As a 71 year old Canadian with 55+ years of riding I wanted an NT for a “pipe ‘n slippers” touring bike. However, Honda decided North America isn’t worthy of the product so . . . I added an Africa Twin to my garage, mostly because I wanted more experience with the AT’s engine and DCT prior to buying an NT . . . should it ever arrive here. Now, I think I’ll just keep the Africa Twin - Honda got me again, the bastards!
I was excited to see and hear about when it first came out the NT 1100 but then when I saw it I thought no it’s kind of ugly looking. I’ll just keep my 2013 BMW 1200 RT because that looks really great compared to this bike, sorry Honda.😮
@@billboring3925 I’ve owned and put many miles on an RT - they’re good bikes. However, I wasn’t so happy with the cost of maintenance and especially repairs. Im 72 now and still riding Africa Twin, to be honest I’m contemplating buying the 2025 Adventure Sports (19” front wheel) model when it’s released. Hey, as long as there’s a bike under my ass I’ll try to be content? Safe riding!
An interesting comparison but a few points to add- I commute daily on a 2018 ATAS in much heavier trafic than Stratford! I live in Lyon where we have proper traffic jams between 6-9 am and 4-7pm every day. One thing you never use on a daily basis is side cases! They stay in my garage in favour of a top case. The AT is no problem in heavy traffic. Good road presence and excellent visibility. I fit a small screen in the Summer as it gets really hot here and airflow is extremely welcome. I also have an ST1100 and can tell you that the AT is way easier to move in the garage than the tourer. It’s much easier to balance. I’ve toured with the AT. I’ve done off-road trails in the Alps. It’s just an amazing all rounder . I’ve tested GS’s to see what the fuss is about and still can’t work out why people rush to buy them. Very competent in all areas but doesn’t light up in the twisties or off-road like an AT. Buy a GS if you’re happy plodding around at the weekend. Buy an Africa Twin if you still want that bit of fizz and crackle!
Great reviews guys. I am currently in my first year of riding and cutting my teeth on a Transalp 700. Looking forwards towards my next bike and the Africa Twin is where I’m leaning towards. 6ft4 and ‘Santa on Mince Pies’ build. Keep up the good work.
I can see the value of my vfr1200x going up, never going to make a shaft driven big bore V4 again. Any issues review’s had of of it I’ve fixed, Suspension, seat and cruise control. They used to complain about weight but seems to get a pass on the electric adv bikes.
Did you Jack the rear preload up to max while with a pillion? It would of made a big difference to the handling if you had. Is there not adjustable damping on the rear of the AT? If so some extra rebound would of made the pillion much more comfortable with a lot less bounce. Not something you can adjust out of the NT.
I don’t see the comparison frankly. The Pan was shaft driven, very fast via its V4 engine and had an electric screen. I loved mine, and while the DCT gearbox on my Goldwing is brilliant, the NT and older Pan just don’t look comparable.
As an observation, long distance tourers need some key things if I would consider buying one, one of which is shaft drive. I don't get the NT1100, probably a lovely bike, but it looks like the VFR1200X but with 2 cylinders. I have owned a VFR1200x for 8 years and with the exception of the standard seat love every aspect of it, and no chain maintenance.
At some point I expect Honda will bring back the VFR1200 platform taken out to 1300cc and wrapped in ST1300 like clothing as the new Pan European to sit between the NT1100 and the Goldwing to compete with BMWs at around the £18-20k mark.
Which one handles the twisties better and feels more agile and flickable? I’ve got a ‘21 NC750X and it’s very agile and flickable and thinks it’s a sport bike in the twisties 😮
But... If only the nt1100 had a driveshaft... It would be purrrrfect... With a chain they're not going to get any of the old st1100\wing/pc800\vfr1200 owners...
I have the Africa Twin 1000 2017 DCT. Love it too bits but the NT does look good as a tourer. Being a bit of a short ass, I find the AT a bit wilding when in tight situations. My main worry is the cost of servicing the valves , plugs etc. I wonder if the NT is a cheaper option concerning servicing?
Great review. NT seems like a better option for more road riding. The Honda plastic luggage for the AT seems to sit further back, which may allow for more leg space.
Very nice and interesting point of views, obviously in UK the price difference is so small so there is reason to think which one you want, in Finland AT goes so much more expensive that there is no deal for it if you are really not actively riding off road, in comparison with AT touring model the price difference is even bigger. Guys you are very lucky men if you can make cross continental couple times per year = ))) all the best for you and your channel
Its not just the NT1100, "D" mode on ALL Honda DCT models try to shift to a higher gear as quickly as possible, its terrible. I tried it once on my VFR1200X and now I only ride in Sport "S3" mode, it holds each gear MUCH longer.
Don't you think that perhaps the Honda engineers might know what they're doing? Maybe we're all used to keeping our engines a bit higher up the revs because we were always taught never to lug, but if honda program the gearbox to do that it's more than likely perfectly fine, and saving you fuel.
Great video nice to see both the bike together and tested to see what's best . Would like to know where j can get a Honda NT1100 for £11500 as hinda price is £12500 ?
@@brianrundle9219 Some owners on the NT1100 forum have started to notice rust on their frames. No idea how big an issue it is though, or if it’s just a few bikes 🤷🏻♂️
Shame Honda couldn’t or wouldn’t find the budget to make the NT shaft drive. They’ve done it before on the Deauville,and others, so why not. The screen adjustment has been addressed, so I’m seriously considering one. Thanks for the content.
In the States the NT1100 is being peddled as an adventure bike. The Africa Twin IS an Adventure bike because it has the ground Clearance and the Suspension to handle serious off -road riding. The NT only has about 5 inches of ground clearance!.
Re do the test with some off road included. Get a tire company to sponsor you. Put them in the same brand tires. A good 60/40 duel sport maybe some Perelli rubber. My personal favs for duel sport.
I have a Rebel 1100 that shares the same motor as these two, and it's marvelous. But for a good all-rounder that could travel some more distance, I might rather consider Yamaha's Tracer 7 or 9.
I preffer NT1100 because 17" inch wheel, better tyres for road, lower center of gravity, better wheather protection. Missing IMU is big cons. I preffer good quality of roads.
So its 8 - 2 for the NT. I had the AT and traded it in for the NT and I do regret it because I wish I had both as they are very different bikes for different purposes .
Yes and no. A lot of people only ride on the road with their adventure bike. So it does make some sense. I did the same, mainly because the adv bikes are a bit better for long legs.
Good, bad commuter, well on those road you were riding any bigger bike will probably do very well. But what about a good commuter for London traffic if it is your last 10-15 miles ride to go a cross it or just around that much? And do not even mention scooters 🤣 I think that even mid-weight bikes with good fuel economy doing very well on the open roads, fail terribly in heavy traffic and only those who do that daily know what I'm talking about :) Plenty of skills and mountain of patience :) But still, on some days I even enjoy slaloming between cars.
Hi Tomas, James mentioned the Honda CB500X during the video. It's a bike he spent a couple of years commuting on across central London and he highly recommends it for the task.
In the end,i think that this two guys are well paid by honda. I hate that - don t get me wrong,it does everighing as it should-reviews. No it does as a tractor…
I was kind of excited when I first heard about this bike now I saw a video of it. I thought God that thing is ugly looking sorry but I think I’ll just keep my 2013 BMW 1200 RT much better looking bike.
I've been waiting over a year for the NT1100 to come to America. No bike manufacturers should put out bikes unless they are ready to ship WORLD WIDE!!!!
RIIIIGHT!!! A company should spend *millions of dollars* preparing a bike to enter a market. Emissions. Safety. Certifications. Patents. Focus groups. Marketing materials. Ads. Training for the dealers. Training for the technicians. Setting up a parts supply and so on. Just to see it languish on the sales floors and Americans continue to buy cruisers hand over fist. Did you ... think before you typed that?
Thanks for the comparison. VERY few people mention road manners with pillions in reviews so I am grateful you included that.
As a 71 year old Canadian with 55+ years of riding I wanted an NT for a “pipe ‘n slippers” touring bike. However, Honda decided North America isn’t worthy of the product so . . . I added an Africa Twin to my garage, mostly because I wanted more experience with the AT’s engine and DCT prior to buying an NT . . . should it ever arrive here. Now, I think I’ll just keep the Africa Twin - Honda got me again, the bastards!
just buy a harley then
@cerberus2881🤣🤣🤣
I was excited to see and hear about when it first came out the NT 1100 but then when I saw it I thought no it’s kind of ugly looking. I’ll just keep my 2013 BMW 1200 RT because that looks really great compared to this bike, sorry Honda.😮
@@billboring3925 I’ve owned and put many miles on an RT - they’re good bikes. However, I wasn’t so happy with the cost of maintenance and especially repairs. Im 72 now and still riding Africa Twin, to be honest I’m contemplating buying the 2025 Adventure Sports (19” front wheel) model when it’s released. Hey, as long as there’s a bike under my ass I’ll try to be content? Safe riding!
An interesting comparison but a few points to add- I commute daily on a 2018 ATAS in much heavier trafic than Stratford! I live in Lyon where we have proper traffic jams between 6-9 am and 4-7pm every day. One thing you never use on a daily basis is side cases! They stay in my garage in favour of a top case. The AT is no problem in heavy traffic. Good road presence and excellent visibility. I fit a small screen in the Summer as it gets really hot here and airflow is extremely welcome. I also have an ST1100 and can tell you that the AT is way easier to move in the garage than the tourer. It’s much easier to balance. I’ve toured with the AT. I’ve done off-road trails in the Alps. It’s just an amazing all rounder . I’ve tested GS’s to see what the fuss is about and still can’t work out why people rush to buy them. Very competent in all areas but doesn’t light up in the twisties or off-road like an AT. Buy a GS if you’re happy plodding around at the weekend. Buy an Africa Twin if you still want that bit of fizz and crackle!
Great review lads. I’m fed up changing gears on my Rt and the TFT Nav is rubbish plus a weighty bike. I’m seriously considering a NT
Great reviews guys. I am currently in my first year of riding and cutting my teeth on a Transalp 700. Looking forwards towards my next bike and the Africa Twin is where I’m leaning towards. 6ft4 and ‘Santa on Mince Pies’ build. Keep up the good work.
I can see the value of my vfr1200x going up, never going to make a shaft driven big bore V4 again. Any issues review’s had of of it I’ve fixed, Suspension, seat and cruise control.
They used to complain about weight but seems to get a pass on the electric adv bikes.
Did you Jack the rear preload up to max while with a pillion? It would of made a big difference to the handling if you had. Is there not adjustable damping on the rear of the AT? If so some extra rebound would of made the pillion much more comfortable with a lot less bounce. Not something you can adjust out of the NT.
The NT1100 is finally a worthy successor to the ST1100 (Pan European).
I don’t see the comparison frankly. The Pan was shaft driven, very fast via its V4 engine and had an electric screen. I loved mine, and while the DCT gearbox on my Goldwing is brilliant, the NT and older Pan just don’t look comparable.
The ST1100 had an electric screen? Mine certainly didn’t.
@@brad4908 nor mine.
not even close shaft drive the v4 engine this is ok nothing special
As an observation, long distance tourers need some key things if I would consider buying one, one of which is shaft drive. I don't get the NT1100, probably a lovely bike, but it looks like the VFR1200X but with 2 cylinders. I have owned a VFR1200x for 8 years and with the exception of the standard seat love every aspect of it, and no chain maintenance.
At some point I expect Honda will bring back the VFR1200 platform taken out to 1300cc and wrapped in ST1300 like clothing as the new Pan European to sit between the NT1100 and the Goldwing to compete with BMWs at around the £18-20k mark.
I like diversity of UA-cam. V-Told channel have cool tests of Africa Twin.
Great review, and really like the format!
Thanks PFAM glad you enjoyed the video
Which one handles the twisties better and feels more agile and flickable?
I’ve got a ‘21 NC750X and it’s very agile and flickable and thinks it’s a sport bike in the twisties 😮
Amazing video. Thanks guys.
Just wished you cranked the preload of NT and set the suspension to firm on TFT of AT when testing with pillion.
But... If only the nt1100 had a driveshaft... It would be purrrrfect... With a chain they're not going to get any of the old st1100\wing/pc800\vfr1200 owners...
I have the Africa Twin 1000 2017 DCT. Love it too bits but the NT does look good as a tourer. Being a bit of a short ass, I find the AT a bit wilding when in tight situations.
My main worry is the cost of servicing the valves , plugs etc. I wonder if the NT is a cheaper option concerning servicing?
Thanks guys. Great job. Good info. God bless. Happy trails.
Thank you Ward Roland glad you enjoyed the video
Great review. NT seems like a better option for more road riding. The Honda plastic luggage for the AT seems to sit further back, which may allow for more leg space.
the nt with the dct needs to have the rear brake like the x adv ,slow speed stuff is just so much easier with the rear brake on the left handlebar
I have a well modified 2016 Africa Twin, I think it might be getting a new little brother in the NT 1100 as a commuter and 2 up tourer. great review
Thanks Adam, the NT would suit those purposes brilliantly
The NT would be the big brother of your AT.
Very nice and interesting point of views, obviously in UK the price difference is so small so there is reason to think which one you want, in Finland AT goes so much more expensive that there is no deal for it if you are really not actively riding off road, in comparison with AT touring model the price difference is even bigger. Guys you are very lucky men if you can make cross continental couple times per year = ))) all the best for you and your channel
Thank you Pavel glad you enjoyed the video
When I spotted on one clip the NT1100 in 4th at 27 mph and on another clip in 6th at 35 mph; the NT1100 DCT does not appeal to me.
Must be the chosen setting/mode there are presets
It's known about, if you click on the sports modes the reves go up to more normal levels
Its not just the NT1100, "D" mode on ALL Honda DCT models try to shift to a higher gear as quickly as possible, its terrible. I tried it once on my VFR1200X and now I only ride in Sport "S3" mode, it holds each gear MUCH longer.
Don't you think that perhaps the Honda engineers might know what they're doing? Maybe we're all used to keeping our engines a bit higher up the revs because we were always taught never to lug, but if honda program the gearbox to do that it's more than likely perfectly fine, and saving you fuel.
If you put it in sports mode it shifts like we would shift it if was manuel.
Great video nice to see both the bike together and tested to see what's best .
Would like to know where j can get a Honda NT1100 for £11500 as hinda price is £12500 ?
Have you noticed any rust on the frame of the NT1100? Just wondering as I know some Africa Twin owners had problems with rust on the frame. Thanks
No rust and we've had the bike almost 12 months now
Funny you should say that I’ve just rejected a AT because of corrosion? I was hoping the NT is better.
@@brianrundle9219 Some owners on the NT1100 forum have started to notice rust on their frames. No idea how big an issue it is though, or if it’s just a few bikes 🤷🏻♂️
@@barrygormley1618 Job to know what to buy sold a very low mileage 1250GS back to BMW
because corrosion problems. Getting bit despondent actually!
@@brianrundle9219 Don’t say that, I’ve just bought a new GSA a few months ago 😂. I think it’s just modern paint isn’t as durable as it used to be.
Hi guys, what kind of USB cable do you use for connecting the phone to the Africa Twin? Mine is not always recognized.
Nothing special, just a USB cable we bought from the service station. The standard iPhone cable also works well
Its great comparison.. thank you✋🏼✋🏼
Very nice video. I would also take NT DCT without a doubt.
Very informative guys, thank you.
Please, could you tell me which jacket wear guy on NT 1100?
Shame Honda couldn’t or wouldn’t find the budget to make the NT shaft drive. They’ve done it before on the Deauville,and others, so why not. The screen adjustment has been addressed, so I’m seriously considering one. Thanks for the content.
Compare the 2024 adventure sports with the nt1100 and see if verdict is different.
with the updated nt1100 for 2025, yep would be interesting
hello guys... which one has the best and more relaxed riding position for a 194 cm(6'3) rider?? thanks a lot!
In the States the NT1100 is being peddled as an adventure bike. The Africa Twin IS an Adventure bike because it has the ground Clearance and the Suspension to handle serious off -road riding. The NT only has about 5 inches of ground clearance!.
Re do the test with some off road included. Get a tire company to sponsor you. Put them in the same brand tires. A good 60/40 duel sport maybe some Perelli rubber. My personal favs for duel sport.
I have a Rebel 1100 that shares the same motor as these two, and it's marvelous. But for a good all-rounder that could travel some more distance, I might rather consider Yamaha's Tracer 7 or 9.
I preffer NT1100 because 17" inch wheel, better tyres for road, lower center of gravity, better wheather protection. Missing IMU is big cons. I preffer good quality of roads.
So its 8 - 2 for the NT. I had the AT and traded it in for the NT and I do regret it because I wish I had both as they are very different bikes for different purposes .
I guess in the USA we get the Africa twin but not the NT 1100
8:34 who tf designed that jacket?
It's a REV'IT! Trench GTX jacket, a brilliant three-season casual riding jacket
Kind of a silly comparison. Can’t take the NT off-road! Very few people ride 2 up on gravel. Africa twin for the win.
Yes and no. A lot of people only ride on the road with their adventure bike. So it does make some sense. I did the same, mainly because the adv bikes are a bit better for long legs.
Perhaps a narrower but is needed 😂😂😂 great vid!
Nt1100 rider not leaving space next to them in the lane bugged me, otherwise nice review
Good, bad commuter, well on those road you were riding any bigger bike will probably do very well. But what about a good commuter for London traffic if it is your last 10-15 miles ride to go a cross it or just around that much? And do not even mention scooters 🤣 I think that even mid-weight bikes with good fuel economy doing very well on the open roads, fail terribly in heavy traffic and only those who do that daily know what I'm talking about :) Plenty of skills and mountain of patience :) But still, on some days I even enjoy slaloming between cars.
Hi Tomas, James mentioned the Honda CB500X during the video. It's a bike he spent a couple of years commuting on across central London and he highly recommends it for the task.
To me the NT1100 is mister sensible. Occasionally we need to find the inner rebel and that’s where the AT can help.
DEAR HONDA, please sell the NT1100 in the USA!🙏
Might be 2024 along with Transalp XL750
In the end,i think that this two guys are well paid by honda. I hate that - don t get me wrong,it does everighing as it should-reviews. No it does as a tractor…
Very very sad you can't buy the NT 1100 DCT in North America. Very sad. Common Honda. I can't believe there is not a market here in the USA.
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I was kind of excited when I first heard about this bike now I saw a video of it. I thought God that thing is ugly looking sorry but I think I’ll just keep my 2013 BMW 1200 RT much better looking bike.
and i thought Senna was a F1 driver
But this one is SENA…
Africa is cool bike... Nt is ufff - Too much issue
Cardo is so much better
You guys were useless on this video. 😂.
Talking bout super biased opinions.
Don't care never buying a parallel twin !! I'll stick with my XL1000 V.
Don't look than !
I've been waiting over a year for the NT1100 to come to America. No bike manufacturers should put out bikes unless they are ready to ship WORLD WIDE!!!!
RIIIIGHT!!! A company should spend *millions of dollars* preparing a bike to enter a market. Emissions. Safety. Certifications. Patents. Focus groups. Marketing materials. Ads. Training for the dealers. Training for the technicians. Setting up a parts supply and so on.
Just to see it languish on the sales floors and Americans continue to buy cruisers hand over fist.
Did you ... think before you typed that?
There’s no comparison between a touring bike and a totally dedicated adventure bike no matter how much they share the same parts!