Pick my DCT African twin up a week ago 75 years old haven’t ridden for years. Bike is amazing unbelievable never a test drive I just bought it without riding it. The DCT learned how I wanted to shift I’ve been driving slow speed on back roads it doesn’t go directly into six gear . Until I want to go fast. This bike is much better than I could’ve imagined.from Quebec Canada
Just read your comment today, March 24, 2023 - PEI, Canada. I’ve ridden for 50+ years (70 now) and have a few bikes. Just bought an Africa Twin DCT but haven’t ridden it yet. Just wondering how you got along with yours?
Fantastic to here brother. Just about to pull the trigger on a 2018 DCT in Cambodia, via Victoria BC. 60 years and holding baby. Be safe and thank you for the vote of encouragement on an AT.
I have a 2017 and love it. Bought it down in Mexico because we live down there at least half the year. Put it in the back of the truck back in 2019 and drove to Oregon where I left it. Went back down to Mexico and bought a 2020 Adventure sport with dual clutch this time. They have made many changes along the way and as happy as I was with the 2017 I am twice as happy now. Love the dual clutch, The new frame that sits much lower, electrical outlet plus usb outlets, heated grips, so many options on the electronics for your ride. And more great bike and at age 75 I have riden a lot of bikes over the years but this 2020 is so far above the rest. WoW
@@protectork9831 that has been exaggerated. South side of Chicago is just as bad. Need to be careful in dubious places. Mexico is not easy but you also can’t be acting like a tourist every where. There are millions of Americans Canadians snd Europeans happily retired in many places around Mexico outside of the resort areas. Check out Guanajuato, Guadalajara, Aguascalientes, Monterrey etc.
Got my first ever motorcycle 8 months ago at the age of 55.... yes, 2018 AT DCT and absolutely loved learning to ride on it and have now done 1000's of miles on it.... obsessed is an understatement!!!! Your video sums it up perfectly.
My 2017 AT is my first bike. I bought it before I even had a learner's license. I now have 5573 kms (3463 miles) on it and I love it so much. It was a pain in the arse to get licenced during Covid but worth every second I had to wait.
@m4-f82 not really. I practiced lots in a parking lot doing slow speed riding to get better. That being said I did all my riding and tests for my license on this bike. I'm 6ft tall and 210lbs so I think my size helped and I also ride downhill and trail mountain bikes which also helped with understanding counter balance and count steering. I have no regrets in making this my first motorcycle ever and still my only bike. It is big but I don't dirtbike. All the forest service roads I ride are made smooth by this bike. I tove it.
I visited a Honda dealer last week that had 3 Africa Twins. One of them is now mine. I had them order a few accessories for it, including crash guards, the factory low seat, and center stand. Those things arrived this week and are being installed now. I hope to have the bike by the weekend. I’m very excited. Thanks for all your videos on the bike. They inspired me to get the AT.
You inspired me to buy my very first bike! I wanted a dirt bike initially but don’t own a truck or trailer, so I started researching dual sports and adv bikes and decided on the ktm 390 adventure. this thing is a blast and I love I can ride it to and from the trails. Great channel, maybe an AT will be a major upgrade for me later down the road 🌲
Own 2016/17 Africa Twin in Japan. No stand problems. Do have center stand installed. I do little off-road stuff and use the bike as an excellent touring machine. Yes, comfortable. Excellent machine and mine with DCT.
l am 62 and passed the mid life crisis, but l am considering the AT for health reasons. I ride a HD Road King but it is not much fun and way heavy. Thanks for the information.
@@jblue1299 … loving it! Went on several camping trips and the only complaint I have is the seat is a bit too hard so I’m currently using an air hawk and sheepskin. Other than that, I think it’s an amazing bike
Just bought a demo 2020 CRF1100L, loving it, so much power on tap and as you say once rolling it feels nice and nimble. New one is lighter than old model, I don't find it too bad to wheel around the garage.
If you turn it off at the Red Cutoff switch instead of the key .. it keeps the settings like ABS and Wheelie Control Off ! (There are a few other bikes that this applies for also) Fine for a short stop to take a photo or a toilet stop. BUt from memory it leaves the DRLs on so not good for long time stop.
Glad to hear at 75 still riding and appreciate the 2017 eval. Looking at one now. Currently riding the trusty DRZ400s and an XR600R through the AZ desert at 62. Altho the XR can get me unto trouble, lol. Stay safe!!
I've done 127,000 klms on my 16 manual. We've ridden from Australia, through Asia to Europe and North Africa two up over 3 1/2 years. I can't agree about the seat. For me it was a shocker. Some of the best money i spent on the bike was replacing the seat. (replacing the suspension, although expensive was also money well spent) Other issues are the front spokes along with corroding they will work loose. Keep an eye on them. The front disc carrier's where they make contact with the bobbins will most likely flog out prematurely. Usually the right, but can also be the left. Honda have replaced many under warranty. If you ride heavily loaded or in wet and dusty conditions, then the rear right wheel bearing can fail in as little as 20,000 klms. If you are mostly on pavement then you'll get at least twice this. I've adapted a double row ball bearing, problem fixed. Hmm, what else. Oh, my battery lasted problem free until 120,000 klms, so not bothered about the location. In any case I don't really find it an issue. When first released these bikes were relatively cheap compared to their competition. To achieve this Honda cut corners on some aspects of the bike. The obvious areas being the suspension and spokes to name but two. Oh and the side stand, your right about that. It's made of cheese. Although having said that, mine hasn't snapped yet. But I don't mount the bike by standing on the peg first. That will definately break the side stand, especially if you are on the rotund side.The original pegs belong on a PeeWee 50. So change those to your preferred brand. Pivot pegs for me. So far the cross bar above the instuments have lasted trouble free, all this time with a Garmin LM590 hanging off of it, lucky I guess. If you are mostly on the tarmac i wouldn't be concerned. But yes many have snapped. But the major componatry is solid. I've only adjusted the two inboard exhaust valves for example. If we were riding solo, we'd be on much lighter bikes. I think the CRF300 would be a far better choice for long term RTW travel (solo). I might sound like I don't like the bike. I do, but you need to recognise it's faults and limitations. This bike and it's peers are all far too heavy and have waaaaay too much electronic gimmicks for my liking. Fortunately the 16/17's wern't burdened with too much electronics. All a bit long winded I know, but I think I have a bit to offer on this bike. More info found here if you are at all inclined. advrider.com/f/threads/rtw-on-a-h-a-t-in-the-slow-lane.1172713/
Love my 2017 as well . Smooth power and very capable in the dirt . Have the same mods as well on my AF and added a booster sensor on my air intake to see how good they work. Very happy how it works.
The downside of being a motorcycle enthusiast? There's always another motorcycle you want, and either: • Not enough space for it • Not enough money for it • Both
Oh yeah. I'm almost done paying off my Indian Scout but I want an Africa Twin DCT already so badly lol I know the Honda Nc750x DCT would be the smarter choice but my god I can't get over this beauty
@@captainamerica9353 Not to be rude, but if you're worried about maintenance, insurance license and title costs, you probably have way larger life issues to worry about than buying a motorcycle. I get it, most of us have been in the boat of having a dream item, but not being anywhere near capable of responsibly owning it. Keep your eyes on the prize, my friend. Some day you'll get there.
@@Bingomandingo I wanted a Scout Bobber really badly, but it would be my second 'road dedicated' bike, it would take up a fair amount of real estate, and I'm relegated to 2 motorcycles with present available space. Also I need a larger variety of riding types and capabilities, so forced to choose, the AT is just a much more attractive option. There's always the "sell the current bike to get the next bike" option, but I've heard WAY too many "I wish I hadn't sold it" stories, to go down that road.
I also find the stock seat comfortable. Test rode both the AT and a Gold Wing F6B within 15 minutes of each other. I’d always had back problems and/or sore butt requiring either an aftermarket seat, a backrest or both to ride any length of time comfortably. Was shocked to find the Gold Wing uncomfortable and the AT comfortable. I’m now 75 and still own a ‘17 AT DCT. Admittedly, now use an AirHawk cushion with so little air in it one would think it was deflated....but hours in the saddle are accomplished with little or no discomfort. Love that bike and the DCT but it is getting to be a handful.
Its NOT just you. I’m 68, and bought a new 2019 in May of 2020, sight unseen in Arkansas on my way home to Illinois from Arizona. Got 17.8k miles on it now. It’s a handful to maneuver around slowly. I’ve dropped it a number of times, and was pinned under it 3 times, on a group ride, luckily, I had help. When it’s up to speed it’s sheer delight. I have realized that the bike is too big and heavy for me to scout out sketchy back road trails by myself anymore. I just bought a CRF 250 L for that, and it’s wonderful. When I hop back on the Africa twin, after a few days of the 250, I realize what a gorgeous machine it is. I hope to find some thing in between those two, and just have one bike for everything.
Btw, I’m very much enjoying your channel, and wish I’d seen this video before buying. Might have made a difference. I’d been waiting for the T7 to hit the states, but got tired of the wait and got super deal on the AT. Now that I finished the last few minutes of your video, I made a few edits to hopefully, clarify my post.
My 2016 AT is completely awesome, as you said. My 28th bike... this 69 years old dude loves it. Odd that I've never had an issue with the kickstand. Always mount the bike stepping onto the pegs then flip up stand. Apparently got a good one. Have never mounted anything onto windshield mount, thus no issues. Has impressive wind protection gor such a small shield. I'm 6 feet, 250 pounds. 21,000 miles ZERO failures. Battery cable is stupidly short...worse than any others that I've owned. Ride safe...nice web platform.
I've got a 2016 and everything you said w the exception of having a large fuel tank is spot on. I've got one and have 35,000 mi on it. With moderate riding skills, it's perfect for forestry roads and 2-track. I've had 800 mile days on the saddle without any problem. It corners like a road bike and will easily keep pace with street bikes even w 50/50 tires. My only real complaint? No cruise control. If you ride a lot of miles, you'll appreciate even something as simple as a throttle lock. Oh, and tubeless tires. ADV bikes are not dirt bikes. Tubeless wheels would be plenty strong for 99% of anyone who would take a 500# bike loaded with camp gear offroad.
One thing to remember if you have the DCT model is to make sure it’s in neutral when you switch it off, otherwise you have clutch drag which makes the bike seem even heavier than it is. Thanks for the video 👍
Doesn't the bike do this automatically? I had always assumed so, anyway, from the provision of the parking brake and the fact that you have to put it in gear after you start it back up. Is it somehow keeping the clutch disengaged when it's off, and then shifting to neutral when you start again? Or how's that work?
My #1 fav; the balance is absolutely great. For a big adv bike I was shocked how well balanced it is. Having raced XR 600R & 650 desert style & the AT being my 1st ADV bike I love how nimble it is. It jumps like a dead cow but it's a joy to dance around big rocks & ruts. The tech is a pain & could simplified. My 13 y.o. had to show me how get thru the screens & set up my ride.
I also have a 2016 Africa Twin purchased off the dealer floor in April 2017. Had a $1,000 off sale that month. It is my second brand new motorcycle in my life. The first was an XL-250 I bought in May 1974. My very first motorcycle was a 1965 Honda CA95 Benly Touring ("Baby Dream") 125 cc. Drove it 135 miles each way weekends when I started college (until it got cold). While in the service, I bought a used 1970 Honda CL175. I bought the XL-250 as I on terminal leave. Sorry I sold that XL-250. 1986 BMW R80 RT then swapped if with his nephew for a maintenancemaintenance took some time to adjust to the seat height and weight. Purchased the Honda lower seat, then a Sargent lower seat. I have a bit more mass to spread out on the seat. The more I rode it, the more confident I became with stopping in traffic when the road slopes the "wrong" way. Maneuveringaneuvers in parking lots when I have the time. For the few times I will actively go off onto trails and more technical riding, I did find another 1974 XL-250. It does need some "attention" but not too much. It won't be my daily ride. But I did notice that I could almost "flat-foot" when stopped. AND the seat is much more comfortable than the current CRF250L/CRF300L. I have been very happy with my Africa Twin. Other than adding crash bars (I dropped the bike twice - both times in my driveway after installing the crash bars, not before), wider foot pegs, and a lithium battery, the bike is mostly stock.
Another great video about the AT. I traded in my 2015 BMW 800 GS for this bike ( I own a 2017 manual ) and I’m extremely satisfied. They are very similar off road but the AT motor is much better on the highway than the GS. ( I’m comparing to the 800 not the 850) . The only disagreement I have on your video is the kickstand. I agree it flexes but I have not seen any one report it broke by putting your foot on the peg and mounting the bike. I weigh over 200 lbs and have had the bike loaded for camping with no issues. Does it flex? YES, but I just don’t look at it anymore. When I see multiple people show their kickstand broke I will buy into a new kickstand. Don’t get me wrong, once I saw it flex and read all the forums I was going to replace it. But I’m a cheap ass and didn’t. Still works and still satisfied.. Keep the content coming and please let me know if you got my email. I work really hard on my posts once I heard you were an English major. 😂 My Uncle was an English major and corrects me all the time. 😀
Great review. Had a 2017 and a 2019, both were amazing. I agree about the weight, once you get going it feels like a 450lbs bike at most, power wheelies in 2nd gear which is kind of surprising when you look at the power to weight ratio. At 6'1" I couldn't stand the stock seat (weird angle that doesn't seem to affect shorter riders). Also I wish Honda tried to simplify the maintenance. The valve check at 25000km is too soon and quite a project (8h for a Honda technician if adjustments are needed), Yamaha generally recommend valve checks way over 40000km and I know someone who put 200000km on a super tenere without ever even checking the valves. Even the air filter is not quick to get too, just too many plastics covering everything (it took about 2 minutes to change the air filter on my Honda Nighthawk and that was a road bike, why would you want to make the access harder on an adventure bike?). Aside from that, just one of the best all round bikes out there. I've seen a rider put 500000km on his...
Some of the problems have now been modified with the 2020 AT. Though I think they've gone and made the seat horrible now, well that's my opinion at least, LOL. You can now change to 6 riding modes just with the press of one or two buttons, so if you set up the user 1 / 2 modes you can have them with traction control on /off, and on/ off road and possibly completely off (never tried the last one) and you can also set the power output for all the different riding modes.
I bought my AT (2016) three years ago, and having put almost 20,000 miles on it since, I can attest to the truth of everything you said. I love riding it. But I am seriously thinking of getting a second smaller bike to build my off-road skills. There are so many places around here where I think I might get into trouble with a 500lb+ bike. Not to mention my driveway, which is steep and I must share with two cars.
I just bought a 2022 Adv DCT, and since my second bike is a Goldwing, I maybe selling that in favor of my AT being the best all 'arounder'. It's just that good in my opinion.
I add some things. Factory windshield for 190cm guys ending at most turbulent place anybody can imagine. There is rumor in helmet at this specific height . Gearbox - pretty not precise .. nothing annoying but i get mid-neutral too many times .. Old transalp having more precise gearbox. And it sometimes making shot to airbox (just after quick throttle turn ) . About rotten spikes - cross center spikes (in EU ) have stainless steel but beware of spike screws - do not choose steel + nickel (or zinc) , just alloy + finish . If you choose steel spike screws you will have beauty spike and rusty spike screw , that's annoying .Gold wheels coating is pretty weak also . All that problems disappear after turn on beauty sounding engine and unbelievable capability of riding anywhere.
Growing up on dirt bikes. Been on big Harleys as an adult. My friend took me to test ride an AT this weekend before he bought it. As he hasn't rode in a while. Even the guy selling was saying it was heavy. When I got on it, I was blown away that it felt so light. I took off, and just started riding like my old BMX days. I felt like I could do anything on. Came back in with an Endo. I stress tested the shit out it. I felt in love with it. Now I'm planning on getting one. Now his is a DCT. That took some getting used to. It's fine, but never really felt like I had 100% control. So I'm going to look for a normal Clutch version. I'm 40 years old, my knees are shoot from a very physical life and this bike just felt right. I don't really understand why heavy even comes to mind for people on the AT.
I agree, it’s a great bike. But it’s at least 100 lbs too heavy. I rented one and went for a trip (5.000-5.500 miles). It was perfect on the highway, nice on gravel roads, but way to bulky for any technical riding, especially solo, like I did. Once you’re down, you’re stucked. It’s the same problem, like with the fat GS’es.
100lbs?? With the added fuel on my 2018 ATAS it is a beast but while riding it still feel very nimble. If you want to drop 100lbs you will need to go with the Yamaha Tenere 700 which is a great bike and you only lose two things IMO. #1 - Not as good with a passenger #2 - It is not a Africa Twin :)
Thanks for another great video. I spent months deciding between an AT and an R1200GS and ultimately decided on the GS because at that time the AT didn’t have cruise, even though it was drive by wire. (And my right-hand arthritis needs cruise.) still, eventually there will probably be an AT DCT in my future. Thanks again.
Very good choice... The thing is nobody suspects what a whale the AT is... It looks nice and it is great on the road, but off road... Meah. Even the crf has its limits when you get into technical stuff, being 50 kilos too heavy for real enduro, but you get by. The AT... What an expensive way to crash, and believe you me, if you go off road, you will crash... Several times :)
I have 5 bikes, including an AT and a 250 and a 400, anything over 250lbs is cumbersome off-road, my KLX400R is 260lbs and that is about the limit I would ride hard off road, I am a very experienced rider for 30 years, I was a paid rider and worked in a dealership in my life. If you want to have fun off-road make weight a priority, you will enjoy it much more. When I do casual trail riding I use my Honda Monkey more than anything, its so light and low it makes any casual ride tons of fun
Here's a tip for you regarding your comment of the bike resetting after switching it off: If you turn it off by kicking out the sidestand it doesn't reset.
I love my 2016 AT, put over 55k on it since 2018. I have one gripe you didn't mention, the front forks need work for any kind of serious offroad. Also there is a design flaw with the fork walls and they will bind up over time. The fix is to replace the outer fork bodies with the 2019 ATAS bodies. Other than that and the other two things you mentioned this bike is as capable as anything else out there and its ultra reliable.
@@DorkintheRoad people have said the same thing could happen on any bike, its part of the deal when running off road I suppose. Whats surprising to me is that even on regular street use people say the same problems. The fix is pretty easy IMO, every rider should be able/know how to change out fork oil seals and replacing the fork bodies is simple as it all comes apart at that stage. Plus the new ones look cool AF as that dark bronze color really pops against the silver paint we have on our 16's
I had a 2017, all in all it was a good bike but the suspension and weight forced me to move on. For those that don't ride aggressively off-road it's a fantastic ADV bike and a pleasure to ride on the highway.
Moving the bike around is all relative. For my 68 year old body it’s a cakewalk compared to my Yamaha fjr. Agree with crazy battery position. Riding this bike is fun! 1000 ccs is the perfect engine. 😊
My first motorcycle with engine problems. My first motorcycle that gets tank slap on the highway. It’s up for sale if anyone wants it. Don’t worry about the engine knock and the occasional missfire/piston freeze during driving, Honda corporate says it’s normal!
I picked up my ATAS in 2018, it's my primary ride, the Honda is such a blast to ride anywhere. Did a upstate NY to New Mexico and back ride with no issues on any type of roads. My first major change was to swapped out the stock rims for Rally Raid tubeless. Did cost some $ but definitely a stronger rim. Really enjoy your videos.
I have a 2019 CRF1000L Standard Africa Twin and I have not had any kickstand issues. On a regular basis, I will put the stand down, tilt the entire bike off of the ground and spin it 180 degrees to get out of the storage, Maybe it's a different OEM stand.
Good information regarding the pluses and minuses of the early Honda AT. Thanks! I hate clear-cuts. It’s depressing seeing what’s left after a beautiful mountain-top forest is completely mowed down and dragged down the mountain...
Those mountains are all carefully managed timberlands that will be replanted and mature all over again for lumber production. As it has many times before. There's no such thing as "The Lorax" style clear cut, laugh like a villain, and move on to let it rot timber industry in America anymore and hasn't been for many decades.
Great video! I have a 19 and agree. Saturday layed mine down in fine gravel.. it sucks to crash on pavement! Wish I had more gear on than just a helmet. Roadrash hurts!
I own a 22 africa twin standard im 6' 208 lbs I have no issues with this bike and it's rider preference and you can build a bike for individuals . I take it everywhere it's a go anywhere do anything bike and love mine have 14k miles but wish honda would make a 1200 africa twin
Awesome video I was considering getting a DRZ400 or KLR650 adventure for my first bike. Went to the Honda dealership near my house they had the Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sport SE 2021 for 2k off so I jumped on it. Taking driving classes the 22&23rd going to drive around in my 4 acres of land till then.
It feels easier to maneuver around (in some ways) than my DR650. I can lean it over way further and not worry about dropping it. The clutch and steering lock are so amazing it is also easy to 'push' around with the engine assisting.
@@BikerBytes Might be a perception thing - The DR isn't that heavy, so should be easy to maneuver - but isn't. The AT is heavy so you think it will be really hard to maneuver - but isn't. OR I might just be a weirdo :)
@@campbellrousselle9752 I used to ride an F800GS but found it way to heavy (for me) when doing single or difficult tracks especially at low speed and so after dropping it a few times I moved to the DR and never looked back. So much better (for me). I agree, at speed, sure no problems but I wouldn't take such a large bike through narly tracks. ATB Jason.
@@BikerBytes Yep, we'll see how I feel when I do knarlier stuff. I might not be quite so cocky then. I'll send you a link if I do some good tracks and film it :) Might be a good vid of me struggling and wishing for something lighter LOL
@@campbellrousselle9752 yeah, I didn't want to give up the 800 as it was a good bike and great for long haul trips and gravel roads etc but the last drop was enough to convince me it wasn't the bike for me no matter how good it was. The DR opened up a new world and I'm enjoying every moment!
Great video, just picked up a Matt black 2020 model, I was very close to buying a GS but once I’d road tested the AT my mind was made up. Still getting to grips with the TFT & apple car play 😂😂. Looking forward to going off road.
Yes the AT is heavy. Of course adding many up grades increased the weight. I purchased a 2019 CB500X and many modes to it includ Rally Raid shocks and wheels and T-Rex skid plate and bars. Honda has a NT1100 out based on the AT for tour but talking to dealers here in Washington it is not coming here and dealers have no interest in carrying it. Their market is the fast crouch rockets that not used for road trips and wheelies. So Installed road type tires and use the AT for touring. I now have Tusk hard cases that can be locked and not the Mosko Moto soft bag the 500x is my off road bike. Idaho and Utah BDR. They both more work than Washington BDR.
The whole weight thing is a tradeoff for every type of motorcycle. The question is do you want the mass for momentum or not. It's great at faster speeds for pot holes with proper suspension. But terrible if your falling over or going less than 5 mph much of the time such as going through dense woods. If your going distance on dirt roads it's great.
I’ve got 40K on my 2017 AT and the forks are fine. I don’t have any Stiction issues people have complained about. Also, the 2016 is the second gen of the Africa twin moniker. The first gen was a 750 that Honda built for the Dakar.
I have the 2017, I'm surprised you didn't mention the stock pegs, they're comically small, had to upgrade those right away, every time I put the kickstand down and watch it flex😬...but most of all I also fell in love with the bike in the first couple miles, couldn't wipe the grin off my face
Agree 100% rode a 2017 for 60k km then bought a 2020. The 1000 was abused by me in any possible way, dropped a milion times off road, rode in deep sand after mud, dropped it on rocks and on tarmac. Rode it in winter on salty roads, and at 170 km/h constant for hours on the higway with 35 degrees C.... All the bike needed was, planned maintenance, 2 fork seals, and a new chain and sprockets. Sold it to the dealership was riding better than new... few flaws: a/m spokes getting some oxidation (never rally cared about it) the right footpeg support is made of zamak which means it will break if hit hard (did that on a rock) , suspensions especially the front fork are bit flimsy when pushed hard offroad. After 3 years of service I indeed looked nowhere else and after a brief test offroad bought the 1100 (which is possibly even better than the 1000)
@@MattPerry the 1100 is slightly faster in every way, slightly. That said the 1000 is fast enough to lose your driving licence with ease when on the road. Offroad the power is way more than anyone may actually need. The 1100 though IS a better bike than its predecessor
I have to say I enjoy the stock seat as well. I swapped the kickstand and added the windscreen brace to mine as well. The real thing people need to know before purchasing is that you’ll also be buying a laundry list of aftermarket parts too haha..... so better plan for that too.
Fully agree... I have a 17 and have the Camel Brace for my Tom Tom and the Camel Toe; Got rid of the plastic boxes and put SW Motech on for road use. The battery location is ok but access is awful. It’s lovely to ride - I have no plans to change it. ( in the UK I got wheels changed under warranty for potentially rusty spokes ). It’s a keeper.
I’ve got a Honda Africa twin 2021 manual and I’m 5’9 and my inseam is just over 32 IN with boots. This is my first bike and I took a driving course last week. And now have my license. The bike is so huge and heavy it’s so scary turning it. The power is fine I can go shift into second and come to a clean stop. I practiced going up and down a hill no issues and stopping at an incline and going without rolling backwards got all that down. Got onto the road and practiced going and turning around within two lanes to the left and right but it’s so scary I don’t think I am going to be able to master it on this bike. In class I was doing circles at 25 mph no problem. I guess I’m gonna pay it off and sell it to buy a new one maybe I’ll be riding in a year if I’m lucky.
Had to edit this my inseam is 32 IN with boots. But I ordered a kit that’ll lower the front and back 50 MM and a seat that takes off 30 MM So between the two I should be good. And Honda said it wouldn’t void my warranty.
You really feel the wait when it falls over in the mud. I have the Sports DCT, and I'm thinking about getting a jack to help me lift it up. It rides great but when you tip it over it's like a Sherman tank.
I just bought a used 16 model. I thought my kickstand was rather beefy, so maybe it has been replaced already. It is really heavy if you are off of the bike and pushing it around. Feels a lot heavier than it is. Not as bad when I am riding it.
watched your love/hate videos and agreee with your opinions 100%. Wish i had tuned into them before buying my 2020 AT DCT as I am very disappoinnted that the tires require tubes, if I knew this before I would have never purchased one. I 've already had a flat tire at 700 miles on the front. i regret buying this bike
Hallo, I own a 2017 AT and feel exactly the same about the bike like you do. Today I am still in love with it. All in all I agree with your complaints but I se it less dramatically. The position of the battery does not matter since installed a 12V socket for charging. To enter the bike I step on the left foot peg and swing the leg over. Never had a problem with the side stand. My main complaints are the forks. Repaired several times but always leaking soon after. Once downhill off-road in the french alpes I lost my front breaks due to fork oil on the break pads. Do you have further information about any improvement? When I asked the dealers for the reason I heard: You are the first one... or the bike is not meant for such a tough operation. I’m longing for a final solution! By the way as a German I was proud to understand your rapid talking. Great video!
"it will do anything"...Last summer I was on a fire road and 2 guys were looking for directions on a BDR that was going through. They had come off of "Devils Gulch" trail in Washington and that challenged me on my xr400R. one was on an Africa Twin and the other was on a KTM 690 enduro.
Hi my friend, nice review. I write from Costa Rica and also own a Honda AT (2019). Mine has less than 5,000 miles due to the pandemic, but I can say it is a reliable bike with enough engine to enjoy on the road. Maybe the weak point I see is the weight, but you get used to it. Regards!
I have a goldwing. Honda makes a good bike for sure. I can take it on many adventures, but I do have to avoid those gravel roads...and places like Canada or really rural parts of the USA do make adventure biking attractive.
I bought a 2019 ATAS and put 3600 miles on it so far. I really like the bike, but it has a bad engine knock, so I will be getting rid of it. The 2020 and 2021 finally started competing with the competition in power and cruise control, so I will check those out. They say it’s a competitor with the GS after the updates.
DITR! Nice review and, as a 2017 AT owner with 10K, I 100% concur with you assessment. I bought it because I needed one bike to do everything and it does all well. Look forward to riding with you and Ryan some time soon. Kelly "Odie" Odegaard, Salem
Great info and I agree with you on everything. I have a 2019 model that I love to off-road. I actually installed Camel windscreen brace and the Camel kickstand that's 1 inch shorter than stock. I actually didn't like the stock seat on my AT. I swapped it for a Sargent and I'm way happier with it!
It dont like slow speeds in towns or in traffic get it on the motorway it eats miles without stressing the engine plenty of power remaining will do 70 80 all day long , other issue i hear is rust on frame I think down to poor cleaning /maintenance riding in rain and after winter with salt i own the 2016 model which is spotless another thing to mention is the poor lights on the bike i ride at night may aswell have no lights at all so spots are a must the seat is no different from the f800gs 09 model "plank of wood" i have found the breaks are awesome no brake fade after 80 so miles unlike the f800gs which has brembos aswell and as for mpg not much difference from the 800gs again around 120 miles but I never run it low on fuel the main world of pain is battery location my god if you need access the tool is in the battery box housing 🤨 having crash bars is great but if your adding extras to the bike it all has to be removed which I've had to do many times ....only had my AT a year but what a machine love it .
I'm in love with adv bikes. I started with a no-name Chinese 250 in a crate that my son and I put together. Then I bought a RE Himalayan. I've put 10,000 km on it, including a 2,000 km road trip to see another son. Absolutely love the Himalayan, but my eye has always been drawn to the AT. My only concern is all the electronic bells and whistles. It seems like there are so many things that could potentially go wrong, so many bugs waiting to happen. Have you had any problems with the electronics?
"Prepare to fall in love..." Such a great salesman line and I couldn't agree more. I have a 2017 DCT and I have tried to get everyone I know on this bike because it just creates new riders. They should be renting these things out like scooters in the Caribbean.
Love your honest videos. Interested in buying the AT, but still a bit freaked out about having a tube blowout at highways speed. "I've watched your video on you repairing a flat, but that was low speed squiggly, but it still went flat quickly). Do you worry about a blowout on the highway?
fellow big bearded dude! just getting into it thanks for your awesome videos man it really is inpiring! I am getting the Suzuki DR650 2014 3500 miles all the mods I would want and need for a big dude and common sense. My goal is to become a good rider really get into and upgrade into either an africa twin or the Yamaha Tenere I really like both the KTM 890 seems ok too but keeping it reasonably priced is still a priority I live in wester MD I wish I were closer I'd tag along for some rides!!! cheers
I have the "18 ATAS and agree with most of your comments with the exception of the seat. I found it excruciating after an hour or so. I had to have it reupholstered by Mr. Ed's in Albany OR. On my way home from Seattle where I bought it. I opted for the DCT because I've had some issues with tennis elbow so the clutch was something I wanted to avoid. Love the bike but I'm hesitant to take off road in gnarly conditions. Whiskey throttle sounds frightening. I might look more into a front left hand brake install at some point. Anyway, I enjoy your channel. I ride through Oregon on occasion (Have family and friends in Oregon and Washington). Maybe we'll bump into one another some day.
I watched a vid from Aussie and I think they and maybe some EU contries are the reason that your setting are reset everytime the bike is turned off. Dag gum gubament regulation....... Great video sir thank you
Sold my 2018 AT AS as the wobbles from wind were ridiculous. Suspension was adjusted etc done just over 18k on it before it went. Off road it’s an animal but way too heavy.
Pick my DCT African twin up a week ago 75 years old haven’t ridden for years. Bike is amazing unbelievable never a test drive I just bought it without riding it. The DCT learned how I wanted to shift I’ve been driving slow speed on back roads it doesn’t go directly into six gear . Until I want to go fast. This bike is much better than I could’ve imagined.from Quebec Canada
Just read your comment today, March 24, 2023 - PEI, Canada. I’ve ridden for 50+ years (70 now) and have a few bikes. Just bought an Africa Twin DCT but haven’t ridden it yet. Just wondering how you got along with yours?
DCT doesn’t learn how a rider wants to shift. It’s behavior is dictated by what mode it’s set to, nothing more.
From Australia ❤ kept it up I’ll get it soon on Ls in two years
Fantastic to here brother. Just about to pull the trigger on a 2018 DCT in Cambodia, via Victoria BC. 60 years and holding baby. Be safe and thank you for the vote of encouragement on an AT.
@@jamesreed5362 As a 72 year old AT rider in 2024, I’d love to hear an update.
I have a 2017 and love it. Bought it down in Mexico because we live down there at least half the year. Put it in the back of the truck back in 2019 and drove to Oregon where I left it. Went back down to Mexico and bought a 2020 Adventure sport with dual clutch this time. They have made many changes along the way and as happy as I was with the 2017 I am twice as happy now. Love the dual clutch, The new frame that sits much lower, electrical outlet plus usb outlets, heated grips, so many options on the electronics for your ride. And more great bike and at age 75 I have riden a lot of bikes over the years but this 2020 is so far above the rest. WoW
Surprised cartel hasn't stolen the truck and bike
@@protectork9831 that has been exaggerated. South side of Chicago is just as bad. Need to be careful in dubious places. Mexico is not easy but you also can’t be acting like a tourist every where. There are millions of Americans Canadians snd Europeans happily retired in many places around Mexico outside of the resort areas. Check out Guanajuato, Guadalajara, Aguascalientes, Monterrey etc.
75 wow I wish I could get you a drink n hear your story,take care man
Can you compare it to a BMW 1250 GS A?
@@Asdfghjkl1234 it’s worse than Chicago
Got my first ever motorcycle 8 months ago at the age of 55.... yes, 2018 AT DCT and absolutely loved learning to ride on it and have now done 1000's of miles on it.... obsessed is an understatement!!!! Your video sums it up perfectly.
My 2017 AT is my first bike. I bought it before I even had a learner's license. I now have 5573 kms (3463 miles) on it and I love it so much. It was a pain in the arse to get licenced during Covid but worth every second I had to wait.
Was it beginner friendly?
@m4-f82 not really. I practiced lots in a parking lot doing slow speed riding to get better. That being said I did all my riding and tests for my license on this bike. I'm 6ft tall and 210lbs so I think my size helped and I also ride downhill and trail mountain bikes which also helped with understanding counter balance and count steering. I have no regrets in making this my first motorcycle ever and still my only bike. It is big but I don't dirtbike. All the forest service roads I ride are made smooth by this bike. I tove it.
The smile on your face throughout the video really said it all.
I visited a Honda dealer last week that had 3 Africa Twins. One of them is now mine. I had them order a few accessories for it, including crash guards, the factory low seat, and center stand. Those things arrived this week and are being installed now. I hope to have the bike by the weekend. I’m very excited. Thanks for all your videos on the bike. They inspired me to get the AT.
Hell yeah, man!
You inspired me to buy my very first bike! I wanted a dirt bike initially but don’t own a truck or trailer, so I started researching dual sports and adv bikes and decided on the ktm 390 adventure. this thing is a blast and I love I can ride it to and from the trails. Great channel, maybe an AT will be a major upgrade for me later down the road 🌲
Own 2016/17 Africa Twin in Japan. No stand problems. Do have center stand installed. I do little off-road stuff and use the bike as an excellent touring machine. Yes, comfortable. Excellent machine and mine with DCT.
l am 62 and passed the mid life crisis, but l am considering the AT for health reasons. I ride a HD Road King but it is not much fun and way heavy. Thanks for the information.
I can relate! I rode my friends 2019 last summer for 30 min.... a week later, I picked up my 2020. The bike is awesome
It's easy to fall in love with, for sure.
There is a ew 2019 DCT for $10,500, I’m scared to go look at it, but my Vstrom 650 blows for two up riding.
Randy, how are you liking your AT ?
@@jblue1299 … loving it! Went on several camping trips and the only complaint I have is the seat is a bit too hard so I’m currently using an air hawk and sheepskin. Other than that, I think it’s an amazing bike
@@RandyMcCotter thanks for your insight
Just bought a demo 2020 CRF1100L, loving it, so much power on tap and as you say once rolling it feels nice and nimble. New one is lighter than old model, I don't find it too bad to wheel around the garage.
If you turn it off at the Red Cutoff switch instead of the key .. it keeps the settings like ABS and Wheelie Control Off ! (There are a few other bikes that this applies for also) Fine for a short stop to take a photo or a toilet stop. BUt from memory it leaves the DRLs on so not good for long time stop.
Glad to hear at 75 still riding and appreciate the 2017 eval. Looking at one now. Currently riding the trusty DRZ400s and an XR600R through the AZ desert at 62. Altho the XR can get me unto trouble, lol. Stay safe!!
Excellent bike, had 2 2016 DCTs and now waiting for my 2023 manual ATAS
I love my 17 AT. I've put 1800 miles on it in the last month and a half. Crash bars and new skid plate go on this weekend.
Enjoy your upgrades!
Just ordered a 2022 Adventure Sport ES DCT Africa Twin.
Can't wait!
Oh, it's January. Looks like I'm gonna be waiting.
Great review. My '21 is supposed to arrive at the end of this month, and these videos only make me even more excited! Thanks for posting.
Thanks for watching!
You're in for some wonderful rides! Welcome to the club 🇨🇦
Br, how are you liking the AT ?
I’ve been riding for 45 years straight and absolutely love my ‘19 AT. Thanks for a great video
Dct?
No, manual clutch
I just rode my first africa twin earlier today and I will say that your riding skills and mine are at very different ends of spectrum
I've done 127,000 klms on my 16 manual. We've ridden from Australia, through Asia to Europe and North Africa two up over 3 1/2 years. I can't agree about the seat. For me it was a shocker. Some of the best money i spent on the bike was replacing the seat. (replacing the suspension, although expensive was also money well spent) Other issues are the front spokes along with corroding they will work loose. Keep an eye on them. The front disc carrier's where they make contact with the bobbins will most likely flog out prematurely. Usually the right, but can also be the left. Honda have replaced many under warranty. If you ride heavily loaded or in wet and dusty conditions, then the rear right wheel bearing can fail in as little as 20,000 klms. If you are mostly on pavement then you'll get at least twice this. I've adapted a double row ball bearing, problem fixed. Hmm, what else. Oh, my battery lasted problem free until 120,000 klms, so not bothered about the location. In any case I don't really find it an issue. When first released these bikes were relatively cheap compared to their competition. To achieve this Honda cut corners on some aspects of the bike. The obvious areas being the suspension and spokes to name but two. Oh and the side stand, your right about that. It's made of cheese. Although having said that, mine hasn't snapped yet. But I don't mount the bike by standing on the peg first. That will definately break the side stand, especially if you are on the rotund side.The original pegs belong on a PeeWee 50. So change those to your preferred brand. Pivot pegs for me. So far the cross bar above the instuments have lasted trouble free, all this time with a Garmin LM590 hanging off of it, lucky I guess. If you are mostly on the tarmac i wouldn't be concerned. But yes many have snapped. But the major componatry is solid. I've only adjusted the two inboard exhaust valves for example. If we were riding solo, we'd be on much lighter bikes. I think the CRF300 would be a far better choice for long term RTW travel (solo). I might sound like I don't like the bike. I do, but you need to recognise it's faults and limitations. This bike and it's peers are all far too heavy and have waaaaay too much electronic gimmicks for my liking. Fortunately the 16/17's wern't burdened with too much electronics. All a bit long winded I know, but I think I have a bit to offer on this bike. More info found here if you are at all inclined. advrider.com/f/threads/rtw-on-a-h-a-t-in-the-slow-lane.1172713/
Dct?
Excellent info thanks
Love my 2017 as well . Smooth power and very capable in the dirt . Have the same mods as well on my AF and added a booster sensor on my air intake to see how good they work. Very happy how it works.
The downside of being a motorcycle enthusiast? There's always another motorcycle you want, and either:
• Not enough space for it
• Not enough money for it
• Both
My thoughts exactly .
@@hardworkingamerican8847 , not to mention maintenance, insurance, title and license.
Oh yeah. I'm almost done paying off my Indian Scout but I want an Africa Twin DCT already so badly lol
I know the Honda Nc750x DCT would be the smarter choice but my god I can't get over this beauty
@@captainamerica9353 Not to be rude, but if you're worried about maintenance, insurance license and title costs, you probably have way larger life issues to worry about than buying a motorcycle.
I get it, most of us have been in the boat of having a dream item, but not being anywhere near capable of responsibly owning it.
Keep your eyes on the prize, my friend. Some day you'll get there.
@@Bingomandingo I wanted a Scout Bobber really badly, but it would be my second 'road dedicated' bike, it would take up a fair amount of real estate, and I'm relegated to 2 motorcycles with present available space.
Also I need a larger variety of riding types and capabilities, so forced to choose, the AT is just a much more attractive option.
There's always the "sell the current bike to get the next bike" option, but I've heard WAY too many "I wish I hadn't sold it" stories, to go down that road.
I also find the stock seat comfortable. Test rode both the AT and a Gold Wing F6B within 15 minutes of each other. I’d always had back problems and/or sore butt requiring either an aftermarket seat, a backrest or both to ride any length of time comfortably. Was shocked to find the Gold Wing uncomfortable and the AT comfortable. I’m now 75 and still own a ‘17 AT DCT. Admittedly, now use an AirHawk cushion with so little air in it one would think it was deflated....but hours in the saddle are accomplished with little or no discomfort. Love that bike and the DCT but it is getting to be a handful.
Its NOT just you. I’m 68, and bought a new 2019 in May of 2020, sight unseen in Arkansas on my way home to Illinois from Arizona. Got 17.8k miles on it now. It’s a handful to maneuver around slowly. I’ve dropped it a number of times, and was pinned under it 3 times, on a group ride, luckily, I had help. When it’s up to speed it’s sheer delight. I have realized that the bike is too big and heavy for me to scout out sketchy back road trails by myself anymore. I just bought a CRF 250 L for that, and it’s wonderful. When I hop back on the Africa twin, after a few days of the 250, I realize what a gorgeous machine it is. I hope to find some thing in between those two, and just have one bike for everything.
I agree with everything you said. It's why I have the AT and a DRZ.
Btw, I’m very much enjoying your channel, and wish I’d seen this video before buying. Might have made a difference. I’d been waiting for the T7 to hit the states, but got tired of the wait and got super deal on the AT. Now that I finished the last few minutes of your video, I made a few edits to hopefully, clarify my post.
Thanks so much for watching and enjoying!
My 2016 AT is completely awesome, as you said. My 28th bike... this 69 years old dude loves it. Odd that I've never had an issue with the kickstand. Always mount the bike stepping onto the pegs then flip up stand. Apparently got a good one. Have never mounted anything onto windshield mount, thus no issues. Has impressive wind protection gor such a small shield. I'm 6 feet, 250 pounds. 21,000 miles ZERO failures. Battery cable is stupidly short...worse than any others that I've owned. Ride safe...nice web platform.
I've got a 2016 and everything you said w the exception of having a large fuel tank is spot on. I've got one and have 35,000 mi on it. With moderate riding skills, it's perfect for forestry roads and 2-track. I've had 800 mile days on the saddle without any problem. It corners like a road bike and will easily keep pace with street bikes even w 50/50 tires. My only real complaint? No cruise control. If you ride a lot of miles, you'll appreciate even something as simple as a throttle lock. Oh, and tubeless tires. ADV bikes are not dirt bikes. Tubeless wheels would be plenty strong for 99% of anyone who would take a 500# bike loaded with camp gear offroad.
The latest model (2022) has tubeless tires. :)
One thing to remember if you have the DCT model is to make sure it’s in neutral when you switch it off, otherwise you have clutch drag which makes the bike seem even heavier than it is. Thanks for the video 👍
Doesn't the bike do this automatically? I had always assumed so, anyway, from the provision of the parking brake and the fact that you have to put it in gear after you start it back up. Is it somehow keeping the clutch disengaged when it's off, and then shifting to neutral when you start again? Or how's that work?
My #1 fav; the balance is absolutely great. For a big adv bike I was shocked how well balanced it is. Having raced XR 600R & 650 desert style & the AT being my 1st ADV bike I love how nimble it is. It jumps like a dead cow but it's a joy to dance around big rocks & ruts.
The tech is a pain & could simplified. My 13 y.o. had to show me how get thru the screens & set up my ride.
LOL it DOES jump like a dead cow. It really loves being on the ground.
I also have a 2016 Africa Twin purchased off the dealer floor in April 2017. Had a $1,000 off sale that month. It is my second brand new motorcycle in my life. The first was an XL-250 I bought in May 1974.
My very first motorcycle was a 1965 Honda CA95 Benly Touring ("Baby Dream") 125 cc. Drove it 135 miles each way weekends when I started college (until it got cold). While in the service, I bought a used 1970 Honda CL175. I bought the XL-250 as I on terminal leave. Sorry I sold that XL-250.
1986 BMW R80 RT then swapped if with his nephew for a
maintenancemaintenance
took some time to adjust to the seat height and weight. Purchased the Honda lower seat, then a Sargent lower seat. I have a bit more mass to spread out on the seat. The more I rode it, the more confident I became with stopping in traffic when the road slopes the "wrong" way.
Maneuveringaneuvers in parking lots when I have the time.
For the few times I will actively go off onto trails and more technical riding, I did find another 1974 XL-250. It does need some "attention" but not too much. It won't be my daily ride. But I did notice that I could almost "flat-foot" when stopped. AND the seat is much more comfortable than the current CRF250L/CRF300L.
I have been very happy with my Africa Twin. Other than adding crash bars (I dropped the bike twice - both times in my driveway after installing the crash bars, not before), wider foot pegs, and a lithium battery, the bike is mostly stock.
Great video! Love my ‘17 AT DCT and ready for a trip out west this summer. Thank you for the tip on the Camel kickstand!
I really like mine so far
Another great video about the AT. I traded in my 2015 BMW 800 GS for this bike ( I own a 2017 manual ) and I’m extremely satisfied. They are very similar off road but the AT motor is much better on the highway than the GS. ( I’m comparing to the 800 not the 850) . The only disagreement I have on your video is the kickstand. I agree it flexes but I have not seen any one report it broke by putting your foot on the peg and mounting the bike. I weigh over 200 lbs and have had the bike loaded for camping with no issues. Does it flex? YES, but I just don’t look at it anymore. When I see multiple people show their kickstand broke I will buy into a new kickstand. Don’t get me wrong, once I saw it flex and read all the forums I was going to replace it. But I’m a cheap ass and didn’t. Still works and still satisfied.. Keep the content coming and please let me know if you got my email. I work really hard on my posts once I heard you were an English major. 😂 My Uncle was an English major and corrects me all the time. 😀
Great review. Had a 2017 and a 2019, both were amazing. I agree about the weight, once you get going it feels like a 450lbs bike at most, power wheelies in 2nd gear which is kind of surprising when you look at the power to weight ratio.
At 6'1" I couldn't stand the stock seat (weird angle that doesn't seem to affect shorter riders). Also I wish Honda tried to simplify the maintenance. The valve check at 25000km is too soon and quite a project (8h for a Honda technician if adjustments are needed), Yamaha generally recommend valve checks way over 40000km and I know someone who put 200000km on a super tenere without ever even checking the valves. Even the air filter is not quick to get too, just too many plastics covering everything (it took about 2 minutes to change the air filter on my Honda Nighthawk and that was a road bike, why would you want to make the access harder on an adventure bike?). Aside from that, just one of the best all round bikes out there. I've seen a rider put 500000km on his...
Some of the problems have now been modified with the 2020 AT.
Though I think they've gone and made the seat horrible now, well that's my opinion at least, LOL.
You can now change to 6 riding modes just with the press of one or two buttons, so if you set up the user 1 / 2 modes you can have them with traction control on /off, and on/ off road and possibly completely off (never tried the last one) and you can also set the power output for all the different riding modes.
The weirdest comment I heard about the AT was "its annoyingly better than the rest" 😁
Thank you for the great content.
I bought my AT (2016) three years ago, and having put almost 20,000 miles on it since, I can attest to the truth of everything you said. I love riding it. But I am seriously thinking of getting a second smaller bike to build my off-road skills. There are so many places around here where I think I might get into trouble with a 500lb+ bike. Not to mention my driveway, which is steep and I must share with two cars.
YOur beard lured me in, the channel name resonated with me... Excite bike intro was the last nail in the coffin.
I just bought a 2022 Adv DCT, and since my second bike is a Goldwing, I maybe selling that in favor of my AT being the best all 'arounder'. It's just that good in my opinion.
I add some things. Factory windshield for 190cm guys ending at most turbulent place anybody can imagine. There is rumor in helmet at this specific height . Gearbox - pretty not precise .. nothing annoying but i get mid-neutral too many times .. Old transalp having more precise gearbox. And it sometimes making shot to airbox (just after quick throttle turn ) . About rotten spikes - cross center spikes (in EU ) have stainless steel but beware of spike screws - do not choose steel + nickel (or zinc) , just alloy + finish . If you choose steel spike screws you will have beauty spike and rusty spike screw , that's annoying .Gold wheels coating is pretty weak also . All that problems disappear after turn on beauty sounding engine and unbelievable capability of riding anywhere.
Growing up on dirt bikes.
Been on big Harleys as an adult.
My friend took me to test ride an AT this weekend before he bought it. As he hasn't rode in a while.
Even the guy selling was saying it was heavy. When I got on it, I was blown away that it felt so light.
I took off, and just started riding like my old BMX days. I felt like I could do anything on.
Came back in with an Endo. I stress tested the shit out it.
I felt in love with it. Now I'm planning on getting one.
Now his is a DCT. That took some getting used to. It's fine, but never really felt like I had 100% control.
So I'm going to look for a normal Clutch version.
I'm 40 years old, my knees are shoot from a very physical life and this bike just felt right. I don't really understand why heavy even comes to mind for people on the AT.
@@vikingkombat9389 Because you are used to super heavy Harleys
@@diegovillacrez8349 Perhaps, or people need more leg days in the gym.
I agree, it’s a great bike. But it’s at least 100 lbs too heavy. I rented one and went for a trip (5.000-5.500 miles). It was perfect on the highway, nice on gravel roads, but way to bulky for any technical riding, especially solo, like I did. Once you’re down, you’re stucked. It’s the same problem, like with the fat GS’es.
100lbs?? With the added fuel on my 2018 ATAS it is a beast but while riding it still feel very nimble. If you want to drop 100lbs you will need to go with the Yamaha Tenere 700 which is a great bike and you only lose two things IMO. #1 - Not as good with a passenger #2 - It is not a Africa Twin :)
Thanks for another great video. I spent months deciding between an AT and an R1200GS and ultimately decided on the GS because at that time the AT didn’t have cruise, even though it was drive by wire. (And my right-hand arthritis needs cruise.) still, eventually there will probably be an AT DCT in my future. Thanks again.
What's wrong with the GS?
@@adinovak2352
Absolutely nothing.
I was seriously considering an AT at one point but now I've decided to start on a lighter bike (CRF300L) and do more off-road riding
Why pick? Get one of each
Very good choice... The thing is nobody suspects what a whale the AT is... It looks nice and it is great on the road, but off road... Meah. Even the crf has its limits when you get into technical stuff, being 50 kilos too heavy for real enduro, but you get by. The AT... What an expensive way to crash, and believe you me, if you go off road, you will crash... Several times :)
I have 5 bikes, including an AT and a 250 and a 400, anything over 250lbs is cumbersome off-road, my KLX400R is 260lbs and that is about the limit I would ride hard off road, I am a very experienced rider for 30 years, I was a paid rider and worked in a dealership in my life. If you want to have fun off-road make weight a priority, you will enjoy it much more. When I do casual trail riding I use my Honda Monkey more than anything, its so light and low it makes any casual ride tons of fun
@@marcoluoma3770 $
Me2! If everything goes to plan. I’ll have a 300L this weekend!!!!
Here's a tip for you regarding your comment of the bike resetting after switching it off: If you turn it off by kicking out the sidestand it doesn't reset.
I love my 2016 AT, put over 55k on it since 2018.
I have one gripe you didn't mention, the front forks need work for any kind of serious offroad. Also there is a design flaw with the fork walls and they will bind up over time. The fix is to replace the outer fork bodies with the 2019 ATAS bodies.
Other than that and the other two things you mentioned this bike is as capable as anything else out there and its ultra reliable.
Yeah the fork binding thing is really annoying and surprising, for sure.
@@DorkintheRoad people have said the same thing could happen on any bike, its part of the deal when running off road I suppose. Whats surprising to me is that even on regular street use people say the same problems. The fix is pretty easy IMO, every rider should be able/know how to change out fork oil seals and replacing the fork bodies is simple as it all comes apart at that stage.
Plus the new ones look cool AF as that dark bronze color really pops against the silver paint we have on our 16's
I had a 2017, all in all it was a good bike but the suspension and weight forced me to move on. For those that don't ride aggressively off-road it's a fantastic ADV bike and a pleasure to ride on the highway.
What did you end up going with?
@@rdspice2 KTM 890 Adventure R, couldn’t be happier.
Moving the bike around is all relative. For my 68 year old body it’s a cakewalk compared to my Yamaha fjr. Agree with crazy battery position. Riding this bike is fun! 1000 ccs is the perfect engine. 😊
My first motorcycle with engine problems. My first motorcycle that gets tank slap on the highway. It’s up for sale if anyone wants it. Don’t worry about the engine knock and the occasional missfire/piston freeze during driving, Honda corporate says it’s normal!
I picked up my ATAS in 2018, it's my primary ride, the Honda is such a blast to ride anywhere. Did a upstate NY to New Mexico and back ride with no issues on any type of roads. My first major change was to swapped out the stock rims for Rally Raid tubeless. Did cost some $ but definitely a stronger rim. Really enjoy your videos.
Are the rally raids tubeless?
@@ShooterMedic1818 yes. Main reason I got them.
Very good review, appreciated, Honda African Twin is also my dream bike. I am working and saving to get one.
Subbed. Interested in this bike, you are a great resource I've found this morning. Thank you.
Thanks for the sub. It's a fantastic bike, IMHO
Thanks for the great video. I'm seriously contemplating a used 2017 non DCT manual AT with low miles.
I have a 2019 CRF1000L Standard Africa Twin and I have not had any kickstand issues. On a regular basis, I will put the stand down, tilt the entire bike off of the ground and spin it 180 degrees to get out of the storage, Maybe it's a different OEM stand.
Good information regarding the pluses and minuses of the early Honda AT. Thanks!
I hate clear-cuts. It’s depressing seeing what’s left after a beautiful mountain-top forest is completely mowed down and dragged down the mountain...
Those mountains are all carefully managed timberlands that will be replanted and mature all over again for lumber production. As it has many times before. There's no such thing as "The Lorax" style clear cut, laugh like a villain, and move on to let it rot timber industry in America anymore and hasn't been for many decades.
Clear cuts are important for conservation.
Great video!
I have a 19 and agree. Saturday layed mine down in fine gravel.. it sucks to crash on pavement! Wish I had more gear on than just a helmet. Roadrash hurts!
wow, bikes is heavy but feels ok when its moving. Thanks for figuring this out.
Nice review. Have the Honda NC700X - looking now at the 2016-2019 AT’s. Thanks
I own a 22 africa twin standard im 6' 208 lbs I have no issues with this bike and it's rider preference and you can build a bike for individuals . I take it everywhere it's a go anywhere do anything bike and love mine have 14k miles but wish honda would make a 1200 africa twin
Awesome video I was considering getting a DRZ400 or KLR650 adventure for my first bike. Went to the Honda dealership near my house they had the Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sport SE 2021 for 2k off so I jumped on it.
Taking driving classes the 22&23rd going to drive around in my 4 acres of land till then.
It feels easier to maneuver around (in some ways) than my DR650. I can lean it over way further and not worry about dropping it. The clutch and steering lock are so amazing it is also easy to 'push' around with the engine assisting.
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@@BikerBytes Might be a perception thing - The DR isn't that heavy, so should be easy to maneuver - but isn't. The AT is heavy so you think it will be really hard to maneuver - but isn't. OR I might just be a weirdo :)
@@campbellrousselle9752 I used to ride an F800GS but found it way to heavy (for me) when doing single or difficult tracks especially at low speed and so after dropping it a few times I moved to the DR and never looked back. So much better (for me). I agree, at speed, sure no problems but I wouldn't take such a large bike through narly tracks. ATB Jason.
@@BikerBytes Yep, we'll see how I feel when I do knarlier stuff. I might not be quite so cocky then. I'll send you a link if I do some good tracks and film it :) Might be a good vid of me struggling and wishing for something lighter LOL
@@campbellrousselle9752 yeah, I didn't want to give up the 800 as it was a good bike and great for long haul trips and gravel roads etc but the last drop was enough to convince me it wasn't the bike for me no matter how good it was. The DR opened up a new world and I'm enjoying every moment!
Great video, just picked up a Matt black 2020 model, I was very close to buying a GS but once I’d road tested the AT my mind was made up. Still getting to grips with the TFT & apple car play 😂😂. Looking forward to going off road.
Fabulous video I bought my Africa Twin DCT 2017 a year ago they are awesome bikes subbed and liked
Yes the AT is heavy. Of course adding many up grades increased the weight. I purchased a 2019 CB500X and many modes to it includ Rally Raid shocks and wheels and T-Rex skid plate and bars. Honda has a NT1100 out based on the AT for tour but talking to dealers here in Washington it is not coming here and dealers have no interest in carrying it. Their market is the fast crouch rockets that not used for road trips and wheelies. So Installed road type tires and use the AT for touring. I now have Tusk hard cases that can be locked and not the Mosko Moto soft bag the 500x is my off road bike. Idaho and Utah BDR. They both more work than Washington BDR.
The whole weight thing is a tradeoff for every type of motorcycle. The question is do you want the mass for momentum or not. It's great at faster speeds for pot holes with proper suspension. But terrible if your falling over or going less than 5 mph much of the time such as going through dense woods. If your going distance on dirt roads it's great.
I’ve got 40K on my 2017 AT and the forks are fine. I don’t have any Stiction issues people have complained about. Also, the 2016 is the second gen of the Africa twin moniker. The first gen was a 750 that Honda built for the Dakar.
I have the 2017, I'm surprised you didn't mention the stock pegs, they're comically small, had to upgrade those right away, every time I put the kickstand down and watch it flex😬...but most of all I also fell in love with the bike in the first couple miles, couldn't wipe the grin off my face
Agree 100% rode a 2017 for 60k km then bought a 2020. The 1000 was abused by me in any possible way, dropped a milion times off road, rode in deep sand after mud, dropped it on rocks and on tarmac. Rode it in winter on salty roads, and at 170 km/h constant for hours on the higway with 35 degrees C.... All the bike needed was, planned maintenance, 2 fork seals, and a new chain and sprockets. Sold it to the dealership was riding better than new... few flaws: a/m spokes getting some oxidation (never rally cared about it) the right footpeg support is made of zamak which means it will break if hit hard (did that on a rock) , suspensions especially the front fork are bit flimsy when pushed hard offroad. After 3 years of service I indeed looked nowhere else and after a brief test offroad bought the 1100 (which is possibly even better than the 1000)
does the 1000 keep up in terms of speed comparing with the 1100
@@MattPerry the 1100 is slightly faster in every way, slightly. That said the 1000 is fast enough to lose your driving licence with ease when on the road. Offroad the power is way more than anyone may actually need. The 1100 though IS a better bike than its predecessor
I have to say I enjoy the stock seat as well. I swapped the kickstand and added the windscreen brace to mine as well. The real thing people need to know before purchasing is that you’ll also be buying a laundry list of aftermarket parts too haha..... so better plan for that too.
You just verified I few things that bugged me. Spot on.
Still love my 2018 DCT.
Will be difficult for me to move away from Honda.
Just saw the Angels Envy in the background! Respect man! One of my favorite bourbons. Guessing you're a Texan too.
Fully agree... I have a 17 and have the Camel Brace for my Tom Tom and the Camel Toe; Got rid of the plastic boxes and put SW Motech on for road use. The battery location is ok but access is awful.
It’s lovely to ride - I have no plans to change it.
( in the UK I got wheels changed under warranty for potentially rusty spokes ).
It’s a keeper.
I’ve got a Honda Africa twin 2021 manual and I’m 5’9 and my inseam is just over 32 IN with boots. This is my first bike and I took a driving course last week. And now have my license.
The bike is so huge and heavy it’s so scary turning it. The power is fine I can go shift into second and come to a clean stop. I practiced going up and down a hill no issues and stopping at an incline and going without rolling backwards got all that down. Got onto the road and practiced going and turning around within two lanes to the left and right but it’s so scary I don’t think I am going to be able to master it on this bike. In class I was doing circles at 25 mph no problem.
I guess I’m gonna pay it off and sell it to buy a new one maybe I’ll be riding in a year if I’m lucky.
Had to edit this my inseam is 32 IN with boots. But I ordered a kit that’ll lower the front and back 50 MM and a seat that takes off 30 MM
So between the two I should be good. And Honda said it wouldn’t void my warranty.
Number one reason why I haven’t test ridden an AT yet.....I already have the “I wants”, if I rode it.....they would become unbearable. 🤣
You really feel the wait when it falls over in the mud. I have the Sports DCT, and I'm thinking about getting a jack to help me lift it up. It rides great but when you tip it over it's like a Sherman tank.
Dude! I 100% agree with everything you said! I have a 2017 model
I just bought a used 16 model. I thought my kickstand was rather beefy, so maybe it has been replaced already. It is really heavy if you are off of the bike and pushing it around. Feels a lot heavier than it is. Not as bad when I am riding it.
watched your love/hate videos and agreee with your opinions 100%. Wish i had tuned into them before buying my 2020 AT DCT as I am very disappoinnted that the tires require tubes, if I knew this before I would have never purchased one. I 've already had a flat tire at 700 miles on the front. i regret buying this bike
Hallo, I own a 2017 AT and feel exactly the same about the bike like you do. Today I am still in love with it. All in all I agree with your complaints but I se it less dramatically. The position of the battery does not matter since installed a 12V socket for charging. To enter the bike I step on the left foot peg and swing the leg over. Never had a problem with the side stand.
My main complaints are the forks. Repaired several times but always leaking soon after. Once downhill off-road in the french alpes I lost my front breaks due to fork oil on the break pads. Do you have further information about any improvement? When I asked the dealers for the reason I heard: You are the first one... or the bike is not meant for such a tough operation. I’m longing for a final solution! By the way as a German I was proud to understand your rapid talking. Great video!
"it will do anything"...Last summer I was on a fire road and 2 guys were looking for directions on a BDR that was going through. They had come off of "Devils Gulch" trail in Washington and that challenged me on my xr400R. one was on an Africa Twin and the other was on a KTM 690 enduro.
Hi my friend, nice review. I write from Costa Rica and also own a Honda AT (2019). Mine has less than 5,000 miles due to the pandemic, but I can say it is a reliable bike with enough engine to enjoy on the road. Maybe the weak point I see is the weight, but you get used to it. Regards!
This is the best motorcycle. I really want one like this.
I have a goldwing. Honda makes a good bike for sure. I can take it on many adventures, but I do have to avoid those gravel roads...and places like Canada or really rural parts of the USA do make adventure biking attractive.
I bought a 2019 ATAS and put 3600 miles on it so far. I really like the bike, but it has a bad engine knock, so I will be getting rid of it. The 2020 and 2021 finally started competing with the competition in power and cruise control, so I will check those out. They say it’s a competitor with the GS after the updates.
DITR! Nice review and, as a 2017 AT owner with 10K, I 100% concur with you assessment. I bought it because I needed one bike to do everything and it does all well. Look forward to riding with you and Ryan some time soon. Kelly "Odie" Odegaard, Salem
Great info and I agree with you on everything. I have a 2019 model that I love to off-road. I actually installed Camel windscreen brace and the Camel kickstand that's 1 inch shorter than stock. I actually didn't like the stock seat on my AT. I swapped it for a Sargent and I'm way happier with it!
Agree with your seat choice, the stock seat on my 2018 ATAS was bad but absolutely love the Sargent
It dont like slow speeds in towns or in traffic get it on the motorway it eats miles without stressing the engine plenty of power remaining will do 70 80 all day long , other issue i hear is rust on frame I think down to poor cleaning /maintenance riding in rain and after winter with salt i own the 2016 model which is spotless another thing to mention is the poor lights on the bike i ride at night may aswell have no lights at all so spots are a must the seat is no different from the f800gs 09 model "plank of wood" i have found the breaks are awesome no brake fade after 80 so miles unlike the f800gs which has brembos aswell and as for mpg not much difference from the 800gs again around 120 miles but I never run it low on fuel the main world of pain is battery location my god if you need access the tool is in the battery box housing 🤨 having crash bars is great but if your adding extras to the bike it all has to be removed which I've had to do many times ....only had my AT a year but what a machine love it .
I'm in love with adv bikes. I started with a no-name Chinese 250 in a crate that my son and I put together. Then I bought a RE Himalayan. I've put 10,000 km on it, including a 2,000 km road trip to see another son. Absolutely love the Himalayan, but my eye has always been drawn to the AT.
My only concern is all the electronic bells and whistles. It seems like there are so many things that could potentially go wrong, so many bugs waiting to happen.
Have you had any problems with the electronics?
And yes she’ll get you there and back and you’ll love her the more. What about DCT?
I like your honesty :) thanks for the video!
I'm a short, old rider (66 years old) and I find this bike a handful sometimes.
One of my dream bikes but I am 5'8'' so I worry that the weight and height is going to be always a problem for commuting with it.
Just found your channel, fellow Dork. I'm in - subscribed.
"Prepare to fall in love..." Such a great salesman line and I couldn't agree more. I have a 2017 DCT and I have tried to get everyone I know on this bike because it just creates new riders. They should be renting these things out like scooters in the Caribbean.
Love your honest videos. Interested in buying the AT, but still a bit freaked out about having a tube blowout at highways speed. "I've watched your video on you repairing a flat, but that was low speed squiggly, but it still went flat quickly). Do you worry about a blowout on the highway?
fellow big bearded dude! just getting into it thanks for your awesome videos man it really is inpiring! I am getting the Suzuki DR650 2014 3500 miles all the mods I would want and need for a big dude and common sense. My goal is to become a good rider really get into and upgrade into either an africa twin or the Yamaha Tenere I really like both the KTM 890 seems ok too but keeping it reasonably priced is still a priority I live in wester MD I wish I were closer I'd tag along for some rides!!! cheers
Thanks for watching! My goal is to inspire others to get out there and ride. I'm glad to hear it's working!
Im a new rider and currently riding svartpilen 701. I really want to own aftica twin
Love the ichiban moto sticker in the background!
I am behind you on the the battery placement.
I have the "18 ATAS and agree with most of your comments with the exception of the seat. I found it excruciating after an hour or so. I had to have it reupholstered by Mr. Ed's in Albany OR. On my way home from Seattle where I bought it. I opted for the DCT because I've had some issues with tennis elbow so the clutch was something I wanted to avoid. Love the bike but I'm hesitant to take off road in gnarly conditions. Whiskey throttle sounds frightening. I might look more into a front left hand brake install at some point.
Anyway, I enjoy your channel. I ride through Oregon on occasion (Have family and friends in Oregon and Washington). Maybe we'll bump into one another some day.
That's interesting. I can ride on it for hours with no problems. Maybe they changed the seat in the newer models?
I doubt it. I've got a pretty boney ass. Not saying you don't.
I watched a vid from Aussie and I think they and maybe some EU contries are the reason that your setting are reset everytime the bike is turned off. Dag gum gubament regulation....... Great video sir thank you
Sold my 2018 AT AS as the wobbles from wind were ridiculous. Suspension was adjusted etc done just over 18k on it before it went. Off road it’s an animal but way too heavy.