MOST POWERFUL MacBook vs PC Laptop (RIP Windows?)
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MacBooks have always been overpriced, slow, and they can't even get over 95 FPS when gaming on Counterstrike... At least, that is what's been thrown around internet forums for the better part of the last decade. With Apple's new M3 Max chips though, are those shiny MacBooks finally able to compete with Intel and Nvidia's most powerful systems?
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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS FOR THIS VIDEO:
Q: There are cheaper Windows laptops with similar performance to the Legion 9i, why didn’t you use them?
A: Sure, but I only own the Legion 9i, and didn’t want to spend thousands more on a new one lol. The 9i also has a very comparable screen to the M3 Max MacBook Pro (3.2k resolution and Mini-LED screen). Regardless, price is not what I’m comparing in this video. I’m mostly interested in raw performance (but yes, you can get a similarly powerful Windows laptop for 20-40% cheaper than the M3 Max).
Q: During the Resident Evil gaming comparison, why did you enable DLSS on the Legion laptop? Wouldn’t it be fairer to disable this because the Mac does not support it?
A: I think it's more unfair to intentionally handicap the Legion by disabling DLSS. If you're playing on an RTX GPU, you are going to enable DLSS. The Mac has no raytracing support yet on games, so this is a realistic representation of real-life differences. There is also no DLSS option for "quality" on the Windows machine either.
Q: You look like an Apple fanboy, therefore all the data in this video is inaccurate/fake/biased.
A: IDGAF, and also feel free to compare the results in this video to other publicly available data/benchmarks/results. I did this before releasing the video to cross-reference my findings. I’m confident this video paints an accurate picture of (most) differences.
Q: Why did you compare Intel 13th generation CPUs instead of the new 2024 Intel Ultra lineup?
A: Pretty simple lol - the Ultra lineup was released about 4 days before I uploaded this video. Also, the high-performance Ultra CPUs have not even been announced, let alone the laptops they will ship in.
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00:00 Introduction
01:02 A Few Things…
03:05 CPU Performance
04:23 Creative Workflows
05:31 LESTRANGE Clothes
06:58 Video Editing
08:13 3D Workflows
09:44 Gaming
11:55 Fan Noise and Heat
13:07 Efficiency
13:55 Performance on Battery
14:17 The Future
#m3max #intel #gaminglaptop
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Despite, the MAC coming a long way. And even if say next week the performance was on par to Windows, there would be the 3:1 or more price difference to consider and Apple's stranglehold on the right to repair from 3rd parties. Not to mention the scale of apps & games that are compatible on Windows. However, I think the Apple APU can give the current CPU king, AMD a run of their money.
@@Oppo_Reno8_Pro Use the 'reply' button so that everyone up the chain knows who you're talking to. Just like I did right now !
can you tell me where to find the wallpaper you use on your mac in this video? it's wonderful
Thanks for hardwork, I don't know why people don't notice that arm processors are built different than x86 processors many windows laptops use. They are far more efficient and give good performance because they are essentially similar to Qualcomm smartphones on steroids unlike bulky unefficient cores of intel and amd. Only loophole in arm is gpu which will also develop with time.
No one cares about apple though and lenovo legion is not that good and has poor thermal solutions.
*Macbook:* "It's over Windows, I have the highground."
*Windows:* "I can also play games though."
*Macbook:* "F*CK!"
you must be a next level of stupid to buy any apple products to play games. Macs are usu7ally targeted to students, business and editors/artists.
Yeah mac gotta pettern up fr
@@ymmot2k9 Indeed, it's for draining your wallet.
@@ymmot2k9what’s the point then fr? Most people aren’t doing 3d animation or heavy video editing so what’s the point of the m3
I’m sorry but it can play Java edition mc pretty good…
M3 performance looks great, but in 2023 / 2024 I simply won’t buy a laptop if not even the ssd and ram are upgradeable. It’s an ethics concern at this point.
Upgrade? Lol hahhahahhaha
Who cares
He cares, he literally just said so@@chidorirasenganz
even if we exclude being able to upgrade, it's a science project just to get inside a macbook pro just to clean out the fans and maybe change the thermal paste. I have one, I wouldn't recommend unless you have a specific use case
When do people upgrade their ram or ssd after they buy their computers?
It’s not really a thing for majority of users
Just sell it and get another computer.
Nobody is forcing you to keep your laptops forever
And no, selling your laptop doesn’t mean it’s going to landfill or bad for the environment. It just means one man’s trash and another man’s treasure 😬
Just people crying and bitching when nobody use that talking point for cellphones
Nowadays, cellphones, laptops , tablets are commodities and appliances. They are tools.
Just like you don’t cry about not being able to upgrade your lawnmower or blender or microwave or fridge etc ….
I got my Legion 9i Pro 4090 in December 2023 (Same time as this Video for $2499.00) The MacBook is still $4000.
#IntelCoreUltra Series 1 EVO laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook Pro 2023 and still FASTER video editing than M2 Pro/M3 pro chip without help of dGPU.
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If you want dGPU so buy ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 2024 with ULTRA 9 185H. It has MacBook Pro levels of speakers.
Hp pavilion Plus 14 (68 Wh) with #AMD 7840U has 10 to 11 hours of BATTERY.
Hp spectre x360 14 (68 Wh) with #Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H has 14 to 15 hours of BATTERY. 😱
Intel laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook M2/M3 even though Intel is using Tiles/Chiplet.
Impressive🤯
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It is just the beginning.🎉
Damn bro, you got yourself a great deal for sure
Nah, Legion 9i 4090 is 4899€.
Nope. 👎 The legion is 4K. You musta got yours on sale
RES MY POSTS ABOUT APPLE LONGEVITY! DAMNIT!
M3 wins = praised M3 for winning.
Windows wins = still praised M3 for catching up with Windows.
#IntelCoreUltra Series 1 EVO laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook Pro 2023 and still FASTER video editing than M2 Pro/M3 pro chip without help of dGPU.
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If you want dGPU so buy ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 2024 with ULTRA 9 185H. It has MacBook Pro levels of speakers.
Hp pavilion Plus 14 (68 Wh) with #AMD 7840U has 10 to 11 hours of BATTERY.
Hp spectre x360 14 (68 Wh) with #Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H has 14 to 15 hours of BATTERY. 😱
Intel laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook M2/M3 even though Intel is using Tiles/Chiplet.
Impressive🤯
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It is just the beginning.🎉
I think you know that Windows is an operation system while M3 is chip, so I dont see the point of comparing those two. but if you comparing macOS with windows, then the answer is macOS will NEVER get even close to windows by market share.
I mean when you compare efficiency then ofc it should be like that in reality Apple shouldn’t be winning at all with that efficiency
Lol.. hard not to spot a fan's bias lol
i don't know if you understand but efficiency is a really big deal and it is the future of processors. Apple was being able to compete with the dedicated mobile rtx4090 gpu with their apu that only consumes 50 wattage of power overall.
It is an exciting time for chips. The next couple years should release a bunch of surprises. Apple and AMD really motivated the market to innovate. As always I don't think anyone is cross shopping these laptops. Windows is best at 80-90 percent of flagship abilities for 30% the cost.
AMD and Apple APU will be on the top. And thanks to ARM processor for the Apple M series it draw less electricity which he didn't mentioned.
Poopy mac
You are so fucking retarded go back to elementary moron🤡. 30% means you get some 13500h dogshit and you consider that equal to an m3max?? You are out of your mind 🤡 the m3max is way faster than a 13980hx and faster than a 13900KS. noob
Efficiency matters.
intel and amd will innovate, apple will copy all from them and for their desktop will use 4yo amd gpus
go configurate a mac desktop in the official site youll see over 10k for configuration for wot? old amd gpus
Price to performance is won by Apple??? Some of the posters below me seem to scoff at the idea that people are concerned about upgradability, yet ignore that you can get a 32GB dual SSD in RAID laptop with a dedicated GPU (4060) for 70% what an equivalently performing Macbook would cost. Battery life and HEAT Apple trumps in spades, but there is more to buying a laptop than that. A LOT more.
It's the base spec with barely enough memory & storage space that looks very generously priced, once you need more expect your wallet to feel a lot lighter...
pretty sure laptops are meant to be portable pcs so the whole definition of having a laptop is that efficiency is forefront. it’s like buying a phone but it dies in 10 minutes because it has an inefficient CPU (bUt ThE PerForManCe is GooD!)
@@skitsah9775 Heavily depends on where you work & how you work. In most instances I have access to power outlets & don't really NEED hours long battery life, but may need more GPU horsepower than Apple is able to offer 🤷🏻♂️
Whatever suits your needs is what you get.
@@skitsah9775 in your example...you're saying the phone that dies in 20 minutes is better than the one that dies in 10. Ok...YoU wIN.
@@XBRoughneck Please explain where I implied that worse battery life (10 minutes) was better
My recommendation is to buy both mac and PC and whichever is respecting the consumers needs is the one to stick with. I have PC for upgradeability and mac for portability. PC desktop is best for upgrade paths and macbook is nearly unbeatable for portability and great battery life.
how can you say that when with the same spec, regardless of bottlenecking, the price of a windows laptop (gaming) is cheaper than a desktop? Windows needs to release its own processor and make it awesome.
Desktop will die sooner or later anyway
You can’t ignore bottle necking really as that is an important factor but even ignoring that a desktop gpu generally has more power than a laptop gpu. The ram upgrade in a desktop will normally be far greater than a laptop. When a laptop breaks you have to send it in for repairs if the motherboard dies. If your desktop motherboard dies you just buy a new one in the store. The flexibility and upgrade ability on a desktop is in a different league than a windows laptop. If you are running any kind of business that requires constant up time get a desktop. If you are just gaming than sure a laptop is fine. If you really want to go with laptop then I would recommend buying 2x if you are running a business so that when one goes down and needs repairs you can use the 2nd one. Honestly you can make any option work it just requires planning so I understand your perspective on going with laptop as well.
@@Ajayharrysimon "Desktop will die sooner"???
A Business office setup is a joke to you? Please tell which IT department prefers to deploy laptop rather than desktops. I would love to know. 🤣🤣
fully agreed.
@@AjayharrysimonI don’t think desktops will ever die, unless cloud computing becomes standard, which wouldn’t be unprecedented but it would be super bad for consumers in general. You’re always going to get more performance for less money if you have more space to work with, and we if we ever hit a performance wall it can be overcome just by making Bigger Desktop PCs. The demand for more performance isn’t going to go down either, since more and more performance leads to more and more immersion and realism in experiences. Until we are able to simulate an entire universe down to subatomic levels, people will want more performance. And they might even want more after that.
Really appreciate the effort put into making this video! Great comparison!
Glad you liked it!
Wow, crazy high quality of comparison review. Content and visuals are top notch.
The admin give like to this comment because you praised him & for his work,
but many of the comments are about highlighting points that he missed or left,
I think he didn't even care about other side of comments, so thats why the admin didn't liked those comments.
So here my point is why he making partially to the audience who give views and he gets ad monetization. even earns money by promotion so he have to give equality to every person, & give like to every one,
Thanks a lot for doing this exact comparison. I've been waiting for this video on youtube for months. Great video :)
M3 is epic and it uses 1/3 wattage.
Incredible efficiency.
Ya thats why it beats even the best custom pc builds too
but only in efficiency
No pc builder cares about efficiency
@@fbkensarhd5279 I do especially in outdoors
My Raspberry Pi5 uses even less power 😂
@@ashutoshtiwary9605lol 😂😂
I upgraded from the i9 MacBook Pro to the M3 and I seriously feel like an alien made the M3, the efficiency jump is ridiculous. Not a single hitch, it feels so strange to not fight with the system at all. No lag at all or waiting for anything.
What made you wait with an i9? Its all about the use case, so you should share yours. There are people buying a Mac for 3k just to use Office, Browsing and Netflix...
@@benedictlang7431 Return on investment.
bro apple did the first good cpu M3 with the price over 3k but for play good need to be installed gefrocenow for better performance without cloudgaming the M3 will go in overheating with optimizations all the app for macos they must be lightened and well optimized for macbook
@@benedictlang7431 To someone making tech money three or four grand is couch money. Maxing out hardware has no downside when the cost is irrelevant to that particular consumer.
unfortunately true, those who can afford the best usually buy the best no matter what because why not?! lol@@Comm0ut
If resident Evil Village were on max settings for both windows ad MacOS that means that the PC was doing a lot more. Windows version supports hardware RT so that would make it much heavier
Umm Mac version also supports ray tracing, I’m looking at it in the settings menu of RE Village on my MacBook Pro right now. And actually, the Mac was doing more - he had the PC set to DLSS performance mode, and the Mac set to MetalFX quality mode. They were trading blows in fps but the Mac looks noticeably sharper with better shadows (although that last part might be the better display).
@@Epicgamer_Mac When did the Mac version add in RT?
#IntelCoreUltra Series 1 EVO laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook Pro 2023 and still FASTER video editing than M2 Pro/M3 pro chip without help of dGPU.
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If you want dGPU so buy ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 2024 with ULTRA 9 185H. It has MacBook Pro levels of speakers.
Hp pavilion Plus 14 (68 Wh) with #AMD 7840U has 10 to 11 hours of BATTERY.
Hp spectre x360 14 (68 Wh) with #Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H has 14 to 15 hours of BATTERY. 😱
Intel laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook M2/M3 even though Intel is using Tiles/Chiplet.
Impressive🤯
💪
It is just the beginning
@@Epicgamer_Mac Finally someone gets it 🙌. I'm embarrassed for all of these "PC experts" that don't understand this (I don't call myself an expert but I've been building custom PCs for 15 years, so I know a thing or two). Some comments even said I was purposefully nerfing the PC just so the Mac would get better FPS, as if Apple themselves are paying me millions to advertise Macs 😂. Crazy the lengths they will go to to defend their favorite platform.
Yes, DLSS is set to performance mode on the Legion which is literally designed to boost FPS as much as possible using the hardware in the RTX GPU, but without sacrificing too much graphical quality. At the time of shooting this video, Resident Evil Mac did have a "performance" mode like I mentioned in the video but it also came with a horrific downgrade in graphical quality which no one in their right mind would use.
@@Epicgamer_Mac Fanboy BS 🤣🤣😆
It's efficient but the price is not as efficient as their efficiency
I was searching this particular comparison. Thnx a lot
A couple months ago I was give by my employer an M1 Macbook 14 and I really enjoyed the general experience of using it, but had to switch to a windows laptop because the Mac didn't handle working with game engines very well, but this and future M-chip macbooks look like they'll be viable for game development.
Now if only the EU would force apple to make macbook hardware upgradeable down the line....
that aint gonna be a thing if you want good ram and gpu performance in your mac. 'cause the ram and gpu is in the same chip as the cpu so you would have to change the whole M-chip if you nwanted better ram for example. and if apple made them sepperate it would suffer from the same thing that is with pci-express. Speed. Yes pci-e is getting faster over time but no where near the speeds of apple silicon
If the EU force them to make it upgradeable you wont get that same performance anymore. The whole way the M-chip Macs work has every component (unified memory, cpu and gpu etc) in the one chip.
By letting you upgrade individual components, they can’t make it compact or nearly as efficient anymore because building your system in a more modular non-integrated way would negate all the performance improvements that apple have brought to the table.
I am all about right to repair though, let me fix my own laptop goddamn it!! 😭
If the EU forced that the macbook would increase in size and be a hunk of crap like some Dell XPS132312-EU-JP-MODEL132-JFVVV-SDFF-13.344123-XPSU-UD or something
Apple showcases itself as a premium brand. Will Ralph Lauren want or think of their customers to get their clothes and alter them at a tailor store? That is how apple is. Their premium feel and look comes out of the sophisticated Mac os and build… so naturally to want to set them apart from brands like MSI, or Lenovo they don’t give an upgrade option. And like others said since everything stays inside the chip we can’t ask for them
Unbelievably Fantastic review there. It is now for the buyer to weigh priorities and decide. Thanks 👍
Hey this was outstanding!! Just a tip. If you could do a text prompt when the fan audio test came to an end. I kind of got blown away by your smooth voice because I turned up the volume to hear them side by side
Cheers from Melbourne Mate!
One of the few of youtubers who actually uses GPU acceleration to show fair comparison with Macs 😂
and it still didn't show anything, just tables and graphs
@@artemlapunov oh you mean the graphs with the data required to make a comparison ? yall will do anything except admit apple silicon is good lol
@@tenooji_ you are a typical idiot. how can i buy a macbook if there are no videos of viewport working? as long as people like you live and people like you are the majority, normal people will suffer
@@tenooji_ These people are morons lol, just ignore them.
"it still didn't show anything, just tables and graphs" is one of the dumbest things I've read on this video. What am I supposed to do instead? Upload a video 40+ hours long of me doing all the testing in real-time with no cuts? Delusional...
@@romancotton8536Mac’s has rt, even the Iphone 15 pros has hardware accelerated rt.
Considering one platform can do it all (Windows) and the other platform (macOS) will require you to buy a separate machine if you want to do gaming, I think it's safe to say that many many people will choose Windows simply for the fact that they don't want/have the room for 2 systems. The GPU performance of the M3 is also not at all on the same level as Nvidia or AMD. Apple will have to up their GPU performance significantly if it wants to be able to compete in gaming. Until then, I guess we still have to buy Windows. Which is a shame really because macOS is quite nice for work tasks and the physical quality of their computers are really nice. Hopefully this M-adventure is the start of something great and Apple will continue their efforts into real gaming and not just mobile gaming..
FACT CHECK FALSE.
@@tonyburzio4107 Explain.
separate machine? thats wrong lmao
Old news, if one platform performs your primary tasks better & your secondary tasks well enough - go with that. This video shows that now works both ways Games 1st/Work 2nd = Windows, Work 1st/Games 2nd = Mac (depending on your work). What the video doesn't show is that even a base M2/M3 is fine for optimised 1080p gaming and that many Windows games now work capably on a Mac Mx Pro/Max via Whisky.
@@daveh6356 but what games are you gonna play?? thats the questions your choice is very limited and i mean very limited
One major issue with gaming on the Macbook Pro is that the display has a very slow response time. Apple would have to release a gaming laptop, ideally with an Oled or high response time Mini-Led.
Another is not all games are on Mac. Only a handful of games.
That being said, Intel, AMD, and Nvidia need to work on making more efficient chips with better IPC.
They should just put a 144hz display on their next line of pc's
Very important point, nobody mentions display response time aside from NoteBookCheck
it has 120hz but its still slow response time@@Kattoe
Thank you very much for the detailed tests!!!
Not even a minute into the video and I genuinely am so impressed with the aesthetic put into your environment for the video. Love the lighting and everything about it! Quality production man
Thanks mate! I've been trying to improve the quality a lot, my next one should be a banger, spent a tonne of time improving the lighting and coloring.
The video quality is so great that I stopped the video on my phone and resumed it on my 4k tv to achieve full video experience.
I love this comparison. Up until Mac is able to handle 3D applications like CG art and Gaming, and Windows is able to keep pace well enough when it comes to video production software, personally, I'm sticking to Windows. But just because of the efficiency of these chips alone, I hope that Intel & AMD see this as a threat and catch up so that Windows laptops are useful off the wall, or Mac somehow gets better at these tasks while keeping up with efficiency. Either way, this is a fantastic time to be a tech nerd.
Apple always wins in terms of efficiency, But they make the stuff so expensive. But the unified memory actually amazing compared to dedicated memory in windows laptops.
@@K20Alfonzo It has not much to do with the Memory but the chip architecture!! Offcourse Arm based processors are much efficient than x86 architecture! what is really appreciatable is Arm based processors did many R&D's and made chips more powerful over the years without sacrificing the effeciency! while x86 has no significant upgrade over years in terms of effeciency!!!
@@aakashvinayaksankar5857 ill be honest, apple never cared about innovation right after the IPhone x. They only care about money, but ill say that their processors are so effiecent, that there isnt a massive differennce between each generation.
Snapdragon x wlit
What about the 7i pro with the 13900hx and 4090? This can be had for $2500 currently. Thousand dollars cheaper than the 9i pro with the water cooled vram and carbon fiber lid….
Do you see the fact of water cooled of 7i pro, it is useless and not efficiency for using at all. Just only for having in spec that using liquid cooling in system.
@@icpoo1915 I was referencing those components adding to the cost of 9i. The 7i does not have the small water loop in it.
Thank you so much I have been waiting this so long, you earned sub
It's all fun and games until you have to run mario 🗿
I have the privilege to have a desktop pc for power and storage, and a m2 max macbook for portability. Love both worlds. Tbh, the mac makes my life way easier and is even faster in everything than my pc, huge plus for having airdrop, but for some tasks I prefer my desktop setup. Sometimes I need more screen real-estate
lucky man
@@vroomwatches fore sure am. I really enjoy technology and I basically work to buy cool stuff. I also edit videos so I need alot of power 😅
I have a similar situation, a pc for gaming and sometimes for working. And a M1 Pro for working. When I switch to windows and have to transfer from my phone (iPhone) to windows it is very difficult to do it. Perhaps on mac, transfer is so easy with airdrop. I shared a folder in windows and transfer files through samba(? No remember) but no working as expected sometimes.
Same situation here, but without the Mac yet. Looking for the exact one as in this test. 48gb should be enough, right?
@@robertkamer1820 If I were you, I would look into the m2 max. I think its cheaper and as good as the brand new ones, + bonus for already having all adobe software m2 ready. I think m3 still has some software issues with adobe and silicon, etc etc. 48gb is more than plenty, I don't know what you do but I edit high end music videos with heavy video codecs, and its a breeze for my mac.
loved your video just subscribed for the knowledge
My understanding is that the difference are 3nm (ARM) vs 10 nm (x86), ARM use RISC; this use instructions that are executed in simple blocks and runs individualy in every cicle of the procesor. On the other hand, x86 use CISC, this runs more complex instructions and one can run in several cicles of the processor, which needs more power. ARM is great because basically have differents "processors" inside and each of those runs an specific instruction and the RAM in this case is in the same "space of instructions", Apple put the RAM closer, which is better. On the other hand, x86 uses all cores for everything, this can be bad or good, it depends on the task and instruction. Nvidia also use ARM and other specific cores for raytracing (RT cores) and AI.
Windows gaming pc and a mac laptop. Best combo IMO 🔥
The typa combo I plan to make
I have thsi combo. It still reigns as a supreme combo.
same. I like both worlds
Using whatever laptop you have as your gaming PC
@@ryderprogram honestly efficient. for me specially as a college student
I’m excited for the future of mac, but at the time i feel like they miss the mark on important selling points. Some aren’t their fault, like little support for gaming and several windows apps, but some, like refusing to offer a touchscreen option or any upgradability, is entirely apples fault. Hopefully they address these issues sooner
It's not Apple's fault. Like how they made such a show for the already 7-8 yrs old usb c, they'll do the same with touchscreen. they'll introduce it far in the future showcasing it as technological innovation and will ask for an extra grand just for that.
@@uzairahmed8260 "Like how they made such a show for the already 7-8 yrs old usb c"
What a stupid comment. They were the first major company to strongly push USB C back in 2016.
@@hajjdawood Two things can be true at the same time, they were forced to put usb c into the iphone because lightning made them money because its propreitary.
I think we need to take another look at the fact that the m3 can perform at full steam on battery. That kind of power efficiency is insane, and you aren’t tethered to a wall
just for yall to know, this is a last generation intel processor. the latest generation is 14 or the ultra series
the Macbook keyboard is ok for typing but it just sucks for gaming because of the key travel
In my opinion, most laptop's KB is bad for gaming, external keyboard will be better choice for get better experience in gaming.
Amazing comparison but I just wanted to mention, when comparing RE village, it was unfair to use ray tracing on the windows machine. Rather, you should've tested the raw performance on both or the performance with DLSS set to quality on the windows machine.
I think it's more unfair to intentionally handicap the Legion by disabling DLSS. If you're playing on an RTX GPU, you are going to enable DLSS. The Mac has no raytracing support yet on games, so this is a realistic representation of real-life differences. There is also no DLSS option for "quality" on the Windows machine either.
@@CreatedTechDLSS has the same amount of strain on the chip as maxed out raytracing?
You do know that “quality” is much more straining than “performance”, right?? Performance mode trades quality to get… performance.
@@Epicgamer_Mac Yeah? but the thing is the upscaling stuff on mac and windows are different. In order for a fair test of pure performance he should've just turned off any sort of upscaling or ray tracing. Because mac and windows are really different in that aspect. Ray tracing is hella intensive if you didn't know, and using that on the windows machine gave it a much harder time, of course DLSS helped but it stil would've been more idle if he hadn't used anything and had just compared the raw performance
@@CreatedTech yeah but the thing is, ray tracing is intensive (af) on the gpu, well ignore the DLSS but the test has to be fair on both sides. its somewhat like testing the two machines on entirely different graphical settings. With the windows machine having an "extremely intensive" preset while the mac had a "normal preset". I totally agree that players are gonna use DLSS and in some cases ray tracing in real world use, but this isn't necessarily about that(specially cause you mentioned that 'they both perform similarly'), it's about comparing the two machines, and for that you should've gave the exact same scenarios for both machines, just because one can support more graphical features doesn't mean that using them is fair. Its like running a marathon, but one runner has to carry some extra 10 kilo weights just because he can. But that obviously isn't fair if you're trying to compare the two rivals
Nice video bro i love quality and sound setup everything keep doing
Snapdragon be sitting in the corner sipping a drink while watching the two rivals measure each other's RAM size.
Its kinda apple sided comparison. Idk why but i feel it. Anyone?
Tell us what’s a fair comparison
@@jameswoolf1440 Not choosing a random computer and act its the prophet of ALL WINDOWS COMPUTERS ON THE PLANET? Get a life.
Lower power means much longer battery life ! I still have an M1 Max (now 3 years old) and I can still use it for work all day (8-9 hours) and then use it in the evening for another 3-5 hours and often it still has 10-20% battery remaining, basically the only time my Mac is plugged in is when it is on charge overnight. This is the reason I use an M Series Mac Book, it is very fast, quiet, cool and does not need to be plugged in when being used. Benchmarks tell people nothing important, everyday use is the key, and with Mac's now costing around the same money as equilent PC Laptops, there is no comparision, if you use your computer as a laptop...
I also like the fact that the macs last a lot longer then most windows. I'm guessing every window/PC gets a new parts every 3-4 years while the macs can go for 5 years without dropping significantly in performance
@@goheezyyplays7929 it really depends, my pc i bought with core i5 4th gen, it lasts till this year that i bought and upgrade to ryzen 5 5600, so i passed almost 10 gens to change something in my pc, and it was still smooth, just need an recent processor to play recent games, for every other task that i do it served really well, anyway my upgrade renewed my entire pc with new gen performance and it costed me arround 600, my brother bought a mac pro for 2100...
@@goheezyyplays7929 Its good that you said "guessing" because you really seem to know nothing about computers
mine died on its 4th year. never used it fro any heavy processing except for Microsoft's 360 application. That "guess" came from a personal exp.
really great job bro … always i wished compare this 2 product that are the top in that world market Laptop now 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Excellent video. One of the things most people miss, is that, unlike Windows-based gaming laptops, you can actually game on a Macbook without it being plugged in - Apple's hardware notoriously performs almost identically whether you're on battery or not. Try doing that on a Legion... Cheers
I love how people always compare one single brand to the whole industry.
because that one brand shoots the first bullet on the whole industry.
because that one brand is only one who make something different
Each one excels in its own purpose.
Mac: video / photography edition
Lenovo: Gaming / performance
Performance? 😂 Just leave it at gaming man.
More like
Mac: video/photography/software development/office work/day to day usage
Lenovo: Gaming/Warming up a small room in winter.
@@hajjdawood try to do some 3D rendering with the apple gpu, let’s see how it performs.
@@omarcortes5754 Im not a graphics artists or renderer. Using the Blender version that supports Apple Silicone. The current M3 beats the 3090 in performance and uses less than 100 watts of power (Apple doesnt provide a solid number which is infinitely annoying) and is relatively close to the power of the laptop version of the 4090.
Nobody can deny Nvidia did an amazing job on the raw power of the 4090 and is the absolute best for rendering 3D graphics, for now. The M3 Ultra is coming soon, and if the past is a good indicator then the Ultra will be close or maybe even surpass the 4090 in raw power.
But for now if you need the fastest possible machine get a 4090. If you want to render on the go, the macbook pro will be plenty fast without a drop in power when on the go.
@@omarcortes5754 true, as he mentioned, apple takes a lot of time to render stuff, also apple is pretty good for portability tho, because of it's battery life, it can easily be used in a day, but talking about windows, there is a diversity if one wants to upgrade, you cant upgrate ram or storage in a mac, but you can in a window's laptop, so if you want to upgrate windows laptop to a newer technology, then you can, in mac, you would need to buy a new one, and also it's the price point, i wont say much about that
Man did this review when the m3s are blazing new but couldnt wait for the new intel ultra or amd 8000 series chips to come out to compare them, the new chips have heaps of improved efficiency
The Adobe tests had the Lenovo laptop performing competitively on most tests, but still slightly behind. If someone wanted to game with a wider selection, they could do that with Lenovo and not lose much for video/photo editing.
But loose a lot on portability, fan noise, heat and battery
@@shanesahilreddyudumula Heat, yes. Battery life is a bit overrated if majority of your heavy workload is done at home or at a work office.
@@akin242002Yeah… but it’s a laptop. Battery is still kinda the whole point.
@@Tr4ns1st0r if we customers were demanding enough, windows would have a proper competition with macs. I think the Ryzen 7940HS comes close in performance per watt efficiency. Its performance is either better or on par with M2 max.
But every windows fan would say "bAtTery/hEat dOesnT matTer". I own the Asus G14 2021 model and Macbook pro(M2).
The windows laptop is just a noise and heat machine.
@@Gauravmann Exactly. And I hope Qualcomm’s new ARM chip succeeds. We need more competition, Apple’s gotten *far* too complacent.
Apple did great gains with the M3 but there are many other issues that will leave them as a niche product. The main issue is still price, especially outside the US where Apple products become prohibitively expensive and priced less competitively relative to legion laptops or similar products (TUF i9 is cheaper then Legion i9). This gets worse if you don't buy top notch devices and go for something like MacBook air Vs i7 laptops (like i7 legion or i7 ASUS TUF). The MacBook air it 50% more expensive.
Apple also has nothing to offer below the MacBook air while there are many i5 laptops with half the price if you just need a laptop without gaming or video editing. UA-camrs like to measure everything by video editing while I rarely see people doing video editing, mostly office use and coding for which any i5 laptop will manage.
Asus TUF is probably the worst gaming laptop bruh. But you are right, the point is that you have a choice and can find whatever suits you and what you can afford (for students, for example)
@@dlevchik why though? I recently just got one lol
@@dlevchikno bro you're so dead wrong
This the comment i have been looking for😊
calling the Mac niche is stupid, more people buy MacBooks than any single gaming laptop line lol
I've recently bought a mac, love the battery life and silent fans. I use a windows VM for the few things only available on windows, best of both worlds imo
Biggest thing coming up will be seeing how much the M3 or M4 improve on what's there. 4090's already (wow I know) been out for a couple years so it's going to be 5090 time, soon.
Okay. Let's try this review again with Intel's Core 9 Ultra chips.
the ultra chips is very slow in compare with m3 pro only
@@Aloxcs
The M3 may be efficient but the whole architecture around it is just one giant bottleneck.
The performances are just laughably bad in comparison to the price.
But hey, Apple fanboys are known to be gullible whales.
This dude wears Apple Watch, it says all :D
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This is why I stopped watching the video immediately
Mac - Productivity
Windows - Gaming
Don't try to mix the two or you're gonna have a bad time.
womp womp Apple is better for getting real work done
@@l0strobot you meant window: both?
windows: What color is your gta5
The efficiency is mostly due to turbo mode on the windows machine but if that was disabled the cpu power usage would be quite similar.
I have a M1 Mac Pro. Trying to game on that is hell. Most of the games dont work. Even for the one's that work you cant get them working by just installing, you have to do some work around.
My razer blade can game super easily, but the 4-6 hours of battery make me cry.
@@LazyBoyA1 when you are on battery disable dedicated graphics card from bios.
the workaround for most games consists of installing the game through steam running in crossover, its really not hard unless youre slow or something
The main areas where those two laptops seem to be close are the ones where Apple has the advantage, and the biggest performance differences are where the Lenovo Legion outperforms, and the Lenovo Legion is hardly the best performing Windows laptop.
I think the buyers I'd recommend the MacBook Pro to are those doing graphic design or who require a laptop that can perform well on demanding tasks while on battery, and/or require a long battery life. Also for those who require awesome speakers. An ordinary office worker would probably get more value from a MacBook Air or an Asus ZenBook, and gamers or those looking for desktop replacements should just skip Apple laptops.
At last, I see windows vs mac on battery mode. Appreciate for what you did mate👍.
Biased comparison. Wrong comparison
#IntelCoreUltra Series 1 EVO laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook Pro 2023 and still FASTER video editing than M2 Pro/M3 pro chip without help of dGPU.
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Hp pavilion Plus 14 (68 Wh) with #AMD 7840U has 10 to 11 hours of BATTERY.
Hp spectre x360 14 (68 Wh) with #Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H has 14 to 15 hours of BATTERY. 😱
Intel laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook M2/M3 even though Intel is using Tiles/Chiplet.
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@@HDRPC Macbook can last for 25 hours lmao.
Do you have a link for the posters in this video? They looked really cool 😎
Great comparison here! give it a few years and I think I'll probably be picking up an apple silicon based machine, perhaps an M4 or M5, can't wait to see how things progress there. Also can't wait to see how Windows on ARM progresses too, I hear NVIDIA and AMD are working on ARM based SoCs now, so that'll certainly be interesting. Really exciting stuff.
I feel like a fully functional ARM windows operating system would be difficult. With the sheer amount of apps made for windows and the lack of control Microsoft has over them, it's gonna be a hard battle to fight
Arm is coming to Windows look up Qualcomm and their new chip. It has the potential to be faster than the M3
@@xXjasaXxits 27% faster
@@mr.goodman4761 Gonna have to run it through a compatibility layer.
@@Codyslx Maybe but that solution for Windows is harder then it was for Apple cuz for it to be as good as apples someone would have to build a compatibility layer for hundreds of completely different ARM chips rather then just 3, unless each arm chip manufacturer comes up with their own compatibility layer, but enforcing that would be hard
I've always had this thought. It seems that Apple always runs the harware at battery levels of performance. Meaning that whether plugged in or not, the performance stays the same. I wonder how much more performance they could get if it were boosted when plugged in (similar to how the windows based laptops work)
It can't be boosted, it's the feature/trade off of arm architecture.
@@strawberry_cake1703Actually I think Qualcomm just proved that wrong. They allow one or two cores of the X Elite to boost to 4 GHz, whereas normally they’re in the 3.5-ish range. If Apple did the same thing that could be cool, but honestly, probably only necessary for benchmarks.
Considering the M3 Max CPU devours everything we used to consider competition, I’d say it doesn’t NEED that though 😂
@@Epicgamer_Mac x elite hasn't launched yet has it
@@strawberry_cake1703 It is launching.
it can be, there's a high perf mode on 16" max series mbp
I have a mac. By factory settings, it is silent, but it is very conservative about how the fans will be activated. The focus is a very slow rpm until it gets hot really hot.
I have a setup with 3 monitors (using display link) plus integrated monitor. A lot of apps. It is warmer than just one screen with a few app (totally obvious) but the fans didn’t start working until the cpu hits a high temperature and it feels uncomfortable to use.
I changed the fan settings. They will be working in a minor temperature and being colder than before. So, the silence is incoming with some sacrifices (more temperature)
Please do a video of your setup including desk , monitor ,monitor stand, mouse keyboard laptop stand etc .... , Great video as always .
Microsoft is starting to develop their ARM system. It is hoped that the battery life problem of Windows laptops can be solved, and Nvidia has also launched their ARM system a long time ago. It is undeniable that the greatness of Windows is in the discrete GPU for 3D and its upgradeability.
the model you tested is it the macbook pro with 128gb ram m3 max?
48 GB ram.
I've been a Mac user my entire life. Born in 94, and have been using Macs since 1997. And so clearly I have a preference, (although I hated all the Macs from 2016-2020 and so used a 2015 MBP for 8 years.) But 2023/2024 is the first year that I am actually interested in these windows PCs. They finally look nice to use and have a relatively premium feel to them, good battery life and lower power draw, and they have great performance.
Sad that H.265 (HEVC) isn't included in most of these comparisons which is the most taxing codec which I solely use.
You can run Windows 11 on the M3
I would like to see a similar test against something like the upcoming Framework 16" with the 7940HS at a comparable spec to the macbook.
I currently have 2 Dell Precision 7760s, with Intel(R) Xeon(R) W-11955M CPU @ 2.60GHz 2.61 GHz, 16GB NVIDIA RTX A5000 Graphics Card, and 64GB of ram for my work computers. They can handle anything I throw at them with 3D, interactive, multimedia presentations. But now that I create high-end presentations with 70-90 4K videos in them, it can no longer get through an entire presentation. Oddly enough, I run the same presentation on an old, 16" MacBook Pro, M1 Pro with 16GB of ram and it runs it flawlessly. There is something to be said about having access to all of that unified memory and the way Macs process it. I am now looking to get a 16" MacBook Pro, M3Max with 128GB of memory.
It will be interesting to compare M3 and Intel Core Ultra (Meteor Lake) laptop in the future.
You need to compare M3 Max with Intel Core Ultra 9 that is coming soon !!!
which uses even more energy...
It's already insane, that Apple uses like 3-4x times less energy to do tasks at the same or even better speed.
If u watched this video in its totality and still came up with that, you have poor comprehension. 😅
@@AlmightyEye you either have very poor understanding of my comment !! , intel core ultra just come out , dave2d channel he compared the energy efficiency+performance ( core utlra 7 ) similiar to M2
if compare with M3 Max , Core utlra 9 should be the good match !! ,
I don't mean intel CPU is better than m3 max , but it's interesting to see
@@DennisSchmitz we all know intel use insane more energy ,but intel core ultra just come out , dave2d channel he compared the energy efficiency +performance ( core utlra 7 ) similiar to M2
if compare with M3 Max , Core utlra 9 should be the good match !! ,
@@DennisSchmitzoh no not this time around
at 4000 dollars just build a pc
last time i checked i couldnt carry a pc around
@@FuriouslyFamousBGYou can thats why laptops exist
@@FuriouslyFamousBGim tired of ppl intentionally missing the point
Bro has a full apple watch ⌚️ stop the cap 😂
I have an M2 MacBook Air and I am impressed on how this perfomance/watt is important. I can travel gaming with my MacBook while I couldn’t with a windows gaming laptop. It’s the BEST at that? No. It’s not because developers are not massively optimizing their apps for the Mac YET. I would love to play Assassin’s Creed Mirage on it though.
run window on mac to see if it still efficiency😂
i think you forgot to mention that M3 price is twice as much as a legion 😄
I showed you the pricing at the start of the video. The Legion is about $400 USD cheaper than the Mac.
There’s another legion that is far cheaper than the 9i and probably goes toe to toe with it. Should compare the 7i pro with 13900hx and 4090. 1500 dollars cheaper than the mac.
@@vietnecheese A good point and that is actually the version I recommend over the 9i in my 9i review video. That being said the screen on the 9i is also very comparable to the Mac being Mini-LED and also 3.2k resolution, which I wanted to compare in another video. So I went with the 9i!
@@CreatedTech maybe I should have browsed your channel and watched that video first! Good video and very informative. It is good to know you find the mini-LED panels to at least be competitive with the Apple ones
#IntelCoreUltra Series 1 EVO laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook Pro 2023 and still FASTER video editing than M2 Pro/M3 pro chip without help of dGPU.
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If you want dGPU so buy ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 2024 with ULTRA 9 185H. It has MacBook Pro levels of speakers.
Hp pavilion Plus 14 (68 Wh) with #AMD 7840U has 10 to 11 hours of BATTERY.
Hp spectre x360 14 (68 Wh) with #Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H has 14 to 15 hours of BATTERY. 😱
Intel laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook M2/M3 even though Intel is using Tiles/Chiplet.
Impressive🤯
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NEED IS MOST IMPORTANT THING WHAT SOFTWARE SUPPORTS CHOOSE IN THAT WAY.
How does Windows in a VM work? Would it be a better way for Windows gaming? Especially if you could pair it with an eGPU?
I have a Mac m3 max but you can’t compare rtx 4090 to m3 the m4 40 core has 14 teraflops compute performance and the rtx 4090 laptop has 32 teraflops compute power a better comparison would be rtx 4050-4060.
The media engines do the heavy lifting in the video editing timeline but as soon as you start using any 3d or effects it’s gonna start having a harder time.
You absolutely can compare the two lol... Just because the 4090 has "more teraflops" doesn't mean that translates into real-world performance. You are forgetting the new GPU optimizations in the M3 Max chip, unified memory making all 48GB of RAM available for the M3 Max GPU etc. PugetBench GPU and Effect scores on both After Effects and Premiere Pro were quite close between the two. So yes, they are extremely comparable and choosing a RTX 4050-4060 is not a fair comparison at all.
@@CreatedTech photo editing isn’t that intensive and video editing the Mac is fantastic when using supported codecs and it’s just slicing it up and adding the odd text. Granted that’s all most videos need so the excess horse power goes unnoticed. I have the 30c max and it’s fantastic I like it.. that being said I also understand if I buy a $1000 rtx 4060 laptop it’s going to slap the apple logo off my Mac if I do any type of 3d or heavy rendering and gaming.
Efficiency is where apples true power is not in raw performance. The media engines consume very little power and allow your cpu and gpu to go largely unhindered. I like the ability to have a longer battery life while being unplugged. However anytime anyone is doing anything intensive we are mostly plugged in anyways. Even max stress your MacBook unplugged and your gonna get like an hour or hour and half. Light work get a full day it’s fantastic.
The unified memory is great but it’s still not crazy fast 300gbs for me 400gbs for you an rtx is 576gbs second.
I’m not belittling or undermining MacBooks I have one and love it.. it just uses a lot of little tricks to give an illusion of higher capabilities.
Pick an unsupported codec on the m3 and pick it on an rtx 4090 and have them both render it out you might find they are both slower but the rtx might start being able to flex those cuda cores.
@@mccubbing23 Just checking if you actually watched the video?
"Pick an unsupported codec on the m3 and pick it on an rtx 4090 and have them both render it out you might find they are both slower but the rtx might start being able to flex those cuda cores."
I literally did that and the Mac was faster. DNxHR is a codec much more suited to Windows and is not supported by any of the Mac's media engines.
#IntelCoreUltra Series 1 EVO laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook Pro 2023 and still FASTER video editing than M2 Pro/M3 pro chip without help of dGPU.
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If you want dGPU so buy ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 2024 with ULTRA 9 185H. It has MacBook Pro levels of speakers.
Hp pavilion Plus 14 (68 Wh) with #AMD 7840U has 10 to 11 hours of BATTERY.
Hp spectre x360 14 (68 Wh) with #Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H has 14 to 15 hours of BATTERY. 😱
Intel laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook M2/M3 even though Intel is using Tiles/Chiplet.
Impressive🤯
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It is just the beginning
The comparison is cool but putting more emphasis on the efficiency is also important to consider the cost. Knowing Legion 9i is almost three times cheaper than MacBook Pro M3 Max is killing all the comparison. It has much higher value for money and that's my main concern on the efficiency - how efficient I can use my money.
The 9i is absolutely not 3x cheaper than the MacBook... It's about $500 USD cheaper like I showed in the video.
You can all have your “theoretical” opinions over how fast windows is until you actually use them side by side. Video editing is awesome for Mac. Indeed, the windows can have that speed but with noisy fans. For mac to deliver the performance more quietly is just impressive
I'd like to see the performance comparison between a $1,500 Windows laptop and a $1,500 MacBook. Being realistic, most people aren't gonna spend $4,000 on a laptop.
The M3 is really impressive, especially considering it’s efficiency. Having said that, I can’t wait for Nvidia’s upcoming ARM APU for PC which I hope will offer the same efficiencies. ARM is the future, and though Windows ARM is a mess with lack of 3rd party support, I hope the future high performance APUs will spur more 3rd party support.
m3max beats 13900KS in matrix mul, SVD, eigendecomp, PRNG, complex 3d render and much more. Basically everything linalg and it wins against every desktop cpu except threadrippers and xeons. Cinebench is the single worst benchmark out there and its sponsored fake shit
The problem is Microsoft is unwilling to force developers in the right direction. They still support 32 bit apps for christ sake. Apple a long time ago told developers support 64bit or your app won't work and sure enough everyone upgraded to 64 bit and it has since deprecated 32 bit.
Now with this transition to ARM on my work laptop only two apps still use Rosetta (Intel optimized apps), both are security software for our IT department. On my personal laptop only Origin (which EA games is moving to Apple Silicone next year), everything else has been recompiled for Apple Silicone. Microsoft doesn't have that sort of control or push on their developers and it is exactly why Windows is the mess that it is.
Nvidia Tegra should be a come back soon to a laptop
Apple is doing great! Soldered ram is also reasonable for its thickness!But what i hate is the price jump for the storage,like wtf..nvdia also does the same by reducing vram and wattage limit. Obviously they can do product variations but not like this.
#IntelCoreUltra Series 1 EVO laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook Pro 2023 and still FASTER video editing than M2 Pro/M3 pro chip without help of dGPU.
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If you want dGPU so buy ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 2024 with ULTRA 9 185H. It has MacBook Pro levels of speakers.
Hp pavilion Plus 14 (68 Wh) with #AMD 7840U has 10 to 11 hours of BATTERY.
Hp spectre x360 14 (68 Wh) with #Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H has 14 to 15 hours of BATTERY. 😱
Intel laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook M2/M3 even though Intel is using Tiles/Chiplet.
Impressive🤯
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It is just the beginning
If Mac is so much better, why do I get beachballs all the time, and why does Windows always feel snappier and faster when navigating, saving files or moving files and folders, and the UI in general feels blazing fast.
I got a new MBP M2Pro for almost 20% off. If you can get one on sale or find a very well priced open box one, it’s actually pretty good value for performance.
Apple has exponential gains! Even when it comes to CPU Apple was pretty much up there with the best Intel could offer but now Apple's laptop CPUs are comparable to Intel's desktop giants like the i9 13900k. In GPU they have a lot of catching up to do and catching up they are! After all we have to remember that Nvidia has decades and decades of experience in making GPUs while Apple only started in I believe 2017 with their first GPU in iPhone 8/8+/X's A11 chip. In 2020 they brought it into the laptop world. So they are really moving fast. Nvidia is not standing by tho. They will hit with the RTX 5000 series so Apple would have to keep their growth strong
…very detailed review. M3 does not yet beat the desktop RTX 4090 in overall workflow, but we are yet to see the M3 Ultra!
…which will then get beaten by the 5000 Series
@@YeahTheMitchs I don't think the M3 Ultra would match the RTX 4090 even if both are put in situation where the optimization is the same. It is just that good! Apple needs more time.
@@YeahTheMitchsdoes the M3 even beat the 7900XTX or 4080? Intels next Gen of GPU is rumored to have crazy performance gains too. Competition is heating up in the GPU space and that’s a good thing for consumers. Hopefully it forces NVIDIA to innovate because outside of the 4090 and maybe 4080, the rest of their 4000 series has pretty minor gen over gen improvements compared to 3000 series.
Apple has no interest in competing with Nvidia. Nvidia only makes one component of a PC, there’s no comparison. Besides, you’re comparing a 450W GPU the size of a VCR, to one 1” x 1” on-board chip that’s a CPU and GPU? To even compare an upcoming 5,000 Series GPU to Apple Silicon is beyond a victory for Apple. 🤷🏻♂️
@@AlmightyEye Apple needs to compete with Nvidia! I'm not talking about gaming specifically but GPU tasks in general. gaming is hard but everywhere else Apple has a very good chance. So far they are behind
I think the problem for buying a Mac M3 is Apple anti gaming stance, they simply don’t support enough AAA games. If you want a gaming laptop the choice really is simple a PC. It is a shame. Apple could so much more impress people their laptops are the best by out performing other Windows gaming laptops.
The Apple laptops beat PC’s on heat and off battery performance. But with my portable gaming laptop a Asus G14, I want portability not off power performance and I am not really concerned if gets hot. I want the ability to take my gaming laptop on holiday, to friends place or with me and plug it in. So it isn’t a requirement to be on battery. PC chip manufacturers are improving both these features to compete with Apple.
I have both Mac and PCs. I prefer my iPhone/iPad for mobile and the privacy of Apple. But for gaming I use a windows Laptop. I actually prefer Windows 11 OS over Mac OS, I loath finder over windows explorer mainly because what I used at work. But Mac OS seems to be clunky intentionally for aesthetic reasons over function. While windows is more functional OS just less aesthetic , just my opinion.
If Apple wanted to be my every thing laptop, they have to fix the inability to support ‘all’ AAA gaming. Gaming to be a bigger focus. Fix the Mac OS to be a little more easy to use it needs a big overhaul.
But it is exciting times in gaming with the upscaling technology it is quite possible you won’t ever need to buy new hardware because your current hardware will be good enough. With A.I games will become more complex and compelling than currently.
Nice review it is difficult to try and compare an Apple to an Orange.
#IntelCoreUltra Series 1 EVO laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook Pro 2023 and still FASTER video editing than M2 Pro/M3 pro chip without help of dGPU.
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If you want dGPU so buy ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 2024 with ULTRA 9 185H. It has MacBook Pro levels of speakers.
Hp pavilion Plus 14 (68 Wh) with #AMD 7840U has 10 to 11 hours of BATTERY.
Hp spectre x360 14 (68 Wh) with #Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H has 14 to 15 hours of BATTERY. 😱
Intel laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook M2/M3 even though Intel is using Tiles/Chiplet.
Impressive🤯
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It is just the beginning
Rog Zephyrus G16 2024 is the best
I don’t think Apple is anti gaming, they’re just anti third party development (because they’re greedy) and they realize that most of their consumers don’t care for gaming anyways, meaning that they don’t have to spend money on third party titles
can i ask you a question
1) can you navigate in your home well or other when the cpu ,os, components, belongs to once its easy to optmize i guess you understand my point as my view we cant compare them on battery biases or other as the model case would be different
2) fan noise when you have open vents sound propagates more does mac have vents
3)hope you understand both the above points
The reason for Mac being less heated and less noisy is probably it was made for lower level of software which does not consume that much memory where windows can be used for monstrous purposes which causes heat and sound
macOS is obviously far behind Windows for gaming but I think Apple are going to play the long game here, I think Apple know that in a few years once their user base is using mostly Apple Silicon which Apple have specifically stated is optimised for gaming instead of Intel chips the games market will open up significantly for Mac, if their gaming performance is completely comparable now, imagine in a few years, Apple already completely owns mobile gaming, I wouldn't be surprised if they were aiming their sights at proper gaming too
apple owns mobile gaming ? huh , they heat like a toaster and their gpu is weaker than 8 gen 2.
owns mobile gaming ???
when and how exactly ?
GPUs on Qualcomm chips are already far superior to that on Apple Chips, atheist 2 years ahead.
Just cause they paid a few developers to "PORT" their games which can be played at 720p low/medium settings for iOS doesn't mean they "OWN" mobile gaming, lol.
The reason is x86 vs arm, they don't dominate any market at this point simply cuz they cant compete on value.
gaming? it clearly fails against win laptop pc on real world on 3d, render, video processing etc, not some hyped bench score.
so, nothing really new.
They are not comparable. M3 GPU is equivalent to an RTX 3060 tops, on a machine that is valued at 4 thousand dollars.
Also consider the fact that the M3 MAX uses a quarter of the energy consumed by the mobile RTX 4090+CPU combo and you really understand what Apple can do with its processors even in the gaming sector, if only the developers brought all the games to macOS, now the investment is justified
The 4090's efficiency could be much better if you ran it at a lower frequency. I wouldn't be surprised if it could match the M3 Max's efficiency if scaled down to the same performance. Nvidia just pushes their silicon to higher frequencies, making it a lot more inefficient (as power draw exponentially increases with frequency), while Apple takes more transistors but runs them at a much lower clock speed.
#IntelCoreUltra Series 1 EVO laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook Pro 2023 and still FASTER video editing than M2 Pro/M3 pro chip without help of dGPU.
💪
If you want dGPU so buy ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 2024 with ULTRA 9 185H. It has MacBook Pro levels of speakers.
Hp pavilion Plus 14 (68 Wh) with #AMD 7840U has 10 to 11 hours of BATTERY.
Hp spectre x360 14 (68 Wh) with #Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H has 14 to 15 hours of BATTERY. 😱
Intel laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook M2/M3 even though Intel is using Tiles/Chiplet.
Impressive🤯
💪
It is just the beginning
The priblem with putting games on macOS is it sucks ass, you need to go on more hoops to achieve the same end goal
@@HDRPC Until you realize that M3 laptops get 22 hours and perform better Core Ultra (although for a higher price).
@@nocommentarygaming2644 intel has 14th Gen HX laptops for m3 max but 14th gen is same as 13th gen and it is not using new core ULTRA architecture.
Was that commercial a thirst trap? 😳
The M3 max is newer by about a year, the fair comparison would be either: i9 14th gen vs M3 max, or i9 13th gen vs M2 max.
Windows already runs on ARM and it probably wont be long before AMD/Nvidia get chips out that will run Windows (along with Qualcomm) for the masses so it's not really rip Windows, more like a shift to ARM for low power devices for Windows finally. Got to give credit to Apple for doing it well, regardless of how much I wouldn't buy Apple hardware personally.
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I honestly don't think the m-series chips have any compitition right now especially the pro and max. Some ryzen chips from AMD get close to the base m-series chips in terms of battery life while their performance is close pro series. However, the m3 pro and m3 max are mega APUs. Meaning they have a large CPU and GPU on the same die. Currently amd's best APU tops out at 8 cores cpu and 12 core gpu. Far from the 16 and 40 cores of m3 max. If leaks are true, then we will see them launch a mega APU at the end of the year with 16 core cpu and 40 core gpu. That I believe is when we will see a true M3 max competitor with battery life and performance. Also, that APU will have a node disadvantage (likely to keep the price in check) as they will be using TSMC 5nm like the m1 and m2, the m3 uses the latest 3nm. I know the difference doesn't sound like a lot but, trust me going from 7nm to 5nm was a massive gpu in transistors. So, this is gonna be a big disadvantage for AMD.
In the future, I think it would be a little more clear for the "time" graphs to be diplayed in minutes, sec instead of minute.decimal.
I think it's a myth that macOS is somehow lest customizable then Windows. On macOS you can literally customize everything, even down to how much pressure you need for a click or how loud a mechanical click should be. The only thing you can't touch is the holy apple bar on top, other then that everything is fully customizable (also thanks to the fact that it is a UNIX operating system at its core)
MacBook and a Desktop Pc is the best combo. The fact that you need to be plugged in to get the most out of your “portable” laptop drives me crazy.
that's what I got, high end windows desktop in my house for some heavy deeplearning and gaming stuff, and MacBook Pro on the go for video editing and content consuming. when I got home, I just plug in my Macbook alone side my pc.
For me its not. In my desktop pc, everything is so snappy and fast whereas in my m1 pro macbook i feel it has unnecessary slow animations even with 120hz panel. I also get more things done on desktop pc. I wanna switch back to light non gaming windows laptop now.
@@AlphaWitcherThe display itself is very slow in pixel response times. It only responds to what is equivalent to about 30Hz despite the refreshrate being 120Hz. It's really bad in motion performance & smears so badly an okay VA panel will appear "fast".
@@markjacobs1086 maybe that's why despite MacBook pro being 120hz I don't find it remotely even smooth as my 2k 165hz desktop monitor. But i can feel the smoothness on my 120hz phone screen.
Windows laptops with Core ULTRA without dGPU and Windows desktop is best combo.