RWF Race Finale! - The BEST Race We've EVER Had?
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- This video was recorded prior to the news about the Blizzard lawsuit. Please see the pinned comment for further information.
Well the Race for World First has finally drawn to a close with Echo picking up the world first in stunning fashion and with Complexity Limit close behind in the number 2 spot. The raid itself was on the mediocre side but it produced the most nail biting and captivating race we've ever had. Today Mike talks about the race.
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Hi Everyone. Today's video was recorded yesterday before the news broke regarding the new lawsuit being brought against Blizzard hence why there is no mention of it. All of us at Preach Gaming are disgusted with the allegations - and are continually frustrated with the prevalence of this behaviour within our hobby. If you would like to hear Mike's thoughts on the situation, he discussed it at length during today's stream here: ua-cam.com/video/tlUmEiCD-QE/v-deo.html - Chris
But you still gotta get paid right? Unlike when it was method or finalbosstv when you were crying about bringing your wife and kids around. Since these allegations mention assaults at blizzcon I'm assuming you wont be back there ever again right?
get that bread mike no one gives a shit for doing your job - blizz's problem ain't yours
Hopefully Blizzard sorts itself out properly and quickly, otherwise so many people are going to jump ship. Sure, not everyone - some comments elsewhere have been somehow on the wrong side of all this. But I'm going to have to seriously consider if I'm resubbing next month. If there's not a lot of mass firings of high level management and a big display of remorse and reparations towards the victims... I'm out. Which sucks, because I love the game. And I know from their testimonies a lot of the victims loved their jobs too - just not the harassment that came with it.
Time will tell, I suppose.
@@ac833 If your first reaction to the Activision Blizzard lawsuit is to attack content creators for associating with blizzard you're part of the problem.
Cut the bullshit, you don't actually care. You just want to tear someone down.
Innocent until proven guilty. But Blizzard is a shit company regardless.
I wanted Limit to win, but Echo truly earned it with that super clean kill
Praise the editors for putting the speech in! Watched it live but everyone needed to hear it
a small thing this time around: the echo boys was together for an in person event. You could feel that the guys were more focused and motivated to do the race, think that element cannot be underestimated.
To be THE BEST Race ever there was one missing piece - Preach casting.
I don't recall how many times I had to mute the casters when they were just mumbling horseshit about somebody's shed or some retarded topic, even the chat got pissed plenty of times because they wouldn't cast the actual fights.
more Preach simps, the casters they had were very good
@@Freestyle80 maybe for you, i have nothing against any of those guys but i honestly couldnt be bothered to listen to them.
@@Gr_ywind twitch chat was angry? Wow that never happens! They're normally calm, collected and wise.
@@Gr_ywind If u dont enjoy the casters watch from RaidLeaders PoV or any raider . You get to hear comms which is way better IMO.
I hope limit has their heads held high. They did not go down without a fight, they gave echo hell and definitely had to fight for that world first. Bravo to both guilds
Sometimes you've got to rally the lads. I thought that was great, Mike. I was pumped.
God, that speech, I had chills. You absolute wordsmith
what speech? location?
Looking forward to the video about heroic and your thoughts on the raid as a whole, thanks for all the content.
To add on to Preach's point about folks who already know about wow might enjoy individual player streams. The raid leader's streams are perfect for those that already have a vast base of knowledge and just want to see elite players do their thing.
Watching Limit's raid leader throughout the race really gave me personally enomous insight into how they build their raid comp and why they're doing what they do. It's also a fantastic place to bang wagon the memes their raiders come up with, which just makes you feel that much more connected to the guys. I will never forget "Forbidden Milk" or the "random triangle strat" lol
or tripod Thrill :D god bless those memes :) Limit has the best raiding atmosphere i"ve seen tbh.
100% this . I mainly watched Scripe since I am an european and Limit were kinda hard to follow . But whenever both guilds were on I'd switch between Scripe and Max pulls listening to comms and just getting a general feeling of where the guilds are in terms of progress on the boss . It feels 1000 times better to hear comms .
9.0 no Preach motivation speech, Echo loses.
9.1 Preach motivation speech, Echo wins.
Just putting that here, wasn't too bad afterall :D
8.3 also had no motivational speech, and Echo lost.
you might be on to something here 🤔
Pieces also played sooo well, grats to those guys for world 3rd.
such a solid and "up and coming" world first guild. Great to see.
Glad you quickly mentioned your thoughts on the raid at the end, hope to hear what you have to say in depth later on because I miss the fatboss reviews :(
As someone from the US, I was a big fan of Method back in the day because of the high caliber of play they had, when there wasn't a ton of competition. When Limit came up and stirred up the race with adding US, I still rooted for Method. Now, once everything went down at the end of BFA, I started rooting for Echo because I love watching Gingi, Scripe, Rogerbrown etc. Them being the 'Underdogs' was such a cool feeling and seeing them take SoD World First was such a great experience and so stoked for those players. Amazing race, super fun raid. I will never push for CE, but love pushing halfway through Mythic after getting AOTC.
Echo did get the world first just because of that speach you did! You're the real winner here
watching max lose is what wakes me up in the morning and makes me sleep at night
everyone wants to hug rogerbrown
I watched so much of Jeathe's channel during the RTWF as I play holy paladin and it's honestly just a good vibe in there. No regrets waking up accidentally at 3am and watching til 6am to see the kill before going to bed again!
Max's channel was the absolute highlight of laughter.
his guildmates were also sly little fuckers too, so happy to see the smugness vanish :)
I'm not a fan of the DudeBro frat boy culture on Max's / Limit's streams tbh.
@@badimus i find it much more... relaxing than Echo tbh. Its type of guild you want to be playing in and enjoying it with those guys, unlike some chore or being on spikes all the time. And yes, its each individual taste thats for sure ;)
I'm gonna miss these :(
The RWF streams with all the boys casting were so lit
Preach and Fatboss Alex is my dream caster combo for the next race. Please make it happen Mike.
"A lot of people are bothered by it"
Sir, somebody is wrong on the internet. This must be fixed before I go to sleep tonight.
I've been following the RWF every tier since the first tier of cataclysm when paragon was the king. This was by far the best race I've ever followed.
Loved the race, production is becoming so much better, love irl meet ups, would just wish global release and 2 week progress on final boss with like 500-600 pulls! GZ to Echo and Limit!
I've been a moderator at MMOC, and your take on the MMOC forum is both funny and has a solid grain of truths to it.
(I was not good at that job, btw, before anyone asks)
What an amazing race, with so much effort put in by production people and casters to make sure it never got dull. You would think watching a guild wipe over and over again for hours on the same part of a fight would be boring for most people, but casters really carried those parts.
The biggest surprise for me was how many people showed up to watch. It wasn't just passionate mythic raiders, but also people who haven't even tried the raid on normal mode. Limit maximum had the most viewed hours on all of twitch during the mythic week, and the echo streams weren't far behind either.
Hopefully the next race will happen in a period where the atmosphere around WoW is more positive, and bring more hype to the fantastic raid content WoW has to offer.
Individual members channels were great indeed. Max for the in-depth analysis, Naowh because “once a tank, always a tank” and Jeath because the guy is just super cool [and chill].
Shoutout to the women casters btw, they were all incredible. Keep up the great job!
Maybe best ever but there's something almost mystic about the old school Sunwell race, especially when you hear the reactions that will never be topped
I don't think it was the best race we've seen. It had potential, but after the 3 bosses beyond Painsmith fell over in quick succession offering little resistance I was disappointed. It felt like the bosses had the mechanics and the potential to be really cool to watch the WF guilds progress on but sadly blizzard did not tune the latter part of the raid properly for the bleeding edge so it took the wind out of my sails a bit.
Congrats to Echo though, I was rooting for Limit to snag it but Echo deserved the win. Stellar play all around throughout the raid, especially the Sylv kill, that was clean.
You are talking about the raid itself. Mike spoke only about the race to WF. Those are two entirely different things.
Scripe said they had a lot of strats prepared for the last couple bosses and were massively disappoinetd to find out they won't need any of it because of how easy it was .
A couple of comments:
- Regarding the toxicity; Max actually said in his stream, that he had the im,pression, that Echo didnt respect Limit. So it is not just coming from the fans,
- I would really love the RWF streams to be a bit more educational. Do a spotlight of certain classes. What is a warrior? What stats/gear does he use? How does his skills work etc. so on the one hand, you can also make the stream interesting for newer players but also you can spice up the extremely long and boring times of back to back pulls.
The kill was godlike. I see clears like this with my guild after a month of farming a defeated boss.
Frikking love how Mike is nerdgasming all his way through this video
lets get jimmy and rogerbrown in for 2 hrs of straight memes
Hair looks great Mike! Love the vids bro
The RTWF was so much fun. The insane strats the guilds that competed tried and succeeded with are always so enjoyable to watch. And the Sylvanas tuning especially with the perfect pull from Echo, so much hype
What the fuck are you on about preach that speech was straight to the point and impactful. Not cringe at all, you killed it.
Mike, looking at the powerboost Limit had after their reset and reclear and knowing very well that Blizzard won't have a global reset, wouldn't it be the fairest option to make the RWF just a time based event? Starting the clock from the minute mythic opens in your region. So if Limit kills it in say, 7 days 10hours with all the extra gear they got they would have technically killed it first but would have to wait until all the other regions (still pre reset) either kill it faster or go over their time. In that case all guilds in all regions have an equal chance of winning, even oceanic (who are 2 or 3 days behind i guess?)
This has been talked about a lot, but really wouldn't be a solution, since EU guilds have an advantage in strats for earlier bosses, and usually spend less pulls there. Even the world first raiders themselves think global release is the only solution, but as long as a boss doesn't die on an NA tuesday, which afaik hasn't happened yet, it's kinda fine
So many great things about this RWF, but I noticed there was one very subtle fact that went unmentioned, Mike…MrGM was finally commentating during the WF kill! 🤘🏻😂
The only issue I had about the race was the shards. Multiple core people sitting because RNG fucked them and my prediction of whoever got more chaos banes would win. Echo had 9, Limit had 6. Had Limit have even just 1 more the one pull they hit 45.4% it wouldve been the win. I HATE they kinda compromised this with bullshit RNG uber power pieces
Except it ended at 45% not 50% so that wouldn't have mattered
With Castle Nathria it was who can rng the most 233 weapons from the Vault for progress, the raid before that it was who could get the most corruption. There's always something with how Blizzard does gear that can swing the race.
@@trysephiroth007 While 233 weapon are nice but its not like chaos bane which is like 15-20% DPS increase. At least nath it was pure gear and skill. This teir while I will say Echo did outplay them but these MASSIVE buffs these arbitrary systems gives is ridiculous.
@@skylarsimes8 "pure gear and skill" but if echo was better than limit, limit would still have won because of weekly reset which honestly is a way bigger increase dps than shards.
@@ashleycotterell5419 The pull he is talking about Limit wiped at 45.4, only .4% away from the kill. They had 2 sub 1% wipes in that last session.
In the end it was a great race and I'm so glad I took the time to watch as much of it as I could (unfortunately I was at work when the final blow was struck by Echo). Great show by the guilds involved, yea i went down quick but tbh that's fine, I don't think it has to be ultra hard 4 resets or even 1 reset and you know what... I'm so relieved that it didn't in the end go to that 1 reset because we all know what would have happened. I hope Blizzard take responsibility for the thing we all know they are directly involved in even if they like to pretend that they aren't and align the server resets across regions, it's not hard, other games do it and nothing bad happens (won't say what game but yea... THAT game). Hopefully we get to see you casting it in 9.2.
I really really hope that the race ends up getting to the point where world 1/2/3 are extremely contested and all of the places matter a lot. This was the hardest earned world 1st of all time i think, the closest race. I spent over 50 hours inside max's stream this time and i enjoyed all of it.
Limit and Echo are like Yin and Yang -- Don't get me wrong, there are lots of great guilds but they are the only two that have crossed the gap so consistently. Limit and Echo fans should appreciate their opposition, because without it what would RWF be?
GGWP Echo
It was even closer if you consider the fact that THE BEST pull limit had ended when nori disconnected. They were well above the mark entering P3 to down her. They couldn't get back to that point afterwards.
Even if you cant 100% shure say that you can cast sth if people ask you , just hop in whenever you can, because people love your commentary and persona no matter what .
Been watching Preach for well over 9 years and not gonna lie, for a good minute I thought that guy named bald something was actually Mike! Just wasn't paying attention and tripped tf out for a moment.
What I don't understand is why not do split raiding simultaneously with progression? So take 4 players from your raid, swap them out with 4 from the bench, your slightly weakened team continues through mythic progression, and those 4 players then do a heroic split to gear up. Then when they are done, then come back and 4 more go out.
Taking even 7 hours, much less 13 to 14, during a race that might only last one reset is terribly damaging to success. Echo pulled it off because they are amazing, and their competition did it too, but they may not be so lucky next time.
We should appreciate the expert play and tactical prowess on display during RTWF. It is truly a wonderful spectacle.
Lets not be dragged down by the numpties who want to troll.
4:48 "Ok then it's decided. We go to the customer and inflate the balloon."
Echo were worthy winners, and deserved it a dozen times over - but watching limit raid for 17 hours straight and push it to less than half a percent - it was something like magical. Credit and kudos for both teams, your players were amazing, your organization even better. I don't even play Wow anymore, and I loved every moment of RWF. I'm hooked.
While this was a great race and Echo definitely deserved to win, I feel like there were 2 completely different mentalities between Limit and Echo.
Echo played the raid like power players, they looked for exploits, they used them to get an advantage and they had the time on Sylvannus to kill her before Limit. Limit tried to play within the rules of the raid, Echo tried to out game the system, and while they won I would suggest winning by bugging bosses and abusing exploits is a somewhat hollow victory.
Having said that it is nothing against or for either teams, this is, once again, a Blizzard problem. They didn't have the time/resources to clean up the broken things that allowed Echo to pull ahead and get their earlier experience on Sylvannus.
Still great race, but it's sad that one team played within what the raid was intended while another was just looking for bugs for an advantage.
Great vid Prach, keep up the good content. :)
I feel like 90% of the people who watched do not understand just how much better Echo played this tier. It was not very close.
NA and EU get the same time to raid before the reset, but NA is 16 hours ahead. This is an advantage for NA, but can also be an advantage to EU as they don't have to bug test any of the earlier bosses / can copy strats. There are many factors at play here, depending on boss tuning and which region is ahead. This time however Echo was ahead for every boss since Painsmith except one (Fatescribe), and Limit did not have to bug test any bosses. Echo gave Limit a strat for KT despite Limit having a 16 hour head start. They have both the 16 hour head start and the fact that they gave away strats working against them, worst of both worlds.
In this case though, Limit got every possible advantage and still lost.When Limit got their 0,4 % wipe, it was on their last few hours before the reset. To compare that to the EU reset window: it would've been the same for them if they got their wipe 16 hours later, at 3 AM CEST on Wednesday. Limit would have already gotten their reset at that point and would be well into their reset (10 AM their time) and be doing heroic splits for gems.
There's a reason Echo killed it in 40 fewer pulls, without getting the reset gear.
You're free to be biased to one of the guilds, but at least be fair enough to admit when you got heavily outperformed. Echo lost heavily to Limit in Ny'alotha, Limit lost heavily in Sanctum.
First time watching the race and loved every part of it. It's amazing the level of okay of every guild participating but man Echo and Limit are at whole different level.
I just have a question about the global release and the time difference. Does the RWF takes that into account? Like If an American guild kills last boss in their 8th day while Europe kills in their 8th too but took less hours since raid opens, what happens?
On WowProgress and Raider. Io it would say Europ is #1, but in our hearths and mind we would know US killed it first, so all prestige and glory would go to US. There is 16h window where EU can catch up and kill final boss and be #1 on sites, but it dosent matter, we as a community would know who truly killed it first and we would count US as world first kill. Hope it explains
@@Kriple123 this is incorrect, whoever kills it first get first on the site. Region doesnt matter. This is the reason EU players are asking for global raid release
@@Kriple123 This is exactly the "confidently incorrect" thing Preach was talking about. WoWProgress and Raider.io track the kill time regardless of the difference between EU and USA. So if USA kills it before and EU kills it 1 min after US would still be 1st and the time difference of race start would not be taken into account. It has NEVER been taken into account so far and most EU raiders don't care that much although top raiders seem to be more and more interested about a global release as the race keeps ending closer and closer.
They really need too sort out global release. The race was so much better when they're so close.
if this is your euro 2020 then
its coming home
Max has stated numerous times that if the last boss dies week 1 echos 14 hours split are the optimal choice.
But historically the last boss falls over week 2 giving na a massive advantage, and he would then rather have had 7 hours of practice on the bosses instead.
I think the best thing we all got from this race is the endless amount of Roger memes. PoggerRogger
We all knew echo was capable of winning world first but its another thing entirely to actually do it. Big congrats to them.
This race was decided by less than half of a percent of the bosses health. Thats how freaking close this was. One of the worst raids made one of the best races.
Also fuck blizzard.
Part of the reason limit didn't do extra splits because they had assumed it was gonna require a reset. Also big shout out to Pieces, their world 3rd was a huge statement to the other guilds gunning for world 3rd
nice report preach! Thank you
1st RWF race I ever watched
Watched limit maxes stream the entire time until I heard preach was on the echo steam.... And it seemed like me and 20k others switched channels to echo as well
SUCK IT MARS Earth won again!
First thing I do on twitch is turn off the chat. No toxicity when you don't engage with that.
I wish they streamed on youtube, the twitch video player is disgusting
I watch gingi and max and love both their streams and points of views on the world first race both are amazingly entertaining in their own ways! I typically dont read their chats but I had a glance at them hearing all this and it seems so childish like literal children typing lol I dont need the chat to enjoy the race and probably wont ever so good entertainment for me always :)
I can't think of it as the best race up to now, due to how disappointing the tuning of the raid dungeon was. Painsmith, now that all is done, seems more like an omission from the developers' part rather than an intentionally extremely hard encounter. If the rest of the bosses were progressively harder, with Sylvanas being a few steps ahead even; making every one of the latter half of the encounters a major accomplishment; that would have made for an amazing race. Having said that, the race itself, with its ups and downs, and the way streaming allows us to follow, was very enjoyable. And of course the top guilds are at such an otherworldly level of performance, inside and outside of the raid, it's almost overwhelmingly impressive.
Any comment on the healing situation Mike? You mentioned it when you were talking of problems that tier and I'd like to hear a video on this topic. It's a weird situation to be in where only 2 healing specs are worth it.
It's normal. In the world first race, even a 0.1% difference in spec performance means some specs are left in the dust. Of course it is not that balanced right now lol, but the result would be the same.
The most heartbreaking thing for me was when Limit has the absolutely amazing pull- gets an insane 76.8%% push into P3... And then Nori DCs. Was easily a kill
inspirational Mike is inspirational
It was so close, I'm glad Echo won but I think they took a huge risk going to bed early the night before their kill, Limit were very close to get the world first
Great video as always, just wanted drop in and say the hair plugs look great mate!
Hope to see you next tier mate
1:41 OH REALLY, MICHAEL? :V
One don't cook a cake, you bake a cake 🎂🤯
Was super great! Love the race and even tho the home team lost; Echo deserved it!
Didn't Roger say they spent like 500-600 mln gold in total? Limit spent around 300 mln?
Reading chat is not my jam. I would have no clue if someone was being toxic.
Thanks Chris.
Yeah go EUuuuuuuuuuuu :D. I think it's okay to have a favorit team for whatever reason u please (region, name, vibe idk) as long as it's fairly civil + space for memes. Kinda like in sports I guess.
The best race so far. I agree with the player streams. As a Priest/Pala main I sat in Zaelia&Jeath’s stream. To watch their pov and have most likely other priest/pala mains who will help answer questions if the streamer cant :)
The race was so good I resubbed after 7 years off just to play a few hours a month.
TRUTH
Glad to have you back!
I feel like you completely ignored the shard of domination part of the gearing when talking about splits. split raiding can only do so much when you have the pure rng non tradeable item that has such an influence on character power. All grats to echo who I rooted for in the great push, hope limit wins the next race for world first.
I thought the toxicity section was going to be about people flaming the moonkins for being dead for 90% of limit’s progression. What a shame that flaming was. Anyone can make mistakes and be dead 90% of the raid. Doesn’t mean it’s okay to flame the trashcans.
"these people are angry.... because they were born in Europe"
what a troll, 🤣🤣🤣🤣, wow, actually teared up laughing at this. GG Mike
I mean... he's not wrong. You could be born French :O
Player stream chats are so so different from the main channels.
I totally get not wanting to cast with the healing still ongoing, I would hope that if you wanted to that it was a non-issue.
Thanks for keeping the title positive. So many people jump on the negative click-bait bullshit. Had to unsub from a few. Criticize Blizzard for everything that is wrong, but this RWF and this raid is not one of those things. The raid is great. They missed the mark with a few tuning knobs, but overall it's very enjoyable, and the race was great.
I mean Eternal Palace seems long ago but basically these guys were only not the top dogs for two tiers.
When Limit had those 2 god pulls of sub 1% wipes I thought they would win but they clearly got fatigued and couldn't repeat that performance.
The dc that limit had was painful to watch, because that would have been a kill
I can't believe they tried to cheese the Sylvanas Mythic mechanic lol. So Blizzard said "no! You will kill this add or it will wipe you"
Blizzard changing it mid race was absolutely horrible. Like changing the course of a race track while it's getting driven cause the organisers don't like a shorter turn than intended.
Hell yea won’t have to hear echo baby rage woo fun but won’t talk about that here
A small part of me chooses to believe that Echo took it because they had an unholy DK in their comp. :3
the preach speech to the raiders was very cringe i agree.
Was an amazing race
Hey Mike, I think there's something fucky with youtube at the moment, I have the bell clicked and none of your videos are popping up for me
I only open Twitch chat to click my collect points button then close chat.
Ok, so I get how people are upset about how the Shards of Domination works. But to be honest, isn't it pretty close to how tier-sets work. And people are begging for them to come back?
Split raiding should be banned from RWF, if you have to rely on your viewers and followers to win then the team itself is not actually winning when gear is being funneled to them, effectively they are being boosted.
Is anyone gonna talk about max channel had more viewers than entire cs go channel
Did they get some nice loot after all the effort everyone one of them put in . Be in limit, echo whoever was part of the race . All deserve the most bis purp's lol
Loot doesn't matter aftet the progression is over.
You'll get everything eventually when you're on farm.
Business-wise and cynically, this would be a real good time for Riot to step up with some news. People are both excited for raiding and wanting to leave Blizzard... Or would it seem insensitive and it's just wishful thinking on my part?
Think it's way too early for them to reveal anything about the MMO they're working on (that and I think a lotta people would see through it and mention the shit going on with them too, more specifically the allegations against CEO Nicolo Laurent)
As a viewer I think the raid was quite good. Just wish some of the bosses had been tuned harder because it felt like they were interesting fights that were over way too soon.
I think it was actually perfect, had it just taken slightly longer, it would've been after reset and then the fight would've been very unfair.
@@aure6898 I agree that the race lasted just as long as needed. Would've been really disappointing if Limit had gotten WF right after reset..seeing how they 1-shot it..