Why did Bilbo age without the Ring, but not Gollum? 🤔
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Why tell us this about Gollum & Bilbo? Stop wasting our time with bad content.
Why don't you let people read a book? Tolkien is 1 of the greatest fiction wrighters of all time. If anything you should highlight him.
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@Nebol if you care so much why say something
Gollum is the definition of peak performance. Bro is over a century but even without that life changing Ring juice he never ages. Why? King stays healthy. Our man Smeagol works out. He takes long walks, swims and climbs everyday, he can spend years on the move with only minor breaks. There's no terrain or weather this beast of a man can't handle, he strides proudly through any climate. His gorilla style walk also means that his arms get to work as well during these exercises.
What's more he eats all natural. Homie makes sure that no artifical chemicals are ever added to his food. This culinary man can even taste when the food isn't natural and spits it out right away. He has a healthy diet of fish, birds, meats and insects, all which he hunts himself. You'd think greens would be neccissary to stay in good health but our man Smeagol proves that just like an all green diet an all meat one has its benefits. The only artifical element in this mans diet is his Ring juice but as he has proven he does not need it to stay healthy anymore.
Gollum is the peak of health, a true inspiration for any man. And you bet that the doctors hate him, because he proves that with nothing but an all natural diet, active life style and a few years on ring juice, you can become a strong long lived, practically immortal, greek god of man.
Gollum: the first ambassador for paleo diet 😂
*diet
He's actually more than 5 centuries old XD
@@efaristi9737 This greek god of a man is truly inspirational
@@Parocha King's a revolutionary
Bro the Pelinal song at the end REALLY threw me off guard dope choice
@Dandusky , wow, your the second person to recognize that song. THAT"S CRAZY! I am shocked anyone would know it. Well played good sir, well played....
On another note, you've probably been playing too much Skyrim!!!
@thegreyhavens167 make that a third cause I immediately knew, you should put a credit somewhere since AllinAll made it and it's not just Elder Scrolls soundtrack music
I knew I recognised that tune !
I also recognized it!
@@thegreyhavens167one of the greatest songs
Wait, so 17 years had passed between Bilbo leaving the Shire, to the formation of the Fellowship?!?
Yes
Yep - @kumaferumin is right. G took his sweet sweet time. ＼（〇_ｏ）／ I mean, kinda dropped the ball on this one, right?
@@thegreyhavens167 Well that explains also the whole thing with the Orcs finding Gollum and torturing him to give up the position of the ring.
Makes kinda more sense to me, with seeing how Orcs are described in the books.
And also, Gandalf couldnt read an entire archive worth of documents in just mere days :D
@@thegreyhavens167even in the movies?
@@kumaferumin makes perfect sense, because watching the movie when Gandalf goes to the archives in Gondor, I knew that a decent amount of time had to have passed for that journey back and forth. But they make it seem like it was only a day or two after Bilbos party that he returns to tell Frodo to leave the Shire.
That’s really cool! This is why I say the books are better… there’s so much information that solves some questions people have about the movies.
Well said. I dont know if I personally would say books are "better" than movies... but more like different. But yeah, if you want to think things through the movies certainly aren't great for that!
Are there things you think were specifically better in the books than the movies? Or maybe the other way around?
It almost comes off as plot holes in the movies
@@thegreyhavens167 vorites are Gandalf, Sam, Aragorn, etc. Just to make a few. However, I don’t believe they are the masterpieces everyone says they add (though I will agree they are spectacular). Some characters have been changed for the worse in my opinion. Gimli was sorta reduced to comic relief. It’s not a huge deal, but it’s annoying. Faramir’s character was completely changed, screwing it up. I’m referring to the scene where in the book he lets Frodo and Sam go at Ithilien, but in the movie takes them back to Osgiliath. This goes against his character in the book. Also, Denethor was kinda portrayed as beyond stupid, when there were more factors in the book that led to his madness. Yes, Boromir’s death was explained in the movie, but the hidden palantir is not shown, which would’ve been a cool twist before his death. And that’s the thing. Peter Jackson left soooo much stuff out. I’ll pick on Fellowship, here. Because this is where I think it is most evident. Most of the first half of the book is either missing or changed. The time it takes for Gandalf and Frodo to talk about the ring, Farmer Maggot, Crickhollow, The Black Forest and the Old Willow, Tom Bombadil, the Barrow Downs, and Glorfindel, just to name a few. I understand not having every single detail on the screen, which is ok, but these are entire chapters! I 100% understand why Jackson left this stiff out, though. In order to keep the flow of the movie, stuff had to be cut. Whatever. Here’s my question. Shelob’s fight scene was moved to ROTK, because Frodo and Sam needed more to do in that movie. Doing that took out a portion of TTT that was pretty cool! So Jackson made stuff up to compensate. The Warg fight and Fararmir’s choices come to mind. Here’s the thing: if they were willing to move the end of TTT, maybe they could’ve moved the ending of TFOTR to TTT. Doing this would make two things possible. One, it would eliminate the pointless action scenes that had no point to exist. Two, it might allow for some of the cut scenes in FOTR to see the light of day. The only issue I see is this messing with the flow of the movie, But I think Jackson could’ve made it work. It would’ve been so cool to see some of the mentioned cut scenes in the movie. (Even if it was just extended, I still would’ve liked it!) Again, no hate towards Jackson here. He did a phenomenal job with what he was given, which was a pretty big task. Just some things annoy me. Like for example (last ruing I think 😆), Arwen having a bigger role in the movie when she was only mentioned in the book? Like I get they couldn’t have Glorfindel save Frodo just to throw him away, but Arwen? This is where I think the old LOTR did good. They had Legolas save Frodo, which made a degree of sense. Having Arwen’s fate tied to the ring also makes no sense and I won’t even try to explain why. Arwen did not need to be on every single poster, when she had little to do, even with her buff in the movies. The only reason she is on the posters is because they needed a female on there. It’s very Anjou ikr to see a minor character on otherwise epic posters. So that’s my mini-rant. 😆 Sorry you have to read so much, but this is what I think of the movies vs. books. The books will always come first to me, because I love all the detail, but there’s a lot the movies get right, and are still fantastic to come back to. 😁
@@thegreyhavens167 Sorry!! My comment was too long that it stared cutting off at the top. What I said was that I loved the action scenes in lotr, the books could simply not compare to the epicness and emotion of the movies. Helms deep, Pelenor fields, and the Blake Gate battles come to mind. Also the acting was great. Some of my favorites were… (This is where the top and long comment starts!) ⬆️
They do answer the questions and where TF is Tom Bombadil in the films? I know he's OP and whimsical but considering how musical the shitty hobbit films are he could have been included. I would love to have seen the scene where Tom puts on the ring and doesn't disappear, he treats it like a fun trinket.
One could say Bilbo falling asleep during the council in Rivendell is the age starting to catch up. I always took it as Gollum still eing connected to the ring after all this time.
That's a good point actually. Thanks! I always viewed the Stopping Time power of the rings in Rivendell and Lorien just making humans feel sleepy / ethereal / confused on time / etc. But it could be age? That's a good thought!
Also, BB is a pretty saucy dude by this time, so I also feel it might be his way of just letting everyone know what he thinks about all the blathering dialog! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@thegreyhavens167 It might be because I read the books after I saw the movies but I completely agree to Biblo's saucyness plays a rolls either way.
Bilbo also has an easier break from the ring, (relatively) as he gave it up instead of having it taken from him.
@@davidlewis5312 And had it for a much shorter time than Gollum did, which probably made giving it up easier too
But Gollum DID age. That’s not his youthful face or body! He’s literally stretched thin as Bilbo put it, aging but never dying. Remember he used to be a fat happy albeit rather covetous hobbit.
He means after he loses the ring
Technically Smeagol aged rapidly if you account that he became a skeleton in a matter of seconds.
He chose... poorly... 🤣🤣
He experienced accelerated oxidization
Smeagol Gets Burned in Lava before he gets very very old that old that you will not see him that way..
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I think Gollum stated that with Ring's destruction he would instantly crumble into dust. He stayed around way past his natural expiration date, while Bilbo also started to quickly catch up to his natural age after Ring was gone.
I wanna say because Bilbo wasn’t still being influenced by the power of the ring since he willingly gave it up, whereas Gollum was obsessed with the ring and therefore his spirit was driven to find the ring at any cost
That was my assumption, the ring was still 'attached' to Smeagol through Gollum but Bilbo though still haunted by being a Ringbearer was free of the Ring because he willingly gave it up.
Yep, this is the case. The ring still had grip over Gollum whereas, while still tempting to Bilbo, he gave it up.
That kind of act heals a marred soul which is what the ring does to people. Never fully healed Bilbo, but it removed the majority of the ring's stain.
@@AppHangout I don’t know if it’s ever been elaborated before, but it feels like the ring is a (I forgot what the word is) but it represents drugs. If you give it up willingly, it still is tempting for you but you can be better. If it’s taken and you still crave it, it always has it’s control on you
@@jackapples1 a metaphor? I think it is but it is for addiction in general not just drugs, Gollum can't live with it or without it, psychologically anyway.
Yep this is way more accurate than what he said in the video
Smeagol just had the ring overdose
Lava bath = opposite of ice bath. Ice bath = possible health benefits. Therefore it means that a lava bath causes negative health effects
Dude that's some quantum level knowledge right there!
Or another way to say it: Lava is HOT! 🤣
Damn we need this tested
@@thegreyhavens167 mmm...not sure about that....source?
Instant death is pretty negative after all.
Was NOT expecting Gangsters Paradise. Great video.
@GreenFoodMan, gotta admit that is an awesome tune! Also Smeagol is kinda baller....
I wasn't expecting the Pelinal Whitestrake opera in the outro either!
@@Steelface97yeah me neither lol
Dude it's so unnecessary for these video to GO SO HARD yet they always do. You never disappoint 👍
🤣🤣 What can I say? I am having WAY to much fun making these ridiculous things! 🤣🤣
@thegreyhavens167 well the effort shows in the editing. And you doing the voice yourself instead of using some crappy AI is a breath of fresh air
You really put Destined Death from ER and Pelinal in one short? Gorgeous
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I'm honestly surprised anyone really noticed 😅. Well played, my friend, well played. 🙇
@@thegreyhavens167 just watched other short, dude you putting more memes in one shorts then LOTR lore, lol 😀
Yeah.... There is chance my sense of humor is... weird 🤷😅
Man, I’ve been thinking about this for a week
Destined Death in the background... is that a reference to Elden Ring?
the song at the end is called 'Pelinal' an animated opera thing. Good song
My precious…
Immortality just for possessing the ring and keeping it safe? Give me that damn ring.
...at a huge cost ...
Bilbo lived for effectively only 70 years, young for a Hobbit, Frodo effectively 36, Smeagol lived a miserable extended life, with 33 years before and 78 after, 111 is OK for a Hobbit
@@davidioanhedges This makes no sense to me... where did you pull these numbers? Bilbo lived 111 years until he moved to Rivendell, in which he lived for at least another 17. Frodo, I actually don't know how old he was by the time he left for the West. Gollum lived for over 500. Nobody lived to just 111.
id take the ring tbh, i wouldnt mind being a little weird looking and evil if i lived forever
Bilbo gave the ring up . Gollum never did
Bro’s out here helping people with their deepest thoughts on LOTR 🙏🏽
Awww yeah!!! Doing my best. Thanks for the great comment. Glad you liked the vids. ＼（〇◡ｏ）／
Don't forget the fact that Gollum used the ring a lot.
Gollum aged like f**k from what I saw
idk, seems incredibly spry and strong and active for someone that's almost 600 years old? :)
Gollum cackle cracks me up
I always thought he aged suddenly once the ring got destroyed...
17 years?!? I thought maybe a month or 2 BUT NAH A WHOLE SCHOOL CAREER BASICALLY
In the books it is said that Gollum is still under the influence of the ring even when he doesn’t own it anymore. While Bilbo is in Rivendell and has accepted that he’s not the owner anymore.
Gollum had already hit his max age form
... Gollum never got the chance to age rapidly, dudebro. He fell in the lava WITH the ring. 😂😂😂
No way is that the Pelinal song in the background?
@stointhedwarf9838, OMG THERE IS NO WAY!!!!! I can't believe someone recognized this song, that's crazy!
You sir, are a Legend! (and probably spent way too much time playing Skyrim)
@@thegreyhavens167 Praise ALMSIVI my friend. Have you thought of doing elder scrolls lore videos or is LotR more of your thing?
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“Some level of Sauron’s spirit has attached itself to Bilbo”
Context: I may be forgetting a key obvious phrase form the novel.
Is this really his spirit or just his power? If it is his spirit, why would destroying the ring remove Sauron’s spirit from Bilbo? Both the aging effects and the Elven rings of power terminated at the Ruling ring’s destruction. The elven rings did not have Sauron’s spirit right? I might also just be confusing myself.
Lastly, youtube’s algorithm was not suggesting your videos to me for about a month so I am subscribed to not miss your content. Good work
Subbed and nice addition of that Pelinal Whitestrake song at the end lol
Nice catch! 🙇 Honestly, I am super surprised when others know this song... but the video must be more popular than I think. That youtuber is a pretty epic artist!
(why is TES lore so amazing 😅)
Fucking the theme of the Divine Crusader just slipping in at the end , both to wipe out all elves
Wow, I'm shocked other people know this song.... well played good sir, well played.
I'm not sure what the Elves think of me for using this song. 🤔 But I typically play the theme from "mortal" kombat when the elves battle, which I'm sure really pisses off the "immortal" long ears 🤣🤣🤣
@@thegreyhavens167 I'm a big fan of the elder scrolls so I caught it lol
Dope music choose bro, Pelinal is such a banger
Awww yeah!!!! (~‾▿‾)~. Thanks man!
Honestly surprised anyone knows that song. Well played good sir! 🙇
There it is again, second video of yours I’ve watched and I’ve another quest in my log
YES!!
I have a personal rule for myself: no playing Skyrim two days in a row... ever. If I have an itch I will play it for ONE night, but that's it. (anything more, and there goes another 250 hours of my life 🤣)
Question. What kind of bear Is best?
You may not like this but that's peak performance
He terminator two'ed... excellent 😂
Awwww yeah! ＼（〇◡ｏ）／ Thanks! Glad you liked it. If only Smeagol would have given us a Thumbs Up when we went under 😢
Gollum was aging, at the end last time Sam watched Gollum, he said "Im looking at a small crampid creature deteriorated"
That music at the end is the pelinal whitestrake music
“Six million six hundred and one”
Remember, as soon as Bilbo gave up on the ring he aged quickly. So I guess you only stay young as long as you own the ring.
We'll said comment! But polite challenge to you.... Bilbo aging like that was only in the films. I think your movie experience might be bleeding into your book experience 😅
In the book, Bilbo never physically ages.... at all.... until the Ring is destroyed. (Or at least that's how I read it. Do you read it differently?)
He did age. Over 17 long years. And Gollum transformed over 500 years. Hello comet.
This was something I always wondered
Dude. Seeing the lava shots back to back... HOW did they do the T2 shot???
Great comment.... but just cost me 30 minutes of my life! 🤣🤣 After reading this, I couldn't help but think the same thing. What wizardly did they possibly use to do this magic?
Ends up Wikipedia has a whole page on it, with a big section on how they made the molten steel. Super interesting...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_effects_of_Terminator_2:_Judgment_Day
Crazy stuff! The answer: mineral oil and powered sugar??
Honestly, other than being addicted and forever in withdrawal, Bilbo had a pretty dope life...
This needs Strongbad saying, "LAVA'D!" when Smeagol hits the lava. Fit him into a Teen Girl Squad episode.
BEST COMMENT EVER 🏆🏆🏆🏆
(been a really long time since I thought of Strongbad yelling LAVAED! 😅)
@@thegreyhavens167 just make sure to do an intro with so-and-so (Sauron?) the cheerleader (Sauruman?) and the ugly one (Smeagol?) with the tinkly piano music. Lol
Lovely to meet a fellow HSR fan. Glad you appreciated the reference. 😁
Bilbo willingly gave up the ring while gullum is still sworn to it.
I typically listen to the pelinal song in my playlist, so it surprised me when I heard it playing in the background 😂
Ok, three things 🤣🤣: 1) I can't believe others recognize this song... Amazing!!!!! 2). That is a banger of a tune!! 3). I bet those preppy long ears hate it when I play that song...
That out of the blue pelinal whistrake song at the end 😂
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Nice song at the end
extra points for playing Pelinal up to the point where Gollum is "terminated"
@yolkonut6851, OMG I CANT BELIEVE YOU RECOGNIZED THAT SONG!!!!!!
That is super impressive good sir. Though on another note, I fear you have been playing too much Skyrim and probably need to do something more productive! 🤣🤣
Thanks lol, you're spot on but nowadays it's more UA-cam and TES Wiki speculating about Shezarines and the fate of The Last Dragonborn
Nice. I know this is going to sound weird coming from a guy who runs a Tolkien site, but TES has my favorite lore of any franchise. The disappearing of the Dwemer, the Dragon Break, achieving Chim, the Dreamer, the Thalmor's plan to make Men non-existent.... it just goes on and on.
What are some channels or sites you visit with good info on this? The first one that comes to mind for me is called Fudgemuppet.
I thought I was crazy when I heard that.
Gollum aged super-slow while he had the ring, he was several hundred years old.
Gollum is just built different
There's something to consider. In the books, Bilbo may have aged a tiny bit without the Ring but with it still existing. Once it was destroyed, however, he started to age a lot and showed signs of senility (forgetting that he gave the Ring to Frodo, etc). Gollum, on the other hand, outright knew he'd die the second the Ring was destroyed (or pretty quickly thereafter) and he even says so outright "We turns to dust." or something like that when confronting Frodo and Sam on Mt. Doom.
Another thing to consider, maybe is how old Bilbo vs. Smeagol/Gollum were when they first got the Ring. Bilbo was almost 51 (his 51st birthday was the day he escaped the Elven palace out the trapdoor.) Smeagol must have just turned 32 or something and become an official adult Hobbit for all we know. Since Hobbits were known to live to about 100 or more, generally, if that's the case, Smeagol may have aged to about 100 or so by the time he died. It was stated that Bilbo still appeared about 51 at his 112th birthday, or, pretty much "unchanged". Other than the drastic change in appearance caused by the Ring to Smeagol, he may have also, otherwise appeared about in his 30's till the day he lost the Ring.
Bro bopping to the Pelinal theme while nerdin on LOTR lore
ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪ Gotta admit, that's one banger of a tune! ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪
SImply one of those creative movie/book differences, like the missing part of the story with the sacking of the shire by Suraman.
Worked it out before you explained, just never thought about it
Or maybe that Terminator "Gollumed"
Oohhh..... I guess Gollum did his thing first, huh. Well played, friend, well played!
I figure it's because the ring is like a cigarette so the longer you're on it the longer the effects last.
I always thought the reason why the ring influenced people is because the ring itself is an Oath that binds people who speak on it - and because, according to the Ainur, music itself is speech/song, simply wearing it binds you to Sauron. The life force isn't the only thing you're given, but your mind is fused with Sauron's in a way, which is why you desire the ring, because all Sauron desires is to inherit the ring again. It's a solitary desire that would be the only added personality trait, due to it being the sole focus of Sauron's mind.
It's also seen that characters often seal their fate by speaking on the ring, which is something that is spoken of in the books, but not in the movies
Gollum would die the moment the ring was destroyed. If I recall correctly he states that in the book. His life force is bound to it.
In the books and the films the third eagle was for Gollum. The Valar might have been able to refashion him a new untainted body too. He could heal with Lòrien/Estë and Nienna. ❤
Pelinal by all in all is an intersting choice of song but I like it quite a bit and was happy to hear it
Wow, I can't believe how many other people know this song.... super impressive good sir!
(i mean, that is a banger of a tune!)
I mean, Gollum isn't exactly the poster child for health, though, is he.
My head cannon is that Gollum spent much more time than Bilbo with the ring and during that time his body and biology adapted to live underground hunting, crawling, climbing, eating raw animals and living in the dark thus becoming a new creature itself while bilbo kept living lika a normal hobbit. And so Gollum aged but in a different way
“ he does not grow or obtain more life, he merely continues “
I love Bilbo!! I respect gollum for his loyalty and his smarts and survival skills.
Actually in the book it had been decades since Bilbo had left the Shire before Frodo saw him again in Rivendell. Bilbo had reached 111 (eleventy-one) when he left and was approximately 140 when they remet.
Wasn't it that Bilbo always took naps, and fell asleep in the book at Rivendell?
True - physically he was the same, but mentally he was more sleepy and a bit of a grumpy boomer. Gandalf suggests it's because in Elrond's house he is being healed a bit from the Ring infection (Elrond was the greatest healer in the world at the time). What do you think? How do you read it?
My theory is that Gollum had it so long, the Ring basically turned him into jerky.
How ironic, the little man Sauron corrupted became his downfall.
I always threw it up to not being able to tell with gollum i mean what would even change
Gollum looks like a guy who has hidden in a cave for 500 years
Agreed 100%. I see him as not aging, just adapting to a pretty crazy lifestyle. I mean he lived in a slimy pool of water with no sun for 500 years! If I'm in the water for only like 500 seconds I get all wrinkly. Honestly, he looks pretty good considering! 🤔😅
@@thegreyhavens167 and then the ring supposedly corrupts them. I imagine that isnt good for the skin either
That pelinal song is so good
Agreed... that is a banger of a tune. Epic!
that AllinAll banger at the end tho
🤣 I can't believe you recognized that song! Impressive good sir. You are the true Nerevarine 🙇
(yeah that tune is incredible!!!)
I thought about this very question while I was watching the films on the big screen during the Fathom Events going on now.
In what sense did Gollum not age??? Look at him, he's the freaking Crypt Keeper.
Gollum is the definition of peak performance. Bro is over a century but even without that life changing Ring juice he never ages. Why? Bro stays healthy. Our man Smeagol works out. He takes long walks, swims and climbs everyday, he can spend years on the move with only minor breaks. There's no terrain or weather this beast of a man can't handle, he strides proudly through any climate. His gorilla style walk also means that his arms get to work as well during these exercises.
What's more he ears all natural. Homie makes sure that no artifical chemicals are ever added to his food. This culinary man can even taste when the food isn't natural and spits it out right away. He has a healthy diate of Fish, meats and insects, all which he hunts himself. You'd think greens would be neccissary to stay in good health but our man Smeagol proves that just like an all green diate an all meat diate has its benefits. The only artifical element in this mans diate is his Ring juice but as he has proven he does not need it to stay healthy anymore.
Gollum is the peak of health, a true inspiration for any man and you be that the doctors hate him because he proves that with nothing but an all natural diate, active life style and a few years on ring juice, you can become a strong long lived, practically immortal, man.
@@brucejedilee5290 Bronze Age Pervert, is that you?
After 500 years look so good you will not...
I would suggest that Smeagol's failing appearance has less to do with "aging" and more to do with his lifestyle choices. He lives in total darkness, which made him pale and his eye grew large. He lives in a wet slimy environment and spends way too much time swimming. And he is nutritionally starved from only eating fish (and occasional Goblin).
(also, been FOREVER since I thought of the Crypt Keeper. Been laughing on and off for 10 minutes just thinking about him!) 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@thegreyhavens167 I dunno man, he looks pretty aged to me.
@@thegreyhavens167And also, being in possession of the ring for five centuries has caused some sort of decaying in Gollum, rather than aging. I think he's ugly, pale and skinny due to the One Rings influence. Kinda like the ring wraiths are both living and dead...
I always just figured it was because Bilbo gave up the ring willingly and Sméagol had it taken from him so Bilbo renounced any powers the ring gave him but Sméagol still was a servant of the ring.
... you used that music from the Pelinal Whitestrake "opera" cartoon at the end, didn't you?
🤣🤣🤣. What??? Of course not.... Well maybe a little.... Ok, yes.... Very yes!!!!
I can't believe anyone else even knows that song. Much less recognize it in the background. Well played friend, well played 🙇
Something tells me we both played way too much Skyrim. 😅
I see you with whitestrake playing
Song ends..... 🤣🤣
Song ends... of a knight called Pelinal...
Wow... Can't believe anyone else knows this song, that's crazy! Well played good sir, well played. 😑✊
My deeper perspective of LoTR is that it's a metaphor for drug addiction. We feel younger under the influence of some drugs, yet in withdrawal we feel older and feebler than how we felt before doing drugs
Also in the book it was like 50 years from Bilbo's departure. And imagine how fuckin bad ass it would have been if gollum sank into the lava, and right before his hand went under he gave us the ol' "👍" lmao. It would have been cheesy, but I wouldn't have even been mad!
When I watched the movies, I watched The Hobbit first and thought Gollum looked older in The Lord of The Rings; because when he made his full appearance in The Two Towers the moon made his hair look silver.
True. Also, Sméagol had the ring longer than anyone in history. Longer than the dark lord himself.
*edit… correction, not longer than the dark lord*
True... all that exposure. Had to make a more potent effect on him. Well said.
How long did ya think Sauron held the ring? It was 3 times longer then Gollum even lived.
Smeagol had it way longer than Isilduir, Bilbo, or Frodo, sure.... but not Sauron. Sauron had it for like over 1800 years before he was defeated the first time.
@@KS-xk2so you’re absolutely right. I totally forgot about that. He had it before he was captured by the numenorians.
@@breonwilson8790 yep. Forged around 1600 in the Second Age I think.... I'd have to look it up to be sure.
Smiegle didn’t necessarily “age” but he was utterly corrupted and twisted from a regular hobbit like race into Gollum.
Gollum had the Ring for over 500 years? That would have it to imbue him with alot more of power and longevity.
I do wonder what would have have happened if Golem HADN’T fallen, in all likelihood, the sudden lost of the magic would have probably just killed him
Sorry interesting thought 🤔🤔🤔 well said!
I could see him dying suddenly... I could also see him killing himself... But any chance it gives Smeagol relief and just kills the Gollum side? And Smeagol can live a few years as a happy little hobbit dude? I doubt it....
Hey can you make a video about what happened with the Shelob spider pls
Good old shmeegol...but actually i asked myself the same question yesterday when i watched part 1...and i was shocked it was almost 20y between party and gathering forth...frodo was around 50+ when he left the shire....
Look up - Robot Chicken: The ring is mine!
Yup. That scene where Gandalf goes off and studied after giving Bilbao the ring and telling him to keep it secret, keep it safe, that scene lasted 17 years in the books.
And the scene at the end where they leave on the boat took places ages after the end of the movie as well.
I think it's because Gollum had the ring longer so the effects had a greater effect on him, while Bilbo had it for 60 years at the start of LOTR so while he did age slowly eventually the effects would've worn off quicker
Destined Death mentioned!!!!
Nice Catch! Honestly, Elden Ring was one of the most impactful, meaningful gaming experiences I have had in a while. I mean... wow... there is just nothing else like it!
Full video on Pelinal Whitestrike when?
YES!!!! OMG I love TES lore so much! Also, nice catch on the song. Didnt really thing anyone knew that song : )
I always just figured that Gollum had the ring for so bloody long that he was twisted into something inhuman with long life, no longer just a simple Hobbit, whereas Bilbo while he aged slower, was still just a Hobbit when he lost it, because he didn't have it for centuries.
Pelinal Whitestrake always gets a like
There are people alive today, that have not watched Terminator 2.
Well said. When I was making the video I actually thought something similar... what percentage of younger people haven't seen Terminator 2???
So I showed it to two people I know age 19 and 22. They both immediately recognized the fist going into the lava as T2. Well, there is my super scientific poll results 🤣🤣
It's a movie only problem, but in my head canon, Bilbo actually mentally let go of the ring; he chose to let it go and that freed him from its spell... for the most part. Gollum in the other hand is still very much beholden to the ring and enslaved by it.
Anyway, if you love the movies, I can recommend the books. I managed to finally read it last year and am working my way through Unfinished Tales. Have read The Silmarillion. It's awesome. Now is really a great time to get into these books since Harper Collins is putting out all these really cool editions.
I assumed it was because Gollum had the ring centuries before Billbo had it, and he for only a few decades.