1:03:28 The game I was talking about is no longer under NDA, and is called Project Cold War. I’ve been playing it since the first play tests were available, it’s pretty good (for now) feel free to look it up to hear what other people have to say about it.
can confirm, it's quite different to wot in a lot of ways, but also similar enough to easily switch from one to the other. it most likely won't be nearly as p2w, if at all, which is amazing.
The booster arguement is sometimes used in warthunder but over on our community it’s more like a joke, not a serious conspiracy only cause u can go one game really well and the next u keep getting one shot 3 times in a row hahaha. We know it ain’t real but we gotta have some fun haha
Incredible attention to detail, quality. Other youtubers uploading battles from Twitch because they don't even want to record a new video on YT, and what you create here are completely different standards. Congratulations, keep it up.
Only a few days ago I realised Chems is the only WoT youtube channel with videos I will rewatch and be entertained every time. I only found out about Chems because of the Skill4ltu drama, which really opened my eyes to what sort of person Skill is, and made me realise how good Chems content is.
AW is a lot of fun, I still go back now and again to play some tanks with less stress than WoT. I haven't pplayed WoT in over a year, the other day I reinstalled it just to see and it let me play against bots for a number of matches to "warm up". Who knew the bots play better than the actual teammates I usually get? lol
in case you are wondering, kajzoo and dakillzor did contribute to this video, but i noticed a lot of people talking about a "claus" person, i don't know where this idea is coming from, but he is not involved with this video at all.
they are referring to Claus Kellerman. He is a Canadian WoT CC. His voice can be heard on this video at 1:54 to 2:04 talking about Russian Bias; 14:42 to 15:00 talking about CCs getting special RNG, you even responded with "aren't you a CC?"; How could you not know who Claus is, but yet know that he is a CC?
@@jasonpenn5476 Yeah and a lot of his comments were taken out of context. Oh and if you have played the game since Day 1 you know that Russian bias was a thing for a long time and that German tanks was always getting the shorter end of the stick. That being said, great vid.
I am 39 years old, who played alot of games and watched a looot of youtube videos, this , this might be the best articulated, explained and created video on youtube. Congratulations my friend, and as a humble suggestion, you should create more because obviously you are an artist
Artist is an insult to Chems. Most artists can't grasp logicalness or even logic itself, which mathematics is at its core. Only the greatest of the greats like Leonardo da Vinci combine these traits.
I just noticed, that in your video on equipment, at the end, you showed ,,list of things Chems said that turn out to be true", one of the things is WoT will die on 30. November 2023. And this will drop in the same exact date. You have planned it from the beginning, didn't you?
As your channel is one of the reasons I started playing the game in the first place I now realise that most things are not there anymore... they were not there for years actually
Average users in WoT are just NPCs for the servers. And I always yell at my screen when CCs sold to Warscamming say that you need to get skill. Sure, I bet they also have skill when they play at a casino... Everything is rigged in this software. I don't say "game", only "software". A game is meant to be fun and rewarding or pleasant. All those things that you never find in World of Scams...
i think the russsian bias came from the time where wot was still only 4-5 nations. Back then for example a tier XI T54 med had a 500mm ring arround the tank. I think things like these fired the russian bias up
Russian bias comes from easy of use that russian tanks provide (or used to) and really tricky real life physics that russian engineers used and abused when making those tanks.
@@teemumiettinen7250 we're talking old-school like 10+ years ago when the concept spaced armor on the sides of those heavies absorbing heat shells seemed crazy. That release version of the v4 is more an example of modern world of tanks when they release a new tank/tech tree that stands out for their own nation as well the rest of the game. (ebr, bz, chieftan are other examples)
I am playing with sconq and i miss many shots,i play with 277 feels more acurate than that sconq,i play with leo 1 missing shots arty bouncing my shoots but my stb 1 hits everything when i play with it,explain this.
To be fair, when QB said they paid 4400 dollars it is more rational to think that he wasnt aware of the Argentinian loop hole than to assume that he intentionally lied to his audience.
44:05 Quite frankly, this reminds me of something: When Apple introduced random music selection in their music player, it was truly random. That means that the same song can come again right after it was played. People reacted negatively and said this isn't random. So Apple made their random selection less random by preventing the same song to be played for a few songs and people reacted to it positively AND though it's more random.
yeah cause most people never really think about true random numbers or random generation. well I've studied this in my university times, also a bit of a math head and I gotta tell you rng in wargaming games is NOT random :D I play tons of board games with true random generator which is the dice, but in WOT to this day I've noticed so much manipulation it's almost fake advertising that they're doing
@@MasterOvPuppetz What kind of manipulation? All of those alleged "manipulations" are simple misunderstandings of randomness and concepts like the law of truly large numbers. If you've really studied those topics then you should be fully aware of what I'm talking about. Combine that with psychological biases that Chems talks about and you get your percieved "manipulations".
@@rain-uw9ju oh low wtr players bouncing enormous numbers of shot, always bouncing at least one last hit, insane 100% hits bouncing off something absurd or a gun taking 1% of the screen), snap shots at max range or weakspots. and as well as I'm aware that they're all technically possible, considering them AND 25% built in official RNG to me the game is a joke I don't even find interesting to discuss anymore. I've just seen too much shit to be naive and believe there's no algorithm preferring weaker players. also matchmaking is... a different story.
Im not conspiracy theorist but for 12 years in WoT my 2 cents. As someone who was 2500wn8 avg and 60-65% wr per sesion (peak overal climbed 57% in 30k battles) struggle to maintain in last 2-3 year 50% wr. My sessions are like 40-50% mostly while my wn8/wot rating or whatever is pretty good. My overall dropped to 54-55% and still declines. Old tanks which i dont play anymore with 500-1000 battles are around 60% wr. In last 2-3 years im happy if tank reach 50%. Something is fishy there.
You almost got me to install that game again. But then I remembered what playing 10 bottom tier matches every afternoon after work felt like: Stockholm Syndrome. the dread of knowing the other flank will inevitably collapse while you have to do the wobble wobble cupola snipe ridgeline dance. Oh god, I think my PTSD is flaring up.
Yeah I had a couple of noobs in my battle a few days ago and they kept following me. They allowed the enemy tanks to flank us because they didn't stay where they could watch our backs while I fought the more dangerous tanks. We lost the entire battle because the two noobs made that mistake. They both had less than 500 battles.
Just uninstalled. Had a session few days ago with a platoon mate and increased my wr. Very next session win 2 out of I and immediately right back to where I am. Insane misses, insane bounces, bot-like teammates, etc. The thing is this situation of getting a losing session immediately after a winning session has happened consistently many many times. Anytime my wr goes beyondna certain level it's an immediate losing streak. So I'm done.
This video does not prove that the WoT is not rigged. Only that there is a possibility it is not rigged. As the author doesn't have the actual game code they have server side.
@@alittlebitintellectual7361it's pretty insightful into the wot community and how much bulshit they can come up with to make themselves feel better lmao
@@theBhavMan You do have a point... a lot of players, especially unicums, compare win rate of other players without understanding that you can be destroyed and still win, or survive and still lose. They also fail to understand that you can be a good player that constantly gets stuck on horrible teams, or a bad player who primarily gets good teams. Basically, they are using win rate to determine how good of a player you are, but win rate is a poor indicator of how good a player really is. Win rate is determined by the teams you are on, and not by the player themselves.
@@mike82y I have seen multiple "unicums" in ingame chat calling other players trash based off the win rate (not wn8). And you just reiterated what I have already said, you can have a great win rate and be a shitty player, but you can also be a great player and have a shitty win rate.
I would be more interested in Kisly's patent - where good players get their RNG nerfed when engaging against bad players and vice versa to level the gap in skill somewhat in order to prevent bad players from being discouraged and rage quitting WoT forever, or the theory that your RNG is set at the start of the battle which results in games where you hit all your shots, even poorly aimed ones, and the contrary situation where you keep missing from 5 meters or bouncing 100% pen shots.
I am playing since 2012 and its true if i have terrible RNG its means MM want us to lose and I play way more carefully and tell teammates to be more carefully because we are set to loose.
@@gameclips5734 it does make sense though and it would be a good idea for WG to implement from the business perspective. It's just terrible for good players and makes the game maddeningly frustrating at times. But if I were WG I would totally implement any technical tweaks to retain players since it directly impacts sales.
Clause's conspiracy rants are damn funny. Theres also no way hes not just doing it for entertainment value. He's got a good sense of humour about himself, something that seems to be getting rare lately. Its also why he did some voiceover for this vid.
Something i'd like to add to add to the whole booster myth. I don't play WoT but i know similar situations from War Thunder. Once you activate one of those really big boosters, which an f2p player will rarely get, it almost seems like the entire enemy team knows about it and just comes after you exclusively. And while i did often have this experience, it's just that this situation isn't exclusive to the times where you use a booster. I think that the biggest problem with boosters is the promised reward. Let's say you use a 500% booster. Really big payout, especially if you do well that game. But (in the case of WT) since it only lasts one game, you become hyperfocused on maximizing your profit. This has you trying to perform pretty much every action that gives you currency as much as possible, like killing players. But you become so focused on hunting down players and killing them as fast as possible, that you will most likely not see the enemy player who just pulled up behind you. And once the round is over, you're frustrated because, even with the booster, you barely made anything. And all of that, just because you didn't play optimally, but decided to maximize your payout.
Use a big booster in War thunder Team goes braindead It's probably a coincidence but God damn I can almost guarantee it secretly puts you with the biggest retards against the best players it can find
Yeah, the way our behavior changes because we popped a booster is something he didn't touch on that has an impact too. Then again, impossible to quantify through mathematical means.
2 points from a WOT beta veteran. 1. Re evaluate the game stats from WHEN the "RU is OP" claim was coined, ie. the early days when there were only 3-4 nations.. 2. Evaluate the RU RNG values for bouncing enemy fire or enemy shots doing nothing, critical damage received vs dealt. camo and spotting ratings. Essentially look into the play by play bias, not the total stats. Bonus, show the stats before and after the Type 59 was introduced, then after it was nerfed. Super bonus, look at when the Bat Chat was added.... those days caused many broken keyboards. Great vid.
id start with GAME MECHANICS advantages that USED to be given to Ru machines - most notably the magically chosen "overmatch mechanic" that was "somehow" set up that guns on German or US side couldnt make use of it most of the time while "SOMEHOW" the armor values for side and roof armors on non USSR tanks were always right in the overmatch sweetspot of the russian 122 or 152mm guns magically had just right caliber to always go through where non USSR 120mm or 150mm guns would not ... while the BLATANT RU bias of old times when Serb was in charge is long since gone, some of this legacy is still in the game
Easily one of the Top 3 best videos you’ve ever made. - Tbh you’re the reason I started my WoT channel to (eventually) create content on the Match maker, Maps, tank designs, and other discussion topics. It’s so refreshing to see that there are people with solid critical thinking skills creating content in this largely NPC player base.
@@markin2067 I mean... he said he doesn't have a CC account on WOT but he is a WOT content creator. I am just pointing out what I think they meant instead of them actually misunderstanding, or not watching the video
23:00 I noticed this with the UDES (t8 medium) and a few other tanks where you'd go to the top gun and despite it having worse accuracy and gunhandling it hits far more consistently. Never knew there was a term for it. 32:50 Also I'd argue that matching up tank types is far more important than matching up skill levels.
I'm not claiming that mercy shots are real, however part of the argument for them is that it's concealed in a far more complex and sinister manner. It's not just damage that you lowroll, it's also penetration rolls AND accuracy rolls. The claim is that first you are more likely to miss, second that you are less likely to pen and third that you are less likely to roll high. Looking at just the damage doesn't fully cover the mercy shot claim.
You are right, it isnt rigged. Its just a really bad designed, gready and unfair game. Profitting from gambling and abusing the poor decision making of some people. Those problems every one has, every day in wot arent calculated or anything, its just a retarded game design, that makes you suffer. So dont cry and just leave the game
40:26 I didn't actually know there was a *rotation* of maps. I mean, I guess I had heard that somewhere, but I didn't realize I was being cycled through the same set of maps on purpose.
36:45 "shadow nerfs" are just people getting used to fighting those tanks and learning their weaknesses which makes them lose their "element of suprise"
@@ziginaigra if it wasn't actually nerfed/bufed yeah the thing is you may feel like the tank got better because you got better at the game too or it could feel like its worse just because you are not as lucky anymore
Absolutely excellent video Chems! Your portion on the Grille's accuracy and bloom is something everyone needs to see. My tiny little UA-cam channel gets zero attention in comparison, but I've tried to explain the hard stats vs soft stats. Nice to see all the work you've done to show hard data over large sample sizes. Thanks for all the effort and dedication I know went into this. Had to take a lot.
-23:08-- sigma value means z-score, not standard deviation, it's basically standard deviation normalized against mean. For example, to get the same distribution (identically looking curve) for 0.2 and 0.4 accuracy values, the standard deviation for 0.4 has to be higher to compensate for the higher mean.- Edit: I was wrong. The above applies to damage calculation, not to shot distribution. Still, the shot spread definitely does NOT follow normal distribution, as mention by Overlord_Prime in his document. And term "sigma" is used because it is established in WoWs.
A very interesting and well structured argument. There is one itch to scratch though. If the definition of Rigging is, "The game manipulated by dishonest means" then the null is, there is no evidence in the data to support this. At 33:10 a statement is made, the MM does attempt to influence the result by moving the player(s) to be top or bottom tier. Does the game tell the player this? Is changing the match parameters to either help you win or lose transparent and honest? Going back to the null, if after the MM tier adjustment is made is there evidence that the win rate of the players moves up or down? Would that meet the stated criteria? The answer may well lie in Behavioural Game Design. I can't post links without UA-cam deleting the comment but it is easy to find. The hypothesis being WG wish to manipulate the result to create a 'schedule' for the player. Such as the daily challenges, e.g. win 4 games.
the winsxwn8xdamage is a very poorly chosen metric. Wn8 already includes damage and win rates featured prominently in its equation. wn8 is modified to explicitly shape its expectations of performance on the actual outcomes of games. It has to support your question. Kind of like saying the scale is correct because it measures your weight as the same amount as a machine that is based on the readout of the scale to verify its correctness. It's right because you have defined it as correct. (I was a contributor to wn8 btw, so am familiar with the subject for what that is worth.)
@@harryshuman9637 That's exactly what it is not. Its backed by data. Yours by assumptions. Just because something is patented doesn't mean that it is being used. Corporations do that all the time to reserve the right to it.
@@Badly1000 Just make fully working mechanic that was based and created directly to work with WOT, applying it would bring you tons of money but you trash all work simply patenting it for no reason to never use it in any games you make (they just dont make any games). Yeah why not looks like something WG would do, they love their audience so much, just myths of them doing good for players for no real reason. Oh yeah, another 15/3 match right after 3/15 lose, how unbiased and absolutely not rigged.
One thing you forgot about is the massive advantage p2w mechanics give, that being having access to the best tanks in the game just by default having better pen/ shell velocity having better crews better equipment directives and so on. Those base stat advantages in a largely rng based game make for a massively different gameplay experience then any non 100k games free to play player could ever experience. Other then that great vid
@@juanzulu1318wrong. no way a f2p can achieve that.. You are talking about one occasional match but they would never reach the same level at same point in time. firstly they would need to focus on very few tanks as they continously get less crew XP. Secondly, f2p will simply not have enough credits for continuous use of premium ammo, food, directives etc so their gun will mostly have worse RNG. 3rd, they won't be able to access all OP premium tanks that exists nowadays and are in every single match. Basically in theory, P2W is pay to cheat to get better than others, not by skills but similar as doping like in sports.
IT depends. If you're better at the game, yuo get more wins, more damage, which nets you more credits per game. F2P and being shit at the game is a really bad combination. F2p with a good player is doable. But paying 10 bucks a month on average makes the game so much more convenient its dumb not to pay it, if you play a lot.@@izznix
@@izznix yes, the grind is longer. But this wasnt the topic. A f2p player has all the options in a match as all the other players. Neither is wot rigged nor are f2p players treated unfairly in a match.
@@izznix F2P player can use these things occasionally. P2W player can use them constantly. For example, if I was a P2W player, there are hardly any vehicle with which I would bother at all to carry any non-gold ammo. I´d just load full gold into each battle. I have done that a few times when I had some prem time, and it makes the game SO MUCH easier if you dont have to decide whether to fire gold or not. Let alone the fact that some guns have prem ammo that has literally 0 downsides (4example standard AP vs better gold AP, or APCR vs better APCR). And that doesnt even take into account the elephant in the room - the constant powercreep of the newest premium tanks. Look at tier VIII, about 90% of standard "silver" tanks are completely outmachted by the previous strongest gold VIII, and 100% of them are completely outmatched by the current one, and if this one will be outmatched by the next one. Look just at the BZ. It is a VIII tier that is not just comparable to most IX tiers, but outright comparable to some X tiers.
One thing id like to add to the grille thing: -the grille has abbismal shell velocity on ap and heat, and the way aiming works makes it so if youre leading a target, then according to the game youre just aiming further away than where the target will be, therefore the shell will look like it misses by alot, when in reality it may not deviate by that much, but the arch of the low velocity shell cause it to go further away than where you wanted to aim (i hope what i said is understandable, it would be better if i could draw or smth).
Nailed it. The game automatically compensates for shell drop based on where you're aiming, so if you're trying to lead a shot with a low-velocity gun on a skylined target, you're almost certainly going to miss. Even on flat ground, you have to aim low at the dirt a few hundred meters behind the target to trick the game into giving you the ballistic arc you need.
Its one of the ways that war thunders mechanics are better; the shell is just a parabolic arc, with a bit of deviation set at the start, rather than some code trying to 'help' you by working out what youre trying to hit first.
23:40 the term sigma also comes from an actual “named” value World of Warships uses which I’ve noticed also started being used for WOT to describe standard deviation. For example the Japanese ships tend toactively have better sigma values than the other nations
I use to be a clan Fugitives long ago and one of the leaders was on the wot website and wot posted a page pretty much saying that bad players get a little bit better rng. Another member log in and saw it but the page was taken down pretty quickly. It was talked about for a while in the clan. No one was surprised cause we kind of already new. I can normally call a game based on what rng is doing in the first 2-3 minutes of play. I have a 99.8 percent accuracy in calling a game based on that. I also normally know whats going to happen. ie what module is going to get damage. Its like clock work. When you take a well aim shot into the ass end of a tank that might have 55mm armor with a gun that is 250mm pen on the worst shot bounces or my fav crit hit with no damage when it matter and it happens way to many times its either rigged or the mechanic is so broken that wg refuses to fix it.
This video is undoubtedly the greatest video you have made made and is a must watch for ALL WOT players. Your hard work will pay off. This video will reach over a million views, guaranteed
Its not that great, if he wanted to truly question Russian bias then he needed to check game from beginning, (not last 2 years,) if he wanted to check CC and streamers, then he needed to check their MM (if they have better MM then rest of players, then they dont anything else) and so on....
@@SadMadBadBoro So are you saying that there was Russian bias from the beginning and wargaming decided to change sometime after? and the part about the MM how is that related to Russian bias and RNG for their guns?
@@CodeB_4cpp Game had different priorities from the beginning until current state, now is pure money grabbing with more and more retarded meta crap (just look Mountain pass version now,) all i said is that if someone want to analysis bias, than u need to check that topic from beginning and compare for instance Germany versus Russian tanks, all that T-22, 279, 268v4, 907 and rest OP tanks from one side to another (WT e100) and so on... Potential special MM has nothing to do with rng, only with topic about special treatment for CC and streamers, if they have that, then all other real or imaginary bonuses is not important at all...
@@SadMadBadBoro ok lets forget about any form of bias several years ago since we cant prove it. He just proved that there was none in the past 2 years. So can we agree on that?
@@CodeB_4cpp How can we not prove it? IMO its not so hard. Ofc we can agree that there is no clear bias in near past, but game from the start did have some things thats he referred to, like silent nerfing (Lowe was OP after released, then they silently nerfed him after 2 weaks or so,) ok now they dont do that so obviously, but that doesnt mean that they didnt do such a things in the past or that they dont do that now at all...
For someone who didnt get taught statistics in uni its solid i guess. But honestly its not that incredibly well made. (e.g. for the second part I dont think a z-test would be correct to use. Im no expert tho). Interestingly enough the p-values are actually surprisingly low (for the common alpha of 0.05 in psychology the difference between chems and daki would be significant in fact). But its debatable what alpha should be used here anyways. My biggest pet peeve is that he said the null-hypothesis is true, while all we can say is that we cant reject it. (Also there are way to many confounding variables to really make a valid point anyways.)
@@Oerwing Thats a certified bruh moment right here. Just out of curiousity, did you hear anything about the null-hypothesis before this video? Cuz it really seems like you didnt.
@@ntray3729 yep I did hear about it before. But I dont see whats the bruh Moment here. You pointing out to me (and maybe explain more than just saying im wrong) where im mistaken exactly, would be helpful.
Sorry to say but statistics course you got through getting that Psychology degree had not even covered 25% of information and understanding about given topic in comparison to statistics course during a data science/analytical/engineering degree. He lowered the alpha to 0.01 to test game mechanics in "hardest scenario".@@Oerwing
@@ukasztaflinski4618 im totally aware, that psychology tends to use more liberal alpha-values. And maybe I shouldnt have mentioned it, as it is somewhat arbitrarily chosen anyways. And by no means I think im an expert in statistics. However from how chems talked about the Test and Conclusions I just got the feeling he isnt either (if he happens to have studied data-science or a related field he does know more about statistics than me. I just know hes a wot UA-cam, nothing more about him.).
I don’t get the hate towards EU player base. I’ve seen plenty of NA players in games who straight up shit talk about EU players calling us names, like why?
@@mihaivo_ I'm part of the EU playerbase, I'm not referring to the players, just the EU forum members who literally lose their minds if you suggest there could be anything wrong with the game lol
Meh. I thought it was already "proven" that matchmaking is "rigged" to force players to the desired 50% wr. Not just for WoT but for basically all games with MM. This is just a "player retention mechanic". FTP games depend on this. As a high skilled player I always get the "redacted" teams and am forced to carry or lose the game. I am almost always teamed up against more experienced players compared to the players in my team. And I face more platoons/squads than my team has. I am not making this up. Good players have to work hard to get a wr above 60% (let alone 70%) while "redacted" players basically just have to play to get into the 45-50% zone because players like me get/keep them there. Basically the rewards for being good = stress/frustration/anger. Also, you just took damage into account for mercy shots and not accuracy and/or penetration. It is more complex than just damage. War Thunder is a better example for this since you can also see the post penetration trajectory/damage. Absolutely wild amount of miracles happening in that game if you pay attention. It's not rng, it's a business model.
I witnessed first hand that rng can change. I was above average until i got into an "argument" with an in game mod (back in the day where you could shoot em for gold for the first time). After that day my shots simply missed, low rolls were the normal, damage blocked by armor was rare, matchmaking was basically always lowest tier. I must note that clanwars were unafected, there the rng was normal. I stopped playing long time ago. The account is still active so you can test if you want, maybe it will surprise you.
Went in for wargaming ramble, left with a life lesson. What a legend, love the vids. Please keep making them. I'll listen to anything, as long as it is by chems.
After 12 years of playing I can say that the game IS manipulated and it has gotten worse... there is a lot of video evidence on the Internet, direct shots that do not hit the target, shots that hit directly and that come from positions where THERE ARE NO TANKS... etc... Remember, it is a business and an increasingly ambitious one.
Highly respect the effort that went into this, and honestly, this stuff makes tons of sense - WG always has been about money, and to make money you need playerbase retention, especially when it comes to players that are rich or have at least SOME disposable income.
And some one takes a series of statistics and skews them for their point, welcome to the great success of bidenomics. You miss the guaranteed WG admitted bias for guaranteeing a player a win (after x# of battles) and even in their origional and updated patents and program listings it is there, where a player will (unless they are REALLY working hard to get below) never get below a 43~45% win rate.
As someone who has played WoTs for 10-11 years, thank you for opening my eyes. I've definitely felt like World of Tanks was rigged at times. I will definitely feel like it is rigged at times in the future, but then I will remember this video. Thank you.
It is rigged as hell. Had to turn off xvm-like mods cause the rng bullshit was making me burnout and quit wot a lot of times. I will never forget when i was the only guy not red or orange or just red players and me vs 11 purple and 4 blue players. This wasn't one battle, every 3-4 battles on average you got placed like this with 5%-20% win chance (btw 5% is the lowest possible). Nowadays i got ammoracked every 20 games of average (every 2-4 battles on russian X tiers), ammo rack damaged every 2-4 games, while i cannot dice roll to damage enemy ammo rack more than once every ~30 games or destroy someone with it more than once every hundreds of battles. I know most of the weakspots, tank eq placement etc. so it is mostly RNG issue. I played since ~2011; RNG of this game changed A LOT during all this years. Either you quit the game or play long enough to be on the WG RNG blacklist like me and propably you too.
I don't think there is any WOT player out there thinking this game is not rigged(with so obvious winning/loosing streaks of 7-8 games, come on...), so in case chems will demonstrate it, it would be welcomed. As many times said, people are keep playing this shit game because there is no good alternative on the market!!, NOT because they like it so much.
Only idiot wallet wariors thinks that wot is not rigged, i play same tank in 2 battles, in one i hit every pixel i aim in another i cant`t hit a fucking single shot, and f`course battle where i can`t hit a shit ends as defeat 15-1. Why the fuck rng controls do you hit or not when your`s reticle is fully aimed!? Why even bother to aim then?! Because all of that wg shitfest my last battle is over 9 months ago, fuck them and their shity "game".
Try again with the Object 477, that thing is 99% unimpenetrablefrom front and sides. To say "i have no problem pining the 477" is just wreckless, considering the vast majority of "real" players, not bots, are either Ftp and use a lower pen tank or use a premium with lower pen rate. I've been in games where 5 tanks have been on top of the 477 blasting it from all over and their shots would bounce while the 477 continued to pound out damage, no matter the angles.
Quick note on the Shadow nerfs. I think that the statistics (as win rate, wn8 and so on) can get worse a while after the tank is released. Why? Because casuals are continuing to play those tanks. I bet that the strongest of players jump into those tanks on release to get aces and 3 mark them as soon as possible and they move on, therefore they increase the high end of statistics on release, leaving average and weak players with those tanks a month or so after.
I have in fact a friend who works in gaming industry and he admits there is no fair online game. Even FPP shooters boosts new players accuracy due to fact that there is evidence showing bad first games = player never comes back. You have lots of wrong assumptions in the video. There is some player-, tank- specific RNG but it works only when targeting other player. Since you meet on battlefield good and bad players equal times you do not notice that there is in fact protection for some and nerf for others. This is called Dynamic difficulty adjustment and EA games changes even key responsivness for better players (search for their patented MM in the web). The assumption is good player needs a challange and bad needs help. There is nothing more importnat for comapny than to draw new players and keep player base as high as they can. There is no business in maintaining players who own noobs so noobs quit game (and they loose lots of customers). The other way of balancing players is by giving them less favourable positions more often. They have big data concerning maps and what tanks performs better in certain spots/maps. The better player is more often put in less favourable environement (like arty on himmelsdorf). Every map has two sides one of which is better for certain tank and worse player gets it more often. The best example of RNG nerfed tanks are Skorpion or Defender. Abundancy of those tanks made their influance on battle outcome too high so they nerfed their RNG a bit. Tanks are not nerfed when they are better but when they have too high impact in all battles overall (so if there is too many of them getting good results). Wargaming is not a charity and it's in their best interest to keep as many players as they can so nerf the best buff the weak. EVERY ONLINE GAME DOES THAT. But every player is subjected to this mechanism so it's equaly hard for every player to be Unicum but the better you are the harder battles become. And there is expected performance for every player in every battle so if you are good you are expected to perform for example with 1.5x efficiency comapred to avarage player. Oh and RNG changes every patch so you need to compare performance between every patch not during larger period like 6 months. The avarage is always the same but if you would draw Gaussian curve you would notice its too condensed in the middle which shows its artificially regulated to be that way..
I didn't watch the video and I can answer that. Yes. Whenever you see the score 0-4 for the enemy team and you wonder why all your fully aimed shots go around the enemy like in looney toons. That is the time you know, WOT said no to your team on that match. I recently had the worst kv2 game in my life. fully aimed, decked out crew 7 shots went into the ground, bounced on TD and even bounced on arty at close range. With gold ammo. Against tier 5. If WOT sais no, it is no.
I think the "soviet bias" myth came from old times, when accuracy was good, and you could have hit shots while moving on your extremely innacurate IS-3 or KV-1s
This is a very good analysis with some actual data, thank you for this The fact that nobody can even describe "rigging" in WOT and it's purpose in one logical way tells alot For me, as an engineer it's obvious that WOT isn't rigged, since these guys weren't able to match equal number of tiers / types for 4 years. So the idea of having this system from the start of the game to control: accuracy, damage, matchmaking, etc. to simply milk you for money. Yeah, right
I love when Chems makes valuable educational video that gives you more insight about Life than the game "masked" as a World of Tanks video. Thanks for being real Chems kuddos to you stay real as always!
He is missing the point.. If I change the results just by 0.15%.. Then over the amount wins\lose..Hit's\Damage.. etc...I can change the results of that player over time. WG knows this so they make sure to keep players at the 50% WR....
I think russian bias can be explained by different design philosophies. German tanks are usually big boxy blocks, you just have to load gold to pen. Russian tanks often smaller, have more armour on the side and plates are well angeled, you actually have to hit the weakspot to pen. Like for example obj 257 or Lt 420 and E75 or HWK.
I don't hear that myth anywhere near as much now as about 6 years ago when I started playing on console. Maybe there was some truth to it then, I don't know. You would have to dig up old statistic from years ago, assuming they still exist, and even then, it wouldn't have any relevance the current version of the game given how much has changed.
23:48 shouldn't that be attributed to kurtosis value instead of standard deviation, the smaller stdev you have the more accurate your shot is, whereas kurtosis measure the distribution of the center and tail of data values, i.e., here determining the distribution of accurate and inaccurate shots?
Last year the game got so toxic I had to stop playing... I was almost always in 15v1 or 15v2 games, there was no good balanced game in sight for a long time, and one day I had 27 games in a row with 2 wins!!! How is that statistically possible??? And I was at the top of my team with dmg and exp. I had a 10k WTR Rating, so I wasn't the problem. I don't play the game anymore but I still enjoy watching CC's play.
My god this has been such a banger! So well written and perfectly explained , with plenty of proof to back it up with. We really appreciate all the effort that you've put into this , and i truly hope this gets more recognition. W video chems
You missed the cursed tanks myth, or is there a myth like that? I always use it on my tanks. If i have two clone tanks, one gets 55% winrate and one stays at 20% for the same amount of games played. I call one of them my cursed tank :D
Great Video! I like the development of your channel and your personality as it is actually pleasan to watch - unlike playing the game itself. It seems that you are now just moderately trolling instead of being the incarnation of chaos and i actually like it. Ps: This (36:26) screenshot of the skin is kinda epic, isn't it?
yes, it is. i stopped playing the game because it's balanced +-2 on PC. wot is SUPERIOR ON CONSOLE, because the people who made the port, who actually know how to make games, implemented a +-1 tier balance, instead of +-2.
Tracking tank stats overtime is a poor method to discover a shadow nerf or buff after all you might've not been playing a tank well for a few days a few days later it might click and it gets better or you might have an even worse day and its worse problem is sites like tanks gg dig the numbers directly from the game files you can compare one patch to the next
I don't care what anyone says, there is Russian bias, and the game is rigged. Every game company does this (I know because I'm a game developer). They do it because it's proven time and time again make money, and get people to pay money. Ever notice when you're a winning streak, suddenly you get a bunch of tomatoes on your team, and you start hitting low on rolls consistently? It happens too consistently to be random, the pattern is there. It's easy enough to tweak this so people even looking for it have difficulty seeing it, and intelligent people, like Chems, are even easier to trick and manipulate, because if you tweak the ratios just right, you can hide it from people who only care about digging into the "facts" and "statistics". An example of this, is when he almost finds the truth of winning ratios at 4:00 mark, then asys, well.. that's also in line with how many tanks there are, and USSR has more, so naturally they're going to win more.. Well no, that's a logical fallacy and one many intelligent people like to bank on, which makes it easy to manipulate.. The reason why USSR has the most tanks, is because they are the easiest to win with, thus they make more tanks to sell in the USSR tree, USA being second because in Russia they think there is a USA bias (which there is to some degree). Germany and UK also get 3rd and 4th because those are also 2 very famous and important parts of the time frame, and they've been out longer than any other tech tree. That's not to say other nations don't have great tanks, they do. However, I still remember when I was first playing.. I played for a year and still "sucked" at the game. I was playing Germany. I then switched to Russian tanks, and my win rate sky rocketed from 30% to 70%, because the tanks were just that much easier to play. Things have since changed from 7 years ago though, a lot less new players, a lot more knowledgeable players, gold ammo now being accessible by silver, and other contributing factors to bring even in the bias and easy mode of USSR tanks into line, they are still easily, the most free win. Is WoT Rigged? of course it is.. EVERY multiplayer game today is rigged.. They will throw in a few extra terrible players on your team and stack teams slightly just enough to make a slight difference, but not enough to be in your face obvious, just enough to get you invested and upset to want to throw money or feel engaged, without making you quit. That's the sweet spot every game company goes for. From COD, to WoT, to League of Legends. It is beatable because its not jacked up to 110%, very good players can still overcome this to some degree, and its usually the very good players who will vouch it doesn't exist, while other sheep insist they must know what they're talking about because they're good players, thus, the perfect manipulation happens. Game companies have literally spent millions in researching manipulation like this, and it's become such a norm in the game industry nobody even thinks about it, they just do it, because it works, and they've figured out how to manipulate the players so completely while doing it.
well another thing i don’t think you’re factoring is that the countries with meta tanks and the most are reflective of their real life counter parts. in ww11 Germany really had a good lead in tank technology with the USA Russia and UK all trailing close behind. So yes you’re right that formula does sell but it’s also somewhat realistic to how it was in real life
I'm a pretty casual player games and idk maybe I'm buying into what they want me to think but I roll my eyes everytime when people complain about games intentionally giving "bad" teammates, not everyone is playing 100% cracked every game and if you don't want bad teammates then go play 1v1/singleplayer games.
@@camolot2102 I'm fine with bad teammates. Teammates who do little damage, doesn't use their abilities to their fullest extent, etc... I'm not talking about legitimately unskilled players. I'm talking about actually "Bad" players, players who yolo 1v3 solo then whine and cry on mic. Players who are constantly running off alone. Players who consistently refuse to work with the team. An unskilled player is fine.. A bad player is not, and there is no excuse for it, even being new is not an excuse.
@@Cramblit Welcome to meeting random people on a game, make sure to keep blaming the matchmaker for daring to put them onto your team instead of just letting them sit forever in que.
30:31 This was the frustration with making a 50 minute video about the matchmaker, and having people use this as a reason of "plausible deniability." It's just impossible to prove certain things about it, since it doesn't have trackable API to my knowledge, unless something like the tomato,gg mod can track the frequency of every tank in every single battle people have. Otherwise, things will forever remain a mystery (like whether WG makes one team first, then a team to """match""" or if it makes both at the same time). 56:04 hahaha there the mod. Fun fact, I actually told him to do "The dumbest mod I've ever used" or something similar, but he used that instead...
Did you say that the MM puts people low tier when they win too much? Well its rigged then. Isnt it? Still wondering how I end up as low tier no matter what. Perma low tier.
This video does not prove that the WoT is not rigged. Only that there is a possibility it is not rigged. As you don't have the actual proof of what game code they have server side. But the fact is undeniable that the bad luck and good luck streaks are suspicious in the game, and some of them are statistically close to impossible. The comments are funny tho, imagine the comments if you made a second video ''proving'' that Wot is rigged.
The simple fact that i stopped playing WoT like 2 years ago but this video helped me combat my friends "bias" beliefs from War Thunder is just so funny (like the Booster MM or CCMM), also amazing video, felt like watching a documentary lmao, great job chems
I don't understand why chems simply dismissed War Thunder like it's not a tank game even to talk about. I understand that many WoT-refugees complains about COMBINED matches where they get nuked by plantes, helis or drones but thats realistic warfare for you...
6:00 Russian BIAS is more of a War Thunder issue, where Russian tanks literally use different spalling mechanics. In WoT the goal of the devs is to squeeze maximum amount of money, so they casually jump from nation to nation when it comes to stuff like introducing new OP premium tanks.
I mean, okay. The maths do math. Still, when your aiming circle doesn't shrink despite having stood still for a long time, you're tracked twice in a row multiple times, you get uptiered many times in a row despite taking continuous Ls, your WR keeps plummeting but you are always bottom tier... can you really blame people for questioning the validity of the game?
48:51 OR.. Some people just try to hard when they activate Boosters and start making little mistakes that cost them their Match because they were greedy (happens to me more often than i want to. Just watching my replays after some time tells me that.) Thats just because better results equals more exp and money.
You had a 3 day premium losing streak 😂, the game is 100% rigged, 80% of my team miss every shot and we are not talking 100m shots that should not miss even if you have poor aim, if your team is losing your RNG is crap, if the losing team has -25% on everything then that's why we have games that are over in 3 min even in lower tiers, how does your video explain shells that go through houses and the ground now that we have instant replay, shells that have over 200 pen and bounce off the side of a tank that has less than 40mm armor, shells that do 0 damage point blank etc. this seems to happen when the team is losing.
@@GeReapeters B#tch we go instant replay now, we see the shots going through the walls and dirt, we can get friends and test this, like shooting over 100 rounds and test if the RNG does what it says, fire at a rock at over 100m then fire at a stationary tank at the same distance, see where you miss more, you can expect me to take this BS as fact, how does RNG explain bouncing an over 300mm round off a tank that has 40mm to 60mm of armor 300mm -25% = spend more gold, there are thousnads of videos that show crap like this that even if RNG was 50/50 you can explain it, just now on Facebook a guy showed his Maus shooting an ELC EVEN 90 and the shot didn't do any damage on the roof of the tank. "Let me get my chart..." even if by some RNG, lucky one in million chance this happens very few players would see this, but that means this should be rare and it's not, because very few videos will be of this BS, meaning that the numbers given by WG for RNG are not the real ones or in Battle they are changed. People understand games of chance but don't say there is nothing rigged when, you throw your dice and every time you bet it's a 1 or the dice gets stuck in the corner of the table or you can't even see what you got, and the Casino will tell you "it's not riggeg, it's RNG, bugs and some server problems".
@@baz0nglord648 Saw this video it's not correct, you can test them yourself, fire at a rock then fire at a tank same distantce same gun etc, if the numbers are what WG says they are then there should be no difference, but what do you expect from zoomers who don't understand that this is 80's game code, "if player is at AX 23 then 25% hit, if player = 0 then 75% hit.
you cant say the match maker is not rigged tho, today i ONLY lost no matter how good or bad i played i only lost, i got sniped across the map by russian heavies get lit on fire w one shot and my gun "strangely" misses 50% of the shots no matter what i did i lost, iam close to my 2nd gunmark on my vk45.02b and since then the MM is "coincidentally" only bad, 150 total games and 52% winrate now down to 49 thanks to this rigged MM 🤦
Nobody can convince me mercy shots aren't coded into the game, it won't just be low rolls, it'll be non pens, bounces, critical hits that do no damage or just complete misses. Too many people describe the constant same experience for it not to be
Great work and effort for a topic which deserved to be studied and properly documented! Unfortunately, you can't expect the people believing in the crap you are trying to break to change their minds. We can only hope that it's going to put a few people in the right direction. For some time now I've personnaly attempted to emphasize the responsability of CCs about what they feature and what they say because they eventually tend to mostly promote toxic content and behaviours and rarely take an actual stand. On many occasions I reminded people that they shouldn't complain about WG, WG feeds them the crap they like to consume and there is no reason for WG to do any thing better if there are so many greedy/selfish players willing to throw them the money. They complain about power creep and yet they'll buy the next new OP premium tank and loot boxes. People, stop throwing all the responsability on the big company and start questioning your own behaviour. And yes, I do agree about how protective the community is about their own ideology and playstyle and they react very angrily if you start showing how messed up it is. I can see how bad some react when I criticize the fact they played a chieftain or 279e or abused heavily easy/premium ammo. They eventually put all the responsibility on WG for providing the features. In the end, the greatest source of income for WG are the players stats they expose and how addicted to them players are. They also keep creating features around the idea of getting the greatest stats (marks of excellence, elite rank etc.) and many players are willing to do the worst to increase these stats. Even I fall victim to stats and I check regularly if I do well in the game and better than average. But at least I take some pride knowing what I got was without firing a single premium/easy ammo, not playing any super meta tank and almost no premium tank (apart from the T34-85M because I've loved this tank since the beginning and it's quite good). TLDR: WG is not really the problem, the community and the CCs are and are greatly responsible for the direction WG decided to take.
1:03:28 The game I was talking about is no longer under NDA, and is called Project Cold War. I’ve been playing it since the first play tests were available, it’s pretty good (for now) feel free to look it up to hear what other people have to say about it.
isnt that a wargaming project?
can confirm, it's quite different to wot in a lot of ways, but also similar enough to easily switch from one to the other.
it most likely won't be nearly as p2w, if at all, which is amazing.
@@rydz3442 yeah it is
The booster arguement is sometimes used in warthunder but over on our community it’s more like a joke, not a serious conspiracy only cause u can go one game really well and the next u keep getting one shot 3 times in a row hahaha. We know it ain’t real but we gotta have some fun haha
The dude that hates wargaming tells people to go play another WG game . Makes sense .
Incredible attention to detail, quality.
Other youtubers uploading battles from Twitch because they don't even want to record a new video on YT, and what you create here are completely different standards. Congratulations, keep it up.
Only a few days ago I realised Chems is the only WoT youtube channel with videos I will rewatch and be entertained every time.
I only found out about Chems because of the Skill4ltu drama, which really opened my eyes to what sort of person Skill is, and made me realise how good Chems content is.
the kanye of wot
@@chemsbro wants this title so bad and I respect it
it's a pretty accurate title i think
@@chemskanye makes trash music now and you keep getting better, so it's inaccurate.
So... you're welcome at Armored Warfare, Chems! ;)
Honestly Armored Warfare is a better game than WoT,even if there are a smaller number of players..
AW is a lot of fun, I still go back now and again to play some tanks with less stress than WoT. I haven't pplayed WoT in over a year, the other day I reinstalled it just to see and it let me play against bots for a number of matches to "warm up". Who knew the bots play better than the actual teammates I usually get? lol
Holy shit based but are you guys still alive?
does anyone have chems discord invite?
@@stansearcheslife6363 Yeah, actually! Still pretty alive, but just, not as many players compared to WoT or WT.
Know you waited a while, but I'm on time.
20 fucking days what the fuck have you been smoking
Lets go baby
Heck yeah!!!
Thanks
Never fails to disappoint us
Conclusion: Yes.
There is a secret algorithm to ruin your games and make you suffer.
its absoulutely ridiculous now. especially if you're going up a tech tree.
in case you are wondering, kajzoo and dakillzor did contribute to this video, but i noticed a lot of people talking about a "claus" person, i don't know where this idea is coming from, but he is not involved with this video at all.
get a life
claus voice is here lol .2.04,, 14.52
@@andrekubik6652 Lies
they are referring to Claus Kellerman. He is a Canadian WoT CC. His voice can be heard on this video at 1:54 to 2:04 talking about Russian Bias; 14:42 to 15:00 talking about CCs getting special RNG, you even responded with "aren't you a CC?"; How could you not know who Claus is, but yet know that he is a CC?
@@jasonpenn5476 Yeah and a lot of his comments were taken out of context. Oh and if you have played the game since Day 1 you know that Russian bias was a thing for a long time and that German tanks was always getting the shorter end of the stick. That being said, great vid.
I am 39 years old, who played alot of games and watched a looot of youtube videos, this , this might be the best articulated, explained and created video on youtube. Congratulations my friend, and as a humble suggestion, you should create more because obviously you are an artist
Artist is an insult to Chems. Most artists can't grasp logicalness or even logic itself, which mathematics is at its core. Only the greatest of the greats like Leonardo da Vinci combine these traits.
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 I don't think logicalness is a word.
I just noticed, that in your video on equipment, at the end, you showed ,,list of things Chems said that turn out to be true", one of the things is WoT will die on 30. November 2023. And this will drop in the same exact date. You have planned it from the beginning, didn't you?
Bigu brain moment
Look how they have massacred my beloved WoT
it was a long time coming, your stop motion videos capture the old days of WoT
@@paradeinberlin Yeah it's all just a shell of itself by now
@@APC227 no fun allowed 😥 i just want to climb again
As your channel is one of the reasons I started playing the game in the first place I now realise that most things are not there anymore... they were not there for years actually
@@lucapascal3206 no fun allowed they removed good maps like windstorm and nade good maps boring by adding invisible walls everywhere
Average users in WoT are just NPCs for the servers. And I always yell at my screen when CCs sold to Warscamming say that you need to get skill. Sure, I bet they also have skill when they play at a casino... Everything is rigged in this software. I don't say "game", only "software". A game is meant to be fun and rewarding or pleasant. All those things that you never find in World of Scams...
i think the russsian bias came from the time where wot was still only 4-5 nations. Back then for example a tier XI T54 med had a 500mm ring arround the tank. I think things like these fired the russian bias up
Magical russian side skirts that most players didnt know about made it most popular tbh
Never forget obj 268 v4, the most ridiculously overpowered tank ever seen (apart from wt e100)
Russian bias comes from easy of use that russian tanks provide (or used to) and really tricky real life physics that russian engineers used and abused when making those tanks.
@@teemumiettinen7250 we're talking old-school like 10+ years ago when the concept spaced armor on the sides of those heavies absorbing heat shells seemed crazy.
That release version of the v4 is more an example of modern world of tanks when they release a new tank/tech tree that stands out for their own nation as well the rest of the game. (ebr, bz, chieftan are other examples)
I am playing with sconq and i miss many shots,i play with 277 feels more acurate than that sconq,i play with leo 1 missing shots arty bouncing my shoots but my stb 1 hits everything when i play with it,explain this.
It is looking so good! Fr looks better than most WoT official videos.
To be fair, when QB said they paid 4400 dollars it is more rational to think that he wasnt aware of the Argentinian loop hole than to assume that he intentionally lied to his audience.
If you look at the other stuff he's doing then even more so. Also does it still work? Is it still shown in Chems' Discord?
44:05 Quite frankly, this reminds me of something:
When Apple introduced random music selection in their music player, it was truly random. That means that the same song can come again right after it was played.
People reacted negatively and said this isn't random.
So Apple made their random selection less random by preventing the same song to be played for a few songs and people reacted to it positively AND though it's more random.
yeah cause most people never really think about true random numbers or random generation. well I've studied this in my university times, also a bit of a math head and I gotta tell you rng in wargaming games is NOT random :D I play tons of board games with true random generator which is the dice, but in WOT to this day I've noticed so much manipulation it's almost fake advertising that they're doing
@@MasterOvPuppetz examples being?
@@MasterOvPuppetz What kind of manipulation? All of those alleged "manipulations" are simple misunderstandings of randomness and concepts like the law of truly large numbers. If you've really studied those topics then you should be fully aware of what I'm talking about. Combine that with psychological biases that Chems talks about and you get your percieved "manipulations".
@@rain-uw9ju oh low wtr players bouncing enormous numbers of shot, always bouncing at least one last hit, insane 100% hits bouncing off something absurd or a gun taking 1% of the screen), snap shots at max range or weakspots. and as well as I'm aware that they're all technically possible, considering them AND 25% built in official RNG to me the game is a joke I don't even find interesting to discuss anymore. I've just seen too much shit to be naive and believe there's no algorithm preferring weaker players. also matchmaking is... a different story.
@@MasterOvPuppetz you must not have watched the video
Im not conspiracy theorist but for 12 years in WoT my 2 cents. As someone who was 2500wn8 avg and 60-65% wr per sesion (peak overal climbed 57% in 30k battles) struggle to maintain in last 2-3 year 50% wr. My sessions are like 40-50% mostly while my wn8/wot rating or whatever is pretty good. My overall dropped to 54-55% and still declines.
Old tanks which i dont play anymore with 500-1000 battles are around 60% wr. In last 2-3 years im happy if tank reach 50%. Something is fishy there.
I think matchmaking is an issue
burnout
You almost got me to install that game again. But then I remembered what playing 10 bottom tier matches every afternoon after work felt like: Stockholm Syndrome. the dread of knowing the other flank will inevitably collapse while you have to do the wobble wobble cupola snipe ridgeline dance. Oh god, I think my PTSD is flaring up.
Yeah I had a couple of noobs in my battle a few days ago and they kept following me. They allowed the enemy tanks to flank us because they didn't stay where they could watch our backs while I fought the more dangerous tanks. We lost the entire battle because the two noobs made that mistake. They both had less than 500 battles.
Ah a fellow WoT veteran, i got out years ago and never looked back, it was hell, not worth the anger and frustration.
Just uninstalled. Had a session few days ago with a platoon mate and increased my wr. Very next session win 2 out of I and immediately right back to where I am. Insane misses, insane bounces, bot-like teammates, etc. The thing is this situation of getting a losing session immediately after a winning session has happened consistently many many times. Anytime my wr goes beyondna certain level it's an immediate losing streak. So I'm done.
@@deonte9014 ye but there's people like the author that don't experience this or maybe don't notice it, Idk
This video does not prove that the WoT is not rigged. Only that there is a possibility it is not rigged.
As the author doesn't have the actual game code they have server side.
I like how looking at the timestamps in the description, there is an entire section dedicated to the grille 15.
The unicum of unicums. A person who taught many, strikes again. Definitely the best wot content creator.
If this video holds is promise( which from the timestamps, it does) this will be a bombshell reverberating through the entire wot community
@@alittlebitintellectual7361it's pretty insightful into the wot community and how much bulshit they can come up with to make themselves feel better lmao
@@theBhavMan You do have a point... a lot of players, especially unicums, compare win rate of other players without understanding that you can be destroyed and still win, or survive and still lose. They also fail to understand that you can be a good player that constantly gets stuck on horrible teams, or a bad player who primarily gets good teams. Basically, they are using win rate to determine how good of a player you are, but win rate is a poor indicator of how good a player really is. Win rate is determined by the teams you are on, and not by the player themselves.
@@jasonpenn5476 its not just wiin rate, its wn8. you can have 100% win rate, but still a poor player
@@mike82y I have seen multiple "unicums" in ingame chat calling other players trash based off the win rate (not wn8). And you just reiterated what I have already said, you can have a great win rate and be a shitty player, but you can also be a great player and have a shitty win rate.
In summary: World of Tanks isn't rigged. The problems are much deeper than that.
I would be more interested in Kisly's patent - where good players get their RNG nerfed when engaging against bad players and vice versa to level the gap in skill somewhat in order to prevent bad players from being discouraged and rage quitting WoT forever, or the theory that your RNG is set at the start of the battle which results in games where you hit all your shots, even poorly aimed ones, and the contrary situation where you keep missing from 5 meters or bouncing 100% pen shots.
those are both terrible ideas
Ive been saying this since 2012!!!
I am playing since 2012 and its true if i have terrible RNG its means MM want us to lose and I play way more carefully and tell teammates to be more carefully because we are set to loose.
@@Skogdust total nonsense
@@gameclips5734 it does make sense though and it would be a good idea for WG to implement from the business perspective. It's just terrible for good players and makes the game maddeningly frustrating at times. But if I were WG I would totally implement any technical tweaks to retain players since it directly impacts sales.
HE CAME BACK WITH THE MILK
sejozwak jumpscare in chems comments
@@thatpersoninthecomments8613lmao
Get back to hoi4
Claus will be 90 in a retirement home trapped in his feedback loop ranting on Soviet bias because he didn't pen a 279e one time.
xD
U.re wrong buddy.claus is a very smart guy,he knows how to sell his stuff;)his drama is pure fake,he.s playin a roll
@@sorinancuta3934 True, he often says his video's are for entertainment purposes himself. Honest.
Claus is just a crybaby clown
Clause's conspiracy rants are damn funny.
Theres also no way hes not just doing it for entertainment value.
He's got a good sense of humour about himself, something that seems to be getting rare lately. Its also why he did some voiceover for this vid.
How about:
1. Gather up some money as group
2. Buy the game from WG
3. Make some changes
= Game good again!😲
Yeah but he aint Elon Musk.
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3.1 DELETE ARTILLERY
The richest players generally prefer the game to be the way it is, so no shot
world of tanks costs some millions bro
Something i'd like to add to add to the whole booster myth. I don't play WoT but i know similar situations from War Thunder. Once you activate one of those really big boosters, which an f2p player will rarely get, it almost seems like the entire enemy team knows about it and just comes after you exclusively. And while i did often have this experience, it's just that this situation isn't exclusive to the times where you use a booster. I think that the biggest problem with boosters is the promised reward. Let's say you use a 500% booster. Really big payout, especially if you do well that game. But (in the case of WT) since it only lasts one game, you become hyperfocused on maximizing your profit. This has you trying to perform pretty much every action that gives you currency as much as possible, like killing players. But you become so focused on hunting down players and killing them as fast as possible, that you will most likely not see the enemy player who just pulled up behind you. And once the round is over, you're frustrated because, even with the booster, you barely made anything. And all of that, just because you didn't play optimally, but decided to maximize your payout.
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Use a big booster in War thunder
Team goes braindead
It's probably a coincidence but God damn I can almost guarantee it secretly puts you with the biggest retards against the best players it can find
This is an hour long video, bruh of course the comments are going to be deep insightful and actually have substance 💀💀 @@mrbruh9537
Yeah, the way our behavior changes because we popped a booster is something he didn't touch on that has an impact too. Then again, impossible to quantify through mathematical means.
2 points from a WOT beta veteran.
1. Re evaluate the game stats from WHEN the "RU is OP" claim was coined, ie. the early days when there were only 3-4 nations..
2. Evaluate the RU RNG values for bouncing enemy fire or enemy shots doing nothing, critical damage received vs dealt. camo and spotting ratings.
Essentially look into the play by play bias, not the total stats.
Bonus, show the stats before and after the Type 59 was introduced, then after it was nerfed.
Super bonus, look at when the Bat Chat was added.... those days caused many broken keyboards.
Great vid.
type is still my best played tank somehow, 56% W/R 3k games
Your second point is completely explained by server lag in the earlier days
id start with GAME MECHANICS advantages that USED to be given to Ru machines - most notably the magically chosen "overmatch mechanic" that was "somehow" set up that guns on German or US side couldnt make use of it most of the time while "SOMEHOW" the armor values for side and roof armors on non USSR tanks were always right in the overmatch sweetspot of the russian 122 or 152mm guns magically had just right caliber to always go through where non USSR 120mm or 150mm guns would not ...
while the BLATANT RU bias of old times when Serb was in charge is long since gone, some of this legacy is still in the game
Easily one of the Top 3 best videos you’ve ever made. - Tbh you’re the reason I started my WoT channel to (eventually) create content on the Match maker, Maps, tank designs, and other discussion topics. It’s so refreshing to see that there are people with solid critical thinking skills creating content in this largely NPC player base.
Easily one of the best WOT videos in general . I don't think that I would watch an hour video from anyone else
ill pin ur comment so people sub to you
curious how much failgaming paid.
@@chems damn romanian currency so fucked where the hell is a country that dosent only have like 5% off
@@chems Thank you! 🙏 I appreciate it.
You were always the best, chems, nobody ever came close. You define art, and it defines you.
Chems worshipper
@@anonimowyunkown33 also known as a gigachad
it was a great video but you’re brown nosing hard lmao
I was expecting somebody would recognise the quote
leave the worshipping to skill fans, eh?
I have never seen any WOT CC who have put so much dedication to the content like you, Chems. Good job!
and you still won't see any CC that will put this much dedication beacuse Chems isn't a CC
@@markin2067 I mean... he said he doesn't have a CC account on WOT but he is a WOT content creator. I am just pointing out what I think they meant instead of them actually misunderstanding, or not watching the video
@25:25 dude what are you talking about? someone says their last hits often miss/ricochet/lowroll and you start comparing their average dmg? :V
23:00 I noticed this with the UDES (t8 medium) and a few other tanks where you'd go to the top gun and despite it having worse accuracy and gunhandling it hits far more consistently. Never knew there was a term for it. 32:50 Also I'd argue that matching up tank types is far more important than matching up skill levels.
This surely is going to be one of the best videos in the history of world of tanks.
I'm not claiming that mercy shots are real, however part of the argument for them is that it's concealed in a far more complex and sinister manner. It's not just damage that you lowroll, it's also penetration rolls AND accuracy rolls. The claim is that first you are more likely to miss, second that you are less likely to pen and third that you are less likely to roll high. Looking at just the damage doesn't fully cover the mercy shot claim.
Chems is like playboi carti, everyone wants him to drop, he denies, and comes with a huge comeback once in a while.
Playboy Carti sucks ass
You are right, it isnt rigged.
Its just a really bad designed, gready and unfair game. Profitting from gambling and abusing the poor decision making of some people.
Those problems every one has, every day in wot arent calculated or anything, its just a retarded game design, that makes you suffer.
So dont cry and just leave the game
40:26 I didn't actually know there was a *rotation* of maps. I mean, I guess I had heard that somewhere, but I didn't realize I was being cycled through the same set of maps on purpose.
36:45 "shadow nerfs" are just people getting used to fighting those tanks and learning their weaknesses which makes them lose their "element of suprise"
u rly think skorpoin have same accuracy now compare whan they put him in game
@@ziginaigra if it wasn't actually nerfed/bufed yeah
the thing is you may feel like the tank got better because you got better at the game too or it could feel like its worse just because you are not as lucky anymore
Also keep in mind that the first few battles (probably 10) and if you haven't played in a long time are more likely to be top-tier.
Absolutely excellent video Chems!
Your portion on the Grille's accuracy and bloom is something everyone needs to see. My tiny little UA-cam channel gets zero attention in comparison, but I've tried to explain the hard stats vs soft stats. Nice to see all the work you've done to show hard data over large sample sizes.
Thanks for all the effort and dedication I know went into this. Had to take a lot.
0:56:57 Premium Store Exploit 🔥🔥🔥
-23:08-- sigma value means z-score, not standard deviation, it's basically standard deviation normalized against mean. For example, to get the same distribution (identically looking curve) for 0.2 and 0.4 accuracy values, the standard deviation for 0.4 has to be higher to compensate for the higher mean.-
Edit: I was wrong. The above applies to damage calculation, not to shot distribution. Still, the shot spread definitely does NOT follow normal distribution, as mention by Overlord_Prime in his document. And term "sigma" is used because it is established in WoWs.
im a 12 year old orange shitter. i don't get a single word that came out of your mouth sir.
Then what is non-normalized standard deviation?
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 You're right. I got it mixed up with the damage mechanic.
A very interesting and well structured argument. There is one itch to scratch though. If the definition of Rigging is, "The game manipulated by dishonest means" then the null is, there is no evidence in the data to support this. At 33:10 a statement is made, the MM does attempt to influence the result by moving the player(s) to be top or bottom tier. Does the game tell the player this? Is changing the match parameters to either help you win or lose transparent and honest? Going back to the null, if after the MM tier adjustment is made is there evidence that the win rate of the players moves up or down? Would that meet the stated criteria?
The answer may well lie in Behavioural Game Design. I can't post links without UA-cam deleting the comment but it is easy to find. The hypothesis being WG wish to manipulate the result to create a 'schedule' for the player. Such as the daily challenges, e.g. win 4 games.
Me when Chems about to release a new video:
I love how chems at the same time makes some of the lowest effort and highest effort wot videos 😂
I swear if this is a troll, like an hour long compilation of Claus Kellerman, then Im gonna loose it.
the winsxwn8xdamage is a very poorly chosen metric. Wn8 already includes damage and win rates featured prominently in its equation. wn8 is modified to explicitly shape its expectations of performance on the actual outcomes of games. It has to support your question. Kind of like saying the scale is correct because it measures your weight as the same amount as a machine that is based on the readout of the scale to verify its correctness. It's right because you have defined it as correct. (I was a contributor to wn8 btw, so am familiar with the subject for what that is worth.)
It's not a secret WoT is rigged, Wargaming's head honcho owns a patent in dynamic control of win rate to naturally keep it around 50%.
It's not though did you even watch the video?
@@Badly1000 That's just his objective opinion, the patent literally proves existence of such algorithm.
@@harryshuman9637 That's exactly what it is not. Its backed by data. Yours by assumptions. Just because something is patented doesn't mean that it is being used. Corporations do that all the time to reserve the right to it.
@@Badly1000 Just make fully working mechanic that was based and created directly to work with WOT, applying it would bring you tons of money but you trash all work simply patenting it for no reason to never use it in any games you make (they just dont make any games). Yeah why not looks like something WG would do, they love their audience so much, just myths of them doing good for players for no real reason. Oh yeah, another 15/3 match right after 3/15 lose, how unbiased and absolutely not rigged.
One thing you forgot about is the massive advantage p2w mechanics give, that being having access to the best tanks in the game just by default having better pen/ shell velocity having better crews better equipment directives and so on. Those base stat advantages in a largely rng based game make for a massively different gameplay experience then any non 100k games free to play player could ever experience. Other then that great vid
No. Good ammo, good crews and directives can be achieved by f2p players as well.
@@juanzulu1318wrong. no way a f2p can achieve that.. You are talking about one occasional match but they would never reach the same level at same point in time.
firstly they would need to focus on very few tanks as they continously get less crew XP. Secondly, f2p will simply not have enough credits for continuous use of premium ammo, food, directives etc so their gun will mostly have worse RNG. 3rd, they won't be able to access all OP premium tanks that exists nowadays and are in every single match.
Basically in theory, P2W is pay to cheat to get better than others, not by skills but similar as doping like in sports.
IT depends. If you're better at the game, yuo get more wins, more damage, which nets you more credits per game. F2P and being shit at the game is a really bad combination. F2p with a good player is doable. But paying 10 bucks a month on average makes the game so much more convenient its dumb not to pay it, if you play a lot.@@izznix
@@izznix yes, the grind is longer. But this wasnt the topic. A f2p player has all the options in a match as all the other players. Neither is wot rigged nor are f2p players treated unfairly in a match.
@@izznix F2P player can use these things occasionally. P2W player can use them constantly. For example, if I was a P2W player, there are hardly any vehicle with which I would bother at all to carry any non-gold ammo. I´d just load full gold into each battle. I have done that a few times when I had some prem time, and it makes the game SO MUCH easier if you dont have to decide whether to fire gold or not. Let alone the fact that some guns have prem ammo that has literally 0 downsides (4example standard AP vs better gold AP, or APCR vs better APCR).
And that doesnt even take into account the elephant in the room - the constant powercreep of the newest premium tanks. Look at tier VIII, about 90% of standard "silver" tanks are completely outmachted by the previous strongest gold VIII, and 100% of them are completely outmatched by the current one, and if this one will be outmatched by the next one. Look just at the BZ. It is a VIII tier that is not just comparable to most IX tiers, but outright comparable to some X tiers.
One thing id like to add to the grille thing:
-the grille has abbismal shell velocity on ap and heat, and the way aiming works makes it so if youre leading a target, then according to the game youre just aiming further away than where the target will be, therefore the shell will look like it misses by alot, when in reality it may not deviate by that much, but the arch of the low velocity shell cause it to go further away than where you wanted to aim (i hope what i said is understandable, it would be better if i could draw or smth).
Nailed it. The game automatically compensates for shell drop based on where you're aiming, so if you're trying to lead a shot with a low-velocity gun on a skylined target, you're almost certainly going to miss. Even on flat ground, you have to aim low at the dirt a few hundred meters behind the target to trick the game into giving you the ballistic arc you need.
Its one of the ways that war thunders mechanics are better; the shell is just a parabolic arc, with a bit of deviation set at the start, rather than some code trying to 'help' you by working out what youre trying to hit first.
23:40 the term sigma also comes from an actual “named” value World of Warships uses which I’ve noticed also started being used for WOT to describe standard deviation. For example the Japanese ships tend toactively have better sigma values than the other nations
Sigma has been used for standard deviation since 1894; nothing to do with WoWS beyond WG using a standard statistical term.
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@chems is there a mod that will record the information of my shot pattern? like you show @ 23:46
I use to be a clan Fugitives long ago and one of the leaders was on the wot website and wot posted a page pretty much saying that bad players get a little bit better rng. Another member log in and saw it but the page was taken down pretty quickly. It was talked about for a while in the clan. No one was surprised cause we kind of already new. I can normally call a game based on what rng is doing in the first 2-3 minutes of play. I have a 99.8 percent accuracy in calling a game based on that. I also normally know whats going to happen. ie what module is going to get damage. Its like clock work. When you take a well aim shot into the ass end of a tank that might have 55mm armor with a gun that is 250mm pen on the worst shot bounces or my fav crit hit with no damage when it matter and it happens way to many times its either rigged or the mechanic is so broken that wg refuses to fix it.
This video is undoubtedly the greatest video you have made made and is a must watch for ALL WOT players. Your hard work will pay off. This video will reach over a million views, guaranteed
Its not that great, if he wanted to truly question Russian bias then he needed to check game from beginning, (not last 2 years,) if he wanted to check CC and streamers, then he needed to check their MM (if they have better MM then rest of players, then they dont anything else) and so on....
@@SadMadBadBoro So are you saying that there was Russian bias from the beginning and wargaming decided to change sometime after? and the part about the MM how is that related to Russian bias and RNG for their guns?
@@CodeB_4cpp Game had different priorities from the beginning until current state, now is pure money grabbing with more and more retarded meta crap (just look Mountain pass version now,) all i said is that if someone want to analysis bias, than u need to check that topic from beginning and compare for instance Germany versus Russian tanks, all that T-22, 279, 268v4, 907 and rest OP tanks from one side to another (WT e100) and so on...
Potential special MM has nothing to do with rng, only with topic about special treatment for CC and streamers, if they have that, then all other real or imaginary bonuses is not important at all...
@@SadMadBadBoro ok lets forget about any form of bias several years ago since we cant prove it. He just proved that there was none in the past 2 years. So can we agree on that?
@@CodeB_4cpp How can we not prove it? IMO its not so hard. Ofc we can agree that there is no clear bias in near past, but game from the start did have some things thats he referred to, like silent nerfing (Lowe was OP after released, then they silently nerfed him after 2 weaks or so,) ok now they dont do that so obviously, but that doesnt mean that they didnt do such a things in the past or that they dont do that now at all...
As a WoT Player who took statisics in Uni last semester, this video is a damn gem!
For someone who didnt get taught statistics in uni its solid i guess. But honestly its not that incredibly well made. (e.g. for the second part I dont think a z-test would be correct to use. Im no expert tho).
Interestingly enough the p-values are actually surprisingly low (for the common alpha of 0.05 in psychology the difference between chems and daki would be significant in fact). But its debatable what alpha should be used here anyways.
My biggest pet peeve is that he said the null-hypothesis is true, while all we can say is that we cant reject it. (Also there are way to many confounding variables to really make a valid point anyways.)
@@Oerwing Thats a certified bruh moment right here. Just out of curiousity, did you hear anything about the null-hypothesis before this video? Cuz it really seems like you didnt.
@@ntray3729 yep I did hear about it before. But I dont see whats the bruh Moment here. You pointing out to me (and maybe explain more than just saying im wrong) where im mistaken exactly, would be helpful.
Sorry to say but statistics course you got through getting that Psychology degree had not even covered 25% of information and understanding about given topic in comparison to statistics course during a data science/analytical/engineering degree. He lowered the alpha to 0.01 to test game mechanics in "hardest scenario".@@Oerwing
@@ukasztaflinski4618 im totally aware, that psychology tends to use more liberal alpha-values. And maybe I shouldnt have mentioned it, as it is somewhat arbitrarily chosen anyways.
And by no means I think im an expert in statistics.
However from how chems talked about the Test and Conclusions I just got the feeling he isnt either (if he happens to have studied data-science or a related field he does know more about statistics than me. I just know hes a wot UA-cam, nothing more about him.).
The title alone is gonna piss off a lot of EU forum users
I don’t get the hate towards EU player base. I’ve seen plenty of NA players in games who straight up shit talk about EU players calling us names, like why?
@@mihaivo_ I'm part of the EU playerbase, I'm not referring to the players, just the EU forum members who literally lose their minds if you suggest there could be anything wrong with the game lol
@@weedbloke1871 so in your head there is anything wrong with the game lol
Meh. I thought it was already "proven" that matchmaking is "rigged" to force players to the desired 50% wr. Not just for WoT but for basically all games with MM. This is just a "player retention mechanic". FTP games depend on this. As a high skilled player I always get the "redacted" teams and am forced to carry or lose the game. I am almost always teamed up against more experienced players compared to the players in my team. And I face more platoons/squads than my team has. I am not making this up. Good players have to work hard to get a wr above 60% (let alone 70%) while "redacted" players basically just have to play to get into the 45-50% zone because players like me get/keep them there. Basically the rewards for being good = stress/frustration/anger.
Also, you just took damage into account for mercy shots and not accuracy and/or penetration. It is more complex than just damage. War Thunder is a better example for this since you can also see the post penetration trajectory/damage. Absolutely wild amount of miracles happening in that game if you pay attention. It's not rng, it's a business model.
I witnessed first hand that rng can change. I was above average until i got into an "argument" with an in game mod (back in the day where you could shoot em for gold for the first time). After that day my shots simply missed, low rolls were the normal, damage blocked by armor was rare, matchmaking was basically always lowest tier. I must note that clanwars were unafected, there the rng was normal. I stopped playing long time ago. The account is still active so you can test if you want, maybe it will surprise you.
Went in for wargaming ramble, left with a life lesson. What a legend, love the vids. Please keep making them. I'll listen to anything, as long as it is by chems.
After 12 years of playing I can say that the game IS manipulated and it has gotten worse... there is a lot of video evidence on the Internet, direct shots that do not hit the target, shots that hit directly and that come from positions where THERE ARE NO TANKS... etc... Remember, it is a business and an increasingly ambitious one.
actually WOT player numbers are dropping so WG need more money from less players just to stay even.
got some evidence?
There is also such a thing as server lag and correction thereof.
yeah, of course your personal experience is more accurate than scientific proof
Highly respect the effort that went into this, and honestly, this stuff makes tons of sense - WG always has been about money, and to make money you need playerbase retention, especially when it comes to players that are rich or have at least SOME disposable income.
No completely...but RNG is pre-planned...that alone can skew a battle.
And some one takes a series of statistics and skews them for their point, welcome to the great success of bidenomics. You miss the guaranteed WG admitted bias for guaranteeing a player a win (after x# of battles) and even in their origional and updated patents and program listings it is there, where a player will (unless they are REALLY working hard to get below) never get below a 43~45% win rate.
As someone who has played WoTs for 10-11 years, thank you for opening my eyes. I've definitely felt like World of Tanks was rigged at times. I will definitely feel like it is rigged at times in the future, but then I will remember this video. Thank you.
It is rigged as hell. Had to turn off xvm-like mods cause the rng bullshit was making me burnout and quit wot a lot of times. I will never forget when i was the only guy not red or orange or just red players and me vs 11 purple and 4 blue players. This wasn't one battle, every 3-4 battles on average you got placed like this with 5%-20% win chance (btw 5% is the lowest possible). Nowadays i got ammoracked every 20 games of average (every 2-4 battles on russian X tiers), ammo rack damaged every 2-4 games, while i cannot dice roll to damage enemy ammo rack more than once every ~30 games or destroy someone with it more than once every hundreds of battles. I know most of the weakspots, tank eq placement etc. so it is mostly RNG issue. I played since ~2011; RNG of this game changed A LOT during all this years. Either you quit the game or play long enough to be on the WG RNG blacklist like me and propably you too.
This is probably the most well made video essay about WOT I've ever seen, chems always delivers
I don't think there is any WOT player out there thinking this game is not rigged(with so obvious winning/loosing streaks of 7-8 games, come on...), so in case chems will demonstrate it, it would be welcomed. As many times said, people are keep playing this shit game because there is no good alternative on the market!!, NOT because they like it so much.
Only idiot wallet wariors thinks that wot is not rigged, i play same tank in 2 battles, in one i hit every pixel i aim in another i cant`t hit a fucking single shot, and f`course battle where i can`t hit a shit ends as defeat 15-1. Why the fuck rng controls do you hit or not when your`s reticle is fully aimed!? Why even bother to aim then?! Because all of that wg shitfest my last battle is over 9 months ago, fuck them and their shity "game".
Try again with the Object 477, that thing is 99% unimpenetrablefrom front and sides. To say "i have no problem pining the 477" is just wreckless, considering the vast majority of "real" players, not bots, are either Ftp and use a lower pen tank or use a premium with lower pen rate. I've been in games where 5 tanks have been on top of the 477 blasting it from all over and their shots would bounce while the 477 continued to pound out damage, no matter the angles.
Quick note on the Shadow nerfs. I think that the statistics (as win rate, wn8 and so on) can get worse a while after the tank is released. Why? Because casuals are continuing to play those tanks. I bet that the strongest of players jump into those tanks on release to get aces and 3 mark them as soon as possible and they move on, therefore they increase the high end of statistics on release, leaving average and weak players with those tanks a month or so after.
I have in fact a friend who works in gaming industry and he admits there is no fair online game. Even FPP shooters boosts new players accuracy due to fact that there is evidence showing bad first games = player never comes back. You have lots of wrong assumptions in the video. There is some player-, tank- specific RNG but it works only when targeting other player. Since you meet on battlefield good and bad players equal times you do not notice that there is in fact protection for some and nerf for others. This is called Dynamic difficulty adjustment and EA games changes even key responsivness for better players (search for their patented MM in the web). The assumption is good player needs a challange and bad needs help. There is nothing more importnat for comapny than to draw new players and keep player base as high as they can. There is no business in maintaining players who own noobs so noobs quit game (and they loose lots of customers). The other way of balancing players is by giving them less favourable positions more often. They have big data concerning maps and what tanks performs better in certain spots/maps. The better player is more often put in less favourable environement (like arty on himmelsdorf). Every map has two sides one of which is better for certain tank and worse player gets it more often. The best example of RNG nerfed tanks are Skorpion or Defender. Abundancy of those tanks made their influance on battle outcome too high so they nerfed their RNG a bit. Tanks are not nerfed when they are better but when they have too high impact in all battles overall (so if there is too many of them getting good results). Wargaming is not a charity and it's in their best interest to keep as many players as they can so nerf the best buff the weak. EVERY ONLINE GAME DOES THAT. But every player is subjected to this mechanism so it's equaly hard for every player to be Unicum but the better you are the harder battles become. And there is expected performance for every player in every battle so if you are good you are expected to perform for example with 1.5x efficiency comapred to avarage player. Oh and RNG changes every patch so you need to compare performance between every patch not during larger period like 6 months. The avarage is always the same but if you would draw Gaussian curve you would notice its too condensed in the middle which shows its artificially regulated to be that way..
lots of words to say that you're a trashcan who cant learn how to play one of the easiest games.
Guys, how can I like this vid more than once?
@chems you did more for educating the population on statistics than the universities!
I didn't watch the video and I can answer that. Yes. Whenever you see the score 0-4 for the enemy team and you wonder why all your fully aimed shots go around the enemy like in looney toons. That is the time you know, WOT said no to your team on that match. I recently had the worst kv2 game in my life. fully aimed, decked out crew 7 shots went into the ground, bounced on TD and even bounced on arty at close range. With gold ammo. Against tier 5. If WOT sais no, it is no.
what is blud yappin bout lmfao
I think the "soviet bias" myth came from old times, when accuracy was good, and you could have hit shots while moving on your extremely innacurate IS-3 or KV-1s
This is a very good analysis with some actual data, thank you for this
The fact that nobody can even describe "rigging" in WOT and it's purpose in one logical way tells alot
For me, as an engineer it's obvious that WOT isn't rigged, since these guys weren't able to match equal number of tiers / types for 4 years. So the idea of having this system from the start of the game to control: accuracy, damage, matchmaking, etc. to simply milk you for money. Yeah, right
I love when Chems makes valuable educational video that gives you more insight about Life than the game "masked" as a World of Tanks video. Thanks for being real Chems kuddos to you stay real as always!
He is missing the point.. If I change the results just by 0.15%.. Then over the amount wins\lose..Hit's\Damage.. etc...I can change the results of that player over time. WG knows this so they make sure to keep players at the 50% WR....
I think russian bias can be explained by different design philosophies. German tanks are usually big boxy blocks, you just have to load gold to pen. Russian tanks often smaller, have more armour on the side and plates are well angeled, you actually have to hit the weakspot to pen. Like for example obj 257 or Lt 420 and E75 or HWK.
I don't hear that myth anywhere near as much now as about 6 years ago when I started playing on console. Maybe there was some truth to it then, I don't know. You would have to dig up old statistic from years ago, assuming they still exist, and even then, it wouldn't have any relevance the current version of the game given how much has changed.
i would imagine you would say
"Yes, and it's because of Artillery's entire existence"
wordington
23:48 shouldn't that be attributed to kurtosis value instead of standard deviation, the smaller stdev you have the more accurate your shot is, whereas kurtosis measure the distribution of the center and tail of data values, i.e., here determining the distribution of accurate and inaccurate shots?
Last year the game got so toxic I had to stop playing... I was almost always in 15v1 or 15v2 games, there was no good balanced game in sight for a long time, and one day I had 27 games in a row with 2 wins!!! How is that statistically possible??? And I was at the top of my team with dmg and exp. I had a 10k WTR Rating, so I wasn't the problem. I don't play the game anymore but I still enjoy watching CC's play.
My god this has been such a banger! So well written and perfectly explained , with plenty of proof to back it up with. We really appreciate all the effort that you've put into this , and i truly hope this gets more recognition. W video chems
You missed the cursed tanks myth, or is there a myth like that? I always use it on my tanks. If i have two clone tanks, one gets 55% winrate and one stays at 20% for the same amount of games played. I call one of them my cursed tank :D
Ah, like my Cromwell (60+% WR with hundreds of battles) or my Cromwell B (which is actually a better tank, and has a 45% WR over tens of battles).
Great Video! I like the development of your channel and your personality as it is actually pleasan to watch - unlike playing the game itself. It seems that you are now just moderately trolling instead of being the incarnation of chaos and i actually like it.
Ps: This (36:26) screenshot of the skin is kinda epic, isn't it?
yes, it is. i stopped playing the game because it's balanced +-2 on PC. wot is SUPERIOR ON CONSOLE, because the people who made the port, who actually know how to make games, implemented a +-1 tier balance, instead of +-2.
Tracking tank stats overtime is a poor method to discover a shadow nerf or buff after all you might've not been playing a tank well for a few days a few days later it might click and it gets better or you might have an even worse day and its worse problem is sites like tanks gg dig the numbers directly from the game files you can compare one patch to the next
on EU 15-3 Result is SO common and most of my looses are that result
all that is random 😂
sure they are i play game for 10 years man i know it isnt becase rng on those games are afwul and rolst o loosing team@@ziginaigra
It's because you drew the team of people that spells multiple defeats as letting something go.
I don't care what anyone says, there is Russian bias, and the game is rigged. Every game company does this (I know because I'm a game developer). They do it because it's proven time and time again make money, and get people to pay money.
Ever notice when you're a winning streak, suddenly you get a bunch of tomatoes on your team, and you start hitting low on rolls consistently? It happens too consistently to be random, the pattern is there.
It's easy enough to tweak this so people even looking for it have difficulty seeing it, and intelligent people, like Chems, are even easier to trick and manipulate, because if you tweak the ratios just right, you can hide it from people who only care about digging into the "facts" and "statistics".
An example of this, is when he almost finds the truth of winning ratios at 4:00 mark, then asys, well.. that's also in line with how many tanks there are, and USSR has more, so naturally they're going to win more.. Well no, that's a logical fallacy and one many intelligent people like to bank on, which makes it easy to manipulate.. The reason why USSR has the most tanks, is because they are the easiest to win with, thus they make more tanks to sell in the USSR tree, USA being second because in Russia they think there is a USA bias (which there is to some degree). Germany and UK also get 3rd and 4th because those are also 2 very famous and important parts of the time frame, and they've been out longer than any other tech tree.
That's not to say other nations don't have great tanks, they do. However, I still remember when I was first playing.. I played for a year and still "sucked" at the game. I was playing Germany. I then switched to Russian tanks, and my win rate sky rocketed from 30% to 70%, because the tanks were just that much easier to play.
Things have since changed from 7 years ago though, a lot less new players, a lot more knowledgeable players, gold ammo now being accessible by silver, and other contributing factors to bring even in the bias and easy mode of USSR tanks into line, they are still easily, the most free win.
Is WoT Rigged? of course it is.. EVERY multiplayer game today is rigged.. They will throw in a few extra terrible players on your team and stack teams slightly just enough to make a slight difference, but not enough to be in your face obvious, just enough to get you invested and upset to want to throw money or feel engaged, without making you quit. That's the sweet spot every game company goes for.
From COD, to WoT, to League of Legends.
It is beatable because its not jacked up to 110%, very good players can still overcome this to some degree, and its usually the very good players who will vouch it doesn't exist, while other sheep insist they must know what they're talking about because they're good players, thus, the perfect manipulation happens.
Game companies have literally spent millions in researching manipulation like this, and it's become such a norm in the game industry nobody even thinks about it, they just do it, because it works, and they've figured out how to manipulate the players so completely while doing it.
nothing is random in multi millioner business😀
well another thing i don’t think you’re factoring is that the countries with meta tanks and the most are reflective of their real life counter parts. in ww11 Germany really had a good lead in tank technology with the USA Russia and UK all trailing close behind. So yes you’re right that formula does sell but it’s also somewhat realistic to how it was in real life
I'm a pretty casual player games and idk maybe I'm buying into what they want me to think but I roll my eyes everytime when people complain about games intentionally giving "bad" teammates, not everyone is playing 100% cracked every game and if you don't want bad teammates then go play 1v1/singleplayer games.
@@camolot2102 I'm fine with bad teammates. Teammates who do little damage, doesn't use their abilities to their fullest extent, etc... I'm not talking about legitimately unskilled players.
I'm talking about actually "Bad" players, players who yolo 1v3 solo then whine and cry on mic. Players who are constantly running off alone. Players who consistently refuse to work with the team.
An unskilled player is fine.. A bad player is not, and there is no excuse for it, even being new is not an excuse.
@@Cramblit Welcome to meeting random people on a game, make sure to keep blaming the matchmaker for daring to put them onto your team instead of just letting them sit forever in que.
30:31 This was the frustration with making a 50 minute video about the matchmaker, and having people use this as a reason of "plausible deniability." It's just impossible to prove certain things about it, since it doesn't have trackable API to my knowledge, unless something like the tomato,gg mod can track the frequency of every tank in every single battle people have. Otherwise, things will forever remain a mystery (like whether WG makes one team first, then a team to """match""" or if it makes both at the same time).
56:04 hahaha there the mod. Fun fact, I actually told him to do "The dumbest mod I've ever used" or something similar, but he used that instead...
Did you say that the MM puts people low tier when they win too much? Well its rigged then. Isnt it?
Still wondering how I end up as low tier no matter what. Perma low tier.
This video does not prove that the WoT is not rigged. Only that there is a possibility it is not rigged.
As you don't have the actual proof of what game code they have server side. But the fact is undeniable that the bad luck and good luck streaks are suspicious in the game, and some of them are statistically close to impossible.
The comments are funny tho, imagine the comments if you made a second video ''proving'' that Wot is rigged.
The simple fact that i stopped playing WoT like 2 years ago but this video helped me combat my friends "bias" beliefs from War Thunder is just so funny (like the Booster MM or CCMM), also amazing video, felt like watching a documentary lmao, great job chems
those are different tbh.but can understand your perspective
I don't understand why chems simply dismissed War Thunder like it's not a tank game even to talk about. I understand that many WoT-refugees complains about COMBINED matches where they get nuked by plantes, helis or drones but thats realistic warfare for you...
@@LViruz maybe, just maybe, because this video isn't about War Thunder?
I know many will miss this preview, but it's fucking fire
I bet its nuanced and deep. But i cant make heads or tails out of it.
6:00 Russian BIAS is more of a War Thunder issue, where Russian tanks literally use different spalling mechanics. In WoT the goal of the devs is to squeeze maximum amount of money, so they casually jump from nation to nation when it comes to stuff like introducing new OP premium tanks.
I mean, okay. The maths do math. Still, when your aiming circle doesn't shrink despite having stood still for a long time, you're tracked twice in a row multiple times, you get uptiered many times in a row despite taking continuous Ls, your WR keeps plummeting but you are always bottom tier... can you really blame people for questioning the validity of the game?
48:51 OR.. Some people just try to hard when they activate Boosters and start making little mistakes that cost them their Match because they were greedy (happens to me more often than i want to. Just watching my replays after some time tells me that.)
Thats just because better results equals more exp and money.
Russian bias is in war thunder not wot
chems uploads a vid :😊👍
only to realise its a trailer
This video is legendary. Well explained, well visualized, and well thought out. well done. :D
where can i find the original clip from 52:38
His twitch channel is "joe150_".
You had a 3 day premium losing streak 😂, the game is 100% rigged, 80% of my team miss every shot and we are not talking 100m shots that should not miss even if you have poor aim, if your team is losing your RNG is crap, if the losing team has -25% on everything then that's why we have games that are over in 3 min even in lower tiers, how does your video explain shells that go through houses and the ground now that we have instant replay, shells that have over 200 pen and bounce off the side of a tank that has less than 40mm armor, shells that do 0 damage point blank etc. this seems to happen when the team is losing.
44:54
@@GeReapeters B#tch we go instant replay now, we see the shots going through the walls and dirt, we can get friends and test this, like shooting over 100 rounds and test if the RNG does what it says, fire at a rock at over 100m then fire at a stationary tank at the same distance, see where you miss more, you can expect me to take this BS as fact, how does RNG explain bouncing an over 300mm round off a tank that has 40mm to 60mm of armor 300mm -25% = spend more gold, there are thousnads of videos that show crap like this that even if RNG was 50/50 you can explain it, just now on Facebook a guy showed his Maus shooting an ELC EVEN 90 and the shot didn't do any damage on the roof of the tank. "Let me get my chart..." even if by some RNG, lucky one in million chance this happens very few players would see this, but that means this should be rare and it's not, because very few videos will be of this BS, meaning that the numbers given by WG for RNG are not the real ones or in Battle they are changed. People understand games of chance but don't say there is nothing rigged when, you throw your dice and every time you bet it's a 1 or the dice gets stuck in the corner of the table or you can't even see what you got, and the Casino will tell you "it's not riggeg, it's RNG, bugs and some server problems".
@@crintraian 44:54 again lil bro
@@baz0nglord648 Saw this video it's not correct, you can test them yourself, fire at a rock then fire at a tank same distantce same gun etc, if the numbers are what WG says they are then there should be no difference, but what do you expect from zoomers who don't understand that this is 80's game code, "if player is at AX 23 then 25% hit, if player = 0 then 75% hit.
@@crintraian dude, take your pills, you sound so demented its unreal. Either that or learn some basic grammar.
Ive never played this game but you are a hell of a researcher man, good content
you cant say the match maker is not rigged tho, today i ONLY lost no matter how good or bad i played i only lost, i got sniped across the map by russian heavies get lit on fire w one shot and my gun "strangely" misses 50% of the shots no matter what i did i lost, iam close to my 2nd gunmark on my vk45.02b and since then the MM is "coincidentally" only bad, 150 total games and 52% winrate now down to 49 thanks to this rigged MM 🤦
Thanks for the laugh joker. Imagine losing and then blaming the matchmaking. Not to mention statistically you are going to have streaks of bad games.
Nobody can convince me mercy shots aren't coded into the game, it won't just be low rolls, it'll be non pens, bounces, critical hits that do no damage or just complete misses. Too many people describe the constant same experience for it not to be
come on that happen to you as well and they said the same to you!
How do you know WGMM does not track player ability? Did you assert that based solely on 'if it did, we'd have skill-based MM'? That's illogical.
Great work and effort for a topic which deserved to be studied and properly documented!
Unfortunately, you can't expect the people believing in the crap you are trying to break to change their minds. We can only hope that it's going to put a few people in the right direction.
For some time now I've personnaly attempted to emphasize the responsability of CCs about what they feature and what they say because they eventually tend to mostly promote toxic content and behaviours and rarely take an actual stand.
On many occasions I reminded people that they shouldn't complain about WG, WG feeds them the crap they like to consume and there is no reason for WG to do any thing better if there are so many greedy/selfish players willing to throw them the money. They complain about power creep and yet they'll buy the next new OP premium tank and loot boxes.
People, stop throwing all the responsability on the big company and start questioning your own behaviour.
And yes, I do agree about how protective the community is about their own ideology and playstyle and they react very angrily if you start showing how messed up it is. I can see how bad some react when I criticize the fact they played a chieftain or 279e or abused heavily easy/premium ammo. They eventually put all the responsibility on WG for providing the features.
In the end, the greatest source of income for WG are the players stats they expose and how addicted to them players are. They also keep creating features around the idea of getting the greatest stats (marks of excellence, elite rank etc.) and many players are willing to do the worst to increase these stats.
Even I fall victim to stats and I check regularly if I do well in the game and better than average. But at least I take some pride knowing what I got was without firing a single premium/easy ammo, not playing any super meta tank and almost no premium tank (apart from the T34-85M because I've loved this tank since the beginning and it's quite good).
TLDR: WG is not really the problem, the community and the CCs are and are greatly responsible for the direction WG decided to take.