watching splits is like if you went to watch a sports game, and you had to watch them stretch and run some random drills for 12 hours before the game starts
Preach, I really like this content. In the future can you please be more consistent when pausing when commenting on the video? Its very distracting and difficult to hear when you and the video are the same volume and the two are talking at the same time.
For more viewers, while Preach was on: I watch most of the race starting from around noon. And for me it felt like i saw Preach and Alex the most. Not because i only tuned in, when they both where on, but because they where on in the timeframe, that was the best for EU viewers. But whenever I saw someone eals casting, I did not feel as if they where secon rated casters or anything. I realy did enjoy all of the casters.
I definitely looked when Mike or Alex was hosting and watched them. But mostly because i knew them from older days. The other casters were also enjoyable though.
If you’re gonna react to a video, I would suggest pausing to make commentary. Really hard to understand when there are multiple voices talking over each other.
5:00 Yeah, it's true. I literally only watched the parts of the race where Preach was casting, I don't care about WoW anymore, I watched 'cause Mike's entertaining.
The viewership dipped during Jailer until it got close, then it spiked as high as it typically does when an endboss is close to falling. I think Max was completely right on the brand change, I absolutely click the recommended list or whatever more than following a channel when I am like a secondary watcher. I have to say also that Echo's team clicked better than I've ever seen a casting team prior from WF... no shade towards any caster previous but just the combination just worked so well for you people.
I watched a LOT of this tace and not even joking the preach effect is real. Edit: the liquid stream was ok overall, but their highlight for me was the moments of all female casters and how much sinergy they had and made it close to preach and co.
I tuned in during split runs for both Echo and Liquid. The Echo production were genuinely trying hard to keep the stream entertaining with competitions, giveaways, and promotion codes, even if the split runs were boring to watch. I tuned in to Liquid and the casters were as bored as I was rambling about random topics lol.
that was the most important thing to me, i had the stream as background and it had its moments, checked some of the split streams for liquid and some of the casters sounded like they were held at gun point xD
"Are you sure? I don't know man, maybe this is, like, some niche LB boss that does some weird things man. I say we hold the LB. I say we hold the LB. Are you sure? Do you want to send it? Alright, send it...!! ... ... Wait... wait did it do damage? Oh."
I think Preach underestimates how much he adds to the casting team and how many viewers he brings, he creates such a fun atmosphere even if we're watching Echo's triple digit splits.
If blizz can't realistically test these fights then what's the point? In the end that just means that during the Race, where the most attention possible on the raid is there, is where the beta testing is happening. Have limit / echo ever said if they would prefer slightly easier/lower tuned fights that work as intended. One upside of that would be that you could simultaneously release all difficulties without PTR, for actual blind progress.
The point is that echo/Liquid and some others are simply way above any tester team. You need to have players on the same level as those to test something that challenges them. It's simply the result of this game being so old and keep becoming harder and harder. Max in this video said "as long as it's not a fast race" so yea, they would not like lower tuned fights. We had that on Emerald Nightmare and it got finished in a day, before EU could even log in.
@@TheAssirra maybe I’m just stupid, but what is the point in having content(mythic raid) that is being cleared by 1% of wow population at best? Also it’s not being tested and having multiple bugs doesn’t work in it’s favour either. I for one would absolutely have another Emerald Nightmare if it means that it’s being cleared by a substantial amount of players. Who actually gives a fuck if 40 sweaty nerds are gonna whine that it’s not hard enough?
@@ProtossOP For what it's worth, I do think it's fine to design aspirational content. Ideally, the only driving force behind whether content gets made is if the team wants to make it, because what the team wants to make will be their best work. But for mythic, in practice they aren't releasing their best work. Some fights have unbelievably embarrassing bugs that should not have made it through QA and the amount of nerfing they do for every tier is ridiculous. It's very clear that there is something fundamentally wrong with their process - they have ideas for fights that people love, but they really, really struggle with execution. I think Blizzard should evaluate what's causing these glaring issues and fix them, but a decade of history says that probably won't happen anytime soon. I know Mike says FF and WoW raiding is completely different and that's why Square Enix is able to release bug-free and well-tuned raids, but I just don't buy it. There is no world where a 25% nerf to a boss's damage should ever be needed, no world where a boss is unintentionally killing pets or cleaving players, no matter how your raid is designed.
They haven't had internal teams capable of beating the top difficulty bosses in progress mode, fair and square, for a long time, maybe ever. There are few people capable on clearing this stuff at RWF pace and RWF gear level and these people most likely participate in RWF. That doesn't mean they can't test the encounters, they just do it with dev tools. Tuning based on data analysis is fine and has worked for years.
@@ProtossOP Ok, you are completely wrong here. Having easier raids like EN is not going to get more people. It's not the difficulty that is scaring people off. The majority are scared off by the organizing and such, everything but playing basically. Also, you seen the viewership in this very video? So many more people will see this content now than the the 1% now it's getting streamed over what it used to be. The same people that would have a horrible race (like BoD before Jaina for instance)
Eh, I can understand this mindset of "if you aren't first then second doesn't matter" but at the same time, when it was all said and done...the teams that finished ahead of Liquid overall just had a better strategy. They won a marathon because Liquid tried to sprint and fell apart at the end. It diminishes the accomplishments of the 2nd and 3rd place teams when a first-place contender is in such a bad state that they have to stop everything they're doing and recover from fatigue, but the contender says "yeah we could've kept going but decided not to". Second and third place didn't have to stop for so long, did they?
every guild used echo strat after the kill. if your boss said ''ok, your done, you can go home and finish the rest of it later'' would you still stay and do it? the gap between top 2 guilds and top 5 is so big that theres nothing disrespectful with saying that. like five(5) people will remember method got world second the moment 10.0 raid is out. thats just how competitive sport goes. or do you remember who placed 2nd or 3rd when usain bolt won olympics?
@@ullakeskinen8895 People who watched this race will absolutely remember that Liquid didn't get second because of the circumstances. In the future people who didn't see the races this expac will see a previous wf guild fall to second and then fifth place and then after some digging find out that they burnt out on the tier and went home when no one else did. That's just how history works.
@@Breadumi other guilds also stopped day raiding beside weekends. Sure it might be said on first tier of next expansion, but does it really matter? If anything liquid gets more attention out of this. We will see on next tier did liquid lose viewers and did method gain viewers. Everyone who follows rwf know it's 2horse race to win and 3horse race to 3rd.
4:54 can confirm, I only watched Echo whenever you and Alex were on and once your shift ended I would switch to Max's PoV. The other casters just don't quite have the strength of personality and natural chemistry that you guys have. PS: You're downplaying and attributing your impact on viewership down to the scheduling of streams and raiding but consider that your following is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the other casters (apart from Fatboss). There's a reason for that. I think all the casters did a great job even if I personally didn't enjoy them as much as you and Alex, but don't sell yourself short :D
Absolutely agreed. Ex mythic raider here, I LOVE hearing the comms of players in the game, but from the light hearted playful side (Max's stream), but I absolutely left that stream to watch Echo whenever Preach/Alex were on.
@@fightingblind no shit talk, how do you watch it on a phone? it seems like a horrible experience when TVs and PC's exist. I find it wild how many people watch twitch on phones
@@shalakabooyaka1480 I usually more listen than watch... something to pass the time at work. Without something to keep me sane, soldering the same wires, circuit boards and connectors for a month would drive me nuts :)
Let's put it this way. I'd rather watch any of the echo casters than liquid ones. I actually started with liquid and had to leave and go to max because they were not my style. But I loved listening to you guys shoot the shit while also being professional. Liquid felt like I was listening to nfl sports casters.
Preach, just a small feedback on the video. It is really hard to listen when you dont pause and just talk over the video. I think you should really pause when you want to say more than a couple of words.
I’m NA but find Liquid’s casting extremely hard to stomach, particularly when a certain person is at the desk. I watched Echo’s stream mostly and occasionally tuned in to Scripe but when I wanted to switch to Liquid I went with Max. Between the bad casting, what I feel is a clumsy rebranding, and Max lying about the FFXIV raids they did not-so-blind; I’ve found myself pulling for Echo.
man watching Max whine this much about the longevity of the race, specially when they were behind, which was 2 days, is kinda of annoying, since that XIV thing i kinda soured a bit to Max too, this one is just the icing, thankfully they all agree with a global release, because hearing him say it is only fun when they are ahead when they are ahead by default is annoying
Max was blind in xiv. He was doing an easy boss and easily spotted the mechanics needed to complete it. Just because one mediocre player makes a terrible video "proving" that max wasn't blind doesn't mean he wasn't blind. Yall are way too gullible. Max is a world class raid leader with years upon years of blind experience. You really think it's weird that he tries random stuff to figure things out?
@@Sammysapphira Yes, there is a whole video about this, many of the top raiders in FFXIV could tell he was lying because it happened so many times that people found a pattern to his bullshit. This is no joke. You also forget that Echo was also blind progging FFXIV and they never had these "genius 300 IQ" moments where they figured the exact meta strat that was refined by the community after hundreds of wipes and successful attempts, in a fucking blind prog scenario, after boosting to a brand new game, skipping years of raiding content.
@@Sammysapphira you are smoking a whole lot of copium if you think they were picking all that up blind. He should of just been honest and said he watched a bit of the bosses or something. It made him look like an idiot.
@@omensoffate I clicked on this video to gain another insight of a person that is familiar with this field and knowledge about the process. I did watch Max's original video, thank you.
I flicked back and forth between the casts for Liquid and Echo depending on what time of day and I think Liquid had the edge in production when it came to overlays etc by a decent margin. Caster wise I'd give a slight edge to Echo but both were very well done.
Watched the first 7 minutes but I can't continue. preach constantly talks over max and that would make my brain explode in 47 minutes. Is it like this only at the start or it gets better?
I haven't tuned much into Liquid stream, but Echo one was a great background noise on TV while working during the day. Watched some Max too, but I ended up liking the show format more than PoV.
It's really good publicity a long race to world first loads of people looking at wow so from a PR perspective seems really nice. So why shorten the race?
I followed echo and scripe, and prefered echo stream because of the insight because i don't play wow. And max channel only pulled ahead when echo stream passed to BDGG because echo was always ahead even when Limit was ahead in the race
Never been into watching sports of any kind. If you dont have a horse in the race kinda thing, probably be different if I knew someone on one of the teams.
@@UnwrittenNoise same i dont care what guild wins i just want a good close race. i dont even mind the longer races because thats just more time i can watch since there isnt crap to watch on tv, though 3 weeks races def arent good for the raiders so prob wont be anymore of those
Personally had the echo stream up for hours while at work in the US. Didn’t like the liquid stream at all. Viewership was consistent regardless of who was casting.
Aw man, I really wanted to see Preach's take on Max's statement a little further in regarding WeakAuras. Likely agreeing with him, but still. WA bloat has gotten real.
Yeah that was the most interesting part of Max's Q&A, since it's such a change for him. It's really good that the high-end WoW guys are (thanks to FF experiences for sure) starting to realize how unfun and unnecessary it is to have the game be designed around WA. I mean, surely it's the worst for them too, as most of us just DL a pacage, MAYBE tweak it a little and go. For them, they need to constantly be updating them in between pulls. Ugh.
Preach now saying it does not matter it is how it was read about the tweet yet he is the biggest spreader of what was read in to that tweet mentioning it several times each and every time he was on screen. No other caster mentioned it even 25% of the times as preach. And most of those times was on the back off preach mentioning it to them. Preach is the literal reason it was spread around so much he is patient zero for the people who spread it to other places. Interesting how that rule applies to others but not yourself preach.
NA Echo fan here. I watched the Liquid stream here and there to check their progress during the race. Their stream seemed more "professional" in terms of explaining things and talking about the game and just the energy. Normally that would be a good thing but actually I preferred Echo's stream and the laid back fun attitude. Even as an Echo fan I'd normally watch Zaelia's stream during the race. But this race I had both on because the Echo stream was so entertaining. There's something about that chill and fun energy that is just so WoW. This isn't CS or other more established esports so the more lighthearted fun content was a really good fit. I love that no matter how big the RWF there's still this fun gamer spirit to all of it. It would be a shame if you guys sat at the desk the whole time being technical about the game for 16 hours a day. The synergy between the casters felt so genuine. Then there's the amazing production team pumping out really great music and recap videos. The most enjoyable RWF production I've seen so far. You guys were amazing!
I thought that Eternal Palace was so far the best RWF event, just cuz of the chemistry on Method's couch. Preach, Esfand, j.b, Rich and all the other folks were just so much fun. I didn't enjoy any of the Shadowlands events as much. Anyone with me on this?
all i've learned this race, once again, is that watching Max's stream was incredibly entertaining and funny while watching any echo stream was annoying af since their visible fanbase in chat is unbearably toxic. like sportsfans, almost. and i'm an EU player. and after Gingis roid rage after Liquid killed an obviously bugged anduin fight, i kinda know why.
Obviously if you are only in max chanell u wont see the toxic NA people, they come from both sides believe me. Its the most cringe shit about RWF, just enjoy the fkking ride and know both guilds are a league or two above everyone else
when echo start doing ff's raid i was very skeptical bc of max and his so called "blind prog" and his egotistical streaming persona, but after watching echo guy for sometimes i instantly becomes a fan, end up watching their wfr for a fair bit despite not knowing jackshit about wow, and also bc of preach's god-tier casting too.
Wtf with that "blind runs" hate anyway . I did tried out ff14 and also had to read on every single guide before setting foot into any dungeon and raid , or else facing the fear of me fuck up the group leading to wipe.
@@timjack4650 you know what, you're absolutely right about that, nobody should care about it but also nobody likes a liar, it's that simple and there's nothing more to it.
@@timjack4650 both guilds agreed to do the raids in FF blind, and liquid didn’t and then lied about it, making the competition ingenuous. That’s what people were upset about.
Sadly despite preach being on echo's stream I just can't watch it due to the whole Josh incident. Edit: Yes I'm aware it was 'method' and almost all those people left and just left and made echo.
Its highly suspect how Max's stream viewership spikes from 2k to 40k during the WFR. His twitch chat is dead as fuck, even rogerbrown's 2k viewer chat was more active Why would anyone watch him repeat what the weakaura and the raidleader is saying ? Max needs to be a bit more subtle about the viewbotting next time, too many people have caught on this from castle nathria
This. 100% this. Even his biggest competition from EU and NA laugh at him cause he has made some stupid things lately. It was funny to read Chinese WoW forums and they were constantly laughing at Max's expense
@@EpicKillstreak when he and his team came to ff14 he stated that their endgame prog was 100% blind. However, there is plenty of evidence that he watched guides given the strats that he'd "recommend" or "guess" based on almost no known signaling. Honestly, I don't think anyone would have cared if he didn't claim that the prog was blind. The content is years old when they tried it. But, he claimed blind and it wasn't. Dude is a liar and doesn't deserve the clicks.
@@gtetrakai why i dont watch him anymore. its like, what's the point of watching him if he's going to just lie about it anyway? used to have respect for the guy as a player. not so much anymore
@@gtetrakai Oh that's interesting, didn't know about that one. I couldn't imagine why he would to that though, seem like a very cheap way to boost your own ego for little to no benefit.
Cheatingway AKA Mrnig4000 AKA Liquit Max AKA Nig AKA The Trickster of Bangladesh is the whole reason Limit crumbled under pressure and his Q&A is merely for damage control.
How is a content creator as good as preach not understand how to not talk over someone. Either do better at sound mixing/volume management or full pause a video like asmon. Trash video for production value. Good video for hearing more perspectives on a niche portion of the community. Great race this tier guys. Preach>Ratnose>Cams>LiterallyEveryOtherCaster>GreatPacificGarbageIsland>TwitchChatUA-camCommentors
Max is so annoying it's beyond anything I can stomach. He is the person that keeps saying that global release doesn't matter, since "they beta test bosses" and "the other races were always really close". Buddy, if the other team starts half a day later and it's still close, that doesn't mean that it's fair. It means that you wouldn't stand a chance with a global release. Another thing about him saying the g.release doesn't matter; "Being behind is extreeeemely mentally taxing". This is what EU has to deal with EVERY SINGLE RACE. Other guilds raided for longer, harder and weren't burnt out. Watching the Liquid streams was hard, since they were just goofing around constantly. Also huge disrespect from him towards Method, Pieces and other top 5 guilds. No, it's not winning or losing just because you gave up. I feel like this was a strategic decision and didn't want to "lose" but "win by putting mental health first", which is a straight hit with the NA crowd. It must have left a sour taste in EU's mouth by Liquid just giving up and not atleast wait untill Echo kills it to call it quits. It's always the same with him, he is so high on smelling his own farts that anything that comes close to bursting his bubble he starts fabricating stories, excuses etc.
That's an overly simplistic perspective. It's an absolute fact that the European team gains the benefit of learning from all the mistakes the US team makes and can then approach the boss with those lessons learned and ZERO fatigue for having learned them.
Why look for the first reason to dislike somebody and race to the comment section to make sure everybody knows that you disapprove of them or their actions as if some you’re some sort of paragon of virtue yourself? “You’re talking over Max!” - it’s a long video as he said in the beginning and Mike wants to get through it efficiently to keep his own schedule. Makes logical sense “Max lied about blind progression” - Even if he did you’d be lying if you said you’ve done otherwise. Politicians lie nonstop and you re-elect them so stop pretending that matters. “Disrespectful to 3rd - 5th” - Its a two horse race to world ‘first’ so if ‘first’ is your criteria for success and you miss your mark then why continue to push the team harder than you already have? The other teams will finish in the order they would have it’ll just be +/- 1 depending on when Liquid would kill it. The race those guilds ran is not effected by Liquid’s decision as they’re still the same in terms of capability relative to the top two as they always were. “Quit before Echo got the kill” - People would say shit regardless of when a guild stopped. Echo’s officers said they’d have done the same in the reverse situation confirming the two guilds are of the exact same mentality when it comes to the race and the health of the players. People act as if Mike, Max, Liquid or Echo should hold them in high regard when you’re just text on a screen. The truth; you support them and they’ll appreciate the comment, if not then the nasty comments mean jack shit to them. You appreciate the Ferrari, turn away from the shit box and don’t really care either away about who is driving (excluding the Holy Trinity of Clarkson, Hammond & May). Supportive comments are the Ferrari, nasty comments are the shit box and the people commenting are the drivers except nobody here is Clarkson, Hammond or May
He needs to pause before he starts talking over the video he’s watching. Nothing more annoying than 2 loud voices clashing over one another. It makes it hard to understand either one.
World release , there wouldn't be any race. Eco are just better players. Kinda funny to listen to Max's ego shouting from teh rooftops, despite the fact they are in this situation mostly because of Method's rape fiasco. Its really funny, what would be his excute for next world first ? We didn't invest enough money ? They actually did invest way more money than Echo, btw. I would honestly think, liquid is a world top4 guild going into the next WF Race, and they would probably have to deal head in head with Method. Also , NA getting to play the game half a day earlier... I mean come on Blizzard its 2022, get your shit together.
thing is, Max wants faster races, because the faster they are the better chance they have or winning it, speacially if it is like castle when they got Sire world 1st after the reset with all the time in the world because Echo didn't had time to do splits
The FF14 thing was a bit stupid, but his content is really cool. I've been an Echo fan for a very long time, but his streams and content is nice. people make mistakes, just let that mistake go...
I mainly watched Scripe and THD throughout the race. I enjoyed the spectacle of watching and the excitement from Echo when they were killing bosses, but, God!, I thought the fights were yawnsome. Designed for the 1% of the 1% of top WoW players. I've never played either Wow or FFXIV (although I do own a lot of FF games), and I have to say I would chose FFXIV if I had to play one. I never tire of watching people play through the story and think the savage and Ultimate fights are real spectacles. Was chuffed ECHO won. I followed Max when he did all the FFXIV savages 'blind'. I took away from that a man who is perhaps a little dishonest, simply because of how many strats he instantly knew. Nar....
As smart as Max is, I still find it hard to take him seriously anymore after the whole "blind savage" debacle. Lost a lot of respect for him after that.
I'm sorry that you're mad that one of the best players in wow intuitively figured out some mechanics before you did. There's no hard evidence that he wasn't blind.
@@Sammysapphira have you actually watched any of the clips? No way all of that was “intuitive”. All it takes is a little common sense to know he was full of shit.
My fav part of Wow world first race, was watching Preach act all excited for a game he hasn't played in 6+ months and thinks the final boss is a joke. Then when he's off air there he goes and streams FF14
Race to first or not, I only watched Echo and scripe because of how much fun they had in the FF14 raids. Max and 'elephant herd' just playing p1~4s like a wow andy just made me puke. I'm so glad team Echo got the jailer first.
For the love of god, make tournaments realms with "overtuned" version of bosses to bash their heads in and let the "normal" mythic raiders have the version of the boss that we usually have the last month before the next raid comes out. Their whole system of gradually nerfing raids and fixing mechanics feels so bad and is one of the reason I quit raiding and then later WoW in general. Less than 1% of player even get cutting edge and even those players never see the original bosses....
To be fair the ranking of world # (world 1000, 500, etc.) is also fun. It's nice to try and push towards a harder version of bosses while still feeling like CE is accessible even with how bad we/the-group-I'm-in currently is. I get that that's the 1% of the player base but... Pushing for something is fun, if the jump is "okay you either do this version that's as easy as we'll allow" or "go try world first bosses" feels steep.
Well you got it right I am/was a Liquid fan. going back and forth about it in my mind. But disappointed is what I sprinkle on my eggs for breakfast when compared to how pissed I am at Liquid. These guys make more than I do at my job playing this game. They are skilled and knowledge about raiding and classes beyond me. I really wish I was on their level, but I'm not afraid to admit i'm far from it. These guys are suppose to be the best of our region. We cheer for them and wish we could be there doing what they are doing. And they Quit. Sugarcoat it how ever it helps you sleep at night. But they Quit. Sean Connery said it best in The Rock. "Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and F*ck the prom queen." Sigh, I'm a Houston Texans fan in American Football, so I'm just a straight up glutton for punishment and disappointment. So chances are I'll cool down and cheer them on next time, but I have to get there. Right now i'd rather punch everyone of them in the face then shake their hands.
Sorry to say but this was unwatchable. You can't react to a video and then constantly talk over it. Very short comments may be fine but for anything longer than 2-3 words you need to pausethe original video.
watched the vod and was extremely sad to see the toxicity towards max and everything he said, was not really used to this after the near decade of watching preach. I understand eu/na thing and am not entirely sure the ff14 drama, didnt see it live but from i understand a video was made showing that max could not have been doing blind progression and only showed clips whereas the other side argues contectually in max's stream every thing he did was in line with being blind, don't really see the problem and its left up to interreptation but even it is true seems like its mostly being used as an excuse to bash on the guy when hes answering Q&A for the community and explaining their entire experience and should be commended for speaking pretty calmly and reflectively when his guild lost after a months long race. Really sad to see that I don't think max/preach can do any content together after what max said on stream. I loved seeing the post RWF roundtable preach hosted and it seems after community sentiment and eu players/fans actions that i doubt it will happen which really sucks because I don't really care about any fandom or side but love the competition and thought both guilds played insanely well at different points and all the players should be proud. Really sad about the negativity was extremely jarring after seeing so many positive community interactions the pg community has had during ff14 :(
watching splits is like if you went to watch a sports game, and you had to watch them stretch and run some random drills for 12 hours before the game starts
Lol true
what is splits for a non wow player?
@@gonis Doing the raid on a lower difficulty for gear
I enjoy watching my fav players do hero boss we haven’t even started trying lol but like all day is too much I agree
The casters and production team made Echo's stream so enjoyable to watch.
Liquid's caster team were actually great as well, I watched lots of both streams. But Preach & Dratnos are the best in the biz imo.
Agreed, echo casters were amazing. The limit crasters seemed OK but the time difference made it awkward to watch for me
Preach, I really like this content. In the future can you please be more consistent when pausing when commenting on the video? Its very distracting and difficult to hear when you and the video are the same volume and the two are talking at the same time.
This.
For more viewers, while Preach was on: I watch most of the race starting from around noon. And for me it felt like i saw Preach and Alex the most. Not because i only tuned in, when they both where on, but because they where on in the timeframe, that was the best for EU viewers. But whenever I saw someone eals casting, I did not feel as if they where secon rated casters or anything. I realy did enjoy all of the casters.
I definitely looked when Mike or Alex was hosting and watched them. But mostly because i knew them from older days. The other casters were also enjoyable though.
If you’re gonna react to a video, I would suggest pausing to make commentary. Really hard to understand when there are multiple voices talking over each other.
5:00 Yeah, it's true. I literally only watched the parts of the race where Preach was casting, I don't care about WoW anymore, I watched 'cause Mike's entertaining.
I subscribe to Max and Mike, but tbh I would watch Echo when Mike was casting and then switch to Max for the rest of the day
@@katiejosef8426 yeah, same.
@@katiejosef8426 literally me during all rwf
The viewership dipped during Jailer until it got close, then it spiked as high as it typically does when an endboss is close to falling. I think Max was completely right on the brand change, I absolutely click the recommended list or whatever more than following a channel when I am like a secondary watcher.
I have to say also that Echo's team clicked better than I've ever seen a casting team prior from WF... no shade towards any caster previous but just the combination just worked so well for you people.
I would love if preach did another race round table like he did before I loved watching those to see the disscussion between the teams
I watched a LOT of this tace and not even joking the preach effect is real.
Edit: the liquid stream was ok overall, but their highlight for me was the moments of all female casters and how much sinergy they had and made it close to preach and co.
I tuned in during split runs for both Echo and Liquid. The Echo production were genuinely trying hard to keep the stream entertaining with competitions, giveaways, and promotion codes, even if the split runs were boring to watch. I tuned in to Liquid and the casters were as bored as I was rambling about random topics lol.
that was the most important thing to me, i had the stream as background and it had its moments, checked some of the split streams for liquid and some of the casters sounded like they were held at gun point xD
You should have tuned in to Max’s or another raider’s stream when they were doing trivia during splits. That shit was hilarious.
Pepelaugh couldn't look at guides this time 😂
"Are you sure? I don't know man, maybe this is, like, some niche LB boss that does some weird things man. I say we hold the LB. I say we hold the LB. Are you sure? Do you want to send it? Alright, send it...!! ... ... Wait... wait did it do damage? Oh."
"hold up hold up"
Couldn't RMT to victory either
I really dig the RWF, I just wish they could get rid of all the RMT crap surrounding it. Get rid of the BoEs please for the love of god.
I think Preach underestimates how much he adds to the casting team and how many viewers he brings, he creates such a fun atmosphere even if we're watching Echo's triple digit splits.
If blizz can't realistically test these fights then what's the point? In the end that just means that during the Race, where the most attention possible on the raid is there, is where the beta testing is happening.
Have limit / echo ever said if they would prefer slightly easier/lower tuned fights that work as intended. One upside of that would be that you could simultaneously release all difficulties without PTR, for actual blind progress.
The point is that echo/Liquid and some others are simply way above any tester team. You need to have players on the same level as those to test something that challenges them. It's simply the result of this game being so old and keep becoming harder and harder.
Max in this video said "as long as it's not a fast race" so yea, they would not like lower tuned fights. We had that on Emerald Nightmare and it got finished in a day, before EU could even log in.
@@TheAssirra maybe I’m just stupid, but what is the point in having content(mythic raid) that is being cleared by 1% of wow population at best? Also it’s not being tested and having multiple bugs doesn’t work in it’s favour either. I for one would absolutely have another Emerald Nightmare if it means that it’s being cleared by a substantial amount of players. Who actually gives a fuck if 40 sweaty nerds are gonna whine that it’s not hard enough?
@@ProtossOP For what it's worth, I do think it's fine to design aspirational content. Ideally, the only driving force behind whether content gets made is if the team wants to make it, because what the team wants to make will be their best work.
But for mythic, in practice they aren't releasing their best work. Some fights have unbelievably embarrassing bugs that should not have made it through QA and the amount of nerfing they do for every tier is ridiculous. It's very clear that there is something fundamentally wrong with their process - they have ideas for fights that people love, but they really, really struggle with execution.
I think Blizzard should evaluate what's causing these glaring issues and fix them, but a decade of history says that probably won't happen anytime soon. I know Mike says FF and WoW raiding is completely different and that's why Square Enix is able to release bug-free and well-tuned raids, but I just don't buy it. There is no world where a 25% nerf to a boss's damage should ever be needed, no world where a boss is unintentionally killing pets or cleaving players, no matter how your raid is designed.
They haven't had internal teams capable of beating the top difficulty bosses in progress mode, fair and square, for a long time, maybe ever. There are few people capable on clearing this stuff at RWF pace and RWF gear level and these people most likely participate in RWF. That doesn't mean they can't test the encounters, they just do it with dev tools.
Tuning based on data analysis is fine and has worked for years.
@@ProtossOP Ok, you are completely wrong here. Having easier raids like EN is not going to get more people. It's not the difficulty that is scaring people off. The majority are scared off by the organizing and such, everything but playing basically.
Also, you seen the viewership in this very video? So many more people will see this content now than the the 1% now it's getting streamed over what it used to be. The same people that would have a horrible race (like BoD before Jaina for instance)
Preach diff is a real thing kekw
Eh, I can understand this mindset of "if you aren't first then second doesn't matter" but at the same time, when it was all said and done...the teams that finished ahead of Liquid overall just had a better strategy. They won a marathon because Liquid tried to sprint and fell apart at the end. It diminishes the accomplishments of the 2nd and 3rd place teams when a first-place contender is in such a bad state that they have to stop everything they're doing and recover from fatigue, but the contender says "yeah we could've kept going but decided not to". Second and third place didn't have to stop for so long, did they?
its incredibly disrespectful to Method, Skyline and Pieces
Its sore loser mentality.
every guild used echo strat after the kill. if your boss said ''ok, your done, you can go home and finish the rest of it later'' would you still stay and do it? the gap between top 2 guilds and top 5 is so big that theres nothing disrespectful with saying that. like five(5) people will remember method got world second the moment 10.0 raid is out. thats just how competitive sport goes. or do you remember who placed 2nd or 3rd when usain bolt won olympics?
@@ullakeskinen8895 People who watched this race will absolutely remember that Liquid didn't get second because of the circumstances. In the future people who didn't see the races this expac will see a previous wf guild fall to second and then fifth place and then after some digging find out that they burnt out on the tier and went home when no one else did. That's just how history works.
@@Breadumi other guilds also stopped day raiding beside weekends. Sure it might be said on first tier of next expansion, but does it really matter? If anything liquid gets more attention out of this. We will see on next tier did liquid lose viewers and did method gain viewers. Everyone who follows rwf know it's 2horse race to win and 3horse race to 3rd.
4:54 can confirm, I only watched Echo whenever you and Alex were on and once your shift ended I would switch to Max's PoV. The other casters just don't quite have the strength of personality and natural chemistry that you guys have.
PS: You're downplaying and attributing your impact on viewership down to the scheduling of streams and raiding but consider that your following is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the other casters (apart from Fatboss). There's a reason for that. I think all the casters did a great job even if I personally didn't enjoy them as much as you and Alex, but don't sell yourself short :D
Absolutely agreed. Ex mythic raider here, I LOVE hearing the comms of players in the game, but from the light hearted playful side (Max's stream), but I absolutely left that stream to watch Echo whenever Preach/Alex were on.
Twitch ads killed my viewership. I would have watched most of the race if the Echo stream didn't have ads every 10 minutes
Get an ad blocker plugin for twitch
@@Sammysapphira for phone app?
get twitch turbo
@@fightingblind no shit talk, how do you watch it on a phone? it seems like a horrible experience when TVs and PC's exist. I find it wild how many people watch twitch on phones
@@shalakabooyaka1480 I usually more listen than watch... something to pass the time at work. Without something to keep me sane, soldering the same wires, circuit boards and connectors for a month would drive me nuts :)
pause the video when doing comments >:(
Let's put it this way. I'd rather watch any of the echo casters than liquid ones. I actually started with liquid and had to leave and go to max because they were not my style. But I loved listening to you guys shoot the shit while also being professional. Liquid felt like I was listening to nfl sports casters.
Preach, just a small feedback on the video. It is really hard to listen when you dont pause and just talk over the video. I think you should really pause when you want to say more than a couple of words.
Hard to watch when you keep talking over Max, just pause it more often
Hey noob go watch original vid
I was just coming to the comments to see if the whole video is like this, I can't hear either of them unfortunately.
@@mebrandonb must be deaf then or watch the original video lol
@@omensoffate why would you want to watch the original when you are curious about Preach's thoughts? 😀
@@omensoffate I did watch the original video, I can't hear either of them when they are both talking over each other is what I meant obviously..
I’m NA but find Liquid’s casting extremely hard to stomach, particularly when a certain person is at the desk. I watched Echo’s stream mostly and occasionally tuned in to Scripe but when I wanted to switch to Liquid I went with Max.
Between the bad casting, what I feel is a clumsy rebranding, and Max lying about the FFXIV raids they did not-so-blind; I’ve found myself pulling for Echo.
man watching Max whine this much about the longevity of the race, specially when they were behind, which was 2 days, is kinda of annoying, since that XIV thing i kinda soured a bit to Max too, this one is just the icing, thankfully they all agree with a global release, because hearing him say it is only fun when they are ahead when they are ahead by default is annoying
Max was blind in xiv. He was doing an easy boss and easily spotted the mechanics needed to complete it. Just because one mediocre player makes a terrible video "proving" that max wasn't blind doesn't mean he wasn't blind. Yall are way too gullible. Max is a world class raid leader with years upon years of blind experience. You really think it's weird that he tries random stuff to figure things out?
@@Sammysapphira lol
@@Sammysapphira Yes, there is a whole video about this, many of the top raiders in FFXIV could tell he was lying because it happened so many times that people found a pattern to his bullshit. This is no joke. You also forget that Echo was also blind progging FFXIV and they never had these "genius 300 IQ" moments where they figured the exact meta strat that was refined by the community after hundreds of wipes and successful attempts, in a fucking blind prog scenario, after boosting to a brand new game, skipping years of raiding content.
@@Sammysapphira you are smoking a whole lot of copium if you think they were picking all that up blind. He should of just been honest and said he watched a bit of the bosses or something. It made him look like an idiot.
Holy Hell, I did not think reacting took skill, but please Mike, can you pause and not talk over each other lol.
You can watch the original.
@@omensoffate I clicked on this video to gain another insight of a person that is familiar with this field and knowledge about the process. I did watch Max's original video, thank you.
I agree. It was really annoying to listen to.
Shoutout to Growl/YumTv for great casting as well.
Nothing on the other casters but I loved watching while you casted
I flicked back and forth between the casts for Liquid and Echo depending on what time of day and I think Liquid had the edge in production when it came to overlays etc by a decent margin. Caster wise I'd give a slight edge to Echo but both were very well done.
I loved watching when the god tier casting trio of preach, ok mage and Alex
i watched Echos stream regardless of who the casters were, but pretty sure Preach is the most famous in the european community.
Watched the first 7 minutes but I can't continue. preach constantly talks over max and that would make my brain explode in 47 minutes. Is it like this only at the start or it gets better?
Do you have brain damage
I haven't tuned much into Liquid stream, but Echo one was a great background noise on TV while working during the day. Watched some Max too, but I ended up liking the show format more than PoV.
I only watched Echo when Preach was casting lol.
This isn't a reaction video - it's a Preach talks over Max video. Wish this was done better.
Preach step up your react game! Lol
It's really good publicity a long race to world first loads of people looking at wow so from a PR perspective seems really nice. So why shorten the race?
Preach aint the best reactandy, talking over the vid constantly 😅
Attempted to watch this video but preach talking over max constantly was killing the mojo.
didnt limit kill jaina the same way that liquid killed anduin
lol half of the youtube and twitch comments are shitting on max
I followed echo and scripe, and prefered echo stream because of the insight because i don't play wow. And max channel only pulled ahead when echo stream passed to BDGG because echo was always ahead even when Limit was ahead in the race
I loved all the other casters on echos stream but I did only watch it essentially when u preach were casting.
Never been into watching sports of any kind. If you dont have a horse in the race kinda thing, probably be different if I knew someone on one of the teams.
I only watched when Preach was on..
I love Max and I love Echo... I just wish I liked wow
Same TBH. At least these RFWs are still fun to watch even if you don't play currently.
@@UnwrittenNoise same i dont care what guild wins i just want a good close race. i dont even mind the longer races because thats just more time i can watch since there isnt crap to watch on tv, though 3 weeks races def arent good for the raiders so prob wont be anymore of those
Personally had the echo stream up for hours while at work in the US. Didn’t like the liquid stream at all. Viewership was consistent regardless of who was casting.
Dude, we love ya man and to see you in covering RWF is just mint.
Aw man, I really wanted to see Preach's take on Max's statement a little further in regarding WeakAuras. Likely agreeing with him, but still. WA bloat has gotten real.
Yeah that was the most interesting part of Max's Q&A, since it's such a change for him. It's really good that the high-end WoW guys are (thanks to FF experiences for sure) starting to realize how unfun and unnecessary it is to have the game be designed around WA. I mean, surely it's the worst for them too, as most of us just DL a pacage, MAYBE tweak it a little and go. For them, they need to constantly be updating them in between pulls. Ugh.
wasnt close in terms of the casting teams and their like whats the word like the way they play off each others, echos was bis
Preach now saying it does not matter it is how it was read about the tweet yet he is the biggest spreader of what was read in to that tweet mentioning it several times each and every time he was on screen.
No other caster mentioned it even 25% of the times as preach. And most of those times was on the back off preach mentioning it to them.
Preach is the literal reason it was spread around so much he is patient zero for the people who spread it to other places.
Interesting how that rule applies to others but not yourself preach.
NA Echo fan here. I watched the Liquid stream here and there to check their progress during the race. Their stream seemed more "professional" in terms of explaining things and talking about the game and just the energy. Normally that would be a good thing but actually I preferred Echo's stream and the laid back fun attitude. Even as an Echo fan I'd normally watch Zaelia's stream during the race. But this race I had both on because the Echo stream was so entertaining. There's something about that chill and fun energy that is just so WoW. This isn't CS or other more established esports so the more lighthearted fun content was a really good fit. I love that no matter how big the RWF there's still this fun gamer spirit to all of it. It would be a shame if you guys sat at the desk the whole time being technical about the game for 16 hours a day. The synergy between the casters felt so genuine. Then there's the amazing production team pumping out really great music and recap videos. The most enjoyable RWF production I've seen so far. You guys were amazing!
Preach still playing weeb simulator 14?
I thought that Eternal Palace was so far the best RWF event, just cuz of the chemistry on Method's couch. Preach, Esfand, j.b, Rich and all the other folks were just so much fun. I didn't enjoy any of the Shadowlands events as much.
Anyone with me on this?
i personally think Rich is not a good caster at all
@@joshlyman7059 Imo he doesn't know that much about the game, but idc cuz neither do I. He's entertaining though.
@@AnnihilatorCZ yup it's just personal taste, nothing more than that :)
@@joshlyman7059 Indeed.
Wait, no, everyone must like the same things I do, otherwise fuck them. /s
Did asmon win
funny thing is that echo was the only guild to kill the jailer with 19% regen health lol
all i've learned this race, once again, is that watching Max's stream was incredibly entertaining and funny while watching any echo stream was annoying af since their visible fanbase in chat is unbearably toxic. like sportsfans, almost. and i'm an EU player. and after Gingis roid rage after Liquid killed an obviously bugged anduin fight, i kinda know why.
Obviously if you are only in max chanell u wont see the toxic NA people, they come from both sides believe me. Its the most cringe shit about RWF, just enjoy the fkking ride and know both guilds are a league or two above everyone else
No preach, its just because your an awesome person to watch and listen too. I just didnt watch unless you were casting.
when echo start doing ff's raid i was very skeptical bc of max and his so called "blind prog" and his egotistical streaming persona, but after watching echo guy for sometimes i instantly becomes a fan, end up watching their wfr for a fair bit despite not knowing jackshit about wow, and also bc of preach's god-tier casting too.
Why are you saying echo and max? They are different teams both in WoW and FF.
@@TheAssirra sr for my wording, what i meant is max and his team limit do it first before echo enter the scene.
Wtf with that "blind runs" hate anyway . I did tried out ff14 and also had to read on every single guide before setting foot into any dungeon and raid , or else facing the fear of me fuck up the group leading to wipe.
@@timjack4650 you know what, you're absolutely right about that, nobody should care about it but also nobody likes a liar, it's that simple and there's nothing more to it.
@@timjack4650 both guilds agreed to do the raids in FF blind, and liquid didn’t and then lied about it, making the competition ingenuous. That’s what people were upset about.
I've never really liked Max but this interview makes me like him more lol
Sadly despite preach being on echo's stream I just can't watch it due to the whole Josh incident.
Edit: Yes I'm aware it was 'method' and almost all those people left and just left and made echo.
JB needs to never cast a race
Keep his Druid QQ away from it
Its highly suspect how Max's stream viewership spikes from 2k to 40k during the WFR. His twitch chat is dead as fuck, even rogerbrown's 2k viewer chat was more active
Why would anyone watch him repeat what the weakaura and the raidleader is saying ?
Max needs to be a bit more subtle about the viewbotting next time, too many people have caught on this from castle nathria
he has it in submode only tho
Good excuse to watch Max's video again!
Max is a liar. Stop giving him airtime
This. 100% this. Even his biggest competition from EU and NA laugh at him cause he has made some stupid things lately. It was funny to read Chinese WoW forums and they were constantly laughing at Max's expense
@@ericflower6513 Can you elaborate on this? Genuine question, would like to hear more if there is something to it.
@@EpicKillstreak when he and his team came to ff14 he stated that their endgame prog was 100% blind. However, there is plenty of evidence that he watched guides given the strats that he'd "recommend" or "guess" based on almost no known signaling.
Honestly, I don't think anyone would have cared if he didn't claim that the prog was blind. The content is years old when they tried it. But, he claimed blind and it wasn't. Dude is a liar and doesn't deserve the clicks.
@@gtetrakai why i dont watch him anymore. its like, what's the point of watching him if he's going to just lie about it anyway? used to have respect for the guy as a player. not so much anymore
@@gtetrakai Oh that's interesting, didn't know about that one. I couldn't imagine why he would to that though, seem like a very cheap way to boost your own ego for little to no benefit.
Cheatingway AKA Mrnig4000 AKA Liquit Max AKA Nig AKA The Trickster of Bangladesh is the whole reason Limit crumbled under pressure and his Q&A is merely for damage control.
How is a content creator as good as preach not understand how to not talk over someone. Either do better at sound mixing/volume management or full pause a video like asmon. Trash video for production value. Good video for hearing more perspectives on a niche portion of the community. Great race this tier guys. Preach>Ratnose>Cams>LiterallyEveryOtherCaster>GreatPacificGarbageIsland>TwitchChatUA-camCommentors
Max is so annoying it's beyond anything I can stomach. He is the person that keeps saying that global release doesn't matter, since "they beta test bosses" and "the other races were always really close". Buddy, if the other team starts half a day later and it's still close, that doesn't mean that it's fair. It means that you wouldn't stand a chance with a global release.
Another thing about him saying the g.release doesn't matter; "Being behind is extreeeemely mentally taxing". This is what EU has to deal with EVERY SINGLE RACE. Other guilds raided for longer, harder and weren't burnt out. Watching the Liquid streams was hard, since they were just goofing around constantly.
Also huge disrespect from him towards Method, Pieces and other top 5 guilds. No, it's not winning or losing just because you gave up. I feel like this was a strategic decision and didn't want to "lose" but "win by putting mental health first", which is a straight hit with the NA crowd. It must have left a sour taste in EU's mouth by Liquid just giving up and not atleast wait untill Echo kills it to call it quits.
It's always the same with him, he is so high on smelling his own farts that anything that comes close to bursting his bubble he starts fabricating stories, excuses etc.
That's an overly simplistic perspective. It's an absolute fact that the European team gains the benefit of learning from all the mistakes the US team makes and can then approach the boss with those lessons learned and ZERO fatigue for having learned them.
Why look for the first reason to dislike somebody and race to the comment section to make sure everybody knows that you disapprove of them or their actions as if some you’re some sort of paragon of virtue yourself?
“You’re talking over Max!” - it’s a long video as he said in the beginning and Mike wants to get through it efficiently to keep his own schedule. Makes logical sense
“Max lied about blind progression” - Even if he did you’d be lying if you said you’ve done otherwise. Politicians lie nonstop and you re-elect them so stop pretending that matters.
“Disrespectful to 3rd - 5th” - Its a two horse race to world ‘first’ so if ‘first’ is your criteria for success and you miss your mark then why continue to push the team harder than you already have? The other teams will finish in the order they would have it’ll just be +/- 1 depending on when Liquid would kill it. The race those guilds ran is not effected by Liquid’s decision as they’re still the same in terms of capability relative to the top two as they always were.
“Quit before Echo got the kill” - People would say shit regardless of when a guild stopped. Echo’s officers said they’d have done the same in the reverse situation confirming the two guilds are of the exact same mentality when it comes to the race and the health of the players.
People act as if Mike, Max, Liquid or Echo should hold them in high regard when you’re just text on a screen. The truth; you support them and they’ll appreciate the comment, if not then the nasty comments mean jack shit to them.
You appreciate the Ferrari, turn away from the shit box and don’t really care either away about who is driving (excluding the Holy Trinity of Clarkson, Hammond & May).
Supportive comments are the Ferrari, nasty comments are the shit box and the people commenting are the drivers except nobody here is Clarkson, Hammond or May
im shocked Max gets so many viewers considering how unlikable he is, im also shocked Liquid is ok with Max hogging all their viewers
what a dumb take
He needs to pause before he starts talking over the video he’s watching. Nothing more annoying than 2 loud voices clashing over one another. It makes it hard to understand either one.
Wfr definitley not for me
Does limit max still do blind prog?
The fact that you have to tell your viewers to "stop shaming on Max" is very telling.
It was to much for me to follow im a dota 2 player and I cant get into this style of tournament.
World release , there wouldn't be any race. Eco are just better players. Kinda funny to listen to Max's ego shouting from teh rooftops, despite the fact they are in this situation mostly because of Method's rape fiasco.
Its really funny, what would be his excute for next world first ? We didn't invest enough money ? They actually did invest way more money than Echo, btw.
I would honestly think, liquid is a world top4 guild going into the next WF Race, and they would probably have to deal head in head with Method.
Also , NA getting to play the game half a day earlier... I mean come on Blizzard its 2022, get your shit together.
thing is, Max wants faster races, because the faster they are the better chance they have or winning it, speacially if it is like castle when they got Sire world 1st after the reset with all the time in the world because Echo didn't had time to do splits
@@freakindamnshiki short race, reset killable. "real race"
Limit have beaten method by over 16 hours before. It has happened many times on lots of bosses. You're huffing copium
@@Sammysapphirathe best limit was able to beat echo, as 16h and 26 min in castle Nathria... So a full reclear and 26 min, shush
@@Sammysapphira eu copium called - reality
Seriously can't stand maximum, especially after the whole claiming to blind raid in FF14 when he clearly wasn't doing it blind
The FF14 thing was a bit stupid, but his content is really cool. I've been an Echo fan for a very long time, but his streams and content is nice. people make mistakes, just let that mistake go...
@@sinamf5890 Good for you that you find his content "nice" but each of us are allowed to have our own opinions.
@@skyridersilvermoon8240 of course. you are allowed to not like him. If it came out like I was saying your opinion is "wrong", I apologise.
@@skyridersilvermoon8240 go a away ff14 Karen
I mainly watched Scripe and THD throughout the race. I enjoyed the spectacle of watching and the excitement from Echo when they were killing bosses, but, God!, I thought the fights were yawnsome. Designed for the 1% of the 1% of top WoW players. I've never played either Wow or FFXIV (although I do own a lot of FF games), and I have to say I would chose FFXIV if I had to play one. I never tire of watching people play through the story and think the savage and Ultimate fights are real spectacles. Was chuffed ECHO won. I followed Max when he did all the FFXIV savages 'blind'. I took away from that a man who is perhaps a little dishonest, simply because of how many strats he instantly knew. Nar....
As smart as Max is, I still find it hard to take him seriously anymore after the whole "blind savage" debacle. Lost a lot of respect for him after that.
I'm sorry that you're mad that one of the best players in wow intuitively figured out some mechanics before you did.
There's no hard evidence that he wasn't blind.
@@Sammysapphira have you actually watched any of the clips? No way all of that was “intuitive”. All it takes is a little common sense to know he was full of shit.
@@Sammysapphira The same guy who was dead silent letting his dps raid lead the current tier because he couldnt look up a guide LUL.
My fav part of Wow world first race, was watching Preach act all excited for a game he hasn't played in 6+ months and thinks the final boss is a joke. Then when he's off air there he goes and streams FF14
It's not an act though. He mentioned multiple times while he dislikes the game nothing compares to the race of world first atmosphere.
Race to first or not, I only watched Echo and scripe because of how much fun they had in the FF14 raids. Max and 'elephant herd' just playing p1~4s like a wow andy just made me puke. I'm so glad team Echo got the jailer first.
Second
Hey noob watch the original vid
For the love of god, make tournaments realms with "overtuned" version of bosses to bash their heads in and let the "normal" mythic raiders have the version of the boss that we usually have the last month before the next raid comes out. Their whole system of gradually nerfing raids and fixing mechanics feels so bad and is one of the reason I quit raiding and then later WoW in general. Less than 1% of player even get cutting edge and even those players never see the original bosses....
To be fair the ranking of world # (world 1000, 500, etc.) is also fun. It's nice to try and push towards a harder version of bosses while still feeling like CE is accessible even with how bad we/the-group-I'm-in currently is. I get that that's the 1% of the player base but...
Pushing for something is fun, if the jump is "okay you either do this version that's as easy as we'll allow" or "go try world first bosses" feels steep.
Well you got it right I am/was a Liquid fan. going back and forth about it in my mind. But disappointed is what I sprinkle on my eggs for breakfast when compared to how pissed I am at Liquid. These guys make more than I do at my job playing this game. They are skilled and knowledge about raiding and classes beyond me. I really wish I was on their level, but I'm not afraid to admit i'm far from it. These guys are suppose to be the best of our region. We cheer for them and wish we could be there doing what they are doing.
And they Quit. Sugarcoat it how ever it helps you sleep at night. But they Quit. Sean Connery said it best in The Rock. "Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and F*ck the prom queen."
Sigh, I'm a Houston Texans fan in American Football, so I'm just a straight up glutton for punishment and disappointment. So chances are I'll cool down and cheer them on next time, but I have to get there. Right now i'd rather punch everyone of them in the face then shake their hands.
One day they are just going to make an unkillable boss and patch it on week 4 cuz they don't play the game even to test it.
WoW still does not have global patch release at the same time right?
No and hopefully never will. The release of a patch shouldn’t be based around 4 guilds.
@@keithb6344 lol, not sure why you'd hope for it when it probably wouldn't affect you but ok
Sorry to say but this was unwatchable. You can't react to a video and then constantly talk over it. Very short comments may be fine but for anything longer than 2-3 words you need to pausethe original video.
watched the vod and was extremely sad to see the toxicity towards max and everything he said, was not really used to this after the near decade of watching preach. I understand eu/na thing and am not entirely sure the ff14 drama, didnt see it live but from i understand a video was made showing that max could not have been doing blind progression and only showed clips whereas the other side argues contectually in max's stream every thing he did was in line with being blind, don't really see the problem and its left up to interreptation but even it is true seems like its mostly being used as an excuse to bash on the guy when hes answering Q&A for the community and explaining their entire experience and should be commended for speaking pretty calmly and reflectively when his guild lost after a months long race. Really sad to see that I don't think max/preach can do any content together after what max said on stream. I loved seeing the post RWF roundtable preach hosted and it seems after community sentiment and eu players/fans actions that i doubt it will happen which really sucks because I don't really care about any fandom or side but love the competition and thought both guilds played insanely well at different points and all the players should be proud. Really sad about the negativity was extremely jarring after seeing so many positive community interactions the pg community has had during ff14 :(