@@moostymoosty7857 _"friend"'s behavior was wilder to me than anything zilian did_ What the fuck dude? Guy straight out faked being in a wheelchair. There's a Family Guy episode like it where Lois is blind. Learn from those lessons if you cant see them in this YT video.
What most people who use the "she tried to take away peoples attention" arguement forget/didn't remember, there has ALWAYS been a steam delay. Meaning, for her reaction to have been so accurate, she woudl've had to talk BEFORE he stood up. Insane coincidence though
@@LoveToSpootch Yeah I’ve heard of this guy before and I’ve heard that the girl reacted really harshly… But I just watched the clip and she didn’t react at all? Did I miss something what is the audio overdubbed or something?
Honestly, being honest about his recovery journey would have probably gotten him _more_ support and _more_ donations than pretending to be wheelchair-bound the whole time. Never underestimate the power of compassion. Humans want to see each other getting better. Lying was the wrong move on every possible level.
He didn't lie. He simply wasn't open about his recovery-- he never stated he was wheelchair bound for the rest of his life. That's a narrative made up by the internet. I wouldn't really say either that he ''made a mistake'' by not updating his viewers on his recovery process. It's none of the viewer's business in my opinion to know everything that happens with a streamer in their own personal life, however, I can see why some would see it differently. I don't think he wanted more support or more donations either way.
@@aisha.bint.husayn.al-saud He did lie when he said that he fell off the chair, when he very clearly and obviously stood up and walked away. And I suppose you're right that it isn't a mistake that he committed fraud in taking money from his fans under false pretenses. That was a premeditated crime. Mistakes are accidental, and that was deliberate. If he wanted to keep his recovery to himself, the right thing to do would have been to put out a message saying he would no longer accept donations for a reason he would not share. Very easy way to keep your privacy while also not committing fraud.
@@aisha.bint.husayn.al-saud You don't think he wanted more support or donations?? lol! You must be naive. This guy is a fraud, he was taking plenty of gifts and donations on the premise that he was paralyzed. His girl at the time was just as scummy because she was covering the lie. She deserves to be ousted too. He has "learned from his mistakes" only because he was caught.
@@iRAWT You chose to go into the insulting route, why? You are aware you're able to educate other human beings simply by doing just that without calling them ''naïve'' or whatever. Not everyone's a keyboard warrior out to get you!
I mean, it was a twitch channel with a couple of hundred viewers. You making it sound like he lost out on millions of dollars and not just a hobby that made some side cash.
Hi Sunny, I appreciate you fairly covering this story. For viewers: Ever since I spoke with Zilian / Itsblooish back in 2020 and saw the prior photos of him in a wheelchair I realized much of what had been said about him in the past was mostly unsubstantiated bullshit. In my view, Zilian's biggest mistake was not updating his stream regarding his physical therapy progress. He never created a fake disability, and as far as I know he never told anyone he wouldn't be able to walk again. Rather Zilian was actively participating in physical therapy to regain his mobility and needed the wheelchair in the interim. But with him always in the wheelchair on camera, some viewers naturally assumed he was permanently paralyzed and were stunned when he stood up on stream. The clip goes viral, and the "handicapped streamer fakes a disability" narrative becomes part of internet history. Zilian was banned for faking a disability, which is something he provably didn't do. That said, he made many mistakes, which he has admitted to. He should have been updating his stream on his physical therapy and mobility status so a misunderstanding like this could never occur. I agree with Sunny, Zilian has learned his lesson and in my view should be given the chance to simply EXIST on the internet. So shoutout to Sunny and shoutout to ItsBlooish/Zilian. Take care folks.
I mean, I'm a wheelchair user who can also stand/walk a little. So instantly assuming someone's faking when they stand is no bueno. But this dude is a piece of work with his gaslighting - he's the reason why folk like me have to fight for recognition of wheelchair users who can walk but still genuinely need a chair.
Instantly assuming someone in a wheelchair is faking when they can walk or stand is no bueno. Refusing to believe a proven liar years after the fact is logical.
@@zacdavid184 For me....it is the point of declaring a disability and profiting off it. He just needed to be honest. It would have gone in a different direction....more positive.
@@SiberianIce2022 The deceit is most of the problem. He could have just admitted that he was in physical therapy or whatever the truth was; being able to walk again is a huge deal and would have been celebrated by most of his followers. This is a big reason I question how legit the injury was in the first place, or how much he was malingering. It's hard to imagine someone having the ability to walk taken from them and then not realize the amazingness of getting it back, I say as someone who is also disabled.
The fact Twitch said they have "zero tolerance for this behavior" is the real joke. They protect streamers that do this all the time and ban the smaller ones. Twitch is the real joke
Well, not quite a joke, but then they didn't say exactly what they meant either - it's the fact that he got himself caught and dragged their name by association into it that they had zero tolerance for
@@bluehornet197 Let’s be honest here. Twitch has perma banned smaller streamers of things that top streamers get away with all the time. You have to be gullible not seeing that Twitch does play favorites.
@@jenniferhamels1176 what other small time streamers are claiming they are wheelchair bound while they are capable of walking? I never made any sort of claim that twitch plays favourites dont twist my words and they very obviously perma banned this guy for his disgusting behaviour and yet he was big so idk what the point of your comment is
Its important to note that most wheelchair users can still walk fine or have some level of mobility. Theres plenty of health conditions apart from paralysis that benefit from wheelchair use especially when out and about.
My daugher and I foudn out that she had cerebral palsy and I was super scared of her needing a wheelchair at some point. She can walk but going long distances can be painful and some times just tiring. I was the one crying over this idea, and SHE was the one who was like, "Oh, I dont mind using it sometimes if I need it." Yeah shes not used it yet, but if we go somewhere like, disney and she needs it, shes not faking it, because she can walk most times.
Yeah having a wheel chair dosent mean they are fully imobelise they can walk for a moment or even sometimes wheelchair are also for support because i have an uncle he was in his wheelchair for about 2 and a half years now and he can walk a couple of meters but he still needs support
Nah, I think even people who kicky foot are pieces of shit. I see you using that foot. I'm not an idiot. Kicky footers should be stripped of their insurance
I’m a wheelchair user because my joints dislocate and honestly this sort of shit upsets me because this is why people think I’m capable of working. I can stand up and walk just fine, the chair is here to take stress off my joints.
I'm fairly convinced that even though he clearly didn't mean to fake a disability from the get go, seeing how it garnered sympathy and support for him and his career he chose not to disclose his rehabilitation.
@@Nikolaj11 He actually addressed this, and if you know how twitch (or back then it might have even still been justintv) the time between her "reaction" and him standing up was less than one second, which would have been impossible due to the delay on the stream which multiple people have confirmed was much longer 11 years ago. Now the tech they've put in to it, has dropped that delay to 5 seconds or less, but even then if you go by the delay she responded so fast that it's more or less highly highly improbable that she reacted to him standing up. He did a stream where he talked about the entire thing just a few hours after sunny's vid came out, it was very enlightening to listen to the incident in retrospect. Because he fully admits he panicked and lied, but some of the conspiracy theories people have come up with were completely out of left field and easily explained away.
Completely. He was so quick to shut down people asking why he stood up, and the audible gasp on the stream made it clear it was being intentionally obscured.
@@sethk5396 That's not what happened though. Like i've explained, even on modern twitch there is a delay of 10-15 seconds, you can see this no better than watching certain clips where say Mizkif and Alinity were talking via discord, and how out of sync the audio and the video were while he was watching her stream. Back in 2011-2012 where this happened, the delay was much larger, and her reaction happened less than a second after. It would be impossible for her to have seen that and reacted that quickly, literally impossible. He didn't even know he was on stream, which is why he panicked and lied. Go watch his most recent stream on his channel where he talks about this video, or go watch the interview with Wavy. He fully admits guilt for his actions after this clip came out, but the conspiracy theories and the pure speculation people have come up with have contradicting evidence.
That clip of him standing up and just simply walking away really is one of the greatest steamer moments in internet history. The utter lack of care and the simple devastation of just standing up is unparalleled. Most creators have to say something to do something violent/abhorrent. This dude got up out of a chair and ended his whole career 😆
@@Savariable A steamer is slang for what goes into a toilet that's not yellow. You could easily call the subject of this video a piece of that. I can't believe I have to explain this to you.
If he just said after the stream that he wasn't completely paralysed everything would have been fine. I know wheelchair users who can walk around but they still need a wheelchair. But he tried to gaslight the audience into thinking something else which really made it look like he was lying.
I absolutely HATE it when a person calls out wheelchair bound person for standing up,and say that their "faking it" . It just shows how little they know about how disabilitys work.
So he never meant to fake a disability, but why did he think it was a good idea to keep his rehabilitation progress a secret? Seems kinda suspircious how his girl would get shocked at him standing up in front of the camera, unless they talked about using and keeping up his disability as part of his image? On the bright side, he learned his lesson and decided to keep moving forward
Maybe he kept his progress secret, because he wanted to keep that part of his life private? 🤔 I personally never watched Zilian before though, so I can't say whether he was an open kinda guy or not about other parts of his life; but I know some streamers like to keep their personal lives more disclosed from their audience. Regardless whether he wanted to keep it private or not, he shouldn't have said he "fell" off his wheelchair when he did stand up. Perhaps being open right away could have helped his situation at the time. Wherever Zilian is at, at this point in time, it sounds like he learned from his experience all those years ago, and if he was indeed truthful all that time; hopefully Zilian can be given a fair chance by whatever audience he may bring in.
He clearly created one intentionally. Why else would he go so far as to lie and cover up the fact that he could walk. He very obviously wanted people to still believe he was disabled. Because that's a big part of his persona, that's a big reason why he gets donations. To just wipe the slate clean simply because he's showing remorse is just forgetting all those people he deceived and ultimately received donations from.
@@Whitedudeabove he probably thought at some point that people only came because they thought he was wheelchair bound and he thought he would lose all his viewers if they found out
It's the way he immediately lied about falling and injuring himself when caught that makes me think he intentionally omitted his recovery because it had become a successful part of his brand and identity.
You are being generous by even giving him that, that he was actually, genuinely disabled and legitimately wheelchair-bound at some point before he started milking Twitch donors under false pretenses. Even that we can't say is a sure thing, with the history of dishonesty that this dude has.
The only "proof" or evidence supporting his claim that he was genuinely wheelchair-bound are the social media pics of him in a wheelchair a year or whatever before he even started on Twitch. But whose to say he didn't start scamming, & milking for sympathy donations, people IRL with the fake disability story because he saw the special privileges offered to handicapped people - that are admittedly nice perks, but not when you have to suffer from a genuine disability that harms your quality of life just to be eligible for said perks. Then he decided to try his scam out online.
@@zachdalmaso2131 if you have any proof of your claim then it could be up for debate. But all that you just said was just skepticism. Also he already told everybody the full story.
@@smurgerburger What claim are you even referring to? I never made any claim, which should be clear as day to anyone who is indeed literate and actually read my posts. I just ripped apart the obviously bullshit claims made by somebody else by attacking the incredibly weak and flimsy excuses that only a gullible rube would believe. If you think I need "proof" to attack flimsy excuses then you have not even the slightest idea of how debating works.
I might actually have believed his bs "I just didn't think to tell people about it" story if he hadn't insisted that he fell and was in pain when he got up and walked away lol
@@instantchaos2385 That would be fine if he just acknowledged that he lied about it, but he never directly acknowledges that on that day he immediately covered it up and lied about it. He only talks about having been in a wheelchair previously and never discussing it...
Fr he was clearly milking the wheelchair thing and knew that standing up on the stream was clearly a fuck up for him which is why he cut off the stream and made up the story about how he fell over after despite the fact he was walking perfectly fine.
He had a disability sure but clearly there was malicious intent there. His gf freaked out when he stood up on stream then he moved the camera. Afterwards he lies and said he fell. He knew what he was doing. I can't say I feel sorry for him.
Agreed. Especially because he is still maintaining that his only mistake was not being more upfront about his rehabilitation. Nah dude, your mistake was actively deceiving your viewers and still lying about it to this day.
It's obvious that when people saw him on a wheelchair they thought it's permanent. He never said it wasn't, and therefore got a ton of donations, and realising how lucrative that was he never had an intention to stop.
@@iamfeneq Zillian had an excuse for this moment actually. I don't remember it well but it was something like his dog chewing the cables of the stream setup or something like that, you can see it in the video from *wavywebsurf* whose comment were super liked. And it was actually for this reason that he stood up. Moreover, if I remember well once more, there was an argument with the delay of the girl's voice with the stream and that it was too short or too long to be a shocked reaction from the guy standing up rather than the dog chewing the cables.
yeah what Ryan said.... people just assumed, but he did know what he did, he admits that, go watch his most recent live stream on his channel (on youtube) and he talks about the entire incident in length, having admitted he panicked and lied. He was injured, he did require a wheel chair, but he wasn't paralyzed, from the waist down. Some people, like famously Franklin D Roosevelt, president of the united states during WW2 was in a wheel chair, but most people didn't know that, because he would always stand while addressing the public. I really really must impress upon people to watch his live stream he just did to hear in detail all of the weird conspiracies people came up with.
LOL looks like he conned you successfully. His charade (that his gf was in on) was generating money so he would have kept it going indefinitely if he wasn't exposed
@@challengeyourmind3937 I don’t get how anyone is feeling bad for the guy. It doesn’t matter if people thought he was paralyzed or not; the scumbag still used the wheelchair as a way to gain popularity and profit. A lot of people are missing the entire point and it’s pathetic. Even if he was paralyzed and asked for donations, what makes that right? No one is entitled to anything. No one has to give sympathy for one another. It’s one thing if donations went to a charity but pocketing regardless is disgusting
Quite a few wheelchair users can walk a few steps without needing the chair. But its the story and evidence around it that made it suspicious. Not just the reaction of his girlfriend, but also the camera pointing down, the end of the stream and the fact that he tried to cover it up by saying that he fell.
im disabled and can walk a certain distance but people like this is why i feel terrible for offering comissions to save up for an electric scooter/ wheelchair and disability bed
@@Cottontailart it's not a "handout," you have a disability you didn't ask for, there is no shame in trying crowdfunding or offering commissions! Hell, I offered emergency commissions back in Jan this year because I couldn't afford my car repairs (I work part time), and I raised almost $200 through them. I wish you luck!! It sucks you even have to "save up" for a device to allow you to have better mobility :(
@@vglycorpse2001 thanks I might try that and yeh funding on everything in the UK is messed up atm and it's cheaper to raise money than trying to insure myself
It sucks so hard, cos viewers are going to end up doubting people who really need a wheelchair. (Especially people who are disabled but can get out of their wheelchair for a short while.)
Situations like this is why I don't talk about my schizophrenia unless it's very topical and safe. People have tried to call me out of the blue with nothing else to go on other than me talking about my illness. I fucking wish it was all a lie. I earn nothing from having this curse but boy did I lose a lot.
@@xabhax except not all disabled people are the same and feel the same about their disability. And someone newly disabled would be at a different point in their journey than someone disabled since birth or childhood.
I think he should have at least tried to explain himself after he was "caught". The way he reacted afterwards, trying to cover it up, lying about falling and removing comments calling him out, then not coming out with the truth until 7 years later, it was just a total mess.
I'm disabled. I have a spinal injury and epilepsy as a result of an auto accident (epilepsy resulting from TBI sustained from incident). I was in and out of a wheelchair (mostly on crutches because I refused to give up trying to walk) for about 6 months after said accident. I had urinary incontinence among other serious complications. This seems sketchy as hell. I would be open and honest with my viewers, as I am because my husband and I stream on Twitch, about my recovery process. I'm not sure why you wouldn't. It's personal but, if you're openly throwing your disability out there, talking about it, and accepting donations because of your inability to work a "normal" job (a struggle a large percentage of us with disabilities face, hence why we receive financial aid from the government), you owe updates. You're already sharing a large portion of your personal life, so why not keep your viewers in the loop? The fact he pointed his camera down and didn't try to come back instantaneously to stream and try to explain (or at least in the next stream) that it was a misunderstanding shows he, without a doubt, was faking it beyond his period of disability, if what he stated was even truthful. I'm disgusted and appalled. This is a slap in the face to those of us that struggle immensely to even get by and face constant discrimination because of our disabilities. I genuinely wonder, had he not stood up on camera, if he would've continued accepting donations under the pretense that he was wheelchair bound.
@@madebymai7435 I didn't think about the donations side of it. At first it just seemed like, at worst, he was just desperately trying to keep up a false image, but there were probably people donating because they were trying to help someone who they thought was permanently disabled. Yeah, that makes it pretty scummy, and potentially adds a whole other layer of borderline fraud.
As often is the case, the cover-up is worse than the "crime". Panic can make you do stupid things. In this case, it would have been far easier to casually explain himself. Then nobody would have taken notice, they would congratulate him on his recovery instead.
@@madebymai7435 I don’t think it’s that big of a deal personally. Most of these people come office jealous. He was in a wheelchair, and it was getting out. He handled it incorrectly but it’s not that big of a deal
A friendly reminder that there are wheelchair users who can stand and walk. Due to different reasons, some people might only need wheelchairs for specific situations. So next time you see a person in a wheelchair stand up and walk, don’t immediately assume they’re faking. Not every wheelchair user is completely paralysed Edit: Just came back to clear up some things. My comment wasn’t to insinuate that what he did was right, and that the people who were angry with him were being unreasonable, I’m just saying that IN GENERAL, when we see someone in a wheelchair stand up and walk, we shouldn’t immediately jump to assuming that they were faking being disabled. Obviously, it’s important not to lie about your disability just to get money or benefit yourself or what not, because it just leads people to being skeptical of every disabled person they come across. But it’s also not a bad idea to not jump to conclusions when you see wheelchair users abandon their wheelchairs every now and then, (another example is people with visual impairments using a cane or another mobility aid on this day, and going out without one the next). People shouldn’t be dishonest in how they present themselves (especially if they have an audience or a large following) but, people should also be mindful and avoid making assumptions too quickly. This was just a friendly reminder that not everyone with a disability needs an aid at all times, everyone is different and everything is situational. Sorry about the long edit, I’m not good at putting thoughts into words
But also a friendly reminder that most wheelchair users don't use their disabilities for clout and then lie about the extent of said (POTENTIAL) disability when it turns out they're not as infirmed as they claimed.
Hell, if he'd included his journey as part of his channel, that in itself may well have brought more people in. Also would've been quite inspiring to show how you shouldn't give up and how things like physical therapy really are worth it
Happy to hear he got banned again actions have consequences he should never be allowed back he knew damn well what he was doing he just didn't want his income affected what a manipulator
I am a part time wheelchair user. I have been accused of faking my illness when I go from walking to using wheels, or go from using wheels to standing. I have a disability I wish to God I could get rid of, but this is not the case. People like me are judged, ridiculed, and sometimes called frauds. People jump to snap judgements without knowing a full story. I now stay home as I just don’t want to deal with it anymore.
I have a genetic condition that at the ripe old age of about 26, gave me similar bones to an 80 year old, now it's slowed some so my bones are about 95 years old. My medical team uses my file in class at med school. I look fine. Once in awhile, if the weather is going to turn, if it's cold, or for any number of other reasons that they are being uncooperative, I use a cane. Most of the time I can manage without it (God help me if I ever trip though because stubbing my toe shatters it.) so I do because errands are just more difficult if you have one of your hands tied up with mobility. I have a placard. I've been screamed at more than once. One lady even tried to shove me. People need to stop pretending they are the cops because they aren't smart & are usually very wrong. I shouldn't have to share my medical condition just to park my car & not be accosted because on the outside I look young, healthy & athletic (more body type & former ability than any current activity).
Sometimes I feel the same faking a smile pretending if you're not in pain is very hard but don't give up. I know this is hard to hear I am in a wheelchair to some things will be easy some days and some days will be hard and people will never know what you feel inside because they are not you. tried to get out of the house meet people even if you are in pain talk to a pain specialist that's the first step and make a list of things you would like to do .
Its not that big of a deal, sometimes people are called out who really are faking it and these people are doing the world a service by condemning fakers...which allocates more resources to real actual disabled people...sometimes innocents are caught in the crossfire and thats just how it is
@@sew_gal7340 Easy to say when you aren't the one going through it. While I do think that unfortunately many people are ignorant and that we have to accept it, I find it to be insensitive to tell someone being falsely accused multiple times that it's not that big of a deal. That's something that could mess with anyone's head. It could mess with their reputation both in their personal and/or work life. Someone above even said that people have gotten physical because they're assumed to be an able bodied person faking it. It's not something that is just easy to deal with. I say do your best to ignore it if it doesn't directly affect your life. In cases in which it might have an effect call out people's ignorance. They don't know you and certainly aren't a doctor able to diagnose you by looking at you.
@@spockish9526 wheel chair people want to be treated like everyone else, if you think they should be treated differently maybe you are being ableist and might need to re evaluate your morals. adults handle criticism with maturity and courage, they dont cower in fear and wheel chair people are tough individuals..you ought to respect them more
When I was in a wheelchair I was able to get up and step away from it. I mean it’s not for long periods of time. But I feel like he saw a opportunity and used it to his advantage when those donations was coming in.. he kinda told on himself. Like he said he should’ve just been like hey I was able to get up and take steps in therapy so ppl wouldn’t have been so surprised.
He was definitely hiding his recovery so he could get more sympathy bucks. Like, why else would he try to hide that he got up and walked? If he had come clean nobody would have cared, instead of "Oh no I totally fell and hurt myself owww owww is this convincing?"
It's wasn't just that he stood up and walked but how he stood up and walked. My mom uses a wheelchair but can walk a little bit. When she gets out her chair she doesn't bolt right up and confidently take strides like Killian did though. She uses her arms to push off when she stands and then holds onto anything nearby to steady herself.
@@Neremworld Well yes he admitted to that. He saw how his disability was basically tied to his identity as a twitch streamer, so he overplayed it. But people do deserve second chances.
@@myouniverse0613 This would be a third chance though, because his second chance was when he stood up and walked. If he had come clean then, he would have been fine receiving his second chance. But him lying about it blatantly takes it from 'mistake' to 'scammer'. I have no problem giving someone a second chance, but he lied about it constantly, and my patience runs out fast.
@@Neremworld He didn’t deliberately lie about the disability, though he did omit the fact that he have recovered later on. Then when he was caught he lied to cover it up, and that was wrong too. But these events are really part of the same issue. He deceived people for clout and money. That is wrong and he should be punished for that. Which he was. And now that he’s trying to turn a new leaf, I think it’s fair to let him. He learned from his mistakes and he know what he did was wrong. Ofc, to each his own. Imo this is his second chance to do right by his audience.
I’m disabled. I use a cane because of a neurological condition (still in the diagnostic process tho) and I have to say while people shouldn’t be surprised if a wheelchair user stands (70% of wheelchair users are ambulatory users meaning they can stand) i understand why the audience reacted that way
@@stevierose8749 an anxiety attack based on him being aware of how people might see what happened, can do it. If you have enough anxiety, you eventually scrutinize everything you do to make sure it can't be misunderstood. so if you do something that you know looks bad, in reality just needs an explanation. The anxiety can be crippling and when it involves one's livelihood this most reasonable reaction may not be what you see
I'm not disabled but I can't work full time because I can't say if I will be able to walk when I get up each morning. Sometimes the nerves in back just don't work correctly since I shattered 5 vertebrae 5 years ago in an accident. So I work part time. I just can't know which days and how many of days it will be each week. The days I can't go, I work home. It suck. But I'm lucky to have a desk job so I didn't lose too much of my income. But the people often question why it's like this. I explained to my colleagues and director but the other people at the job, I don't care. You always end up not caring. There's always someone who will assume you do this for some reasons and I just don't mind anymore.
What was the lesson? Like seriously. He did nothing wrong. He was in a wheelchair, then recovered to the point of not needing it 24/7. Zillian did not say he would never walk again. The problem here is that a bunch of moral andys attacked a guy for something they didnt know anything about.
@@frostpyr0 People got mad because he never said a thing about recovering, he still used the wheelchair even though it wasnt needed anymore and people saw that as him baiting them
@@frostpyr0 the normal thing to have done is tell his loyal fans who have been supporting him and given him money about his recovery instead of continuing to not say anything and lie about it to get more money
I will never truly understand why he chose to keep secret the fact that he was getting better. Learning to walk again is an incredible accomplishment and should be celebrated. If he chose to keep it secret in order to keep the sympathy donations pouring in, then that honestly is a pretty scumbag move. But time heals all wounds as they say and so long as he's learned his lesson I don't mind him streaming again.
Lol, it's okay to get pity-money if you're disabled, but not if you're healthy? Healthy people are worth more than cripples by definition, think of it from a slaver's or a politician's perspective. So healthy people should be able to make more than cripples, if pity-money is the only way, so be it!
What bothers me the most is how his loyal and lovingly supportive fans in the chat during the clip were genuinely concerned and worried when he said he fell out of his chair and couldn’t breathe. They were scared he badly injured himself during “the fall” by the frenzied “are you ok???” “You need some help!!” And “please call 911”. People who cared so much about you, your wellbeing and your success. You mistreated, manipulated and took advantage of your dedicated fans EMOTIONALLY which is worse than financially in my eyes. The same fans who dedicates hours and hours of their free time to watch your streams and cheered you on. You betrayed them and it was a slap in the face to your loyal supporters dude. THAT is the most disgusting aspect of this. You didn’t appreciate your fans.
As a disabled person, this man is sick. I hate people who fake disabilities because as more and more people do it, it makes people with real disabilities seem like they might be faking it for attention. Nowadays, I feel embarrassed to use my wheelchair in public.
The fact that people think people can’t walk if they use a wheelchair or they aren’t disabled if they walk is beyond me. I have a fractured spine and when it flares up I CANT walk whatsoever. I’d need a wheelchair or walker to be able to get from point a to point b, but I’m not paralyzed so is it not okay? Yeah he definitely frauded many, but wheelchair users aren’t always bound to their wheelchair unlike the worldwide internet belief
There's multiple people that have a large variety of different disabilities that utilize the use of wheelchairs or walkers. It's just stupid this perspective that you mustn't be able to use your legs if you have a wheelchair like nah it doesn't even have to be your legs or spine affected it can be your nervous system or brain making walking inaccessible form of transportation. I've seen people with issues standing for long periods without fainting use them regularly.
it just goes to show that not being open enough about your struggles like he was can backfire immensely. imagine how different things could have been if he were more open about his issues with his injury outright rather than wait for several years after he obliterated his reputation to reveal the full context of his injury. quite sad really
the thing about being disabled is that it consumes most of your energy and you don't want to tell every detail about their personal struggle maybe as a coping mechanism. Disabled people already face discrimination and being left out everyday so I wouldn't be surprised if he just wanted to not go all out with his details for the sake of mental health.
I would just like to point out here that the majority of wheelchair users aren't paralysed. That means that most of us can stand or even walk a short distance. That doesn't mean we're faking. I, personally, can't even use a wheelchair right now because I can't afford the cost of one that would recline enough or the adaptions that would be necessary to the house I live in, so I'm bedbound. But before my health diminished to this point, I was one of the majority of wheelchair users who are able to stand and walk with help for a short distance, Ambulant chair users are still disabled, not faking or exaggerating. Ableism ftw.
Whoa, dont apply logic to his clickbait title. He needs to throw this disabled persons reputation under the bus in order to get some clicks. Like jeeze
@@frostpyr0 the problem about this disabled person how actual shady he is about his supposed to be disability. when people found out he can actually walked on stream his girlfriend purposely tried to hide hide it instead actually being open that he might be ok walk in short distance but not ok for long distances. I am not sure throwing reputation under the bus part.
I like how this guy straight up gets to the point, instead of plugging some crappy giveaway or sponsor for the first 15 minutes of the video, you earnt a sub man!
In my opinion; I think dude had a SMALL injury for a SMALL period of time where, at a push *no pun intended* he used a wheelchair. He then notices that his donations on Twitch become more regular and milks that opportunity. I don’t doubt he’d still be doing it now if he wasn’t caught without, or in this WITH, a leg to stand on…
That’s what I think I just think he had one at the start and saw all the donations due to being in a wheelchair so didn’t want to get rid of it and lose subscribers and donations
As a 24 year old who legitimately broke his back at 21 and had a major spinal cord injury (T6-T7 complete) I went from a 21 year old machinist who forged his own path in life to a wheelchair bound. I cannot express how angry this makes me and disrespectful it is to the SCI community.
I think that the deceit is what really pisses me off. I have plates, screws....in the neck and back...I also wear braces, and have some sort of electric stimulator implanted in my back (hate the battery pack under my skin). but it keeps me from having to take as strong opiads.....got my car placard and can BARELY survive off the benefits. I don't know how he can live with himself. I really don't see in advantage in being disabled...it really is like I am not even there. I do everything in my power not to use my wheelchair....I can walk, just really slow. And when I do accidently fall; it is always spectacular.😅
@@SiberianIce2022 i'm severely disabled too from age 25. spontaneous total disability is not the experience of most disabled people or chair users and expecting others to conform to your experience is a mistake.
Im hooked on this content like a drug, waiting for the next video to come out and completely shutting every one out till the videos are over, i love this content
This reminds me a bit of some of my experiences as an ambulatory wheelchair user. I don't always need the chair, but there are also days where I can't do anything without it. Disclosing this information is important in certain situations, especially in those where people are monetarily supporting you because of the fact that you have a disability. Being able to walk when you use a wheelchair is absolutely fine, but you absolutely must be transparent about the fact that you are not completely dependent upon it.
the biggest reason was him panicking and trying to come up with excuses when that happened that turned everyone against him, everyone just took his excuses as him admitting that he was lying completely
Does your SO scream "OMG" whenever you stand? Do you feel the need to immediately point any cameras down or hide the fact that you stood up every time you stand?
I can imagine at the time, especially since it was 2013, when he started getting better, he might have felt threatened that he himself was too linked as the wheelchair streamer brand and didn't know how to disconnect himself from it or show that he was going trough change and kinda just stayed with it
He explains it in Waves interview. Was a time where sharing personal info on the internet wasn't a smart thing tot do. He took that too far by not sharing anything.
To be utterly fair not everyone in a wheelchair is parapalegic. Even extensive nerve damage someone is capable of walking short distances, but ultimately a wheelchair is just a mobility aid. Like someone with glasses isnt completely blind. Still if his story was that he was completely incapable of walking I would be side eying this pretty badly
The problem is that he let his audience believe he wasn't capable of walking at all and that his disability was worse than it was in reality. Since he stood to benefit from not saying anything, it's lying by omission. The reaction during the initial stream of him walking clearly shows that this wasn't simply a case of not saying anything in good faith. (I.e privacy, struggling to open up, absent mindedness etc)
I think people just assumed, which is stupid. Unless he clearly stated he could not get up, ever, it’s on the audience for making assumptions. However, he could have just said he can stand when he got up and came back. It didn’t have to be a big deal. Could’ve been a great moment to educate his audience on the spectrum of disabilities.
@@adamlambboy8332 I agree. I don't think it's suspicious per se to not disclose your physical therapy progress. As a disabled person myself, I completely get not wanting the entire internet know about your struggles. If he had acted like it was no big deal and told the truth then and there, none of this would have happened. I would guess that 99 % of his viewers would be very happy learning that he now can walk. The other 1 % percent that would be pissed aren't worth his time anyway.
What’s crazy to me is that if he had truly been recovering during the time he was streaming, that would’ve drawn people in too. People love to have someone to root for. If he had just been open and honest he could’ve still had potential to be a big streamer.
Yeah, but as soon as he's better, he's not getting nearly enough of the "unwarranted guilt" money. I'm not sure why humanity has evolved and thought that people with physical "d--abilities" are worthy of charity. Being in a wheelchair vs. being in a gamer chair and people having to read some chat or description to find out he used to be crippled is a big difference in income from suckers.
@@encycl07pedia- because it’s hard for them to get a job. that’s at least why for me. if they can’t get a job then streaming might be their only source of income for the moment thus if i can afford it then i will donate.
@@hombre6604 Are you kidding me? It's not the 1700s. It's not any harder to sit at a desk whether you can or can't walk. Sure, maybe you're not a telephone poll inspector or a mover. But lots of "abled" people don't qualify for those jobs, either. How about you give money to the homeless who obviously have trouble getting and keeping a job and are in much more dire financial straits instead of some d-bag who can afford to sit around at home playing video games?
The fact he turned his camera away when he stood up shows he knew what he was doing. Whether or not he was "originally" faking it or not, he continued to put on the act because he knew what it got him and he took advantage of it. I feel the fact that he *did* need it for a bit of time is moot. Point is he still lied to benefit himself. He don't feel bad about doing it, he feels bad he got caught.
He put the cam down, lied in the chat afterwards and to every1, he immediately deleted the subscribers comments that were calling him out, changed his appearance, didn't give updates.... and more. People saying he didn't lie, just didn't update that he was getting better... no, this is straight up fraud. It's one thing to not want to give updates, it's another when you go so far to lie and tell a fake story.
He diddnt "forget" to update people he actively avoided it. When he got put of the chair and walked around he immediately tried to hide it, he diddnt say yeah I have limited mobility he said he fell, he said he was still completely disabled.
@@CaraCreations1000 It's not about having to disclose every single personal detail about their lives. It's about intentionally misleading his audience for profit. As soon as he stood up, his girlfriend let out a clearly distraught OMG and started to stutter through a distraction story. He turned the camera away, ended the stream and proceeded to gaslight his chat. He deliberately deleted comments on the matter. Yes, you're right, people make mistakes in stressful situations. But if it's just a matter of not mentioning his progress in therapy or his ability to walk, why was this situation stressful in the first place? They immediately panicked - both of them. They knew he screwed up his act, meaning they were actively trying to hide the fact that he could walk.
@@CaraCreations1000 If you dont understand that he purposfully omit that part in order to gain money... again, i have a bridge to sell. jeeze kryst people like you are the reason why i have my spam folder full of scams.
I feel like people in the comments dont really get the point. Saying "people in wheelchairs can usually walk a bit so idk what your guys problem is" isnt an argument since he didnt portray himself in that way. He actively said and implied that he couldnt walk at all, when clearly after a while of recovery he absolutely could, and he did not update his audience at all. Being handicapped doesnt mean you can suddenly get away with more stuff then another person. Thats like a cancer patient still taking donation money for treatment months after their cancer has been succesfully cured.
Okay but his viewer's aren't entitled to every detail about his life and recovery. The reason he didnt show himself walking was probably because he knew that everyone would jump to conclusions and accuse him of faking a disability. And thats exactly what happened. People jumped and accused him of faking his entire disability. People just assume they are entitled to every detail about his life because they watch his streams and its honestly weird. Theres tons of people in wheelchairs who are able to walk and stand yet they dont tell every stranger on the internet the extent of their disability or ability to walk or not. It's none of the viewers business to know his recovery process and are not entitled to be updated on his ability to walk or not.
@@cosmicbilly To be honest, I'm 50/50 on this one. I agree that viewers definitely aren't entitled to *every* detail of his life, but when it comes to donations, people should at least get some kind of update even if it isn't necessarily good news.
@@cosmicbilly That would be a fair point if he hadn't very often implied and said that he is still permanently bound to his wheelchair. It has nothing to do with entitlement when he is knowingly not disclosing his process and still taking the donations in full knowledge of it, his viewers are absolutely entitled to know about his recovery status if he is actively advertising himself as wheelchair bound and has been taking money in spite of that.
he didnt "mismanage" shit. When he was better he purposefully hid that. Thats why his girlfriend said OMG and he hid the camera. Because he WANTED to keep the lie going. He just lied
As someone with actual paralysis and a T2 spinal cord injury. I find it amazing that he regained total control after 2 years with a disability severe enough for him to be 100% dependent on a wheelchair. Neurotrauma is progressive and the longer that therapy takes the less chance of recovery there is. And after that there should be some residual effect in standing up. I do not believe he was ever 100% dependent on a wheelchair. He may have struggled HEAVILY to walk for a time and slowly worked his way into building the new neural pathways you need to recover, but I don’t believe the total disability story it is very rare that someone like that recovers so well or even at all. Would need to know more about the spinal injury though like how low it was and whether they had to do anything like a fusion or replacement though.
Nervs never won't fully ever regenerate. I can barely bend.....trust me....those things never go away. Hence, my braces, walker, and or wheelchair & my spinal stimulator.. I sort of can see his reluctance to be honest just from personal experience.....getting a job has been very challenging. Most employers I found really won't in their eyes higher a shuffling risk...due to the pain being chronic I can only control so much of it. But......omission of truth does not justify the lie!
People need to take a closer look at his previous "disability", those photos he posted on Facebook, and the people around him that seem to be now covering for him. He clearly never had a disability and found a way to come up with a fake backstory now.
Think about where this MONEY SHOULD HAVE GONE INSTEAD Someone who couldn't walk, someone who has brain damaged, an old grandma in a nursing home, a kid who cant afford food in a 3rd world country, etc etc Instead it went to that CONMAN stealing money from the people who needed it DUSPICABLE AND SHOULD BE IN PRISON
I find it difficult to believe honestly. If he wasn't playing the role of someone badly disabled intentionally, there'd be no reason for the girlfriend to express shock and quickly try to cover for him.
My thoughts exactly. He was definitely faking being disabled, you can tell by how he reacted when caught, This whole bs of his only wrong was not updating people is just looking at it with rose colored glasses. He does not need to be forgiven or seen as a cool dude after running a scam, he daily lied to people and then kept lying after he was caught.
She wasn’t with him, she was watching somewhere else and talking on the with him on the phone. With stream delay, it wouldn’t of been possible for her to react that quickly because of the delay. She started talking before she would have been able to see zillian stand up and walk.
I think that initally he was wheelchair bound but going forward he realised that he could make alot of money just by acting like he needed a wheelchair via donations/gofund me pages without consequences. I think that is the main reason as to why he kept acting like he was wheel chair bound even though he was fully able to walk. His girlfreind realised that he was just acting disabled even though he was fully cured and thats why she was in awe that he just got up when live.
@@rickharrison1887 This delay excuse needs to stop fr lol. Highly weird that she started talking about fishes right after he got up too considering he has a fish tank behind him.
This reminds me of that episode of The Simpsons when Krusty the Clown acts as FDR in a play and during a speech, he gets up out of his wheelchair before returning to it saying “Oh that's right, I'm crippled.”
I'm disabled. I have a spinal injury and epilepsy as a result of an auto accident (epilepsy resulting from TBI sustained from incident). I was in and out of a wheelchair (mostly on crutches because I refused to give up trying to walk) for about 6 months after said accident. I had urinary incontinence among other serious complications. This seems sketchy as hell. I would be open and honest with my viewers, as I am because my husband and I stream on Twitch, about my recovery process. I'm not sure why you wouldn't. It's personal but, if you're openly throwing your disability out there, talking about it, and accepting donations because of your inability to work a "normal" job (a struggle a large percentage of us with disabilities face, hence why we receive financial aid from the government), you owe updates. You're already sharing a large portion of your personal life, so why not keep your viewers in the loop? The fact he pointed his camera down and didn't try to come back instantaneously to stream and try to explain (or at least in the next stream) that it was a misunderstanding shows he, without a doubt, was faking it beyond his period of disability, if what he stated was even truthful. I'm disgusted and appalled. This is a slap in the face to those of us that struggle immensely to even get by and face constant discrimination because of our disabilities. I genuinely wonder, had he not stood up on camera, if he would've continued accepting donations under the pretense that he was wheelchair bound.
@@madebymai7435 or you know he just started walking a bit again, still needing the wheelchair because he couldnt walk much (in the clip he was holding onto the desk afaik) so please dont care didnt ask + youre female
I heard about this last year I think. I hooped on one of his UA-cam streams and he was a super nice and chill dude. Everyone deserves a second chance, hope he gets his channel back
I get the whole being in a wheelchair while being able to walk. One of my classmates is in a wheelchair but can walk, although she has a hard time walking as her legs are pretty weak. She mostly uses her wheelchair but is definitely capable of walking.
Exactly. A lot of people I know who use wheelchairs have autoimmune diseases where they can use their legs but not for very long which is why they need the wheelchair. I use a cane as of now and I hate every second of it bc I know the second I stop putting my weight on it and pick it up to get it out of the way of someone, someone in my family is going to call me a faker. I have weak bones from years of abuse bc of some of them on top of an immune disease we are trying to figure out.
I have been with a few people who were wheelchair bound before, and what I found to be suspicious immediately was the fact that he was in a whellchair all the time. Most people who are stuck in wheelchairs want to be out of them as often as possible. The fact that he didn't have any other chair to replace his wheelchair is what was weird from the get go
The issue is he didn't "accidentally" forget to mention it, as basic reasoning implies otherwise. Anyone who was/is in a situation where true physical disability happens understands the hell of ones body not working correctly. Taking 2 steps after being wheelchair bound for a year or longer would be so exciting and exhilarating u would be shouting from the rooftop about it. U would be so full of hope and determination u couldn't shut up, and would most likely take a step on camera w a 32 tooth smile. Imagine the money ppl would give for that. On top of the girl who was in on it realizing the ride was over, moving the camera, ending the stream, then claiming ur in such terrible pain from falling u can't breathe. Dude knew his success was out of pity and played it like a saxophone, good sax too. Ppl very rarely change and once a con artist realizes how easy it is, they don't stop. He's not sorry for forgetting to mention it, he's sorry he stood up and walked on camera bc he would still be rolling around in front of a camera.
Just look at the pinned comment that got over 6k upvotes talking about how he's actually the victim, it's pathetic and just showcases how gullible and easily gaslighted people are.
I had reconstructive facial surgery on the entire left hemisphere of my face. For a mere three months I consumed nothing but water, gruel level mashed potatoes and Jamba Juice was a wonderful treat to get. When I regained even partial use of my face/jaw I was broadcasting it like I had won the fucking lottery. After being just partially impaired for just a little while, I can say from a place of empathy, not sympathy, that it's not cool to fake the funk. Fuck this dude.
@@Caydiem I like how he pretty much responds to what that comment says, and you claim he’s gullible, yet you ride along with what the rest of the comments say and spit and him for making completely valid points. Typical. Edit: I realise now that he was saying it was Sunny gaslighting by painting out the con-artist as a victim, and that many people buy into it. Yes, it’s absolutely pathetic, my bad misreading it.
I'm amazed by the level of apologist delusion in so many of these comments. "A disability doesn't necessarily mean wheelchair bound", "he clearly didn't mean to deceive his viewers about his condition at first, so banning him is unfair." Did people get brain zapped and not realize that he made a bogus story to gaslight his audience, then waited several years to tell everyone he was really wheelchair bound at 'somepoint'. I'm disappointed at SunnyV2's take in the final minute, saying the second ban seemed unfair. How do you not see through this dude's bs?
@@frostpyr0 you're wrong his mistake were the lies and cover ups. For example commenting how he was in pain due to the "fall". Why are you defending this lol
@@nophion2-electricboogaloo647 This isnt at all what was happening. People seen the clip of a supposed "Wheelchair bound" person walking, and all just ASSUMED he was intentionally misinforming his audience. He never said he will always be in a wheelchair, nor did he say he wasnt getting better. Youre assigning intent that was never there just so you can be upset about a person you know nothing about.
I think this guy was legitimately disabled temporarily, and just chose to maintain the "handicapped guy" image to garner sympathy and donations because it's probably a big part of what made him recognizable. Sure, it's better than faking the whole thing, but it's still lame and dishonest.
I had no idea that a lot of people in a wheel chair can actually walk a few steps until I watched "wheels2walking" channel addressing this matter. It can be a bit intimidating to walk in public or on stream since most people will jump to make fraud accusations
so glad to see your channel grow, sunny! the content quality's been so high recently and you deserved the reactions from the big streamers like moist kritikal
I find it disappointing that he COULD have been a great source of education and representation to the ignorant about how life can change from day to day, and that many wheelchair users ARE able to walk, though not very far, but instead chose to perpetuate the stereotypical 'if you are in a wheelchair you cannot take a single step'. These actions not only lost him his channel, financial support and following, but also further damaged the already marginalized community of people who are physically able to walk (at least to the bathroom) but cannot, for whatever reason, walk much further without assistance. I truly believe he would have found much support among those in a similar position, and would have been cheered on for his progress in regaining his abilities, rather than vilified. No, we are NOT owed every detail about a streamer's life, but if you are managing to convince people of a situation that is not true, then it IS your responsibility to correct that misconception.
That's fair but don't you think a 9-year-long streaming ban, in addition to ruthless public shaming, is enough punishment? I mean if everything in this video is accurate, I think it's not unreasonable for him to get a second chance. But that's just my two cents
Reminds me of my coworker, claims to be the best worker but takes 5+ bathroom breaks a day that last over 20 minutes each time, yells at citizens who don't have their health phi ready, and looks patients up on Facebook while talking to them. Arrives every day late, leaves early most days. I work at the state health department in Oklahoma. I've reported it to HR for over two years because we are the only two taking calls for the entire state health department immunization service and I'm the only one of the phones 90% of the time. I've worked here for three years and this person has also worked here for three years and they refuse to punish this person, I think because they identify as the opposite gender and have clear mental issues. Also the top manager, Paula Deyell, is this person's grandmother. That's probably why this person, Jane Bard, will never be fired for anything. Jane also has fake tourrettes. It makes random noises all day long specifically to annoy me then anytime anyone else comes into the immunizations office, Jane immediately stops making noises the entire time they are there then starts as soon as its only us in the room. When I first started working here, we all went out to a bar, the entire department with all the other offices and Jane didn't make a single noise the entire 5 hours we were there. I hate this person so so sooo much. Our manager Matt McLean is buddy buddy with Jane and Paula and I'm the odd one out, aka the conservative and they're democrats. They can't fire me and they refuse to fire Jane, so we're stuck together.
This is a difficult one. I am a part time wheelchair user because I have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. Somedays, when my health is on my side, I can get by for a little while without it. But on days where I'm extremely fatigued, in pain, having multie dislocations in my hips and knees, my heart is playing me up (irregular heartbeat, feeling like I'm going to faint if I stand), etc. I cannot even get out of bed by myself, let alone walk. But sadly people assume that to need a wheelchair you must be paralysed from the waist down permanently. The truth is there are many reasons to need a wheelchair and rarely are disabled people in that conditions 24-7
But look how open you just were about how you use a wheelchair. Why couldn't he do the same from the get-go? We are not required to disclose health info to anyone as disabled people, but it is a somewhat different story for a disabled person using their condition-- to the extent it existed at all-- for money and clout. they are likewise not required to share health info, but then they cannot be surprised when there's backlash over something like this. He was either lying altogether or wants to have his cake and eat it, too.
Bro has clearly perfected his content, sunnyv2 is like the king of this type of content rn, and he's my inspiration for my own content, keep it up sunny
The problem here is the fact that people have their stereotypes and refuse to listen to anything real about disabilities. When someone is in a wheelchair everyone assumes they can’t stand or walk which is not true many people can actually get up and walk. He was likely scared. People say awful things or give you awful looks for being disabled to begin with but once people accept it then if you don’t fit into that perfect box it becomes the biggest drama that you are a liar or a fake.
And if you really start disabled and then recover and hide that you can actually really walk again, you are not dependent on a wheelchair anymore and even lied about it when you got exposed ?
Honestly, He was better off being more clear on his Recovery progress more and when he finally got better. People would understand better when he can finally work. Not saying he didn't learn a lesson. Just that he let himself get scared and lied and hide it too much
You "the problem is society" types get so tiresome. No one is ever responsible for their actions. Fraud, deception, lying about disabilities. All water under the bridge because someone might give you "awful looks".
Honestly I have EDS and I need a wheelchair at times because I’ll pop my hips and ankles and it becomes very painful. I’m in a wheelchair/bed 99% of the time but I *can* walk. I could get up and jump, it would hurt a lot yes, but I could do it if I wanted to. I wouldn’t even explain to people even if I had an online presence (unless it was specifically about my disability/challenges) then I wouldn’t even explain to people about it because if it’s not the forefront of what I’m talking about then it’s not other peoples business. (Not saying what he did was ok/not ok) people think you need you justify your disability to them and its bs.
@@ichmich9324 just because you can walk 10 steps together doesn’t mean you don’t still need a wheel chair. Lots of people in wheel chairs get accused of being liars because of this misconception.
I have cerebral palsy and I'm furious at the thought of someone getting sympathy donos from good people. If he actually was disabled at some point and recovered, he should not have kept an act. Disability comes in all forms, and the lack of clarity created frustration that he could have avoided. I think the lack of information made people assume this was a betrayal. I suppose it would be uncomfortable to reveal his medical history or progress but it is what it is.
Zillow: **stands up** Zillow's wife: "OMG, we took our dog to the fish shop today..." Me: That must be one good fucking story if you're going to totally ignore the miracle that just happened in front of your face..
His explaining that he's actually really stuck in a wheelchair after the scam got exposed and after taken a new stream alias is just like throwing a bucket of water to a burning mansion
I would have just said that I was starting to be able to walk again, here and there. I was waiting for a special episode to surprise everyone, but I guess the surprise is blown.
As someone that needs a wheelchair (currently) i feel like nobody is gonna trust us anymore just because of him.the moment he just stood up and walked rlly shocked me.i barely make 5-6 steps rn and him just fully walking withouth any kinds of loosing balance or atleast hold onto something rlly shocked me.
I said the same thing. I have multiple sclerosis and thankfully I can still walk but there’s going to come a day where I wake up and no longer will have the use of my legs. This person makes me Ill.
Lying and saying he fell is the problem. If he had just said "I've been recovering and can walk short distances. I haven't said anything yet because I wanted to have more progress before telling you guys" everything probably wouldve been fine.
I dunno man, I am an ambulatory wheelchair user and I'm not dishonest about it. I don't pretend I need a chair to go to the bathroom and I think he purposefully withholding information.
Nah, he was at a time when everyone was encouraged to not share their personal lives and sh*t; he explains this in wavywebsurf's vid. He handled the entire situation wrong and he has admitted and taken full responsibility for it.
@@twinmonster1989 then why did he put the camera down? Why did he lie about it and say he fell? Why did his girlfriend freak out? This isn't about "encouraged not to share", he lied and is still lying today by saying the only mistake he made was not being more open. He was lying on purpose. If he wasn't then there was no reason to lie about falling out of his chair when he clearly got up and walked, no reason to put the camera down, no reason for his girlfriend to freak out. If he had said that at a certain point he realised he hadn't shared enough and doubly want to then because he worried he would lose opportunities then I might think, ok, fair cop. But he didn't do that, he has in fact blamed "cancel culture" repeatedly, which is dodging responsibility. He's owned up, sure, but he's owned up to a version of the truth that is more flattering to him than reality.
@@ZoeAlleyne I will admit I don't know the full truth either, but in wavywebsurf's vid he explains he *did* bump into the table which is what caused the cam to fall. Also his girlfriend "freaking out", again my sources are wavywebsurf's vid, was a coincidence. In fact, at the time there was a stream delay which meant there was no way his girlfriend "would've been able to react to him so quickly." - words of wavywebsurf. Although, thinking more about it, I do agree it doesn't seem like he's telling the whole truth and taking the whole responsibility. Like a commenter on wavywebsurf's vid said, "I don’t think he’s malicious but I still kind of feel like this is a “I didn’t lie I just didn’t correct peoples misconceptions” situation." "He's owned up, sure, but he's owned up to a version of the truth that is more flattering to him than reality." I 90% agree on this, thinking on it more. (not fully because we don't know the whole truth; maybe what he said *is* the truth and we're just distrustful, maybe it's all bullsh*t and he's fooled us again, or maybe there's some truth and some lies that we don't know).
I remember this. The manner on how he stood up and walked afterwards sealed his fate. Like you'd have to wonder what's the point of using the wheelchair if you can get up and stroll like any average normal human. And yeah, still convinced he faked it even to this day.
Just a reminder, and not saying this is the case what so ever, but "being a wheelchair user =/= not able to walk". It's a mobility aid, so some people use their wheelchair part time, when standing for a while is physically difficult. Of course some wheelchair users are full time users. I only say this cause I know people who use wheelchairs daily who get flamed to this day for standing for a second :((
Also to raise this point up in general, remember invisible disabilities exist that stop people from being able to walk all the time. Someone I know has a chronic illness and cant walk long distances without pain
I do concede that point....my sister has MS, it comes and goes in its intensity. Speaking for myself - I could never fake what I go through.....it would be MUCH EASIER to play my life straight with no deceipt.....I would screw up eventually - I guess sort of like he did.
-So why did he lied about falling? -So why did his girlfriend instantly tried to distract people? Simple: (They were using his disability to sympathize more money donations)
@@tlpineapple1 That sounds sorta a stupid excuse.....her reaction would have still happened even with the time delay. There are no excuses; twitch dropped him like a hot rock....stop making excuses for him. One more quick thing....maybe in your eyes it was "physically" unable, but it sure caught her ass "digitally" with no effort at all.
I have friends who use wheelchairs but can also walk, just only short distances. They have things like POTS and M.E. which means depending on the day they can walk using a stick but many days they go out in a chair because they know they won't be able to get far without it. Guys like this really furthers people's belief that some folks fake it. -_-
I watched an interview a different youtuber did with him not that long ago and he explained it how you did here. He had a long facebook history going back years showing him in his wheelchair but he had slowly began to recover and could walk to the bathroom etc unaided and had been trying to push himself further. He said his worst mistake was not being honest with everyone about all of that. Some are saying he still faked it all and somehow all the dates on the facebook posts are faked too, but he seemed pretty genuine in the interview. Though anyone can seem genuine if they are a good liar I suppose!
@@Theunicorn2012 That's what I meant about _Dr. Strangelove._ In that movie the title character was in a wheelchair until he pops up walking and screams "MEIN FUHRER! I CAN VALK!" That's what this dude should have done. It would have been epic.
Honestly as someone who was at one point in life stuck and bound to a wheel chair due to a serious leg injury it Honestly disgusts me that someone would fake especially for money
@@Idkwhythemilkmmanleft I hear you. Apparently this guy sees the same and thinks "money." There may well have been an injury in the first place, but he also clearly malingered and downplayed/omitted his progress entirely at BEST. I think the people who don't see it simply don't want to believe someone would absolutely lie about it for exactly the reasons Zilian did.
Even if it started out as innocent, he made several steps to deliberately cover up the fact that he was walking, that much can't be denied. Even the girl's reaction alone says all that, but the cover ups and the intent to fake a disability channel makes him look like an awful person. He really shouldn't be someone people look up to as a streaming character, which is why I believe that his channel should continue to be banned and he should look for employment elsewhere. There's no excuse for pulling something this awful on your fans
nope, contrary to your flawed logic not sharing personal info isn't actually manipulating people, he didn't "hide" it for more donos he "hid" it because it's personal info that no random strangers need to know nor should know. just because you feel that random strangers are entitled to other people's personal secrets doesn't mean he's a bad guy
what's your credit card info? you semi to think that keeping personal info a secret is bad so follow your own logic and give me your credit card info your social security number and pin
@@The_Paper_Standoffs_W quite the difference between letting your audience know that you are no longer wheelchair bound (and actively lying to avoid them finding that out) and sharing your credit card information on youtube. Who has the flawed logic here...
I feel that yes, Zillian was at one point wheelchair bound and at first it was genuine, but after his legs recovered, he kept up the façade that he was still wheelchair bound since he kept getting so much attention/free money from it. It wasn't originally malicious, but _became_ malicious afterwards, and he paid the price for his screw up. And I can assume Hypn0tical really had it out for Zillian probably due to some fall out the two had, considering he went after Zillian for his secondary Twitch account...despite the fact that he was no longer doing shady shit and moving on. I believe in second chances for people like Zillian, and while I very much think he was dumb for scamming people and the like, he should still be allowed to continue on streaming. He already is punished enough too with people never letting the scamming situation go to, so it's a win-win for both parties I suppose.
The fact that the person who hacked his account was a friend is probably the greatest plot twist I have ever seen.
It's probably pretty common. It's much easier for someone who knows you to gain access to your account than some random person.
I thought in the vid it said someone who he originally streamed with; I assumed that meant an ex-friend
Worst hacker every doxxing himself.
It be the closest to you..
@@moostymoosty7857 _"friend"'s behavior was wilder to me than anything zilian did_
What the fuck dude? Guy straight out faked being in a wheelchair. There's a Family Guy episode like it where Lois is blind. Learn from those lessons if you cant see them in this YT video.
I totally forgot about this guy. That moment he stands up and the girl is flabbergasted never gets old
@Don't read profile photo ok
What most people who use the "she tried to take away peoples attention" arguement forget/didn't remember, there has ALWAYS been a steam delay. Meaning, for her reaction to have been so accurate, she woudl've had to talk BEFORE he stood up. Insane coincidence though
@@LoveToSpootch wow you probably believe he's still in a wheelchair too don't you?
@@anonony9081 relax man
@@LoveToSpootch Yeah I’ve heard of this guy before and I’ve heard that the girl reacted really harshly… But I just watched the clip and she didn’t react at all? Did I miss something what is the audio overdubbed or something?
Honestly, being honest about his recovery journey would have probably gotten him _more_ support and _more_ donations than pretending to be wheelchair-bound the whole time. Never underestimate the power of compassion. Humans want to see each other getting better. Lying was the wrong move on every possible level.
He didn't lie. He simply wasn't open about his recovery-- he never stated he was wheelchair bound for the rest of his life. That's a narrative made up by the internet.
I wouldn't really say either that he ''made a mistake'' by not updating his viewers on his recovery process. It's none of the viewer's business in my opinion to know everything that happens with a streamer in their own personal life, however, I can see why some would see it differently.
I don't think he wanted more support or more donations either way.
@@aisha.bint.husayn.al-saud He did lie when he said that he fell off the chair, when he very clearly and obviously stood up and walked away. And I suppose you're right that it isn't a mistake that he committed fraud in taking money from his fans under false pretenses. That was a premeditated crime. Mistakes are accidental, and that was deliberate.
If he wanted to keep his recovery to himself, the right thing to do would have been to put out a message saying he would no longer accept donations for a reason he would not share. Very easy way to keep your privacy while also not committing fraud.
@@aisha.bint.husayn.al-saud You don't think he wanted more support or donations?? lol! You must be naive. This guy is a fraud, he was taking plenty of gifts and donations on the premise that he was paralyzed. His girl at the time was just as scummy because she was covering the lie. She deserves to be ousted too. He has "learned from his mistakes" only because he was caught.
@@thetherrannative Ah see. Thank you! :)
@@iRAWT You chose to go into the insulting route, why? You are aware you're able to educate other human beings simply by doing just that without calling them ''naïve'' or whatever. Not everyone's a keyboard warrior out to get you!
Dude really just stood up and walked into his downfall
Ha ha ha it's funny cause it's true
🤣🤣🤣
underrated comment
Yeah like literally.
I mean, it was a twitch channel with a couple of hundred viewers. You making it sound like he lost out on millions of dollars and not just a hobby that made some side cash.
Hi Sunny, I appreciate you fairly covering this story. For viewers: Ever since I spoke with Zilian / Itsblooish back in 2020 and saw the prior photos of him in a wheelchair I realized much of what had been said about him in the past was mostly unsubstantiated bullshit. In my view, Zilian's biggest mistake was not updating his stream regarding his physical therapy progress. He never created a fake disability, and as far as I know he never told anyone he wouldn't be able to walk again. Rather Zilian was actively participating in physical therapy to regain his mobility and needed the wheelchair in the interim. But with him always in the wheelchair on camera, some viewers naturally assumed he was permanently paralyzed and were stunned when he stood up on stream. The clip goes viral, and the "handicapped streamer fakes a disability" narrative becomes part of internet history. Zilian was banned for faking a disability, which is something he provably didn't do. That said, he made many mistakes, which he has admitted to. He should have been updating his stream on his physical therapy and mobility status so a misunderstanding like this could never occur. I agree with Sunny, Zilian has learned his lesson and in my view should be given the chance to simply EXIST on the internet. So shoutout to Sunny and shoutout to ItsBlooish/Zilian. Take care folks.
ok but did he provide any medical documents that support that narrative?
Because hes not very trustworthy....
sad how the internet ruins people
I was looking for this comment since I watched your video first. Thanks, wavy!
Crazy story
@@vz1270 did you read the comment?
I love how ive never heard of these people yet the stories are always told in the best way possible. Great job Sunny
There's so many bots these days
bro these bots…
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@Some guy with a random pfp [Mayk Felix] I think I’ve seen your comment in a Hero Hei vid
I mean, I'm a wheelchair user who can also stand/walk a little. So instantly assuming someone's faking when they stand is no bueno. But this dude is a piece of work with his gaslighting - he's the reason why folk like me have to fight for recognition of wheelchair users who can walk but still genuinely need a chair.
Instantly assuming someone in a wheelchair is faking when they can walk or stand is no bueno. Refusing to believe a proven liar years after the fact is logical.
Sounds like you’re just lazy
@@zacdavid184 For me....it is the point of declaring a disability and profiting off it. He just needed to be honest. It would have gone in a different direction....more positive.
@@SiberianIce2022 The deceit is most of the problem. He could have just admitted that he was in physical therapy or whatever the truth was; being able to walk again is a huge deal and would have been celebrated by most of his followers. This is a big reason I question how legit the injury was in the first place, or how much he was malingering. It's hard to imagine someone having the ability to walk taken from them and then not realize the amazingness of getting it back, I say as someone who is also disabled.
@@zacdavid184 For sure see your point....as well as agree with it.
The fact Twitch said they have "zero tolerance for this behavior" is the real joke. They protect streamers that do this all the time and ban the smaller ones. Twitch is the real joke
Yet they banned him while he was big and other streamers aren't doing this lol idk what drugs you're smoking but give me some
Well, not quite a joke, but then they didn't say exactly what they meant either - it's the fact that he got himself caught and dragged their name by association into it that they had zero tolerance for
@@bluehornet197 Let’s be honest here. Twitch has perma banned smaller streamers of things that top streamers get away with all the time. You have to be gullible not seeing that Twitch does play favorites.
But they did ban him & kept up with it 9 years later... r u special needs?
@@jenniferhamels1176 what other small time streamers are claiming they are wheelchair bound while they are capable of walking? I never made any sort of claim that twitch plays favourites dont twist my words and they very obviously perma banned this guy for his disgusting behaviour and yet he was big so idk what the point of your comment is
Its important to note that most wheelchair users can still walk fine or have some level of mobility. Theres plenty of health conditions apart from paralysis that benefit from wheelchair use especially when out and about.
My daugher and I foudn out that she had cerebral palsy and I was super scared of her needing a wheelchair at some point. She can walk but going long distances can be painful and some times just tiring. I was the one crying over this idea, and SHE was the one who was like, "Oh, I dont mind using it sometimes if I need it."
Yeah shes not used it yet, but if we go somewhere like, disney and she needs it, shes not faking it, because she can walk most times.
He wasn’t disabled he had to be in the chair after an accident
Yeah having a wheel chair dosent mean they are fully imobelise they can walk for a moment or even sometimes wheelchair are also for support because i have an uncle he was in his wheelchair for about 2 and a half years now and he can walk a couple of meters but he still needs support
Nah, I think even people who kicky foot are pieces of shit. I see you using that foot. I'm not an idiot. Kicky footers should be stripped of their insurance
I’m a wheelchair user because my joints dislocate and honestly this sort of shit upsets me because this is why people think I’m capable of working. I can stand up and walk just fine, the chair is here to take stress off my joints.
I'm fairly convinced that even though he clearly didn't mean to fake a disability from the get go, seeing how it garnered sympathy and support for him and his career he chose not to disclose his rehabilitation.
Absolutely. If it was merely a slip of his mind his girlfriend, who was clearly in on keeping the image going, would not have reacted like that.
@@Nikolaj11 He actually addressed this, and if you know how twitch (or back then it might have even still been justintv) the time between her "reaction" and him standing up was less than one second, which would have been impossible due to the delay on the stream which multiple people have confirmed was much longer 11 years ago. Now the tech they've put in to it, has dropped that delay to 5 seconds or less, but even then if you go by the delay she responded so fast that it's more or less highly highly improbable that she reacted to him standing up.
He did a stream where he talked about the entire thing just a few hours after sunny's vid came out, it was very enlightening to listen to the incident in retrospect. Because he fully admits he panicked and lied, but some of the conspiracy theories people have come up with were completely out of left field and easily explained away.
Completely. He was so quick to shut down people asking why he stood up, and the audible gasp on the stream made it clear it was being intentionally obscured.
@@sethk5396 That's not what happened though. Like i've explained, even on modern twitch there is a delay of 10-15 seconds, you can see this no better than watching certain clips where say Mizkif and Alinity were talking via discord, and how out of sync the audio and the video were while he was watching her stream.
Back in 2011-2012 where this happened, the delay was much larger, and her reaction happened less than a second after. It would be impossible for her to have seen that and reacted that quickly, literally impossible.
He didn't even know he was on stream, which is why he panicked and lied. Go watch his most recent stream on his channel where he talks about this video, or go watch the interview with Wavy. He fully admits guilt for his actions after this clip came out, but the conspiracy theories and the pure speculation people have come up with have contradicting evidence.
@@ExarchGaming So she gasped audibly for nothing? Sure.
He had ONE job - to not stand up and walk on camera
HOW CAN YOU FUCK THAT UP
LMAO!!!!!!!😝
He also had an alternative job: Updating his followers on his recovery.
@@HappyBeezerStudios nah.
He had a heated gamer moment🤣
Obviously he got so use to standing up out of the wheelchair that he just didnt think
That clip of him standing up and just simply walking away really is one of the greatest steamer moments in internet history. The utter lack of care and the simple devastation of just standing up is unparalleled. Most creators have to say something to do something violent/abhorrent. This dude got up out of a chair and ended his whole career 😆
I like how you said "steamer" instead of "streamer." It's like a Freudian slip.
@@encycl07pedia- what?
@@Savariable I don't think I can make it much clearer. Do you think "steam" and "stream" mean the same thing?
@@encycl07pedia- It was probably literally just a typo, but what are you implying that would even mean?
@@Savariable A steamer is slang for what goes into a toilet that's not yellow. You could easily call the subject of this video a piece of that. I can't believe I have to explain this to you.
If he just said after the stream that he wasn't completely paralysed everything would have been fine. I know wheelchair users who can walk around but they still need a wheelchair. But he tried to gaslight the audience into thinking something else which really made it look like he was lying.
Did you even watch the video bruh?
@@MattMarkYT he did he’s saying sense he was trying to hide it made him look like he lying when he wasn’t
I absolutely HATE it when a person calls out wheelchair bound person for standing up,and say that their "faking it" . It just shows how little they know about how disabilitys work.
He was lying. He didn't eat shit so obviously he was lying to his audience to try to cover up his blunder.
@@joerancid1981 Yeah and perpetuates this idea that disabled people have to be wheelchair bound
So he never meant to fake a disability, but why did he think it was a good idea to keep his rehabilitation progress a secret? Seems kinda suspircious how his girl would get shocked at him standing up in front of the camera, unless they talked about using and keeping up his disability as part of his image? On the bright side, he learned his lesson and decided to keep moving forward
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Maybe he kept his progress secret, because he wanted to keep that part of his life private? 🤔 I personally never watched Zilian before though, so I can't say whether he was an open kinda guy or not about other parts of his life; but I know some streamers like to keep their personal lives more disclosed from their audience.
Regardless whether he wanted to keep it private or not, he shouldn't have said he "fell" off his wheelchair when he did stand up. Perhaps being open right away could have helped his situation at the time.
Wherever Zilian is at, at this point in time, it sounds like he learned from his experience all those years ago, and if he was indeed truthful all that time; hopefully Zilian can be given a fair chance by whatever audience he may bring in.
just some guy without mustache sighting
again
He clearly created one intentionally. Why else would he go so far as to lie and cover up the fact that he could walk. He very obviously wanted people to still believe he was disabled. Because that's a big part of his persona, that's a big reason why he gets donations. To just wipe the slate clean simply because he's showing remorse is just forgetting all those people he deceived and ultimately received donations from.
@@Whitedudeabove he probably thought at some point that people only came because they thought he was wheelchair bound and he thought he would lose all his viewers if they found out
It's the way he immediately lied about falling and injuring himself when caught that makes me think he intentionally omitted his recovery because it had become a successful part of his brand and identity.
You are being generous by even giving him that, that he was actually, genuinely disabled and legitimately wheelchair-bound at some point before he started milking Twitch donors under false pretenses. Even that we can't say is a sure thing, with the history of dishonesty that this dude has.
The only "proof" or evidence supporting his claim that he was genuinely wheelchair-bound are the social media pics of him in a wheelchair a year or whatever before he even started on Twitch. But whose to say he didn't start scamming, & milking for sympathy donations, people IRL with the fake disability story because he saw the special privileges offered to handicapped people - that are admittedly nice perks, but not when you have to suffer from a genuine disability that harms your quality of life just to be eligible for said perks. Then he decided to try his scam out online.
@@zachdalmaso2131 I agree, it seems to be stretching the "proof" much too far.
@@zachdalmaso2131 if you have any proof of your claim then it could be up for debate. But all that you just said was just skepticism. Also he already told everybody the full story.
@@smurgerburger What claim are you even referring to? I never made any claim, which should be clear as day to anyone who is indeed literate and actually read my posts. I just ripped apart the obviously bullshit claims made by somebody else by attacking the incredibly weak and flimsy excuses that only a gullible rube would believe. If you think I need "proof" to attack flimsy excuses then you have not even the slightest idea of how debating works.
I might actually have believed his bs "I just didn't think to tell people about it" story if he hadn't insisted that he fell and was in pain when he got up and walked away lol
@@instantchaos2385 I'm talking about the dumb thing he did 9 years ago, obv.
@@Hello_Spaceboy but he didn't say "I just didn't think to tell people about it" 9 years ago, and you're calling it bs, so... wut?
@@instantchaos2385 I commented on this like 4 months ago dude, I'm really not invested in the guy who pretended he fell out of his wheelchair
@@instantchaos2385 That would be fine if he just acknowledged that he lied about it, but he never directly acknowledges that on that day he immediately covered it up and lied about it. He only talks about having been in a wheelchair previously and never discussing it...
Fr he was clearly milking the wheelchair thing and knew that standing up on the stream was clearly a fuck up for him which is why he cut off the stream and made up the story about how he fell over after despite the fact he was walking perfectly fine.
can't wait for every single streamer to react to this
Just about to say the same thing
Just wait 1-2 days everybody on twitch will be reacting to this
Lol
Sunny is a vey good uTuber I CANT BLAME THEM :c: c:
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He had a disability sure but clearly there was malicious intent there. His gf freaked out when he stood up on stream then he moved the camera. Afterwards he lies and said he fell. He knew what he was doing. I can't say I feel sorry for him.
Agreed. Especially because he is still maintaining that his only mistake was not being more upfront about his rehabilitation. Nah dude, your mistake was actively deceiving your viewers and still lying about it to this day.
It's obvious that when people saw him on a wheelchair they thought it's permanent. He never said it wasn't, and therefore got a ton of donations, and realising how lucrative that was he never had an intention to stop.
@@iamfeneq Zillian had an excuse for this moment actually. I don't remember it well but it was something like his dog chewing the cables of the stream setup or something like that, you can see it in the video from *wavywebsurf* whose comment were super liked. And it was actually for this reason that he stood up. Moreover, if I remember well once more, there was an argument with the delay of the girl's voice with the stream and that it was too short or too long to be a shocked reaction from the guy standing up rather than the dog chewing the cables.
Exactly! And took their money under false pretenses
You clearly haven't been around many women if you think she's freaking out.
He could’ve completely avoided this if he just said he wasn’t completely paralyzed. Really sucks how he went down :/
He never said he was though. It was just assumed.
yeah what Ryan said.... people just assumed, but he did know what he did, he admits that, go watch his most recent live stream on his channel (on youtube) and he talks about the entire incident in length, having admitted he panicked and lied.
He was injured, he did require a wheel chair, but he wasn't paralyzed, from the waist down. Some people, like famously Franklin D Roosevelt, president of the united states during WW2 was in a wheel chair, but most people didn't know that, because he would always stand while addressing the public.
I really really must impress upon people to watch his live stream he just did to hear in detail all of the weird conspiracies people came up with.
Thanks, I’ll go check it out
LOL looks like he conned you successfully. His charade (that his gf was in on) was generating money so he would have kept it going indefinitely if he wasn't exposed
@@challengeyourmind3937 I don’t get how anyone is feeling bad for the guy. It doesn’t matter if people thought he was paralyzed or not; the scumbag still used the wheelchair as a way to gain popularity and profit. A lot of people are missing the entire point and it’s pathetic. Even if he was paralyzed and asked for donations, what makes that right? No one is entitled to anything. No one has to give sympathy for one another. It’s one thing if donations went to a charity but pocketing regardless is disgusting
Quite a few wheelchair users can walk a few steps without needing the chair. But its the story and evidence around it that made it suspicious. Not just the reaction of his girlfriend, but also the camera pointing down, the end of the stream and the fact that he tried to cover it up by saying that he fell.
im disabled and can walk a certain distance but people like this is why i feel terrible for offering comissions to save up for an electric scooter/ wheelchair and disability bed
Don't feel bad for it. Just be honest from the get go.
@@ItsBlooish oh I am it just makes me feel bad cos I cant work hard for it but I don't want hand outs
@@Cottontailart it's not a "handout," you have a disability you didn't ask for, there is no shame in trying crowdfunding or offering commissions! Hell, I offered emergency commissions back in Jan this year because I couldn't afford my car repairs (I work part time), and I raised almost $200 through them. I wish you luck!! It sucks you even have to "save up" for a device to allow you to have better mobility :(
@@vglycorpse2001 thanks I might try that and yeh funding on everything in the UK is messed up atm and it's cheaper to raise money than trying to insure myself
@@Cottontailart lmao you're literally responding to the streamer in question
It sucks so hard, cos viewers are going to end up doubting people who really need a wheelchair. (Especially people who are disabled but can get out of their wheelchair for a short while.)
Really turns into a "Boy who cried wolf" situation
Situations like this is why I don't talk about my schizophrenia unless it's very topical and safe. People have tried to call me out of the blue with nothing else to go on other than me talking about my illness. I fucking wish it was all a lie. I earn nothing from having this curse but boy did I lose a lot.
yeah, makes me think Ricky Berwick is a hackfraud, i always knew he was too suspiciously handsome of a cripple
@@xabhax except not all disabled people are the same and feel the same about their disability. And someone newly disabled would be at a different point in their journey than someone disabled since birth or childhood.
No. People created the image of him being wheelchair bound, not himself
I think he should have at least tried to explain himself after he was "caught". The way he reacted afterwards, trying to cover it up, lying about falling and removing comments calling him out, then not coming out with the truth until 7 years later, it was just a total mess.
I'm disabled. I have a spinal injury and epilepsy as a result of an auto accident (epilepsy resulting from TBI sustained from incident).
I was in and out of a wheelchair (mostly on crutches because I refused to give up trying to walk) for about 6 months after said accident. I had urinary incontinence among other serious complications.
This seems sketchy as hell. I would be open and honest with my viewers, as I am because my husband and I stream on Twitch, about my recovery process. I'm not sure why you wouldn't. It's personal but, if you're openly throwing your disability out there, talking about it, and accepting donations because of your inability to work a "normal" job (a struggle a large percentage of us with disabilities face, hence why we receive financial aid from the government), you owe updates. You're already sharing a large portion of your personal life, so why not keep your viewers in the loop?
The fact he pointed his camera down and didn't try to come back instantaneously to stream and try to explain (or at least in the next stream) that it was a misunderstanding shows he, without a doubt, was faking it beyond his period of disability, if what he stated was even truthful.
I'm disgusted and appalled. This is a slap in the face to those of us that struggle immensely to even get by and face constant discrimination because of our disabilities. I genuinely wonder, had he not stood up on camera, if he would've continued accepting donations under the pretense that he was wheelchair bound.
@@madebymai7435 this is the exact thing i was thinking, he definitely would have been accepting as many donations as possible for his "disability"
@@madebymai7435 I didn't think about the donations side of it. At first it just seemed like, at worst, he was just desperately trying to keep up a false image, but there were probably people donating because they were trying to help someone who they thought was permanently disabled. Yeah, that makes it pretty scummy, and potentially adds a whole other layer of borderline fraud.
As often is the case, the cover-up is worse than the "crime". Panic can make you do stupid things. In this case, it would have been far easier to casually explain himself. Then nobody would have taken notice, they would congratulate him on his recovery instead.
@@madebymai7435 I don’t think it’s that big of a deal personally. Most of these people come office jealous. He was in a wheelchair, and it was getting out. He handled it incorrectly but it’s not that big of a deal
you should always update your fans when you're feeling better just so they don't start hating you and think you're trying to scam them
A friendly reminder that there are wheelchair users who can stand and walk. Due to different reasons, some people might only need wheelchairs for specific situations. So next time you see a person in a wheelchair stand up and walk, don’t immediately assume they’re faking. Not every wheelchair user is completely paralysed
Edit: Just came back to clear up some things. My comment wasn’t to insinuate that what he did was right, and that the people who were angry with him were being unreasonable, I’m just saying that IN GENERAL, when we see someone in a wheelchair stand up and walk, we shouldn’t immediately jump to assuming that they were faking being disabled. Obviously, it’s important not to lie about your disability just to get money or benefit yourself or what not, because it just leads people to being skeptical of every disabled person they come across. But it’s also not a bad idea to not jump to conclusions when you see wheelchair users abandon their wheelchairs every now and then, (another example is people with visual impairments using a cane or another mobility aid on this day, and going out without one the next). People shouldn’t be dishonest in how they present themselves (especially if they have an audience or a large following) but, people should also be mindful and avoid making assumptions too quickly. This was just a friendly reminder that not everyone with a disability needs an aid at all times, everyone is different and everything is situational.
Sorry about the long edit, I’m not good at putting thoughts into words
Exactly! Personally, I might actually get in a wheelchair soon because of spasticity and possible neuropathy
i was going to comment this as well but i think he should have just said that he was recovering so he didn't have to deal with this
But also a friendly reminder that most wheelchair users don't use their disabilities for clout and then lie about the extent of said (POTENTIAL) disability when it turns out they're not as infirmed as they claimed.
This. Wanted to say the same but I'm too lazy so good
Glad I found this comment. Was gonna say that people need to remember there are ambulatory wheelchair users
Hell, if he'd included his journey as part of his channel, that in itself may well have brought more people in. Also would've been quite inspiring to show how you shouldn't give up and how things like physical therapy really are worth it
Man this couldve been a great recovery story if this dude wasnt a total cheater with bots & crypto besides his very temporary disability.
Happy to hear he got banned again actions have consequences he should never be allowed back he knew damn well what he was doing he just didn't want his income affected what a manipulator
@@jrodriguez2133 that’s a little harsh my man.
@@chewinhard4456 what that man did was harsh asf
@@chewinhard4456 Simp alert.
I am a part time wheelchair user. I have been accused of faking my illness when I go from walking to using wheels, or go from using wheels to standing. I have a disability I wish to God I could get rid of, but this is not the case. People like me are judged, ridiculed, and sometimes called frauds. People jump to snap judgements without knowing a full story. I now stay home as I just don’t want to deal with it anymore.
I have a genetic condition that at the ripe old age of about 26, gave me similar bones to an 80 year old, now it's slowed some so my bones are about 95 years old. My medical team uses my file in class at med school.
I look fine. Once in awhile, if the weather is going to turn, if it's cold, or for any number of other reasons that they are being uncooperative, I use a cane. Most of the time I can manage without it (God help me if I ever trip though because stubbing my toe shatters it.) so I do because errands are just more difficult if you have one of your hands tied up with mobility. I have a placard. I've been screamed at more than once. One lady even tried to shove me.
People need to stop pretending they are the cops because they aren't smart & are usually very wrong. I shouldn't have to share my medical condition just to park my car & not be accosted because on the outside I look young, healthy & athletic (more body type & former ability than any current activity).
Sometimes I feel the same faking a smile pretending if you're not in pain is very hard but don't give up. I know this is hard to hear I am in a wheelchair to some things will be easy some days and some days will be hard and people will never know what you feel inside because they are not you. tried to get out of the house meet people even if you are in pain talk to a pain specialist that's the first step and make a list of things you would like to do .
Its not that big of a deal, sometimes people are called out who really are faking it and these people are doing the world a service by condemning fakers...which allocates more resources to real actual disabled people...sometimes innocents are caught in the crossfire and thats just how it is
@@sew_gal7340 Easy to say when you aren't the one going through it. While I do think that unfortunately many people are ignorant and that we have to accept it, I find it to be insensitive to tell someone being falsely accused multiple times that it's not that big of a deal. That's something that could mess with anyone's head. It could mess with their reputation both in their personal and/or work life. Someone above even said that people have gotten physical because they're assumed to be an able bodied person faking it. It's not something that is just easy to deal with.
I say do your best to ignore it if it doesn't directly affect your life. In cases in which it might have an effect call out people's ignorance. They don't know you and certainly aren't a doctor able to diagnose you by looking at you.
@@spockish9526 wheel chair people want to be treated like everyone else, if you think they should be treated differently maybe you are being ableist and might need to re evaluate your morals. adults handle criticism with maturity and courage, they dont cower in fear and wheel chair people are tough individuals..you ought to respect them more
When I was in a wheelchair I was able to get up and step away from it. I mean it’s not for long periods of time. But I feel like he saw a opportunity and used it to his advantage when those donations was coming in.. he kinda told on himself. Like he said he should’ve just been like hey I was able to get up and take steps in therapy so ppl wouldn’t have been so surprised.
He was definitely hiding his recovery so he could get more sympathy bucks. Like, why else would he try to hide that he got up and walked? If he had come clean nobody would have cared, instead of "Oh no I totally fell and hurt myself owww owww is this convincing?"
It's wasn't just that he stood up and walked but how he stood up and walked. My mom uses a wheelchair but can walk a little bit. When she gets out her chair she doesn't bolt right up and confidently take strides like Killian did though. She uses her arms to push off when she stands and then holds onto anything nearby to steady herself.
@@Neremworld Well yes he admitted to that. He saw how his disability was basically tied to his identity as a twitch streamer, so he overplayed it. But people do deserve second chances.
@@myouniverse0613 This would be a third chance though, because his second chance was when he stood up and walked. If he had come clean then, he would have been fine receiving his second chance. But him lying about it blatantly takes it from 'mistake' to 'scammer'. I have no problem giving someone a second chance, but he lied about it constantly, and my patience runs out fast.
@@Neremworld He didn’t deliberately lie about the disability, though he did omit the fact that he have recovered later on. Then when he was caught he lied to cover it up, and that was wrong too. But these events are really part of the same issue. He deceived people for clout and money. That is wrong and he should be punished for that. Which he was. And now that he’s trying to turn a new leaf, I think it’s fair to let him. He learned from his mistakes and he know what he did was wrong. Ofc, to each his own. Imo this is his second chance to do right by his audience.
I’m disabled. I use a cane because of a neurological condition (still in the diagnostic process tho) and I have to say while people shouldn’t be surprised if a wheelchair user stands (70% of wheelchair users are ambulatory users meaning they can stand) i understand why the audience reacted that way
This is what I can't stop thinking about. But he DID lie about it and delete comments, I can't imagine why he didn't tell the truth
@@stevierose8749 an anxiety attack based on him being aware of how people might see what happened, can do it. If you have enough anxiety, you eventually scrutinize everything you do to make sure it can't be misunderstood. so if you do something that you know looks bad, in reality just needs an explanation. The anxiety can be crippling and when it involves one's livelihood this most reasonable reaction may not be what you see
Hey disabled, I'm dad
@@akibahood7403 why did you have to name me this :(
I'm not disabled but I can't work full time because I can't say if I will be able to walk when I get up each morning. Sometimes the nerves in back just don't work correctly since I shattered 5 vertebrae 5 years ago in an accident. So I work part time. I just can't know which days and how many of days it will be each week. The days I can't go, I work home. It suck. But I'm lucky to have a desk job so I didn't lose too much of my income. But the people often question why it's like this. I explained to my colleagues and director but the other people at the job, I don't care. You always end up not caring. There's always someone who will assume you do this for some reasons and I just don't mind anymore.
The biggest shock is that Twitch actually did something about this guy.
Meanwhile they let the chick who literally fucked on stream get away with just a few weeks of suspensions. F-in assholes those people are
Because it happened during the golden era of twitch, when twitch was good.
Finally a documentary where the person in it learned his lesson. Hope he has a good future in front of him
What was the lesson? Like seriously. He did nothing wrong.
He was in a wheelchair, then recovered to the point of not needing it 24/7.
Zillian did not say he would never walk again.
The problem here is that a bunch of moral andys attacked a guy for something they didnt know anything about.
@@frostpyr0 imagine shilling for a fraud lol.
@@frostpyr0 People got mad because he never said a thing about recovering, he still used the wheelchair even though it wasnt needed anymore and people saw that as him baiting them
@@TheMightyGlizzy ....being in a wheel chair does not mean you cant get up or walk for short intervals
@@frostpyr0 the normal thing to have done is tell his loyal fans who have been supporting him and given him money about his recovery instead of continuing to not say anything and lie about it to get more money
I love how he just waltzed out of his chair. He forgot his whole reputation and just stood up out of nowhere.
I will never truly understand why he chose to keep secret the fact that he was getting better. Learning to walk again is an incredible accomplishment and should be celebrated. If he chose to keep it secret in order to keep the sympathy donations pouring in, then that honestly is a pretty scumbag move. But time heals all wounds as they say and so long as he's learned his lesson I don't mind him streaming again.
He was in too deep. His wheelchair because part of his brand. Changing that would be very difficult
@@ccash3290 mmm it does feel that way😨
because he was earning money and sympathy. The same reason beggers will fake a disabiblity to gain sympany and earn that way money from random people.
Lol, it's okay to get pity-money if you're disabled, but not if you're healthy? Healthy people are worth more than cripples by definition, think of it from a slaver's or a politician's perspective. So healthy people should be able to make more than cripples, if pity-money is the only way, so be it!
@@ReviewOrcsUSA The fuck did I just read
Whoever kept hacking Zillian is hilarious. He doesn’t let him get away with anything 😂
dude that guy was an asshole he new he actually needed the well chair before but still didn't say anything and just kept spreading hate.
i hope the hacker got some jail time 🚔
@@KerbalSpacey me too.
@@KerbalSpacey for what?
@@mikehawk2235 Pretty sure it's illegal so a fine or jailtime is still realistic, doesn't mean I don't respect the hacker though.
What bothers me the most is how his loyal and lovingly supportive fans in the chat during the clip were genuinely concerned and worried when he said he fell out of his chair and couldn’t breathe. They were scared he badly injured himself during “the fall” by the frenzied “are you ok???” “You need some help!!” And “please call 911”. People who cared so much about you, your wellbeing and your success. You mistreated, manipulated and took advantage of your dedicated fans EMOTIONALLY which is worse than financially in my eyes. The same fans who dedicates hours and hours of their free time to watch your streams and cheered you on. You betrayed them and it was a slap in the face to your loyal supporters dude. THAT is the most disgusting aspect of this. You didn’t appreciate your fans.
As a disabled person, this man is sick. I hate people who fake disabilities because as more and more people do it, it makes people with real disabilities seem like they might be faking it for attention. Nowadays, I feel embarrassed to use my wheelchair in public.
It is so funny how he just stood up 🤣
No shame 😂
Yeah, lmao. But man, there're so many bots here.
damn bots
Being in a wheel chair ≠ inability to walk
No the lord healed him 😂
I always saw him a fraud but now I feel bad. I couldn’t have known until now. Thanks for educating us Sunny.
ua-cam.com/video/F72pOwjrVWk/v-deo.html here is the full video of zillianOP's story
Buddy caught himself lacking
He's still a fraud, he faked having a disability even when he gained the ability to walk again.
Wavywebsurf is the guy you should credit for interviewing him...
Always saw him as a Fraud?? Damn, you must've WAITING for his downfall 😂😂
The fact that people think people can’t walk if they use a wheelchair or they aren’t disabled if they walk is beyond me. I have a fractured spine and when it flares up I CANT walk whatsoever. I’d need a wheelchair or walker to be able to get from point a to point b, but I’m not paralyzed so is it not okay? Yeah he definitely frauded many, but wheelchair users aren’t always bound to their wheelchair unlike the worldwide internet belief
Id imagine some people are always going to be in a wheelchair him not talking about his recovery and staying in the wheelchair was the problem
There's multiple people that have a large variety of different disabilities that utilize the use of wheelchairs or walkers. It's just stupid this perspective that you mustn't be able to use your legs if you have a wheelchair like nah it doesn't even have to be your legs or spine affected it can be your nervous system or brain making walking inaccessible form of transportation. I've seen people with issues standing for long periods without fainting use them regularly.
Was just about to comment this, thanks
/yea, wheelchair users still can walk sometimes
♿
As someone whose actually disabled, I'd never wish the sh*t I've been through on anyone but then I remember these type of people exist.
Yeah but it wasn’t a hoax
it just goes to show that not being open enough about your struggles like he was can backfire immensely. imagine how different things could have been if he were more open about his issues with his injury outright rather than wait for several years after he obliterated his reputation to reveal the full context of his injury. quite sad really
the thing about being disabled is that it consumes most of your energy and you don't want to tell every detail about their personal struggle maybe as a coping mechanism. Disabled people already face discrimination and being left out everyday so I wouldn't be surprised if he just wanted to not go all out with his details for the sake of mental health.
@@dreambrush7251 If that was the case he couldve just said that in the interview. Why didn’t he when he does regard it as a mistake?
@@dreambrush7251 Well that.. and the extra money he was getting in sympathy donations.
lol
I would just like to point out here that the majority of wheelchair users aren't paralysed. That means that most of us can stand or even walk a short distance. That doesn't mean we're faking. I, personally, can't even use a wheelchair right now because I can't afford the cost of one that would recline enough or the adaptions that would be necessary to the house I live in, so I'm bedbound. But before my health diminished to this point, I was one of the majority of wheelchair users who are able to stand and walk with help for a short distance, Ambulant chair users are still disabled, not faking or exaggerating. Ableism ftw.
Exactly, how the fuck do people not know this
Whoa, dont apply logic to his clickbait title.
He needs to throw this disabled persons reputation under the bus in order to get some clicks. Like jeeze
@@frostpyr0 i assume you didn't watch the video lmao
@@frostpyr0 this guy is a piece of work dude, dig deeper.
@@frostpyr0 the problem about this disabled person how actual shady he is about his supposed to be disability. when people found out he can actually walked on stream his girlfriend purposely tried to hide hide it instead actually being open that he might be ok walk in short distance but not ok for long distances. I am not sure throwing reputation under the bus part.
I like how this guy straight up gets to the point, instead of plugging some crappy giveaway or sponsor for the first 15 minutes of the video, you earnt a sub man!
In my opinion; I think dude had a SMALL injury for a SMALL period of time where, at a push *no pun intended* he used a wheelchair. He then notices that his donations on Twitch become more regular and milks that opportunity.
I don’t doubt he’d still be doing it now if he wasn’t caught without, or in this WITH, a leg to stand on…
That’s what I think I just think he had one at the start and saw all the donations due to being in a wheelchair so didn’t want to get rid of it and lose subscribers and donations
dude it's been 9 years, people change completely after such a long time, you can't be *sure* he'd still be doing the same thing
Chandler Halderson 2.0
I've heard this story a thousand times but hearing it from a different person never gets boring. Well crafted video sir!
As a 24 year old who legitimately broke his back at 21 and had a major spinal cord injury (T6-T7 complete) I went from a 21 year old machinist who forged his own path in life to a wheelchair bound. I cannot express how angry this makes me and disrespectful it is to the SCI community.
yeah no kidding
What makes me angry is the asspats he’s now getting and the people making excuses for him
@@Ashley__Rose SERIOUSLY
I think that the deceit is what really pisses me off. I have plates, screws....in the neck and back...I also wear braces, and have some sort of electric stimulator implanted in my back (hate the battery pack under my skin). but it keeps me from having to take as strong opiads.....got my car placard and can BARELY survive off the benefits. I don't know how he can live with himself. I really don't see in advantage in being disabled...it really is like I am not even there. I do everything in my power not to use my wheelchair....I can walk, just really slow. And when I do accidently fall; it is always spectacular.😅
@@SiberianIce2022 i'm severely disabled too from age 25. spontaneous total disability is not the experience of most disabled people or chair users and expecting others to conform to your experience is a mistake.
Im hooked on this content like a drug, waiting for the next video to come out and completely shutting every one out till the videos are over, i love this content
This reminds me a bit of some of my experiences as an ambulatory wheelchair user. I don't always need the chair, but there are also days where I can't do anything without it. Disclosing this information is important in certain situations, especially in those where people are monetarily supporting you because of the fact that you have a disability. Being able to walk when you use a wheelchair is absolutely fine, but you absolutely must be transparent about the fact that you are not completely dependent upon it.
the biggest reason was him panicking and trying to come up with excuses when that happened that turned everyone against him, everyone just took his excuses as him admitting that he was lying completely
Does your SO scream "OMG" whenever you stand? Do you feel the need to immediately point any cameras down or hide the fact that you stood up every time you stand?
@@Jaydogg222 what
@@amazingadrien huh
I can imagine at the time, especially since it was 2013, when he started getting better, he might have felt threatened that he himself was too linked as the wheelchair streamer brand and didn't know how to disconnect himself from it or show that he was going trough change and kinda just stayed with it
He explains it in Waves interview.
Was a time where sharing personal info on the internet wasn't a smart thing tot do.
He took that too far by not sharing anything.
@@novaangle2183 I'm just saying what he said. Up to you to believe him.
@@arrogantbandit1 He took that too far by not sharing anything... for monetary gain.*
2:49 I am so glad he finally stood up for himself
Wow, I saw the ZilianOP saga unfold live, feels like a million years ago now
To be utterly fair not everyone in a wheelchair is parapalegic. Even extensive nerve damage someone is capable of walking short distances, but ultimately a wheelchair is just a mobility aid. Like someone with glasses isnt completely blind.
Still if his story was that he was completely incapable of walking I would be side eying this pretty badly
The problem is that he let his audience believe he wasn't capable of walking at all and that his disability was worse than it was in reality. Since he stood to benefit from not saying anything, it's lying by omission.
The reaction during the initial stream of him walking clearly shows that this wasn't simply a case of not saying anything in good faith. (I.e privacy, struggling to open up, absent mindedness etc)
Even if he wasnt he cut the camera and told a fake story which without a doubt proves that he knew all along that it was fraud
I think people just assumed, which is stupid. Unless he clearly stated he could not get up, ever, it’s on the audience for making assumptions. However, he could have just said he can stand when he got up and came back. It didn’t have to be a big deal. Could’ve been a great moment to educate his audience on the spectrum of disabilities.
@@adamlambboy8332 I agree. I don't think it's suspicious per se to not disclose your physical therapy progress. As a disabled person myself, I completely get not wanting the entire internet know about your struggles. If he had acted like it was no big deal and told the truth then and there, none of this would have happened. I would guess that 99 % of his viewers would be very happy learning that he now can walk. The other 1 % percent that would be pissed aren't worth his time anyway.
What’s crazy to me is that if he had truly been recovering during the time he was streaming, that would’ve drawn people in too. People love to have someone to root for. If he had just been open and honest he could’ve still had potential to be a big streamer.
Yeah, but as soon as he's better, he's not getting nearly enough of the "unwarranted guilt" money. I'm not sure why humanity has evolved and thought that people with physical "d--abilities" are worthy of charity. Being in a wheelchair vs. being in a gamer chair and people having to read some chat or description to find out he used to be crippled is a big difference in income from suckers.
@@encycl07pedia- because it’s hard for them to get a job. that’s at least why for me. if they can’t get a job then streaming might be their only source of income for the moment thus if i can afford it then i will donate.
@@hombre6604 Are you kidding me? It's not the 1700s. It's not any harder to sit at a desk whether you can or can't walk. Sure, maybe you're not a telephone poll inspector or a mover. But lots of "abled" people don't qualify for those jobs, either.
How about you give money to the homeless who obviously have trouble getting and keeping a job and are in much more dire financial straits instead of some d-bag who can afford to sit around at home playing video games?
The fact he turned his camera away when he stood up shows he knew what he was doing. Whether or not he was "originally" faking it or not, he continued to put on the act because he knew what it got him and he took advantage of it. I feel the fact that he *did* need it for a bit of time is moot. Point is he still lied to benefit himself. He don't feel bad about doing it, he feels bad he got caught.
Never seen a man dig a hole for himself with his legs.
He put the cam down, lied in the chat afterwards and to every1, he immediately deleted the subscribers comments that were calling him out, changed his appearance, didn't give updates.... and more.
People saying he didn't lie, just didn't update that he was getting better... no, this is straight up fraud. It's one thing to not want to give updates, it's another when you go so far to lie and tell a fake story.
My thoughts exactly
Word up, these people are naive as fuck. carrying water for a charlatan, pffft!
He's a fraudster lmao
the internt is an unforgiving place.
Exactly, people really are way too forgiving.
He diddnt "forget" to update people he actively avoided it. When he got put of the chair and walked around he immediately tried to hide it, he diddnt say yeah I have limited mobility he said he fell, he said he was still completely disabled.
@@CaraCreations1000 Well, I suppose when they start profiting off their disability.
@@CaraCreations1000 It's not about having to disclose every single personal detail about their lives. It's about intentionally misleading his audience for profit.
As soon as he stood up, his girlfriend let out a clearly distraught OMG and started to stutter through a distraction story. He turned the camera away, ended the stream and proceeded to gaslight his chat. He deliberately deleted comments on the matter.
Yes, you're right, people make mistakes in stressful situations. But if it's just a matter of not mentioning his progress in therapy or his ability to walk, why was this situation stressful in the first place? They immediately panicked - both of them. They knew he screwed up his act, meaning they were actively trying to hide the fact that he could walk.
@@CaraCreations1000 Dude, ahm, i have a bridge to sell. Wanna make me any offer?
@@CaraCreations1000 If you dont understand that he purposfully omit that part in order to gain money... again, i have a bridge to sell.
jeeze kryst people like you are the reason why i have my spam folder full of scams.
@@CaraCreations1000 he still lied to his viewers
I feel like people in the comments dont really get the point. Saying "people in wheelchairs can usually walk a bit so idk what your guys problem is" isnt an argument since he didnt portray himself in that way. He actively said and implied that he couldnt walk at all, when clearly after a while of recovery he absolutely could, and he did not update his audience at all. Being handicapped doesnt mean you can suddenly get away with more stuff then another person. Thats like a cancer patient still taking donation money for treatment months after their cancer has been succesfully cured.
Exactly! Hit the nail on the head.
Okay but his viewer's aren't entitled to every detail about his life and recovery.
The reason he didnt show himself walking was probably because he knew that everyone would jump to conclusions and accuse him of faking a disability. And thats exactly what happened.
People jumped and accused him of faking his entire disability.
People just assume they are entitled to every detail about his life because they watch his streams and its honestly weird.
Theres tons of people in wheelchairs who are able to walk and stand yet they dont tell every stranger on the internet the extent of their disability or ability to walk or not.
It's none of the viewers business to know his recovery process and are not entitled to be updated on his ability to walk or not.
@@cosmicbilly To be honest, I'm 50/50 on this one. I agree that viewers definitely aren't entitled to *every* detail of his life, but when it comes to donations, people should at least get some kind of update even if it isn't necessarily good news.
@@cosmicbilly That would be a fair point if he hadn't very often implied and said that he is still permanently bound to his wheelchair. It has nothing to do with entitlement when he is knowingly not disclosing his process and still taking the donations in full knowledge of it, his viewers are absolutely entitled to know about his recovery status if he is actively advertising himself as wheelchair bound and has been taking money in spite of that.
@@cosmicbilly no he literally did it to milk donations. In that case he's obligated to tell them the truth
This one is both messed up yet hilarious at the same time 😂
This one is both messed up yet hilarious at the same time 😂
This one is both messed up yet hilarious at the same time 😂
he didnt "mismanage" shit. When he was better he purposefully hid that. Thats why his girlfriend said OMG and he hid the camera. Because he WANTED to keep the lie going. He just lied
As someone with actual paralysis and a T2 spinal cord injury. I find it amazing that he regained total control after 2 years with a disability severe enough for him to be 100% dependent on a wheelchair. Neurotrauma is progressive and the longer that therapy takes the less chance of recovery there is. And after that there should be some residual effect in standing up. I do not believe he was ever 100% dependent on a wheelchair. He may have struggled HEAVILY to walk for a time and slowly worked his way into building the new neural pathways you need to recover, but I don’t believe the total disability story it is very rare that someone like that recovers so well or even at all. Would need to know more about the spinal injury though like how low it was and whether they had to do anything like a fusion or replacement though.
Nervs never won't fully ever regenerate. I can barely bend.....trust me....those things never go away. Hence, my braces, walker, and or wheelchair & my spinal stimulator.. I sort of can see his reluctance to be honest just from personal experience.....getting a job has been very challenging. Most employers I found really won't in their eyes higher a shuffling risk...due to the pain being chronic I can only control so much of it. But......omission of truth does not justify the lie!
People need to take a closer look at his previous "disability", those photos he posted on Facebook, and the people around him that seem to be now covering for him.
He clearly never had a disability and found a way to come up with a fake backstory now.
Agree 100
@@SiberianIce2022 omission of the truth is a LIE
it's an underhanded lie actually
Think about where this MONEY SHOULD HAVE GONE INSTEAD
Someone who couldn't walk, someone who has brain damaged, an old grandma in a nursing home, a kid who cant afford food in a 3rd world country, etc etc
Instead it went to that CONMAN stealing money from the people who needed it
DUSPICABLE AND SHOULD BE IN PRISON
I find it difficult to believe honestly. If he wasn't playing the role of someone badly disabled intentionally, there'd be no reason for the girlfriend to express shock and quickly try to cover for him.
My thoughts exactly. He was definitely faking being disabled, you can tell by how he reacted when caught, This whole bs of his only wrong was not updating people is just looking at it with rose colored glasses. He does not need to be forgiven or seen as a cool dude after running a scam, he daily lied to people and then kept lying after he was caught.
She wasn’t with him, she was watching somewhere else and talking on the with him on the phone. With stream delay, it wouldn’t of been possible for her to react that quickly because of the delay. She started talking before she would have been able to see zillian stand up and walk.
I think that initally he was wheelchair bound but going forward he realised that he could make alot of money just by acting like he needed a wheelchair via donations/gofund me pages without consequences. I think that is the main reason as to why he kept acting like he was wheel chair bound even though he was fully able to walk. His girlfreind realised that he was just acting disabled even though he was fully cured and thats why she was in awe that he just got up when live.
@@rickharrison1887 This delay excuse needs to stop fr lol. Highly weird that she started talking about fishes right after he got up too considering he has a fish tank behind him.
@@KrabbyPattySecretForumla its not an excuse it is a fact that delay exists
This reminds me of that episode of The Simpsons when Krusty the Clown acts as FDR in a play and during a speech, he gets up out of his wheelchair before returning to it saying “Oh that's right, I'm crippled.”
had he disclosed his progress, this whole thing would never have happened. poor bloke
I'm disabled. I have a spinal injury and epilepsy as a result of an auto accident (epilepsy resulting from TBI sustained from incident).
I was in and out of a wheelchair (mostly on crutches because I refused to give up trying to walk) for about 6 months after said accident. I had urinary incontinence among other serious complications.
This seems sketchy as hell. I would be open and honest with my viewers, as I am because my husband and I stream on Twitch, about my recovery process. I'm not sure why you wouldn't. It's personal but, if you're openly throwing your disability out there, talking about it, and accepting donations because of your inability to work a "normal" job (a struggle a large percentage of us with disabilities face, hence why we receive financial aid from the government), you owe updates. You're already sharing a large portion of your personal life, so why not keep your viewers in the loop?
The fact he pointed his camera down and didn't try to come back instantaneously to stream and try to explain (or at least in the next stream) that it was a misunderstanding shows he, without a doubt, was faking it beyond his period of disability, if what he stated was even truthful.
I'm disgusted and appalled. This is a slap in the face to those of us that struggle immensely to even get by and face constant discrimination because of our disabilities. I genuinely wonder, had he not stood up on camera, if he would've continued accepting donations under the pretense that he was wheelchair bound.
@@madebymai7435 I wouldn't be surprised if it was due to trying to keep a brand image. Even then, it's still beyond asinine to make that choice
@@madebymai7435 or you know he just started walking a bit again, still needing the wheelchair because he couldnt walk much (in the clip he was holding onto the desk afaik) so please dont care didnt ask + youre female
yes
"Poor bloke" he's literally a scammer.
I heard about this last year I think. I hooped on one of his UA-cam streams and he was a super nice and chill dude. Everyone deserves a second chance, hope he gets his channel back
I get the whole being in a wheelchair while being able to walk. One of my classmates is in a wheelchair but can walk, although she has a hard time walking as her legs are pretty weak. She mostly uses her wheelchair but is definitely capable of walking.
Exactly. A lot of people I know who use wheelchairs have autoimmune diseases where they can use their legs but not for very long which is why they need the wheelchair. I use a cane as of now and I hate every second of it bc I know the second I stop putting my weight on it and pick it up to get it out of the way of someone, someone in my family is going to call me a faker. I have weak bones from years of abuse bc of some of them on top of an immune disease we are trying to figure out.
I have been with a few people who were wheelchair bound before, and what I found to be suspicious immediately was the fact that he was in a whellchair all the time. Most people who are stuck in wheelchairs want to be out of them as often as possible. The fact that he didn't have any other chair to replace his wheelchair is what was weird from the get go
The issue is he didn't "accidentally" forget to mention it, as basic reasoning implies otherwise. Anyone who was/is in a situation where true physical disability happens understands the hell of ones body not working correctly. Taking 2 steps after being wheelchair bound for a year or longer would be so exciting and exhilarating u would be shouting from the rooftop about it. U would be so full of hope and determination u couldn't shut up, and would most likely take a step on camera w a 32 tooth smile. Imagine the money ppl would give for that. On top of the girl who was in on it realizing the ride was over, moving the camera, ending the stream, then claiming ur in such terrible pain from falling u can't breathe. Dude knew his success was out of pity and played it like a saxophone, good sax too. Ppl very rarely change and once a con artist realizes how easy it is, they don't stop. He's not sorry for forgetting to mention it, he's sorry he stood up and walked on camera bc he would still be rolling around in front of a camera.
Just look at the pinned comment that got over 6k upvotes talking about how he's actually the victim, it's pathetic and just showcases how gullible and easily gaslighted people are.
I had reconstructive facial surgery on the entire left hemisphere of my face. For a mere three months I consumed nothing but water, gruel level mashed potatoes and Jamba Juice was a wonderful treat to get. When I regained even partial use of my face/jaw I was broadcasting it like I had won the fucking lottery. After being just partially impaired for just a little while, I can say from a place of empathy, not sympathy, that it's not cool to fake the funk. Fuck this dude.
@@Caydiem I like how he pretty much responds to what that comment says, and you claim he’s gullible, yet you ride along with what the rest of the comments say and spit and him for making completely valid points. Typical.
Edit: I realise now that he was saying it was Sunny gaslighting by painting out the con-artist as a victim, and that many people buy into it. Yes, it’s absolutely pathetic, my bad misreading it.
I'm amazed by the level of apologist delusion in so many of these comments. "A disability doesn't necessarily mean wheelchair bound", "he clearly didn't mean to deceive his viewers about his condition at first, so banning him is unfair." Did people get brain zapped and not realize that he made a bogus story to gaslight his audience, then waited several years to tell everyone he was really wheelchair bound at 'somepoint'. I'm disappointed at SunnyV2's take in the final minute, saying the second ban seemed unfair. How do you not see through this dude's bs?
@@theastonvillaseal585 Did you forget he lied about falling down?
Interesting story. Im happy to see that there were mistakes on his part but no outright malice.
His mistake was daring to heal. He should have stayed unable to walk for the rest of his life 😠
Am i getting this right?
@@frostpyr0 you're wrong his mistake were the lies and cover ups. For example commenting how he was in pain due to the "fall". Why are you defending this lol
@@frostpyr0 The Mistake was to keep his mostly healed state a secret because being wheelchair bound was somewhat integral to his brand.
r/wooosh all three of y'all
@@nophion2-electricboogaloo647 This isnt at all what was happening. People seen the clip of a supposed "Wheelchair bound" person walking, and all just ASSUMED he was intentionally misinforming his audience.
He never said he will always be in a wheelchair, nor did he say he wasnt getting better. Youre assigning intent that was never there just so you can be upset about a person you know nothing about.
I love how SunnyV2 just gets straight to the point.
I think this guy was legitimately disabled temporarily, and just chose to maintain the "handicapped guy" image to garner sympathy and donations because it's probably a big part of what made him recognizable. Sure, it's better than faking the whole thing, but it's still lame and dishonest.
this!
I think he just thought he would lose his audience, thus his source of income and that fear led him to start lying.
I had no idea that a lot of people in a wheel chair can actually walk a few steps until I watched "wheels2walking" channel addressing this matter.
It can be a bit intimidating to walk in public or on stream since most people will jump to make fraud accusations
so glad to see your channel grow, sunny! the content quality's been so high recently and you deserved the reactions from the big streamers like moist kritikal
As if he needed to "deserve" those.
Naru meri a
I find it disappointing that he COULD have been a great source of education and representation to the ignorant about how life can change from day to day, and that many wheelchair users ARE able to walk, though not very far, but instead chose to perpetuate the stereotypical 'if you are in a wheelchair you cannot take a single step'. These actions not only lost him his channel, financial support and following, but also further damaged the already marginalized community of people who are physically able to walk (at least to the bathroom) but cannot, for whatever reason, walk much further without assistance.
I truly believe he would have found much support among those in a similar position, and would have been cheered on for his progress in regaining his abilities, rather than vilified.
No, we are NOT owed every detail about a streamer's life, but if you are managing to convince people of a situation that is not true, then it IS your responsibility to correct that misconception.
That's fair but don't you think a 9-year-long streaming ban, in addition to ruthless public shaming, is enough punishment? I mean if everything in this video is accurate, I think it's not unreasonable for him to get a second chance. But that's just my two cents
I'm disabled (invisible) and I agree. There are so many misconceptions already.
he's nothing but a scammer
Well.....looks like twitch does not agree with you.....he has to sneak back in like a slug, leaving his slime trail of deceit and dishonesty.
@@Zak-tk8wv Well stated!!!!
Reminds me of my coworker, claims to be the best worker but takes 5+ bathroom breaks a day that last over 20 minutes each time, yells at citizens who don't have their health phi ready, and looks patients up on Facebook while talking to them. Arrives every day late, leaves early most days. I work at the state health department in Oklahoma. I've reported it to HR for over two years because we are the only two taking calls for the entire state health department immunization service and I'm the only one of the phones 90% of the time. I've worked here for three years and this person has also worked here for three years and they refuse to punish this person, I think because they identify as the opposite gender and have clear mental issues. Also the top manager, Paula Deyell, is this person's grandmother. That's probably why this person, Jane Bard, will never be fired for anything.
Jane also has fake tourrettes. It makes random noises all day long specifically to annoy me then anytime anyone else comes into the immunizations office, Jane immediately stops making noises the entire time they are there then starts as soon as its only us in the room. When I first started working here, we all went out to a bar, the entire department with all the other offices and Jane didn't make a single noise the entire 5 hours we were there. I hate this person so so sooo much. Our manager Matt McLean is buddy buddy with Jane and Paula and I'm the odd one out, aka the conservative and they're democrats. They can't fire me and they refuse to fire Jane, so we're stuck together.
This is a difficult one. I am a part time wheelchair user because I have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. Somedays, when my health is on my side, I can get by for a little while without it. But on days where I'm extremely fatigued, in pain, having multie dislocations in my hips and knees, my heart is playing me up (irregular heartbeat, feeling like I'm going to faint if I stand), etc. I cannot even get out of bed by myself, let alone walk. But sadly people assume that to need a wheelchair you must be paralysed from the waist down permanently. The truth is there are many reasons to need a wheelchair and rarely are disabled people in that conditions 24-7
But look how open you just were about how you use a wheelchair. Why couldn't he do the same from the get-go?
We are not required to disclose health info to anyone as disabled people, but it is a somewhat different story for a disabled person using their condition-- to the extent it existed at all-- for money and clout. they are likewise not required to share health info, but then they cannot be surprised when there's backlash over something like this. He was either lying altogether or wants to have his cake and eat it, too.
Bro has clearly perfected his content, sunnyv2 is like the king of this type of content rn, and he's my inspiration for my own content, keep it up sunny
The problem here is the fact that people have their stereotypes and refuse to listen to anything real about disabilities. When someone is in a wheelchair everyone assumes they can’t stand or walk which is not true many people can actually get up and walk. He was likely scared. People say awful things or give you awful looks for being disabled to begin with but once people accept it then if you don’t fit into that perfect box it becomes the biggest drama that you are a liar or a fake.
And if you really start disabled and then recover and hide that you can actually really walk again, you are not dependent on a wheelchair anymore and even lied about it when you got exposed ?
Honestly, He was better off being more clear on his Recovery progress more and when he finally got better. People would understand better when he can finally work. Not saying he didn't learn a lesson. Just that he let himself get scared and lied and hide it too much
You "the problem is society" types get so tiresome. No one is ever responsible for their actions. Fraud, deception, lying about disabilities. All water under the bridge because someone might give you "awful looks".
Honestly I have EDS and I need a wheelchair at times because I’ll pop my hips and ankles and it becomes very painful. I’m in a wheelchair/bed 99% of the time but I *can* walk. I could get up and jump, it would hurt a lot yes, but I could do it if I wanted to. I wouldn’t even explain to people even if I had an online presence (unless it was specifically about my disability/challenges) then I wouldn’t even explain to people about it because if it’s not the forefront of what I’m talking about then it’s not other peoples business. (Not saying what he did was ok/not ok) people think you need you justify your disability to them and its bs.
@@ichmich9324 just because you can walk 10 steps together doesn’t mean you don’t still need a wheel chair. Lots of people in wheel chairs get accused of being liars because of this misconception.
I have cerebral palsy and I'm furious at the thought of someone getting sympathy donos from good people. If he actually was disabled at some point and recovered, he should not have kept an act. Disability comes in all forms, and the lack of clarity created frustration that he could have avoided.
I think the lack of information made people assume this was a betrayal. I suppose it would be uncomfortable to reveal his medical history or progress but it is what it is.
Zillow: **stands up**
Zillow's wife: "OMG, we took our dog to the fish shop today..."
Me: That must be one good fucking story if you're going to totally ignore the miracle that just happened in front of your face..
☝nigga doesnt know what stream delay is
There was a delay, so she wouldn’t be able to notice it that quickly.
😂🤣😂
Why is no one talking about “Did some squats tonight my thighs are on fire” I’m still trying to catch my breath 😂😂
His explaining that he's actually really stuck in a wheelchair after the scam got exposed and after taken a new stream alias is just like throwing a bucket of water to a burning mansion
I would have just said that I was starting to be able to walk again, here and there. I was waiting for a special episode to surprise everyone, but I guess the surprise is blown.
As someone that needs a wheelchair (currently) i feel like nobody is gonna trust us anymore just because of him.the moment he just stood up and walked rlly shocked me.i barely make 5-6 steps rn and him just fully walking withouth any kinds of loosing balance or atleast hold onto something rlly shocked me.
I said the same thing. I have multiple sclerosis and thankfully I can still walk but there’s going to come a day where I wake up and no longer will have the use of my legs. This person makes me Ill.
What means III?
Lying and saying he fell is the problem. If he had just said "I've been recovering and can walk short distances. I haven't said anything yet because I wanted to have more progress before telling you guys" everything probably wouldve been fine.
It proves he isn't disabled. He didn't even know some wheel chair people can walk a bit
Maybe he wasn't lying about him falling he just said what happend at the moment and didn't explain everything
The lady saying omg and the camera being pushed down wouldn't add up though
@@paintdudeIWP he talked about the delay
I dunno man, I am an ambulatory wheelchair user and I'm not dishonest about it. I don't pretend I need a chair to go to the bathroom and I think he purposefully withholding information.
He hid the camera, ofc he knew he was doing something wrong.
@@jTiKey he could’ve done it to make himself look more disabled
Nah, he was at a time when everyone was encouraged to not share their personal lives and sh*t; he explains this in wavywebsurf's vid. He handled the entire situation wrong and he has admitted and taken full responsibility for it.
@@twinmonster1989 then why did he put the camera down? Why did he lie about it and say he fell? Why did his girlfriend freak out? This isn't about "encouraged not to share", he lied and is still lying today by saying the only mistake he made was not being more open. He was lying on purpose.
If he wasn't then there was no reason to lie about falling out of his chair when he clearly got up and walked, no reason to put the camera down, no reason for his girlfriend to freak out.
If he had said that at a certain point he realised he hadn't shared enough and doubly want to then because he worried he would lose opportunities then I might think, ok, fair cop. But he didn't do that, he has in fact blamed "cancel culture" repeatedly, which is dodging responsibility.
He's owned up, sure, but he's owned up to a version of the truth that is more flattering to him than reality.
@@ZoeAlleyne
I will admit I don't know the full truth either, but in wavywebsurf's vid he explains he *did* bump into the table which is what caused the cam to fall. Also his girlfriend "freaking out", again my sources are wavywebsurf's vid, was a coincidence. In fact, at the time there was a stream delay which meant there was no way his girlfriend "would've been able to react to him so quickly." - words of wavywebsurf.
Although, thinking more about it, I do agree it doesn't seem like he's telling the whole truth and taking the whole responsibility. Like a commenter on wavywebsurf's vid said, "I don’t think he’s malicious but I still kind of feel like this is a “I didn’t lie I just didn’t correct peoples misconceptions” situation."
"He's owned up, sure, but he's owned up to a version of the truth that is more flattering to him than reality."
I 90% agree on this, thinking on it more. (not fully because we don't know the whole truth; maybe what he said *is* the truth and we're just distrustful, maybe it's all bullsh*t and he's fooled us again, or maybe there's some truth and some lies that we don't know).
I remember this. The manner on how he stood up and walked afterwards sealed his fate. Like you'd have to wonder what's the point of using the wheelchair if you can get up and stroll like any average normal human. And yeah, still convinced he faked it even to this day.
Never heard of this guy, but I definitely gasped when he stood up and walked🤣
Sunny telling a story about someone I never knew always interesting for me.
Just a reminder, and not saying this is the case what so ever, but "being a wheelchair user =/= not able to walk". It's a mobility aid, so some people use their wheelchair part time, when standing for a while is physically difficult. Of course some wheelchair users are full time users.
I only say this cause I know people who use wheelchairs daily who get flamed to this day for standing for a second :((
"My guy just got up and walked away." Those words have never held this much power.
Also to raise this point up in general, remember invisible disabilities exist that stop people from being able to walk all the time. Someone I know has a chronic illness and cant walk long distances without pain
I do concede that point....my sister has MS, it comes and goes in its intensity. Speaking for myself - I could never fake what I go through.....it would be MUCH EASIER to play my life straight with no deceipt.....I would screw up eventually - I guess sort of like he did.
-So why did he lied about falling?
-So why did his girlfriend instantly tried to distract people? Simple:
(They were using his disability to sympathize more money donations)
you sir deserve 1,000 thumbs up!😀
The girlfriend was on discord, it was physically impossible due to stream delay for her to have reacted that quickly.
@@tlpineapple1 That sounds sorta a stupid excuse.....her reaction would have still happened even with the time delay. There are no excuses; twitch dropped him like a hot rock....stop making excuses for him. One more quick thing....maybe in your eyes it was "physically" unable, but it sure caught her ass "digitally" with no effort at all.
@@tlpineapple1
Like this means anything.
Like his GF didn't know he could walk or not.
Come on now.
I have friends who use wheelchairs but can also walk, just only short distances. They have things like POTS and M.E. which means depending on the day they can walk using a stick but many days they go out in a chair because they know they won't be able to get far without it. Guys like this really furthers people's belief that some folks fake it. -_-
I watched an interview a different youtuber did with him not that long ago and he explained it how you did here. He had a long facebook history going back years showing him in his wheelchair but he had slowly began to recover and could walk to the bathroom etc unaided and had been trying to push himself further. He said his worst mistake was not being honest with everyone about all of that. Some are saying he still faked it all and somehow all the dates on the facebook posts are faked too, but he seemed pretty genuine in the interview. Though anyone can seem genuine if they are a good liar I suppose!
Man could still have a career if he just acted like god did a miracle to him once he realize he stood up in front of the camera
Here's evidently never seen _Dr. Stranglove_
Man could still have a career if he just acted like god did a miracle to him once he realize he stood up in front of camera
@@Theunicorn2012 That's what I meant about _Dr. Strangelove._ In that movie the title character was in a wheelchair until he pops up walking and screams "MEIN FUHRER! I CAN VALK!" That's what this dude should have done. It would have been epic.
and he would have gotten massive donations from religious freaks ^^
bro acting like johnny joestar after the power of the spin
I actually remember hearing about this and it's pretty shocking also keep up the awesome content!
Honestly as someone who was at one point in life stuck and bound to a wheel chair due to a serious leg injury it Honestly disgusts me that someone would fake especially for money
Seriously, anyone who has been even temporarily disabled can see right through this.
@@zacdavid184 exactly whenever I see someone else in one I just thank God I wasn't bound to one
@@Idkwhythemilkmmanleft I hear you. Apparently this guy sees the same and thinks "money." There may well have been an injury in the first place, but he also clearly malingered and downplayed/omitted his progress entirely at BEST. I think the people who don't see it simply don't want to believe someone would absolutely lie about it for exactly the reasons Zilian did.
Even if it started out as innocent, he made several steps to deliberately cover up the fact that he was walking, that much can't be denied. Even the girl's reaction alone says all that, but the cover ups and the intent to fake a disability channel makes him look like an awful person. He really shouldn't be someone people look up to as a streaming character, which is why I believe that his channel should continue to be banned and he should look for employment elsewhere. There's no excuse for pulling something this awful on your fans
exactly this, don't believe his BS excuse of not being transparent etc. He knew exactly what he was doing
nope, contrary to your flawed logic not sharing personal info isn't actually manipulating people, he didn't "hide" it for more donos he "hid" it because it's personal info that no random strangers need to know nor should know. just because you feel that random strangers are entitled to other people's personal secrets doesn't mean he's a bad guy
what's your credit card info? you semi to think that keeping personal info a secret is bad so follow your own logic and give me your credit card info your social security number and pin
@@The_Paper_Standoffs_W Dont have any ;) since we're being so honest, whats yours?
@@The_Paper_Standoffs_W quite the difference between letting your audience know that you are no longer wheelchair bound (and actively lying to avoid them finding that out) and sharing your credit card information on youtube. Who has the flawed logic here...
I feel that yes, Zillian was at one point wheelchair bound and at first it was genuine, but after his legs recovered, he kept up the façade that he was still wheelchair bound since he kept getting so much attention/free money from it. It wasn't originally malicious, but _became_ malicious afterwards, and he paid the price for his screw up.
And I can assume Hypn0tical really had it out for Zillian probably due to some fall out the two had, considering he went after Zillian for his secondary Twitch account...despite the fact that he was no longer doing shady shit and moving on.
I believe in second chances for people like Zillian, and while I very much think he was dumb for scamming people and the like, he should still be allowed to continue on streaming. He already is punished enough too with people never letting the scamming situation go to, so it's a win-win for both parties I suppose.
What's your take on ticsandroses?
@@m.rraghav817 ew
Simps like this really demonstrate what Stockholm Syndrome looks like.
@@dkmarr agreed
Cash conventional
Thanks to Sunny for telling us these stories and making us see that our lives are far better
"Thanks to Sunny for telling us these stories and making us see that our lives are far better" 🤓🤡
this has to be the most generic NPC comment ever.
@@thedislikeman3575 on mums
@@thedislikeman3575 ratio
@@thedislikeman3575 not an npc, this is an actual creator lol