What's going on with the tech industry? Windows 11 messes up your gaming PC, CPU messes up your gaming PC, drivers mess up your gaming PC! What's next, you sitting on your chair messes up your gaming PC?!
@retrorevolution6534its not even planned obsolescence anymore, at this point companies like Nvidia and Intel just own the market and dont actually want to make good products, they would prefer to make cheap shitty ones marketed as upgrades so they can maximize profit, cause if you don’t wanna by their parts then you just cant play
@@MJ-uk6lu i ain't sending any more of my drip drip until they actually deliver what they promise, cards haven't much since the 30 series all they keep doing is what intel did add money and power, you'll be calling an electrician to add a PC circuit in your house, think of your electric bill also.
Too much niceties towards big bad nvidia. Going against it can bring you a lack of sponsorships or usually outright ban. That’s why there’s gasps among the nvidia-simping crowd when you asked a legitimate question
@@aleksazunjic9672 To each their own, but forcing V-Sync off, turning on nV reflex and forcing some sweet AA and AF in older games is basically gamechanger.
So it wasn"t just my stupid brain... My PC seems laggy these days. Sometimes I feel like I have a framegen-like type of lag... I don't know if people understand what I mean, but my mouse cursor seems to be lead by a rubber band...
Great info , you think a company making gaming parts and software for gaming would at least test there product so that it doesn't negatively effect your gaming experience.
you found them, that 15% performance loss could be useful to make the 5060 with 8GB of vram look better. Personal experience, never update Nvidia drivers when new graphics cards come around
Ah I see why I never had this issue, I always turned off the Game filters and Photo mode when installing this and show casing it in my videos, even the notifications. I noticed a spike when opening the overlay in games but that was about it.
I have NEVER used GeForce Experience as I always considered it bloatware, and manual adjustments were better anyway. I always assumed it would cause some performance impact, even if minor. Even if that specific program didn't do that (your benchmarks show it clearly impacts the lows), it looks like the "upgrade" to it does. I never planned on installing it until it became mandatory to access the Nvidia control panel anyway.
Good to know- I use the studio drivers on my setup due to the animation business I have and noticed as well some unique anomalies when I have folders with considerable amounts of files that have hefty sizes on other drives in my system seemingly freeze the whole system and that recently.
I don't even install GeForce experience on customer PCs. The less unnecessary crap bogging down the system the better. They can always download later if they need or want.
In this particular example I paste the files individually to load the desktop so the refresh visibly slows down, however it slows down more with the Nvidia app installed. Bizarre behavior, but it was the first thing I noticed when I installed it nearly 6 months ago, and uninstalled it after that.
@@rAyQuAzA429 Yes. it is even with me only having shadow play available (as its the only feature I use from the Geforce Experience, as it's very handy for my workflow).
For transparency's sake I'd be interested to see if similar issues exist with AMD Adrenaline. Not that I'm suggesting there are, but I think it'd be interesting to see the comparison.
very happy coincidence for nvidia that their users loose FPS before the 5000 series release... "Oh jeez games really are getting more demanding, I really do need to buy the RTXXX 5690 for 2 trillion when it comes out next month! Thank you nvidio for always keeping up with demand." I am not saying it is on purpose but surely they would not silently fix this bug 1 week before reviews of the 5000 cards go live...
remember you do not longer own all those things you buy... you want your performance back, just wait for nvidia to launch their subscription service for fps boost.... yes you heard right fps as a service is coming soon.
@@Raivo_K Really? They were only a year late or so on Intel. Bryan, GN, and only a few other small channels have made other YT main stream channels think twice about a positive review for years now. Reviewers need to follow suit. Sponsor or not, a crap tastic prouduct or idea is just that.
Feel like you're making a bigger deal of it than it is. So it's one specific setting that if you turn off gets you back to margin of error differences.
Do you even use W11 in any of your personal devices? I know W10 provides better performance and latency but still asking maybe its UI changed your mind.
Yes Game Filters will eat some FPS, they are practically like Reshade. But i don't think they should eat any FPS while you have no filters set to active. I use it to add some color pop (still on 8bit TN panel in 2024... ugh) and increase brightness in Helldivers II when stuff is hard to see in night maps.
The sponsor of this video does give great deals but recently I was charged extra from my bank because the transaction went to Hong Kong so just be aware of this extra charge.
I have already noticed that by my own, i was hoping they would fix it with the final version but that did not happen. I stick with old geforce experience until they fix performance issues.
that is the nvidia fanboy mentality, all will be fixed, deal with the problem the thing is that they came up with the problem, and you as the user should not have to fix anything, because it is not your responsability.
It's hard to understand your desktop video comparisons because you don't show when you click to do something. Are the clicks/keystrokes lined up? It just looks like 2 similar videos slightly out of sync with each other
I will try get some try get a 1000 FPS demo on it if it isn't fixed in the future, however I lined up the up the refresh fade to illustrate the difference, and it was at least in one example 33ms~ roughly slower. (1 frame at 30 fps).
sounds like a test run to artificially cap your graphics card to force you to buy a new series with the same power in the future.will check back on the rtx60xx series being the same with 50xx.
Because not everyone wants to set or change settings with scripts. Don't get me wrong. I love scripts for automating menial or repetitive tasks but GUI control panels also have their place.
Forget nVidia and Windows. AMD and ARC GPU's on Linux. If you want an awesome experience with an Intel GPU, use it with Linux. The drivers are more mature on Linux.
Some people use these game filters to change the look of a game. Folks that play iRacing might be familiar with this: ua-cam.com/video/udiSm7Nk9HA/v-deo.html and it is known that it causes a decrease in FPS. It seems that they just now enable this by default?
something something bUt aMd dRiVeRs something something. Really though drivers are hard, i get it. Thing is Nvidia is a trillion dollar company now. No excuses for this shit.
Especially with the prices of the 5090 gonna be 2200ish yeah I'm good 💯 Nvidia eat yourself ain't eating me 😂. Greedia. But love your outlooks and vids yes man Brian 🎉 could you make a video on AMD software suite like ryzen master and adrenaline?
It resets settings if there is instability somewhere in your system or software conflicting with it. MSI Afterburner likes to reset adrenalin settings if you don't change a setting inside of afterburner. I've used AMD Adrenalin for 4 years now and haven't seen a setting reset since i figured out MSI Afterburner was causing it in my case.
@@Nein99x I only installed afterburner after removing AMD Adrenaline. "Instability" is not always instability, it can be an issue with the game itself, with emulation etc. My pc is stable.
Tech YES Lovin' never messes up my PC.
Awesome channel , i have the same problem, a double reboot fixes this problem.
nah its not just disable filter and ure fine
What's going on with the tech industry? Windows 11 messes up your gaming PC, CPU messes up your gaming PC, drivers mess up your gaming PC! What's next, you sitting on your chair messes up your gaming PC?!
True.
Planned obsolescence
Your PC ruined your PC
@retrorevolution6534its not even planned obsolescence anymore, at this point companies like Nvidia and Intel just own the market and dont actually want to make good products, they would prefer to make cheap shitty ones marketed as upgrades so they can maximize profit, cause if you don’t wanna by their parts then you just cant play
Im this close 🤏🏻 to hopping on Linux
Bro Nvidia barely made a new control panel and they fucked up
That's like the first change to it in like 20... 25 years.
@@MJ-uk6lu If it ain't broke don't fix it.
@@darkcash5520 It was fine, but real reason is that that their software dev budget went into leather jacket orders. Jenny gotta keep dripping.
@@MJ-uk6lu i ain't sending any more of my drip drip until they actually deliver what they promise, cards haven't much since the 30 series all they keep doing is what intel did add money and power, you'll be calling an electrician to add a PC circuit in your house, think of your electric bill also.
Too much niceties towards big bad nvidia. Going against it can bring you a lack of sponsorships or usually outright ban. That’s why there’s gasps among the nvidia-simping crowd when you asked a legitimate question
Where do you have access to all the Nvidia simping crowd to hear what their reaction was?
@@DingleBerryschnappswatch the video lol
@@pingusdingus99 i think bro came here just to see the comments lol
So over nvidia, I just ordered a new Intel card...😊
From what I gathered Nvidia says to turn off filter mode until they release a patch
As always, bare driver installations give the best performance, no extra control panels or anything…
And you get no settings too
@@MJ-uk6lu what settings do you not get?
@@Systematiclol Like nothing what is available in control panel.
@@MJ-uk6lu Only thing useful is FPS cap in some games, although you could do with other things.
@@aleksazunjic9672 To each their own, but forcing V-Sync off, turning on nV reflex and forcing some sweet AA and AF in older games is basically gamechanger.
So it wasn"t just my stupid brain...
My PC seems laggy these days. Sometimes I feel like I have a framegen-like type of lag... I don't know if people understand what I mean, but my mouse cursor seems to be lead by a rubber band...
Great info , you think a company making gaming parts and software for gaming would at least test there product so that it doesn't negatively effect your gaming experience.
Any hardware/software company: But testing cost more money. Well users will beta test for us.
They just test if it works.
you found them, that 15% performance loss could be useful to make the 5060 with 8GB of vram look better. Personal experience, never update Nvidia drivers when new graphics cards come around
Ah I see why I never had this issue, I always turned off the Game filters and Photo mode when installing this and show casing it in my videos, even the notifications. I noticed a spike when opening the overlay in games but that was about it.
Great testing, CPU and GPU, 1080p and 4k. Thank you.
I have NEVER used GeForce Experience as I always considered it bloatware, and manual adjustments were better anyway. I always assumed it would cause some performance impact, even if minor. Even if that specific program didn't do that (your benchmarks show it clearly impacts the lows), it looks like the "upgrade" to it does. I never planned on installing it until it became mandatory to access the Nvidia control panel anyway.
AMD drivers don't have that problem.
4:52 Did you mean to say Ryzen 9 9800X3D, or no?
Oh yeah Ryzen 7. My bad.
@@techyescity NP!
In a forum for 3D stereoscopic gamers we had one member complain that he couldn't get 3D vision working again, and that he couldn't revert changes.
Good to know- I use the studio drivers on my setup due to the animation business I have and noticed as well some unique anomalies when I have folders with considerable amounts of files that have hefty sizes on other drives in my system seemingly freeze the whole system and that recently.
do u know if its just top end losses or is it the same % for mid range, losing 15 fps at 60ish is bad
It does this on all ranges. I have the exact same problem even with low fps...
Easier to update but less fps ... time to start remembering the passwords
Good thing I haven't downloading it yet. Thank you, Bryan!
I don't even install GeForce experience on customer PCs. The less unnecessary crap bogging down the system the better. They can always download later if they need or want.
Do you feel the same about AMD adrenalin?
Yooo , great video !!
8:00 why is the CPU name blurred out?
Come on now what is this behaviour pooja
Oh i made some typos in today's video, just blurred them out so there is no confusion.
9:45 3840 x 2160, 30Hz 🤔 only 30Hz?
Capture card
Thank you for the update Brian, God bless you keep it up !
Can you try AMD adrenalin too? I wonder if the minimal install will help the 1% lows too
It won’t let me stream using the overlay. Has anyone figured this out??
The only thing ScamVidia would design and it wouldn't suck would be a suction cup...
Looking forward to the update video on your workstation and gaming experience with the 9950X.
Thankfully I've been "driver only" for years now and don't plan to change that, but this is good info to know for sure!
when i first installed it, it installed an earlier driver, so i got the driver manually
i never installed experience,
the driver just works.
what's the point?
why are you pasting everything on the desktop. just make a new folder.
In this particular example I paste the files individually to load the desktop so the refresh visibly slows down, however it slows down more with the Nvidia app installed. Bizarre behavior, but it was the first thing I noticed when I installed it nearly 6 months ago, and uninstalled it after that.
@@techyescity
Is this particular refresh also slower if you have the filters / photo modes off?
@@rAyQuAzA429 Yes. it is even with me only having shadow play available (as its the only feature I use from the Geforce Experience, as it's very handy for my workflow).
wasnt well documented thar driver overload was worse on Nvidia espeially with low IPC cpus ?
For transparency's sake I'd be interested to see if similar issues exist with AMD Adrenaline. Not that I'm suggesting there are, but I think it'd be interesting to see the comparison.
Good stuff 👍
i instantly noticed this on red dead 2 i went from 100+ to 50-60 fps at the same settings its insane
CPUs get faster, allowing headroom for devs to "do more" with software, but bringing down the snappiness again. It is a cycle.
very happy coincidence for nvidia that their users loose FPS before the 5000 series release...
"Oh jeez games really are getting more demanding, I really do need to buy the RTXXX 5690 for 2 trillion when it comes out next month! Thank you nvidio for always keeping up with demand."
I am not saying it is on purpose but surely they would not silently fix this bug 1 week before reviews of the 5000 cards go live...
remember you do not longer own all those things you buy... you want your performance back, just wait for nvidia to launch their subscription service for fps boost.... yes you heard right fps as a service is coming soon.
Maybe this is why when I updated to 24h2 I saw my 3dmark Timespy GPU score go down from 35k to around 32k.
In settings turn off the "game filters/photo" mode button and you regain the performance. On average it's a 3% to 7% loss in FPS.
Got 1st on the whole Intel stability thing now this damn
Actually Tom's Hardware was first to test this. Then HUB. Brian is third.
@@Raivo_K Really? They were only a year late or so on Intel. Bryan, GN, and only a few other small channels have made other YT main stream channels think twice about a positive review for years now. Reviewers need to follow suit. Sponsor or not, a crap tastic prouduct or idea is just that.
Thanks. I take screenshots all the time with GeForce Experience. No upgrades 'till it's fixed 👌🏻
You can take screenshots with just Windows alone or MSI Afterburner. GF Experience also hurts performance, just not as much.
@MJ-uk6lu Ansel alternative?
@@shipmcgree6367 Someone still uses Ansel?
@@shipmcgree6367 no
i thought experience is going away at the end of this year?
It is.
I never even liked GeForce Experience. I just install the driver. That's all you really need.
Feel like you're making a bigger deal of it than it is. So it's one specific setting that if you turn off gets you back to margin of error differences.
Do you even use W11 in any of your personal devices?
I know W10 provides better performance and latency
but still asking maybe its UI changed your mind.
Yes Game Filters will eat some FPS, they are practically like Reshade.
But i don't think they should eat any FPS while you have no filters set to active.
I use it to add some color pop (still on 8bit TN panel in 2024... ugh) and increase brightness in Helldivers II when stuff is hard to see in night maps.
Thank god, I didn' t update Nvidia driver for some time.
Unless you play newest games or have a bug the newer drivers fixes you are fine not to update.
Goes back to the lesson, if it's not broke don't fix it.
intel arc is coming like a wrecking ball,
So glad I'm done with Intel and Nvidia.
Now I can kickback and relax with my 9800X3D and 7900 XTX.
The sponsor of this video does give great deals but recently I was charged extra from my bank because the transaction went to Hong Kong so just be aware of this extra charge.
I have already noticed that by my own, i was hoping they would fix it with the final version but that did not happen. I stick with old geforce experience until they fix performance issues.
i have tested this without the filter profile and its no difference in fps, absolutely nothing, maybe this is an issue only in some games
I was wondering why stalker ran like shit
Thanks for the info YES man 👍
Does it run better now?
Excellent discovery
What's so difficult about turning off one setting? And it's a bug that will likely be fixed.
that is the nvidia fanboy mentality, all will be fixed, deal with the problem
the thing is that they came up with the problem, and you as the user should not have to fix anything, because it is not your responsability.
@@arch1107 If you can't be bothered to simply turn off one setting you shouldn't be gaming on a PC.
Good, I'm glad. I thought it was just my poor laptop finally dying.
This is getting blown out of proportion.
It's hard to understand your desktop video comparisons because you don't show when you click to do something. Are the clicks/keystrokes lined up? It just looks like 2 similar videos slightly out of sync with each other
I will try get some try get a 1000 FPS demo on it if it isn't fixed in the future, however I lined up the up the refresh fade to illustrate the difference, and it was at least in one example 33ms~ roughly slower. (1 frame at 30 fps).
sounds like a test run to artificially cap your graphics card to force you to buy a new series with the same power in the future.will check back on the rtx60xx series being the same with 50xx.
NVIDIA pulling the Apple so you can buy the 50 series cards
I never understood why we need control panels, but then again I'm using Arch with 6900XT and sysfs systemd scripts to set fanspeed.
Because not everyone wants to set or change settings with scripts. Don't get me wrong. I love scripts for automating menial or repetitive tasks but GUI control panels also have their place.
For years only use driver only
THIS is why you need a 50** for the *full potential* of new *experience* ..
Nvidia and modem apps pair just as well as oil and water
Boss I wanna thank you so much.I have rtx 4060... Uninstalled Driver with ddu installed without nvidia app..I have 20-30fps boost now ❤
damn thats really big, didn't realise it affected the mid range cards that hard.
Forget nVidia and Windows. AMD and ARC GPU's on Linux. If you want an awesome experience with an Intel GPU, use it with Linux. The drivers are more mature on Linux.
Bryan: "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it..."
NGREEDIA: "Hold my AI GPUs..."
tldw: Turn off Game Filters and photo mod setting.
Sometimes less is better think twice
I always do nvclean on nVidia drivers.
But the Nvidiots said it was only 2fps. They are alwaysssss always coping
Test AMD Adrenalin too.
I was told that Green Drivers are perfect and Intel/AMD are absolute trash, what's going on?
NVIDIA inside my PC ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
trillion dollar company guys
that still sounds like way too much 💩 on your desktop
Some people use these game filters to change the look of a game. Folks that play iRacing might be familiar with this: ua-cam.com/video/udiSm7Nk9HA/v-deo.html and it is known that it causes a decrease in FPS. It seems that they just now enable this by default?
same with steam and denuvo
Thats just nvidia's way of slowing down 40 series.
OMG i knew this would happen, bloatware!
something something bUt aMd dRiVeRs something something.
Really though drivers are hard, i get it. Thing is Nvidia is a trillion dollar company now. No excuses for this shit.
just buy it, it just works
no, it doesnt.
Lol AMD don't have this problem W for team red
All that money you buy to be treated like a beta tester
You need AI gpu and AI motherboard and AI cpu to make it work!
Just upgrade to 5090 sli what's the problem 😂
Especially with the prices of the 5090 gonna be 2200ish yeah I'm good 💯 Nvidia eat yourself ain't eating me 😂. Greedia. But love your outlooks and vids yes man Brian 🎉 could you make a video on AMD software suite like ryzen master and adrenaline?
"Downgrade Now", Hahaha!
Uninstalling that sht now. gfe too i'll just leave the drivers.
I don't even use geforce
diabolical
I’m glad I didn’t install it ! 😉👍
Bro thinks 5 fps is disastrous
5? look at the video again
you paid to have all the fps and not be a beta tester for nvidia
NVClean Install
holy shit everone in the comments are ai
bloapp ware
Video is 5 seconds too long of repeated information
imagine complaining for 5 seconds on a video...
lol click bait real it not by 50 fps now🤣
AMD software is annoying too, it resets settings every time it thinks something has gone wrong. So... uninstalled it.
It resets settings if there is instability somewhere in your system or software conflicting with it. MSI Afterburner likes to reset adrenalin settings if you don't change a setting inside of afterburner. I've used AMD Adrenalin for 4 years now and haven't seen a setting reset since i figured out MSI Afterburner was causing it in my case.
@@Nein99x I only installed afterburner after removing AMD Adrenaline. "Instability" is not always instability, it can be an issue with the game itself, with emulation etc. My pc is stable.
Too bad 3dfx went broke and sold to Nvidia.