Feuling 465 reaper cam vs S&S 475 cam / which is the best cam for your Road Glide
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Feuling 465 reaper cam install on my 2021 Road Glide
Is it better than the s&s 475 cam I had ? Which is the better cam for you ?!
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Needs to be dyno tuned correctly and you will not have that 475 “bogging” feeling. Believe it the dyno operator makes all the difference.i have same bike same cam same issues when dyno tuned at Harley. Then to a private shop and the magic happened. NO more issues.
great video.. one note. the two cams are totally different in category and purpose. The 465 reaper is a torque cam, the S&S475 is more of a hp cam that comes on stronger in the mid to higher rpm range. An apples to apples comparison would be the S&S 465 torque cam..
I agree
Have the 475 in my 19 glide with stock headpipe v&h torquer 450’s and v&h breather. Did the cam hear kit from s&s and it put down 110hp 127 torque dyno tuned. No bogging very crisp and extremely healthy. Nasty cam and I love it.
My 2 cents (based on actual experience)...Not familiar with Feuling's 465 cam, but I am familiar with the S&S 465 cam and the S&S 475 cam. Also, The Wood 22XE appears to be a great cam, definitely worth considering for Touring, 2-up, etc. (just saying).
IMO and based on the valve timing events of these two S&S cams: the S&S 465 cam works very well in stock compression 107 (10.0:1)/114 (10.5:1)/117 (10.2:1) M8's. It has a nice chop at idle and more importantly [where Torque is desired in the low-to-mid range, and hits early] works extremely well in a Touring Chassis Harley, riding 2-up, and riding in the curves up in the hills, etc. On a 2021 RGS 114, I can feel the torque coming on early (below 2000 rpm), very strong mid-range (2750-4000+), and plenty of power from 4500-5000+. The S&S 475 cam (IMO needs more compression, 10.75:1 to 11.0:1), as when installed in a stock compression engine, gives up some low end torque but "seems" to have more midrange torque (3000-4500) and nice power on the top end, provided the Tune is spot-on. I always run a long (full) 2-1 exhaust (and 18mm wideband O2 sensors), ventilate the crankcase (Trask M8 checkvent), and tune with Dynojet Power Vision (PV3b for 2021-2023 Harleys).
I've heard similar comments about the S&S 465, I was leaning that way for my 21 EGS with the 107 M8. Thanks for the info.
You should include the total cost to get that type of performance . Intake, cam, pipes, tune, tuner (device), labor. That way when you’re comparing this to the Challenger you can explain to your audience that the Harley runs as good as the Indian but it costs $5000.
Set of slip ons and breather be around 1200.Tuner with dyno tune 1000. Cam chest kit 2000. Labor 800 to
Install that. So about 5-5500 Canadian.
I been riding too many years. Im 64 now. I do not understand the bogging you speak of. I know what bogging is, but we avoid bogging by being in a gear where your rpms are not bogged down. I have a 2019 Cvo Limited 117 with Bassani headers, 4inch Rineharts, an S&S 475 cam and a fuel moto tuner. 35k on her now.. All I can say is she has plenty of power in any gear. 6th gear you really need to be at 80 mph or above to use 6th gear. Acts like an overdrive trans gear.
5th and below has all the power. Great video and thanks for taking your time to make it and explain everything. Nice job.
I believe the point he is trying to make is that the 475 cam comes on around 2700 to 3000 rpms vs the 465 comes on at 2000 rpms. so it is more of a torque cam.
My bad. Thank you!
@@jimbo4260 No problem, I also been riding for a longtime now at the age of 65 soon. Boy how time flys. I bought a 2022 SGS with a 114 and went through 2 cams so far. First a SE .447 and now the S&S 465 more of a torque cam. I do like it at low RPMs you can't beat it. The S&S 475 really shines with a 124 Big bore kit. It idles off like at 130 or 140 foot lbs of torque. I am not sure if I want to spend the money again on another cam but I am looking at the Star Racing 30-30 cam with a 64 mm throttle body and manifold. It's all about the money and my bike rides okay for a solo rider. check out the videos on the MHP 485 cam it is the Star 30 30 cam. amazing numbers.
@James-x1z Hi James....yea bike parts are like tattoos...once ya start it's hard to stop. However money is not what it was back in the day so I've chilled out. The 475 in my 117 I'll say, is plenty of power for me at all speeds. I'm mainly a highway cruising guy. 75-80 mph. I can't say I have any complaints with getting out of the way, at any rpm. MAYBE A PROFESSIONAL TUNE in the future ..." maybe." Lol, but I'm happy as is.
@@jimbo4260 I agree with you about the s s 475 cam at highway speeds, very nice. It's a mid-to-high cam. Happy riding and be safe.
For me in my 114 I run the Woods performance torque cam. Love it. Comes on at 2000 rpm right to 6500. For me Woods all day.
I’ve herd good things about woods. Great sound to
Is that the 22xe?
I’m running the CR480 MT in my 114. Riding 2 up fully loaded with full tank and luggage With a total weight 1440 pounds. I can’t complain about the 11:49 torque the bike feels strong, pulling that type of weight and all 6 gears. Even in six gear just by rolling the throttle I can hit a 100 mph with little effort.
I had the Feuling 465 and D&D billet cat. 111 hp 118 tq in a 2018 RGS. Came on strong at 2300’ish rpm. I now have a 22 CVO Rd Glide Limited and I’m going to run the 30/30, 64 mm throttle body and manifold.
I have a friend with a 22 RG limited w/114. He has the 475, D&D and 55mm manifold. That bike is NASTY!!!
The Zippers RS 468 is a great cam for my RKS. Awesome TQ cam that pulls all the way to the redline. Also, running KW exhaust with a Fuel Moto header pipe.
best cam out there. my 114 is pulling 118/133.
Just put a 475 in a 107 tuned with TTS. It falls on it’s face under 2k, but pulls like a train 3 to redline. If you use it for around town, low speed, it’s definitely not for you. Highway passing and riding at speed, it’s good to go.
Right on 👍🏽
because its not a torque cam if you wouldve looked at the dynos the 475 doesn't come in till about 3200rpm & the 465 at about 2500rpm
@@wateva1659 think I bought, installed and tuned my bike without knowing what I was getting into? Just sharing my experience for those that do not know.
Thanks for the footage marvel The exhaust velocity (often misworded as back pressure) definitely slows down with the oversized mufflers affecting low end torque. The quality of the tune could also be an issue. As far as the sheet starting at 2000 RPM, that is just a common RPM range that tuners usually start the graph because people do not (or at least should not) realistically cruise under that range. Personally, I try to keep cruising RPM around 3000, but that's a separate discussion.
I've heard lots of people say the 475 just isn't a good low end cam. This is incorrect. In many of the instances it is due to what I just mentioned: poor exhaust combination and/or poor tune. I'm confident you can get that torque back, or even improved with the right exhaust combo and/or tuning resolution.
Finally, someone who understands exhausts. I cringe every time I hear back pressure.
Marvel, you forgot, zippers 468 hands-down best small size cam! Fueling not quite enough, s@s is rough. 468 pulls longer and stronger. With a smooth ride,
There is no “best” cam, hence the reason builders use multiple brands/sizes. It’s the use that dictates what you should choose.
Yes, 468 fits most, especially wanting a good dependable stage 2
I’ve herd great things about zippers.
It's a good compromise between a 465 and a 475.
The 468 does make your bike run a little hotter though
I’m running the 30/30 .485 Star Racing Cam. I loving it
💪🏽 great cam
what about the 3/4 Race Milwaukee 8 Cam .585 from Star Racing. Why doesn't anyone talk about that?
@@BM-uj7rt question. Is that a hp cam or Tq cam?
@@BM-uj7rt Cause it's too much for a stage 2, and even for a stage 3, it's basically a race cam for stage 4.
Just an observation I see a lot. I hear a lot of people rave about how smooth their cam is and how great it is at 2k rpms after they get rolled by bikes with the S&S 475 cam. Another factor not talked about is the S&S is cheaper. Just some thoughts. Btw, 119/130 is what mine was. Just be happy with what ya got. I had a torque cam before didn't like it.
Hands down the best cam in a 114 bagger is the WM8 22XE. Pulls from 1800 to 6500 no problem. Torque cure is completely flat line right across until it meets the HP curve. Best cam on the market. My opinion
It’s just a little rough on the valvetrain
I have not heard this.. can you elaborate more?
@@marvelharris9540 power
I was asking about the valve train issues? I had not heard this before @@iginogasparini3369
@@marvelharris9540 woods cams are notorious for steep ramp angles.
30/30 , s/s 55mm aluminium intake, arlen ness Big Sucker, tab mufflers and stock pipe modified 119hp /120tq on 107 EGS. Aluminum intake manifold will help too.
I had the S&S 465 in my 2020 softail standard. Damn good cam! Made the bike feel light as a feather. The cam I’m going with in my new Road glide standard is gonna be the Red shift 468. Gonna see how that one performs this time around.
Please Let me know Results Thanks Manny Cheers
I love my S&S 475 cam, it is truly a beast of a cam.
It is 👍🏽
S&S 475c is the way to go for me and my set up cause it's a loud chopping idle that I love but the sound is insane
But I know what you mean about the low speed of the 475c
But I don't mind if I have to down shift at lower speed to get that lugging out😅
Star 30-30 love the sound and performance
Now i know what to mess up my warranty with😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I guess I put myself right in between with a Zippers 468 on my 17 Ultra Limited,..crazy torque all the way up to 5 - 5500 rpms..like the 900 lbs. was nothing. A 2-1 modified Shark Road Exhaust completed the aggressive grunt so I am pretty happy fast-lane rocker 😜✊🏻
Sound & torque can’t beat the cr483 with Freedom sharp curve radius exhaust 👌
Great video man, that star cam has a 485 lift. Id choose the fuelimg as well tho...only for keeping the components the same, i like the fueling cam plate and pump better too..
Fueling also has that new air filter with that machined intake that looks amazing. If i ever trade my twin cam in for a m8 itll be all fueling parts. I have fueling 525 cams in my twin turd now...they saound damn good and perform awesome too
Yea they make all around great parts. I’ll be adding those breathers in if I go back in to the motor for a stage 3
I have the S&S on my RGS. It rips hard from 3,000 rpm on up. I went with a CR480 torque cam on my RG CVO and it pulls really hard from 2,000-4500. If I snap it I'm sure the bike will go up
Great comparison MK! I’m currently running the TTS 175 cam on a CVO RG 117. Not a heavy chop like the S&S but it gets busy once you get on it.
Currently running an S&S 475 cam and love the sound, especially at idle. What i dislike is the low end power. The bike doesn’t come alive until 3000+. If I change the cam it would be for one that the peak power comes in sooner.
Great cam but Very true
get the 465 its the torque cam & a world of difference & pulls all the way
I recognized some of those roads hey. Cool stuff. I’m putting the Reaper in my 2020 Street Glide just put 4 Cannons on and adding K&N air intake
I have the S&S 465 cam chest kit in my 17’ SGS and really love the low end torque I have!
Love to get the Krome Werks 2 into 1 in the future!!
I went with 30/30 Star racing cam on my 2022 Lowrider S, its pretty nice
That cam is awesome guys at the torque shop swear by it
2020 FXLRS , Diamond Bar choppers, CA, 475 cam, TTS tuner, TBR 2 into 1 , HPI intake …. Game over
475 and Tbr exhaust is the setup on my low rider s
I just got the 475 and pairing it with the tab performance 2-1-2 head pipe can’t wait
Marvel, mine came with the harley torque cam installed.. I’ve only installed myself..the 2into 1 D&D, 55mm Intake mani port and polished, Tmann intake, vision tune by DC Cyclez 116/130…not sure if I’m going big bore yet so I don’t want to change the cam yet…
What about the zippers 468 cam?
Let me add my 2 cents I have the S&S 475 and my bike has 81k miles on it..I have a D&D exhaust…got it dyno it made 117 hp 120 tq…the bike runs great…
I have the red shift .468 and love it…
I don't know anything about the Fueling cam but I know and own the s&s 475 and it is NOT a Toruqe cam at all straight up HP cam! It does have some of the low end short falls but can be taken out by a good tuner and someone who knows how to tune.
FXDR 114 ,CR485/cast 55 manifold,55 tb/6.2inj, 129.80/132.40 sae PV/dyno ,S&S 2-2 , tq would hit real early with good bagger 2-1, this thing pulls like crazy & keeps going
Really.... the 475 is the torque cam? Compare the 465 S&S torque cam with the reaper & see the difference. This is taken from the S&S website!
475 - 100 HP Cam
Bolt in 100 Horsepower! (when coupled with intake and exhaust)
Perfect for 107" and 114" engines
Compatible with all stock valve train components
50-State compliant version available
465 Torque Cam
Improved Torque and HP
Perfect bolt-in cam for heavy touring bikes
475 is a horse power cam. 465 is the torque cam. 475 is a beast in the higher rpm range.
Others have mentioned it, so I will to, Zipper's/Red Shift cams ?
Got 2024 street bob after a 465 cam riding streets, not highways is this good choice
Ok - I just picked up the 23 Streeg Glide ST, what cam and exhaust configurations would be best for taking trips and getting down and dirty in the twisties.
Good review of similar priced cams. The view from your bike is awesome with gauges right up front. If I ever go the cam route it will be a set of CVO take-off SE-255 cams. Can be had pretty cheap after the doctor and lawyers have the local dealer install cams on their CVO they’ll never ride. Riders should install whatever they’ll benefit the most from. Some folks get angry cams they can’t ride across town with just to sound cool.
Hey kid that’s a nice bike I ride the same bike 2020 though with the 447 cam but you know I was thinking keep the same cam and go bigger else where
I put a 475 in a breakout after listening to the lope of it in your video on the lowrider
But coming from a screaming eagle torque cam it did bog alot off the light and low revs
On an open road it was great and ofcourse pulled harder but in traffic tbh the s/e cam was better and snappier
Probably wouldve kept it if i knew that before and saved money😅
The sound was almost worth the low end dip though as said it is a monster and turns heads
Since sold it anyway
Can you comment at all on how the star 30/30 feels and if it bogs at low revs like that because on a tourer i dont want that and i know you rode that road glide a while back with the star cam
I think the rs468/ s&s465 or your cam suits a tourer better
interested to hear if the star 30/30 has a bottom end dip on heavy tourers? because it makes good hp numbers but havnt had the chance to ride one
Leaving exhaust variations etc out of it and just general speaking ofcourse
I think the red shift 468 is a good alternative to the s&s 475, definitely smoother.
Otherwise an 465 s&s or fueling would be the perfect compromise.
But honestly on a touring i would pick the screamin eagle torque cam, at least it sounds way better than stock and is rideable.
@@pierfrancescotancredi8353 agree with the rideable side of the s/e cam
Havnt had any experience other than that or the 475
Would be lovely to try the inbetweens
Very keen to hear how the 30/30 goes for bottom end in and out of traffic
If its still lacking there i think ill try the 468 or fueling 465 next time round
The s/e torque cam was great for dipping traffic but after 3.5k rpm its hard to tell a difference in pull from stock
I only had it for a short time but it was enough to have fun thats for sure
The s&s 550 cam is good
IMO its all about the tune done from a dyno.
you do cam chest/oil pump as well with those cam upgrades???
cycle rama 483 cam best m8 cam best for hp and tq and best sounding cam
That’s the one that’s going on my new bike
Why did you do away with the Harley SE torque cam?
great video, what would be a good cam for my 22 Fat Bob 114? It’s my commuter bike, ride solo in Los Angeles traffic usually never go past 90 MPR and total weight with gear is about 200 lbs.
also looking for a 2-1 I can buy in California
I just did the S&S 465 in mine, same bike, its all the power in the usable RPM range, down low where you need it & still plenty on top, sound at idle and on the gas is just as good as the 475, I don't understand why anyone still buys the 475, although I've seen a few who switched from the 475 to the 465 and were happy they did...Anyway, lots of good cams out there, but you can't go wrong with 465 IMO
Have you ever ran the Woods 22X or 22XE can=m on M8?
I haven’t I’ve herd great things about it though
I’ve got the 475 in my RG. 118hp 131tq. Soon to do a 128 with a 492 moonshine cam.
Nice I did a 122 on my low rider s with the 475 and that thing was a beast
@@Marvelkid87 oh yeah I remember 🤘🏻
thought the S&S 475 was a power cam?
No
Of the S&S bolt-on cams, the 465 would be the torque cam, 475 moves that rev range to a point of actually losing toque in the low range, compared to the stock. Once it comes out of 2.5-3, it’s straight up.
You are right and he's wrong. 465 is the torque cam.
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I will never ride out east. Nothing east of the Mississippi..just to many damn cars.
I just came back from trip to NH and you’re right nothing but traffic, toll roads, and semi’s. A few nice roads in PA around Tioga made the trip memorable.
The truth is!!!!! Any cam upgrade is better than stock.! Stock is for jocks.....
Have you tried the Star Racing 3030 cam?
I have it’s a great option a few of my friends have it
That 'bogging' you're talking about isn't it bogging, it's the chop of the cam. If you're not used to bigger cams and don't want that lope (that I personally love), you should have gone with the 465 which is the 'smoother' feeling cam down low and for more torque down low.
You should be happy to ditch the NY tag. Congrats
My number ! 117
Perhaps the S&S 475 was bogging down for you because it was not properly tuned.
Nah, the S&S 475 just makes no low end power. Had a friend with a 114 FXDR, and that guy had to always half clutch it to raise the rpm’s up to get the bike going. His top end was straight scary though. That cam is for bigger displacement than a 114. It’s doable, but not street friendly.
It all depends on back pressure of the pipe and tune I thought