Residential Heating and Air expert here with almost 30 certifications in the US, DO NOT USE THOSE LITTLE INDIVIDUAL VENT FILTERS! It sounds like a neat and convinient idea but they can reduce airflow drastically and cause the pressure in the ducting to get really high causing damage to the furnace itself. I don't know about you but I'd rather vacuum out a vent then replace a furnace.
I really appreciate these types of videos. You are genuinely earning my future business. I'm not ready to upgrade yet, but I already know who I'm calling when I'm ready.
I laughed 🤣so hard when I opened it up and read that first line as I was all prepared to start typing the same thing. Never gonna do this video and actually say one is the best cause he sells them both. Love you and your videos but it's true.
As a mechanical engineer, you were speaking my language when you said fluid dynamics lol. That’s the stuff you don’t hear from other sales guys, great job/ content as always
What you’re saying is true. I did HVAC design for manufacturing facilities and labs my first job out of college. When we put systems in our models, you lose efficiency with every bend, curve, and pretty much every non smooth surface the ducts had. We could build systems that had ultra high efficiency and output but it comes at a cost. We had to balance $$$ vs usage, same here.
TY for the supporting feedback, Dorian. Sometimes I think people wonder if I just make this stuff up lol That's why I try to provide +/- both ways -- so they can see I am being fair.
If you camp with full hook-ups, which I do 99.9% of the time, then use 2 or 3 small electric heaters. On a really cold night, you can supplement the electric heaters with your furnace, and still save a lot on propane. I currently have cabinet heat outlets, and have been going on 5 years without refilling my propane tanks.
I have had both systems in trailers and motorhomes. Cabinet heating in my opinion, is noisy, definitely uses more propane, you get uneven heating, hot and cold areas. Can't adjust more or less air to certain areas. Loss of cabinet space. I feel cabinet heating is ok for small campers that are more sold at a price point. I personally dont see a disadvantage to floor heating, steping on a vet has never hurt my feet or broke a vent. I'm glad you brought up the filters for them although I have never had the need to use them even with having dogs in my camper. You can buy diverter to direct more or less air where needed. I'm lucky, my trailer has 2 AC units with heat strips when its chilly, propane when its get cold, and a fireplace when you want quiet heating when watching tv. To keep moisture from building up I use electric heat during the day and propane at night.
It's all about the number of floor vents. 4 is not enough, 6 would be much better. 40,000 btu v/s a 35,000 btu would be better. I live in my 5th wheel year round in western North Carolina. AND a better unsulated RV would be key first and foremost.
I actually cringed when I saw the results because I knew some people would question why EVERYTHING I say has a random "37" attached to it But you're welcome to verify with someone like Jayco engineering lol :)
Having had rv's with both types there's no doubt in my mind that floor ducting is way better. With the cabinet ducting the shorter runs got way more air than the longer runs. We would burn our legs sitting in the dinette and get frostbite in the bathroom. And we've always camped with dogs and their hair falling into the vents was never really an issue.
When you said the one heating system was 37% more efficient than the other I thought..... After watching 3737 of your videos on my 37 anniversary. Sitting at my house located at 37, 37th street and being 37 degrees outside and giving it some thought for 37 minutes 37 seconds. I have decided that you Josh have a fascination or maybe even fetish for the number 37 . Have a Jesus filled day everyone Greg in Michigan Hey, I'm the 37th person to post on this video 🤪
Good job as always. One thing you didn't touch on is that floor ducting is more likely to have a duct for the underbelly, and even if it doesn't there will be a certain amount of 'leakage' that will help warm the floor.
I’ve always wondered how the heated underbelly works? They say it works off the furnace but how? Also on my Jayco white hawk I may be wrong but is it possible to have all 3 types of systems? Mine has the direct out of the furnace in the kitchen area, a vent in the cabinet in the bathroom but a floor vent in the bedroom. Am I crazy or is that all three?
Thank you Josh for changing my mind about floor ducted heating. I see now it is good for fulltime travel & in a previous video I had seen you mention filters for those vents.
I would encourage people to read thru these comments. There are a few comments both ways of course, but the vast majority of seasoned RVers continue to prefer floor ducts
Just came across this video and appreciate the great information, Josh!! I am in the beginning stages of looking at travel trailers and this helped so much. Thank you for sharing and I will definitely keep checking out your inventory at Hayletts RV
Josh...... I'm researching options as we contemplate becoming first time RV owners. I just wanted to say thank you for all the straight forward honest advice. We really appreciate your videos. Keep up the good work!
Agreed Josh...the floor duct is just inherently more effective. That's why it's been around for a long time and Most of the big ticket RV's have floor duct heating. bill in Florida
I’ve seen both types Josh, and you always find ways to look at things with an unbiased perception. Floor vents are great, however it’s only as good as the person installing it, same with cabinet ducted. The stuff you showed us for cabinet ducting looks to be nothing more than dryer vent. I personally have cabinet ducting, but the ducting is much different. It’s a smooth bore, it’s flexible, yet more rigid, and definitely not dryer vent. I wish manufacturers would install a return air grill, with filter installed. Thanks for always sharing great info. Merry Christmas 🎄 from NH to you all.
Cause most bathrooms are not that big. That blast of warm air when I get out of the shower feels pretty good! If you dont like it, try the throw rug technique.
In mine they are located where you have to walk, in the middle. More dirt and debris and do not feel good if you walk barefoot. They are secured to the floor so not so easy to clean. Should use drop ins like a home. In my opinion.
My current rig has both. Floor mounted in main living area & bed room, cabinet mounted in the bath. I kinda like this setup. But looking a new rigs, I’ve seen heat ducts in the floor right next to the toilet. Not ideal in my opinion.
It's a great question -- the short answer is generally because "it's a small room and there's only so many places in that smaller floor space to pop a vent into the room. They try to keep it out of the way as much as possible. Sometimes the positioning leaves something to be desired.
Hi Josh, I saw your video on best RV heating systems, Thank you , It educated me on what to do, I didn't realize there was filters you can put on the floor to prevent Debris from falling in. Thx
Great info on furnaces and gas heat. Would be nice to see something similar on electric heating or portable heating (such as the Mr. Buddy or whatever its called). I have a greywolf 23mk which has a built-in fireplace as well have a quick portable space heater (electric). Seems to work very well. Also a note on my Greywolf 23mk (ducted) the outlets are 1 in the living area (right at the door) and a 2nd in the bedroom. None in the bathroom which I'd think is one of the prime areas you'd want some heat! (I haven't had a chance to get in super cold weather w/ it though). Anyway - Also would be nice to get some info on a heat pump in RV. One last note: would be nice to talk about battery capacity for furnaces - most people don't realize the 12v air flow for that furnace takes quite a bit of energy - easily draining a single lead acid battery in the span of a day/night;
As long-winded as I tend to be there's definitely VOLUMES more to be had on the topic. My goal was to help folks understand the basic differences between systems so they could begin zero'ing in on the setup that fit their intentions best
We love to camp in the fall into early winter. We have owned both types. Ducted floor systems in this style camping is far superior, and it does use less LP gas and the RV is warmer from front to back. No cold spots (especially in the bathroom when showering). Also, when we are not using the heat system we place magnetic vent covers over the floor vents. They are about $18.00 for 3 from Amazon and they can be trimmed and come in different colors.
How about RV manufacturers use better quality and more insulation in their builds. Also a better higher quality duct material. May want to check out Imperial RVs. I think they are out of Wisconsin.
So I've had 2 keystone passports. 1 did not have a sealed underbelly. It had cabinet ducted heat with 4 inch flex tubing. The other had a sealed underbelly with floor ducted heat. It also had the 4 inch flex tubing not all mfg use solid ductwork. You could say that when it is quite cold running the ductwork under the trailer could be a negative point since it must travel from furnace to the cold underbelly (past the insulated floor) then back up into the living space. That will take the efficiency down quite a bit. Just information. Keep the videos coming always enjoy them! Cheers
Jam?? Did you reference jam?? "Someone jammed the radar Sir..." "Raspberry...there's only ONE person that would DARE give me the raspberry...LONE STAR!!!"
Josh keep doing what you're doing me and my wife have learned so much about RVs just from your videos alone your number one in my book when we get the gumption to get an RV we're coming right to you I don't know if it'll be from Jersey or North Carolina but we're definitely going to deal with you we've talked to other RV dealers around us and they don't give half the information especially when we're in person talking to them standing in an RV asking them questions..
That's what I thought as well. They both came up with nearly the exact same response independently... and man do those two group LOVE to say how they're better/smarter than one another LOL
@@AnontheGOAT They're completely autonomous from one another however. You see similar things at forest river Cherokee, Rockwood, Wildwood.. all "Forest River" RVs... but they aren't friends and don't help one another. They're competition.
Yes Josh even the Lakota 3 horse I bough from you was short on shelves! Other than the small complaint I had we loved our Lakota trailer and you guys service was outstanding!
Josh good video buddy I think "Floor type" ultimately won!! I personally have had RVs with both types, and floor ones have always been better to keep the floor warm, because, the heat runs under the floor and heats the whole floor up as it is blown along (one thing my buddy Josh forgot to mention) And like he said, if you are worried about dirt, crumbs, and pet hair getting into them, it is just as sample as buying some filters for them - Lance from Canada -thoughts anyone
Many are using campers to avoid motel rooms during the covid. If you are doing that might I suggest, get the better system. Because you may not think you will ever camp in the cold. It only takes one family emergency, to change all that.
@@chuckm8472 You do not mention your location. But if it is somewhere that has a real winter. Might I suggest a couple of extra propane tanks. In the Mountains of TN. We have already have had 2/3 the snow. We has all last year. And the skirting can really help an RV stay warm.
@@chuckm8472 Classy of you, Chuck. It's really the natural order of things. My wife and I actually made plans for our house if one of our parents needs to move in with us. They took care of us. Eventually it'll be our turn!
I have had both types used both with a larger dog in the camper. We use the throw rug technique in the entrance way and the other floor vents just dont seem to collect any dirt. Good comparision!
I have camped for a long time and seen tens of thousands of RVs roll thru in my career. I feel confidently the actual problems with floor vented heating are blown wildly out of proportion by marketing agents whose companies do not use the system. There's most certainly places for both systems out there.
I feel like the video was basically ONLY about venting. There was zero discussion on different furnaces, thermostats or other forms of heat like heat pumps unless the last one is a heat put? I assume if furnace is using floor vents the AC units using different roof vents or sometimes they use the same duct work? It was long winded mostly the obvious about it’s up to us obviously and maybe 1 or 2 pros or cons which I think you definitely stressed that part a couple of times it seemed. Good idea on the Amazon pads. Maybe they’ll be a part 2 and or 3. Because more is better right?
We have a keystone passport with floor ducted heatinf, and it has the flexy style duct under the foor. It was crimped from the factory and they had to fix it. The flexy duct is definitely 'essential effective. Hoping to change it to metal duct work soon.
You left out the heat pump a/c units. I've watched a lot of your videos and not seen an explanation of those yet, though admittedly I haven't searched your catalog of videos for that.
I'd be more interested in a heating system that actually heats the camper. Why is no option for front and rear heaters or zones in trailer. And ducting the basement to keep pipes from freezing is worthless also. the basement is always going to be colder than the living space so the pipes still freeze.
If you saw how RV Production worked, then it may be clearer. Basically they need everything to be as similar as possible for each model rolling along to do what they do -- especially when it comes to a major system like heating & duct work.
Not sure if you have covered it but a lot of us would benefit from a video covering the best way to go about warranty work, take to the dealer you purchased from, mine is 2 hours one way, take to a closer dealer or deal with your dealer and have them send you the parts to replace
It's so situational based upon the item in question... I'm just not sure I could offer anything effective. Sorry to hear you're having challenges. I highly recommend open dialogues with your service team. Pretty much all of them are struggling right now as parts delays have created a backlog of work that is very difficult to manage
I've done some live premiers and whatnot, but one of the challenges of my job is I really have no idea when an RV is landing. And I need to jump on it the moment it does. Scheduling and promoting live time is tricky for us
No I was talking like streams on streamyard OR zoom where folks can come up in the live chat and join you and ask you questions - that would be cool - just a thought - BTW man you are almost at 100K subs wow - great channel buddy - Lance from Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Josh ... Did I miss any comment about the possibility that manufacturer may utilize floor ducting to their advantage for tank heating in an enclosed underbelly. My attention may have drifted due to familiarity with the systems.
There's certainly some benefit to it, but typically floor ducted RVs designed for cold camping already have directly heated bellies so I didn't want to split hairs too severely I felt like I already presented enough benefits and didn't want to see like I was POUNDING the idea any more
If the weight/cost were more in line with towable RV production, then I suspect would see more of it out there beyond the diesel markets. It's definitely a great system
Hate to tell you but Jayco and Keystone are both owned by Thor industries so not really competitors.... Also every trailer I've owned with floor dusted heating used the flexible hose under the trailer vs. rigid rectangular ducting.
I'm well aware of the parent company overseeing both brands. You may not realize how unrelated each brand under that banner really is. They do not communicate/coordinate with one another. They're head to head competitors in every way Similar under the Forest River banner. Wildwood and Cherokee do not "play ball" with one another for instance.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Well, in your video, you stated that 'They're not related at all' which is not factually correct regardless of their working relationship. They are related through ownership, just like my Forest River Rockwood is welcomed at the FROG rally along with every other FR brand as I am sure that the same is true under the THOR umbrella.
@@pauldem544 They're most definitely competitors. That's something folks should really understand. It's not like the different vehicles Ford produces & how they're all working toward the same goal Jayco is an "all or nothing" sort of brand to dealerships. So their product managers all coordinate. Keystone does far less of that. Each brand of keystone might do some inter-chatting, but even then they're still often fighting for the same consumer It sounds weird, but it helps each brand always work to be the best they can
Theoretically yes, but not to a significant degree. Technically speaking the floor-ducting puts more heat near/in the belly depending on where the ducting is run. The ducting will organically spill some heat via diffusion & provide a *slight* radiant benefit
@@JoshtheRVNerd I'm going to challenge you on this tidbit. While the amount of radiant heat may be slight, the fact that it is within the thermal envelope of the entire camper is significant. When the underbelly is enclosed with the tanks protected from contact with un-heated outside air, any heat transmission via any means is more effective than none. In temperatures below a comfortable point, I generally open all cabinets and drawers slightly, more like cracked. Allowing heat to saturate the entire thermal envelope of the unit leads to fewer cold spots or cold 'sink' areas within the unit. I have yet to have a rig totally freeze up with me occupying it in temps to -20F. I've had the heated hoses fail, and froze to the connection point. I've had a fitting below the floor freeze because I'd forgotten to crack the door on the cabinet above floor level, I chalk that up as self-inflicted. Even a fair weather rig can benefit from adequate heat saturation with either a underfloor or cabinet ducted heat system with a bit of forethought and leaving those cabinet doors and drawers cracked. Less common due to price point is the Espbar diesel heaters which are single point ducted or ductless heaters. These units are great little backup or primary heaters for a boondocking scenario, where A/C power or propane may not be convenient. I have installed one in several of my rigs over the years just as another means to keep warm. Great job explaining without negativity!
@@JoshtheRVNerdMy 4 season Canadian made class C has enclosed tanks and has ducts running down to them from the furnace that keeps them warm even in -20°Celcius
Hi there, love all your videos. Been hooked on your videos for about a year now. We are full time RVers. I have a few really IMPORTANT questions. What internet workings and gadgets would YOU use for the best internet possible and how much a month? Also can't figure out if FURION router would be with it weight in toilet paper? Lol Please be honest. We trust you and hope to buy a new RV soon through you or who you recommend.
I do not have a good answer for that as I tend to have a VERY basic style of camping (entry level no-slide bunkhouse). We don't bring a TV and our phones are the only "gadgets" we use for rainy day entertainment Even on rainy days we tend to try to find something like a museum or indoor display to explore in the local area. SOME folks cite fine function off just a cell phone used in hotspot mode But I'm hearing more and more about "Technomadia" as a company that specifically specializes in mobile data solutions like you're seeking. Might be worth a look!
At this point I have had 2 with floor duct heating and 1 non ducted. My 1st travel trailer was a 2000 Forest River Cherokee. It was well used when I got it. Lots of dust and dirt in the ducts and most of the vents was broken. I replaced the vents very easily. My 2nd travel trailer was a 2019 Gulfstream Ameri-lite with non ducted. Now I live in Missouri and like to camp late into October. The last trip I took with it I woke up to it being 28 degrees outside. The furnace had kept it comfortable but the floor was freezing cold except for right in front of the furnace. That plus the bedroom felt very small was my reasoning for wanting to find a different camper after a year and a half of owning it. My current unit is a 2021 KZ Sportsman 5th wheel with the floor ducting and heated underbelly. My last trip of this year was mid October and that camper felt wonderful. I can't comment about the cabinet ducting since I have never had it. But in my opinion I would never get one without the floor ducting again.
If you're at a campground and have "free" shore power a couple of electric space heaters are the way to go. That said, the direct vent furnace on our little Jayco pop-up can turn it into a sweat box, and we're in a glorified tent. Unless you're living full time in an RV I think the cabinet ducted heating would be sufficient.
Only hiccup there is a model with a heated belly - you can trick the thermostat into stopping the furnace via those space heaters which limits belly heating But overall? Yeah -- spot on. That's why I like elec "Fireplaces"
6:12 like the point you made in comparing traditional constructed RV outside side walls #corrugated 🆚 laminated sidewalls #smooth = as far as wind flow (aerodynamics & fuel efficiency) & cleaning (more surface area)‼️👍🏽👍🏽
Personally I like the floor ducted heat but a friend of mine has two small pets that love them for being a built in latrine. He had to line the inside with puppy pads to help with cleaning. So with no pets Floor units are awesome, well except for the one in the restroom that my toe always somehow comes into a losing argument with but the cover works well for 98% of the year. Yeah, in Central AZ we actually have a couple of days and nights in the chill zone (under 50 F).
Great informative video as always. As a stationary full-timer in Colorado in a Grand Design Solitude 380FL (41-foot), we have full cabinet ducting. Pretty efficient & even heating, but of course that all depends on the amount of ducts that are in the rig. We have 6 ducts inside (pretty evenly spaced) & 2 in underneath storage. Of course, the longer runs to the back of the rig (30+ feet) are way less efficient, especially if it is split off to a couple ducts. Ended up re-arranging a couple ducts to have straight airflow to the rear vents & made a world of difference - more even distribution & uses the furnace less. Sitting here at 20 degrees as we speak, so putting that furnace to use :)
What I shared there I have seen in more than one brand. Nothing in the video is intended to be specifically directed one way or the other. I would encourage any prospective buyer to investigate systems like this if that's an important factor in their buying decision
@@JoshtheRVNerd I’m curious...is there a reason why y’all don’t carry Grand Design? Wasn’t sure if it was an industry insider reason or if you don’t like something about them. I love some of their floor plans, but it’s hard to hear the true pros and cons from other dealership reviewers.
Hello Josh, love the videos. There is one heating system you didn’t cover and that’s the Alde Heating System. I know campers come with Alde and I think I heard that it’s possible to add the Alde System aftermarket to a RV.
There's a few things I didn't cover. That's certainly one of them. I know my videos already tend to run long. My goal with this one was to help someone who wasn't aware of the inherent differences between the most common system so we could help steer them in the right direction from the start. The way I tend to blather on a "fully encompassing video" would likely rival Game of Thrones in length LOL
I have a 2020 keystone raptor. Heat in the bedroom, bathroom and living/kitchen area is awesome,but the garage is just to far a run for the furnace heat. Hoping that gets improved in the future. Great video Josh.
Great video! We have both in our fifth wheel... Mostly floor, but the kitchen and bunk room have cabinet... It works well, we are new full timers and have used the heat a significant amount of time so far...
Things like aqua heat are amazing, but yeah -- due to the weight and cost they're almost never found in a towable RV. My goal was to help assist and direct the lion's share of first/second time buyers who aren't familiar with some of these things as they find their first/next RV
Another great video Josh. I totally agree with you on the points you raise in the video. I have had both systems and I prefer floor ducted heating systems. I like your idea about the runners/area rugs and I will try that next camping season. Have a Merry Christmas!
I have a Geo Pro 19FBS and I have a cabinet ducted heat system but I don’t think I’m losing any storage because there are 2 vents and one comes out of the under bed area next to the draw and the other comes from under the sink area. I’m glad I don’t have floor ducked heating because I would be stepping on it all the time even though it’s better.
Those are basically direct heat systems (the third one shown) since the camper is so small. Rockwood put a few quick/short runs in to help distribute heat differently Rockwood has this magically way of doing things in a fantastic fashion pretty much every time. You did REALLY well choosing rockwood
Hey Josh, good video. I have a question...on floor duct ,can you use steel screen instead of the filter you mentioned. Also is there a problem swapping out the floor vent cover with a decorative stainless steel flat plate. It would be stronger and flatter, I think?
As someone who would never be crazy enough to go camping up north during cold weather, I would never own an RV with the heat ducts on the floor. I know they provide more heat, but being in South FL I can count on one hand the times I would need it.
And that's EXACTLY why I put this video out there -- helping folks find the RV with the system that best fits their camping lifestyle. Thx for tuning in, Sam :)
What's funny is when I attend RV training sessions at factories where multiple dealers are all invited together I'll get recognized. It's a mixture of people excited to meet me and glares from people that hate hearing about me I think LOl
I really enjoyed your attitude and jokes in this video! After watching hundreds of RV videos it's nice to have someone take it a little less seriously while still providing great info!
Awesome! Thank you for saying that. I try to remember camping is supposed to be a little fun. I've also done around 6,000 of these now and if I don't keep things light then I start to go crazy
I think the single outlet more common in small campers would have the air moved for individual comfort with just a small floor fan set up on a counter.
Just wondering if you are able to use both I don't mind the in floor but I don't like it when in the bathroom due to extra water possibly spilling so I'd like the cabinet there thanks again
I get that. Bathrooms are usually a small enough space where the airflow-loss doesn't really become a significant factor. In a big living room it can be noticed
*I MISSPOKE AT **4:24**:* Meant to say *"Cabinet ducted heating does not work as well."* Sorry about that
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@@SamuelJMartinIII lol -- I did, then a viewer left great feedback and I pinned that. Forgot! :)
I just replayed that and decided to read through the comments first before I commented. Low and behold, you already addressed it.
Phew! I was ready to fight.
@@MrNicholg lol
Residential Heating and Air expert here with almost 30 certifications in the US, DO NOT USE THOSE LITTLE INDIVIDUAL VENT FILTERS! It sounds like a neat and convinient idea but they can reduce airflow drastically and cause the pressure in the ducting to get really high causing damage to the furnace itself. I don't know about you but I'd rather vacuum out a vent then replace a furnace.
Appreciate that feedback. I'll have to look into that
I really appreciate these types of videos. You are genuinely earning my future business. I'm not ready to upgrade yet, but I already know who I'm calling when I'm ready.
I appreciate that!
I don’t even have to watch the video. I know what you’re gonna say they’re all the best for their own reasons 😂
It's true.
I totally Agree!!!
I appreciate the humor and the deep dive, with 💘
I would have gone with does it keep you warm? Then it's the best. :-)
I laughed 🤣so hard when I opened it up and read that first line as I was all prepared to start typing the same thing. Never gonna do this video and actually say one is the best cause he sells them both. Love you and your videos but it's true.
As a mechanical engineer, you were speaking my language when you said fluid dynamics lol. That’s the stuff you don’t hear from other sales guys, great job/ content as always
What you’re saying is true. I did HVAC design for manufacturing facilities and labs my first job out of college. When we put systems in our models, you lose efficiency with every bend, curve, and pretty much every non smooth surface the ducts had. We could build systems that had ultra high efficiency and output but it comes at a cost. We had to balance $$$ vs usage, same here.
TY for the supporting feedback, Dorian. Sometimes I think people wonder if I just make this stuff up lol
That's why I try to provide +/- both ways -- so they can see I am being fair.
Thank you Josh. And when we need to replace our RV, we will be calling Haylett RV.
If you camp with full hook-ups, which I do 99.9% of the time, then use 2 or 3 small electric heaters. On a really cold night, you can supplement the electric heaters with your furnace, and still save a lot on propane. I currently have cabinet heat outlets, and have been going on 5 years without refilling my propane tanks.
I have had both systems in trailers and motorhomes. Cabinet heating in my opinion, is noisy, definitely uses more propane, you get uneven heating, hot and cold areas. Can't adjust more or less air to certain areas. Loss of cabinet space. I feel cabinet heating is ok for small campers that are more sold at a price point. I personally dont see a disadvantage to floor heating, steping on a vet has never hurt my feet or broke a vent. I'm glad you brought up the filters for them although I have never had the need to use them even with having dogs in my camper. You can buy diverter to direct more or less air where needed. I'm lucky, my trailer has 2 AC units with heat strips when its chilly, propane when its get cold, and a fireplace when you want quiet heating when watching tv. To keep moisture from building up I use electric heat during the day and propane at night.
Appreciate the feedback from an experienced user!
Excellent reply!
Very good delivery and information. Two 👍 👍s up from this old camper. 😋
Ty Clyde!!
It's all about the number of floor vents. 4 is not enough, 6 would be much better. 40,000 btu v/s a 35,000 btu would be better. I live in my 5th wheel year round in western
North Carolina. AND a better unsulated RV would be key first and foremost.
4:38 I thought you said 37% less efficient because it was a Nerdism #37‼️😉🙃
I actually cringed when I saw the results because I knew some people would question why EVERYTHING I say has a random "37" attached to it
But you're welcome to verify with someone like Jayco engineering lol :)
I would have said "it's more than 36% but less than 38%" LOL!!!
Having had rv's with both types there's no doubt in my mind that floor ducting is way better. With the cabinet ducting the shorter runs got way more air than the longer runs. We would burn our legs sitting in the dinette and get frostbite in the bathroom. And we've always camped with dogs and their hair falling into the vents was never really an issue.
Love the actual owner/user feedback. TY for sharing
I love the extra space floor vent worth it when cold use my camper deer hunting it's great
Once again you have hot a home run. Great information. Thank you
Man Wayne.. I appreciate that. Kind words really do mean a lot
4:23 Wait❗️I thought Cabinet Ducted didn’t work as well as Floor Ducted⁉️🤔💭🧐
Mis-spoke :(
Floor ducting hell helps keep tanks and basement storage warm
When you said the one heating system was 37% more efficient than the other I thought.....
After watching 3737 of your videos on my 37 anniversary. Sitting at my house located at 37, 37th street and being 37 degrees outside and giving it some thought for 37 minutes 37 seconds.
I have decided that you Josh have a fascination or maybe even fetish for the number 37 .
Have a Jesus filled day everyone
Greg in Michigan
Hey, I'm the 37th person to post on this video 🤪
Oh I forgot, how old are you Josh? 37?
I actually cringed when I saw that 37% number due to how I always throw random 37's into everything. lol
I was 37... until recently! :)
Good job as always. One thing you didn't touch on is that floor ducting is more likely to have a duct for the underbelly, and even if it doesn't there will be a certain amount of 'leakage' that will help warm the floor.
Ty for the extra tidbit :)
Super informative, as always.
Another bit of nerdism: laminar flow vs vortex flow through the air ducts....
Like my hairline -- it's more laminar than turbulent :)
@@JoshtheRVNerd You're the funniest and most honest youtube personality I know... Thumbs up to you Josh...
I’ve always wondered how the heated underbelly works? They say it works off the furnace but how? Also on my Jayco white hawk I may be wrong but is it possible to have all 3 types of systems? Mine has the direct out of the furnace in the kitchen area, a vent in the cabinet in the bathroom but a floor vent in the bedroom. Am I crazy or is that all three?
Most brands it's just one of those flex-hoses off the back of the furnace that simply exhausts into the underbelly
Thank you Josh for changing my mind about floor ducted heating. I see now it is good for fulltime travel & in a previous video I had seen you mention filters for those vents.
I would encourage people to read thru these comments. There are a few comments both ways of course, but the vast majority of seasoned RVers continue to prefer floor ducts
Just came across this video and appreciate the great information, Josh!! I am in the beginning stages of looking at travel trailers and this helped so much. Thank you for sharing and I will definitely keep checking out your inventory at Hayletts RV
Glad it was helpful!
Plenty more available here for you
What about a diesel heater conversion? Thats something as a boondocker almost entirely all time, it interests me.
I've not seen that really available in the mainstream market. So it's just not something I can provide educated feedback for
The best for us has been a combination of shore power and a tiny little space heater.
A little ceramic heater can get some serious work done
@@JoshtheRVNerd they’re simply uh-mazin.
Josh...... I'm researching options as we contemplate becoming first time RV owners. I just wanted to say thank you for all the straight forward honest advice. We really appreciate your videos. Keep up the good work!
Our pleasure, Robert! The education only costs a little of your time and the entertainment is free of charge lol
Agreed Josh...the floor duct is just inherently more effective. That's why it's been around for a long time and Most of the big ticket RV's have floor duct heating. bill in Florida
Tyyyyy
“If that’s not your jelly and you don’t jam that way...” That’s going in the rotation next to “jammed up jelly tight.”
Thanks Josh!
The information costs a few minutes of your time
But the entertainment is free of charge ;)
I’ve seen both types Josh, and you always find ways to look at things with an unbiased perception. Floor vents are great, however it’s only as good as the person installing it, same with cabinet ducted. The stuff you showed us for cabinet ducting looks to be nothing more than dryer vent. I personally have cabinet ducting, but the ducting is much different. It’s a smooth bore, it’s flexible, yet more rigid, and definitely not dryer vent. I wish manufacturers would install a return air grill, with filter installed. Thanks for always sharing great info. Merry Christmas 🎄 from NH to you all.
TY Donnie -- appreciate the logic laden response!
Ok, on floor ducted heat, why do so many manufactures have to put a heat duct in close proximity to a toilet?
Cause most bathrooms are not that big. That blast of warm air when I get out of the shower feels pretty good! If you dont like it, try the throw rug technique.
In mine they are located where you have to walk, in the middle. More dirt and debris and do not feel good if you walk barefoot. They are secured to the floor so not so easy to clean. Should use drop ins like a home. In my opinion.
My current rig has both. Floor mounted in main living area & bed room, cabinet mounted in the bath. I kinda like this setup. But looking a new rigs, I’ve seen heat ducts in the floor right next to the toilet. Not ideal in my opinion.
It's a great question -- the short answer is generally because "it's a small room and there's only so many places in that smaller floor space to pop a vent into the room. They try to keep it out of the way as much as possible. Sometimes the positioning leaves something to be desired.
Hi Josh, I saw your video on best RV heating systems, Thank you , It educated me on what to do, I didn't realize there was filters you can put on the floor to prevent Debris from falling in. Thx
Great info on furnaces and gas heat. Would be nice to see something similar on electric heating or portable heating (such as the Mr. Buddy or whatever its called). I have a greywolf 23mk which has a built-in fireplace as well have a quick portable space heater (electric). Seems to work very well. Also a note on my Greywolf 23mk (ducted) the outlets are 1 in the living area (right at the door) and a 2nd in the bedroom. None in the bathroom which I'd think is one of the prime areas you'd want some heat! (I haven't had a chance to get in super cold weather w/ it though). Anyway - Also would be nice to get some info on a heat pump in RV. One last note: would be nice to talk about battery capacity for furnaces - most people don't realize the 12v air flow for that furnace takes quite a bit of energy - easily draining a single lead acid battery in the span of a day/night;
As long-winded as I tend to be there's definitely VOLUMES more to be had on the topic. My goal was to help folks understand the basic differences between systems so they could begin zero'ing in on the setup that fit their intentions best
I just do not like ducts in the floor.
Now radiant heating - that is awesome!
If the weight/cost were more in line with towable RV production, then I suspect would see more of it out there beyond the diesel markets
Good job god bless
Ty
We love to camp in the fall into early winter. We have owned both types. Ducted floor systems in this style camping is far superior, and it does use less LP gas and the RV is warmer from front to back. No cold spots (especially in the bathroom when showering). Also, when we are not using the heat system we place magnetic vent covers over the floor vents. They are about $18.00 for 3 from Amazon and they can be trimmed and come in different colors.
TY for providing that real-owner feedback Randy!!
This is why really older homes have heat registers ( cast iron ) in the floor, because insulation wasn't the best.
You are the Master , thank you very much.
Very kind of you. TY Ron! :)
Josh, you come across fair all the time.
Ty. I try
How about RV manufacturers use better quality and more insulation in their builds. Also a better higher quality duct material. May want to check out Imperial RVs. I think they are out of Wisconsin.
So I've had 2 keystone passports. 1 did not have a sealed underbelly. It had cabinet ducted heat with 4 inch flex tubing.
The other had a sealed underbelly with floor ducted heat. It also had the 4 inch flex tubing not all mfg use solid ductwork.
You could say that when it is quite cold running the ductwork under the trailer could be a negative point since it must travel from furnace to the cold underbelly (past the insulated floor) then back up into the living space. That will take the efficiency down quite a bit. Just information.
Keep the videos coming always enjoy them! Cheers
Excellent discussion. I now know which is best for me. It is floor ducted for me all the way unless it is not.
Glad it was helpful!!
Just remember Josh. You can't set fire to the sun at night. LOL
Moonlight is just sunlight reflecting off the moon. Vampires should be destroyed by Moonlight.
Sorry.. what were we talking about?
@@JoshtheRVNerd LOL
Jam?? Did you reference jam??
"Someone jammed the radar Sir..."
"Raspberry...there's only ONE person that would DARE give me the raspberry...LONE STAR!!!"
Yogurt was Druish you know
@@JoshtheRVNerd Epic lol!!
Josh keep doing what you're doing me and my wife have learned so much about RVs just from your videos alone your number one in my book when we get the gumption to get an RV we're coming right to you I don't know if it'll be from Jersey or North Carolina but we're definitely going to deal with you we've talked to other RV dealers around us and they don't give half the information especially when we're in person talking to them standing in an RV asking them questions..
It took over 3 minutes of rambling before you even started explaining the 2 heating systems
Very good informative video. That cabinet heating is 37% less effective from both Jayco and Keystone agree on is huge. Thanks for sharing.
That's what I thought as well. They both came up with nearly the exact same response independently... and man do those two group LOVE to say how they're better/smarter than one another LOL
@@JoshtheRVNerd what’s even more funny is that they really aren’t separate. Both owned by Thor 😂
@@AnontheGOAT They're completely autonomous from one another however.
You see similar things at forest river
Cherokee, Rockwood, Wildwood.. all "Forest River" RVs... but they aren't friends and don't help one another. They're competition.
Is there a non ducted cabinet furnace that has a low fan speed that won't wake everyone up in the middle of the night?
Yes Josh even the Lakota 3 horse I bough from you was short on shelves! Other than the small complaint I had we loved our Lakota trailer and you guys service was outstanding!
TY George
Josh good video buddy
I think "Floor type" ultimately won!!
I personally have had RVs with both types, and floor ones have always been better to keep the floor warm, because, the heat runs under the floor and heats the whole floor up as it is blown along (one thing my buddy Josh forgot to mention)
And like he said, if you are worried about dirt, crumbs, and pet hair getting into them, it is just as sample as buying some filters for them - Lance from Canada -thoughts anyone
Appreciate the input. Keeping the floor warm is super nice and something I wish I HAD mentioned. TY for chiming in! :)
@@JoshtheRVNerd no problem glad to help out
We have both in our 5th wheel 😮
Not uncommon to see a change in upper/lower decks or some rooms
Many are using campers to avoid motel rooms during the covid. If you are doing that might I suggest, get the better system. Because you may not think you will ever camp in the cold. It only takes one family emergency, to change all that.
While that's true... man does it make my stomach sink even thinking about it
I'm living in mine right now to take care of my parents.
@@chuckm8472 You do not mention your location. But if it is somewhere that has a real winter. Might I suggest a couple of extra propane tanks. In the Mountains of TN. We have already have had 2/3 the snow. We has all last year. And the skirting can really help an RV stay warm.
@@chuckm8472 Classy of you, Chuck. It's really the natural order of things. My wife and I actually made plans for our house if one of our parents needs to move in with us.
They took care of us. Eventually it'll be our turn!
More heat and less snow!
It hit 75 here locally in Coldwater, MI at my home store today! I'm ALL for that kind of weather! :)
In a fifth wheel Cougar 290RLS, can you use the furnace with the RV parked, and the slides retracted?
Thank you for your time!
Apologies I do not have an answer on that from the factory
Thank you for taking the time to elaborate on this topic. Very informative.
Thx for taking the time, Joy :)
I have had both types used both with a larger dog in the camper. We use the throw rug technique in the entrance way and the other floor vents just dont seem to collect any dirt. Good comparision!
I have camped for a long time and seen tens of thousands of RVs roll thru in my career. I feel confidently the actual problems with floor vented heating are blown wildly out of proportion by marketing agents whose companies do not use the system.
There's most certainly places for both systems out there.
Professor Josh does it again!
"Professor" lol
My "Name" just keeping getting longer
Professor Uncle Josh Winters McGillicutty the RV Nerd Esquire Junior Esquire the Second"
I feel like the video was basically ONLY about venting. There was zero discussion on different furnaces, thermostats or other forms of heat like heat pumps unless the last one is a heat put? I assume if furnace is using floor vents the AC units using different roof vents or sometimes they use the same duct work? It was long winded mostly the obvious about it’s up to us obviously and maybe 1 or 2 pros or cons which I think you definitely stressed that part a couple of times it seemed. Good idea on the Amazon pads. Maybe they’ll be a part 2 and or 3. Because more is better right?
lol -- fair. I'll see what I can work up in the future. Appreciate the feedback
Would you list campers with floor ducted heating. Which campers are good for cold weather? Or a link to find.
There are a handful, but proven cold campers include white hawk, cougar, eagle, north point, Montana, pinnacle among others
We have a keystone passport with floor ducted heatinf, and it has the flexy style duct under the foor. It was crimped from the factory and they had to fix it. The flexy duct is definitely 'essential effective. Hoping to change it to metal duct work soon.
I'd be interested to see how that comes out
You left out the heat pump a/c units. I've watched a lot of your videos and not seen an explanation of those yet, though admittedly I haven't searched your catalog of videos for that.
I don’t have one specifically and really should make one on a heat pump vs heat strip
I'd be more interested in a heating system that actually heats the camper. Why is no option for front and rear heaters or zones in trailer. And ducting the basement to keep pipes from freezing is worthless also. the basement is always going to be colder than the living space so the pipes still freeze.
If you saw how RV Production worked, then it may be clearer. Basically they need everything to be as similar as possible for each model rolling along to do what they do -- especially when it comes to a major system like heating & duct work.
Not sure if you have covered it but a lot of us would benefit from a video covering the best way to go about warranty work, take to the dealer you purchased from, mine is 2 hours one way, take to a closer dealer or deal with your dealer and have them send you the parts to replace
It's so situational based upon the item in question... I'm just not sure I could offer anything effective.
Sorry to hear you're having challenges. I highly recommend open dialogues with your service team. Pretty much all of them are struggling right now as parts delays have created a backlog of work that is very difficult to manage
Siince a/c are ducted these days, why almost no company use heat pump instead of regular a/c unit?
Likely consumer confidence. A/C heat pumps are also not typically as powerful as a traditional furnace & not typically boondock friendly
There is a lot of wasted space in RV cabinet s! My over head galley cabinets are 18 inches tall and came with no shelves.
Depends on the brand. Some like Jayco and wildwood are great for adding shelving there
But I see what you’re saying in rvs all the time
Also I would assume that heating the underbelly is easier with floor ducted heating.
While not necessarily a guarantee there's general some correlation there
Very informative. As always. Thank You again.
Very welcome! Appreciate you tuning in!
OK BIG BIG QUESTION HERE JOSH - READY ? WILL YOU EVER GO LIVE??????????? please man -would be so cool to interact with YOU that way? comments anyone ?
I've done some live premiers and whatnot, but one of the challenges of my job is I really have no idea when an RV is landing. And I need to jump on it the moment it does. Scheduling and promoting live time is tricky for us
No I was talking like streams on streamyard OR zoom where folks can come up in the live chat and join you and ask you questions - that would be cool - just a thought - BTW man you are almost at 100K subs wow - great channel buddy - Lance from Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Always proving quality information! 👍😀
I try! Thx for joining us again!
what about an A/C with a heat pump? Is that any more/less efficient?
Less. Heat rises. Starting with the heat in the ceiling makes it tougher to heat evenly.
They’re not worthless, but not the most effective
Came for the info, stayed for the dad jokes.
And I thank ya for it
Josh ... Did I miss any comment about the possibility that manufacturer may utilize floor ducting to their advantage for tank heating in an enclosed underbelly. My attention may have drifted due to familiarity with the systems.
There's certainly some benefit to it, but typically floor ducted RVs designed for cold camping already have directly heated bellies so I didn't want to split hairs too severely
I felt like I already presented enough benefits and didn't want to see like I was POUNDING the idea any more
@@JoshtheRVNerd 👍
For Pete's sake somebody needs to use radiant floor heat!
If the weight/cost were more in line with towable RV production, then I suspect would see more of it out there beyond the diesel markets. It's definitely a great system
Thanks Josh, great information!
Glad it was helpful buddy
Filter Pad would restrict the air flow from first install. The more dirt, the more it will be restricted.
Hate to tell you but Jayco and Keystone are both owned by Thor industries so not really competitors.... Also every trailer I've owned with floor dusted heating used the flexible hose under the trailer vs. rigid rectangular ducting.
I'm well aware of the parent company overseeing both brands. You may not realize how unrelated each brand under that banner really is. They do not communicate/coordinate with one another. They're head to head competitors in every way
Similar under the Forest River banner. Wildwood and Cherokee do not "play ball" with one another for instance.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Well, in your video, you stated that 'They're not related at all' which is not factually correct regardless of their working relationship. They are related through ownership, just like my Forest River Rockwood is welcomed at the FROG rally along with every other FR brand as I am sure that the same is true under the THOR umbrella.
@@pauldem544 They're most definitely competitors. That's something folks should really understand. It's not like the different vehicles Ford produces & how they're all working toward the same goal
Jayco is an "all or nothing" sort of brand to dealerships. So their product managers all coordinate.
Keystone does far less of that. Each brand of keystone might do some inter-chatting, but even then they're still often fighting for the same consumer
It sounds weird, but it helps each brand always work to be the best they can
Great points.....
Do either of the two systems of heating have any impact on the effectiveness of heating the underbelly of the rv where the tanks are located?
Theoretically yes, but not to a significant degree. Technically speaking the floor-ducting puts more heat near/in the belly depending on where the ducting is run. The ducting will organically spill some heat via diffusion & provide a *slight* radiant benefit
@@JoshtheRVNerd I'm going to challenge you on this tidbit. While the amount of radiant heat may be slight, the fact that it is within the thermal envelope of the entire camper is significant. When the underbelly is enclosed with the tanks protected from contact with un-heated outside air, any heat transmission via any means is more effective than none. In temperatures below a comfortable point, I generally open all cabinets and drawers slightly, more like cracked. Allowing heat to saturate the entire thermal envelope of the unit leads to fewer cold spots or cold 'sink' areas within the unit. I have yet to have a rig totally freeze up with me occupying it in temps to -20F. I've had the heated hoses fail, and froze to the connection point. I've had a fitting below the floor freeze because I'd forgotten to crack the door on the cabinet above floor level, I chalk that up as self-inflicted.
Even a fair weather rig can benefit from adequate heat saturation with either a underfloor or cabinet ducted heat system with a bit of forethought and leaving those cabinet doors and drawers cracked.
Less common due to price point is the Espbar diesel heaters which are single point ducted or ductless heaters. These units are great little backup or primary heaters for a boondocking scenario, where A/C power or propane may not be convenient. I have installed one in several of my rigs over the years just as another means to keep warm.
Great job explaining without negativity!
@@brownsbloomtenders yes keeping the drawers and cabinet doors cracked open to allow airflow is a great tip!!
@@JoshtheRVNerdMy 4 season Canadian made class C has enclosed tanks and has ducts running down to them from the furnace that keeps them warm even in -20°Celcius
Hi there, love all your videos. Been hooked on your videos for about a year now. We are full time RVers. I have a few really IMPORTANT questions. What internet workings and gadgets would YOU use for the best internet possible and how much a month? Also can't figure out if FURION router would be with it weight in toilet paper? Lol Please be honest. We trust you and hope to buy a new RV soon through you or who you recommend.
I do not have a good answer for that as I tend to have a VERY basic style of camping (entry level no-slide bunkhouse). We don't bring a TV and our phones are the only "gadgets" we use for rainy day entertainment
Even on rainy days we tend to try to find something like a museum or indoor display to explore in the local area.
SOME folks cite fine function off just a cell phone used in hotspot mode
But I'm hearing more and more about "Technomadia" as a company that specifically specializes in mobile data solutions like you're seeking. Might be worth a look!
At this point I have had 2 with floor duct heating and 1 non ducted. My 1st travel trailer was a 2000 Forest River Cherokee. It was well used when I got it. Lots of dust and dirt in the ducts and most of the vents was broken. I replaced the vents very easily. My 2nd travel trailer was a 2019 Gulfstream Ameri-lite with non ducted. Now I live in Missouri and like to camp late into October. The last trip I took with it I woke up to it being 28 degrees outside. The furnace had kept it comfortable but the floor was freezing cold except for right in front of the furnace. That plus the bedroom felt very small was my reasoning for wanting to find a different camper after a year and a half of owning it. My current unit is a 2021 KZ Sportsman 5th wheel with the floor ducting and heated underbelly. My last trip of this year was mid October and that camper felt wonderful. I can't comment about the cabinet ducting since I have never had it. But in my opinion I would never get one without the floor ducting again.
Thx for sharing! Actual user experience is always the best!
If you're at a campground and have "free" shore power a couple of electric space heaters are the way to go. That said, the direct vent furnace on our little Jayco pop-up can turn it into a sweat box, and we're in a glorified tent. Unless you're living full time in an RV I think the cabinet ducted heating would be sufficient.
Only hiccup there is a model with a heated belly - you can trick the thermostat into stopping the furnace via those space heaters which limits belly heating
But overall? Yeah -- spot on. That's why I like elec "Fireplaces"
6:12 like the point you made in comparing traditional constructed RV outside side walls #corrugated 🆚 laminated sidewalls #smooth = as far as wind flow (aerodynamics & fuel efficiency) & cleaning (more surface area)‼️👍🏽👍🏽
Drawing parallels to things with which folks are already familiar always feels right to me
Personally I like the floor ducted heat but a friend of mine has two small pets that love them for being a built in latrine. He had to line the inside with puppy pads to help with cleaning. So with no pets Floor units are awesome, well except for the one in the restroom that my toe always somehow comes into a losing argument with but the cover works well for 98% of the year. Yeah, in Central AZ we actually have a couple of days and nights in the chill zone (under 50 F).
Thanks for sharing!
Great informative video as always. As a stationary full-timer in Colorado in a Grand Design Solitude 380FL (41-foot), we have full cabinet ducting. Pretty efficient & even heating, but of course that all depends on the amount of ducts that are in the rig. We have 6 ducts inside (pretty evenly spaced) & 2 in underneath storage. Of course, the longer runs to the back of the rig (30+ feet) are way less efficient, especially if it is split off to a couple ducts. Ended up re-arranging a couple ducts to have straight airflow to the rear vents & made a world of difference - more even distribution & uses the furnace less. Sitting here at 20 degrees as we speak, so putting that furnace to use :)
Thx for sharing, Mike :)
At 11:35 are you talking about Grand Design?
Not trying to disparage their brand, in fact the opposite. I'm taking a hard look at them and wondering why you don't sell them.
What I shared there I have seen in more than one brand. Nothing in the video is intended to be specifically directed one way or the other. I would encourage any prospective buyer to investigate systems like this if that's an important factor in their buying decision
@@JoshtheRVNerd I’m curious...is there a reason why y’all don’t carry Grand Design? Wasn’t sure if it was an industry insider reason or if you don’t like something about them. I love some of their floor plans, but it’s hard to hear the true pros and cons from other dealership reviewers.
Hello Josh, love the videos. There is one heating system you didn’t cover and that’s the Alde Heating System. I know campers come with Alde and I think I heard that it’s possible to add the Alde System aftermarket to a RV.
There's a few things I didn't cover. That's certainly one of them. I know my videos already tend to run long. My goal with this one was to help someone who wasn't aware of the inherent differences between the most common system so we could help steer them in the right direction from the start.
The way I tend to blather on a "fully encompassing video" would likely rival Game of Thrones in length LOL
I have a 2020 keystone raptor. Heat in the bedroom, bathroom and living/kitchen area is awesome,but the garage is just to far a run for the furnace heat. Hoping that gets improved in the future. Great video Josh.
Garages are harder as they just can't have the heat ducting like the rest of the RV. Not a totally uncommon problem in haulers
Great video! We have both in our fifth wheel... Mostly floor, but the kitchen and bunk room have cabinet... It works well, we are new full timers and have used the heat a significant amount of time so far...
I think a hybrid-heating system like that is actually a great idea
No discussion of radiant heat as in Class A motor coaches. Are there NO fifth wheels and campers with radiant heat? Thanks for your channel.
Things like aqua heat are amazing, but yeah -- due to the weight and cost they're almost never found in a towable RV. My goal was to help assist and direct the lion's share of first/second time buyers who aren't familiar with some of these things as they find their first/next RV
Another great video Josh. I totally agree with you on the points you raise in the video. I have had both systems and I prefer floor ducted heating systems. I like your idea about the runners/area rugs and I will try that next camping season. Have a Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas to you and yours!! Stay safe this season
I have a Geo Pro 19FBS and I have a cabinet ducted heat system but I don’t think I’m losing any storage because there are 2 vents and one comes out of the under bed area next to the draw and the other comes from under the sink area. I’m glad I don’t have floor ducked heating because I would be stepping on it all the time even though it’s better.
Those are basically direct heat systems (the third one shown) since the camper is so small. Rockwood put a few quick/short runs in to help distribute heat differently
Rockwood has this magically way of doing things in a fantastic fashion pretty much every time. You did REALLY well choosing rockwood
Hey Josh, good video. I have a question...on floor duct ,can you use steel screen instead of the filter you mentioned. Also is there a problem swapping out the floor vent cover with a decorative stainless steel flat plate. It would be stronger and flatter, I think?
I don't see issues with either really
As someone who would never be crazy enough to go camping up north during cold weather, I would never own an RV with the heat ducts on the floor. I know they provide more heat, but being in South FL I can count on one hand the times I would need it.
And that's EXACTLY why I put this video out there -- helping folks find the RV with the system that best fits their camping lifestyle. Thx for tuning in, Sam :)
So we just purchased a 2015 Bullet and I asked the salesman if he knows who you are....he does now!!
What's funny is when I attend RV training sessions at factories where multiple dealers are all invited together I'll get recognized. It's a mixture of people excited to meet me and glares from people that hate hearing about me I think LOl
I really enjoyed your attitude and jokes in this video! After watching hundreds of RV videos it's nice to have someone take it a little less seriously while still providing great info!
Awesome! Thank you for saying that. I try to remember camping is supposed to be a little fun. I've also done around 6,000 of these now and if I don't keep things light then I start to go crazy
I think the single outlet more common in small campers would have the air moved for individual comfort with just a small floor fan set up on a counter.
Much less an issue in small campers. It's those big ones where it really matters
Just wondering if you are able to use both I don't mind the in floor but I don't like it when in the bathroom due to extra water possibly spilling so I'd like the cabinet there thanks again
I get that. Bathrooms are usually a small enough space where the airflow-loss doesn't really become a significant factor. In a big living room it can be noticed
More better has to got to be the best!
Much more bester
My Fuzion has both floor and cabinet ducted heat. It works well.
Combo heating is a smart setup -- garages really cannot utilize floor vented heating
does it even heat the floor
wtf
Sorry -- could you clarify Joe? There's several systems discussed in this video and I'm not sure to which you're referring
Camco Wave heater is the best bang for the buck, no electricity needed and sips propane.
Awesome. Thx for sharing