VOCAL COACH REACTS | JINJER | PISCES
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2020
- Heavily Requested and Long overdue, let's talk about Jinjer, Tatiana, and this live recording of Pisces!
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"I have seen and heard this before"
Thank you. Finally someone who just admits it, instead of flat out lying and then overacting an oh so unspoiled reaction.
100% agreed! Instant like and subscribe for being honest (and knowledgeable).
I don’t think you can say that other reactions are necessarily dishonest. I’ve seen quite a few where it’s clear to me that the reviewer is pretending to be shocked (click bait). But classical voice teachers don’t always listen to metal, and so this kind of thing can legitimately take them by surprise. My background is more mainstream rock/pop/r&b, with lots of opera and musical theater, and I literally had never heard a woman make that kind of sound before-and I’ve been around awhile.
@@lkayh yeah but the majority of these people aren't vocal tachers, they are youtubers who earn money with clicks and they know exactly what they're doing. given how old this song is by now literally every youtuber who does reaction videos has at least heard about it or even seen it before.
@@DroctorKloebner I guess UA-cam is very selective about what hits my feed, probably because I’m pretty selective about what I click on. For the most part when it comes to unique vocalists like Tati, Diana Ankudinova, Dimash (JEEZ!), Sohyang, etc., I prefer to hear from vocal coaches and musicians who know what is happening and can give informed explanations and opinions. And when something legitimately takes them by surprise, it’s really fun to see. Anyway, I don’t see or click on a lot of reaction vids if seems like the reactor won’t understand the skill and technique behind what they’re hearing.
I want to see mark do some covers
Once I have more time during the week thats definitely something we want to start doing
@@KardavoxAcademy YESSSS!
She's a monster in live
I had the pleasure to watch them live in my city before this plague...
Love jinjer
Though it (happily) is becoming more common for singers/vocalists to sound just as good live, it is still extremely impressive when the recordings are so very clean.
I had tickets for about a month ago. I'm still holding on to them hoping they'll reschedule.
I had tickets to see them in a festival next weekend... Well that was delayed for a year
@@ElliWoelfin yes, agreed. Tool are also very good in this way.
Kris yeah they haven’t announced a reschedule for their 2020 American tour :( hopefully soon
"maybe they want my take on it"
We want everyone's take on it
Fact
hahaha fuck yeah
I know a lot of focus with this band is on the talent of Tatiana but the musicianship behind her is fantastic and super-tight especially that bassist
Absolutely!
Dude is a monster on that bass. Both accenting the drums and guitar while also adding his own "voice" to the song
The drummer is the shit too... for me Jinjer became Jinjer with Vlad
Jinjer lists Opeth as an influence so, yes.
the last section especially *breathes* opeth through and through, but in the most positive way
Her clean vocals to scream vocals is so smooth
I like Jinjer, and I've watched a few vocal coach reactions to the transition in Tatiana's singing. It's nice for a cheap laugh to see people who are blown away by a woman producing a metal scream/growl. It's a refreshing and good thing that I can also see a metal vocalist breaking down what she is actually singing, not just the fact that 'wymen can't scream, what is this' Thank you
Nice to see a vocal coach reaction where the coach actually understands what she's doing to produce her growls/screams. So many others are absolutely dumbfounded by her distortion technique.
Now can you tell me what the hell Keith Buckley of Every Time I Die is doing? Because he sounds incredible but it doesn't sound like any technique I'm familiar with, or least not when he performs it.
He's doing fry screams or more like what is known as "heat", so voice with (a lot of) distortion, the singer of rise against does the same thing and the dude of anti flag, as well. Although I'm not really sure where the distortion really comes from physically, maybe it's just the flappy stuff like the soft palet and the false chords?
There's a thing called arytenoid distortion, it's what Tool does, and Chester Bennington. Andrew Sowthworth has demonstrated this type of distortion before in his how to rasp and high scream tutorials.
Maybe it's what you are looking for.
one thing that impressed me with Jinjer is how deep Tatianas screams go, sure nowadays it isn't that rare to have women screaming but her range is what gets me and I love it
I’m no singer but it is fascinating to listen to a technical break down of the voice behind a song
This is one “vocal coach” I can listen to explain and enjoy the technicalities of the voice
That's awesome to hear, man! We've got plenty more where that came from! - Alex
Kardavox Academy I definitely subscribed! I always appreciate when a UA-camr takes the time to respond to their comments, thanks man!
@@Robloxtwoface326 Thanks Vernon, we do our best here! Hope you're doing well.
I don't know beans about singing, so I found this _very_ informative and interesting. Most instructive reaction I've seen.
Thanks, Ric! Be sure to subscribe and stick around for more! - Alex
I lost it at “wanna put some stank on it”!!! My man!! 😂😂😂😂
Gotta love putting some stank on it!
@@KardavoxAcademy Whenever possible, put stank on it.
She's an amazing vocalist. I love Jinjer!
Why did this reaction end up being the only video that helped me learn false chords? The noise he made when explaining it is literally something I did all the time as a kid, it was my "monster voice". No one Records tutorials through a mic they only use their reverby ass room recordings and it does not help people understand the sound they're supposed to make, So thank you Mark!
Mark could be an ear nose and throat doctor with all his anatomy knowledge.
Also, speaking of Opeth you should react to them.
The arm ring, the Mjolnir necklace in previous videos...skål my brother!
:) :)
I was about to comment on that too!
Don’t know why I was paying more attention to the instruments than the vocals during a vocal analysis, but damn that snare is nice.
Edit: And yes, that bridge sounds a lot like Opeth. Really cool. So does the very end imo. It sounds like a guitar riff Mikael would write.
It's quite possible it's because this was recorded as a showcase for the drummer! :D
Man this song always gives me chills, especially toward the end. I found Jinjer and Unleash the Archers at a time when metal was starting to feel repetitive and dry to me. They carried me through all of 2017-2018
"Opeth inspiration" totally agree and it's another positive point I think.
I know I've seen interviews where the band has talked about Opeth being a major influence.
Totally agreed about the Opeth sounding ending. You are quite the insight for a drummer like me to learn more about the vocals and their part in music.
After I built my studio a few months ago, I’ve been playing with vocals, and want to make that a usable part of my musical talent, so thanks for these videos!
The detailed commentary and examples set these videos apart.
I absolutely love the last 1/4-1/3 of this song
Anything inspired by Opeth is just a sign of a good taste to me.
Great getting a perspective from someone who knows the growling side - subbed. It would be great to get your analysis of one of their songs where she uses her low growls too - Who Is Gonna Be The One official live or Pit Of Consciousness live in Kiev. I've felt like I was hearing that transition between false cord growls and fry screams in those because she starts ramping up to the scream from a much lower growl in both of those. Of the two I'd prefer Pit Of Consciousness since it is newer and her voice is always growing in power. Cheers!
Her singing voice/timbre actually reminds my of Stevie Nick's at times on this.
And that very end part. She reminds me of Jeff Walker from Carcass on Heartwork.
Cerebral Bore’s singer is also a lady with killer vocals. Straight up great
This is the second smart explanation I have seen where someone knows what they are saying.
Saw them at Toulouse (FR) few months ago, it was a total blast !
Nice! I bet that was awesome. I spent a summer in Toulouse years ago. Loved all three months of it!
I was at a show in my hole city in aachen germany at asuper small and sweaty venue. Awesome!
C'est pas souvent que je vois un français sur ce genre de vidéo. je me sens un peu moins seul....
je les ai manqués :///
"Arch Enemy" got my sub
that was my first thought when first hearing Jinjer as well
The prechorus & bridge sound like Opeth. This song is like if Lacuna Coil & Opeth had a baby. Love it though.
Absolutely OPETH! I recognized those chords immediately! Fun fact - back in the days of Netflix sending you actual DVDs, I "thought" I ordered an Otep DVD, but I ended up with Opeth - The Roundhouse Tapes. That was the first time in a LONG time that I got excited about new (to me) music. And it was a mistake! ( or was it?) Anyway, really appreciate your channel. Thanks!
"Who is gonna be the one" live is the way. Check it out perhaps. ♥
██ The next song of Tatyana for review - live at the concert:
JINJER - Perennial (Live at Wacken Open Air 2019) | Napalm Records
She's absolutely insane live.
I saw her preform this song live when Cradle of Filths lead singer got sick for the Baltimore show a few years ago . They played a longer set and she hit every song , it was a fantastic performance
She's amazinggg, so glad you dug deep on this song! Agree on the Opeth connection. On that note, would LOVE to see you break down Mikael's vocals!! Opeth was my fav growing up. Maybe something from Still Life of Ghost Reveries? Great job on this video. Thank you! 🤘
The first female vocalist doing this type of vocals was Otep Shamaya, from the band Otep. Otep Shamaya is a huge influence on Tatiana´s vocal technique...
I grew up listening to Arch Enemy CONSTANTLY, along with Mushroomhead and Mudvayne. I was probably one of the least surprised people on the planet when I heard this song the first time...
I’ve waited so long for you to do Jinjer
I'm still waiting to do Jinjer
@@Jacob_the_Dabbler I see what you did there 👉😎👉
Wow.. Never listened to Jinjer before......I'm a fan now
The consistency in her incredible breath control is evem more impressive given she's self-taught. That's something I view as the type of thing you'd ignore when learning on your own (like anatomy or colour theory when drawing).
I suspect she remembered enough of those basic principles from the few months of training she got as a school kid to use it as a foundation when she got serious about singing as a teenager.
The first thing I thought when the bass line hits was peak opeth. It shows up in several of their songs.
I had the opportunity to see them in a really small venue in my town right as this video was blowing up. They absolutely killed it, they are the real deal.
That sounds like it would have been awesome!
Saw them a couple years ago in Phoenix and they killed it plus the “after party” at Denny’s with them was chill as fuck they’re some awesome dudes.
Fantastic breakdown! Jinjer is awesome
This is not a reaction, it is an analysis. I still thumbs up'd, well done
This band is fantastic, keep up the magnificent work Mark
Yes! Finally a reaction from somebody who knows what’s going on. It’s funny because most people I show this to ask if it’s real, but IMO what is great about Jinjer is the songs are written and produced to be very reproducible live. Aside from a few random harmonies here and there there are very few overdubs and they pull it off VERY well live.
I think you would like Lauren Babic. Her band is Red handed Denial, and she does lots of covers. Two of my favorites are her two covers of Veil of Maya
Most reaction videos aren't very educational. I love your content bc you actually break it down 🖤
Also, I would love if you interviewed her about her vocals! She’s said many times she doesn’t warm up before shows or have any techniques . She’s self taught and has been doing it for years before she got to where she is now! Either way for how good she is it’s pretty impressive! New sub :))
Love the videos, they help me way more than i ever expected
That intro yell was awesome lol
love these videos man!!
Thanks!
Every time I hear this song, I think of The Dillinger Escape Plan's song "Setting fire to sleeping giants," kinda jazz sounding (to my untrained ears) which suddenly go into screaming.
I’ve listened to this track maybe a hundred times and when you said Opeth vibe the biggest penny ever dropped! CLANG!!!!!! I was shouting at the screen in agreement with you. Thank you xx
I know it's not fake (just to preface), but the way she's so relaxed and comfortable with a relatively closed mouth almost makes the screams look dubbed.
Superb breakdown. Thank you.
I always watch your videos but this was one was especially insightful for me. The topic of the basic false chord after the first heavy section really helped me understand something that's been making my screams inconsistent for a long time. Thanks mark!
I love making my coffee in the morning and watching Mark’s videos. Man he is so talented and well educated. Keep it up brother
Thx so much for the professional inside which most reactions did not provide at all.
Please do a live one of Jinjer - she's a beast in breath control and that makes their live quality so amazing, I guess.
Also, let's appreciate the guys a bit more, Vlad, Eugene and Roman are all super talented in what they are doing. Barely any metal band out there that skilled in each position - bass, vocals, drums and guitar - all you need.
That was interesting. I like how you actually break things down other reactions on this is just people getting shook whereas you actually break it down 👍🤘
Totally sounding like Opeth i agree 100% impossible to miss the influence ;o
Just discovered this video this is one of my favorite songs and I love how you are honest about seeing it before a lot of reactors will never says that
I LOVE watching your reviews and how you break down how to do certain vocal techniques that most vocal teachers are way too scared to even touch let alone teach. And you're doing it in such a great simple to follow but also extremely competent way! Keep up the good work man! Love your videos and I watch every one!
So glad hes back
i saw them live two years ago right before arch enemy. they were slaying it! she is very good and talented! had a really great night!
I love the girl from Conflict!!!
I'm so glad I found your channel. Your content is amazing. Much love ❤️🤟
Thanks for the kind words! We've got plenty more where that came from, and if you want more behind the scenes content, feel free to check us out on Patreon! www.patreon.com/kardavoxacademy - Alex
I love love this song and ur take on it..just wanna say the band as a unit are epic..keep up the good work mate
I've seen so many of these reactions videos, but this one seems to be so professional, finallyyyyyyyy
Thanks
The thing I really like about your reaction videos is the fact that you are a coach and go in depth as to how certain vocals are done. I've found that I've been able to improve my screams through watching these videos
Tatiana's little hand gesture is hilarious to me too. First time I saw the video, it made me laugh out loud.
Recently found your channel and am enjoying the heck out of you.
the tip for false chords is amazing. I love your channel so much, keep the good work please
What can I say , this is the most professional reaction video on this song i have ever seen .
Seen lot's of vocal coaches react but all of them had zero connection to metal music .
Great video , great reaction ..
Ever did a reaction on a real live performance of Jinjer , I would suggest the song Perennial ( live at Wacken open air 2019)
It's the last song of their show and in my opinion that's where she really proves how good she handles her voice and breath control .
Thanks for the kind words! I'll check it out!
@@KardavoxAcademy Thnx for the reply !
Man, these reactions... love it
Thanks bro!
Nice job brow, congrats from Brazil!!!
I love this guys energy in all of his videos.
Thanks bro!
I'm so glad you decided to do this song! It's such a good song from such an amazing band! Your breakdown of vocalists' techniques and giving your own input is such a cool insight!
I would love to see a breakdown of Forlorn by For the Likes of You! It's such a great song, and their vocalist Austin Dickey seems to have so many different techniques that I'd LOVE to have your take on it! Thank you for the awesome vids!
YES! We want your Take on it!
Amazing! I'd love to see you reacting to Retrospection and/or Pit of Consciousness, but if you wanna hear an song that she doesn't scream, Bad Water, such an amazing and underrated song
Wow, this was really informative. Really nice to listen to someone who understands these kinds of vocals. Instant sub, after watching this and the Demolisher analysis.
Thanks for the sub! Welcome to the Kardavox family!
Oh, finally!!! Thanks!!!
This is the best analysis ever! Such a good class for those who seek for perfection! Congrats, wish you were my teacher :D
Wow, thanks for the kind words, Amanda! The good news is... Mark can totally be your teacher! Just send us an email on kardavox1010@gmail.com and tell us a little about yourself and your abilities, and we can inform you about our lesson offerings! - Alex
That melody and esp the bass during the last section does sound Opeth-inspired.
11:11 I love it to. I think its the emotion and the hand movements for "runs for death"
Right! Good spot. Her scream has really short phrases, meaning she's using a lot of air.
Haven't paid attention to it before.
Thanks, glad you liked it!
You should do a video on Knocked Loose - Mistakes Like Fractures
I absolutely agree that they have a similar sound as Opeth. Which is a really big compliment. Opeth rock. :)
I've never had the opportunity to hear this band WOW what a voice from such a petite women just amazing how her rangers seem so easy to her I understand that she has been at it for sometime
..... oh my god the ending IS very Opeth, I've been struggling to put two and two together since I listened lmfao thank you
Somebody finally explains this technique,thank you!
Your sincerity has generated a new subscriber from Venezuela !! good vibes for you!!! Rock On!!! \m/
Welcome to the Kardavox family, dude! Tell your friends!
This is the first time I’ve seen someone on UA-cam go into so much detail on how Tati does her growls/screams as well as her cleans and I appreciate it so much
Thanks! Be sure to stick around, and check out some of our older vids for more! - Alex
I happened to stumble across your channel late last night and got lost for a couple of hours. Great content I’ll definitely be back and you got yourself one more subscriber. 😉
Tatiana said in an interview she grew up and listened to Lamb of god and took inspiration on Randy Blythe ..sorry might not have wrotte his name correctly..but you can hear a lot of Lamb of god tones into her singing...and i find that really cool of her..very nice feel to her voice, she got amazing clean..so versatile in what she does and truth is she is one of my fav metal vocalist with Courtney from spiritbox and Angela from Arch Enemy. She brings something new to the table and thats what i like about her. Thanks for the video and i love your band Kardashev, never heard music so powerfull and beautiful at the same time. Keep making awesome music like this.