Tom Bombadil, The Hunt for Gollum, and Viggo Mortensen are Back... and so is Dan!
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
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On what I just realized was our 2 year anniversary, we brought our original amigo, Dan Coats, back to talk about Tom Bombadil, The Rings of Power, The Hunt for Gollum, and more!
In our extended episode (available for our members -- theonering.com/members -- but this week everybody gets it!) we talk about:
* Does Dan miss the podcast?
* The Silmarillion or On Fairy Stories -- which did he get more out of?
* The Hobbit and The Children of Hurin are next!
* Will Dan join us for reviewing The Rings of Power?
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🎬 Chapters 🎬
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00:00 The Three Amigos!
03:00 Where's Dan been?
04:45 The Hunt for Gollum
08:15 Viggo Mortensen is maybe back!
10:03 The War of the Rohirrim
16:54 What is our El Guapo?
17:58 Rings of Power Trailer
24:04 Dan Decides on Wizard's Duel
33:30 Tom Bombadil in The Rings of Power
45:01 Members-only Podcast (for everyone!)
49:45 Silmarillon or On Fairy Stories
54:30 Back for The Rings of Power?
We missed you, Dan!!
Thanks!
Hey guys, YT subscriber # 216 here; I’m still lurking and listening. I haven’t left any comments to help you with the algorithm lately so I’m leaving this one today. Cheers! Thank you for all the *TOLKIEN* talk.
😂 Thanks for being one of the old-timers!
Someone already called me a "toxic fan" for expressing skepticism about this project.
I didn't say anything rude like "It's gonna suck" or anything. I just said I didn't have much faith that Hollywood these days could produce something near the quality of the original LotR trilogy.
I think there are toxic fans, but I think they're the ones who try and pass off stuff like Rings of Power as Tolkien. Completely disrespectful to the author, with some of the worst ones wittering on about 'Death of the Author' to justify their nonsense. Completely disrespectful to people who have spent decades as fans of the books, which, unlike these fake fans, they have read, usually multiple times. Completely ignorant about the themes Tolkien put into his great work, and with nothing but contempt for those themes if they are ever pointed out to them.
So are they gonna de-age Viggo like what they did with DeNiro in the Irishman or something? Because Viggo not exactly a spring chicken no more lol
He probably looked in his 50s in the book since his hair was “flecked with grey” 🧐
@@stanleyfranks9891 Except as descended from Numenoreans he wouldn't have looked that age
Somehow... Dan's Big Thought returned 😂
Crazy
This Channel deserves 1mil Subs lets gooo.😊
The Hunt for Gollum could include a lot of what happened at the Lonely Mountain Erebor and Dale, the Beornings, the Woodsman, Rhûn and the Easterlings, Dol Guldur and the Orcs there, Saruman and his dealings with Orcs, Uruks and other vile beasts, more scenes with Orcs and human agents of Sauron and Saruman that have their own agenda and a bit of the situation in Rohan besides even Gondor.
So in that sense so much is possible with the right mind / ideas and storytelling that fits the overall story!
I always interpreted Gandalf going quietly when Saruman imprisons him as Gandalf simply recognizing he cannot fight Saruman, as Saruman is more powerful as the head of his order and they're also inside Orthanc, Saruman's base of power. It's like how Gandalf says "this foe is beyond any of you" when the Balrog appears, in Tolkien's world, when there is a large power disparity, fighting simply does not make sense, so characters don't do it. Trying to fight Saruman in that position would be as foolish as trying to fly away himself by flapping his arms.
Also, power in LOTR is much more subtle than the throwing of fireballs and explosions you see in almost every other fantasy work. It's much more a battle of wills, of beings staring each other down and the less powerful one ultimately crumbling. If you want a canonical example of this, think about the duel between Finrod and Sauron in the Silmarillion.
So it would have been better if Peter Jackson simply had been more subtle. Instead of throwing each other around, have Gandalf try to turn around and find he cannot pass through a force-field, and has no choice but to ascend the tower. Something like that.
Helm's two named sons, Haleth and Hama, are not named in IMDB. Haleth was the Crown Prince and died defending the doors of the Golden Hall. Hama died trying to do a sneak attack against the Dunlendings and to look for food.
Those two aren't going to get a mention?
I have noticed that until something is actually about to be released, the character listings in IMDB are often full of errors.
When I used to read LOTR. Now since Jackson's Trilogy., when I think of the greatest literary character in the book my opinion) damn If Viggos face is what I picture now as I read the Book. Same to be said for that for RIP Bernard Hill , Theoden King. Imagine so many also have the same experience.
Dan: "I've been living in a cave" ... A cave that makes money...
Sir, were you perchance in a place named Moria? And if so, did you greedily dig too deep? Or perhaps may you be a Balrog?
oh no
I thought the fan film of the Hunt for Gollum was OK.
I think it’d be cool if they made it animated. It’d not only be smart, given the original actor’s ages now, but it’d be a neat nod to the original animated LOTR films. As long as Viggo and Ian return, I’m on board. Otherwise, it would be silly to make a film set during the original films and have every character besides Gollum be a different actor.
There's at least one solution for Viggo Mortenson's age; make The Hunt for Gollum an animated film. A good follow-up might be the War in the North with Lorien, Mirkwood and Dale being threatened. Or go back to the fall of Arthdain and Angmar.
I don't mind expanding the role of Helm's daughter in The War of the Rohirrim as long as Helm's nephew Frealaf still gets his due. Don't be an animation philistine.
Does it mean time travel going to be a thing only because time is mentioned once.
The war of the Rohirrim is not coming out in June, it is coming out December the 13th. I look forward to the animated movie, it is directed by people who love professor Tolkien and his stories and his writing. Philippa Boyens is producing it as well. Brian Cox as the voice of Helm Hammerhand should be wonderful and Miranda Otto will be narrating some parts of the movie. As far as for the hunt for Gollum, most people will say they would have wanted another story to be told. I do not think Peter Jackson would disrespect professor Tolkien. With the Hobbit movies, he was forced into a lot of silly plots by the studio and he did not have much of a choice. I think he could make something good if he is really in charge and he does not have the pressure of the studios. I still have hope in Peter Jackson and his team he worked with on the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
I agree that much of the success or failure of these movies will depend on whether or not the studio meddles in the production. If the studio takes the more hands-off approach they did for LOTR then we have a good chance of some good films.
Tom Bombadil is probably some diverse thing now.
People who only watch the Rings of Power reviews: "We have seen evil."
The One Ring hosts: "You have not seen what we have seen!"
Jonathan after another Tolkien character is butchered: "There is a tempest in me!"
The actor's face looks more of a Tom Bombadil on its own, than when they put him in costume and make up, how tf does that happen?
Tom Bombadil & "The Stranger" = 2 Blue Wizards......90%
I wonder what changed for Tom, that he became so non-interventionist after apparently being interventionist in Rings of Power.
Perhaps he went outside, saw all the awful writing around him and went "Nope. The outside world is dumb. Never going there again."
Bombadil was a bit to whimsical for the films. Anime can be good, watch the Witcher film or the castlevania series! Though I think they’ve already doomed war of the rohirrim with their thing about helms daughter. I don’t really want a hunt for Gollum film. What I’ve said all along is a life of Aragorn series! His growing up in Rivendell his training with the dunedain! His wars in Gondor and Rohan! His travels in rhun and far harad! Ending with the hunt for Gollum and being tasked with helping Frodo! Maybe with Vigo as an older king Aragorn at the start recounting things starting with his father and mother! That show done well I’d watch the shit out of! And it would need new younger actors!
All the changes PJ made in Fellowship were perfectly reasonable and a lot of them were good. Even in film 2 and 3 where I disagree with some of the changes, I can at least understand why they were made.
In RoP none of the changes makes any sense. They have discarded story lines and ideas they actually had rights to, and replaced them with weird non-Tolkien stuff, and I don’t understand what they were trying to accomplish.
Cheers
There was nothing perfectly reasonable about Gimli expecting a warm welcome in Moria 💀 Especially while Gandalf already knew about the Balrog somehow yet didn’t bother to mention it 😅
@@bintube5269 That might be dumb indeed, but as far as my memory serves it is kinda book accurate. PJ made Gimli lay it on more thick than in the written text, but Gimli did actually believe that his cousin was still around. Gandalf suspected that Durin’s Bane was still around and awake, but didn’t say anything about that, and as Moria is as large as a small country, going through in the hope of not encountering it wasn’t an insane plan. That’s how I remember the book anyway.
And anyway, I understand from a narrative point of view why PJ chose to make a bigger contrast between Gimli’s expectations and the depressing reality. Like I said, even the changes I dislike I can still understand.
Can we not just get a younger actor who looks like Viggo…. Geeez
Im going to assume this is satire because this would be a huge middle finger to LOTR fans
@@Phoenixguy357 haven’t they all been though…. Don’t get me wrong, love watching what we got… but butcher job is what we got….. just follow cannon and us fans will be happy….
I never had a problem with the wizard duel.Its a visual medium and Jackson used many tricks to sell the movie to a mass audience without completely losing the essence of Tolkiens world.A slavish interpretation of the actual books would have resulted in an unfilmable boring mess.The movies were lightning in a bottle.
LOTR was great because PJ, Fran and Philipa are Tolkien Nerds. They are creating The Hunt for Gollum for the the same reason - They are Tolkien nerds. Since there isn't much to the source material, it amounts to nothing more than fan fiction. If they are going to create a fan fiction, they should have picked something that has the potential for a story of epic scale on par with LOTR.
They could have created a story with the Blue Wizards in the East, and what they did during the Third Age.
Dan said it right, Tolkien is a cash grab for these movie companies who want to milk all they can get. None of them care about the lore, they only care about the money. And that includes Jackson. While his adaptation to LOTR is the best so far, it still fails in many ways when placed head to head to the books.