Vocal Coach Reacts to JINJER - Pisces (Live) - Singing Analysis
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2021
- Hi, my name is Aleksandra and I'm an international vocal coach. Today I'll be analysing and reacting to Jinjer singing "Pisces"! Thank you for the recommendation.
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Here's the video with fixed audio issues ---> ua-cam.com/video/_mVgiUYDOlw/v-deo.html
Thank you so much for pointing out the speed/audio issues in the previous version of the video. You're stars for being so attentive to detail and knowing this song so well
It's best to simply delete this one. It shows up first compared to your updated/corrected version. Which I watched all of and enjoyed. Cheers!
"Welcome to the Jinjer family" as they say 😁
Ok, it has overdubs... But she's real and better live.
More Jinjer Plz
Jinjer fans incoming lol. We live for this song's review 🤘😎🤘
Ok.
Try Perennial live at Wacken next time
yes plz. and whos going to be the one live =)
aaaaand Jinjer army arrives in 3, 2, 1... :)
nice reaction and do yourself a favor and react to more Jinjer songs. Even if that kind of music is not your cup of tea you will enjoy this journey!
You don't have to wait for the cavalry to suggest a live performance that truly showcases the whole band's qualities
"Jinjer - Perennial Live at Wacken 2019" would be the go-to...
@@indus3270 Perennial is good but Who is gonna be the one is better
@@maximus11400 I don't agree, but that's fine, your opinion is yours...
I prefer perennial because the song structure speaks to me in ways that "who's gonna be the one" can't, possibly because there isn't really a clear-cut theme throughout the whole song. It feels like two separate songs to me, whereas "Perennial" slides through several styles but maintains a theme.
But again, you may have good reasons why you prefer the other one, you can ;-)
😂🤘🏻
You do not have to speed up the video, Jinjer does not report people for copyright (:
Yeah, they'll claim but not block.
Not up to Jinjer. It's Napalm. And yes, Napalm does sometimes copyright claim.
Yeah, it was sped up. FIRST TIME I gave ever heard it sped up. I thought I was tripping. No rush. You will not lose us because it is played at it's normal speed. Quite the opposite!
This was an accident that must have happened when exporting the video. Not intentional. Working on it! Thanks for pointing it out.
This! Also, it makes the song and Tati sound goofy. Also, also, you are missing out on her beautiful low notes
Her tones and growl are natural. There was probably some small production in the mic, but it's mostly her talent and technique
Absolutely, I'd agree that the growl is natural. I just mean that the mic amplifies the sound and she is singing close to it which aids the proximity effect, so the growl as a voice effect doesn't need to be very loud.
@@AleksandraVocalCoach Keep doing more of their songs! When you do some of their live videos you'll be even more impressed! There is a one-take video of her in the studio doing their song "judgement and punishment" that you'd really like. I'd suggest their songs 'perinneal" live at Wacken and "teacher teacher" official video next. Subscribed to see you do more Jinjer
If you look in the description for the video, it says that this was done to let Vlad, new drummer, put his spin on the song. The growls, properly done false chord growls, were doubled in post to give her voice a bit of a break. If you want better examples of her vocal talent, may I suggest "Who Is Gonna Be The One" the official live, "Perennial" live at Wacken, and her one take vocal performance of "Judgement (&Punishment)", although I do recommend a double feature of that song, the official video and then the one take, just to see how damn good she is.
And all this is with the support of the 3 amazing musicians in the band, without them, and Tatiana, Jinjer would not be even a tenth of what it is.
EDIT - Those three suggestions are only the tip of the iceberg, they have so many amazing songs.
There is only a little of delay on the voice, as they already said many many times in interviews.
If you listen LIVES Tatiana is IMPRESSIVE
There is in fact post production with layering vocals but outside of that Tatiana Shmailyuk vocal ranges are 100% legitimate as is proven in any one of there live performances.
id love to see you react to judgement and punishment one take! its just tatiana with a microphone, you can clearly see what shes doing and she has a lovely cat :)
This video is a definite must for vocal coaches, one take one camera, one amazing Tatiana. Judgement and Punishment!
A great request. Definitely a must do.
Get ready for a pretty substantial boost to your views/comments
Well I've never been to this channel but youtube put this video in my feed because I've watched so many reactions to this song. So clearly the algorithm worked :-)
Aleksandra you should react to:
- judgement and punishment
(One take live session)
You just tripped over the tip of the Jinjer iceberg. :) Now do "Teacher, Teacher", "Who is gonna be the one?", "Judgement and Punishment" (one take version). Then you will be truly hooked.
The switching between clears and screams in "Teacher, Teacher" is unbelievable seamless and looks effortless.
Something wrong with the speed
Yep, the playback speed is set above 1 definitely.
maybe its to avoid YT copyright, don´t know for sure, but its sure speedup
Thank you for pointing it out. Working on it.
I know a lot of people are going to give you some great performances in future recommendations... But I'm going to throw it the 'one take performance judgement and punishment' if you really want to analyze her. The video is solidly her from the waist up, you can watch her posture and technique and it really shows which stuff comes easily to her, and which parts she puts in the effort... Not saying you have to react to the video, but if you really wanna see how tatiana works, that is the best one I've seen.
^_^
Yep, great suggestion! Here's the link: Judgement (& Punishment): Tatiana Shmayluk - One Take Vocal Performance - ua-cam.com/video/Q5rg_63Shqg/v-deo.html&ab_channel=JinjerMetalBand
Perennial live at Wacken Open Air 2019 or Teacher, Teacher ( official video)
Yeah! Jinjer Army arrives ) Love to see the initial Pisces reaction ) Especially if a reactor already HAS 5000 subs, so its not to boost channel, but because of real curioucity. Love to see you loved the vid. Now you have a LOT of great new possibilities to review. Jinjer have a huuuuge bag of quality clips, so - cheers, and congratulations )
Think you are ready now for the greatest singer in Metal, Floor Jansen. Start with Ghost Love Score live from Wacken. Once you dive in that rabbit hole...
Tatiana might disagree... Floor is more operatic, Tati is pure power.
Yes, Floor is amazing, but I wouldn't say the greatest (one of the greatest, yes, but not the greatest). I would expect someone with as much training as Floor has to be extremely good at what she does (and she is). Floor also teaches voice, so I would expect her to be good. The really impressive thing is Tatiana has very little training and honestly stands toe to toe with Floor. Both are great, but just raw ability I'd have to give it to Tatiana. As far as metal singers or "operatic metal" singers go, Floor is very versatile, but again, I'd have to give Tatiana a bit of an edge in that category as well.
It was Nightwish that got me into metal and more extreme music. So, no, I'm not dissing Nightwish or Floor here. I was extremely impressed with Floor (and still am). I still love Ghost Love Score, but that ship sailed awhile ago. The thing is with Nightwish, their stuff seems pretty much the same. Not saying it's not good, because they are very talented, but it's symphonic metal. Unfortunately, once you've heard one symphonic metal song, you pretty much heard most of them (even from band to band). They pretty much stick to one genre. I have to be in a particular mood to want to listen to it now. I can't say I like every song of Nightwish, far from it. But with Jinjer, I can say I like all their songs. Jinjer doesn't stick to one genre. No matter what mood I'm in, Jinjer seems to fit. They change it up within songs and between songs. I simply prefer the variety that Jinjer brings to the table more than Nightwish.
So, no, that Nightwish rabbit hole didn't seem like much of a rabbit hole...
Why does everyone think she’s getting help from the microphone or digital effects??!! She’s a beast, she doesn’t need anything to sound like that
You have only scratched the surface of Jinjer Please do more reactions you won’t be disappointed!
Tatiana is the real deal, as is the entirety of Jinjer. Hope you check out more! “Perennial” live at Wacken and “Judgment and Punishment” live one-take vocal performance are two to check out. Depends on the environment you want to see.
Although it is my understanding that Tatiana couldn’t precisely tell you how she does it, the general consensus is that she’s using the vestibular folds/false chords for the growl.
Actually her growl is very loud without post production.. check out Perennial live at Wacken.. she brings it live on stage..
Tatiana had a few vocal lessons when she was a teenager but she obviously has a natural gift. Also her warmup before shows is a shot of whiskey and a cigarette.
I Agree with Aaron Smith, I love your reaction, one of the best!!! Welcome to Jinjer!!!
for 3 years now I trudge from the reaction to Jinjer 😁 you are very beautiful 😍🌹
Jinjer reactions just never get old.... Excellent reaction!
Another phenomenal, but very different, bad ass woman of metal you should check out is Brittany Slays and Unleash the Archers. I'd recommend their song Tonight we Ride or Test your Metal.
Do analys on the song "Nightwish ghost love score live wacken 2013"
Symphonic metal band.
You will love it.
Me-Searches UA-cam for yet another vocal coach reaction to Jinjer
UA-cam- Your welcome *big smile*
This ranks as one of the most authentic reactions to hearing Jinger for the first time. That you leant in and looked closer to find an explanation for the sound you were hearing came across as far more genuine than those reactors who immediately show shock and awe a microsecond after hearing the growl.
legendary legend queen Tatiana and epic jinjer
Lots of metal singers can do this low false chord growl. Just not many women can do it this well.
It's not a vocal effect, it is a vocal technique.
There is of course post production on this studio recording, but all you have to do is check out any live performance to see the power.
Everyone will suggest perennial at wakken.... That's a good place to start.
Loved the reaction!
Looking forward to more Jinjer. Subbed.
Check them out live. Tatiana is so impressive.
I liked your analysis, subbed :) I study voice, so it's great to see these kinds of videos; entertaining and educational.
I love watching vocal coaches react to Jinjer and analyze Tatiana's vocals. This is really just the tip of the iceberg. I love this song. It's all about the duality of Pisces (zodiac sign). Light and dark. Life and death. She portrays that very well. She always connects with the song and grabs your attention. Such great energy. She is also a Pisces as well as Eugene (the bassist). She wrote the lyrics and asked Eugene to help finish it. She writes the lyrics and vocal lines to all their songs (except for one song on their Micro EP and part of this one). The lyrics are always deep, meaningful, and poetic. The rest of the band is; Roman - guitarist and Vlad - drummer. All very excellent at what they do. Vlad also is a classically trained pianist as well as a guitar player. The guys compose the music and then hand it to Tatiana to do her thing.
Speaking of crossing genres and styles; one of the amazing things about Tatiana is she is self taught. She had about 2 months of voice lessons when she was 8 years old and then just sang in any band she could sing in since, at one point she was in 8 or 9 bands (all different styles). She loves to jam and improvise. She sings all kinds of styles. She likes jazz, reggae, hip-hop, rock, pop, punk, funk, etc. She said her most influential/inspirational people are Bob Marley, Elle Fitzgerald, and Amy Winehouse. She loves Gwen Stefani as well. She taught herself how to scream/growl. Here's an interview that talks about that: ua-cam.com/video/UBrqWYMBm60/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Loudwire
If you want to hear more from Jinjer and Tatiana and you being a vocal coach, this is probably the one to do next (as has been suggested): Judgement (& Punishment): Tatiana Shmayluk - One Take Vocal Performance - ua-cam.com/video/Q5rg_63Shqg/v-deo.html&ab_channel=JinjerMetalBand. Love this one. Great close up of Tatiana doing her thing. Awesome song. Lots of style switching in this.
Then to see her on stage live and get a really good overall showcase of her all around singing check out, Perennial: Live at Wacken Open Air 2019 - ua-cam.com/video/bxi3i9wzQBk/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NapalmRecords, Soaring vocals, soft singing and extreme vocals. Her stage presence is awesome as well.
Oh and yeah, her growls/screams can be very loud (low and high). Who is Gonna Be the One: Live at Atlas 2017 - ua-cam.com/video/U6rv5qi8-8s/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NapalmRecords shows that really well or Pit of Consciousness: Live in Kiev 2019 - ua-cam.com/video/vEhxuNuHWls/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NapalmRecords. Both of these songs are pretty heavy songs and really showcase her extreme vocals well. Love both of these as well.
Also, the only effects they have on her mic in a live session is a slight delay. You'll notice some doubling in this song, but that was from her recording some lines before the take then adding that during the take.
They are awesome live. Going to see them for the first time in person this October. Can't wait!
Jinjer is awesome. Have fun. They've got lots of great stuff. A lot of talent here. 👍
The expression on your face... it never gets old.. *grin*.. Aside from a little layering on both her cleans and her growls from time to time, it's all her...BTW... I agree with comments below as to Perennial Live at Wacken and Judgement and Punishment One Take as your next steps into the Jinjer rabbit hole...
Present for you... Tatiana on Loudwire discussing how she learned to do what she does...
ua-cam.com/video/UBrqWYMBm60/v-deo.html
Welcome tto jinjer! Whole band is talented. I messaged you on IG with a playlist. Make it easier to find peoples suggestiins if you choose to react to more. Hope you do!
Keep listening to JINJER...she is a force to be reckoned with.
I love how you reacted to this song.👍🤟. It's so obvious you are reaching to the song first hand. Not like other tractors who act all surprised. They watch the video before hand and act like it's first hand reaction. But you were honest..and you did an excellent job 👍👍👌🤟. Well done and keep it up 👍🤟. Thank you and take care of yourself 🙏🌹❤️🤟.
Fantastic my dear.......great job....love the way you recognize that her body position plays into her vocal technique.......I would love to see your reaction to one of their live concerts.....
If I may recommend...try
PERENNIAL live at Waken 2019.....
Enjoy!!!!!!
React to "Perennial Live" or "Judgment (& Punishment) One Take Vocal" next time, in my opinion, those songs are too good
Yes that’s our girl! ;)
Judgement and punishment 1 take is a vocal coaches dream to react to, as you get a closer up, more exposed version of her posture and jaw placement, as well as the flexibility in her voice and in the bands composition.
Good reaction! Truly special and talented band, the four of them! You really gotta check a live performance to see all this talent on stage, try "Perennial" live at Wacken 2019, it´s epic!
Welcome to JINJER! Please continue on with your JINJER journey. Try (PERENNIAL) live in wacken 2019 & (WHO IS GOING TO BE THE ONE) live. Also there is (RETROSPECTION) official video & (CAPTAIN CLOCK) live at resurrection fest. Maybe even do some old school stuff like (OUTLANDER) official video & (SCISSORS) official video. When your done with these videos then your ready for (THE PROPHECY) official video. Thank you!! ENJOY!!!
Two of my fav reactions are for Jinjer Pisces and anything Band-Maid.
Great reaction! Can't believe she can get this sound. The guitar/bass/drums in this song remind me of the group Alter Bridge.
"blend the genres" Check out Judgement & Punishment One Take by Jinjer. Switching genres
Dunno how much post production there is on a live session...
But she sound exactly the same on a live scene, if they somehow jammed in post-production in the middle of a concert I'd be seriously impressed.
Yay!!!
I think this will always be the best introduction for newbies to the band. It shows off the incredible talent of all the band members!
Remember she’s using her false folds to growl. NO VOCAL CHORDS INVOLVED. The only vocal effects are when Tatiana’s singing, not when she’s growling.
For another great studio recording try this one…
ua-cam.com/video/Q5rg_63Shqg/v-deo.html
Here’s Tatiana talking about her singing…
ua-cam.com/video/UBrqWYMBm60/v-deo.html
Hoping to see more Jinger reactions in the future. Two good ones are, Perennial (live at Wacken), Judgement & Punishment (one take)
Vocal coaches are always the most fun, open mouth stare 😂
Very informative analysis - I learned some new things! Thank you.
I would suggest Heilung 'In Maidjan' as an interesting one to look at. You delve more into the biology of sound production and I would be interested in hearing what you think of Maria Franz' vocalizations.
You need to see a live performance. Check out Perennial live at Wacken!!!
Jinjer is one of the really innovative bands today, painting outside the boundaries of current genre wisdom. I'd recommend Teacher, Teacher to see more of Tatiana's vocal skills, and Vortex for an example of perfect integration of her clean and growling techniques. I also want to recommend an even more jaw-dropping performance by an artist named Angelina Jordan. You need to experience the black & white video of her performance of I Put A Spell On You, recorded when she was nine years old. Great reaction and information! Edit: I just subscribed. Keep up the great work!
Should watch either "whos gonna be the one" live or "judgement and punishment" live one take recording.
If you want to see just how clean and fast she can switch I suggest checking out jinjer perennial live at WOA. It's pretty good. And he ability is insane.
Legend says, that once during a concert Jinjer was cut off from power - but continued playing despite ; Tatiana sounded very loud.
No post production here ( LIVE Session ) it was a live stream .
Romantic Poets and Jinjer's _Pisces__ Meaning, Duality, and the Human Tragedy
Her tones are 100% her. Check out Perennial (Live @ Wacken 2019) or Who is Gonna Be the one) live. You will hear what she is capable of doing with her voice/vocals!
She does it better than alot of dudes.
Check out
Slaughter to Prevail - Demolisher
I know nothing about singing, but it surprises me that having a tongue piercing like she does doesn't adversly affect her singing.
Please, react to Nightwish "Ghost Love Score" Wacken 2013.
Greetings from Helsinki!
The speed is a distraction to me try a live stage performance of them undoctored
HI Aleksandra, I am one of your subs and found you because I am a Dimash fan. I was looking thru you listings and I think you have only done one Dimash ? I also noticed it has 204 thousand views. That is a very much larger number than many of you posts. Many of the voice teachers who do reaction videos to Dimash also do a group called Pentatinox. Both Dimash and Pentatinox especially, have huge UA-cam followings. This adds thousands to you channel and that means you started getting paid by UA-cam. It also gathers more to your fan base and more people will watch more of you videos. I am not complaining or trying to tell you what to do, I am just a fan of yours and making a suggestion as a fan and nothing more. You go to a lot of work to post a video, you may as well get more people to watch them as well as making some money while your at it. I would take some time to add several more Dimash videos. I would also add several by Pentatinox. Pentatinox has several years of posts on UA-cam and I think I read somewhere they had collectively 4.5 Billion views of their songs. I think even in the UK that seems like a lot. They have a version of Hallelujah that has 612 million views ? If you hear it, it would be easy for someone with your background and training to know why. They are really next level of musical talent. What is really odd, they are an A Capella group ? Just like Dimash, they will startle you. I will leave a link and you can see what you think. Thanks Aleksandra, With love from Florida ua-cam.com/video/LRP8d7hhpoQ/v-deo.html
I`m watching a lot of Jinjer reactions. I`m a singer myself. I`m wondering why so many vocal coaches are sceptical about a long used technique of singing. Thats only a dobbling of voice used in post. Thats it. The growling voice ist pure as is.
Lol your face says it all. Do Perinial next please🙏🏼🌹
Hi something you might like to check out if you want to hear an amazing singer the band is called Nightwish it's a symphonic metal band from Finland with a Dutch singer floor jansen (the vakyrie)
This band has a massive following in Europe and the Internet
Nightwish ghost love score wacken open air concert 2013
Also check out floor jansens u tube channel were she sings some covers in her home studio ( lara fabians adjio hart's alone and others)
It sounds sped up and a lil high pitched. It kind of takes away from the genius of the track.
The growls and the cleans use different parts. So one can switch between them rather easily. I actually can do this. ;)
You've got some good additional Jinjer recommendations below, and when you're ready to move on, give Spiritbox a listen, with their excellent vocalist Courtney Laplante. Similarly excellent range. E.g. The Mara Effect, Blessed Be and Rule of Nines. Bring your tissues for their Constance video.
I'm going to subscribe because I know you will be flooded with requests for more Jinjer. Although the vocal tracks were doubled in studio, "Perennial" Live at Wacken will show you that Tatiana is the real deal.
How you gonna analyze vocal if you speed up the video and destruct the sound?
For a real reaction to the switchup btwn growls and cleans you should react jinjer- Perrenial (Live a waken Open Air)
Welcome to Jinjer. Yes that's all her. Your best bet is Judgment & Punishment one take next.
The song was name Pisces because of the mouth agape look reactors have by the end of the song. They knew when they wrote it.
If you like mixed styles try wagakki band, they're absolutely amazing (don't recomend the easy one to go for, which is their first performance, they have way better performances) and ofcourse, lisa's homura form the first take
Great reaction Aleksandra, informative and a fun time always. You have a in depth knowledge of voices and production. Suggest you listen to her live to access her true volume or voice projection og her growls. :)
Please react to LIliac's (Lil-EEE-Ack) cover of Joan Jett's "I Hate Myself For Loving You" by front woman Melody Cristea or their brand new released cover today; Metallica's Master of Puppets. A great original song newly released is called "Mystery" Enjoy!!
please react to NIGHTWISH - Ghost Love Score live at Wacken....
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Just check Jinjer's live performances. ; )
She doesn’t fry scream. What she does is surprisingly loud.
You gotta try perennial from them
A: I'm a vocal analyst... T: Hold my beer...
Listen to Tatiana Live and see wait you think.
Her growls are primarily made by her false folds
welcome to the Army, now the bands turn with "Teacher, Teacher" enjoy
Jinjer made me like metal again (I know they have an unique style). Thank you.
For another very unique voice (and totally diferent styles) take a look at Diana Ankudinova (a young Russian singer). Suggestions:
Rechenka:
ua-cam.com/video/35Dwo4QVLqs/v-deo.html
Wicked Game:
ua-cam.com/video/7jv-DQnf2UY/v-deo.html
Just watch Jinjer live "anything"
It's interesting that two of the best singers on the planet, Floor Jansen and Tatiana, are both heavy metal singers. Floor also had classical training. And Tatiana's kids are Perfectly behaved so momma doesn't scream at them 😜
Welcome to metal(specifically progressive metalcore)! So basically how she is doing that is her vocal cords are open and the tissue above it (especially the false cords) flap around and create a bunch of overtones. Those overtones are then manipulated by the jaw, tongue, and lips. This technique is called false cord screaming. There is another technique that is commonplace which is fry screaming. The difference between false cord screaming is that the vocal cords are pretty close to closed and air is going through and making a static like sound. Both techniques are pretty safe as long as you know what you are doing and have warmed up. Also, both techniques are actually pretty similar to kargyraa throat singing(the difference between throat singing and harsh vocals is that in throat singing the vocal cords are phonating while in harsh vocal they are not). And, both techniques are actually able to get quite loud, like Alex Terrible actually usually performs one line without a mic(in the performance of their(slaughter to prevail) song demolisher).
As you saw females are definitely capable of doing it. Here are some of the female screamers that I find really impressive(excluding Tatiana):
1. Avienne Kiuttu (Vintersea - Crack of Light) (fry screams)
2. Tanya Elizabeth (Monochomatic Black - Abaddon(vocal playthrough)) (false cord screams)
3. Vicky Psarakis (The Agonist - Orphan) (fry screams & false cord screams)
4. Chelsea Murphy (Dawn of Ouroboros - Spiral of Hypnotism) (fry screams)
5. Som Pluijmer & Missi Avila (Your Chance to Die - Ignite the sky) (false cord screams)
6. Ira Sidenko (Dehydrated - Sickness) (false cord screams)
7. Yuna Imada (Passcode - Trace LIVE in Tokyo 2018) (fry screams)
8. Lauren Hart (Once Human - Sledgehammer) (false cord screams)
9. Eissa Zhovnerchuk (Morphide - Panopticon) (fry screams)
10. Angela Gossow (Arch Enemy - Nemesis LIVE in Japan 2008) (false cord screams)
Great reaction. Anyway, can i request your reaction to superb band from japan?
The band is call "Lovebites"
They all Beautiful Princesses metal band. But they are really really World class musicians.
And they have a lot fans too.
The song is "Winds of Transylvania"
Hope you check out, and can enjoy it too. Big thanks🙏
You should check out her One Take Voice Performance of Judgement (& Punishment): ua-cam.com/video/Q5rg_63Shqg/v-deo.html
You can see her technic trough different sing styles :)
Speed is too fast
I can't watch this with it sped up. Hopefully you can get the audio issues worked out and reupload a fix.
I absolutely love first-time reactions to this song! I wanted to say "close your mouth."
Nowhere near as bad as the guy who had a chew in... :p
It is shocking to me how many "experts" have no idea what a false chord scream is
before you judge her you should watch her live performances
Nice reaction & comments but you do not need to speed up the video. It's sound a bit weird..
Postproduction ... on a live session ...