Understand Camo Mechanics in 23 Minutes
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- To fight a light tank that is better than yours, you need to understand how spotting and camo work. Here's how.
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One thing you should still learn is the mechanics with fallen trees. The transparency mechanic works based on your distance to the fallen tree, but spotting and camo mechanics work based on distances separately, on their own, not based on the transparency mechanic. Transparency is just a visual thing to guide the players.
So this means that when a tree is, lets say 15m tall, and you knock it to the ground. When you approach it, it will turn transparent at less than 15m distance. But at that point you're still more than 15m from the furthest part of the tree to you. This means the tree will still act as camo between you and the enemies and you aren't spotting through it, it is in fact blocking your spotting. This is why with fallen trees you can't trust the visual transparency mechanic but instead judge the distance to the furthest part of the tree from you when you want to spot through it.
This is 100% tested thing and this is how it works. Nothing is broken, it's just different mechanics and the limitations of the visual transparency mechanic with objects that are bigger.
Extremely interesting. Very, very useful for myself and I believe everyone not knowing all these mechanics. I'm not sure I would understand without examples but this was very clear. Great job, thank you !
Glad it was helpful!
Finally someone explained it.
Because I also thought that bushes have different types of camouflage, and some are even broken.
ffs, pure treasure, thank you! I am quite a good LT player, learned by watching the best in CIS, Nidin, he understands all this, but never explained it so well, like you did, as well as tonns of other LT bloggers.. massive THANKS!
My pleasure
Just learned that the 15m behind the bush = save isnt anymore... well, that alone explains ALOT. 🤣
The only time I understood camo. You are the best
There should not be this amount of complexity in a game that is decided by RNG. 15-3 steamrolls and 4 min games.
There's a tier X field mod that decreases bush camo. With that field mod and CVS the new critical number becomes 37.92%
Interesting, thank you for pointing out
@@Aeromax9 (1 - 0.2) x (1 - 0.03) x 80 = 62.08. So the new maximum camo a bush can give is 62.08%. 100 - 62.08 = 37.92. Percentages in World of Tanks are NEVER additive, they're always multiplicative.
Love the guide and have a suggestion. Could you make a video specifically showing how to deal with EVEN 90s with other T8 lights? EVEN 90 doesn't really have a lot of counterplay other than passive scouting in an 80% bush and hoping he pushes into a single, but how do you decide when you think the EVEN will push? EVEN is top 10 most popular tank on every server cluster despite being a light, so every 3 mark session in T8 lights is basically you vs. EVEN 90. Even worse when you get an EVEN 90 and have to split your spotting with them or lose it entirely.
if anyone is confuse about 50+50=80%, he means that 80% is the max camo you can get ingame and to be sure that you always get the max camo % always do the 50+50 or 25+25+25+25 bush mechanic.
The best explanation of cammo in WOT.
Fantastic video. It all makes a lot of sense now! I've been thinking of that Daki clip for a while now
kinda funny, that if you go full camo on a T30 (bounty exhaust, bond vents, BIA, camo paint, camo skills, exhaust directive and Cola) you can actually get the 36% stationary to make it invisible in bushes :D
no one in their right mind would go for that set in a T30, but the fact that it is possible is kinda insane
amazing explanation
Honestly I respect how much your english speaking ability has improved over the years of watching your streams and vids. Great job!
I try
Great content. I always play with very sneaky tanks, so sometimes i was getting spotted without understanding, then i started to know about those weird 25% and 80% bushes. Then when CVS appeared, and EBRs can use them, everything got more complex for my AMX line
First of all, congratulations on an excellent video. In the calculation file there seems to be an error in the 80% “after firing in bush” box (is the same as 50%). Furthermore, I believe that the calculation file is only valid for lights, because it does not take into account camouflage in motion and in motion after shooting. It's right? On the other hand, for me, there are also some errors in the calculation in motion, boxes "in bush" boxes (0,9 and 0.85 must be 0,875). Sorry my english
Wow, no wonder my M41D did so well on prok when I was grinding for 2 mark and doing union-15, I was using bounty exhaust which gave me just over 36% camo
Very good info, but one thing it doesn't address in terms of my gameplay is 90% of the time im match made with potatoes playing with boxing gloves on. I can go to all the nice spots and keep things lit but all kidding aside half the team is dead in 2 minutes and the rest of the team are camping the back line in heavies. It keeps my winrate hovering at 48-50%. People will say "lrn to play better" but my spotting has little to do with half my team being in the garage before the battle is even really set up.
makes sense to me, thx i always struggled with that hopefully im better now
I have one question @iyouxin twitch, i'm not sure if when we we are 15 metres behind the bush, we have still 50% camo from bush or its changes to 80% And when one bush in front of us and its 15 netres in front of us we are still able to spot with no changes?
Sr for bad english
I will make a video on spotting mechanics soon
You are one of my favorite player and person in this community cheers mate.
@6:00 need the tree be cut? does a normal standing tree counts? and 8:40 how far can 2 bushes be away fromn each other to seill count as doublebush?
It is 80%, because game mechanic allows to aquire up to 80% camo from foliage, so there can be 10 bushes in front of you, it still gives 80% :)
Yeah, it's to combat ability to get 100% camo in every tank so that campers can actually be outspotted.
Actually went into the Discord to get the camo calculator. Thanks!
Thank me later 😊
Thx for that knowledge, I really appreciated it
Cheers Sir from Poland 🍻
Glad it was helpful!
@iyouxintwitch
Always Sir, always. Have a good day!
You have NO IDEA how many times I told our light tank to go and just sit in that D/E 1 position 🤦♂️ 95% of the time they either yoloed like crazy in the middle or they passed through the line of bushes at line 2, obviously getting spotted and lost the game for all of us ☹️
I had GREAT spotting games from that position with either a stealthy td or a medium 😱 It's just awesome! And not by using cvs, I also had great games at lower tiers, just by sitting in that bush and / or then shooting double bushed.
Sometimes you can spot the enemy light just before entering ths proxy distance. This is because bushes become clear when you get close enough to them. So sometimes you can move through the bushline and get so close that the enemy light only has 1 bush effectively speaking.
WOT Professor Iyouxin, thank you sensei.
This is a great video, wow thanks for sharing this awesome tip. GG and WP mate.
back in the days light tanks would allways spot TDs but now TDs spots light tank first
Thumbnail looks like iyouxin eating broccoli 😂
Really helpfull. Thanks a lot!
Holy sh*t i didnt know how much i needed this, thanks a lot !!! 🎉❤
So glad! Enjoy
I’ve played for ocer a decade and I feel like a boomer when it comes to how CVS changes bushes, but slowly learning it lately by playing EVEN 90
The camo and spotting system changed even before CVS was introduced. It's been like this since early 2018 when WG made the bushes and trees make more sense. There used to be everything 0-60% or so that foliage gave. The same looking trees on different maps could give different camo values. Now it's simple and allows you to plan your plays.
I learnt nothing till you whipped the map out and then, dam I never realised pushing the left hand bush line gave me 80% camo instead of 50% cammo. Title lies I learnt how camo mechanics work in 8:23 m,inutes :D
We are working on a full guide about spotting.
Brilliant@@iyouxintwitch also I learnt 50+50 = 80 :D
6:43 - this is just the theory, because in reality - the tank in the line of bushes will also benefit from the knoced tree and the bush of the Bulldog, that's why Bulldog won't be able to outspot the enemy LT.
If you can see through that fallen tree, then it doesn't provide camo for the enemy light tank
@@iyouxintwitch yep I know but in situation when the bush is transparent, you still have 80% bonus? I thoght, that in such situation you don't have 80%. Even if the tree is knocked into the bush.
@@WarriorsOfAden You do have camo from the tree and the bush, that doesn't change whether it's transparent or not. The transparency changes your seeing through them, and if you don't see through them that means they act as camo between you and the enemy. That is of course useful when you shoot the enemy.
I don't understand what 25% bush,50% bush is. This index means that when entering the bush, it adds up to 25%, 50% or something like that? Hope you can explain it to me. thanks you.
It's your bush has leaves? No? - 25%. Otherwise 50. Grass? Always 25%
Very good vid.
When did camo started to work this way ? I haven't played for years and I can only remember that you have to pull back untill the bush becomes opaque befor firing. In light tanks I remember spotting in single bushes and never being detected before. Now I'm starting to play again regularly and I'm often spotted in my lights while passive scouting. That would explain why... Anyway it's way too complicated and now even behind bushes, 15 m behind u can be spotted 200 m away thanks to cvs ? There's no way trying to hide on many maps
You gotta love the quote
*There is not a single tank that has 600m Viewrange*
Am ...wrong xD
6:00
but 50% bush + 25% tree will do 75% camo wont it ?
either way this helped me a lot ! but I keep wondering 25% tree and 50% bush together do 80% camo ?
I guess for 75% tree to work you need 36%camo + 5 so 41 logically ?
I think 25% from trees ads to 50% from bushes like 50% + ( 25% of that 50% which is 12,5%) so 62,5% should be a bit more accurate i think
It will be 75%
@@rajkolv yea in fact it's 75% not 62,5
okay ty@@iyouxintwitch and would you be spotted only at 50 meters also if you have a 75% bush and a 41% camo if I understood correctly ?
@@elie2133 40% stationary camo would be enough. 75 - 20%, reduced by CVS, leaves you with 60% camo from the bush so your tank needs to have 40% stationary camo. Keep in mind that if you move CVS will reduce 12.5% of you moving camo.
so basically that 36% camo mark just is, no explanation, WG decided it's gonna be that way, same with proxy spot... why it is 50m? because WG decided it's 50m, some game mechanics are just set at some value because somebody felt that it would be okay to have that value up there 🤷♂️
another example: in NBA made by 2K there is a player stat "ball handling", if you have this stat at 86 or higher (range 25-99) you can run around your defender, but it you have the same exact player with just 85 ball handling, you won't get past the defender, he'll lock you in place like he glued you to the floor... why 86? nobody knows, it's just the way it is 🤷♂️ so I wouldn't look for an explanation for the 36% camo value being some calculated value, it's just a set value that WG picked...
nonetherless an amazing explanation and the most important thing for me - the bush camo values, I knew they had different values, but didn't know what and how to recognise them 😅 so thank you very much Professor Iyouxin 💙
36% is not random - CVS is reducing the maximum camo from bushes from 80% to 64%. The description is that bushes give -20% camo in the slot, and 80% times 80% is 64: so you add back 36% camo on the vehicle with 64% from bushes and that gives 100% camo, then you can only be spotted in proxy.
I will work hard on making full guide on spotting mechanics. You are gonna love it
Very clever
This explaination is neat - except for the emphasis on 36% camo. My Sheridan with max camo skill, low noise exhaust, and exterior camo has less than 35.81% camo.
Am I supposed to need field mods or consumables to get to 36%?
Just don't spot with it in line on bushes. ua-cam.com/video/koGDFCqAf7Y/v-deo.htmlsi=bzi0fkAEPuscWcYi check this video too
You are the beast 😄 Can I have a link to Excel?
It's in our discord, please check out
Thanks bro, I am grsteful
THANK YOU 👌
Great vid my WR just fkn boosted i feel like my enemies are bots XD thanks!!!
Nice guide man. Is there a website where we can see tanks visibility points? So we can tell if that little part of the track that's sticking out of a bush really makes a difference.
Check WG videos in spotting mechanics
where can I get the camo calculator?
Great work btw! Keep it up!
Our discord
spotting guide for every map please
I have to say it, your sometimes really annoying iyouxin, but these videos are on another level. Really profesional work ! Nothing i didnt know but ill leave you a sub and a like just for your way to explain camo.
🤤 fenks
wow amazing ty
Great video. But u mean that u need to sit behind the bush to make it to an 80% one? Or it also work if u knock a tree into a bush so both overlap and sit in it?
Both overlap
arond 20:00 mark, why do you have Turkish words on your search bar? :)
That's Google suggested
People are still getting confused by stating that 50% + 50% = 80%. Rightly so because from a mathematical point of view this of course does not make any sense. It should therefore be pointed out that in WoT there is a practical limit of 80% camouflage offered by foliage. In other words, no matter how many 50% bushes or fallen trees you have between you and your opponent, the provided camouflage is never be higher than 80%.
I wish WoTB have you, this is a great video
Very informative! But where do you get this camo calculator? XD
In the description go to discord. There a channel #camo-calculator
nice
"25+25+25+25=80 that's how camo in WG works" - all you need to know how logic works in WOT ;)
The 80% hard cap is a conscious choice. It stops every tank from achieving 100% camo and allows campers to get outspotted by tanks that are meant to outspot them. Now if you want near 100% camo in your HT you have to sacrifice one equipment slot for camo net and another for vents. And only some HTs get 20% camo that way. That's also when CVS kicks in and drops the hard cap to 64% so HTs aren't allowed to camp.
Hello, I loved your video and the excel is very accomplished, but I have doubts because the vision, the camouflage and if the enemy tank has CVS, doesn't it have an influence? I understand that the excel is a reference but the enemy tank also influences.
Great job
Our document has it all
"Understand Camo in 23 minutes", but this video is only 22 minutes long, meaning I will never unlock the secret knowledge of camo.
XD
This math makes sense. But how do you make it useful given in game there’s no time to crunch numbers? Do you memorize a few numbers before you go in?
Yes
Iyouxin, is there a video or website that shows all the different trees by camo provided?
25% or 50% that's it.
Has leaves or it's green - 50% . The rest is 25. You welcome
Your awesome
I still dont understand when bush conceal gets added, like when you are in a bush and enemy is in an open field does it count as both tanks gets the bonus as theres a bush in between or only you get it as you are actually in the bush?
When the bush is transparent to you, meaning when you're 15m or closer to it, it no longer clouds YOUR vision. You are at that point spotting through it. But from the enemy's point of view, it is camo for you. This is why when you shoot at the enemies from a bush, you should be over 15m from the bush so that it is no longer transparent and keeps its camo when you shoot.
Its like an lecture.
I fall asleep 😴
Lol 😂
Great explained. I know now how to use the bushes. But its really hard to understand the mechanics
Great Video🍀🌞👍😁
iyouxin causaly being a pro in understanding camo makes me feel dumb
🧐 explain yourself 😂
@@iyouxintwitch Well done learning the mechanics, I personally do appreciate a CC finally understanding these things. Lets not forget though that few years ago you were completely oblivious of the 80% hard cap for example. :D you've gone long way since and keep spreading this correct information to fight off the misinformation currently out there. I especially like that you're the first streamer to understand the Fisherman's Bay bushes thing. No one else, like QB and Dakillzor etc still doesn't get it.
The newer commander's vision that counteracts camo is 20p it needs to be nerfed if anyone's wants to run with camo as a tactic in my not so humble opinion
Great... so on what map are we supposed to use this? New Mountain Pass where they removed all good TD positions? Or all the other maps where we are supposed to bush behind some grass.
On all maps. I constantly use bushes and knock down trees on all kind of maps, even Paris and Ensk. When you understand the mechanics, it opens up tons of positions to use to spot and for example shoot a few times before relocating. I can tell from experience that people in this game are extremely oblivious and don't understand where they get spotted from, even if they see a tree falling.
@@LethalWalou, basically what I see, is dummies without good optics whining so Wargaming remove all good snipe locations so they can play with 400m view range.
Enter the Matrix
is there any link tho this google table with calculations?
in our discord. Camo calculator channel. Check description
@@iyouxintwitch thanks!
why does it matter that the tank is passing through one line of the bushes, when one bush gives you 50 percent camo and that's enough to make you only be proxy spotted if u have 36% camo? shouldn't he only be able to be proxy spotted?
50% camo and 50% bush _proxy only
Where can i download that?
Discord
I have 56% camo on EBR105 no one can find me if I'm in bush, only 50m😂
Thank you very much. You nedd to be CC from WOT. They must forget everything!!!!! You are the best.
Wow, thank you!
@iyouxin : where can i get ur calculator? :)
A new updated version of the camo calculator is now available here: discord.gg/R5nGuXkwhX
How can I get that sped sheet.
In our discord
I♥BUSHES
Where is the link to the sheet? The discord doesn't work.
Works for me
I cannot join it, it just says question 1 of 4 required and I cannot advance past it... I have tried joining many times@@iyouxintwitch
discord.gg/8FWR3Gwe try this brother. I made a new invite
So if I knock a tree into a bush and then sit IN the bush (not behind) do i get max camo or do I still need to sit behind it? Thank you!
It works both ways. If enemy is in front of you, you can be outside of the bush and fire. You sit in the bush too cover your tank if you expect enemies to pick from the rear or the side
@@iyouxintwitch And If I put a tree over the bush, will this change anything ?
@@Joakim86 the camo of the "box" with a tree 🌲 and a bush will be combined.
How I get this Excel document?
On our discord
Hi, where can I download the google xlsx you are using in the video
On xin server I think
Discord
@@iyouxintwitch thanks
Why is the difference between 35.9% and 36% so big?
I will explain it in the spotting mechanics guide
so are you saying I don't need to boost my camo on say ebr?
I think you should. Because you won't be spotted on the open field. But some tanks can't get 50% camo no matter what you do
the problem is differnciating between types of bushes
Has leaves = 50%, no? 25%
There's only two types. The bush/tree either has foliage or it doesn't. When it has foliage it's 50% and when it doesn't it's 25%. That's literally extremely simple.
I have a bush
What wait? - nvm.. 50+50=80
Sorry, I did not watch the whole vid. Where can I download this spreadsheet? Thanks.
In our discord
Excuse me , im not an english native , what is the CSV ?
Commander vision system. Equipment that removes 15% camo behind the foliage
@iyouxintwitch ty :) amazing vids bdw and gratz on 100% Moe on Bc
Can someone please tell me the math as to why do you exactly need 36%+ camo to not get spotted by anything? I just hate when i dont know why 36 is such a magical number
A replay from @Uberrandom in another comment may help you: "36% is not random - CVS is reducing the maximum camo from bushes from 80% to 64%. The description is that bushes give -20% camo in the slot, and 80% times 80% is 64: so you add back 36% camo on the vehicle with 64% from bushes and that gives 100% camo, then you can only be spotted in proxy."
@@chuihoi1423 Keep in mind that 36% is what you need if you are stationary. If you are moving you'll need 41.15% camo while moving to only be spotted by proxy.
Comments are great
@@chuihoi1423 Thank you very much, it should ve been kinda obvious to me, I just didnt know how CVS works, aka does it reduce both tank and bush camo values separately or the total value.
@@e_Moses ty to you as well
can u share excel ?
In our discord
I didn't pay so much attention even in classes, excellent teacher, excellent service (5 stars)
Lol 😂 thank you bro, it really means a lot
Please re-post Is-7 videos :)
Turkish google suggestions and russian Gmail? 🤨
Yeah maxed out on camo for elc and they spotting me and in same bushes that are 50% but keep believing the mechanics act as they should. I mean im maxxxxxxxxxxxeddddddddddddddddd
if you do get spotted it's either your tank is outside of it or you are moving and they have CVS.
@@iyouxintwitch tell me honestly do you think RNG is not rigged and I mean shooting and all the mechanics? Im telling you what you are experiencing is not normal, its a gamble. Its not strict mechanics. Sure probably with your account, i see 90% of your shots go straight but im about 80% accurate on the nose and I never ever get above 50% pens. RNG says nope. Side on 100M miss, 50M side of light tank dirt. The game is really broken. Im pretty good at the game 9000 rating. I know how its supposed to work I know all about it. It doesnt play out like the math dictates lol.
@@iyouxintwitch and the fires at the end of a blowout its hilarious how many coincidences there are. Its so predictable. I just know everyone getting set on fire. Last 3 tanks fire fire fire lol. Game is rigged my dude.
I would like to see some evidence, honestly. The more I learn this game the better I become at understganding how it works. And less I think it's rigged. I wish you to experience the same.
@@iyouxintwitch Well maybe im being dumb. It would not be a new idea. LUL. I find its usually ignorance and I cant base my views on experience as the mind is terrible at filtering information properly. Probably right.
isnt that dumb that u can only be spotted in proxy range if u are in 80%bush and with 36+ cammo
as we all know, WOT is a mathematic game, lol
I wish WOT console’s camo mechanics were the same as PC’s. It’s sooooo bad on console
it cant be worse than here lol
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