When I see those ads I get insulted and don't bother with their games. But I only play Marvel Snap and Slay the Spire on mobile. Anything else is on a Steam Deck
The weird thing about those ads is that for some people, they fall for it. But for many others, it does the opposite because the way they fail is so obvious it feels like an insult to one's intelligence. I was more inclined to play the games that show people doing well or actually beating the level instead of the whole "Oh no, I am so slow at clicking or doing the right thing.
There was this 1 game called warpath and to be fair most of the adverts show gameplay… kinda. But one of the ads had a guy saying something along the lines of “Wow! So warpath is completley free to play? With no pay to win whatsoever? That’s amazing!” Yea the game is basically a watered down rise of kingdoms lmao
I personally knew a woman who had spent $79,000+ on a mobile game. She did not look like the kind of person you'd expect, pretty, petite, healthy, but addicted. She also had an unexpected job, as a health director of a major hospital xD.
I have reported a lot of ads that say that the biggest bank in my country is selling stocks and the dividend is almost double what you pay, haven't click it but pretty sure is just a fake app that "sells stocks" but it's completely false, just recently a close older person saw the ads for "forex and bitcoin" and spend 200 USD and the fees for transaction were 70 USD, the app did the transactions for you and he lost 90% of his money in minutes and he got a call to put other 500 USD to take out the last 10% but he got mad and told them that he was going to sue them and they ignored him, btw 200 USD in my country is almost the minimum salary so you can get what he lost
I reported a blatant facebook false advertising scam where you can buy your own star and name it. Stars all ready have official names recognized globally so it was total BS. Facebook replied that the advertiser was doing nothing wrong. The people running the adds could just take people's money, and just send the customer a piece of paper. Genius scam.
And only then are you allowed to click an X to close it. If you're lucky. Or it breaks and forces you to open the app store with the game on it cuz the X is so damn small.
Not to mention straight up stealing gameplay from other video games meanwhile the actual game is just a cheap 2d game you can't even play on tilt that's straight up graphics and sounds from a Motorola flip phone game
I checked this Evony game on Google play store, and You should too. It shows NOTHING about the real game. The avatar, and 5 out of 5 game pictures are about this fake minigame. It has 100+ mln downloads, 3.9 score. Looking into the comments, there are some 1/5 reviews saying that the game is different than in the ads, to which the company responds: "We assure you, the content in our game matches our advertisements. Keep playing and exploring - there's a lot to discover. If you stop too soon, you might miss out on some exciting aspects of the game." This is insanity. How is this legal?
Most people do not even realize Evony is a game that came out almost 20 years ago. It was a web base game I use to play back when I was 18, I am 35 now.
I played that on my pc with an amd duron 800 mhz processor. Had to connect to another player with an ip address. This is nothing at all like the original evony and it pisses me off.
I recall Evony back in like 2009, early 2010s used to have seductive, busty women in lingerie or a model as an ad, with the description of, "Play Now!" / "Play for Free!" / "Save the Queen!" / "Come Play, My Lord" / "Free Forever" I remember because these ads were everywhere back then, I used to play Flash games for fun, and would see these sorts of ads for Evony and Evony clone games veryyy often.
He is right about not playing these games being the solution. I stopped installing mobile games that don't respect the customer and I don't let my son have them on his phone either.
Yeah people got mad when he says don't do alcohol or drugs if you don't want to get addicted or stop doing them if you are but it is that simple..as a former addict I can tell you the solution is simple but it was still hard to do.
Sûre but his dismissing of real condition as easy is disrespectful…if it were that easy addiction wouldn’t exist. Some people are more prone to it than other why? I don’t know probably so genetically or brain things and just saying well don’t do it bro is fucking stupid coming from someone who got an easy life. It’s like saying to starving kid in Africa « well just eat bro »
@@ikasuki1 he literally says it might be hard to do, but the solution is simple. But that does not change the fact that its still you doing it and you dont seek help once you notice, but first let it go out of hand. And yes there are many reasons why they do it, thats why its hard. But dont say others made you do it. Its not them deciding, they are just there to appeal
Alcoholic here. I think it's true that some people have a prediliction for addiction, whether by nature or nurture but it 100% runs in families. I've been to too many rehabs and too many groups not to have noticed it. Further, it has become obvious to me that some people just find it harder not to get addicted to their vice of choice. It's something non addicts just don't seem to get, and it's why group leaders should always be addicts themselves. However, it is still 100% a choice. Nobody EVER forced me to drink and I have never once blamed the people selling me alcohol. Whenever I was lying in hospital from overdose or withdrawal, I only thought ever thought "God, I'm such an idiot". I never thought "those damn companies out there selling alcohol, REEE!"
The problem for gamers is more like this: With Alcohol that you buy, you probably enhance the alcohol marketplace and the brands that u buy. But its alc... With videogames is like: PC games and 1 Time to pay games are like our holy sanctionary But with whales paying so many shit companys for this garbage money, the other smaller "Good" intention video game artists and companys are going to drown
@@RipOfflineAudio what do you think their physical or mental dependance of alcohol makes them treat alcohol as? addiction is a love/hate kind of thing, friend. If you'd play a little less games you'd probably have gotten to meet alcoholics/addicts who worship their poison so many times harder than you do your games. Or at the very least, you'd have seen that there's more than 1 way to treat anything like a holy sanctuary. be it drugs, alcohol, gaming, whatever. I fail to see the point you are trying to make, too. shouldn't the studio and publisher, ideally, use the money they are paid of off sales to enhance the game marketplace and their brand? Or dare I say, ideally, ANY kind of for-profit organization should be using their earnings on bettering their brand? I'm assuming I'm missing your point, otherwise I'd say your comment is a slight bit out of touch with the reality and 'conversation' you jumped in on.
its been proved by science and neuroscience that theres no such a thign as choice , everythign is the result of the past ,adn what happened to your brain before
@@Chasodey I don't have an ad blocker, never have, and yet for months, UA-cam prevents me from watching videos saying I have one. It's maddening. Only by refreshing a dozen times will it eventually play.
I used to work for a mobile game company, there was a whale who'd contact support every year around tax season asking for a refund because "Their child bought everything without their permission over the year", every year... And managment would actually refund them....
My wife is an avid Pokemon Go player and joins Facebook groups, Reddit Groups and other forums regarding Pokemon Go. She regularly sees people admit they spend $1000s into the game on a monthly basis and with a yearly event just passing, people burn up even more money on whatever. Utter Ridiculousness.
You know, reading this post, it makes me realize that Pokemon Go is the ONLY phone game that I do not regret spending money on when I was younger. Spending is actually optional, It's a complete game, it gets you out of the house, it gets you socializing with others, and it's pure nostalgia. I am ashamed to admit that I spent money on any of the other phone games, but looking back, I guess I was addicted. Wasn't much else for me to do at the time, working 12 hour days with crazy hours. I downright refuse to play any games with microtransactions that are not PURELY cosmetic now, so at least I gained wisdom from the experiences.
This kind of advertising is literally the entire premise for "bait and switch" laws. The only question is if since its free, does it still violate any laws? It probably should, as there is an opportunity cost beyond financial costs.
Proving a loss of time is almost never really going to get you anywhere legally/compensation wise, especially when the games have some portion or version of the ad in the game You'd have to then prosecute anyone that showed a portion of their game in an ad that wasn't part of the "main game", and then you'd need to define what the "main game" legally is, haha
@@ninjablade2 I think roughly defining general genres could be a start. If 90% of the gameplay loop consists of base building but they show a "slide-shooter" in the ad and completely miss the base building aspect, then it should be fake advertisement
companies have a lawyer likely go over the laws and figure out how to skim enough to avoid the laws without doing the actual work. Cause a barrel game or the like will eventually not be spent upon cause eventually you run out of scam skins to put out and those games normally are abandonware just a year out of their box. Though lots of games end up like this.
Also the most irritating part is how these scam games end up at the top of the app stores I guess its cause of the download amounts. Still wish they got labbled with a tag you could filter out
Yeah and we all see how well that worked for other addictive substances. That's the whole reason that all that anti-drug crap I saw in school didn't work. All they ever try to show is an example is worst case scenarios. They say your people die or people end up in prison. But for most that's not what happens. Death in prison is a rarity compared to those who don't die and don't go to prison. But they should have done is instead of that nonsense is show one of those documentaries that follows around some addict for a week so you can see how they live. Just saying that drugs are bad people die that's so abstract especially for kids. Showing them live people that are actually suffering I feel would be far more effective. And also realizing that addiction is often a way for people to self-medicate. Which means there is an underlying problem that needs to be addressed. And to teach kids that if you're feeling bad about something or depressed or just that something's not right talk to somebody. And teaching kids to accept each other and themselves as they are. There is so much more important stuff in the world to deal with than worrying about what brand of shirt someone wore or what their face looks like or how big their butt is. I mean it just amazes me that that's literally not a class in school that existed or may not even exist now that is mandatory. A class that you get really early on and that's about how to be a respectful understanding and empathetic human being. Basically teaching children how to be decent to each other.
I find myself watching the barrel-shooty ad way longer than I should. Could have clicked it off 5 seconds in but they designed it in a way that mesmerizes me and draws me in. It’s kinda scary, I have to snap myself out of it. My brain might just be rotted though idk
I think what infuriates me is that they play so badly, that sometimes I get curious that I can play that better. But yeah I feel you in watching a bit longer.
What I find funny about these fake ads is when you have 5-6 different content creators commenting on their "gameplay" of it and it's the same gameplay loop for all of them.
"Whoa how did you get all those cool characters!" "Well you see I just used code IMASUCKER so I could get hundreds of free rolls. I pulled the mythical hero YouGotScammed of House GiveUsAllYourMoney!" "Oh Wow!" "Use your resources to build your kingdom and trample your enemies!" How many ads did I just hit with this one?
im wondering often also if the content creators are actually promoting the app or if they just ripped some video part of them and dub over or something as a lot of time the lips don’t match the words said
Nowadays if a game I downloaded gives me an unprompted full screen ad I just uninstall. to me the worst thing is that ads are being triple dipped, you have to close it 3 times every time, in the end that's the same, if not worse than a 30 seconds unskipable ad
The thing is you also get bombarded by these ads while you're "doomscrolling" on your phone, and it happened to many times that I "fat fingered" the display and clicked the ad.
I notice when you search for something or go to a new page itll take the ad like 1 second to appear and it always replaces the first result so as your finger is already enroute to select the first result BOOM it takes you to a purchase screen with everything prefilled.
As a game developer myself I just can't get myself to spend money on things like that. I know someone sat there in the office and purposely put in an obnoxious waiting mechanic, and artificially set a variable to $15 to buy the gems or whatever to skip it. Why deal with that shit when you could just go and play a real, not obnoxious game.
One thing he didn't touch on is the social dynamics. You are put on a team and teams with bigger whales are coming over and destroying your shit. You wanna help defend or avenge your team but that requires you to upgrade your weapon/character whatever. The team with the most whales / money spent wins or gets to control the server. There's a lot of power dynamics and politics. For people who are competitive, this is where they start milking the $$. Really reflects the real world. US has the biggest weapons and basically has the say over the world economy.
The industry is in such a sad state. I remember being shocked at Game Developers Conference in San Francisco, where every single mobile game dev panel was about ways to make the game as painful as possible to force people to buy stuff in your game. And how they essentially figure out how your brain works, make you addicted to the game to a certain degree to monetize you even harder.
Ya when mobile games started to come out in the early 2010s I was baffled by what they were... I was expecting full games like a psp that cost like $5-20 and you own it. Very few of those games ever came out so I have up on mobile games. Candy crush with it's bullshit "play 5 lives and then wait 24hrs" bullshit or pay money to continue. I remember I would modify the clock on the phone by a day to continue to play for free the same day.
@@DerDudelino Funny thing is you're generally listening to the midwits of the industry blowing hot air about how smert they are, the gigantic titles from the Far East use maybe half the tricks they could, because they understand that their customers aren't stupid and will recognise an obvious money pit.
Or the ones talking about owning land in a game and making real money on it. I just specifically hate the guy who brags about now his landlord pays him. 😂 and they payout in crypto.
I dont know how is it in the USA, I'm from south america and on top of all that has been mentioned I have seen many, MANY times ads of "bussineses" or "trade schools" and the like, that 99% of the time end up being pyramid schemes.
I once saw one with a deep fake andrew tate. It was trying to talk how it thinks he would talk. It was like "what's up you disgusting poors, do you wanna be less disgusting in poor? The government of a country im not from and i dont live in is giving away money" Ok i added the last part, but its just funny to me the logical dissonance required to believe Tate is advertising for the US government.
Evony/Civony have been doing misleading ads for fifteen years, makes me feel old I remember them starting out just making stupid little ads insinuating there was adult content in it lol
2009, early 2010s Evony ad with often a CGI seductive, BUSTY woman in lingerie or a model: "Play Now!" / "Play for Free!" / "Save the Queen!" / "Come Play, My Lord" / "Free Forever" Yeah, I remember seeing those sorts of ads everywhere back then, because I used to play F2P Flash games in the late 2000s and early 2010s, legit saw these ads everywhere, and they're still fooling people today 15 years later... xD And I STILL see these Evony ads on YT... They never left! Ooooof
Not a dumb take just a bad one. It’s an over-simplification of how addiction works. It’s why addiction is classified as a disease. Because they can’t “just stop” otherwise it wouldn’t be an addiction. A lot of it is psychological and they need help to quit. These game developers know this and choose to pray on addicts. It’s easy to not drink once you’ve quit but it’s near impossible to quit once you’re addicted and for people who are predisposed to addiction it’s hard to tell where a habit ends and an addiction begins, before it’s too late.
Addiction is extremely hard to quit, but you can still quit. My grandpa smoked tabacco for 20 years but quit cold-turkey when he had my mom. My mom did cocaine for a few years (alongside other drugs) for a few years but quit immediately upon being pregnant with me. I did drugs, tabacco, alcohol, and weed but quit everything when I saw how it was ruining my life. It was VERY hard. I thought at times it might be easier to die than to quit. Even now after 10 years I sometimes wake up longing for a smoke or drink, but don’t allow it for myself. It’s HARD to break addiction. But it’s possible. You just need to suck it up and stop.
In fact you can "Just Stop"... I have an addictive personality, addiction comes VERY easy to me. But when its time to quit, that is what you do, you "Just Stop"...
He's seems to ignore the fact that they are making a science out of how to manipulate people into being their cash cow, instead of, you know, making a great original game.
A lot of people are so close minded that they think their reality of doing something should be as easy for someone else as it was for them. And ego too big to only give credit to their 'self discipline' efforts instead of just being born with more favorable genetics to not be addicted to something.
@@Danso_3000 you do realize there are teachers from non-English-speaking countries that also don't teach English and English is like their 2nd or 3rd language, right?
there should be a law that video games ads have to show real time gameplay footages and they have to clearly label which part of the ad is real gameplay.
Evony absolutely does. I tried the game out and the barrel thing with guns is part of it. I'm not defending the game, I just hate it when people don't check out these kinds of things. One of the first things you do in that game is go play that (the controls suck though).
The games with those ads legally HAVE to have that as part of the game otherwise it gets taken down off the store because of false advertising(assuming they're not in the US) or get sued. The issue is that the section in the ad is such a small part of the game that it feels like false advertising
Ads are for normies that don't know how badly their time is being wasted. They are basically modern day popups. You are either wealthy enough to avoid them with premiums, or you are savey enough to navigate around them with a blocker. I don't negotiate with terrorists, so I choose the latter.
My biggest gripe with some of these game producers is the fact that the fake game they produce for an AD is better than their actual game. I can’t even count the amount of games I’ve deleted within five minutes.
Unfortunately that's their goal... Whales would dry up a lot faster if they didn't keep getting dopamine hits from beating new players (like you) immediately after spending money. They either get a whale or they get someone for the whale to beat.
I actually played evony as a kid. It was originally called civony and then changed to evony. It has ALWAYS been plagued by predatory monitization. Like, it was bad by todays standards in 2007. To get more cities you needed medals and the drop rates were near undroppable. It was also insanely plagued by bots. My alliance leader had a second alliance with 100 alt accounts he ran with bots to farm resources and send them to his main, and that was standard for most servers. The devs catered to the botters because they were the whales dropping upwards of $5k on a new account when a new server opened. It is absolutely no surprise to me at all that they went on to basically pioneer the fake game ads. Its just a little sad, because i spent countless hours playing that game, if the devs werent money hungry the game wouldve stayed alive for a lot longer
Bro I remember when all the Tribal Wars tribes were talking about Civony being the next big thing... then it kinda just came out as a limp noodle of pay to win.
@@RealEvilLordExdeath nah I took a lot away from grinding a game when I didnt have access to money to even think about buying anything. Like I said, the game was actually good, I thoroughly enjoyed it despite being pissed about not getting any medals. The game gave you a free wheel spin a day, and the thought at the time was saving them until you have 10 or more makes the game give you better drops, thinking you spent money. Never knew if it worked or not, but I did get the medals I needed from the free stuff, but I could've been just insanely lucky. Theres nothing wrong with the progression model if there's no way to spend money, or if they never lowered the drop rates further
Same, I played Evony a lot as a kid. Wasn't as informed as you though. Got to the point where I could farm the npc towns non stop. But never came close to sustaining the 10-20x bigger armies that some people seemed to have. At first I thought they were hacking or something. Eventually joined a semi-active alliance and was educated on what really was going on. Alts and bots. Still enjoyed the game though. I remember stuff like scout bombs.
It ended up playing like a perpetual pac-man game too. Like, the battle strategy itself was ok, but on a larger scale, there was no point to ANY of it. Take a spot, lose a spot, take a spot, lose a spot, for years and years.
The psychology behind those adds is that the player they're watching sucks so bad that people think " i could do better" so they download it. The blatant bad decisions in the add make the viewer want to download it just to prove how easy it is.
Kinda on topic, I remember in high school a college professor came over and addressed numerous jobs you can get as a designer/artist and one of them was a food advertiser. The example they gave was for cereal and they said the cornflakes and milk were literally cardboard and glue. I was thinking the entire time afterwards “isn’t that literally false advertising?”
The first time I ever noticed about mtx was actually from WoW and other similar mmorpg. The idea that people could pay for a game more than its worth was so crazy for me the first time.
These people in ads are all kinds of people, cheap actors, low profile content creators,... Or the worst one, the marketing team uses clips of popular content creators reacting to something else entirely and attach that to their game without permission.
when it comes to addiction, the circumstances are really important in both how disorders are diagnosed and therefore how accountability should be distributed. this is why asmon's take on it at ~23:50 comes across as so absurd to people who are more knowledgeable about these topics. there is a big difference between somebody who becomes addicted to something due to lack of self control and somebody who becomes addicted to something due to an undiagnosed medical disorder that they end up self medicating for. i know the guy isnt a doctor, but because of that fact he should be a little more reserved with his opinion about these things.
the point i agree with asmon here is that its not just a disease. There are elements where addiction is not your fault, but there is a degree that there is.
@@dlanbatal nah Asmon is wrong here, he really cant speak on addiction when he hasnt truly seen what happens to people before and after. I dont wanna see no one saying shit like 'oh just stop doing it' till they had to lock their brother in a room for a week and having to clean that shit up afterwards. Shit is absolutely not that easy
Yeah. It's acceptable to the extent that you believe it's their fault if they fall for it. I think it's just the usual case of life is simpler in black and white and we have our own shades of grey. Remember Asmon talks fondly of memories of ninja looting and then laughs at those who were stupid enough to fall for it. I think that kind of explains his stance here. Also bear in mind he has never tried any form of drug or alcohol, so he has never experienced that type of addiction. On a lot of topics I find his "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" attitude empowering, but in this case it does hit a little different, so I wouldn't take him too seriously.
What makes me mad is that actually good mobile games pretend their game is something different when in reality if they didn't lie and showed off their real game people would probably be more interested.
Tho.. there is this one good mobile game where it basically makes fun of the fake mobile ads gameplay trope.. That Game is My singing monsters.. And at first a first glance when watching their recent ad.. It looks like they went downhill along with "them" But if you managed to watch through until the end.. The fake gameplay is a joke and shows the actual gameplay in the end.
That tactic is part of why so many companies sponsor Northernlion to play games. He's so comically bad that many people purchase the games he's playing to implement the backseating they provided that he ignores.
Here is the problem: this has already happened at least 2-3 years ago if not more. The response of these giant companies who are the first to push these kind of ads was to add minigames inside their bull-shiny games that actually resembled the ads, even though the minigames were not consequential at all most of the times. So that way they were "technically legal"
You can't sue them in general. Because they are not selling you anything. Games a free so if you get tricked by downloading a game like this you are not losing money so there's nothink to sue for. Another thing these companies use is as other commentor said - add a 2 min mini game just like add suggest to clear from legal troubles. Finally the most scummy thing (IMO) is responding to negative reviews in such a scummy way. If you write a review of such game you get a response like: "We want to thank you for informing us abaut this issue, and apoligise! Our marketing team is abit behind so that add is abit outdated. We are sorry abaut this". That! That is the most infuriating thing that can be said to anyone! They are trying to say that the game you saw in add was this game you downloaded, but they changed it over the time into something absurdly diffrent. That is the biggest nonsense that anyone who knows at least a little abaut coding. It's not like I made a wrong turn driving home and I ended up in Paris. It's not possible. Also how your marketing team can be marketing diffrent game???! Don't you have a phone? Can't you send an email? A pigeon? F it! Smoke signals might do it!
to me whats worst than the adds are the people that they put up infront of you saying stupid stuff like "OMG how does this person I'm friends with shop so much when she doesn't make any money!?!?!" then some other person shows up and says "She's playing this game and winning thousands of dollars!!!!" The people who voluntarily choose to peddle this crap are literally the worst type of person. You couldn't pay me enough money to be that dishonest...
in Brazil we're having a huge wave of casino games popping up, started I think two to three years ago with a company called Blaze, not sure it's international or national but their app has tons of minigames you could spend money on, and the ADs featured famous artists, sponsored youtubers here on the platform with millions of followers and even soccer players were sponsored to make an AD about it. they're most likely billionaires now, because the money they offer to famous people is about a couple to tens of millions to a single person and they're not afraid of doubling the payment to make someone agree to their contract terms. we're having now "the little tiger's game" which does what you described, a girl comes out and starts playing it, tell the audience she's earning this much money, shows her account, shows the game rolling and kinda like a money bar filling up showing how much money she's making and it's one of the most famous apps in Brazil right now.
Evony used to be Civony, an online civilisation building game where you got to face against other players playing online, trying to destroy each others towns and become the overlord of the servers. Ogame was another similar game based in space. They used to be actually extremely good, now they've become these total shills. One of the worst parts of the ads is having to press 3-4 times on the close button for a single advert, sometimes making the close button so hidden, so small that it opens their app page.
yoo i actually enjoyed ogame but eventually the devs discovered that they only make money within the first month of a new universe starting so then they just start a new universe every other month so now its impossible to enjoy playing it long term as any time the game actually starts getting good then everyone quits to join a newly started universe.
@@Delantho There used to be a fantasy, middle earth kind of one too with the same style as Ogame that I loved. But yeah, you're totally right, sadly these games have been lost to the abyss of greed.
Today i saw the usual Hero falling from heaven and climbing up game ad but now it had a voiceover "Tired of ads with fake games? I found one that actually real." They know we know and just double down on it!
now i actually want to make real game like in these ads just to see people really want to play it :) it should take few days top (one day if you know what you're doing)
I've seen a mobile game ad with the dude saying something like: "You've seen those fake ads? Well the devs decided to make it real" and proceeds to pretend to play while his hands are up in the air while he's supposedly playing. Not to mention I've seen the exact same "gameplay" clip on several different ads with different people. So tiring.
I'm playing a game right now that shows that ad non stop. I thought the same thing when he pretends to play then immediately starts waving his has about.
Man those people are so cringe, who are these people even? Streamers? How much do they get paid to lie like this? Ive even seen an old woman doing ads for the same game. 😂
A company actually decided to make a compilation based on the fake games called "Yeah! You Want "Those Games," Right? So Here You Go! Now, Let's See You Clear Them!"
I had a co-worker at an older job sit there for a 15-min break playing FATE GO and all he did was drop over 500$ CAD in 15 mins trying to get duplicates of a character to merge them to max out the character. These people are so careless with money or addicted its insane to me to constantly feed gatcha/mobile games.
I watched the ads, download the game, play 5 min and realize it doesnt look anything like the ads before, instance delete and rate 1* plus negative review "fake ass ads"
I checked this Evony game on Google play store. It shows NOTHING about the real game. The avatar, and 5 out of 5 game pictures are about this fake minigame. It has 100+ mln downloads, 3.9 score. Looking into the comments, there are some 1/5 reviews saying that the game is different than in the ads, to which the company responds: "We assure you, the content in our game matches our advertisements. Keep playing and exploring - there's a lot to discover. If you stop too soon, you might miss out on some exciting aspects of the game." They might just respond the same to Your comment This is insanity. How is this legal?
Sadly, this isn't constrained to mobile gaming, I remember continuing to game and spend money because you got extensions to the story or more features. Now, developers are spending three to six months on cosmetics and "bug fixes."
@@joeh858I remember there being some games on Steam that were specifically made to last those 2 hours before the content abruptly ends (like the game would just close mid-level, but not because of a glitch - the devs just made it like that) and that was years ago, so I don't know if it is still common these days.
I know people are fighting about the whole addiction thing so here’s my story. I know it doesn’t match everyone but hopefully it’ll help someone. Addiction is extremely hard to quit, but you can still quit. My grandpa smoked tabacco for 20 years but quit cold-turkey when he had my mom. My mom did cocaine for a few years (alongside other drugs) for a few years but quit immediately upon being pregnant with me. I did drugs, tabacco, alcohol, and weed but quit everything when I saw how it was ruining my life. It was VERY hard. I thought at times it might be easier to die than to quit. Even now after 10 years I sometimes wake up longing for a smoke or drink, but don’t allow it for myself. It’s HARD to break addiction. But it’s possible. You just need to suck it up and stop.
Speaking as an only child raised by a neglectful and emotionally abusive alcoholic, I understand alcohol is an addiction. But I'll never forget the day when I was 13, finally tired of my mums crap. She picked me up from school and I asked why she was still drinking. Her response was: "The doctor told me I can't quit just like that." Which is true, but also a convenient excuse. So that hit home for me. As a child, it was okay to be the quiet smart one, but once I started failing and not living up to expectations, suddenly I'm a fat, worthless failure just like my father. So it's not an excuse.
6:55 I once saw a video that explained why even when they are clearly false advertising, it is not persecuted. In resume was because they don't make you waste money immediately and downloading the game doesn't do any damage to the consumer. By the time those kinds of games ask you for money you have already a couple of hours playing and at that point you are already aware that the game is not the same as the ad and you still chose to pay that money. At that point they are already not "scamming" you.
Addiction is a hell of hole to fall in, its ridiculous that states are so focused on the fight on drugs but simultaneously provide legal ground for gambling and those kinda games and similar
yeah and they didn't do false ads also, and there's no pvp in the game so whales can't crush those who f2p and they can't get butthurt when f2p beats them the guy who spend 70k is just pure simping and i dont blame him for that
can't wait for the the fate/strange fake anime. the main appeal of FGO is the story (fate/) itself, which is something that everybody that likes fate or nasuverse get, not the "gameplay" etc. the game was really meant for a weeb that really like fate / nasuverse (either just anime fan or hardcore Visual novel). i just play the game for the content (story), spend 0 dollars, grinding only for the servant/character i care but man, it kinda feel bad that the game being an easy target just because it's not appealing to general audience.
Caught my nephew and niece wanting to install one of these "games" based on a mobile ad they saw. One explanation later, they just wanted to play on my old Sega Mega Drive 2 instead.
reminder that the streamer DSP regularly spends 10's of thousands monthly on a candy crush esque game with sweaty wrestlers in tights, and begs his viewers for donations to continue the cycle
You can not understand if you are addicted until you decide to stop. I was a WoW addict as well for years. I only understood that I was an addict until I stopped.....
That's called first hand experience. Being an addict or former addict doesn't disqualify you from telling people not to participate in something that you participated in lol
hes so fukkign wrong about it , its infuriation , he has no clue abotu how addiction works , its all about how brai nworks trauma , depressions etc , all this shit about discipline and metnal tough is trash false ideas
Marvel strike Force had a guy spend over $2,000,000 but quit after years of playing when the developer used his name in an in-game advertisement without his consent.
@@Barrythebarnabas What is the player's name? I did searches for "Marvel Strike Force player name in advertisement" and "Marvel Strike Force top spender name in advertisement" plus several variants of those searches with no relevant results.
Someone actually made those games ads show, its released on Steam last year. Name: YEAH! YOU WANT "THOSE GAMES," RIGHT? SO HERE YOU GO! NOW, LET'S SEE YOU CLEAR THEM!
So I am apart of the top ranking guild for a game called "fortress saga" and after this video I polled my guildmates on how much they spent on the game, (since the game tracks this number for you in the app) each player has at least spent 10k, if not more this year. each player. Sumo fort, the guild leader of "founders "and top player in the game, has spent 45,000 this year alone. this just gave me a reality check ngl
because 70% are a weak minded losers, that's why they got addicted in the first place, and Asmon is right on that . I have always been obese, was addicted to eating, but since i turned 19 i started working out, been carefuil over my calories and macro, and now i look fit (like fat- fit if you know what i mean). So yeah, it was very hard, but sometimes oyu just have to take your responsability and think "Well, it wouldn't hjave been that hard if I hadn't been a fat piece of shit in the first place (wich is the only reason i got to this point in my life)" If someone can't do taht, maybe he deserves to be addicted idk
@@fenor1862 ok Andrew tate. Still my point remains valid. Is not easy by any means. Especially with drugs or other things that makes you feel physically and mentally unwell if you skip a dose. There's a reason if, when you quit heroin for example, they give you methadone. We are all addicted to something. It can be something material or an habit. It can be something Dangerous or something pretty much harmless. Calling someone a loser cause he gets addicted, often in a low point in his Life, Is pretty stupid. Asmon Is addicted to his Savage lifestyle and would feel unwell living like a normal and clean person for example.
@fenor1862 thank you!!!! I used to do percs and when it got to a point where i would need to take 2 to feel it. I would stop. Now i havnt done them in 3 years. The people who complain about addiction are the same ones to CHOOSE to get to that point. I will never have any sympathy to the people who CHOSE to do the drug. Now if it was a child who mother did these drugs or forced then thats a entirely diffrent story
It's like when you start joining too many fiestas and drinking a bit too much. Or you lose someone and you start drowning your pain in alcohol. I guess that guy can't comprehend, never went through anything he's yapping about
Here is the real question. Why are they allowed to do these fake ads? Fake/False advertisement is illegal. Sadly the mobile market is completely ignored by many regulating agencies in many countries. Anybody remember the huge fiasco about lootboxes on PC? By that time that predatory shit has been going on for almost a decade on mobile.
Personally I think Asmongold's take on substance abuse is oversimplified and uncompassionate and so is his solution. I.e. at 23:45, maybe he'd like to rephrase this, but saying you chose to be addicted doesn't make sense to me like is he saying you chose to have the cravings or impulses to drink alcohol?
I can't tell you how long I've seen Age of Empires 2 gameplay stolen for a mobile ad for a different game that didn't exist. For years dude. Shit's been going on for a long time and nothing ever happens to them it seems
I very much disagree on people who get addicted on stuff like this being mostly stupid If a company is hiring psychologists to make something as predatory and addicting as they can, they are using (or rather abusing) parts of the human brain to their benefit
While I don’t think it’s okay for those companies to make an attempt at abusing the psychology of the human brain to try and pull people into their games or whatever else they’re advertising, hiring psychologists doesn’t automatically mean everyone is guaranteed to fall for it. Hiring psychologists allows for these things to “tickle” the right part of the brain to manipulate people into downloading their game but realistically only a certain percentile of people actually fall for it. And those percentile of people that do are usually stupid/weak willed/or uneducated about these practices. Most individuals can see these silly game advertisements and know that they’re false advertisements and or recognize the predatory signs and practices being displayed in their ad. Without ever downloading these games I could tell off the bat that the game would not only lack the fundamentals of what the gameplay in the advertisement had shown but also be a cash grab to lure in said stupid/weak willed/uneducated individuals. Again, while it is scummy, hiring psychologists only works on people genuinely stupid enough to fall for it and miss the very blatant obvious signs of a predatory system being displayed to them. Elephant in the room though, I don’t care what anyone says, these games are clearly false advertisements and should be legally banned from being produced in such a manner. On another note, accountability for one’s actions shouldn’t be blatantly ignored to such a drastic degree where one gets to play victim and disregard the steps they willingly took to being a victim of said behaviors in the first place. If people really cared about the addictive issues that arises from misleading addictive ads, or p2w predatory microtransactions and so on so forth then they should also be willing to apply that same logic to the furthest fundamentals of gaming addiction at its core. A LOT of people are addicted to playing video games and a LOT of peoples lives have been ruined because of video games. If we applied the same logic of trying to police and baby proof things that have proven harmful and problematic towards addictive behaviors then there should also be justification in limiting games to only being played for 2 hours a day and shutting off for 24 hours. Suddenly though, something like that seems outrageous to most people, right? But it’s for the greater good of helping those addicted to games. Managing addictive properties in things, especially games seems progressive in helping an issue but there does realistically need to be accountability for one’s actions somewhere along the line. If someone is an alcoholic, should they have to tear down the local liquor store? At what point is the individual responsible for their decisions? Where does that line get crossed? I’m not defending these practices so much and personally I’d like to see them go away but I also can’t stand people never once in their life being able to admit something was their fault or they were too stupid to make a rational decision.
@xCuddleCatx Couldn't have put it better myself. While I agree we should be sympathetic towards ppl who fall for scams like this, the idea that this is being presented as if ppl are victims for consciously and knowingly making poor decisions repeatedly makes me very frustrated. Be accountable for your own actions. Anyone who has struggled with addiction of any kind knows the very first step is accepting and acknowledging that you are the only one responsible for your actions, period.
@@xCuddleCatx Weird pov because we're already doing nothing about this issue because almost universally everyone blames the victim when it comes to f2p crap so where are you coming from with this? Yeah people shouldn't tear down the liquor store because someone is alcoholic but if the same liquor store hands out coupons for a free beer outside the AA meeting people would probably consider that a dick move even though the relapse would technically be the drinker's fault. Yeah people shouldn't stay alcoholic. Yeah people shouldn't waste money on these stupid games. But it's not like allowing people prey on them and ignoring the vulnerable is making this a better place/life/community to live.
My mom (almost retired now) downloaded this Galaxy Shooter game that she enjoyed alot. Its full of ads unless u play it on Airplane mode. So she did. I bought (with real money) a really nice spaceship for her to make the game easier after about a month. Shes still playing the game after 1 year and still uses the ship i bought for her. I even downloaded it myself and always try to stay 1 or 2 levels ahead/below her so that we can enjoy the game together from time to time. I learned that you have to be a SUPER WHALE to keep up with the top players, so I just play it as f2p. I dont regret the 14 dollar i spent for my mom. I never even tell her i bought that ship using real dollars.
7:34 I remember someone saying that they get away with it because who is gonna go after them. The entity that goes after false advertisement has other things to do than go after some mobile game who is just gonna have another 3 clones pop up.
Gacha games and F2P games are how a former coworker of mine got his Bipolar type I diagnosis. His first manic episode, he spent $12k in a month on a crappy mobile city builder. Which works great for these people that make $250k a year... not so great for a dude whose gross household income was $43k. Took him years to pay off, but with the help of Lithium and LOTS of therapy, he no longer plays gacha games.
Yeah man, I definitely fell into one of these at a hard point in my life, Luckily never spent more then I could but still spent a lot. Played it just for escape, but looking back worse decision of my life. But these games are designed to prey or that.
@@bigmatthews666 Tip: Quit that game right now. Do it before its late. Want another perspective regarding that? Here: ALL THE PROGRESS YOU MAKE IN A MOBILE GAME (gacha games, 100% online games like CoD Mobile and PUBG, etc) WILL BE FULLY DELETED AND GONE WHEN SERVERS SHUT DOWN. Meaning all the hours (hundreds or thousands) including ALL the money you spent to make X changes in your game, will be GONE and will NOT be able to access them even for nostalgia sake. So in short: playing mobile games is a waste of time and money, in the end everything will be gone in a 'delete' server button. If you still want to play fully online games, at least games like CoD Mobile, Jetpack Joyride and PUBG can be enjoyed and played 100% without spending a single cent.
I was a small player on Game of Thrones - Winter is coming, and only spend around 10K euro over 3 years. Whales constantly are worshipped as gods, community is EVERYTHING. We had 1,800 players in a discord over 20 large clans, which followed every command to the letter. Most of them free to play, most of them completely supressed and begging for protection against other clans. It's a hero complex that drives people to become whales. (and sometimes a tiran complex). We had rebellions, where busy multi-millionair businessmen would leave their meeting to crush another uprising on their phone. But remember, 100K for them is like 10 dollar for a poor guy, and they get SO much back.
I disagree with the alcohol addiction analogy. I mean, yes, at the end of the day people need to take accountability of their actions - this is 100% correct - but when it comes to these games and fake ads, they are being made with explicit intent of hacking peoples brains to get them addicted. If I were to make an analogy about alcoholism then this behaviour would be like opening up a liquor store outside of a rehab center, finding the time of day that is going to result in the most amount of patients leaving and putting a sale on for that hour. It's predatory.
@@blacky8987 that’s not what I’m saying. Regardless of what they do it is the person’s responsibility for their own actions, for sure. But if that’s only what we say, If we just leave it at that then we are saying it’s okay for terrible underhanded practices to be done and I’m not cool with that, are you?
@@lordsnugglebear yeah I get that 100%, I think what gets me is the underhanded side of having a false ad - because I’m not saying we shouldn’t have liquor ads or gambling ads but if you had say a McDonalds ad and your like hey I want some McDonald’s and your go there and it’s just a liquor store on the inside and not actually a McDonald’s well that’s just a shitty thing for them to do. You may be strong enough to walk out of there, but maybe someone else would only be strong enough to not be tempted by a commercial, but if they showed up expecting McDonald’s maybe they’d relapse. And yeah again that is still on them but come on - we’ve gotta draw a line somewhere. We are first and foremost accountable to ourselves but we are also accountable to our neighbours as well. When it comes to ads the bare minimum should be to be upfront and honest and show the actual product.
What I really thing is effective about those ads is, the person "playing" the "game" look completely stupid and incompetent and you end up thinking "oh i could do this way better." That's the hook.
comparing Fate Grand Order (never saw an ad for this game EVER, only in the game and as a trailer because is a visual novel jrpg and they add it in the game when they add something new) to these obviously fake game ads (ads that I see anytime and in every app I use but ironycally not inside FGO game) is strange, almost like the guy was really mad specially for some reason to that game and he classified as fake because he really hates it.
Or just this guy doesn't play the game at all, knows nothing about the game at all outside of addictive gambling talk and basically thinks of mobile games as "all are the same trash". Yeah, FGO has some questionable stuff (it has gacha things aftter all and it is basically a casino), but... it's an actual game with actual, decent story (early on it's rough but it getts quite nice later on) with creators having genuine passion for it. Treating it as "just another mobile garbage that people only play due to being manipulated" instead of "it has questionable elements, but I get the reasons people might like it" just shows the ingorance.
I’ve recently seen one of these fake ads for a mobile game that went so far it straight up rips dark souls assets and uses them in the ad but when you click on the game it’s just a terrible mobile souls like but it doesn’t use those assets in game. The fake ads should definitely be illegal, it would be if they put the dark souls assets in their game, so why wouldn’t be illegal if they used them in advertising for said game?
They make the ads showing someone FAILING to play well, on purpose, to make you want to play the game RIGHT, it's psychological, and insidious.
It’s ridiculous.
When I see those ads I get insulted and don't bother with their games. But I only play Marvel Snap and Slay the Spire on mobile. Anything else is on a Steam Deck
The weird thing about those ads is that for some people, they fall for it. But for many others, it does the opposite because the way they fail is so obvious it feels like an insult to one's intelligence. I was more inclined to play the games that show people doing well or actually beating the level instead of the whole "Oh no, I am so slow at clicking or doing the right thing.
"insidious" lol
I was surprised that bit wasn't mentioned actually.
Love it when you report these game ads as spam and false advertising and you get the response that nothing was found wrong with what you reported.
Google and Apple get percentages of every dollar spent in their digital stores.
You get responses when you report something?
remember disabling playstore stops ads from popping up. saves battery and bandwidth too.
There was this 1 game called warpath and to be fair most of the adverts show gameplay… kinda. But one of the ads had a guy saying something along the lines of “Wow! So warpath is completley free to play? With no pay to win whatsoever? That’s amazing!” Yea the game is basically a watered down rise of kingdoms lmao
I did got tired of reporting it. I just give it 1 star
The most painful thing about these fake ads is they show a gameplay of someone playing SO badly, it makes YOU want to download just to play it right.
That is a ploy to lure in power-gamers. They are the most likely to become whales.
just a scheme
Rage baiting
If you get baited, you're that easy to provoke. Get help
the worst part is, if you have played a game on your own, and later you get ads, showing entirely different games with its name
I personally knew a woman who had spent $79,000+ on a mobile game. She did not look like the kind of person you'd expect, pretty, petite, healthy, but addicted. She also had an unexpected job, as a health director of a major hospital xD.
😂😅 what tf thats hilarious.
thats like the total money I have earned my entire life and I am alost 30 😅
@@fortheloveofnoisewtf
@@konigstiger3252who knows where they live.
Wait till you hear the largest amount spent by a player in War Dragons. $580K USD.
Google does quality control when you report scam ads. And then they say "no its not."
I have reported a lot of ads that say that the biggest bank in my country is selling stocks and the dividend is almost double what you pay, haven't click it but pretty sure is just a fake app that "sells stocks" but it's completely false, just recently a close older person saw the ads for "forex and bitcoin" and spend 200 USD and the fees for transaction were 70 USD, the app did the transactions for you and he lost 90% of his money in minutes and he got a call to put other 500 USD to take out the last 10% but he got mad and told them that he was going to sue them and they ignored him, btw 200 USD in my country is almost the minimum salary so you can get what he lost
Tech run by indians, what did you expect
I reported a blatant facebook false advertising scam where you can buy your own star and name it. Stars all ready have official names recognized globally so it was total BS.
Facebook replied that the advertiser was doing nothing wrong. The people running the adds could just take people's money, and just send the customer a piece of paper. Genius scam.
@@DavidHands you'd think so - but it's probably just a tax evasion sceme mark and one of his besties (his alt) are running
"Quality"
I hate the ad's that let you click on the skip sign, just to wait another 30 seconds to click on another skip sign lol
And only then are you allowed to click an X to close it. If you're lucky. Or it breaks and forces you to open the app store with the game on it cuz the X is so damn small.
@@dflameX yep they are the worst
I thought I was the only one lol
@@nixutps or they break, black screen, and force you to restart the app
the worst ones are the ones who automatically redirects you into the playstore after the ad is finished
They now have ads showing "UA-camrs" I've never heard of playing these fake adds to prove the are not fake.
I've seen them straight up just steal clips of youtubers out of context and use that. So far I've seen pyrocynical critical and xqc.
Not to mention straight up stealing gameplay from other video games meanwhile the actual game is just a cheap 2d game you can't even play on tilt that's straight up graphics and sounds from a Motorola flip phone game
Yes. Very cringy.
I checked this Evony game on Google play store, and You should too. It shows NOTHING about the real game. The avatar, and 5 out of 5 game pictures are about this fake minigame. It has 100+ mln downloads, 3.9 score. Looking into the comments, there are some 1/5 reviews saying that the game is different than in the ads, to which the company responds:
"We assure you, the content in our game matches our advertisements. Keep playing and exploring - there's a lot to discover. If you stop too soon, you might miss out on some exciting aspects of the game."
This is insanity. How is this legal?
Even Asmon has appeared in one and had to say he never promoted it
Most people do not even realize Evony is a game that came out almost 20 years ago. It was a web base game I use to play back when I was 18, I am 35 now.
I played that on my pc with an amd duron 800 mhz processor. Had to connect to another player with an ip address. This is nothing at all like the original evony and it pisses me off.
I recall Evony back in like 2009, early 2010s used to have seductive, busty women in lingerie or a model as an ad, with the description of, "Play Now!" / "Play for Free!" / "Save the Queen!" / "Come Play, My Lord" / "Free Forever"
I remember because these ads were everywhere back then, I used to play Flash games for fun, and would see these sorts of ads for Evony and Evony clone games veryyy often.
It says it released in 2009, 15 years ago not 20
@@randybobandy9828 ahem.. he said "almost 20 years ago."
15 + 5 = 20 so its kinda 20 because theres an equals
He is right about not playing these games being the solution. I stopped installing mobile games that don't respect the customer and I don't let my son have them on his phone either.
funny thing is that the devs of most of these games are chinese obviously tailoring to children who sees the ads and instantly get hooked
Yeah people got mad when he says don't do alcohol or drugs if you don't want to get addicted or stop doing them if you are but it is that simple..as a former addict I can tell you the solution is simple but it was still hard to do.
I just bought an Android flip phone and play GBA games with glorious physical buttons 😂
Sûre but his dismissing of real condition as easy is disrespectful…if it were that easy addiction wouldn’t exist. Some people are more prone to it than other why? I don’t know probably so genetically or brain things and just saying well don’t do it bro is fucking stupid coming from someone who got an easy life. It’s like saying to starving kid in Africa « well just eat bro »
@@ikasuki1 he literally says it might be hard to do, but the solution is simple. But that does not change the fact that its still you doing it and you dont seek help once you notice, but first let it go out of hand.
And yes there are many reasons why they do it, thats why its hard. But dont say others made you do it. Its not them deciding, they are just there to appeal
Alcoholic here.
I think it's true that some people have a prediliction for addiction, whether by nature or nurture but it 100% runs in families. I've been to too many rehabs and too many groups not to have noticed it. Further, it has become obvious to me that some people just find it harder not to get addicted to their vice of choice. It's something non addicts just don't seem to get, and it's why group leaders should always be addicts themselves.
However, it is still 100% a choice. Nobody EVER forced me to drink and I have never once blamed the people selling me alcohol.
Whenever I was lying in hospital from overdose or withdrawal, I only thought ever thought "God, I'm such an idiot". I never thought "those damn companies out there selling alcohol, REEE!"
Nice outlook. Before seeking help you need to be able to help yourself
The problem for gamers is more like this:
With Alcohol that you buy, you probably enhance the alcohol marketplace and the brands that u buy. But its alc...
With videogames is like: PC games and 1 Time to pay games are like our holy sanctionary
But with whales paying so many shit companys for this garbage money, the other smaller "Good" intention video game artists and companys are going to drown
@@RipOfflineAudio what do you think their physical or mental dependance of alcohol makes them treat alcohol as? addiction is a love/hate kind of thing, friend. If you'd play a little less games you'd probably have gotten to meet alcoholics/addicts who worship their poison so many times harder than you do your games. Or at the very least, you'd have seen that there's more than 1 way to treat anything like a holy sanctuary. be it drugs, alcohol, gaming, whatever.
I fail to see the point you are trying to make, too. shouldn't the studio and publisher, ideally, use the money they are paid of off sales to enhance the game marketplace and their brand? Or dare I say, ideally, ANY kind of for-profit organization should be using their earnings on bettering their brand?
I'm assuming I'm missing your point, otherwise I'd say your comment is a slight bit out of touch with the reality and 'conversation' you jumped in on.
its been proved by science and neuroscience that theres no such a thign as choice , everythign is the result of the past ,adn what happened to your brain before
@@AXharoth this has not been proven. please dont spread misinformation. All signs point toward free will not existing but no proofs exist.
I am SICK of these types of ads, and I see them constantly for over a year now.
Red
Adblockers exist, you know
@@Chasodey I don't have an ad blocker, never have, and yet for months, UA-cam prevents me from watching videos saying I have one. It's maddening. Only by refreshing a dozen times will it eventually play.
@@kcw1879 uBlock origin is great and does not get detected
@@ChasodeyScrolling through Instagram or reddit also, and there is no adblock....
I used to work for a mobile game company, there was a whale who'd contact support every year around tax season asking for a refund because "Their child bought everything without their permission over the year", every year... And managment would actually refund them....
I hate it when random crappy game ads use game play from games like Diablo, Command and Conqure, Age of Empires, ect.
So happy to see command and conquer mentioned, loved that game as a kid and hate that ads are using it
Yeah some of these ads are outright copying these games to the exact detail in the add and it’s so annoying
Ive seen one with just elden ring gameplay
My wife is an avid Pokemon Go player and joins Facebook groups, Reddit Groups and other forums regarding Pokemon Go. She regularly sees people admit they spend $1000s into the game on a monthly basis and with a yearly event just passing, people burn up even more money on whatever. Utter Ridiculousness.
Digital crack
People value money differently depens on how much they make
Asmon could waste 10 grand on a gacha game and wouldn't even think about it next day
I don't put value in money but I also don't have any
You know, reading this post, it makes me realize that Pokemon Go is the ONLY phone game that I do not regret spending money on when I was younger. Spending is actually optional, It's a complete game, it gets you out of the house, it gets you socializing with others, and it's pure nostalgia. I am ashamed to admit that I spent money on any of the other phone games, but looking back, I guess I was addicted. Wasn't much else for me to do at the time, working 12 hour days with crazy hours. I downright refuse to play any games with microtransactions that are not PURELY cosmetic now, so at least I gained wisdom from the experiences.
Now I’m a high level. The game is a chore and takes forever. I refuse to spend to win
This kind of advertising is literally the entire premise for "bait and switch" laws.
The only question is if since its free, does it still violate any laws? It probably should, as there is an opportunity cost beyond financial costs.
Proving a loss of time is almost never really going to get you anywhere legally/compensation wise, especially when the games have some portion or version of the ad in the game
You'd have to then prosecute anyone that showed a portion of their game in an ad that wasn't part of the "main game", and then you'd need to define what the "main game" legally is, haha
@@ninjablade2 I think roughly defining general genres could be a start. If 90% of the gameplay loop consists of base building but they show a "slide-shooter" in the ad and completely miss the base building aspect, then it should be fake advertisement
companies have a lawyer likely go over the laws and figure out how to skim enough to avoid the laws without doing the actual work. Cause a barrel game or the like will eventually not be spent upon cause eventually you run out of scam skins to put out and those games normally are abandonware just a year out of their box.
Though lots of games end up like this.
Also the most irritating part is how these scam games end up at the top of the app stores I guess its cause of the download amounts.
Still wish they got labbled with a tag you could filter out
It's not free if you can spend money on it you can download anything for free even in the 90's but then sold a key to unlock content.
Dude really just hit us with the "Just say no" for mobile game addiction. Lol.
It always seemed like a waste of time though….
Yeah and we all see how well that worked for other addictive substances. That's the whole reason that all that anti-drug crap I saw in school didn't work. All they ever try to show is an example is worst case scenarios. They say your people die or people end up in prison. But for most that's not what happens. Death in prison is a rarity compared to those who don't die and don't go to prison. But they should have done is instead of that nonsense is show one of those documentaries that follows around some addict for a week so you can see how they live. Just saying that drugs are bad people die that's so abstract especially for kids. Showing them live people that are actually suffering I feel would be far more effective. And also realizing that addiction is often a way for people to self-medicate. Which means there is an underlying problem that needs to be addressed. And to teach kids that if you're feeling bad about something or depressed or just that something's not right talk to somebody. And teaching kids to accept each other and themselves as they are. There is so much more important stuff in the world to deal with than worrying about what brand of shirt someone wore or what their face looks like or how big their butt is. I mean it just amazes me that that's literally not a class in school that existed or may not even exist now that is mandatory. A class that you get really early on and that's about how to be a respectful understanding and empathetic human being. Basically teaching children how to be decent to each other.
@@jasonlapadot8381 i can't believe you typed something this long without the algorithm finding something to yeet the comment over. Kudos.
@@jasonlapadot8381 what kind of tism do you have?
I find myself watching the barrel-shooty ad way longer than I should. Could have clicked it off 5 seconds in but they designed it in a way that mesmerizes me and draws me in. It’s kinda scary, I have to snap myself out of it. My brain might just be rotted though idk
Your brain is what I imagine a ree tarted brain to be like. You wake up and it’s just a constant struggle.
It's okay. They need to pay more for the ad if you don't skip it.
I think what infuriates me is that they play so badly, that sometimes I get curious that I can play that better. But yeah I feel you in watching a bit longer.
Bro why you gotta do him like that 🤣
@@MattDamon69Thank you. 😐
What I find funny about these fake ads is when you have 5-6 different content creators commenting on their "gameplay" of it and it's the same gameplay loop for all of them.
"Whoa how did you get all those cool characters!"
"Well you see I just used code IMASUCKER so I could get hundreds of free rolls. I pulled the mythical hero YouGotScammed of House GiveUsAllYourMoney!"
"Oh Wow!"
"Use your resources to build your kingdom and trample your enemies!"
How many ads did I just hit with this one?
im wondering often also if the content creators are actually promoting the app or if they just ripped some video part of them and dub over or something as a lot of time the lips don’t match the words said
@@minecraftreports Just like in 90's pron
Nowadays if a game I downloaded gives me an unprompted full screen ad I just uninstall.
to me the worst thing is that ads are being triple dipped, you have to close it 3 times every time, in the end that's the same, if not worse than a 30 seconds unskipable ad
Just turn your internet off😂 gets rid of all the ads
The thing is you also get bombarded by these ads while you're "doomscrolling" on your phone, and it happened to many times that I "fat fingered" the display and clicked the ad.
True
so you clicked. you don't have to install it though
I notice when you search for something or go to a new page itll take the ad like 1 second to appear and it always replaces the first result so as your finger is already enroute to select the first result BOOM it takes you to a purchase screen with everything prefilled.
As a game developer myself I just can't get myself to spend money on things like that. I know someone sat there in the office and purposely put in an obnoxious waiting mechanic, and artificially set a variable to $15 to buy the gems or whatever to skip it. Why deal with that shit when you could just go and play a real, not obnoxious game.
One thing he didn't touch on is the social dynamics. You are put on a team and teams with bigger whales are coming over and destroying your shit. You wanna help defend or avenge your team but that requires you to upgrade your weapon/character whatever. The team with the most whales / money spent wins or gets to control the server. There's a lot of power dynamics and politics. For people who are competitive, this is where they start milking the $$. Really reflects the real world.
US has the biggest weapons and basically has the say over the world economy.
The industry is in such a sad state. I remember being shocked at Game Developers Conference in San Francisco, where every single mobile game dev panel was about ways to make the game as painful as possible to force people to buy stuff in your game. And how they essentially figure out how your brain works, make you addicted to the game to a certain degree to monetize you even harder.
@@wanglelifeI played gta role play and that sums up what happened with the server.
Ya when mobile games started to come out in the early 2010s I was baffled by what they were... I was expecting full games like a psp that cost like $5-20 and you own it. Very few of those games ever came out so I have up on mobile games. Candy crush with it's bullshit "play 5 lives and then wait 24hrs" bullshit or pay money to continue. I remember I would modify the clock on the phone by a day to continue to play for free the same day.
@@DerDudelino
Funny thing is you're generally listening to the midwits of the industry blowing hot air about how smert they are, the gigantic titles from the Far East use maybe half the tricks they could, because they understand that their customers aren't stupid and will recognise an obvious money pit.
Next, address that scummy advertisement about the bogus subsidy check from the government. I’m tired of those ads.
Or the ones talking about owning land in a game and making real money on it. I just specifically hate the guy who brags about now his landlord pays him. 😂 and they payout in crypto.
I dont know how is it in the USA, I'm from south america and on top of all that has been mentioned I have seen many, MANY times ads of "bussineses" or "trade schools" and the like, that 99% of the time end up being pyramid schemes.
I once saw one with a deep fake andrew tate. It was trying to talk how it thinks he would talk. It was like "what's up you disgusting poors, do you wanna be less disgusting in poor? The government of a country im not from and i dont live in is giving away money"
Ok i added the last part, but its just funny to me the logical dissonance required to believe Tate is advertising for the US government.
Exactly what I’m thinking right now talking bout you can get a check for 5k for your local government 😂😂😂
That is only an American thing.
Evony/Civony have been doing misleading ads for fifteen years, makes me feel old
I remember them starting out just making stupid little ads insinuating there was adult content in it lol
COME PLAY, MY LORD
2009, early 2010s Evony ad with often a CGI seductive, BUSTY woman in lingerie or a model: "Play Now!" / "Play for Free!" / "Save the Queen!" / "Come Play, My Lord" / "Free Forever"
Yeah, I remember seeing those sorts of ads everywhere back then, because I used to play F2P Flash games in the late 2000s and early 2010s, legit saw these ads everywhere, and they're still fooling people today 15 years later... xD
And I STILL see these Evony ads on YT... They never left! Ooooof
Not a dumb take just a bad one. It’s an over-simplification of how addiction works. It’s why addiction is classified as a disease. Because they can’t “just stop” otherwise it wouldn’t be an addiction. A lot of it is psychological and they need help to quit. These game developers know this and choose to pray on addicts. It’s easy to not drink once you’ve quit but it’s near impossible to quit once you’re addicted and for people who are predisposed to addiction it’s hard to tell where a habit ends and an addiction begins, before it’s too late.
Addiction is extremely hard to quit, but you can still quit. My grandpa smoked tabacco for 20 years but quit cold-turkey when he had my mom. My mom did cocaine for a few years (alongside other drugs) for a few years but quit immediately upon being pregnant with me. I did drugs, tabacco, alcohol, and weed but quit everything when I saw how it was ruining my life. It was VERY hard. I thought at times it might be easier to die than to quit. Even now after 10 years I sometimes wake up longing for a smoke or drink, but don’t allow it for myself. It’s HARD to break addiction. But it’s possible. You just need to suck it up and stop.
In fact you can "Just Stop"... I have an addictive personality, addiction comes VERY easy to me. But when its time to quit, that is what you do, you "Just Stop"...
youre conflating the terms 'simple' and 'easy'
He's seems to ignore the fact that they are making a science out of how to manipulate people into being their cash cow, instead of, you know, making a great original game.
A lot of people are so close minded that they think their reality of doing something should be as easy for someone else as it was for them. And ego too big to only give credit to their 'self discipline' efforts instead of just being born with more favorable genetics to not be addicted to something.
I'm a teacher and little kids love these fake ads. It's to the point where they rather see the ads then the video.
This... actually sounds horrifying
sad
wtf? like why?
You're a teacher and you write "then" instead of "than"?
@@Danso_3000 you do realize there are teachers from non-English-speaking countries that also don't teach English and English is like their 2nd or 3rd language, right?
Oh Evony. The game famously advertised for years by TITS, just TITS, nothing but TITS.
there should be a law that video games ads have to show real time gameplay footages and they have to clearly label which part of the ad is real gameplay.
Evony absolutely does. I tried the game out and the barrel thing with guns is part of it.
I'm not defending the game, I just hate it when people don't check out these kinds of things. One of the first things you do in that game is go play that (the controls suck though).
The games with those ads legally HAVE to have that as part of the game otherwise it gets taken down off the store because of false advertising(assuming they're not in the US) or get sued. The issue is that the section in the ad is such a small part of the game that it feels like false advertising
@@Aerroonfound one of those paid stooges guys.
Let's add they have to show the core gameplay. Not the effing mini games to trick you.
Every single ad for the game "gold and goblins" shows a different game.
I litteraly had the same ad before the video....
Ayo same 😂
See it constantly...
Imagine not using an adblocker 😅
I saw a leprechaun and a pink elephant today
Ads are for normies that don't know how badly their time is being wasted. They are basically modern day popups. You are either wealthy enough to avoid them with premiums, or you are savey enough to navigate around them with a blocker.
I don't negotiate with terrorists, so I choose the latter.
My biggest gripe with some of these game producers is the fact that the fake game they produce for an AD is better than their actual game. I can’t even count the amount of games I’ve deleted within five minutes.
Unfortunately that's their goal... Whales would dry up a lot faster if they didn't keep getting dopamine hits from beating new players (like you) immediately after spending money. They either get a whale or they get someone for the whale to beat.
I actually played evony as a kid. It was originally called civony and then changed to evony. It has ALWAYS been plagued by predatory monitization. Like, it was bad by todays standards in 2007. To get more cities you needed medals and the drop rates were near undroppable. It was also insanely plagued by bots. My alliance leader had a second alliance with 100 alt accounts he ran with bots to farm resources and send them to his main, and that was standard for most servers. The devs catered to the botters because they were the whales dropping upwards of $5k on a new account when a new server opened. It is absolutely no surprise to me at all that they went on to basically pioneer the fake game ads. Its just a little sad, because i spent countless hours playing that game, if the devs werent money hungry the game wouldve stayed alive for a lot longer
Bro I remember when all the Tribal Wars tribes were talking about Civony being the next big thing... then it kinda just came out as a limp noodle of pay to win.
Learn from this, be a better dad and dont let your Kids play this dirt
@@RealEvilLordExdeath nah I took a lot away from grinding a game when I didnt have access to money to even think about buying anything. Like I said, the game was actually good, I thoroughly enjoyed it despite being pissed about not getting any medals. The game gave you a free wheel spin a day, and the thought at the time was saving them until you have 10 or more makes the game give you better drops, thinking you spent money. Never knew if it worked or not, but I did get the medals I needed from the free stuff, but I could've been just insanely lucky. Theres nothing wrong with the progression model if there's no way to spend money, or if they never lowered the drop rates further
Same, I played Evony a lot as a kid. Wasn't as informed as you though. Got to the point where I could farm the npc towns non stop. But never came close to sustaining the 10-20x bigger armies that some people seemed to have. At first I thought they were hacking or something. Eventually joined a semi-active alliance and was educated on what really was going on. Alts and bots.
Still enjoyed the game though. I remember stuff like scout bombs.
It ended up playing like a perpetual pac-man game too. Like, the battle strategy itself was ok, but on a larger scale, there was no point to ANY of it. Take a spot, lose a spot, take a spot, lose a spot, for years and years.
The psychology behind those adds is that the player they're watching sucks so bad that people think " i could do better" so they download it. The blatant bad decisions in the add make the viewer want to download it just to prove how easy it is.
Kinda on topic, I remember in high school a college professor came over and addressed numerous jobs you can get as a designer/artist and one of them was a food advertiser. The example they gave was for cereal and they said the cornflakes and milk were literally cardboard and glue. I was thinking the entire time afterwards “isn’t that literally false advertising?”
WoW Token + carries + store mounts + character transactions + level boosts + expansions + 15 per month = people do this in WoW all year long.
WoW Players are in denial
The first time I ever noticed about mtx was actually from WoW and other similar mmorpg. The idea that people could pay for a game more than its worth was so crazy for me the first time.
most people don't care about store mounts and don't use these "paid services"
@@vashe9 curious, what percent do? You have data?
Sold by the epic cinematic that suggests interesting gameplay actually happens. I mean really, trailers like that aren't far from showing a fake game.
These people in ads are all kinds of people, cheap actors, low profile content creators,... Or the worst one, the marketing team uses clips of popular content creators reacting to something else entirely and attach that to their game without permission.
These fake ads should be illegal, it's so infuriating
I have seen these ads for years on youtube. This is why I got an ad blocker.
And UA-cam wonders why people want to use adblockers.
And yet now even ad blockers are beginning to fail on youtube
my still holds
@@DastenReVanced works fine
@@ajtaranto1989 I'll check it out, ta
If you think ADDICTION as a disease like drugs, alcohol, food, betting and etc
It's kinda fucked up to prey on people but it seems to be acceptable
Know somebody who is addicted to sharty fake ad games?
Call the govt helpline 555 FAKE ADS to be shown more fake ads
when it comes to addiction, the circumstances are really important in both how disorders are diagnosed and therefore how accountability should be distributed.
this is why asmon's take on it at ~23:50 comes across as so absurd to people who are more knowledgeable about these topics. there is a big difference between somebody who becomes addicted to something due to lack of self control and somebody who becomes addicted to something due to an undiagnosed medical disorder that they end up self medicating for. i know the guy isnt a doctor, but because of that fact he should be a little more reserved with his opinion about these things.
the point i agree with asmon here is that its not just a disease. There are elements where addiction is not your fault, but there is a degree that there is.
@@dlanbatal nah Asmon is wrong here, he really cant speak on addiction when he hasnt truly seen what happens to people before and after. I dont wanna see no one saying shit like 'oh just stop doing it' till they had to lock their brother in a room for a week and having to clean that shit up afterwards. Shit is absolutely not that easy
Yeah. It's acceptable to the extent that you believe it's their fault if they fall for it. I think it's just the usual case of life is simpler in black and white and we have our own shades of grey. Remember Asmon talks fondly of memories of ninja looting and then laughs at those who were stupid enough to fall for it. I think that kind of explains his stance here. Also bear in mind he has never tried any form of drug or alcohol, so he has never experienced that type of addiction. On a lot of topics I find his "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" attitude empowering, but in this case it does hit a little different, so I wouldn't take him too seriously.
What makes me mad is that actually good mobile games pretend their game is something different when in reality if they didn't lie and showed off their real game people would probably be more interested.
Yeah Ive seen this too and it makes no sense to me
Tho.. there is this one good mobile game where it basically makes fun of the fake mobile ads gameplay trope.. That Game is My singing monsters.. And at first a first glance when watching their recent ad.. It looks like they went downhill along with "them"
But if you managed to watch through until the end.. The fake gameplay is a joke and shows the actual gameplay in the end.
That tactic is part of why so many companies sponsor Northernlion to play games. He's so comically bad that many people purchase the games he's playing to implement the backseating they provided that he ignores.
Yeah pretty much. Evony 1 did fine just being what it is and it didn't need scam ads like these.
@@RecliningWhale I feel like this happens every time Asmon plays a new survivor game.
While viewing this video, at about 9:47, a scam game commercial interrupted the scam game commercial about scam game commercials.
These apps need to start being sued for false advertising.
Here is the problem: this has already happened at least 2-3 years ago if not more. The response of these giant companies who are the first to push these kind of ads was to add minigames inside their bull-shiny games that actually resembled the ads, even though the minigames were not consequential at all most of the times. So that way they were "technically legal"
You can't sue them in general. Because they are not selling you anything. Games a free so if you get tricked by downloading a game like this you are not losing money so there's nothink to sue for.
Another thing these companies use is as other commentor said - add a 2 min mini game just like add suggest to clear from legal troubles.
Finally the most scummy thing (IMO) is responding to negative reviews in such a scummy way. If you write a review of such game you get a response like: "We want to thank you for informing us abaut this issue, and apoligise! Our marketing team is abit behind so that add is abit outdated. We are sorry abaut this".
That! That is the most infuriating thing that can be said to anyone! They are trying to say that the game you saw in add was this game you downloaded, but they changed it over the time into something absurdly diffrent. That is the biggest nonsense that anyone who knows at least a little abaut coding. It's not like I made a wrong turn driving home and I ended up in Paris. It's not possible. Also how your marketing team can be marketing diffrent game???! Don't you have a phone? Can't you send an email? A pigeon? F it! Smoke signals might do it!
@@scrapmason3721 I've never seen even mini games within apps that resemble the ads, atleast for the games I've tried. It's nuts.
to me whats worst than the adds are the people that they put up infront of you saying stupid stuff like "OMG how does this person I'm friends with shop so much when she doesn't make any money!?!?!" then some other person shows up and says "She's playing this game and winning thousands of dollars!!!!" The people who voluntarily choose to peddle this crap are literally the worst type of person. You couldn't pay me enough money to be that dishonest...
in Brazil we're having a huge wave of casino games popping up, started I think two to three years ago with a company called Blaze, not sure it's international or national but their app has tons of minigames you could spend money on, and the ADs featured famous artists, sponsored youtubers here on the platform with millions of followers and even soccer players were sponsored to make an AD about it.
they're most likely billionaires now, because the money they offer to famous people is about a couple to tens of millions to a single person and they're not afraid of doubling the payment to make someone agree to their contract terms. we're having now "the little tiger's game" which does what you described, a girl comes out and starts playing it, tell the audience she's earning this much money, shows her account, shows the game rolling and kinda like a money bar filling up showing how much money she's making and it's one of the most famous apps in Brazil right now.
Evony used to be Civony, an online civilisation building game where you got to face against other players playing online, trying to destroy each others towns and become the overlord of the servers. Ogame was another similar game based in space. They used to be actually extremely good, now they've become these total shills.
One of the worst parts of the ads is having to press 3-4 times on the close button for a single advert, sometimes making the close button so hidden, so small that it opens their app page.
I'm guessing someone bought the company making Civony and renamed it for a great cash grab game? :)
It's not that the close button is too small, it's that the first close button is a fake one, it only shows you the real when after.
@@akse tbh I just think smartphones happened. Evony used to be browser based, but once it got into people's hands...
yoo i actually enjoyed ogame but eventually the devs discovered that they only make money within the first month of a new universe starting so then they just start a new universe every other month so now its impossible to enjoy playing it long term as any time the game actually starts getting good then everyone quits to join a newly started universe.
@@Delantho There used to be a fantasy, middle earth kind of one too with the same style as Ogame that I loved. But yeah, you're totally right, sadly these games have been lost to the abyss of greed.
Today i saw the usual Hero falling from heaven and climbing up game ad but now it had a voiceover "Tired of ads with fake games? I found one that actually real."
They know we know and just double down on it!
now i actually want to make real game like in these ads just to see people really want to play it :) it should take few days top (one day if you know what you're doing)
I've seen a mobile game ad with the dude saying something like: "You've seen those fake ads? Well the devs decided to make it real" and proceeds to pretend to play while his hands are up in the air while he's supposedly playing. Not to mention I've seen the exact same "gameplay" clip on several different ads with different people. So tiring.
I'm playing a game right now that shows that ad non stop. I thought the same thing when he pretends to play then immediately starts waving his has about.
Man those people are so cringe, who are these people even? Streamers? How much do they get paid to lie like this? Ive even seen an old woman doing ads for the same game. 😂
@@Locomotion94They're nobodies, pretending to be somebody, some random "famous" streamer.
But even they do not exist
A company actually decided to make a compilation based on the fake games called "Yeah! You Want "Those Games," Right? So Here You Go! Now, Let's See You Clear Them!"
I guess "fake game ads" is essentially advertising 10 games, and hoping 1 of them looks good enough to make someone download.
What's worse is when the actual gameplay is way better than what the ad is
I had a co-worker at an older job sit there for a 15-min break playing FATE GO and all he did was drop over 500$ CAD in 15 mins trying to get duplicates of a character to merge them to max out the character. These people are so careless with money or addicted its insane to me to constantly feed gatcha/mobile games.
Thinking is the death of a sale 17:40 that is a perfect quote. Up there with "there is a sucker born every minute".
I watched the ads, download the game, play 5 min and realize it doesnt look anything like the ads before, instance delete and rate 1* plus negative review "fake ass ads"
Just don't in general. You're giving them engagement and shooting the app to the top of the search charts.
@@wdf70 the thing is some ads make us really curious iff the game is true as they advertise
That's only part of what they are saying. They are saying not leave a review.@@nguyennam1945
I checked this Evony game on Google play store. It shows NOTHING about the real game. The avatar, and 5 out of 5 game pictures are about this fake minigame. It has 100+ mln downloads, 3.9 score. Looking into the comments, there are some 1/5 reviews saying that the game is different than in the ads, to which the company responds:
"We assure you, the content in our game matches our advertisements. Keep playing and exploring - there's a lot to discover. If you stop too soon, you might miss out on some exciting aspects of the game." They might just respond the same to Your comment
This is insanity. How is this legal?
@@nguyennam1945 Just dont do it, the better it looks, chances are the faker it is. Dont waste ur time on them.
Sadly, this isn't constrained to mobile gaming, I remember continuing to game and spend money because you got extensions to the story or more features. Now, developers are spending three to six months on cosmetics and "bug fixes."
I'm more comfortable with spending $5-10 on a Steam Game & taking the risk it being terrible than I am with playing any FTP Mobile game.
on steam you have 2 hours of gameplay to refund it lol
How can you pick a horrible game on steam ! Just watch a walkthrough read the reviews and do thinky do I like the gameloop?
@@katarn848 I always do some research for a game that caught my interest on steam.
@@joeh858I remember there being some games on Steam that were specifically made to last those 2 hours before the content abruptly ends (like the game would just close mid-level, but not because of a glitch - the devs just made it like that) and that was years ago, so I don't know if it is still common these days.
asmongold is gonna look real silly after his arm grows back
I just block all those fake game ads immediately
if only rest of humanity "just" block those mobile game ads
It’s literally impossible to block these ads. I will block the exact same ad 5 times in 1 day.
I know people are fighting about the whole addiction thing so here’s my story. I know it doesn’t match everyone but hopefully it’ll help someone.
Addiction is extremely hard to quit, but you can still quit. My grandpa smoked tabacco for 20 years but quit cold-turkey when he had my mom. My mom did cocaine for a few years (alongside other drugs) for a few years but quit immediately upon being pregnant with me. I did drugs, tabacco, alcohol, and weed but quit everything when I saw how it was ruining my life. It was VERY hard. I thought at times it might be easier to die than to quit. Even now after 10 years I sometimes wake up longing for a smoke or drink, but don’t allow it for myself. It’s HARD to break addiction. But it’s possible. You just need to suck it up and stop.
Speaking as an only child raised by a neglectful and emotionally abusive alcoholic, I understand alcohol is an addiction. But I'll never forget the day when I was 13, finally tired of my mums crap. She picked me up from school and I asked why she was still drinking. Her response was: "The doctor told me I can't quit just like that." Which is true, but also a convenient excuse. So that hit home for me. As a child, it was okay to be the quiet smart one, but once I started failing and not living up to expectations, suddenly I'm a fat, worthless failure just like my father. So it's not an excuse.
It's a PITA for those advertising real games because its such a common practice that people assume your game doesn't match the ad.
6:55 I once saw a video that explained why even when they are clearly false advertising, it is not persecuted. In resume was because they don't make you waste money immediately and downloading the game doesn't do any damage to the consumer. By the time those kinds of games ask you for money you have already a couple of hours playing and at that point you are already aware that the game is not the same as the ad and you still chose to pay that money. At that point they are already not "scamming" you.
The greatest pain with these ads nowadays is trying to remove it from your screen, have to tik 3 times on the x with a 5 sec delay in between.
Addiction is a hell of hole to fall in, its ridiculous that states are so focused on the fight on drugs but simultaneously provide legal ground for gambling and those kinda games and similar
We have to watch out for the devils flower! It will unravel society if left unchecked!
At least FGO made Unlimited Budget Work anime
yeah and they didn't do false ads also, and there's no pvp in the game so whales can't crush those who f2p and they can't get butthurt when f2p beats them
the guy who spend 70k is just pure simping and i dont blame him for that
can't wait for the the fate/strange fake anime.
the main appeal of FGO is the story (fate/) itself, which is something that everybody that likes fate or nasuverse get, not the "gameplay" etc. the game was really meant for a weeb that really like fate / nasuverse (either just anime fan or hardcore Visual novel). i just play the game for the content (story), spend 0 dollars, grinding only for the servant/character i care but man, it kinda feel bad that the game being an easy target just because it's not appealing to general audience.
Caught my nephew and niece wanting to install one of these "games" based on a mobile ad they saw.
One explanation later, they just wanted to play on my old Sega Mega Drive 2 instead.
This addictive marketing strategy is also used in casinos and slot machines. It’s completely ludicrous but genius.
Which is why vampire survivors was so good
@@Exel3nce When did vampire survivors act as a slot machine?
@@pangolinrendangered5683 the whole game is one??
@@Exel3nce Like Walmart, I get you!
the irony is a hero wars add before watching this video
reminder that the streamer DSP regularly spends 10's of thousands monthly on a candy crush esque game with sweaty wrestlers in tights, and begs his viewers for donations to continue the cycle
nah but comparing FGO to cash grab games is gotta be considered a war crime
These ads are diabolical
China in a nutshell
Ironically got one ad of it waiting for your video
"If you dont want to be addicted to something dont do it"
Says the former WoW addict
You can not understand if you are addicted until you decide to stop. I was a WoW addict as well for years. I only understood that I was an addict until I stopped.....
That's called first hand experience. Being an addict or former addict doesn't disqualify you from telling people not to participate in something that you participated in lol
hes so fukkign wrong about it , its infuriation , he has no clue abotu how addiction works , its all about how brai nworks trauma , depressions etc , all this shit about discipline and metnal tough is trash false ideas
a guy who cant clean his filthy house and cant go fix his teeth for years , gonan talk about will and discipline
@@AXharoth Except he didn't say anything like that. He said it's hard to do and might be painful.
Marvel strike Force had a guy spend over $2,000,000 but quit after years of playing when the developer used his name in an in-game advertisement without his consent.
His dad was pissed
Where are the receipts? I wasn't able find anything about this.
@@Tilt_TM😂 look harder then duhh
@@Barrythebarnabas What is the player's name? I did searches for "Marvel Strike Force player name in advertisement" and "Marvel Strike Force top spender name in advertisement" plus several variants of those searches with no relevant results.
I'm calling BS. Stop the cap.
Someone actually made those games ads show, its released on Steam last year. Name: YEAH! YOU WANT "THOSE GAMES," RIGHT? SO HERE YOU GO! NOW, LET'S SEE YOU CLEAR THEM!
Have you heard of the sequel to that? I think it's already out.
So I am apart of the top ranking guild for a game called "fortress saga" and after this video I polled my guildmates on how much they spent on the game, (since the game tracks this number for you in the app)
each player has at least spent 10k, if not more this year.
each player.
Sumo fort, the guild leader of "founders "and top player in the game, has spent 45,000 this year alone.
this just gave me a reality check ngl
Only 20/30% of the people in rehabs can actually really overcome their addictions. Asmon: Just stop doing it, it's easy. Ok
because 70% are a weak minded losers, that's why they got addicted in the first place, and Asmon is right on that . I have always been obese, was addicted to eating, but since i turned 19 i started working out, been carefuil over my calories and macro, and now i look fit (like fat- fit if you know what i mean).
So yeah, it was very hard, but sometimes oyu just have to take your responsability and think "Well, it wouldn't hjave been that hard if I hadn't been a fat piece of shit in the first place (wich is the only reason i got to this point in my life)" If someone can't do taht, maybe he deserves to be addicted idk
@@fenor1862 ok Andrew tate. Still my point remains valid. Is not easy by any means. Especially with drugs or other things that makes you feel physically and mentally unwell if you skip a dose. There's a reason if, when you quit heroin for example, they give you methadone. We are all addicted to something. It can be something material or an habit. It can be something Dangerous or something pretty much harmless. Calling someone a loser cause he gets addicted, often in a low point in his Life, Is pretty stupid. Asmon Is addicted to his Savage lifestyle and would feel unwell living like a normal and clean person for example.
@@fenor1862lmao
@fenor1862 thank you!!!! I used to do percs and when it got to a point where i would need to take 2 to feel it. I would stop. Now i havnt done them in 3 years. The people who complain about addiction are the same ones to CHOOSE to get to that point. I will never have any sympathy to the people who CHOSE to do the drug. Now if it was a child who mother did these drugs or forced then thats a entirely diffrent story
@@dvader2004 yeah I feel like when your mother got you addicted Its another story
That 100m+ is people downloading and seeing the lies of the ad and deleting it immediately.
People dont know they are going to be addicted until they are. What is worse is constantly exposed to your addiction drives further abuse.
It's like when you start joining too many fiestas and drinking a bit too much.
Or you lose someone and you start drowning your pain in alcohol.
I guess that guy can't comprehend, never went through anything he's yapping about
Here is the real question. Why are they allowed to do these fake ads? Fake/False advertisement is illegal. Sadly the mobile market is completely ignored by many regulating agencies in many countries. Anybody remember the huge fiasco about lootboxes on PC? By that time that predatory shit has been going on for almost a decade on mobile.
Personally I think Asmongold's take on substance abuse is oversimplified and uncompassionate and so is his solution. I.e. at 23:45, maybe he'd like to rephrase this, but saying you chose to be addicted doesn't make sense to me like is he saying you chose to have the cravings or impulses to drink alcohol?
I like how he shows MTG as an example. Realized that early on, quit, never touched shit like this again
At least MTG have no fake gameplay. Also you can proxy cards and play for free
I can't tell you how long I've seen Age of Empires 2 gameplay stolen for a mobile ad for a different game that didn't exist. For years dude. Shit's been going on for a long time and nothing ever happens to them it seems
The fact that below this video is a sponsor for last war survival is so fucking funny bc its fake too
The only good mobile games have a steam version on PC
Honestly.
Pixel Gun 3D is on steam and it's not a good game.
"in my opinion this is still false advertising" How do we properly legislate it
Maybe not possible because the game is free.
I very much disagree on people who get addicted on stuff like this being mostly stupid
If a company is hiring psychologists to make something as predatory and addicting as they can, they are using (or rather abusing) parts of the human brain to their benefit
While I don’t think it’s okay for those companies to make an attempt at abusing the psychology of the human brain to try and pull people into their games or whatever else they’re advertising, hiring psychologists doesn’t automatically mean everyone is guaranteed to fall for it. Hiring psychologists allows for these things to “tickle” the right part of the brain to manipulate people into downloading their game but realistically only a certain percentile of people actually fall for it. And those percentile of people that do are usually stupid/weak willed/or uneducated about these practices. Most individuals can see these silly game advertisements and know that they’re false advertisements and or recognize the predatory signs and practices being displayed in their ad. Without ever downloading these games I could tell off the bat that the game would not only lack the fundamentals of what the gameplay in the advertisement had shown but also be a cash grab to lure in said stupid/weak willed/uneducated individuals.
Again, while it is scummy, hiring psychologists only works on people genuinely stupid enough to fall for it and miss the very blatant obvious signs of a predatory system being displayed to them.
Elephant in the room though, I don’t care what anyone says, these games are clearly false advertisements and should be legally banned from being produced in such a manner.
On another note, accountability for one’s actions shouldn’t be blatantly ignored to such a drastic degree where one gets to play victim and disregard the steps they willingly took to being a victim of said behaviors in the first place. If people really cared about the addictive issues that arises from misleading addictive ads, or p2w predatory microtransactions and so on so forth then they should also be willing to apply that same logic to the furthest fundamentals of gaming addiction at its core. A LOT of people are addicted to playing video games and a LOT of peoples lives have been ruined because of video games. If we applied the same logic of trying to police and baby proof things that have proven harmful and problematic towards addictive behaviors then there should also be justification in limiting games to only being played for 2 hours a day and shutting off for 24 hours. Suddenly though, something like that seems outrageous to most people, right? But it’s for the greater good of helping those addicted to games.
Managing addictive properties in things, especially games seems progressive in helping an issue but there does realistically need to be accountability for one’s actions somewhere along the line. If someone is an alcoholic, should they have to tear down the local liquor store? At what point is the individual responsible for their decisions? Where does that line get crossed?
I’m not defending these practices so much and personally I’d like to see them go away but I also can’t stand people never once in their life being able to admit something was their fault or they were too stupid to make a rational decision.
@xCuddleCatx Couldn't have put it better myself. While I agree we should be sympathetic towards ppl who fall for scams like this, the idea that this is being presented as if ppl are victims for consciously and knowingly making poor decisions repeatedly makes me very frustrated. Be accountable for your own actions. Anyone who has struggled with addiction of any kind knows the very first step is accepting and acknowledging that you are the only one responsible for your actions, period.
@@xCuddleCatx Weird pov because we're already doing nothing about this issue because almost universally everyone blames the victim when it comes to f2p crap so where are you coming from with this? Yeah people shouldn't tear down the liquor store because someone is alcoholic but if the same liquor store hands out coupons for a free beer outside the AA meeting people would probably consider that a dick move even though the relapse would technically be the drinker's fault. Yeah people shouldn't stay alcoholic. Yeah people shouldn't waste money on these stupid games. But it's not like allowing people prey on them and ignoring the vulnerable is making this a better place/life/community to live.
So, like every advertisement campaign in the history of ever? That's not exact breaking news, bud.
So, almost every single product that has ever existed?
For a while I systematicaly reported theses fake game ads and at some point I stopped seeing them but recently they came back with a vengence.
Funny thing is that there is a game out there that has all of those ad games to play and it's actually super fun
My mom (almost retired now) downloaded this Galaxy Shooter game that she enjoyed alot. Its full of ads unless u play it on Airplane mode. So she did. I bought (with real money) a really nice spaceship for her to make the game easier after about a month. Shes still playing the game after 1 year and still uses the ship i bought for her.
I even downloaded it myself and always try to stay 1 or 2 levels ahead/below her so that we can enjoy the game together from time to time.
I learned that you have to be a SUPER WHALE to keep up with the top players, so I just play it as f2p. I dont regret the 14 dollar i spent for my mom. I never even tell her i bought that ship using real dollars.
That's really nice. I play Galaxy Attack Alien Shooter (GAAS). Which one do you guys play?
The moment someone actually makes the game it will sell. I don’t get it either.
You could literally make the game on the ad and charge $1 with no micros in it and retire
@@mezzy7109 nobody is going to directly purchase a mobile game nowadays
I'm pretty sure there was one, it was called something like You want those games?
ourtube strikes again. Poofed my other comment.
@@mezzy7109 Now it's into sunk-cost territory. It snowballs downhill from there.
Reminds me of an olde english term called: Bait and Switch
7:34 I remember someone saying that they get away with it because who is gonna go after them. The entity that goes after false advertisement has other things to do than go after some mobile game who is just gonna have another 3 clones pop up.
All they have to do is to fine UA-cam for putting fake ads up.. and they will go away.
Whenever an ad let's me play the mini-game within the ad I play it there, knowing I could not play it anywhere else and close the ad when I'm done 😅
Gacha games and F2P games are how a former coworker of mine got his Bipolar type I diagnosis. His first manic episode, he spent $12k in a month on a crappy mobile city builder. Which works great for these people that make $250k a year... not so great for a dude whose gross household income was $43k.
Took him years to pay off, but with the help of Lithium and LOTS of therapy, he no longer plays gacha games.
Yeah man, I definitely fell into one of these at a hard point in my life, Luckily never spent more then I could but still spent a lot. Played it just for escape, but looking back worse decision of my life. But these games are designed to prey or that.
If i spend $30 a month is that bad beans
@@bigmatthews666 Tip: Quit that game right now. Do it before its late. Want another perspective regarding that? Here: ALL THE PROGRESS YOU MAKE IN A MOBILE GAME (gacha games, 100% online games like CoD Mobile and PUBG, etc) WILL BE FULLY DELETED AND GONE WHEN SERVERS SHUT DOWN. Meaning all the hours (hundreds or thousands) including ALL the money you spent to make X changes in your game, will be GONE and will NOT be able to access them even for nostalgia sake.
So in short: playing mobile games is a waste of time and money, in the end everything will be gone in a 'delete' server button. If you still want to play fully online games, at least games like CoD Mobile, Jetpack Joyride and PUBG can be enjoyed and played 100% without spending a single cent.
Getting a mobile game ad on a video talking about how bad video game ads are is such a mind-fuck
This is a real world example of A fool and his money are easily parted.
I was a small player on Game of Thrones - Winter is coming, and only spend around 10K euro over 3 years.
Whales constantly are worshipped as gods, community is EVERYTHING. We had 1,800 players in a discord over 20 large clans, which followed every command to the letter. Most of them free to play, most of them completely supressed and begging for protection against other clans. It's a hero complex that drives people to become whales. (and sometimes a tiran complex). We had rebellions, where busy multi-millionair businessmen would leave their meeting to crush another uprising on their phone.
But remember, 100K for them is like 10 dollar for a poor guy, and they get SO much back.
Same feeling as rich people get from sending a lot of money to streamers/only fans.
You could get all that in a different game without spending all that money.
I disagree with the alcohol addiction analogy. I mean, yes, at the end of the day people need to take accountability of their actions - this is 100% correct - but when it comes to these games and fake ads, they are being made with explicit intent of hacking peoples brains to get them addicted. If I were to make an analogy about alcoholism then this behaviour would be like opening up a liquor store outside of a rehab center, finding the time of day that is going to result in the most amount of patients leaving and putting a sale on for that hour. It's predatory.
Agree. This should be punishable by law but isn't. Makes you wonder, why isn't it? Who is getting paid off to keep shoving that stuff in your face.
bruh you cant blame them for your own mistake
@@blacky8987 that’s not what I’m saying. Regardless of what they do it is the person’s responsibility for their own actions, for sure. But if that’s only what we say, If we just leave it at that then we are saying it’s okay for terrible underhanded practices to be done and I’m not cool with that, are you?
@@lordsnugglebear yeah I get that 100%, I think what gets me is the underhanded side of having a false ad - because I’m not saying we shouldn’t have liquor ads or gambling ads but if you had say a McDonalds ad and your like hey I want some McDonald’s and your go there and it’s just a liquor store on the inside and not actually a McDonald’s well that’s just a shitty thing for them to do. You may be strong enough to walk out of there, but maybe someone else would only be strong enough to not be tempted by a commercial, but if they showed up expecting McDonald’s maybe they’d relapse. And yeah again that is still on them but come on - we’ve gotta draw a line somewhere. We are first and foremost accountable to ourselves but we are also accountable to our neighbours as well. When it comes to ads the bare minimum should be to be upfront and honest and show the actual product.
What I really thing is effective about those ads is, the person "playing" the "game" look completely stupid and incompetent and you end up thinking "oh i could do this way better." That's the hook.
comparing Fate Grand Order (never saw an ad for this game EVER, only in the game and as a trailer because is a visual novel jrpg and they add it in the game when they add something new) to these obviously fake game ads (ads that I see anytime and in every app I use but ironycally not inside FGO game) is strange, almost like the guy was really mad specially for some reason to that game and he classified as fake because he really hates it.
He probably failed to summon his favorite servant and was salty.
Or just this guy doesn't play the game at all, knows nothing about the game at all outside of addictive gambling talk and basically thinks of mobile games as "all are the same trash".
Yeah, FGO has some questionable stuff (it has gacha things aftter all and it is basically a casino), but... it's an actual game with actual, decent story (early on it's rough but it getts quite nice later on) with creators having genuine passion for it. Treating it as "just another mobile garbage that people only play due to being manipulated" instead of "it has questionable elements, but I get the reasons people might like it" just shows the ingorance.
The ironic thing is that as i am watching this video there is add for evony where the sponsored window is.😅
funnily enough, I've seen those ads for candy crush add a little tiny tiny line at the bottom left saying "not actual gameplay footage"
I’ve recently seen one of these fake ads for a mobile game that went so far it straight up rips dark souls assets and uses them in the ad but when you click on the game it’s just a terrible mobile souls like but it doesn’t use those assets in game. The fake ads should definitely be illegal, it would be if they put the dark souls assets in their game, so why wouldn’t be illegal if they used them in advertising for said game?