credits.. WG didnt care there either
@@Dakillzor similar things have happened to me b4 and feel helpless..the game will die more than it alrdy has imo
6:57 he's suiciding because he ran out of ammo
Shots fired: 30 in the results screen, and that's how much ammo he has
That is correct! Nice find! GG!
There you deliberate destruction of tank, report the prick and maybe they'll look at his "game-play" and do fuck all of nothing...
I actually met a guy who was cheating like that.
I was chilling, platooning with members of a CC discord (won't say the name, it isn't relevant and the youtuber is great), and I came across a really cool guy. We were playing, having fun, laughing together, and he had very good results. That was weird because he had been playing the game for only a year and he was better than me with a decade of experience. I didn't pay much attention to it, but battle after battle he would get 5-6k on a Skorpion G. So I straight up asked him and he confessed. He was using this EXACT same method to cheat (he even screenshared everything to me).
Safe to say that I haven't talked to him ever since and I have reported him.
I haven't played the game for a few months, so I don't remember his username, but I might go back just to expose him to you guys.
The worst thing is that he was doing that on the EU server for a year 6 months ago, so the plague has already spread.
Hi there. I love to expose cheaters on my YT c.h.a.n.n.e.l.
Can you please let me know the username of that guy?
Thank you in advance!
So not only does wargaming gouge the fuck out of players for even a single premium vehicle, there's an untold number of individuals with possibly multiple accounts that are running around with game breaking mods? Glad I uninstalled, lololol
@@alreadyblack3341 Pretty much yeah
"he had very good results. That was weird because he had been playing the game for only a year and he was better than me with a decade of experience."
Just fyi: having a decade of experience in WoT is just useless. A guy who is willing to LEARN the game and has good mentors as platoon mates can be a super unicum within a year.
@@thuering6229 I agree I agree, but the point here isn't about that. He told me he didn't really study the game. I had suspicions and like an idiot he proved me right. Don't react to the wrong thing here
This is actually nuts. Now we do have to take every "HEY! The guys was cheating" or "I got cheated" claims seriously. :/ And it will make soo many players more anxious about that. Even when players are not cheating, but they think enemy is (many false claims incoming). WG needs to react FAST... I mean they gonna have to be faster than a squirrel on espresso to fix that mess! Haiyaaaaa, this is bad.
And this will cause normies to stop playing if this happens often enough. So the share of the cheaters is increasing... Not good for a healthy game at all.
And since when did WG care about it's players? Please remind me
Naaah, all WG has to do is ban this mod and all others like it. After that the claim that someone is cheating will be just as laughable as it has always been. Claims are not problematic, its just the mod specifically
@@sir_vikingbeard5842 imagine when it's outed that WOT is a cheat itself...rigging battles so that people not paying are more hustled to buy products in order to have good matchmaking and rng. Also all those boosting companies are WOT subsidiary of cause. You can't expect players with THOUSANDS of 0 dmg games in a platoon of 3 not being caught by some anti cheat filter. They know about it and allow it. Have you ever heard of some cheater or thief in real life that did the same scheme thousands of times and got away with it ? it only happens when the authority is complicit. It will blow your mind like when you found out earth is not flat.
@@sir_vikingbeard5842 Not really difficult, everyone uses the same mod for the most part. They just don't always turn everything on. Where are they getting this mod from? I personally don't care much. Someone needs to do all that to beat me, so be it. Maybe someday people will listen when someone says 'stats don't matter' only to you. Stop fighting over them and play the game. Cheats only happen to 'prove' something. WG tried to stop this in the beginning. Took the top 3 mods being used and added them to the game. They said 'that's it, these three.' Players wanted the stats. Complained they couldn't use 'the mod' anymore and poof, now you can use it. Almost everyone does. This hack doesn't need someone else in on it. Just someone running the same mods. People seem to be paying for things to be done for them. This is why they're here. They are making money selling whatever it is they sell. A WN8 account. Marked tanks, or even the reward tank you grind for. Whomever is buying is the issue, not WG.
Cheaters? Nah, lets just sell a new type of lootboxes.
- WG®
So true
Cheaters produce cheaters.
OFC don't look there - look over here at the new shiny thingy you can buy
WarGambling certified classic
The funny thing is when your in a game and you call someone a cheat your team mates mock and tell you to get good, there's a'-lot more cheats then being shown, its only now people are starting to wake up so WG has to be seen to be reacting by this half assed fair play post lol, the game has been going down the drain for some time because WG only care about selling shit in the game nobody wants instead of making the game fun and fair for all, the game is trash. The minute this game is closed down i will laugh my ass off as will many other's I''m sure, just wait and see. Look at their other tank game (total flop)
2-3 months ago i did a reddit post after being killed pretty much like that, without being spotted. And the player that killed me went from having 5-600 dmg with Tier X, to have 4-5000 plus on every tank. The post got deleted for shaming.
well thats reddit for you lol
What did you expect from soy filled Reddit?
You can always report that to WG and they will tell you that the player just got lucky. That's how much they care.
wot reddit is ultimate soyfest
If you could read, you'd know why your post got deleted. The only reason naming&shaming aren't allowed on the sub is because the sub would get deleted otherwise.
WG in 2014 gave me 2 strikes(189k subs) and banned me from making videos on WoT simply for mentioning the problem with bots in game. It's funny to see how in 2024 they turn a blind eye to the demonstration of such cheats in the game.
Такая же ситуация была в таркове, когда ru блогеров разрабы гнобили за любой намек на наличие проблемы читов в игре, а eu и usa поднимали эту тему в роликах, с демонстрацией видео этих самых читов - ноль реакции.
WG are similar to criminals, they take your money and afterwards they could not care less. Still we go on giving them money, they make a good game but fair or "random" is not part of it
@@Trxtrswg always was about money.
They dont care about anything.
Thats why the game is dead today. I left it long ago.
@@Trxtrs а что тут удивительного? Когда население целой страны позволяет использовать себя как топливо для кровавой, агрессивной, неправедной войны с дичайшими мясными штурмами - почему кто-то ожидает к себе нормального отношения?
Европейцы и американцы веками боролись за то, чтобы с ними не могли сделать тоже, что делают с "русскими". Не будьте безвольными амебами, чтобы ваши права не ущемляли.
@@maxsun8810 хуйню несешь 🤣
Imagine if there was some kind of message board type thing, where the community could write comments and inform WG of these issues, we could call it a forum.
If only 🤣
WG tends to look the other way with accounts (Whales) that spend thousands every year, sad but nothing we can do except go free to play for a year or more as a community.
We could call it X
or maybe... who knows... a "report" button that actually does something and isn't a dead end
@@rocket2739 we're going to make a short about this soon hopefully
This is very sad. I've been in this game since 2013 and these new chetas are just brutal. These cheaters can literally group up in platoons and completely ruin tons of matches. I've been progressively playing less and less and this is really bad news of WG can't put a stop to this somehow.
by the sounds off things WG is just counting there profits.. which i just stupidly started to contribute to again.
Nah he isn't cheating he just have a great world of tanks gaming chair
maybe even a wot plus account
Probably just using razor snap tap.
Lmassoff @@jacobbalcer7913
Overused joke
@@ShinyProspect Didn't asked
Wow. I'm so glad this is coming to light finally. About a year ago, I had to play against cheaters with this mod on NA. The game started with an ally e5 asking if anyone was marking their tank. At the time, I was around 93 or 94% on my CS-63 (can't remember exactly) so I said in the chat I was. For the entire rest of the game, 2 enemy arty shot at me no matter what I did. I ran redline and sat still for minutes where it was impossible to be shot, and the second I left cover I was instantly hit. I would also be driving unspotted near the back of the map and be getting directly hit. I knew it was 100% cheating (as even screen peeking would never be that accurate), yet no one ever believed me. I believe I have the replay somewhere if you'd like it Daki. I reported it to WG back then, yet nothing was ever done of it (I saw the players were playing even after WG "took appropriate measures" to my report.
I will never understand how people can spent so much creativity and energy on trying to play as unfair as possible
that is the whole point - to find cracks and exploit the system.
It is not about winning a game or improving stats..
for some it is about money but I believe mostly it is because "I can do that".
Because they don't know how to apply their talents in any other way. If they had jobs or healthy hobbies to spend their time on, they wouldn't be doing this.
Then you dont understand people.
As a professional cheater, who was making money with it, this is self-explanatory. I started to cheat out of fun (I was playing games where ruining game for others was a way to play), then for extreme in-game profits, quickly got eager to know how far I can push, pushed too far, understood I can offer CaaS. Now to answer those who think cheating is for natural omegas and loosers - well, I've seen this argument being made only by ones, lol. More often than not, my cheater colleagues were natural chads, but I'm pretty much not sure what average WoT cheater wants/looks like. As for my experience in WoT cheating, I did this for some months, it quickly became uninteresting - when cheats drop due to expired license or game update, and I'm lazy to install again - I notice you can no longer play without them, your brain refuses to do its thing. So yeah, use with care.
@@wwlb4970'professional cheater'. Jesus Christ, how sad. I don't know what's more pathetic, providing people with the ability to ruin games and other players enjoyment, or the people that suck so badly at video games in general the only way they can enjoy it is by exploiting the shit out of it and ruining other player's experience.
This cheat is brilliant, it collects information from someone on the opposite team, as Daki said, probably a bot playing arty, and calculates the exact position in "warpack" style based on the information provided by the "traitor". But being strictly technical, this cheat is basically someone on the opposite team spying on their own team. It's basically a "streamsnipe". Sure, the cheat allows for greater precision, but in the end of the day it's the classic traitor on the team.
@@vampirecount3880 If I were doing it, I would add this feature undocumented to some other popular cheats people install, so that when cheats spread around, I always have someone on opposing team spying for me and sending stats. Best way is fallen tree mod, which probably every artillery player has.
Exactly and thats why its (beside the visual representation on the cheaters end) nothing special and new 😅 because everyone could just run a second pc with one or more clients, hope for same match and opposite team and he would be good to go. Thanks to the opportunity of watching the game even after death
@@vampirecount3880 I will laugh so hard once it turns out the spy side code is in some popular legal mod many people use. That'd be brilliant. Spread, capture, dominate.
@@wwlb4970 I hadn't thought of that. The code could actually be in other mods, especially the legal and popular ones, so there wouldn't be any need to bother about inserting a spy bot in the match queue. Now I don't know if WG wouldn't be able to detect the code in approved mods, but it would be super easy to insert it on unofficial ones
@@KnockoutNico As Daki said, its easy to do in low pop servers. You wouldnt belive how many bots operated by cheaters exists on the NA server early in the day. Its easy to do when there are few people playing.
Before the mod explained on this video existed, cheaters would farm bots by operating them on the enemy team, but they would just sit in the open while being farmed from across the map. It was super obvious. This new mod makes things easier for the cheater, no doubt.
Hi, I recently encountered a TVP that was blind-firing at me constantly, even when I changed bushes or sides of the map without being spotted or destroying any objects. Strangely enough, the enemy artillery was AFK, while both of our artillery units seemed to be controlled by the same person, as they were moving and shooting at the exact same time. Thanks for this video; it explains everything!
I've had that EXACT scenario happen! My teams arty were moving, aiming, and firing in unison. If one turned it's tank to the left they would both move to the left the exact same amount. I sent it to wargaming but have no way to tell what the results were from it.
@@itsgingervitis69 "My teams arty were moving, aiming, and firing in unison. If one turned it's tank to the left they would both move to the left the exact same amount."
That's very unlikely to be suspicious.
That happens to me like maybe a 1/5 of the time when I play artillery with other artillery present(FYI, i play all types of vehicles roughly the same).
It's really simple, the number of positions that are good for arty to fire from is extremely limited on many maps, combined with the fact that if you don't move after firing, you invite yourself to get destroyed by counterbattery fire from any decent artyplayer like myself.
Take that with the fact that arty's have very similar, very LONG reload times, and what you describe tends to happen simply because your're seeing artyplayers that are not incompetent.
"Hi, I recently encountered a TVP that was blind-firing at me constantly, even when I changed bushes or sides of the map without being spotted or destroying any objects."
Yeah, seen that as well. Happened to me VERY blatantly once just a few weeks ago.
One specific enemy fired at me every time i moved up behind bushes on hill, didn't fire at all when i was behind the cover of the hill, and always fired straight at me regardless me changing position all the time. I was destroyed without being spotted once. Had a heavy tank at the time so i blocked over 3k dmg in the process.
I think you are correct! Using SPG bots seems to be common nowadays, at least on Asia sever. I just made a similar post about SPGs... From the post: "I sent a replay of an obvious bot artillery game where we had 2(!) bot SPGs on our team (Looks funny when they act like one!) and some pictures of account info to WG. Result : Nothing! :) They where never platooned or so for rewards. Just bot Artillery accounts." GG!
Today this happend to me. I'm not spoted and took 3 hits from a Char Future! Like in the video!
@Dakillzor - I had a game very much like this. Same TD, same map same experience - and I made a ticket to WG. I referred to this UA-cam video to help investigate cheaters. All I got was a no good answer: "Please keep in mind that we do not manually punish players using forbidden modifications, our automatic system is taking care of this." Wargaming don't care about cheaters!!! Thx for your good videos, good work 👍👍
i never thought cheats were legit in WoT for ages, just unfair mods but nothing extreme like ESP ect. but this is concerning and making me question what i thought was possible.
It’s not. It’s all just fake news and people taking copium for sucking
Esp 100% has stuff for WoT. Wtf are you talking about lol
@@deadzeddicious3684 ive personally have never seen legit ESP like this before, just the destructible objects mod and similar things. but stuff like wall hacks/ESP ect ive not seen in wot before, at least not on a grand scale.
Then most of you dident see aimbot... its a thing with all this combined its just not fun anymore :D
@@evildarkeevildark5943 except we all know aimbot and it is about as "impactful" as tundra , which is next to nothing and only bad player lose their shits over it. You can setting you mouse sensitivity correctly and practice aiming overtime and boom you know achieve the same thing as "aimbot" 🙄
Thank You Daki for all this effort and time you put in the fight againts this evil.
As the title of the video says, this could ruin WoT and i believe so. I myself wouldn't stick around if this cheating would get popular.
So thank you and i hope this will be dealt with.
Very good and important video. I grew suspicious about something like that a few weeks ago. Clanmate and i played on Wadi, i was playing a TD and stood behind rocks close to the base. I know those bushes are often targets of blind shots, so i stayed behind the rocks. Our scout already cleared the mid bushes so i took a short peake. Bam onehit FV shot the moment i randomly peaked. Same a few minutes later with a teammate. He told me he wasn't spotted aswell. And then something like that occured a third time.. after the second guy got onehitted by the FV i grew suspicious and after the third one i was pretty sure there was something wrong. I messaged the FV player after the game and he told me it was just random blindshooting... well i didn't believe him because those 3 shots all were onehits on targets that were hidden behind cover and then shot after a short peak. He coulnd't have known the exact moment his enemies peaked. The first time i thought okay.. lucky. But 3 times in a row ? ...noway.
Yep same thing happening in a couple of my games on NA server, no blind fire misses, the shots would only come in the second a td tried to peak and none of us were getting spotted
Same on Asia server...
This week something similar happened to me. I was playing in Mountain Pass, not even spotted once, and one single player was constantly blindshooting me every time i peeked, and i was never spotted for the entire time, in fact i was outside the spotting circle from his position. Playing in NA server.
I play NA to.That server is a cancer.........Incredible amount of cheaters.........
Ludwik from INVIL used this cheat to mark Hurricane up to 100% while having 7,5k dpg sessions
I hate that people cheat on marks because I used to look at someone with 3 marks and know it was an accomplishment. Now I see them I just assume they are possibly a rigger. Those people devalued the very thing they wanted.
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@@OrangeKhaos I see where you are coming from, but most 3moe players really are good players.
@@zokmope2157 bs on what?
INVIL is full of cheaters lmao
Part of the problem is that WG support doesn't actually bother to check replays most of the time. They are adamant that their anticheat works flawlessly.
They don't need to check replays.
Writing an algoritme to find them should be simple for them.
It's so basic, that anybody with basic knowledge of Excel could do it.
People with a very high % of blind fire hits over many games are cheaters.
You can be good at guessing the probable location of an opponent (just look at some games of Skill4ltu) but there are limits.
Also players that go from being average for a long time to suddenly becoming excellent should be suspicious. There should be some learning curve.
But it could be different players using the same account. So you need to be carefull with that.
The problem is that it might be that WG actually removes these players. But the problem is that the cheater first need to cheat and they probably need to be cheating
for several games for WG to draw conclusions.
So it could be that this player already got removed.
just statistics who enters the battle at the same time more often then expected on opposite teams. ez.
@@philippe2715go ahead, write that crazy "algorithm"
@@philippe2715go ahead, write that crazy "algorithm"
OMG! thank you for mentioning the Asia server, we have a very low playerbase, 12k peak during events, these cheaters absolutely destroy games. a few years ago WG banned 1,500 accounts for using cheats/hacks, that's over 10% of the playerbase. i've been blindshotted so many times without ever being spotted even after swapping sides of the map in a light tank, i knew the player was cheating but had no way to prove it, thank you for bringing this to light so everyone can see.
Yeah I play asia server too and alot of weird stuff goes on.
I play on the EU servers and it's always fun to see 150+ ping players, either they are asian refugees or cheaters, usually the latter.
@@uderzo1984 i live in Australia, i have 150+ ping to the Asia server as it is, the game would be unplayable connecting to any other region, we did for a short time have an Australian server but it never broke more than 1k players so WG got rid of it
@@Robb_in_Oz I feel your pain, brother.
Yes. I also play on Asia server and I have a feeling the problem is exponentially bigger here.
WG need to add a program to their Sixth sense, that not only alerts the player they've been spotted, but they're being engaged by an enemy who is cheating, because they're engaged you without legitimately spotting you, or having an ally spot you.
Then they provide you a means to drop your replay into them, so they can review the footage and take action against the cheater.
I left CS many years ago because of cheaters, then Tarkov became infested, too. Please don't let WoT suffer the same fate.
too late mate :/
There are some vehicles you can buy that are literally like cheating
P2W is a way of cheating, this game is long gone
CS is pretty alright nowadays :D 1 cheat per 20 games on mid elo or so i would say.
@@rocket2739 You can literally spend as much $ as you want to, it will not make you a better player. A 45% monkey that spent $10000 on the game will always still lose to a 60% player that has spent nothing on the game. This is not a mobile game where you can literally just buy power over another player.
You cant buy positioning, awareness, game sense, knowledge on where to shoot and when to shoot or knowledge on every tank in the game stats.
People that cry about P2W in this game have never played a real P2W game. Every advantage you can buy can also be gotten for free (good crews, prem ammo, prem consumable, better equipment) the game is the least pay 2 win than it has ever been.
@@CrimsonicStorm Watch out, you might overdose on this amount of copium. WoT has always been p2w. Less p2w than some garbage mobile cashgrab doesn't make WoT a not p2w game.
It has been in the game for years. You can go on UA-cam and find videos of people cheating. Thanks Daki for making this video.
This explains a lot, I have had this happen to me a lot if im playing very late at night or early mornings, if you get hit with a blind shot,you think, maybe theyare just a good player, but when you have moved 6 times to reposition, and get hit every time, despite being in the open, and not in obvious bushes,its very suspicious.
man i played just yesterday and it was just like you said
It didnt happen to me yet.
But i git accused because i blind others 😂😂😂
Always funny when you see the rage pm.
i know this is a cheater video but i see noone talking about how toxic they was to the light tank. just think being him and getting shot without being spotted and then having people be so fucking toxic for it.
another YT channel featured a mod for arty where it calculates the trajectory and placement of the shot for you based on direction and speed tank is moving. There's been so many games where I'm doing 40+ in a light or med and get nailed many seconds after going dark. I guess there's always the chance for a lucky shot, but it happens too often for it to be luck. There's also the mod that has the laser pointers so you can see where enemy tank is currently aiming, obviously the unspotted tanks as well. I think these cheats are more common than most think, albeit it's still a small percentage of total population. If it becomes more apparent, time to stop spending money on the game until they address it. That's the only way to make them act.
I do pull off some worldie arty shots on quick enemies but with a low success rate overall - no cheats needed, I just got good (and lucky!) at leading the target. I also have many perfectly aimed shots at stationary enemies with arty, which miss very badly! The cheat options shown here blow my mind. They make the game very ugly to look at for a start - I couldn't play like that!
If it was me that hit you with HE on the move, please accept my apology and GG ;)
stopped spending in 2020 ,best decision i've ever made ,with every patch and every video like this ,i know i was justified
@@luigibordonaro8187 still, I have respect for people who can code a basic dynamic firing solution in real-time
A good start would be remove all the mods from the game, as a player that takes the game a little bit competitive in a healthy way the first thing I would love to is that every single player have the same game, idk why is legal to have extra features in game that are not downloaded by the game client.
The thing is, it isn't even a mod
I'm a 63% in world of warships. I had no idea other people were using legal mods until about 1200 games. Shouldn't be a thing there either.
Only losers complain about mods which dont give benefits in battle.
Just get over it. Improve yourself. Dont search for excuses.
You also dont say "He had this skin in counter strike, thats why he won. Unfair"
Mods help improve the game.
80% of the game today comes from mods in the past.
This is how devs safe money on ideas and developement.
Get over it already. Dont be childish.
If you want wot without mod, you should get a client from 2013 and try to do your own servers. Good luck.
@@dom3827 " Losers " 72k battles 55% winrate here.
Btw skins in csgo/2 are a basic game feature and not external archives.
Nowdays wot has implement in the game lot of the " fundamental mods " people used to instal. But just to give you an example, back on days you could use a mod that told you when you stop being spoted, and it wasnt a game feature, you had to put the mod in ur files.. and that mod was an small but very useful information that wasnt added in the game itself by the client so lot of players probably didnt even know that it exist, and you "could abuse" having a perfect timing over something that other players had to count by themselfs on the head. I always pref the games in which modding is ilegal at least in terms of pvp. Even if its just stupid skins or textures I think everyone must play and see the same thing when we are talking about competi.
Incase you get triggered again just letting you know thats my humble opinion
@@dom3827 " Losers " 72k battles 55% winrate here.
Btw skins in csgo/2 are a basic game feature and not external archives.
Nowdays wot has implement lot of the " fundamental mods " people used to instal. But just to give you an example, back on days you could use a mod that told you when you stop being spoted, and it wasnt a game feature, you had to put the mod in ur files.. and that mod was an small but very useful information that wasnt added in the game itself by the client so lot of players probably didnt even know that it exist, and you "could abuse" having a perfect timing over something that other players had to count by themselfs on the head. I always pref the games in which modding is ilegal at least in terms of pvp. Even if its just stupid skins or textures I think everyone must play and see the same thing when we are talking about competi.
Incase you get triggered again just letting you know thats my humble opinion
Huge respect for making this video as early as possible. Its super important to pressure wargaming to do something about it.
issues existed for a while now, you only know about it now.
Writing an algoritme to find them should be simple for them.
People with a very high % of blind fire hits are cheaters.
You can be good at knowing the probable location of an opponent (just look at some games of Skill4ltu) but there are limits.
I had some teammates tell me that they were killed off one after the other while sniping with TDs on Studzyanki by a FV4005. Just said "yeah right" and thought that the FV got lucky in his random bush shots (there arent that many bushes there, so...). But now, after I've heard about it like 15 times and I saw this clip and got the mechanism of how they do it - I know. This is pure cancer.
Funny thing is, that this is not even a new mod/cheat. While thankfully I never expereinced playing against it, I knew about it's existence for a long time, saw it in some random forum/blog around 2016, it was already a thing back than, I guess it's never got popular enough to be actually impactful, probably only a handful of players used it. Now I hope WG will quickly do something about it, because if streamers like Daki starts talking about it, the mod/cheat might get the popularity to actually ruin the random battles
After years of playing this game from the very beginning i stopped a year ago... the game went to shit. I spent $1000s on it over the years but never a dime again
Imagine playing a game that has you shooting boxes lol.
True, where is the fun in that?
maybe they treat it like revenge for all the lootboxes
@@modest123lol
Aimlabs 2
It's not about the money batman! It's about sending a message!
I got blind fired 4 times unspotted in the Tesak on Lakeville a couple of days ago in a game with 2 lights on each side. The first shot was in a pretty common bush on the 5 line, but I moved from that to no bush, was still unspotted, and hit again by the same guy 15 seconds later. I completely relocated to the other side of the lake and he hit me twice more. I just thought it was ridiculously good/lucky and sent him a note “congratulating” him on his blinds. Didn’t hear back, but I was suspicious. I even asked in chat if anyone on our team was streaming b/c there was just no way he could have guessed where I was after the relocation across the lake. Our other light died pretty quickly as well and we lost 15-3 to a team that on average was significantly less skill. I really hope this isn’t what happened and that it doesn’t get worse . . . Thanks for sharing
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Ahh, I remember hearing about this cheat YEARS ago (talking 6-7 years)!
Completely forgot about it until you made this...
It's far from new and many people have probably been using it this whole time.
hartelijk bedankt om die cheat te tonen op UA-cam. Eindelijk iemand met kloten en bereik die er iets aan doet !
The best video you have ever made.
You clearly care about people playing this game, you consider them people.
Some others consider them ''playerbase''.
If you know what I mean.
I don't know how WG would even address this cheat, it really seems like it could be a major problem. The mod doesn't seem to change much of anything for the clients it just shares one players game data with another player in the same match. The data doesn't transfer through WG servers either. When two or more players have the cheat in a match, the data is going 'peer to cheat host server to peer'.
I have had a few situations where it really seemed sus and I am starting to suspect this might have been what happened. Taking damage without being spotted, not being in an obvious spot, not staying in same spot after being spotted, and no one on the enemy team is within spotting distance.
They could remove mods
I've had a bunch of games lately that the blind fire was super suspicious. This would explain that.
Good on you for caring about the integrity of the game.
Meanwhile QB: MoRONs Dieeeeee
@@SC.KINGDOMqb has done a few videos showing cheaters...
you know wildly enough, I play on NA server and recently I have had issues with people shooting at me while I'm in unconventional spots and not spotted.
This explains a lot. I was getting frustrated by being shot all the time without being spotted a few months ago and ended up uninstalling the game becuase it was wasting my time. On the NA server.
Thank you Dakillzor...your word has a lot of influence within the wot community and even with developers. I've also participated in battles in the same way with players whose statistics didn't match. only instead of a NOMAD it was a SKORPION G...I hid behind the BUSHES with a SHPTK - TVP full concealment without firing a single shot. We didn't have a light start or a bourrasque. and yet I was shot twice and other team members were also shot with accurate shots! This type of player is very sad. These players have all the stats of a player!
it'e extremely easy for WG to catch cheating players but they don't want to do it.
Agree. An algoritme looking for players with a high % of blind fire hits could do the job.
Too busy trying to make another lootbox-paywall BZ-176
Thank you so very much Daki. I know you wouldn't be posting this if it weren't important. I hope this message gets out to the majority of players especially those who play on the smaller populated servers like I do. It is hard enough to win battles on the NA server and someone cheating in any way makes it all that much harder.
I had a similar game situation. Funny enough it was also a Nomad shooting me blind (like 3/4 times) even on the move. I made a ticket to Wargaming but they don't do anything about it. It was very obvious that something wasn't right.
Make sure to have a replay, name, etc. They will do something even if it takes time
@@YungEagle3kit's hard to have confidence in a company that doesn't listen to players
@@YungEagle3k You think I didn't use a replay? I reported the official way via WGs ticket center.
@@YungEagle3kno they dont.
I applaud you daki for making a video about it, being open and transparency is always highest priority when it comes to issues such as cheating.
The rampamt rigging, bots, and cheaters on NA finally made me uninstall after 13/14 years.
This TOTALLY makes sense. I almost strictly play mediums, with an emphasis on m3ds with higher camo/speed. On my Miel (52% camo) and Cslis(46%) I'd be hit by a TD or something else without being spotted, behind numerous bushes and trees with plenty of coverage. I'd be randomly hit snd wonder where and from what. This kinda makes sense now!
World of tanks was ruined 10 years ago by WG.
Yep.The game is gone from the 9.14 patch..........9.13 the last usable/playable patch.......
Good video Daki and you also have the right GIN behind you to counter the side effects of any cheats. 🙂
I'm on Asia server and many of my hier tier friends notice this bug and others random player too. Those cheaters target higher tier games for some reason.
Yea now that this video surfaced the sus behaviors I've seen makes a lot of sense... mostly late night battles
i had this same thing around a year ago, artilerry blindshooting tanks one after the other, all unspotted, reported this to wargaming with a repla and they laughed it away as being "just lucky blindshots", they also informed they were not going to take action.
Well in this case.... I play arty some - and I constantly hit blind shots. Every popular position is well known and well.... My first 2 shots are always blind, before scouts/mediums get into position to spot. I hit around 45%.
Tarkov player to WoT player: "First time?"
ya hackers fking ruined Tarkov.. used to love that game and Pub G. but these a**holes always find a way to ruin it.
Thank you soooo much for this video, Daki! This would explain everything that I experienced on 24th June this year (I checked the date of my screenshots and video that I sent to WG) . I play on Asia Server, mostly night time - with only 1,5 - 2k players online - playing almost exclusively Tier X at the time. This makes you notice strange things easier. For a few days I noticed a sudden increase in number of SPGs per game, from 1 or 2 - and sometimes 0 - to mostly 2 or 3.
Its a long story - try cut it short, but the 24th was so fucked up that I checked some strange arty on my team - they where clearly bots. But why? I decided to check some accounts and in 30 minutes I found 10 new accounts started in June, I decided that was enough, that exclusively played French SPGs and then changed to Russian SPGs. Identical statistics over about a thousand games, wich would be expected for software run players. I sent a replay of an obvious bot artillery game where we had 2(!) bot SPGs on our team (Looks funny when they act like one!) and some pictures of account info to WG. Result : Nothing! :) They where never platooned or so for rewards. Just bot Artillery accounts.
But I could not really understood why. I posted on Reddit and WG discord, but most people thought me crazy! :) But this explains it, flooding SPGs to get one on the other team!
It also explains some strange games where your team just looses, without reason everyone explodes - and other team has a guy doing 6-8k damage! Probably I played with a guy doing the same damage from time to time, but you notice when you get F:ed easier then when your team benefits!
Anyway. Thanks for the replay and nice that someone finally brings this issue to the WG table! GG!
At first I thought maybe this cheat pulls some extra data from the server that could unintentionally be used to locate people, but if this relies on multiple people having the mod then the data is sent to a third party server outside of wargaming control then this is horrendous because there’s nothing to patch as the only thing wargaming can do to is ban the accounts.
I’m not trying to be mean but with all due respect if you’re concerned about the mod becoming widespread then why are you advertising it on this video and explaining how easy it is to get multiple accounts in the same game, then suggested it could be done on NA? What is the purpose of showing the general public this? What are we supposed to do about it other than them seeing it and potentially wanting to download the mod now, since the more people that download it the more effective it becomes. “Spreading awareness” can only do so much.
Yeah NA server already has enough problems, we don't need accurate cheaters to...
So, you are aying you would rather NOT KNOW, and be blissfully IGNORANT???
It works by having at least one client owned by the cheater on the enemy team, and then that client relays the information of tank locations to the cheater’s client, but this only works if the allies are within radio range of the idle client. So yeah, you’re right, they can only ban accounts, or some kind of program-signature matching method to ban the cheat itself.
You could start a business like that, you could silently grind accounts all the way to unicum-status with the help of the cheat, and then get some reward tanks and then sell them.
It's much better to expose vulnerabilities like this because now wargaming has WAY more incentive to work on solving this problem than if Daki and other content creators were to keep it in the dark.
@@Hello-uv3nz WG is already aware of this problem. This collusion attack is the same method that riggers use to rig marks. Chems is right, the only solution is to ban the accounts and since WGNA does fuck all about riggers, they will probably do fuck all about the cheaters. As long as multi boxers can drop in all at once, this problem will not go away because each box can talk to every other box outside of WGs control. WG had years to work up a solution to this exact type of collusion attack and they ignored it. If I were you, I would temper my hopes they come up with a solution now because this isn't an EU problem (well maybe late night) and they abandoned the NA server years ago.
I sent a replay to WG (NA) bc the same thing happened to me on 2 separate games, blind fired to death without being spotted from multiple different locations. WG (NA) said "You don't need to send us a replay" and left it at that.
Fuck, I've recently come back to the game and we started the game in strong hold, on tier VIII, and without a spot, no one had a spot, neither me nor anyone else, and I get a shot in the side , in a place where no one shoots blindly, it's crazy strange, I dig up a replay and it was completely incomprehensible ,
I explained to myself that maybe I just didn't know something , but fuck this game, I left it when they introduced BZ rocket idiocy and other premium OP shit! I went back to wot stupidly, but now I'm deleting it from my computer for good, Daki o7
sad to see this is a thing...
thanks daki for taking this in account! :)
regards, mjrd
Yeah I got hit with this cheat a year or two back, got arty focused in an SU 130. Found another replay where it seemed the same players did the same thing to an ELC at the time and sent it all to WG. Because I left the battle early and restarted the client I never had the players' unanonymised names though.
I think there was a way of finding out who you played against by looking at the logs from the replays but I have no idea if it still works, and yeah I can see its been a few years since the replay
@@jacobbalcer7913 I tried at the time with both replays but no joy. My second report seemed to get a better response than just that the software will pick up any cheats but it was probably just to shut me up
All you have to do is send a PM in the garage after the battle and their true user name shows up. You don't even have to SEND a message, just open the message box.
I've noticed in my last 10 games that the spotting mechanic is broken. I don't know how my tanks with 100% camo rating are being spotted and my tanks being destroyed in 10 seconds or less?
WG will do nothing.
This guy just rename his account, WG slap him in the face sayng "Dont make it too obious".
Nothing more will happen.
He already did rename his account too lol
Not how that works bro
lol
Ah, I remember seeing this cheat years ago (2017?), but at the time our thoughts were that it would be impossible to use as you had to get two active players on the opposite teams.
Looks like that day has come
Is this why i have been seeing minimum 2 arty in every single game lately? 🤔
yo wtf good point
You are correct. SPG bots. I made a complaint to WG 24th June. From my post above: "For a few days I noticed a sudden increase in number of SPGs per game, from 1 or 2 - and sometimes 0 - to mostly 2 or 3.", "I sent a replay of an obvious bot artillery game where we had 2(!) bot SPGs on our team (Looks funny when they act like one!) and some pictures of account info to WG. Result : Nothing! :)" GG
I like it.
I appreciate everything which makes arty hater faces red and boiling.
No one needs this toxic minirity. They just make the game bad for everyone else.
I remember encountering one cheater in my game a month or two ago on Ghost Town, landing hits on unspotted people in the field, across the map, etc. 10K in dealt damage alone, reports were sent in with replays, no clue what happened to the player, but hopefully ended up for the positive.
Got blind fire 4 times in a battle couple of weeks back by same player even after relocating everytime I poked I took a hit from T54 sixth sense never went off T54 did 10k and 8 kills only 2 other players in his team did over 1.5k
1 blind fire i can cope with, even 2 if i don't move quick enough (i am a bad player 48+ win rate) With my winrate to get to 50% i need 40k games with a 52% winrate. Will never happen.
But cheating to improve it or get marks (i don't care about them) is just not in my playbook. I just want fun when playing, and do my best.
Also if you sometimes play tier 5 (late in the night) look out for the rogue excelsior.(goes to the rand of the map, drowns or is a suicide tank)
I guess sending replay to wg is the only solution here
@@erikaverink8418 Excelsior?! i can confirm that
There are definitely people using this on NA, don't run into it often but when it does happen its really obvious because the person blind shooting you (and others) doesn't miss much as Daki highlights in the vid.
I've faced this cheat several times recently. I'm a ~3k wn8 player with 80k games that played since launch, and I agree this is worrying. Also as a programmer with a masters degree in distributed systems, I can tell you that this is really easy to do if you have one player on each team with the same cheat. I think ever since the game was new, this sort of map hack has been available but only as mini map indicators or really simple indicators on screen of where the tank might be. But lately with all the money being poured into the dark side of this game, it was only a matter of time before something sophisticated came on the market.
I have to add that this is essentially what pak0.pak did for Quake 1 in the 90s and ruined the game for everyone.
So basically what you are saying is that both player are sending location of their teammates and the cheat have their own server rendering those location on client side of game? But the cheat wont work if one of the team is not using this cheat.
@@fusion8907 Yeah that would be the easiest way to do it, so I'm pretty sure that's what's going on. So it has to be at least one player on each team with the mod for it to work. But as Daki says, what these guys usually do is to insert bots into the queue while playing so that there will almost always be like a bot arty or something on the other team.
I have seen a few replays where someone was spotted at the start of the game, and people were saying that it was a WG glitch. I am wondering if it is actually a clue that someone on the enemy team has a cheat mod. There was a replay on Claus's channel of premiumammoavoider where he was spotted right at the start of the game, and was continuously spotted through the game. I might have to rewatch that game.
Just another reason not to play this game….😡
Well that sucks. I think I was a victim of one such gamer recently. I recall loosing my mind trying to figure out how I was getting owned in a safe position and while moving away without being spotted. This would seem to fit well.
This makes me wanna quit this game forever. Sadge
I don't think that's a good reason. Nowadays, you have cheats in all games but World of Tanks is still pretty good in this case compared to all popular games in my opinion
правильно не играй в эту помойку
@@Mart1nvo sorry man, against this kind of less of secured ambient it is the best actuation against the "no action taken" from developers regarding the issue... Let say that: if one mounth no one buy something from WoT maybe some developers open their eyes
that thing also happened to me a few times, I was getting blind fire very consistently even though I was relocating to not obvious positions at all but I brushed it off thinking I was just extremely unlucky, I would never have imagined that such cheat even exists in the world of tanks
We dont need any mods in this game. Lots of useful things from the modpacks are implemented in the game in every update, letting the door open for other mods only helps cheating. WG is enough playing with us, MM and RNG included. We dont need to help other cheaters.
The major modpacks all comply with the Wargaming fair play policy. Many game improvements come from mods and mod packs. Without the influence of mods, WoT would have the same poor quality user interface that it had in 2012.
Exactly. Banning all mods wouldn't kill all cheats but nevertheless a great deal of them.
But the pb, it seems, is mods makers are among WG devs.
I have a question: Even if I tell my buddy on the enemy team that someone is on B4 for example, how is it possible that he shoots at him with so much precision?
A question remains : why do arties send packets of the entire teams' positions ?
How was that not an intentional features made by WG ?
One fix I know @chems would agree with :
DELETE ARTILLERY
Thanks Daki for this awareness video
any player's client has the information of the team's positions, not just arty.
@@mzfnaw so why do these cheats take profit of arty accounts ? Only because they're the least obviously AFK ?
@@rocket2739 Basically, there is very limited amount of arties in the que at any moment of time of any class in the game. Especially during nigth hours/early morning when server population is around 5-7K. To get into match during night hours one who plays arty must wait at least 2-4 minutes for matchmaker to start a match for there are between 11-22 arties in the que. Therefore statistically speaking it's the most likely to enter a game when 'your arty on enemy team' is present vs a cheater using any other class. IDK if it makes sense, but hopefully you understand the principle.
(Of course nobody gives a fuckle about arty being AFK or basically just pretending to be active for they are not at the front lines and one might always just say, yes the arty damage was low because bad RNG. Nothing fishy here)
I quit playing wot about a year and half ago because I was getting matches like this frequently where I never got spotted, never shot, didn't sit in popular bushes. There was simply no way they could have known I was there. Couple that was the horrendous rng where you never pen when fully aimed at weak spots mean while others are flying around snap shooting you from over half way across the map perfectly hitting you every time. I was fed up with it.
many thanks for the video. now I understand why I take so many blindshots lately and on the positions where nobody would normally try to blindfire. This is reason why the gameplay feels more frustrating these days. people play like they do not care and then there is more and more cheaters. I hope the situation gets better soon.
But if you kill the arty in your team will it stop providing data for the enemy cheater?
I remember as far back in 2015 someone uploaded a video of a mod he made showing the position of the enemy team on the mini map. It didn’t show the them as boxes or missing bushes as we saw in this video.
I think I may have come across this in NA. I kept getting blind shotted weeks ago, at first I thought it was luck but then I drove back to a completely different position and was also hit.
Thank you Daki for talking about it and making sure WG sees this and eventually dosomething about it!❤
I think there is more to it than just having two mates chatting on both teams because that doesn't account for the accuracy.
Even before you spoke about the end stats you can see in game that not a single shot is missing the target. That's pretty impressive when the targets can be seen and nigh on a miracle for blind shooting, even if the positions show up on the map simply because of the way that the mechanics of the game work. When there is no target, the game mechanics can only guess where you are aiming 3 dimensionally. It can analyze your aim up and down; left and right, but it cant work out distance.
I encountered a similar situation on the Asia server over a year ago, before I relegated the game to the bottom drawer.
I was on Abbey in a TD with excellent view range and cammo. The first blind shot I took, I shrugged off as I was in an obvious sniping position. The second shot I received raised my suspicions, so I moved to an obscure position and got hit again. By this point there was no doubt in my mind that there was yet another, new level of cheating happening on the Asia server.
I encountered this too, was playing grille 15 on steppes, never got spotted the entire game, yet this one rinoceronte has hit me a sum of 4 times while I was standing out of bushes in completely un-blindable positions.
I think the old cheat, the one that shows you are overexposed and enemies are able to hit you is extremely impactful too. too many times I see people instantly reacting when I sneak up on them and still aiming on their sides and while im done they already aiming back at me.
what a sorry state this shit game is in. this cheat gonna completly ruin the game.
Yes, cheating is a problem. But i would argue that the toxicity from WoT players is a much bigger problem.
For instance, the TVP that is the author of the replay started calling the light tank bad as soon as he died.
Very helpful video, keep up the good work your channel is pretty dope ! ! !
As a blindfiring addict AND frequent arty player as well, who frequently gets fanmail about "u be cheatin", I now feel actually scared of receiving punishment randomly, from complaints done by inhabitants of typical/obvious positions being taken seriously.
Meanwhile knowing where an enemy is without "spotting" is just normal gameplay in war thunder. Tanks always remain visible, even if they're obstructed and even in arcade if you haven't spotted them to light up their nametag.
At first it's like "Damn those were some lucky blind hits!"
after the first 5 it's like "this is too suspiciously accurate"
We see this an ASIA, very sure of it. Lots of very “lucky” shots. I thought it was the old “aim bot” cheaters. Don’t know if that’s still a thing, but some of the shots? Cupola at 300m on the move? Happens. Luck? If it was once. But it’s noticeable that there is a lot of “luck” happening.
I play mostly nights in Asia... Lot of shit going on! :)
Happens on NA too, Not so much this blind firing mod, But guys using the laser method with tundra cheats to triangulate and tag a tank
Well, this explains a lot. I've had this happen to me, blind-shotted even after I relocate and the 6th sense never goes off. And teammates getting killed with no explanation. I uninstalled the game the other day because players are so bad as it is and I was getting shot up in multiple games with no explanation as to how.
That not surprising, yesterday my friend peaked onto a dude who had 3 guys close to him yet he literally turned around waiting for my friend and there was nothing he broke on the way, on Poland they did some video about it as well.
I died in such way a week ago on NA, stopped playing for 4 hrs as I thought it was me and it was the usual off peak na issues but I recall chatting with another player who also had been killed unspotted so thank you for solving that mystery Daci. How could wargaming even tackle this ?
Its actually quite simple but its going to take WG YEARS to figure this doozy out.
All they have to do is take the IP of the suspected cheater and link it with other devices trying to connect to the suspected cheaters IP from a different location. Thats litterally how botting works. OR. If its a solo cheater Just watch the auto aim. Your mouse leaves the center of screen when aiming at something through the auto aim.
The bush blinds can happen with a bit of luck and a lot of experience.
But the open field blind shots are crazy and the shot/hit ratio is way to insane.
its probably a bit difficult to detect bots since so many players are so bad that they seem like bots. there are also "laser" cheats that draws a beam from the gun so you know where everyone is aiming so that you can keep safe.
You send all these evidence to wg support and they will send back the usual automated messgae saying "ye man we have system to detect cheater and they will get banned so stfu and stop contacting support we are not getting paid enough to give a fuck"