Thankyou Mike for all your reviews, comparisons and opinions. I've recently had to install a replacement set of factory speakers in my car (blew the origional ones up) keeping the origional factory installed radio. Before this I knew absolutly nothing about the subject Your content heped my choose a set that I'm really happy with safe in the knowledge that I have the right ones for my situation, best bang for the buck as it were. My only gripe, if you can even call it that, is there didn't seem to be much in the way of comparisons for componant speakers. So eventually I settled on Rockford Fosgate R165-S in the front and R142 in the rear as there was already a componant set in the car and I couldn't be happier now there up and running. I'm aware there are better systems out there if you pay the money and do the install but I'm a grandad of nearly 60 years old and they would be wasted on me. Just thought I'd take the time to say thanks, thats all. You've helped me more than you'll ever know.
Really nice reviews, the only thing is; when you play Only electronic music, it's hard to evaluate how realistic sound these speakers might have, since all the sounds are not related to any acoustic instrument most people can be familiar, maybe include, jazz, classical, rock as well
@@strelizia1534 I’ve seen videos of the same thing with popular music & they’re older than this video. Electro/house isn’t the only genre with unknown artists btw. There are plenty of rock bands, rappers, artists of other genres that he won’t get any flak from UA-cam for. Renzo isn’t lying. Cause the bass from this kind of music doesn’t come from 808s. So it’s not a true bass test.
Thanks a lot for your review! It's probably just a matter of taste, but for my ear the RF 165x3 sounds just right. The P1650 has a kind of concert hall echo, which I definitely do not want in my car.
Totally agree, more definition in sounds and louder on the R165x3 P1650 sound like echos and less volume and less clear Different songs would help also , variation in instruments and bass To my ears of course .....
In reality, the left side is "warm" sounding and the right side is "bright" sounding. It comes down to personal preference. Video creator clearly prefers super bright highs, in which case he would LOVE the old-school infinity speakers as the high end was SUPER bright, to a point that for people like me, gave me headaches. I prefer a more natural neutral sound, so I will either equalize my system using said equalizer OR I would buy speakers that are as close to neutral as possible (usually polk audio go for a neutral sound as possible).
Both seems to be OK to replace factory speakers using factory head unit, no amp. I may need to test them in my car. But for some reason, the Prime at the left sounds more easy to listen, no overbearing high bright sounds like in the Punch at the right. The sound from the Prime is more homogeneous, while the sound from the speaker at the right is too set toward the twitter output, even though the specs shows a starting range from 45Hz, while the Prime starts at 52Hz. I noticed the sound from the Punch some times was better, with some music, but overall, the Prime had better sound to me, and I think they are the best option to replace stock speakers, using factory head unit without incurring in aftermarket amp installation, specially because the Prime has 91dB of sensitivity over the 88db from the Punch. I may need to listen to them in person.
Th RF 3-way (one on left) had a more full sound even though it's cheaper. The RF P1650 has more bias going towards the tweeter (since it's a 2-way only) so of course there will be more emphasized highs than on the 3-way since the 3-way is dividing up the same amount of power for 3 drivers that the 2-way is only splitting by two. That being said, for the average listener that is only planning on installing two or possibly four of these speakers in their car as the only speakers, l would say that the RF 3-ways would be a better choice being that they produce a much warmer, full spectrum sound and a balanced (rather than exaggerated) high end. The RF 1650's being 2-ways have much louder tweeters, which lF you have some separate dedicated mid-range speakers installed as well, the 1650's could be a good choice being that they could balance out some separate mid-range speakers well, however if a person is not planning to run separate mid-range speakers with the 1650's, that heavily emphasized tweeter can lead to some ear fatigue and become just to overbearing for extended listening in addition to the fact that there is a missing frequency range to the 1650's in the mid spectrum precisely because they are trying to run both the base and the mids through the main driver which leads to this deficiency.
In my opinion the one on the lefts tweeter hits higher notes but there Piercingly sharp, harsh to the ear but audible. The one on the right doesn’t register that snappy sound it’s softened by silk tweeter and sounds richer softer hits the note smoother I prefer the Right Side . I like watching your videos by skipping to the sound test and closing my eyes to be unbiased so far outta everything I’m most impressed by the JBL line and I’m a Rockford old school fan of them all hi fonics cv ppi us Memphis mtx. But as of Late JBL kicks all ass. Tell me I’m lying 🤥
Like Daniel said the RF 165x3 sounds better for my taste too, even though the P1650 you hear the bass punch cleaner but sounds like it is missing range.
What about the Rockford Fosgate Power T1650 2way full range 6.5? Is that a similar sound as this RF you're testing on the right side here? Or have you ever tested the Power T1650 6.5 before?
planning to buy rf speakers if i buy this 2 models would these be a good quality sounds comb in my car? 3way front 2 way rear? newbie open for suggestions
Having R1675x2 in my car now, they are Extremely BRIGHT when play at high volume...the 2 way is EVEN BRIGHTER than 3 way shows in the video...only able to play at medium volume...
Great videos comparing speakers live performance. Help me to choose my replacement speakers. However, Idk if you stated somewhere the music source, meaning, which head-unit you are using indicating the rms wattage, as if amp is also used or not... That would the the cherry of the pie on your video series. Cheers!
Hi Mike, I just bought some pioneer TS-R1650S and Rockford fosgate 6.5 Prime for the back, in the other car I have pioneer TS-A6993S 6x9 in the back and you can hear the difference in the bass.
Does anyone know what the main difference is between the 3 way R165X3 in this video and the punch series 3 way P1675? I currently have the P1650 and the highs seem like they are too harsh and "tin-like" and they overpower every other part of anything I play. God forbid I listen to anything with cymbals, it practically screeches and you can't hear any other part of the band... The bass/mids are maxed through the stock head unit, with my treble set far below them, and the listening fatigue is still almost immediate 😞. Looking at the 2 speakers I mentioned above and of anyone has any personal experience with them or knows why I should choose one over the other I would really appreciate it!
Sry if my English bad, in your case if high freq dominan than mid and low frequency, i think it because wrong cable installation positive and negative speaker cable.
For half of the price the cheaper one.. If you got a normal car or truck while you're driving the exterior sound and engine will contribute to ain't hear any difference...
I have primes components in the front and punches coaxial in the back. Punches have alot better midbass and the primes have less bass but the tweeters sound better. Im gonna end up replacing the primes with Punches.
punch should beat prime,right? you proberby want to hear them in a car, not right in front of you aimed at your face. they also should be part of a total system not just one speaker.
@@lizcano30 i have owned 3 sets. I replaced them with mtx terminaters. Huge improvement in sound quality across the board and they actually put out some bass and midbass
Dude ... electronica is the WORST music to use as a test track. If you are worried about a copyright strike , just use Otis McDonald's UA-cam track " On my way home." It's free and has plenty of bass , mids, and treble. It's sort of a modern funk track and is an excellent test bed track .
Thankyou Mike for all your reviews, comparisons and opinions. I've recently had to install a replacement set of factory speakers in my car (blew the origional ones up) keeping the origional factory installed radio. Before this I knew absolutly nothing about the subject Your content heped my choose a set that I'm really happy with safe in the knowledge that I have the right ones for my situation, best bang for the buck as it were. My only gripe, if you can even call it that, is there didn't seem to be much in the way of comparisons for componant speakers. So eventually I settled on Rockford Fosgate R165-S in the front and R142 in the rear as there was already a componant set in the car and I couldn't be happier now there up and running. I'm aware there are better systems out there if you pay the money and do the install but I'm a grandad of nearly 60 years old and they would be wasted on me. Just thought I'd take the time to say thanks, thats all. You've helped me more than you'll ever know.
Really nice reviews, the only thing is; when you play Only electronic music, it's hard to evaluate how realistic sound these speakers might have, since all the sounds are not related to any acoustic instrument most people can be familiar, maybe include, jazz, classical, rock as well
He just got through saying he cant because copywrite issues
@@strelizia1534 I’ve seen videos of the same thing with popular music & they’re older than this video. Electro/house isn’t the only genre with unknown artists btw. There are plenty of rock bands, rappers, artists of other genres that he won’t get any flak from UA-cam for. Renzo isn’t lying. Cause the bass from this kind of music doesn’t come from 808s. So it’s not a true bass test.
BLUES music too
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Thanks a lot for your review! It's probably just a matter of taste, but for my ear the RF 165x3 sounds just right. The P1650 has a kind of concert hall echo, which I definitely do not want in my car.
Totally agree, more definition in sounds and louder on the R165x3
P1650 sound like echos and less volume and less clear
Different songs would help also , variation in instruments and bass
To my ears of course .....
Bram the Man! I agree, I noticed it straight away. I’m gonna install all four prime’s in my car and see how they sound with a sub & amp.
@@1234nikster watch his video on the primes vs jbl629 at the end he explains how the prime sounds with amp
I have both of those Rockfords in my car…it sounds great
In reality, the left side is "warm" sounding and the right side is "bright" sounding. It comes down to personal preference. Video creator clearly prefers super bright highs, in which case he would LOVE the old-school infinity speakers as the high end was SUPER bright, to a point that for people like me, gave me headaches. I prefer a more natural neutral sound, so I will either equalize my system using said equalizer OR I would buy speakers that are as close to neutral as possible (usually polk audio go for a neutral sound as possible).
Neither of these are what id call warm. Very bright
Thank you for making these comparison videos, well done sir
Both seems to be OK to replace factory speakers using factory head unit, no amp. I may need to test them in my car. But for some reason, the Prime at the left sounds more easy to listen, no overbearing high bright sounds like in the Punch at the right. The sound from the Prime is more homogeneous, while the sound from the speaker at the right is too set toward the twitter output, even though the specs shows a starting range from 45Hz, while the Prime starts at 52Hz.
I noticed the sound from the Punch some times was better, with some music, but overall, the Prime had better sound to me, and I think they are the best option to replace stock speakers, using factory head unit without incurring in aftermarket amp installation, specially because the Prime has 91dB of sensitivity over the 88db from the Punch.
I may need to listen to them in person.
The right speaker sounds very clear and overall better.
Really nice review love it
Punch speakers all day for the win
Th RF 3-way (one on left) had a more full sound even though it's cheaper. The RF P1650 has more bias going towards the tweeter (since it's a 2-way only) so of course there will be more emphasized highs than on the 3-way since the 3-way is dividing up the same amount of power for 3 drivers that the 2-way is only splitting by two. That being said, for the average listener that is only planning on installing two or possibly four of these speakers in their car as the only speakers, l would say that the RF 3-ways would be a better choice being that they produce a much warmer, full spectrum sound and a balanced (rather than exaggerated) high end. The RF 1650's being 2-ways have much louder tweeters, which lF you have some separate dedicated mid-range speakers installed as well, the 1650's could be a good choice being that they could balance out some separate mid-range speakers well, however if a person is not planning to run separate mid-range speakers with the 1650's, that heavily emphasized tweeter can lead to some ear fatigue and become just to overbearing for extended listening in addition to the fact that there is a missing frequency range to the 1650's in the mid spectrum precisely because they are trying to run both the base and the mids through the main driver which leads to this deficiency.
i like the prime series because it would be perfect since im running a rockford fosgate p3 10 sub
In my opinion the one on the lefts tweeter hits higher notes but there Piercingly sharp, harsh to the ear but audible. The one on the right doesn’t register that snappy sound it’s softened by silk tweeter and sounds richer softer hits the note smoother I prefer the Right Side . I like watching your videos by skipping to the sound test and closing my eyes to be unbiased so far outta everything I’m most impressed by the JBL line and I’m a Rockford old school fan of them all hi fonics cv ppi us Memphis mtx. But as of Late JBL kicks all ass. Tell me I’m lying 🤥
Punch is more detailed and brighter...but depending on application and budget it could go either way
What would you choose between these Rockford P1650 vs JBL Stage 2 634 ?? Thank you! nice video
I didn't use headphones but I like the 2 way. Just cause it is a 3 way doesn't make it any better.
The Red box is better , like nice video
Like Daniel said the RF 165x3 sounds better for my taste too, even though the P1650 you hear the bass punch cleaner but sounds like it is missing range.
I think the one on the left sounds better. The one on the right had almost no bass reproduction.
I like ur speaker🔊comparisons sick
The one on left sounds better to me
What about the Rockford Fosgate Power T1650 2way full range 6.5? Is that a similar sound as this RF you're testing on the right side here? Or have you ever tested the Power T1650 6.5 before?
I wish you would just point at the speaker playing, to confusing watching you press buttons.
planning to buy rf speakers if i buy this 2 models would these be a good quality sounds comb in my car? 3way front 2 way rear? newbie open for suggestions
Which is louder on an oem stereo. Rockford Fosgate R165X3 or Rockford Fosgate R1675X2?
Having R1675x2 in my car now, they are Extremely BRIGHT when play at high volume...the 2 way is EVEN BRIGHTER than 3 way shows in the video...only able to play at medium volume...
Rockford power series! 6x9 the 2 way vs 3 way would be interesting.
Thanks man.
Did you ever do a review or comparison on the Sinustec ST-165 ?
Mike I like your Demos but how about some BOSTON, BOB SEGER, REO SPEEDWAGON, LYNARD SKYNARD
I think we dont have them In US
@@LIFEINSPEED If you are in the United States you should be able to play them Old School Music everyone likes the ones I mentioned Thanks Mike Angels
I've gotta say for tweeter clarity ? I'm going with the speaker on the left
I thought left was better over all
The speaker to the left clearly sound better
Did he say what amp or how many watts he was pushing ?
Great videos comparing speakers live performance. Help me to choose my replacement speakers. However, Idk if you stated somewhere the music source, meaning, which head-unit you are using indicating the rms wattage, as if amp is also used or not... That would the the cherry of the pie on your video series. Cheers!
Hi Mike, I just bought some pioneer TS-R1650S and Rockford fosgate 6.5 Prime for the back, in the other car I have pioneer TS-A6993S 6x9 in the back and you can hear the difference in the bass.
Wich one is better for clean bass?
@@Yanudibraim7111 the old pioneer a6993s
Does anyone know what the main difference is between the 3 way R165X3 in this video and the punch series 3 way P1675?
I currently have the P1650 and the highs seem like they are too harsh and "tin-like" and they overpower every other part of anything I play. God forbid I listen to anything with cymbals, it practically screeches and you can't hear any other part of the band... The bass/mids are maxed through the stock head unit, with my treble set far below them, and the listening fatigue is still almost immediate 😞. Looking at the 2 speakers I mentioned above and of anyone has any personal experience with them or knows why I should choose one over the other I would really appreciate it!
Sry if my English bad, in your case if high freq dominan than mid and low frequency, i think it because wrong cable installation positive and negative speaker cable.
Do you have a comparison of the power series vs punch?
The punch is better
@@demonclub7050 against the power? No way lol. Against the prime, yeah.
For half of the price the cheaper one.. If you got a normal car or truck while you're driving the exterior sound and engine will contribute to ain't hear any difference...
i would love to hear these two with R250x4
whats the name of the song at 5;53 on the rockfords
What speaker would you recommend if I have a subwoofer. Budget $70-$150
The mtx thunder are bad ass but they require a amp. If not JBL or Alpine is good
whats the name of the songs on the rockfords
I have primes components in the front and punches coaxial in the back. Punches have alot better midbass and the primes have less bass but the tweeters sound better. Im gonna end up replacing the primes with Punches.
Are you running it off of stock head unit
@@y0urmak3r no 5 channel alpine amp
Everybody asks why it's so loud when they get in. Usually jeep sound systems aren't that good.
I think you got Placebo.
punch should beat prime,right?
you proberby want to hear them in a car, not right in front of you aimed at your face.
they also should be part of a total system not just one speaker.
Cheaper Prime speaker on LEFT is BETTER!!! Half the price too!!! THX
Yes it is but can’t handle its
rms ratings. Burnt out both tweeters in a weeks time with a Kenwood amp at 60 watts rms.
@@tyreegatson7450 Specs at RF website clearly states 45W rms for the R165X3... so blow up is expected
I like the punch series better than the prime
The cheaper prime sounded better
Agreed
Prime are just factory upgrades but punch is the next better speaker then there is one more but forgot the name.
The power series is what you’re thinking of I believe
What’s the song at 7:55?
Left won
I own the ones on the left. They suck
real name I have them also and i like them...do you have them to an amp or straight of the radio?
@@lizcano30 i have owned 3 sets. I replaced them with mtx terminaters. Huge improvement in sound quality across the board and they actually put out some bass and midbass
@@lizcano30 What's your case? With or w/o amplifier
@@lizcano30 straight stereo homie, I run fosgate punch 1 complete setup with 15s in my silverado... And punch 2 in a Stratus ... Fosgate is amazing..
I think 3 way sounded better. Maybe it was just my ear buds
p1650 is now $129 on amazon
Bro please review steg leo 650c
3 way sounds better I would pic the one with the highest rms and least expensive.
song at 11:12 ?
Electronic music is not very good for comparison. Who plays that stuff? Need Rock, Metal or HipHop.
Yeah , that music isn't good as a test track.
Test rockville 6.5 speakers.
Will do
Our ears definitely are different
Have you done Sony gs xs line. They use to cost $150 a pair
If discontinued then so point
The one on the left is better
Para mi es mejor Punch!
tengo el prime me parece mejor. los agudos del punch tambien son buenos
One on left sounds nicer $99
Dude ... electronica is the WORST music to use as a test track. If you are worried about a copyright strike , just use Otis McDonald's UA-cam track " On my way home." It's free and has plenty of bass , mids, and treble. It's sort of a modern funk track and is an excellent test bed track .
Punch
No one has punch bass