Appreciate the info from everyone. I didn't realize the M3 Pro has the same media engine (and only 1 compared to 2 on the max) which is why the export time was the same. I also underestimated the impact of RAM.
Apple doesn't make it easy. You have to get more cores to get a memory upgrade 36gb. 150GB/s memory bandwidth of the Pro chip is *bad*. M2 Max on the Mac Studio has 400 GB/s!!!
To be honest, the RAM should be the first thing you would want to upgrade. It's the first thing which significantly improves the speed of basically every task. Especially when you want to be future proof. The internal SSD's are much more workflow depended and don't really change the speed as much as the right amount (enough) of RAM does. Apart from that, when software is properly optimised over time, it brings a lot of efficiency and therefore speed to the table.
I am a software developer using m1 macbook air. I have seen ram at 13-15 GB used easily whereas processor is not used even 60%. So Ram upgrade is much better than procesor. m2 pro chip + 32GB ram is better than buying m3 pro chip + 18GB ram.
@@user-it8de6uw9m yes m1 is enough for learning. get 16gb ram + 512gb version. This is bare minimum. Don't buy 8GB ram version as running servers locally won't be possible.
As a system/DevOps engineer, I decided to buy MBA 13" M3 16/512 for my usage - the most excellent choice for me. Even though the M3 Pro 14" costs "only" 300 bucks higher at the moment, I don't see any reason to have a bigger device. But I will appreciate it if my employer decides to give me MBP ))
I bought a refurbished 16” M1 Pro a few months ago and it’s still been amazing, I’m just not keen to spend a lot of money to upgrade something for minimal updates. Great video as always
M1 16" here as well, loving it, but i did have to pay for additional icloud storage last month (bought it second hand for 1,5K £, now they are even cheaper ~1.1K £ still would buy it in 2024)
I personally opted for the option with more storage and cores and I gotta say I’m more than pleased with its performance so far. Tasks such as editing in photoshop go super smooth and I can have dozens of tabs open and the system won’t slow down. And the battery life is just phenomenal.
how is your battery life? Is it 14 or 16"? I'm getting like 7-8 hours on light use. My old m1 was also around this range. I regret switching to pro which was supposed to give "18 hours"
@@mymbrain I got the 14" version. As for battery life, it really depends on your usage. I for one can easily get the advertised 18h or even more than a day without charging. This while having screen brightness and keyboard lighting on auto and while editing texts in word, editing photos in photoshop or also steaming videos. I can’t explain your measly 8h though. Are you using it with 100% brightness?
@@Pascal-ui2lm this 7-8 hours is with 40-50% brightness and no keyboard lightning. If i have 100% brightness it goes max 3-4 hours. I check my CPU & GPU usage, they are usually pretty low. I'm doing the same stuff as in M1 Air and getting less battery life. I think something is wrong with my device but it is very hard to proof since they always say it "depends on the usage"
@@mymbrain You have an M3 Pro Chip and not just the base model right? Because the M3 would be a bit less efficient. But if it’s the Pro then it might be worth asking Apple for support if this short battery life continues. Your battery might have a production fault if that’s the case.
hi as you use mac, I have a question, my brothers M1 Air had a issue when I tried using Photoshop on it, first it was fine, but after some days, it ran into a OpenGL issue, the use GPU option in performance setting gets randomly greyedout sometimes. And it stops updating smart objects, text effects and canvas zoom etc. Have you ran into this issue, please tell me if you know anything about it & if there is a solution, I want to buy M3 air 16gb for Graphic design (first time apole buyer), but this potenial doubt is stopping me from it. Because if it occurs, then it would become useless. And is M3 air 16gb good enough for graphic design, will it handle the workload fine. Thanks.
I am a software engineer and before I am using macbook pro m1 13 inch with 16gb of ram and from my experience, ram is the constraint in the performance of my machine. After raising this concern to our director, they issued me a new macbook pro m3 pro with 36gb of ram! It fixes all my issues in running multiple apps, compilation and running unit tests. From 13-15 mins of running 10k unit tests down to 3-4 mins! Ram should not be the least priority.
hey man, im really happy you made this video! just have a question, im a windows user since i was born lol, but now im moving to europe and i really need a laptop! i film using my iphone 15 pro (4k 24/30FPS) and edit all my videos on premiere ( i need to go along with this software coz all my team uses it). do you think buyng an MCP M3 PRO base model as yours will be enough?! im asking it as a newbie who's changing OS for the first time in my life!
Any Apple Silicon Mac will do for that task, especially since you film using the iPhone. Every M Pro Model will excel at this. Given it has enough RAM. With the newer models you got like 16GB as baseline which is absolutely fine for your tasks as described by you. However, as is the case with the M1 Generation, there are 8GB options and you should stay away from them. Of course in your case anything above 30GB would probably be more than sufficient for like a decade or something… but for the time being 16/18GB will get you through smooth workflow with that machine.
@@dannydawn I am debating on Macbook Pro with M3 chip (8-core CPU 10-core GPU 16GB Unified Memory 1TB SSD Storage¹) and Macbook Pro with M3 pro chip (11-core CPU 14-core GPU 18GB Unified Memory 512GB SSD Storage¹) . I will use the laptop for video editing for client works and content editing for myself on Adobe Premier Pro and After Effects. Which one should I choose? Should I go with the higher ram and the pro chip? Or will it give me a headache to move files all the time due to 512ssd?
The M3 pro chip has 18 Gb as entry RAM, is more than enough for that, make sure You use a version of Premiere with native support for Apple silicon (not the old ones that used Rosetta)
This might be an unpopular opinion, but if you are doing a lot of video editing I would honestly not go with a Mac. Why not just stick with Windows and have a great dedicated graphics card and a large amount of RAM + a great CPU/mobo that really caters to video editing? (Note: I am not a Windows fan at all, in fact I hate it completely, but I hate to think how much you'd spend on a Mac that might not be as optimal as you might think).
I was watching this vid to see what was the mistake but I stopped watching when u said that RAM is at the bottom of priorities. Well, I never ever have a Mac but during my search, I think people should aim to 16GB of RAM minimum. Why? Because you can't upgrade RAM but you can plug an external SSD to work with.
I went from a 10/24/32/2TB 16' M1 Max to a M3 Pro 12/18/18/1TB 14" (The $2399 option). The M3 hasn't missed a beat. Only thing I see as slower is video export, but that makes sense since it's 2 vs 1 encoder. Everything else feels the same. Size was the factor for me changing.
@@caedon0 Yeah, but that's the problem. Same encoder and same count of encoders. How do you wanna see any significant improvement. I cant complain about that, if i miss the fact.
But isn’t the 16 inch MBP cooler especially during processor throttling as compared to 14 inch? Not to mention bigger screen real estate and display resolution.
For most applications, more RAM would always give you better performance than CPU and storage. Not surprised that you didn't see improvement you were expecting with the same 16GB of RAM.
@@ColeCaccamise having more RAM avoids the frequent swapping to disk due to insufficient RAM. Read/Write to RAM is much faster than storage which is why it's best to avoid swapping.
1:15 I forget that mac people dont understand what IPC improvements are in generations of CPUs. Instructions per clock is IPC and when that goes up, that can be more beneficial than core count. Or it can be equal depending on the IPC vs core counts of both chips. In the M1 to M3 case, the IPC is vastly improved. Plus with a smaller process, the 3nm vs 5nm die makes the M3 as powerful using less energy or more powerful using the same energy. Thats why.
i got one of the m3 base models after using a maxed out 16 inch an in general use an simple tasks, well i say simple... editing 4k is stil super smooth, even on 8gb ram... it depends on the user
I just bought this model and have been using it for a few days. I haven't even edited any video on it yet, but even just with Safari open with my usual bunch of tabs, listening to music in the background or playing a UA-cam video, and using Lightroom Classic makes this thing uses all 18GB of RAM and starts hitting swap space on the SSD. This affects performance, but it also means that the SSD is probably going to wear prematurely. I'm taking it back and swapping it for one with 36GB RAM.
@@christopherbuckel9180 I had to order it as the local Apple Store didn’t have one in stock. I’m still waiting on it, it should hopefully be here in a week or so. After doing some more reading, I found a thread on the Adobe community message boards about this. Lightroom Classic just seems to start hogging memory sometimes as it caches images. This doesn’t seem to be a Mac issue but an Adobe one. One person on a 32 GB M2 MacBook said it will hog all that memory and still create up to 10GB cache files sometimes. Another person states that turning graphics acceleration down to basic solves the issue. So I’m not sure that upping to the 36GB model is even going to solve my problem, but as I want to run some VMs as well, the extra memory will be welcome.
@@christopherbuckel9180 I got it a couple weeks ago.. I went up to the M3 Pro 12/18 core 36GB RAM with 1TB SSD. I like it a lot! So far, I haven't been hitting the swap space at all, super fast, and the battery lasts all day. I'm pretty impressed with it.
i think a lot of it has to do with performance cores and efficiency cores. a lot of programs are not utilizing all the cores. the programs are just using the performance cores, leaving the efficiency cores idle. this is true for a lot of the audio programs i work with, with only some programs putting all the cores to use.
Reference to some people who think 8GB should be enough. One of my friends recently found that his M2 8GB has over 150TB data written in a year. The amount is huge, probably because of the Apple SWAP. Considering that general consuming 256GB SSDs have 250-300 TBW, I worried about my friends' M2 8GB mini might be down after 2 years. Apple's general warranty is for 2 years. You can see how smart the Apple business strategy is.
Pro tip, for what Apple charges for storage, you'd be much farther ahead setting up a NAS server with a Raspberry Pi and whatever SSD you want to attach to it, or even an old computer that you have kicking around with an SSD or a RAID array of SSDs. Only store what you're immediately working on, on your Mac, and anything else on the NAS, and you can afford to save money on internal storage, and use that money for other things like CPU or RAM upgrades. The NAS kinda works like having an additional drive connected to your computer, but over the network, and there are ways to set up secure remote access when you're away from your home network
Not cheaper but better (although slower), don't get 256GB ever, its the slowest, don't go for 1TB too (200$ for 500GB or 500EUR for 500GB on M3 Pro is ridiculous, I can get 8TB with that money with 8x faster speeds), if you're a videographer/photographer you NEED external drive, nas is overkill for that, also Synology NAS'es are kind of loud, but if you store ALL of your Documents, videos, downloads and files etc. you need a NAS.
Good points, although you don’t even need a dedicated Synology NAS. I run mine off an old ThinkPad with Linux, as a SAMBA server, so it keeps noise and thermal levels low. Most ThinkPads have at least two NVMe slots if you want to set up a RAID configuration. Plus, you can just throttle the battery max charge to 50% and it works like a built in UPS. Although I do get how the limiting factor can be speed, given that any network connection will always be a bottleneck compared to the speed of writing to an internal drive. The best approach imo is to keep anything you’ll work on immediately on your local SSD, and all your other data offloaded to the NAS. My biggest regret with my M2 MBP is that I didn’t order the 16 GB 512 GB model. I wanted it that day and the only ones available in store were the base config
I have just bought a 24GB/1TB MacBook Air M3 - in Space Black and it looks otherworldly at night with the lit keyboard and insane thinness, and no noise. Its buttery smooth with everything from Final Cut Pro to Resident Evil 4 ! My best ever laptop for sure.
Congrats on the machine, how are you finding the 24GB holding up? I just ordered the M4 Pro with 24GB and I'm a little worried I'm going to need more RAM even though I'm practically certain I won't. Just stupid fomo kicking it.
I updated from Intel Macbook pro to the m3 pro Macbook pro 14,I love it also love ur content keep it up. and i think as far as less GPU cores go it feels like they wanted to improve efficiency by decreasing GPU cores and 3nm processor at the same time to show as if the 3nm is a big upgrade for battery life. Love ur videos keep going :)
M3 Pro is watered down this year to force people into the M3 Max for more money. Due to inflation, if your on a M1 Pro/Max or M2 Pro/Max you got a pretty good deal a don’t even know it.
1:08 because the 10 core 16 core M1 Pro MBP wasn't the base config. The base config of the M1 Pro MBP was 8 CPU cores and 14 GPU cores, which is what the 11 CPU core 14 GPU core M3 Pro MBP replaces. The 12/18 core M3 Pro MBP is the equivalent priced MBP to the one you have.
I got the 16" with 512gig HD. I wanted to upgrade it but amazon had such a good savings for the 512 version. They didn't provide any of the upgrades it had to be whatever the standard version was. If the savings weren't so good I would have gotten more hd space, but I did end up with more ram and it runs amazing so far.
It even says on the “how much memory do I need” section about the recommended memory for the MacBook when editing photos. Memory is a huge factor in workloads.
I think most of the few small weaknesses of this spec can be easily avoided if its not your only machine, and you have ample storage thats easy to transfer to/work from. Considering the 2k spec went on sale for 1800, its a cost effective powerhouse. I'd love a crazy beefy spec laptop, but the 3-5k could be better spent on a desktop setup. Another note about raw performance: export times may be similar in some cases but your m3 machine is using less power than your M1 to deliver the same results. Solid video overall! Thanks for the viewpoint you earned a sub!
The M3 Pro has the same encoders as the M1 Pro for video and 3 less performance cores because they replaced the 8 in the 10-core M1 with only 5 and then increased the total cores to 11 by increasing the efficiency cores from 2 in the 10 core M1 Pro to 6. They also dropped the memory bandwidth from 200 to 150.
I’m saying this respectfully, but I don’t think you understand the basic operation of computing when you say both render times of your da Vinci project we’re the same, you’re not going to get faster rendering time, it’s the scrubbing through the timeline, the features within da Vinci, the individual processing of tasks within da Vinci itself that matter, It’s things like that you have to test, the render time won’t fluctuate much based on the specs of the computer.
If you're doing any sort of 3d rendering work, M1 gpus are completely obsolete. The M3 pro chip is +%100 faster even the binned version with less cores. Also will be an improvement on AI and single core driven tasks over the M1. For the rest of the tasks such as video editing there shouldn't be much difference.
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i would like to add that the M3 Pro has fewer performance cores and more efficiency cores. Some programs use only the performance cores. THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO
I got the upgraded version with a student discount and then used whatever money I had saved for a protective case. 100% worth it. I love my Mac! I personally think you should trade in for the upgraded version and then test to see if that makes any difference in upload time or not
Basically they nerfed the lowest end 14 inch Macbook Pro in order to mask their stealth price increases. Plus, if you were mostly fine with your M1 Pro then I don't understand why you expected such a major uplift. Apple basically screwed themselves by offering such a large uplift with the original M1 series that they're still using comparisons against old Intel-based Macs in their presentations. There's nothing really there for people who already got on the M1 train early.
When I bought my M2 Air The first thing I did was max out on RAM. My current set up of 24GB with a 1TB drive rarely ever slows down and can handle Logic X and Final cut pro at the same time with 50~70 browser windows in the background. I hardly ever dip into swap territory so I don’t plan to upgrade for a while. I don’t like changing computers because it’s a hassle to set up. So many plugins and sound libraries to install for Logic. My 2013 maxed out MBP lasted 9 years without too much issue. I would have upgraded a year earlier but waited for the M2 Air.
I think it's worth getting the M3 over the M1 or M2 just to have added years of support before it becomes obsolete. For most users, these computers can easily last 8+ years, so buying a year or two old processor shortens the lifespan, even if it is cheaper upfront.
And how does the age of the CPU matter here in any way? These CPUs are all on the same architecture, the only difference is the IPC on M3 got better. Is there anything you can do on M3 Pro but can’t do on M1 Pro other than ray tracing? The only difference is that M3 does some tasks faster. Same screen, same keyboard, same speakers, touchpad, chassis. I rather buy older M1 Max with 32GB RAM rather than base M3 pro with cut down memory bandwidth and 18/512 config. I rather buy older but better config for the same price and upgrade 3 years later than buying inferior hardware for the same price because it will be supported longer. I would never want to have 18GB RAM in 2027…
Apple makes products absolete 7 years after they stop selling them. Older processors will go obsolete quicker than newer ones. Not being able to update the OS eventually stinks. If you’d rather replace in a few years, ok. I’d rather get something better now and keep it for 8-9 years.
@@Maineguy42 36GB/1TB M3 Pro is 50-60% more expensive than 32GB/1TB M1 Pro. I rather get that M1 Pro now and later switch to M5 instead of buying M3 now for that 60% higher price and waiting for M8 or whatever apple is gonna release later.
@@patent5421 I don't think the M1 Pro is even sold new? So you'd rather spend less and get a refurbished, 3 year old laptop. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that. I'd rather spend more and get the newest. Hard to argue against that too.
Your real world tests didn’t match the synthetic benchmarks because exporting video uses the media engine, while the benchmarks tested cpu and gpu. For code compilation it will be a massive increase.
Ram on bottom of upgrading is fkn crazy lol. That's the #1 thing. Especially if you only have 16gb. That's just not enough if your a heavy user and not just browsing Internet and responding to emails.
You basically got the same Mac but just with the upgraded chip. Obviously not going to notice a massive difference in performance. Ram is way more important than ssd space as you can use externals for storage you can’t upgrade the ram.
2,300 to 4,000 is not a 50% increase. You must use a percentage increase formula. New value - old value / old value X 100. In this case, about 75% increase.
I ended up with the 16" M3 Max base setup 14-Core CPU, 30-Core GPU, 36GB Unified Memory, 1TB SSD Storage. If your coming from a Previous M chip, you really need to go the max, otherwise not worth the upgrade. I would only upgrade if I was on the intel based setups. You also need to keep in mind, the M chips are unified memory, it's been shared, so you need more, I would not go less than a 32GB option if you want to get good life out of this. 1TB SSD should be your target also, for swap, longevity etc. For my current use, so far I have seen it jump to 16GB of memory use. This is running VS Code, browser with roughly 6 tabs, connected to external monitor 4k 50", extended display, if I mirror this drops a bit. Rust Compile times are pretty much instant, no difference from my Arch linux desktop actually. Roughly sits at 12GB mem or lower if I am working on the laptop only. If battery life is a concern, then the max chip is not for you, Base M3 or pro chip only. I have no regrets going the M3 Max, actually I am glad I didn't go M3 Pro, which I was so close to doing until I researched others experience. I think the main concern is memory, rather than the cpu.
@@psilocypher I am not sure what you mean, but with unified, it means that GPU and Ram memory are one. With apple it also has a swap, which will then kick in if you exceed your unified memory, this is why apple's performance can function so well even on 8Gb, but you will put more wear on your SSD due to caching. Hence why I recommend more Unified Memory
I am in the first year of university studying computer science and engineering. I am going to start specialisation in AI and machine learning from the third year. I am confused between an M3 Pro 16in MacBook Pro or and M3 Air 15in (when it launches) to purchase. I want atleast 15in screen size. Which one would you suggest? Thanks!
I tried to upgrade from my 2017 15" MBP to the 16" M3 MAX and ended up going back to the 2017 I'm just so used to the Touch Bar and just not worth the 3K price tag when the 2017 still works fine for my needs. I use Parsec to remote into a high end Windows workstation so the increase in power is not needed in my case.
In my opinion Ram should be the first thing you upgrade the main limitations when it comes to the performance is the Ram. Also the reason why the export time take the same is because they have the same encoder/decoder. I believe the MAX chip have 2 encoder/decoder rather than 1 on the Pro chips. The higher performance of GPU comes when you are playing a video of your timeline without having to render and it being to handle more footage and higher quality footage in your timeline.
Apple reduced performance cores to increase efficiency of 14 inch. Which is good for travellars, you as an studio producer should have take 14 core or 16 core cpu model. The 14 inch pro model is not for studio use, it is for back packers and travel vloggers.
Thank you man, I have MB pro 1TB 16gb ram, M1-14", and I think you nailed it with your honest review, it it's just a show to spend money on new Apple devices, everything is just a clickbait for spending more and more but the reality is that its not worth it! Best of Luck, Stay safe, God bless you!
But why would you just use an external SSD for all projects? It doesn’t make sense to always put the footage on your laptop… Your laptop’s SSD gets slower if you keep on putting files on it and removing them since your never fully removing all the data.
I have a MacBook Pro M1 14”, I bought thinking I would like the portability more, specially coming from 17” MSI gaming laptop. However I never needed the portability. Should have gotten the 16” version. I will look to upgrade to the 16” when the M4 comes out. This is even more noticeable since I bought an iPad Air 13” they are so close that it makes my regret more noticeable to me.
1:08 it is on purpose so you have to buy the 16' like your previous 16' m1 pro to get those GPU boosts yes it should be like iphones where pro vs PM is just screen and battery but on mac book they even profit with RAM let alone this my dad still uses m1 pro with 1Tb
It’s really true that the M1 Pro is still so similar in functional performance. But also, sadly, you bought the Pro during the year that the Pro was downgraded in cores and memory lanes. You bought the differentiated, nerfed version on the year where Max was the only real option for an upgrade if you have an M series. Plus, with only 100GB free space, you are also slowing your system further. I like to keep 500GB free to keep the memory shuffle down.
Full disclosure, the Max is so rediculous and unnecessary for most things. I had a 5-layer Hvec-10-bit 1 hour project in Davinci Resolve. I had a similar 40 min project in Capcut. I had noise reduction on a lot of parts etc but they were both heavy projects. I exported Davinci Resolve and Capcut at the same time while creating the thumbnails in Photoshop and had a 4K UA-cam stream playing on one of 3 4K monitors. My fans were audible for sure but no lag or slowdown. I also had maybe 40 chrome tabs open because I'm a recruiter with profiles open. I didn't bother to close them. I had Krisp noise reduce a call that occurred during that time, no hickups at all. It was almost like the computer wasn't doing anything. So, would I normally do that? No. In fact, no way. I just wanted to see what was possible. It was idiotic. It's all marketing bro. If I had to replace my system with the M1 Max right now, I wouldn't shed a tear. Trust me, be very happy with your system, it's awesome. Even 3D rendering in Blender... I have an M1 Macbook Air still and it does great. I have some old projects there for 3d Printing. Is it a AAA title gaming render? No, but it's not simple. I'm keeping my system for a long time and recommend the same for everyone that has an M anything.. @@ColeCaccamise
I had to return my m3 pro base (18/512) because it was extremely ram starved in my creative workflows. It would get so laggy in resolve or lightroom and resolve would often crash.
Instead of paying more to upgrade to m3 12 core, just pay the same (instead of more) and get the m2 pro 12 core Now you have 8 performance cores instead of 5 or 6 only AND you have 19 cores gpu. Oh and 16gb with 1Tb ssd. Am I missing something or is that the best deal ever?
You'll be lucky to get 4-5 years out of the soldered SSD, too,when your Mac will be tearing through the life of your SSD because you are bound to use SWAP with that little RAM.
@@f-22raptor25 I dunno, I've seen a few of the smaller storage M1s go already and they had some insane TBW numbers. The only reason I could come up with is the swap. That and the SSDs have a habit of shorting to ground. Pop, bye-bye 3 grand. I think it's criminal to solder storage to the board with no other options. They should have an m.2 slot somewhere. I could build you a house with all the dead SSDs I've seen in my life.
The M1 pro and M3 pro have the exact same video encoder, so video editing won’t be any faster. The M3 Max chip has two of those encoders and therefore being twice as fast
you can currently get a 14 m1 pro on amazon renewed for like 1200. i think thats a crazy deal. there really isn't much reason to go for the m2 or m3 pro over an m1 pro when its still super capable. then you can pocket the difference and upgrade the storage/ram
@@ColeCaccamiseSo you save $500-600 to get a used machine with less CPU? I think the M3 Pro would be just fine for someone who’s never owned a Mac. However, I could understand not upgrading if you already had the M1.
I was actually going to buy the base M3 pro at the Apple store upgrading the ram to 16GB but Bestbuy is selling rhe M3 pro wirh 18GB of ram for $1,7950 since im a total member. Also Bestbuy is offering $715 in trade credit for my M2 base Air vs Apple offering $600.
This is why I dont listen to everyone. He has the style the look the quality of video but is not well versed enough to be giving advice. Great idea making this more of a reflection video especially since people are dropping knowledge in the comments.
But is the m3pro better for games? Im on a macbook air m1 now and wanna to upgrade to a bigger screen more ram and more power just for a litl wow gameplay and music/video making Right now i see a refurbed 512gb m3 pro macbook pro 14inch. Or is there a better choice?
Just saw the video well you are right ssd is low definitely need the 1tb for your work also the pro got 1 fan which I think you need 2 i have the base model m3 max 48 ram 1tb I cracked it with fan control,battery control and gaming let me tell you even with 2 fans they work on almost 6k rpm and still heats up if I had one fan or non definitely there is an explosion happening I suggest for people to save and get max one and leave it up to 6 years maybe more cause at that point all you would need is change battery it can stay up to 10 years it lasts longer and filled with ram
gonna pick up the m3 pro 12/18/16 core with 18gb ram and 1tb storage version for $2050 otd (10.25% wack ass cali tax included) at best buy. coming from a 2019 dell xps, im pretty excited.
I honestly don’t understand your complaints. You had a very strong M1 MacBook and the M3 is not as much stronger as you expected. I have an M1 Air it will be a massive upgrade for me.
I remember my first MBP, ive only had like... One... (I since used like, PC's and PC laptops or where im at now with the 15-inch macbook air i got for grad school with a sizeable amount of ram) It was 4GB of RAM (this was the 2011 13-inch, i got it for a game design/software engineering internship for iOS dev) One of the first upgrades i had to do was to replace the ram to up it to 16gb Especially when i needed it to run xcode...
Hi Cole, Nice aesthetic video again! I am debating on Macbook Pro with M3 chip (8-core CPU 10-core GPU 16GB Unified Memory 1TB SSD Storage¹) and Macbook Pro with M3 pro chip (11-core CPU 14-core GPU 18GB Unified Memory 512GB SSD Storage¹) . I will use the laptop for video editing for client works and content editing for myself on Adobe Premier Pro and After Effects. Which one should I choose? Should I go with the higher ram and the pro chip? Or will it give me a headache to move files all the time due to 512ssd?
ummm i have the 512 and i work off an external ssd so i dont notice it. normally i'd push more people towards the air but if youre working in both premiere and ae you might want the extra power of the pro
what a bad advice to say that the ram memory is the last thing to upgrade...lol it should be the very first. they're unified so you cannot upgrade later and it's the one that makes the big difference, whereas storage memory you can just plug in an external hd
When one trusts a brand and performs a very expensive upgrade to another génération, and being disappointed is the weirdest move a brand can do. They are over paid so they don't care about you
storage is 100% the last thing i recommend buying from apple. Pretty much the only thing you can add on after purchase for an absolute fraction of what apple charge (~£1/$1 per gb?!) it's all about the unified memory with these as you cant upgrade it afterwards
I have a MacBook air 13, from 2017, 8gb. I just ordered a MacBook pro 14”, 16gb, 500ssd. What should I expect in terms of video editing and exporting? With what I have now it takes up to 12 hours 😂 😢 to export a 40min 4k video. Thanks in advance!
Appreciate the info from everyone. I didn't realize the M3 Pro has the same media engine (and only 1 compared to 2 on the max) which is why the export time was the same. I also underestimated the impact of RAM.
The M3 pro is way more energy efficient, that's the upgrade you've paid for.
the stutter most likely comes from the memomy bandwith, which was decreased in the standard pro chip. Thats why im opting for an m2 pro.
Apple doesn't make it easy. You have to get more cores to get a memory upgrade 36gb. 150GB/s memory bandwidth of the Pro chip is *bad*. M2 Max on the Mac Studio has 400 GB/s!!!
@@BlackMan614 Is 400GB/s on MBP M1Max 16"/14" and M2 Max Model...
@@KlausMartin98 Doesn't only M2 Pro has 150GB/s tho? Only max has 400GB/s AFAIK
You spent $900 for a bookshelf for your monitor. You can afford to upgrade your storage.
To be honest, the RAM should be the first thing you would want to upgrade. It's the first thing which significantly improves the speed of basically every task. Especially when you want to be future proof. The internal SSD's are much more workflow depended and don't really change the speed as much as the right amount (enough) of RAM does. Apart from that, when software is properly optimised over time, it brings a lot of efficiency and therefore speed to the table.
I absolutely agree. For the price of MacBook Pros, 32GB should be the standard.
Agreed. 16GB is not enough RAM if you’re working with heavy video. I’m really disappointed that we can’t update RAM like we could back in the day.
Apple understands this mostly deeply. That's why they price the ram upgrade like that.
The other thing with MacBooks is they also use unified memory which in return is a lot more efficient than standard RAM
That is what Apple knows and that is why they charge unreasonable amount of money for RAM.
I am a software developer using m1 macbook air. I have seen ram at 13-15 GB used easily whereas processor is not used even 60%. So Ram upgrade is much better than procesor. m2 pro chip + 32GB ram is better than buying m3 pro chip + 18GB ram.
For your use case then ram might be a better upgrade. What kind of development do you do?
@@ColeCaccamise Full Stack Web apps.
@@user-it8de6uw9m yes m1 is enough for learning. get 16gb ram + 512gb version. This is bare minimum. Don't buy 8GB ram version as running servers locally won't be possible.
@@user-it8de6uw9m yes
As a system/DevOps engineer, I decided to buy MBA 13" M3 16/512 for my usage - the most excellent choice for me. Even though the M3 Pro 14" costs "only" 300 bucks higher at the moment, I don't see any reason to have a bigger device. But I will appreciate it if my employer decides to give me MBP ))
I bought a refurbished 16” M1 Pro a few months ago and it’s still been amazing, I’m just not keen to spend a lot of money to upgrade something for minimal updates. Great video as always
Thank you man, glad you’re enjoying it!
M1 16" here as well, loving it, but i did have to pay for additional icloud storage last month (bought it second hand for 1,5K £, now they are even cheaper ~1.1K £ still would buy it in 2024)
How do you guys get along with all the payable programs on apple OS? Like even Adobe Acrobat Reader can’t be used without paying?
Hey Jason, how much was the battery capacity when you got it?
I personally opted for the option with more storage and cores and I gotta say I’m more than pleased with its performance so far. Tasks such as editing in photoshop go super smooth and I can have dozens of tabs open and the system won’t slow down. And the battery life is just phenomenal.
how is your battery life? Is it 14 or 16"? I'm getting like 7-8 hours on light use. My old m1 was also around this range. I regret switching to pro which was supposed to give "18 hours"
@@mymbrain I got the 14" version. As for battery life, it really depends on your usage. I for one can easily get the advertised 18h or even more than a day without charging. This while having screen brightness and keyboard lighting on auto and while editing texts in word, editing photos in photoshop or also steaming videos. I can’t explain your measly 8h though. Are you using it with 100% brightness?
@@Pascal-ui2lm this 7-8 hours is with 40-50% brightness and no keyboard lightning. If i have 100% brightness it goes max 3-4 hours. I check my CPU & GPU usage, they are usually pretty low. I'm doing the same stuff as in M1 Air and getting less battery life. I think something is wrong with my device but it is very hard to proof since they always say it "depends on the usage"
@@mymbrain You have an M3 Pro Chip and not just the base model right? Because the M3 would be a bit less efficient. But if it’s the Pro then it might be worth asking Apple for support if this short battery life continues. Your battery might have a production fault if that’s the case.
hi as you use mac, I have a question, my brothers M1 Air had a issue when I tried using Photoshop on it, first it was fine, but after some days, it ran into a OpenGL issue, the use GPU option in performance setting gets randomly greyedout sometimes. And it stops updating smart objects, text effects and canvas zoom etc. Have you ran into this issue, please tell me if you know anything about it & if there is a solution, I want to buy M3 air 16gb for Graphic design (first time apole buyer), but this potenial doubt is stopping me from it. Because if it occurs, then it would become useless. And is M3 air 16gb good enough for graphic design, will it handle the workload fine. Thanks.
I am a software engineer and before I am using macbook pro m1 13 inch with 16gb of ram and from my experience, ram is the constraint in the performance of my machine. After raising this concern to our director, they issued me a new macbook pro m3 pro with 36gb of ram! It fixes all my issues in running multiple apps, compilation and running unit tests. From 13-15 mins of running 10k unit tests down to 3-4 mins! Ram should not be the least priority.
Nicely put
Only what 1000 dollars more ?
@@havefaithinjesuschristjesu1359 yes, only 1000 dollars more. Very cheap compare to buying a new one.
@@havefaithinjesuschristjesu1359 i built mine, and its $440, so pretty expensive
That's a $4k minimum machine. At that point buy a real workstation with way better specs and upgradability /:
hey man, im really happy you made this video! just have a question, im a windows user since i was born lol, but now im moving to europe and i really need a laptop! i film using my iphone 15 pro (4k 24/30FPS) and edit all my videos on premiere ( i need to go along with this software coz all my team uses it). do you think buyng an MCP M3 PRO base model as yours will be enough?! im asking it as a newbie who's changing OS for the first time in my life!
You are literally asking if one of the most powerful laptops out there will be enough for you... and if he says no, won't you buy it ...
Any Apple Silicon Mac will do for that task, especially since you film using the iPhone.
Every M Pro Model will excel at this.
Given it has enough RAM.
With the newer models you got like 16GB as baseline which is absolutely fine for your tasks as described by you.
However, as is the case with the M1 Generation, there are 8GB options and you should stay away from them.
Of course in your case anything above 30GB would probably be more than sufficient for like a decade or something… but for the time being 16/18GB will get you through smooth workflow with that machine.
@@dannydawn I am debating on Macbook Pro with M3 chip (8-core CPU
10-core GPU
16GB Unified Memory
1TB SSD Storage¹)
and
Macbook Pro with M3 pro chip (11-core CPU
14-core GPU
18GB Unified Memory
512GB SSD Storage¹) .
I will use the laptop for video editing for client works and content editing for myself on Adobe Premier Pro and After Effects. Which one should I choose? Should I go with the higher ram and the pro chip? Or will it give me a headache to move files all the time due to 512ssd?
The M3 pro chip has 18 Gb as entry RAM, is more than enough for that, make sure You use a version of Premiere with native support for Apple silicon (not the old ones that used Rosetta)
This might be an unpopular opinion, but if you are doing a lot of video editing I would honestly not go with a Mac. Why not just stick with Windows and have a great dedicated graphics card and a large amount of RAM + a great CPU/mobo that really caters to video editing? (Note: I am not a Windows fan at all, in fact I hate it completely, but I hate to think how much you'd spend on a Mac that might not be as optimal as you might think).
I was watching this vid to see what was the mistake but I stopped watching when u said that RAM is at the bottom of priorities. Well, I never ever have a Mac but during my search, I think people should aim to 16GB of RAM minimum. Why? Because you can't upgrade RAM but you can plug an external SSD to work with.
he meant not the priority for a mac book pro 14" (as it comes with 18gb as base)
@@GEOGIOit comes with 8gb in base and M3. 18 gb is the next option.
Dude is literally braindead 😂
@@johanan_kThe machine used in the video is the base model M3 Pro which comes with 18GB of RAM, not 8GB, and 512GB SSD in the base configuration.
@@johanan_k Not on the M3 pro chip, they all come in 18 GB-8 gb is for the Base M3 chip.
I'm on a 2017 MacBook Air with 8gb of ram and a small HD. I think this will be a nice upgrade.
Bro.. really bro upgrade! You'll feel like you are living in a new generation.
Im on a 2013 mac air. Only looking to upgrade because I can no longer upgrade the software.
Me over here with my 2011 MacBook Pro.
I went from a 10/24/32/2TB 16' M1 Max to a M3 Pro 12/18/18/1TB 14" (The $2399 option). The M3 hasn't missed a beat. Only thing I see as slower is video export, but that makes sense since it's 2 vs 1 encoder. Everything else feels the same. Size was the factor for me changing.
And that's aactually the answer why the new one isnt any faster, same encoder, same times. Easy as that. So why should it be fast then??
@@Patrick-ds1dgIn the video, he is comparing it to the M1 Pro, which also has one encoder.
@@caedon0 Yeah, but that's the problem. Same encoder and same count of encoders. How do you wanna see any significant improvement. I cant complain about that, if i miss the fact.
But isn’t the 16 inch MBP cooler especially during processor throttling as compared to 14 inch? Not to mention bigger screen real estate and display resolution.
@@sglatitude He said that the fans weren’t turning on. So there shouldn’t be any throttle.
For most applications, more RAM would always give you better performance than CPU and storage. Not surprised that you didn't see improvement you were expecting with the same 16GB of RAM.
From the other comments it seems to do with the media engine + slower bandwidth. But maybe I was wrong about the benefits of ram
@@ColeCaccamise having more RAM avoids the frequent swapping to disk due to insufficient RAM. Read/Write to RAM is much faster than storage which is why it's best to avoid swapping.
@@whereisjohnnow ah yes virtual memory (i do a level comp sci so basically a genius)
@@zwebbcringe
Going from a 2011 MacBook Pro to a MacBook Pro max was amazing.
1:15 I forget that mac people dont understand what IPC improvements are in generations of CPUs. Instructions per clock is IPC and when that goes up, that can be more beneficial than core count. Or it can be equal depending on the IPC vs core counts of both chips. In the M1 to M3 case, the IPC is vastly improved. Plus with a smaller process, the 3nm vs 5nm die makes the M3 as powerful using less energy or more powerful using the same energy. Thats why.
Thanks for the explanation!
i got one of the m3 base models after using a maxed out 16 inch an in general use an simple tasks, well i say simple... editing 4k is stil super smooth, even on 8gb ram... it depends on the user
But also on the kind of footage, 4K doesn’t mean a lot by itself
I just bought this model and have been using it for a few days. I haven't even edited any video on it yet, but even just with Safari open with my usual bunch of tabs, listening to music in the background or playing a UA-cam video, and using Lightroom Classic makes this thing uses all 18GB of RAM and starts hitting swap space on the SSD. This affects performance, but it also means that the SSD is probably going to wear prematurely. I'm taking it back and swapping it for one with 36GB RAM.
Yikes, your workflow sounds exactly like mine😬 Did you get the 36gb one? How do you like it
@@christopherbuckel9180 I had to order it as the local Apple Store didn’t have one in stock. I’m still waiting on it, it should hopefully be here in a week or so.
After doing some more reading, I found a thread on the Adobe community message boards about this. Lightroom Classic just seems to start hogging memory sometimes as it caches images. This doesn’t seem to be a Mac issue but an Adobe one. One person on a 32 GB M2 MacBook said it will hog all that memory and still create up to 10GB cache files sometimes. Another person states that turning graphics acceleration down to basic solves the issue.
So I’m not sure that upping to the 36GB model is even going to solve my problem, but as I want to run some VMs as well, the extra memory will be welcome.
@@christopherbuckel9180 I got it a couple weeks ago.. I went up to the M3 Pro 12/18 core 36GB RAM with 1TB SSD. I like it a lot! So far, I haven't been hitting the swap space at all, super fast, and the battery lasts all day. I'm pretty impressed with it.
@@christopherbuckel9180 Hey, I got the 36GB one and it's much better. Not hitting the swap like the 18GB one.
i feel like you might be misinterpreting the numbers slightly; how's your memory pressure doing with that model?
i think a lot of it has to do with performance cores and efficiency cores. a lot of programs are not utilizing all the cores. the programs are just using the performance cores, leaving the efficiency cores idle. this is true for a lot of the audio programs i work with, with only some programs putting all the cores to use.
Reference to some people who think 8GB should be enough. One of my friends recently found that his M2 8GB has over 150TB data written in a year. The amount is huge, probably because of the Apple SWAP. Considering that general consuming 256GB SSDs have 250-300 TBW, I worried about my friends' M2 8GB mini might be down after 2 years. Apple's general warranty is for 2 years. You can see how smart the Apple business strategy is.
Absolutely disgusting that they push 8gb in a "pro" grade base laptop in 2024! 😑
I’m still using a 2011 iMac 🖥️ 1TB/32GB/i5
It's the memory bandwidth. If you want that to be better you need to buy the Max M3. M1/M2 base/Pro didn't have the same memory bandwidth restriction.
IMO the best choice would be to get a cheaper but more powerful Mac mini for home and use the 16 in for when you are on the go
Pro tip, for what Apple charges for storage, you'd be much farther ahead setting up a NAS server with a Raspberry Pi and whatever SSD you want to attach to it, or even an old computer that you have kicking around with an SSD or a RAID array of SSDs. Only store what you're immediately working on, on your Mac, and anything else on the NAS, and you can afford to save money on internal storage, and use that money for other things like CPU or RAM upgrades. The NAS kinda works like having an additional drive connected to your computer, but over the network, and there are ways to set up secure remote access when you're away from your home network
Great advice!
Not cheaper but better (although slower), don't get 256GB ever, its the slowest, don't go for 1TB too (200$ for 500GB or 500EUR for 500GB on M3 Pro is ridiculous, I can get 8TB with that money with 8x faster speeds), if you're a videographer/photographer you NEED external drive, nas is overkill for that, also Synology NAS'es are kind of loud, but if you store ALL of your Documents, videos, downloads and files etc. you need a NAS.
Good points, although you don’t even need a dedicated Synology NAS. I run mine off an old ThinkPad with Linux, as a SAMBA server, so it keeps noise and thermal levels low. Most ThinkPads have at least two NVMe slots if you want to set up a RAID configuration. Plus, you can just throttle the battery max charge to 50% and it works like a built in UPS. Although I do get how the limiting factor can be speed, given that any network connection will always be a bottleneck compared to the speed of writing to an internal drive. The best approach imo is to keep anything you’ll work on immediately on your local SSD, and all your other data offloaded to the NAS. My biggest regret with my M2 MBP is that I didn’t order the 16 GB 512 GB model. I wanted it that day and the only ones available in store were the base config
I have just bought a 24GB/1TB MacBook Air M3 - in Space Black and it looks otherworldly at night with the lit keyboard and insane thinness, and no noise. Its buttery smooth with everything from Final Cut Pro to Resident Evil 4 ! My best ever laptop for sure.
Congrats on the machine, how are you finding the 24GB holding up? I just ordered the M4 Pro with 24GB and I'm a little worried I'm going to need more RAM even though I'm practically certain I won't. Just stupid fomo kicking it.
I updated from Intel Macbook pro to the m3 pro Macbook pro 14,I love it also love ur content keep it up.
and i think as far as less GPU cores go it feels like they wanted to improve efficiency by decreasing GPU cores and 3nm processor at the same time to show as if the 3nm is a big upgrade for battery life. Love ur videos keep going :)
M3 Pro is watered down this year to force people into the M3 Max for more money. Due to inflation, if your on a M1 Pro/Max or M2 Pro/Max you got a pretty good deal a don’t even know it.
The ‘YT tech review accent’ has its own category now fr
😂😂😂 I was thinking the same thing!
@@kyleamaker the repetitive intonation pattern is so annoying
@@arjealis97 I agree. Like a really annoying loud whisper.
Honestly i was coming from a 2013 MacBook air. Anything was a MAJOR upgrade. But yeah this MacBook is great for me.
same!
Same!
1:08 because the 10 core 16 core M1 Pro MBP wasn't the base config. The base config of the M1 Pro MBP was 8 CPU cores and 14 GPU cores, which is what the 11 CPU core 14 GPU core M3 Pro MBP replaces. The 12/18 core M3 Pro MBP is the equivalent priced MBP to the one you have.
I got the 16" with 512gig HD. I wanted to upgrade it but amazon had such a good savings for the 512 version. They didn't provide any of the upgrades it had to be whatever the standard version was. If the savings weren't so good I would have gotten more hd space, but I did end up with more ram and it runs amazing so far.
I did the same for the same reason. I think we can still upgrade with a ton of space via microSD and/or portable SSD
It even says on the “how much memory do I need” section about the recommended memory for the MacBook when editing photos. Memory is a huge factor in workloads.
You wrote 16GB for. both but said 18GB for the pro (not to be nitpicky I'm just not familiar enough with the specs to know which is the case)
the 18 gig number is correct for the pro
I think most of the few small weaknesses of this spec can be easily avoided if its not your only machine, and you have ample storage thats easy to transfer to/work from. Considering the 2k spec went on sale for 1800, its a cost effective powerhouse. I'd love a crazy beefy spec laptop, but the 3-5k could be better spent on a desktop setup.
Another note about raw performance: export times may be similar in some cases but your m3 machine is using less power than your M1 to deliver the same results.
Solid video overall! Thanks for the viewpoint you earned a sub!
Thank you for the support bro!
Is it better to go with M2 Air with 24 GB of RAM and 1TB of Storage rather than going with Macbook Air 15" with 16 GB of RAM and 512 SSD of storage?
The M3 Pro has the same encoders as the M1 Pro for video and 3 less performance cores because they replaced the 8 in the 10-core M1 with only 5 and then increased the total cores to 11 by increasing the efficiency cores from 2 in the 10 core M1 Pro to 6. They also dropped the memory bandwidth from 200 to 150.
I’m saying this respectfully, but I don’t think you understand the basic operation of computing when you say both render times of your da Vinci project we’re the same, you’re not going to get faster rendering time, it’s the scrubbing through the timeline, the features within da Vinci, the individual processing of tasks within da Vinci itself that matter, It’s things like that you have to test, the render time won’t fluctuate much based on the specs of the computer.
If you're doing any sort of 3d rendering work, M1 gpus are completely obsolete. The M3 pro chip is +%100 faster even the binned version with less cores.
Also will be an improvement on AI and single core driven tasks over the M1. For the rest of the tasks such as video editing there shouldn't be much difference.
Thanks 🙏🏾, the honest review indeed !
It’s not confusing. The decoders are the same, that’s why the renders take same ammount of time
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I have a 2015 MacBook Pro! I am looking to upgrade to a MacBook Pro M3 Pro 11/14 CPU GPU.
Did you do it?
I got the 3300£ MacBook Pro 16" M3 Pro and it is genuinely the best investment of my life. It was worth every penny.
@@supersayan8179 yep, lots of bitcoin as well
@@supersayan8179ahahaha. Whats your thoughts on m3 pro bro. I am about to buy my new pc for cs, will use it for machine learning ai etc
There are places where you can change the storage with higher capacity chips.
Is it possible that the programs/apps have not yet been optimized for the M3 chip? Maybe after some updates, you will see big improvement.
It could be possible but I think it’s more to do with the bandwidth and media engine as some other commenters have mentioned
i would like to add that the M3 Pro has fewer performance cores and more efficiency cores. Some programs use only the performance cores.
THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO
I got the upgraded version with a student discount and then used whatever money I had saved for a protective case. 100% worth it. I love my Mac! I personally think you should trade in for the upgraded version and then test to see if that makes any difference in upload time or not
Basically they nerfed the lowest end 14 inch Macbook Pro in order to mask their stealth price increases. Plus, if you were mostly fine with your M1 Pro then I don't understand why you expected such a major uplift.
Apple basically screwed themselves by offering such a large uplift with the original M1 series that they're still using comparisons against old Intel-based Macs in their presentations. There's nothing really there for people who already got on the M1 train early.
When I bought my M2 Air The first thing I did was max out on RAM. My current set up of 24GB with a 1TB drive rarely ever slows down and can handle Logic X and Final cut pro at the same time with 50~70 browser windows in the background. I hardly ever dip into swap territory so I don’t plan to upgrade for a while. I don’t like changing computers because it’s a hassle to set up. So many plugins and sound libraries to install for Logic. My 2013 maxed out MBP lasted 9 years without too much issue. I would have upgraded a year earlier but waited for the M2 Air.
I think it's worth getting the M3 over the M1 or M2 just to have added years of support before it becomes obsolete. For most users, these computers can easily last 8+ years, so buying a year or two old processor shortens the lifespan, even if it is cheaper upfront.
And how does the age of the CPU matter here in any way? These CPUs are all on the same architecture, the only difference is the IPC on M3 got better. Is there anything you can do on M3 Pro but can’t do on M1 Pro other than ray tracing? The only difference is that M3 does some tasks faster. Same screen, same keyboard, same speakers, touchpad, chassis. I rather buy older M1 Max with 32GB RAM rather than base M3 pro with cut down memory bandwidth and 18/512 config. I rather buy older but better config for the same price and upgrade 3 years later than buying inferior hardware for the same price because it will be supported longer. I would never want to have 18GB RAM in 2027…
Apple makes products absolete 7 years after they stop selling them. Older processors will go obsolete quicker than newer ones. Not being able to update the OS eventually stinks. If you’d rather replace in a few years, ok. I’d rather get something better now and keep it for 8-9 years.
@@Maineguy42 36GB/1TB M3 Pro is 50-60% more expensive than 32GB/1TB M1 Pro. I rather get that M1 Pro now and later switch to M5 instead of buying M3 now for that 60% higher price and waiting for M8 or whatever apple is gonna release later.
@@patent5421 I don't think the M1 Pro is even sold new? So you'd rather spend less and get a refurbished, 3 year old laptop. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that. I'd rather spend more and get the newest. Hard to argue against that too.
You went from a Mid level MBP 16" M1 to a base model MBP 14" M3. That's like a side grade. Should have stuck with the M1 Pro 16. 💯
i have the same Mac but the case is that I upgraded from 2015 MacBook Pro so it was a huge upgrade
Your real world tests didn’t match the synthetic benchmarks because exporting video uses the media engine, while the benchmarks tested cpu and gpu. For code compilation it will be a massive increase.
Ram on bottom of upgrading is fkn crazy lol. That's the #1 thing. Especially if you only have 16gb. That's just not enough if your a heavy user and not just browsing Internet and responding to emails.
Yeah I was wrong.
You basically got the same Mac but just with the upgraded chip. Obviously not going to notice a massive difference in performance. Ram is way more important than ssd space as you can use externals for storage you can’t upgrade the ram.
right
If you are a software engineer, consider opting for the 16-inch model instead of the 14-inch version.
Just coming across this & your page. I happen to be weighing a new purchase so your insight is much appreciated. Thank you.
NEW sub now!!
Yes. RAM, RAM, RAM. no matter how efficient Unified Memory is, 8 is still 8 and 16 is still 16.
0:30 Not even a minute in to the video and I'm already getting anxiety from this laptop placement.
lmaoo
2,300 to 4,000 is not a 50% increase. You must use a percentage increase formula. New value - old value / old value X 100. In this case, about 75% increase.
probably typed it wrong
I ended up with the 16" M3 Max base setup 14-Core CPU, 30-Core GPU, 36GB Unified Memory, 1TB SSD Storage. If your coming from a Previous M chip, you really need to go the max, otherwise not worth the upgrade. I would only upgrade if I was on the intel based setups.
You also need to keep in mind, the M chips are unified memory, it's been shared, so you need more, I would not go less than a 32GB option if you want to get good life out of this. 1TB SSD should be your target also, for swap, longevity etc.
For my current use, so far I have seen it jump to 16GB of memory use. This is running VS Code, browser with roughly 6 tabs, connected to external monitor 4k 50", extended display, if I mirror this drops a bit. Rust Compile times are pretty much instant, no difference from my Arch linux desktop actually. Roughly sits at 12GB mem or lower if I am working on the laptop only.
If battery life is a concern, then the max chip is not for you, Base M3 or pro chip only.
I have no regrets going the M3 Max, actually I am glad I didn't go M3 Pro, which I was so close to doing until I researched others experience. I think the main concern is memory, rather than the cpu.
I thought 16GB of unified memory was like 32GB of RAM?
@@psilocypher I am not sure what you mean, but with unified, it means that GPU and Ram memory are one. With apple it also has a swap, which will then kick in if you exceed your unified memory, this is why apple's performance can function so well even on 8Gb, but you will put more wear on your SSD due to caching. Hence why I recommend more Unified Memory
I am in the first year of university studying computer science and engineering. I am going to start specialisation in AI and machine learning from the third year. I am confused between an M3 Pro 16in MacBook Pro or and M3 Air 15in (when it launches) to purchase. I want atleast 15in screen size. Which one would you suggest? Thanks!
For AI and engineering you really are working yourself into a corner with an ARM Mac
If you’re working with machine learning you really need to consider RAM and processing speed. I wouldn’t go the Air route here.
Don’t get a Mac
Then what do you suggest?@@matthewfraney9108
@@dannyw9314would the 11core CPU/ 14 core GPU 18gb ram M3 Pro work for ML?
The 16inch is so riduculously massive compared to the 14 inch, I think they could've made it a bit thinner
Lovely video and very helpful. Thanks
I tried to upgrade from my 2017 15" MBP to the 16" M3 MAX and ended up going back to the 2017 I'm just so used to the Touch Bar and just not worth the 3K price tag when the 2017 still works fine for my needs. I use Parsec to remote into a high end Windows workstation so the increase in power is not needed in my case.
In my opinion Ram should be the first thing you upgrade the main limitations when it comes to the performance is the Ram.
Also the reason why the export time take the same is because they have the same encoder/decoder. I believe the MAX chip have 2 encoder/decoder rather than 1 on the Pro chips. The higher performance of GPU comes when you are playing a video of your timeline without having to render and it being to handle more footage and higher quality footage in your timeline.
I agree, I was wrong when I said RAM wasn't important
Any tips on how to clean the space black coating? Notice some marks that are hard to remove after awhile..
im still rocking the Air M1 8GB and so far has handled everything I need
Apple reduced performance cores to increase efficiency of 14 inch. Which is good for travellars, you as an studio producer should have take 14 core or 16 core cpu model. The 14 inch pro model is not for studio use, it is for back packers and travel vloggers.
yeah the max chip probably would've been a better choice
Thank you man, I have MB pro 1TB 16gb ram, M1-14", and I think you nailed it with your honest review, it it's just a show to spend money on new Apple devices, everything is just a clickbait for spending more and more but the reality is that its not worth it! Best of Luck, Stay safe, God bless you!
M1 and M1 pro are fantastic processors. They completely changed the video editing experience. M2 and M3 though... Not worth the upgrade...
But why would you just use an external SSD for all projects? It doesn’t make sense to always put the footage on your laptop… Your laptop’s SSD gets slower if you keep on putting files on it and removing them since your never fully removing all the data.
I have a MacBook Pro M1 14”, I bought thinking I would like the portability more, specially coming from 17” MSI gaming laptop. However I never needed the portability. Should have gotten the 16” version. I will look to upgrade to the 16” when the M4 comes out. This is even more noticeable since I bought an iPad Air 13” they are so close that it makes my regret more noticeable to me.
How has the 512gb done for you? I just ordered this exact model, kinda worried about storage
How is it after 2 weeks ? Is 512gb enough ?
1:08 it is on purpose so you have to buy the 16' like your previous 16' m1 pro to get those GPU boosts
yes it should be like iphones where pro vs PM is just screen and battery but on mac book they even profit with RAM let alone this
my dad still uses m1 pro with 1Tb
It’s really true that the M1 Pro is still so similar in functional performance. But also, sadly, you bought the Pro during the year that the Pro was downgraded in cores and memory lanes. You bought the differentiated, nerfed version on the year where Max was the only real option for an upgrade if you have an M series. Plus, with only 100GB free space, you are also slowing your system further. I like to keep 500GB free to keep the memory shuffle down.
Yeah I didn’t realize this until uploading. Will probably go with the max chip next time around
Full disclosure, the Max is so rediculous and unnecessary for most things. I had a 5-layer Hvec-10-bit 1 hour project in Davinci Resolve. I had a similar 40 min project in Capcut. I had noise reduction on a lot of parts etc but they were both heavy projects. I exported Davinci Resolve and Capcut at the same time while creating the thumbnails in Photoshop and had a 4K UA-cam stream playing on one of 3 4K monitors. My fans were audible for sure but no lag or slowdown. I also had maybe 40 chrome tabs open because I'm a recruiter with profiles open. I didn't bother to close them. I had Krisp noise reduce a call that occurred during that time, no hickups at all. It was almost like the computer wasn't doing anything. So, would I normally do that? No. In fact, no way. I just wanted to see what was possible. It was idiotic. It's all marketing bro. If I had to replace my system with the M1 Max right now, I wouldn't shed a tear. Trust me, be very happy with your system, it's awesome. Even 3D rendering in Blender... I have an M1 Macbook Air still and it does great. I have some old projects there for 3d Printing. Is it a AAA title gaming render? No, but it's not simple. I'm keeping my system for a long time and recommend the same for everyone that has an M anything.. @@ColeCaccamise
I had to return my m3 pro base (18/512) because it was extremely ram starved in my creative workflows. It would get so laggy in resolve or lightroom and resolve would often crash.
Instead of paying more to upgrade to m3 12 core, just pay the same (instead of more) and get the m2 pro 12 core
Now you have 8 performance cores instead of 5 or 6 only
AND you have 19 cores gpu.
Oh and 16gb with 1Tb ssd.
Am I missing something or is that the best deal ever?
The M1 chip is so good, Apple seem to have struggled to make any significant performance upgrades with the M2 and M3 chips.
You'll be lucky to get 4-5 years out of the soldered SSD, too,when your Mac will be tearing through the life of your SSD because you are bound to use SWAP with that little RAM.
ssd lifespan in the 100s of tb. 100gb or so of swap per day is unlikely on even 8gb ram
@@f-22raptor25 I dunno, I've seen a few of the smaller storage M1s go already and they had some insane TBW numbers. The only reason I could come up with is the swap.
That and the SSDs have a habit of shorting to ground. Pop, bye-bye 3 grand.
I think it's criminal to solder storage to the board with no other options. They should have an m.2 slot somewhere. I could build you a house with all the dead SSDs I've seen in my life.
The M1 pro and M3 pro have the exact same video encoder, so video editing won’t be any faster. The M3 Max chip has two of those encoders and therefore being twice as fast
Makes sense. Thanks man
@@hanish.eclipse I don’t get the question, if there is any
Seems a little small, how do you guys feel about it?
If I never owned a Mac, would you you recommend the M3 Pro at base model without upgrading Ram and storage?
you can currently get a 14 m1 pro on amazon renewed for like 1200. i think thats a crazy deal. there really isn't much reason to go for the m2 or m3 pro over an m1 pro when its still super capable. then you can pocket the difference and upgrade the storage/ram
@@ColeCaccamiseSo you save $500-600 to get a used machine with less CPU? I think the M3 Pro would be just fine for someone who’s never owned a Mac. However, I could understand not upgrading if you already had the M1.
How did this impact your workflow?
It essentially feels the same, day to day tasks feel slightly snappier but not by much
The encoder is usually the bottleneck when exporting videos. Unless you do colour grading and heavy fx the GPU and CPU is hardly used
I was actually going to buy the base M3 pro at the Apple store upgrading the ram to 16GB but Bestbuy is selling rhe M3 pro wirh 18GB of ram for $1,7950 since im a total member. Also Bestbuy is offering $715 in trade credit for my M2 base Air vs Apple offering $600.
Hi! Thanks for the impressive video; did you notice any improvement in the last months? Maybe with software updates?
This is why I dont listen to everyone. He has the style the look the quality of video but is not well versed enough to be giving advice. Great idea making this more of a reflection video especially since people are dropping knowledge in the comments.
lmao fr
But is the m3pro better for games?
Im on a macbook air m1 now and wanna to upgrade to a bigger screen more ram and more power just for a litl wow gameplay and music/video making
Right now i see a refurbed 512gb m3 pro macbook pro 14inch.
Or is there a better choice?
Just saw the video well you are right ssd is low definitely need the 1tb for your work also the pro got 1 fan which I think you need 2 i have the base model m3 max 48 ram 1tb I cracked it with fan control,battery control and gaming let me tell you even with 2 fans they work on almost 6k rpm and still heats up if I had one fan or non definitely there is an explosion happening I suggest for people to save and get max one and leave it up to 6 years maybe more cause at that point all you would need is change battery it can stay up to 10 years it lasts longer and filled with ram
Have you bough the other version the one with 1tb and the core improvements?
I hope I can order a M4 Pro next week :P
did you get it?
@@ColeCaccamise I ordered the M4 Pro 14 core cpu/20 core gpu with 48 GB ram ... lets see how it does. coming from a macbook air M2 lowest spec
gonna pick up the m3 pro 12/18/16 core with 18gb ram and 1tb storage version for $2050 otd (10.25% wack ass cali tax included) at best buy. coming from a 2019 dell xps, im pretty excited.
I honestly don’t understand your complaints. You had a very strong M1 MacBook and the M3 is not as much stronger as you expected. I have an M1 Air it will be a massive upgrade for me.
I expected two gens later it to be a somewhat noticeable difference, but turns out you need to get a much more upgrade version
I remember my first MBP, ive only had like... One... (I since used like, PC's and PC laptops or where im at now with the 15-inch macbook air i got for grad school with a sizeable amount of ram)
It was 4GB of RAM (this was the 2011 13-inch, i got it for a game design/software engineering internship for iOS dev)
One of the first upgrades i had to do was to replace the ram to up it to 16gb
Especially when i needed it to run xcode...
There is no need to upgrade your laptop every 2 or 3 years.. I am thinking of the M4 coming from 2017 model.
Hi Cole, Nice aesthetic video again!
I am debating on Macbook Pro with M3 chip (8-core CPU
10-core GPU
16GB Unified Memory
1TB SSD Storage¹)
and
Macbook Pro with M3 pro chip (11-core CPU
14-core GPU
18GB Unified Memory
512GB SSD Storage¹) .
I will use the laptop for video editing for client works and content editing for myself on Adobe Premier Pro and After Effects. Which one should I choose? Should I go with the higher ram and the pro chip? Or will it give me a headache to move files all the time due to 512ssd?
ummm i have the 512 and i work off an external ssd so i dont notice it. normally i'd push more people towards the air but if youre working in both premiere and ae you might want the extra power of the pro
@@ColeCaccamise I actually went with the M3 Pro chip and upgraded the SSD to 1TB. I will receive it in the next week
@@HashanLOUD nice choice! Are you happy with the machine?
@@doanminhnam OMG! The best investment I ever made. Even After effects runs so smoothly!
what a bad advice to say that the ram memory is the last thing to upgrade...lol it should be the very first. they're unified so you cannot upgrade later and it's the one that makes the big difference, whereas storage memory you can just plug in an external hd
yeah i was wrong at the time
When one trusts a brand and performs a very expensive upgrade to another génération, and being disappointed is the weirdest move a brand can do. They are over paid so they don't care about you
storage is 100% the last thing i recommend buying from apple. Pretty much the only thing you can add on after purchase for an absolute fraction of what apple charge (~£1/$1 per gb?!) it's all about the unified memory with these as you cant upgrade it afterwards
I want to know the chair that you're using. Please reply
I have a MacBook air 13, from 2017, 8gb. I just ordered a MacBook pro 14”, 16gb, 500ssd. What should I expect in terms of video editing and exporting? With what I have now it takes up to 12 hours 😂 😢 to export a 40min 4k video. Thanks in advance!
Tap to click is also a must! Makes it feel much more premium 👍