Sherman are an all rounder , it's good but never great, the Panzer 4 only excelled in speed and firepower , the armor is flat which means it's virtally paper thin for most enemies even for the G variant compairing to the sherman which has sloped which even though increases the armor effectiveness also decreases the incoming shell's penetration capabilities a little bit which makes the M4A1 a good tank against most enemy at that BR but the A1 variant has the cast hull which exposed the 38mm side armour to even the most lightly armed vehicle, the Panzer 4 on the other hand can destroy any tank frontally with it's HV gun but lack stabiliser which means it's bad at close quarter, but experience players can compensate this weakness by timing their shot once the reticle lined up with the target. so i'd recommend laying the M4A3 instead which eliminates the cast turret of the M4A1 and the flat faced armor of Radio op and driver on the M4A2
@@ArustwatDaGoat (RB) is all about finding your best spot on each map early and evolving your gameplay around this location. Your optimal spot is watching 2 highly contestet zones and has a good back door. Midgame if you feel like 1 flank is opening from your spot appreach carefully to keep pressure, listen to close enemys and move slowly further. Always imagine where the enemy would drive, than dont drive there but search for a position thats watching that spot from an favorable angle.
@WhatsTheMatter wdym by that i mean what i said in the sense that the match ups are odd to say the least and the fact that they are so unpredictable with the scripting of which tank should win even tho in so many scenarios it’s quite obvious which one is superior.
@@whatsthematter8767 ok yeah i think that’s my stupid auto correct i got to school in french so my ipad keyboard is in french and when i write in english it really doesn’t seem to like it idk why because on my computer it’s able to distinguish what language i am writing in.
Smoke wouldn't have been useful in the third round. Its like 4kmh reverse or something? Plus they were super close so all snoke would do would be harder to hit a weak point but the sherman can destroy it almost anywhere anyway
Suggestion: It could be interesting to compare the result of the duel versus the real statistics in game.For example if the sherman is wining in this episode, what says the stats recorded by Gaijin? How many Panzer IV F2 knocked out by a M4A1 and how many M4A1 knocked out by Panzer IV F2. It could be funny to compare, and probably helps the owner to better use their tank...
@@emergency_broadcast_system I play us, german, and ussr. When I use f2 or G, Im never afraid of sherman or any us tank at that rank. But what Im afraid of is turan (italian tank), that thing has a very good armour. edit: to be honest either the sherman or f2, I think it depends on your preference. For me Personally, I rather choose to have a gun with a great penetration (high chance of 1 shot kill everytime). Although If you like the nimble sherman you can go for it, it has a good stabilizer and for m4a2 you can angled it and it will turn you into a 4.0 br tiger. For my playstyle in that rank, I would run with m4a2 and m10 for my main tank
@@flameraker6824 Not realy as soon as it has to fight t34, or other tanks with good amor the panzer 4 is better. I like both tanks realy much with the Sherman you can tank much and have a strong gun but i like the pz.4 more cause of his gun wich can easily one shot any tank at his br or even up(excepted for kv1 and 2 )
But in the end the driver decides. Like seen in the video. If the panzer 4 woud have joust moved to an good sniping position and waited there for the Sherman he woud have won.
I like the concept of this series and i've watched it, but i will say it would benefit if the commentry was a little less cringe. Im excited for the naxt season anyway.
They are not enough pauses between every "motivational" shout out they did to hype up the fight, it even decreased the immersion and exictement by overdoing the commentary. Like they were commenting after every single breath they took
Even though both are very different in how they play, both tanks are amazing tanks. I’ve said it before in the previous episodes, I’m a German main and love the Pz.IV F2, with its amazing cannon, nice maneuverability and a great sniper. Besides the 76 model, the M4A1 75 is my favorite American Sherman. It’s really good at close range and does a nice job at bouncing, scooting and shooting and a good enough gun to brawl with. I totally agree that the Sherman can win most engagements as while the panzer is great, it’s only real trump card is that it punches at long range. The Sherman just does everything else better. Great way to end the season
@@andrewtibbetts2695 I think it’s always been able to be penned by a Russian 57mm. The armor is weird on shermans. I’ve bounced 88mm tiger 1 shots point blank in a m4a1 76. Without an angle.
Really balanced battle, altough it doesn't mean anything. The first match told us something about the capabilities of the vehicles, but the 3rd is...ehh that's the part that I can't understand. I'm not a pro player but I would never ever open fire on the move not just with a Panzer IV but with any WW2 era vehicles. It wasn't about the tanks. That bad deccision decided the match. I'm sure if the German commander is more patient now we would celebrate a German victory. But I have to admit this was the most exciting tank versus. I can't wait for the next season.
The german commander panicked. What he tried to do was understandable since you shouldn't be all too patient when you're opponent is stablized and right in front of you. Always try to take the first shot
@@Eire_Aontaithe I do panic a lot. But I would never shoot right in the move. There was a nice stone if I remember right. He could try side scraping behind it. I mean this is what I would do. But that freakin' .50-cal just saved the ass of the Sherman.
@@cyberarchitect9280 Side scraping is dangerouns with the Panzer 4. The armor is just too weak, you might get shot in the turret before fully peeking the enemy
@@Eire_Aontaithe Yeah I know, but better than fire in the move. It worked for me a few times (okay I've been wiped out but not by that thank that I tortured). Or how about hiding behind the rock with engine turned off?
The fact the M4 used it’s machine guns to knock out the Pz. IV’s tracks was the best. That’s how M4 players dominate, using the mighty M2 to immobilize their enemies.
most germans don't angle their tigers. Before the 76 Jumbo was moved up, I just drove around and clicking at tiger's front plate. they could have at least angled the hull and stopped my first shot, or go for my track and barrel. When you face a good tiger player, it is really tough to knock out, unless you drive a long-90mm pershing With the 75 sherman, I cannot reliably one-shot a tiger, neither can they shoot me in the front. But the tiger can delete every one of my teammate and I can't even knock out a panzer IV reliably.
@@yuxuanhuang3523 I can shoot a jumbo's barrel with a 128mm or a 122mm and have a perfectly perpendicular impact, it will still homerun the shell like a tennis ball In the other hand if any jumbo shoots at the track they knock out the barrel It's just how it works I don't blame the skissuefull Germains for crying out on jumbos lmao
@@rav3727 " we have the best physics" yeah right... The Jumbo is good against germans, but not russians. The gun is just too bad for the BR, I none-pen KV1 over and over until they finally get the MG port on my tank. It is just a big sherman so flanking is more fun than head-on with tigers
The f2 has a good gun yes, the Sherman has a pretty decent gun too, but the Sherman has a stabilizer and can be very deadly at CQC, as shown. I’ve played them both and like them both, to me, the panzer 4s are better at long range than the 75mm shermans, but the shermans are better at urban combat cause of the stabilizer
@@thevortex6754 well, i also played both of them for pretty long time and F2 is more capable at any range because it can pen everyone in front. Sherman is also a good tank but it lacks penetration power
@@ps4_gamer that it true, I have had issues penning a panzer 4 H when it’s angles like a tiger, and the T-34 ain’t fun to fight anymore cause my old tactic of taking out the breech don’t work anymore for some reason. But I’ve had more good games with my Shermans than my panzer 4s, just a matter of preference and skill I guess
The Sherman wins this? Who's playing the game? Obviously the Panzer IV F2 is by far superior in every aspect! I scored so many kills with the F2, even against higher BR due to the great KWK Gun.
Anyone who played Germany religiously in Company of Heroes 2 should know how important Panzer Iv was in holding the line against T34 and KV1 until more powerful tanks like Panther arrived to change the tide.
I’d say that for either one to win it would have to be where the location of the battle takes place or the range between them. I would say that the Pz lV would win in a long distance engagement while the M4A1 would win at a close engagement. It could also depend on who is driving the tank
Maybe if the Panzer IV F2 did what a Panzer IV F2 should do, play conservatively, reduce the profile shown to the enemy, snipe and be sure to get the first shot right, it would have won. But it instead it relied on brute strength and rushing the enemy, then backtracking meekly when in trouble.
it really should have won, you can even bounce shots from that sherman if you actually tried. basically this panzer iv was played by one of the "I am invincible" players. not a smart one
Great tanks, unfair rounds. Obviously mid to short range will be dominated by the Sherman, but try fighting at 800+ meters? Anyhow, its been a great first season, hopefully there will be evolution to 3 tanks vs each other🤣
Actual fighting distance for WW2 era tanks were around 300 to 500 meters so 800+ meters doesn't even make sense. Also Sherman performs much better in the distance (as it had better crew comfort and optics but these arent represented in-game) because it has the armor advantage. Shermans shells can penetrate the Panzer IV even from a kilometer away but the Panzer IV starts to struggle after 500 meters, because Panzer IV has paper thin armor (50mms flat in front turret and upper front plate, also 20mm middle front plate) while the Sherman has up to 100mm of effective armor, 140mm if you include gun mantlet.
@@yamatokurusaki5790 Panzer IV's gun is %30 percent better at penetration, Sherman has more than double the armor of the Panzer IV. Do a quick math. Or just look at the penetration tables.
@@mnd9166 All fantastic statistics mate. I'd prefer a Pz4 G before I get in a Sherman. Yes, its comfy, but soon you will learn what reality is, being Cooked and not even knowing where the shot came from, because actual fighting distance for ww2 era tanks is only 300 to 500 metres. It is a fantastic piece of machine that won the war, but the Panzer was already effective before the Sherman was even in conception. In this game, the Sherman is a great force. But, read the reports closely of actual battles and the losses British and American forces suffered with the M4A1. Its not as fantastic as the victors of WW2 and the cold war make it out to be. I wonder why the Panther tank was so renowned? Check its real life reports and especially those who fought against it's after action reports.
@@SRC2387 The first time Panzer IV's had the actual long barreled 75mm gun, Sherman was a conception and was being developed. Panzer IV was one of the most unreliable tanks of WW2 as it was a tank designed to be 16tons but ended up being 28+ tons, therefore many things like suspension breaking frequently. Optics in Sherman were better so your chances of getting the first shot aswell as seeing where you were shot from would be easier. Also check the crew survival rates for both tanks, germans had it so low.
Day 2 of asking gaijin The italian 6.3 FIAT can float (amphibious) but can't shoot in water even though the gun is above water and defeats the purpose of it being amphibious
Hi, since it is coming a new update i think you can make it like if we die nid in the bad network connection signal we don’t need to pay the rapaircost. Thank you for reading this!
scenario 2: a tank behind building vs a tank on the open street, i wonder who is going to win? Scenario 3: Pz iv didnt even turn its turret. All in all pz iv survived 2 direct hits without damage, sherman survived because building got hit. Pz iv has same front hull armor as sherman, has way better gun and is faster forwards and backwards (while having less horsepower). Dont need the stabilizer if you know what your doing. Only disadvantage is that sherman has better turret armor. Summa summarum: Pz IV is easily the better tank .
I got a higher k/d ratio on the Panzer 4 but a higher win rate with the Sherman. Both are great tanks, if played by skilled players. I think the highest kills I did with the panzer 4 is 12 kills but average 4 to 6 per game. With the Sherman, I average 3 to 6 but the highest kills I made with the Sherman is 9 I believe.
Why tf did the panzer never used smokes??!?? And why did you invent this new $&!t way of compering tanks, the shooting range method was wayyyy better ( it showed armor specifications, shell types AND DIDN'T compare tanks with made up scenarios (JUST DO A TANK TRIATHLON LIKE IN THE SHOOTING RANGE))
so the pzIV didn't get the memo on round 2 so he fired on the move again in round 3. What a load. You can argue that they knew even in round 2 not to fire on the move. What a cop out.
Yo war thunder when are you going to buff T33 on the Pershing to pen the panther’s upper front plate at 500 meters away which the shell was specifically made to do. Why is the Pershing’s gun so low in pen
Great show. Would like to see more of it for sure. I think it would be cool to make them 2v2 or 3v3 similar to Spike's "Deadliest Warrior". Tanks don't really do 1v1 in real life and tactics are key. Also longer battles. Maybe best of 5 instead to give teams a chance.
Gaijin, I need an explanation about ARB, You guys have to top tier a large map's and put all in one place, bases, ground units, etc. You guys can separate all on the map. we have Jets engines, not propeller engines? Sometimes, we want to accomplish missions that only have a role strike in ARB, but it is hard when we have everything in one spot where other players are locking us with sparrow at the start of the match.
I know 2 two thing wikipedia is not a data bibel, and this 2 tank meet each othoer on the field. BUT the sherman was built knowing the pz 4, and knowing the american need specs (delivering, and maintaining far-far away from the original factorys). The PZ4 is a war veteran started planing in 1934 the first used serie is 1942 in this time shokingly many things changed just the combustion engine alone have big jump, the guns get obsolite even on the first version 1 year later. The F2 variant was the best economicly posible, we made this exist G,H,J version to white stronger front armor, different gun.... The M4 after the M3 "disaster" in 1940 (6 year later as pz4) after some captured german, italian, japanes tnaks and shared english studies the m4 role out of the factories. close enough to m3 to mass produce, modular enough, maintain and delivery inclusive and get ont field in 1942 (the pz4 modified to F2 not new from base) the first was not to bad, just not enough again a new a german tanks. (in 1944 and i know different doctrine from different nations.)*
@@Callsign_Merkava yes 7,5 cm StuK 40 L/43 3281 mm (129,2 pulgadas) Pzgr.Ptr.39 740 m/s (2400 pies/s) 99 mm (3,9 pulgadas) 91 mm (3,6 pulgadas) 82 mm (3,2 pulgadas) 72 mm (2,8 pulgadas) 63 mm (2,5 pulgadas)
One day I'm gonna afford me one of them expensive vehicles so I can have a huge advantage in a game that's definitely not pay to win because actually working your way up thru many hours of gameplay is inferior to paying your way to the top. Just glad it's definitely not pay to win. For those that don't pay.
Pz iv is good for long range map because that long barrel, but in sherman u can use for the ambush position with good stablizer, i think just play lilbit slow and dont to much agresive.
It'd be nice if the Shermans and American midtier tanks in general worked as good as this tank versus. anything above 3.3 and your as good as dead till maybe 6.3
Well the M4 won cause it has 2 stupid things in WT that never existed , first a stabilizer were you can shoot on the move . That was just a gyro to help getting the gun a little faster on target when you stop and there was no stabilized gun sight . This is not how stabilizers work . And second a .50cal that shred tracks with 3 hits while nobody is up there to shoot it , get your commander out like a M18 does . I like both tanks , shoot on the move is a cool thing and a 75mm KwK 40 also . Why not have both things in one tank ? XD
depends upon liking of the player if the player wants a big and acurrate gun than the pz 4 is the best choice in the tier otherwise if you want mobility and turret turn rate then the m1 is better
If you actually use the cruse control on the Sherman you can really take advantage of the gunstablizer.
I use cruise control on every tank lmao my controller kinda dead
Or literally just put it in manual
i just do since im pretty lazy
I've used both the M4A1 and the Pz IV F2 in RB and got consistent 12 kill games in a good mood, they're both super effective Tanks
Sherman are an all rounder , it's good but never great, the Panzer 4 only excelled in speed and firepower , the armor is flat which means it's virtally paper thin for most enemies even for the G variant compairing to the sherman which has sloped which even though increases the armor effectiveness also decreases the incoming shell's penetration capabilities a little bit which makes the M4A1 a good tank against most enemy at that BR but the A1 variant has the cast hull which exposed the 38mm side armour to even the most lightly armed vehicle, the Panzer 4 on the other hand can destroy any tank frontally with it's HV gun but lack stabiliser which means it's bad at close quarter, but experience players can compensate this weakness by timing their shot once the reticle lined up with the target. so i'd recommend laying the M4A3 instead which eliminates the cast turret of the M4A1 and the flat faced armor of Radio op and driver on the M4A2
how do you get 12 kills in RB ? I struggled to get past 4
@@ArustwatDaGoat (RB) is all about finding your best spot on each map early and evolving your gameplay around this location.
Your optimal spot is watching 2 highly contestet zones and has a good back door.
Midgame if you feel like 1 flank is opening from your spot appreach carefully to keep pressure, listen to close enemys and move slowly further.
Always imagine where the enemy would drive, than dont drive there but search for a position thats watching that spot from an favorable angle.
@@oOScrabbOo say that the map is really open with hills and i'm using the 75 Jumbo, how do I counter those sniping tigers and panthers ?
@@ArustwatDaGoat jumbo front armor is immune to Panther and Tiger I shots (except for MG port of course, but it’s only hittable at close range)
at least they got the “most unpredictable show” part right.
Looks like you didn't though lmao.
Well they are right the Sherman in war thunder would dominate the panzer in close combat
@WhatsTheMatter wdym by that i mean what i said in the sense that the match ups are odd to say the least and the fact that they are so unpredictable with the scripting of which tank should win even tho in so many scenarios it’s quite obvious which one is superior.
@@n1co2017 ah, I was commenting on your misspelling of the word "unpredictable"
@@whatsthematter8767 ok yeah i think that’s my stupid auto correct i got to school in french so my ipad keyboard is in french and when i write in english it really doesn’t seem to like it idk why because on my computer it’s able to distinguish what language i am writing in.
Both tanks good for their be 👍just depends on the skill of the player
Also depend on the purpose, IVf2 for mid-long range and Sherman for mele combat
If it depends on the skill then the panzer will be losing atleast 70% of the battles
Yes and no ....sometimes people pay to win and use premium to compensate for skills using op tanks.
@@rav3727 with experienced players or newcomers
@@ClownAsleep m4 just starts randomly stabbing other tanks XDDD
Pz iv f2 never used smoke. Seems the crew just forgot to load them. It could had made a difference on round 2 or harder on round 3.
i disagree with how it played out the camping tactic aint fair tbh
i still hate the fact that they made 50.cals able to destroy tracks so fast
Smoke wouldn't have been useful in the third round. Its like 4kmh reverse or something? Plus they were super close so all snoke would do would be harder to hit a weak point but the sherman can destroy it almost anywhere anyway
They also had the Sherman sit out in the open and try to snipe with it's short 75 while showing it's side to the enemy
@@yamatokurusaki5790 it is a 50 cal, it certainly could tear a track to shreds. But it still needs a nerf.
@@yamatokurusaki5790 German main?
Suggestion: It could be interesting to compare the result of the duel versus the real statistics in game.For example if the sherman is wining in this episode, what says the stats recorded by Gaijin? How many Panzer IV F2 knocked out by a M4A1 and how many M4A1 knocked out by Panzer IV F2. It could be funny to compare, and probably helps the owner to better use their tank...
This is a really good idea
You'd expose how bad german mains are though
@@emergency_broadcast_system I play us, german, and ussr. When I use f2 or G, Im never afraid of sherman or any us tank at that rank. But what Im afraid of is turan (italian tank), that thing has a very good armour.
edit: to be honest either the sherman or f2, I think it depends on your preference. For me Personally, I rather choose to have a gun with a great penetration (high chance of 1 shot kill everytime). Although If you like the nimble sherman you can go for it, it has a good stabilizer and for m4a2 you can angled it and it will turn you into a 4.0 br tiger. For my playstyle in that rank, I would run with m4a2 and m10 for my main tank
This one takes the cake for "It should have been easily one-sided yet the weaker tank won" of all the Tank versus episodes
Why is the sherman the weaker tank?
It is objectively a better tank both irl and in wt
@@flameraker6824 Not realy as soon as it has to fight t34, or other tanks with good amor the panzer 4 is better. I like both tanks realy much with the Sherman you can tank much and have a strong gun but i like the pz.4 more cause of his gun wich can easily one shot any tank at his br or even up(excepted for kv1 and 2 )
@@viggobeste9100 the Panzer 4s gun can easily one-shot a kv-1 or 2, if it pens the right spot
But in the end the driver decides. Like seen in the video. If the panzer 4 woud have joust moved to an good sniping position and waited there for the Sherman he woud have won.
Nah i think the leo-1 vs m60a2 was more surprising
I like the concept of this series and i've watched it, but i will say it would benefit if the commentry was a little less cringe. Im excited for the naxt season anyway.
They are not enough pauses between every "motivational" shout out they did to hype up the fight, it even decreased the immersion and exictement by overdoing the commentary. Like they were commenting after every single breath they took
The 50 cal are always so useful
killing light and tracking heavy, kills from land to air to sea, especially when got caught in a pinch
Intro tank duel!
M26 Pershing vs Panther F
The panzer pilot needs a lot of trainning
Pilot?
You mean Admiral?
@@fareazy3239 isn't Admiral for the Navy? If im not wrong it should be Commander.
@@Dan-eh2ui but commander is a rank in the navy.
The driver needs training
Even though both are very different in how they play, both tanks are amazing tanks. I’ve said it before in the previous episodes, I’m a German main and love the Pz.IV F2, with its amazing cannon, nice maneuverability and a great sniper. Besides the 76 model, the M4A1 75 is my favorite American Sherman. It’s really good at close range and does a nice job at bouncing, scooting and shooting and a good enough gun to brawl with. I totally agree that the Sherman can win most engagements as while the panzer is great, it’s only real trump card is that it punches at long range. The Sherman just does everything else better. Great way to end the season
Sad thing is they recently nerfed the Sherman so the front plate can get penetrated by T-34s (not just 57mm) at 200m or less if it isn't angled
@@andrewtibbetts2695 I think it’s always been able to be penned by a Russian 57mm. The armor is weird on shermans. I’ve bounced 88mm tiger 1 shots point blank in a m4a1 76. Without an angle.
@@Sturmgechu yeah the 57mm is op xD.
My onley problem with playing the Sherman is it’s one shot everywhere Evan in the front you just have to hope that your opponent is a bad shot
Evan... who is Evan?
"onley"
@@Eire_Aontaithe 🤓
@@Eire_Aontaithe even, autocorrect
until you play a minor nation then early m4s are hell to fight
Really balanced battle, altough it doesn't mean anything. The first match told us something about the capabilities of the vehicles, but the 3rd is...ehh that's the part that I can't understand. I'm not a pro player but I would never ever open fire on the move not just with a Panzer IV but with any WW2 era vehicles. It wasn't about the tanks. That bad deccision decided the match. I'm sure if the German commander is more patient now we would celebrate a German victory. But I have to admit this was the most exciting tank versus. I can't wait for the next season.
The german commander panicked. What he tried to do was understandable since you shouldn't be all too patient when you're opponent is stablized and right in front of you. Always try to take the first shot
@@Eire_Aontaithe I do panic a lot. But I would never shoot right in the move. There was a nice stone if I remember right. He could try side scraping behind it. I mean this is what I would do. But that freakin' .50-cal just saved the ass of the Sherman.
@@cyberarchitect9280 Side scraping is dangerouns with the Panzer 4. The armor is just too weak, you might get shot in the turret before fully peeking the enemy
@@Eire_Aontaithe Yeah I know, but better than fire in the move. It worked for me a few times (okay I've been wiped out but not by that thank that I tortured). Or how about hiding behind the rock with engine turned off?
@@cyberarchitect9280 Yeah. An ambush is the best tactic when using the PZ 4 at close range
The fact the M4 used it’s machine guns to knock out the Pz. IV’s tracks was the best. That’s how M4 players dominate, using the mighty M2 to immobilize their enemies.
In reality AB battle;
M4A3, M4A4, M4A5 vs Panzer IV F2
I beg of you, do one for the M4A3E2 and the Tiger H. I want to know by what machinations they justify those BR placements.
most germans don't angle their tigers. Before the 76 Jumbo was moved up, I just drove around and clicking at tiger's front plate. they could have at least angled the hull and stopped my first shot, or go for my track and barrel.
When you face a good tiger player, it is really tough to knock out, unless you drive a long-90mm pershing
With the 75 sherman, I cannot reliably one-shot a tiger, neither can they shoot me in the front. But the tiger can delete every one of my teammate and I can't even knock out a panzer IV reliably.
That one is clear because of that giant chimney on top but i would choose E instead of H for better balance
@@yuxuanhuang3523
I can shoot a jumbo's barrel with a 128mm or a 122mm and have a perfectly perpendicular impact, it will still homerun the shell like a tennis ball
In the other hand if any jumbo shoots at the track they knock out the barrel
It's just how it works
I don't blame the skissuefull Germains for crying out on jumbos lmao
@@rav3727 Wait a second, your saying that a 75mm shell hit your track and then damaged your barrel at the same time?
@@rav3727 " we have the best physics" yeah right...
The Jumbo is good against germans, but not russians. The gun is just too bad for the BR, I none-pen KV1 over and over until they finally get the MG port on my tank.
It is just a big sherman so flanking is more fun than head-on with tigers
Still cannot play the Sherman to save my life. I get penned from everywhere
Nah, i know F2. It's an excellent tank at both close and far ranges. Also you should consider F2's super strong gun that dominates battlefield.
The f2 has a good gun yes, the Sherman has a pretty decent gun too, but the Sherman has a stabilizer and can be very deadly at CQC, as shown. I’ve played them both and like them both, to me, the panzer 4s are better at long range than the 75mm shermans, but the shermans are better at urban combat cause of the stabilizer
@@thevortex6754 well, i also played both of them for pretty long time and F2 is more capable at any range because it can pen everyone in front. Sherman is also a good tank but it lacks penetration power
@@ps4_gamer that it true, I have had issues penning a panzer 4 H when it’s angles like a tiger, and the T-34 ain’t fun to fight anymore cause my old tactic of taking out the breech don’t work anymore for some reason. But I’ve had more good games with my Shermans than my panzer 4s, just a matter of preference and skill I guess
Accept it bro, the sherman is superior
The Sherman wins this?
Who's playing the game? Obviously the Panzer IV F2 is by far superior in every aspect!
I scored so many kills with the F2, even against higher BR due to the great KWK Gun.
Anyone who played Germany religiously in Company of Heroes 2 should know how important Panzer Iv was in holding the line against T34 and KV1 until more powerful tanks like Panther arrived to change the tide.
How do you raise/lower side flaps on the italian Breda 501
is there going to be season 2?
I'm just waiting for a match between the Jumbo 76 and Tiger 1
The player for the Sherman did good in the end, but in the beginning he was braindead for angling an m4a1
I’d say that for either one to win it would have to be where the location of the battle takes place or the range between them. I would say that the Pz lV would win in a long distance engagement while the M4A1 would win at a close engagement. It could also depend on who is driving the tank
Funny how you say unpredictable, yet i predicted it with ease
I admit every other Sherman I’ve played was good but the M4A1 was the tank that I struggled
yeah you couldn't angle at close range because the enemy could just shoot your 38mm side plate.
I have a question about the type 74 tanks. Is the IR floodlight functional and if yes what is the usage of it?
It would also be cool having a tank versus video between the kv-2 or fv-4005 vs the sturmtiger
Before I went into the video I thought the F2 should win
Maybe if the Panzer IV F2 did what a Panzer IV F2 should do, play conservatively, reduce the profile shown to the enemy, snipe and be sure to get the first shot right, it would have won. But it instead it relied on brute strength and rushing the enemy, then backtracking meekly when in trouble.
it really should have won, you can even bounce shots from that sherman if you actually tried. basically this panzer iv was played by one of the "I am invincible" players. not a smart one
Why didnt the sherman move in the first round to use its stabiliser
Why did the panzer 4 in the second and third round only shoot from the move it just makes no sense.
Its scripted they literally met each other in every episode on exactly same spot spoting each other ať the same time
Ah yes a shot on the hull directly makes the "transmission" die
always exciting to see a new episode!
Great tanks, unfair rounds. Obviously mid to short range will be dominated by the Sherman, but try fighting at 800+ meters? Anyhow, its been a great first season, hopefully there will be evolution to 3 tanks vs each other🤣
Actual fighting distance for WW2 era tanks were around 300 to 500 meters so 800+ meters doesn't even make sense. Also Sherman performs much better in the distance (as it had better crew comfort and optics but these arent represented in-game) because it has the armor advantage. Shermans shells can penetrate the Panzer IV even from a kilometer away but the Panzer IV starts to struggle after 500 meters, because Panzer IV has paper thin armor (50mms flat in front turret and upper front plate, also 20mm middle front plate) while the Sherman has up to 100mm of effective armor, 140mm if you include gun mantlet.
@@mnd9166 ah i see you dont know nothing about tank battles cool
F2 has weak armor but better gun so it is better at distance
@@yamatokurusaki5790 Panzer IV's gun is %30 percent better at penetration, Sherman has more than double the armor of the Panzer IV. Do a quick math. Or just look at the penetration tables.
@@mnd9166 All fantastic statistics mate. I'd prefer a Pz4 G before I get in a Sherman. Yes, its comfy, but soon you will learn what reality is, being Cooked and not even knowing where the shot came from, because actual fighting distance for ww2 era tanks is only 300 to 500 metres. It is a fantastic piece of machine that won the war, but the Panzer was already effective before the Sherman was even in conception. In this game, the Sherman is a great force. But, read the reports closely of actual battles and the losses British and American forces suffered with the M4A1. Its not as fantastic as the victors of WW2 and the cold war make it out to be. I wonder why the Panther tank was so renowned? Check its real life reports and especially those who fought against it's after action reports.
@@SRC2387 The first time Panzer IV's had the actual long barreled 75mm gun, Sherman was a conception and was being developed. Panzer IV was one of the most unreliable tanks of WW2 as it was a tank designed to be 16tons but ended up being 28+ tons, therefore many things like suspension breaking frequently. Optics in Sherman were better so your chances of getting the first shot aswell as seeing where you were shot from would be easier. Also check the crew survival rates for both tanks, germans had it so low.
when new video of this series??
I see that coming. The Pz has a much better gun, but I suppose DM4 has a better round. Can't forget about the 50 cal of freedom
Day 2 of asking gaijin
The italian 6.3 FIAT can float (amphibious) but can't shoot in water even though the gun is above water and defeats the purpose of it being amphibious
Hi, since it is coming a new update i think you can make it like if we die nid in the bad network connection signal we don’t need to pay the rapaircost. Thank you for reading this!
scenario 2: a tank behind building vs a tank on the open street, i wonder who is going to win? Scenario 3: Pz iv didnt even turn its turret. All in all pz iv survived 2 direct hits without damage, sherman survived because building got hit. Pz iv has same front hull armor as sherman, has way better gun and is faster forwards and backwards (while having less horsepower). Dont need the stabilizer if you know what your doing. Only disadvantage is that sherman has better turret armor. Summa summarum: Pz IV is easily the better tank .
who drives the tanks for the tank duels? is it tank duelers or employees or what?
Honestly I think the panzer IV is the better tank
At long range yes, but at close range the Panzer IV is superior
I got a higher k/d ratio on the Panzer 4 but a higher win rate with the Sherman. Both are great tanks, if played by skilled players. I think the highest kills I did with the panzer 4 is 12 kills but average 4 to 6 per game. With the Sherman, I average 3 to 6 but the highest kills I made with the Sherman is 9 I believe.
Sherman is better at close quarters, Pz 4 is better at distance, there you go.. also the Pz 4F2 and G should go back to 3.7...
please do T-34E STZ vs Pz.IV J vs M4A2
Decent show, the commentary could use work. But this tends to show the skill of the operators more than the ability of the vehicles themselves.
i wish you would do more
Excellent. 👍
Really enjoying this series, but I sure would love to see it expanded to also cover plane, ship, and helicopter versus. 🤞
When is season 2 starting?
Why tf did the panzer never used smokes??!?? And why did you invent this new $&!t way of compering tanks, the shooting range method was wayyyy better ( it showed armor specifications, shell types AND DIDN'T compare tanks with made up scenarios (JUST DO A TANK TRIATHLON LIKE IN THE SHOOTING RANGE))
M1A1 AIM vs T80 UK / Leopard 2PL would be great!
agreed
Will be M 10 GMC vs Achilles?
I would like to see the m1A2sep VS T72B3
I loved the barn. I want one 1:02
so the pzIV didn't get the memo on round 2 so he fired on the move again in round 3. What a load. You can argue that they knew even in round 2 not to fire on the move. What a cop out.
I fed the snail today
Great series! Hope to see season two soon!
when is the next season?
Yo war thunder when are you going to buff T33 on the Pershing to pen the panther’s upper front plate at 500 meters away which the shell was specifically made to do. Why is the Pershing’s gun so low in pen
Great show. Would like to see more of it for sure. I think it would be cool to make them 2v2 or 3v3 similar to Spike's "Deadliest Warrior". Tanks don't really do 1v1 in real life and tactics are key. Also longer battles. Maybe best of 5 instead to give teams a chance.
The ghost firing the M2 helps always
It's supposed to be gunned by some infantry troop irl so just imagine a random private letting it rip on the browning
Gaijin, I need an explanation about ARB, You guys have to top tier a large map's and put all in one place, bases, ground units, etc. You guys can separate all on the map. we have Jets engines, not propeller engines? Sometimes, we want to accomplish missions that only have a role strike in ARB, but it is hard when we have everything in one spot where other players are locking us with sparrow at the start of the match.
Great, now all we need is versus for aircraft and naval.
Sturmpanzer vs Ho-Ro
Winners: 4 Americans (M1A2 Abrams, MBT-70, M60A2 Starship, M4A1 Sherman), 2 Germans (8.8 FLaK 37, Panzer III J1), & a Soviet (IS-2)
Me: heh, American Bias boi
I know 2 two thing wikipedia is not a data bibel, and this 2 tank meet each othoer on the field. BUT the sherman was built knowing the pz 4, and knowing the american need specs (delivering, and maintaining far-far away from the original factorys). The PZ4 is a war veteran started planing in 1934 the first used serie is 1942 in this time shokingly many things changed just the combustion engine alone have big jump, the guns get obsolite even on the first version 1 year later. The F2 variant was the best economicly posible, we made this exist G,H,J version to white stronger front armor, different gun.... The M4 after the M3 "disaster" in 1940 (6 year later as pz4) after some captured german, italian, japanes tnaks and shared english studies the m4 role out of the factories. close enough to m3 to mass produce, modular enough, maintain and delivery inclusive and get ont field in 1942 (the pz4 modified to F2 not new from base) the first was not to bad, just not enough again a new a german tanks. (in 1944 and i know different doctrine from different nations.)*
The Panzer IV is more agile/maneuverable than the Sherman.
Also do the T80UK on shooting range
a person litterally named sherman didn't narate the sherman side, what a waste of an occation
Tiger 2 vs Pershing would be cool to see
I love this season please make mor I really enjoy the suspense
Fun fact: the panzer iv gun has about as much penatration as the Russian 85 mm, and the American 76 mm.
No lol
@@Callsign_Merkava yes 7,5 cm StuK 40 L/43 3281 mm (129,2 pulgadas) Pzgr.Ptr.39 740 m/s (2400 pies/s) 99 mm (3,9 pulgadas) 91 mm (3,6 pulgadas) 82 mm (3,2 pulgadas) 72 mm (2,8 pulgadas) 63 mm (2,5 pulgadas)
It depends upon the commander 😂
One day I'm gonna afford me one of them expensive vehicles so I can have a huge advantage in a game that's definitely not pay to win because actually working your way up thru many hours of gameplay is inferior to paying your way to the top. Just glad it's definitely not pay to win. For those that don't pay.
they should call it disabled duel instead of tank vs
Pretty sure most numerous tank is the stug or pz3 which is also a stug
Really curious to how this one plays out.
I litterally thought the same. Did it satisfy you? Gotta say it didnt stand up to my curiosity
@@xforestx00 I'm satisfied that the American won
the last round should've ended with panzer4 victory (I would've taken that hill at the back and camped there with my gun depression)
Can i ask why did i receive a special pack????.Btw thank you!
Pz iv is good for long range map because that long barrel, but in sherman u can use for the ambush position with good stablizer, i think just play lilbit slow and dont to much agresive.
The sherman is my favourite tank of all time
both tanks are really good, when i play these tanks it usually results in high kill games
Nice science-fiction story lol
Nice crying you did there lol
I love sherman despite not having good armor, play it right and you get the w
Why didn't the panzer 4 use smoke
but even though the panzer has one track disabled, he can stiff move behind the cover with one track...
Hi i just want to say why cant the mig 29 cobra The thrust must make more power than the weight of the jet
It'd be nice if the Shermans and American midtier tanks in general worked as good as this tank versus. anything above 3.3 and your as good as dead till maybe 6.3
i like to call this show "the most biased 1v1 match in warthunder"
Mad german main spotted
@@Callsign_Merkava I'm referring to all episodes thus far
Well the M4 won cause it has 2 stupid things in WT that never existed , first a stabilizer were you can shoot on the move . That was just a gyro to help getting the gun a little faster on target when you stop and there was no stabilized gun sight . This is not how stabilizers work . And second a .50cal that shred tracks with 3 hits while nobody is up there to shoot it , get your commander out like a M18 does .
I like both tanks , shoot on the move is a cool thing and a 75mm KwK 40 also . Why not have both things in one tank ? XD
Make a version with aircraft because why not.
I'm very excited for the apex predators update
we need second season
I still love the Panzer 4 F2 there both great tanks but use something more armored like a panzer 4 and not a sherman
Bring back air RB enduring confrontation
depends upon liking of the player if the player wants a big and acurrate gun than the pz 4 is the best choice in the tier otherwise if you want mobility and turret turn rate then the m1 is better
This one of the best shows I've watched in a while but I was wondering who are the ones driving the tanks?
Fuuking bots.
this is tank versus? more like this nuts!!!11!alright guys thanks for watching, like and subscribe, see you next time!😮😮
I'm just here to see how badly they do this
Ok kid
In a match I just played Iost 25k lions for a falsely accused team kill on an i29
I would send replay but you can't copy the link and send it on xbox