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@Vincent Valentine It's a fun ride, some of us enjoy it.
@Vincent Valentine I mean if you think about it. It makes sense. Not to mention if it was Zacks materia. It's still cloud wielding it on the buster sword in that scene
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I always just assumed that it was because Sephiroth was infatuated with Jenova that he wasn't paying attention.
lol
Yeah that makes sense too.
Your right! it is the reason not due anything from materia.
Yeah I don't think the materia has anything to do with it.
It's a slight enhancement. Anything to give an edge, but a fun little detail
And in FFVII Rebirth, if you look at Cloud’s stats during the flashback, all of his stats are lower than Sephiroth’s except for one: Luck.
craps god
@@BltzZ the secret to beating sephiroth is in the golden saucer gambling and gladiator battles... makes sense
I haven't played rebirth yet......... I may wait for pc release. But it's difficult.
@@Apollo-ComputersThe game will drive you crazy. No joke. There are fantastic parts. You have been warned.
@@Apollo-Computersbro I was doing that, I gave in and bought one this past weekend. I spent 25 hours in the last 3 days on that game so far, not counting the time I used to read the walk through lol
Sephiroth: "Ah yes, mother- wait why im entering combat?"
Sephiroth: why do i hear boss music
@@Dead_Hitori
Sephiroth: Why do I hear normal encounter music?
@@cs8712when you get out of a boss fight at 1hp and still need to find a save point
Why I hear chocobo music?
"Activating Combat Mode"
According to crisis core sephi was also massively sleep deprived and was losing it mentally when this encounter happened.
And had just fought Zack at that moment.
It's pretty clear in FFVII that Sephiroth was going full bananas here as well.
@@pablotomasllodra4423 yeah I figured that boss fight was kind of a way to justify it since Zack and Sephiroth shouldn’t be that different in skill talent power etc at this point in time. Since it’s demonstrated that Genesis and Sephiroth are different in strength but not tremendously and Zack beats Genesis. He’s insane but fights Zack and beats him narrowly then gets distracted and gets stabbed by a grunt and falls into the life stream which is what really finishes him off. And then he basically comes back a god.
@@_Tizoc_ I think those subsequent titles shouldn't be given the same creedence, whether they are 'canon' or not. But, w/e, sure that's not how it works.
As someone who first played the game in '98, and then several times throughout the following decade (not to mention a couple times since)
... It seems so against the point and theme to suggest that Zack would be 'close' to Sephiroth.
If he stands as such in current canon, it is not due to original intent, but due to Square-Enix's greed and need to shill out spin-offs....
Like, The flashback.
Clouds false memory, he was superimposing himself onto Zack.
That fight before Nibelheim, and the whole way to the reactor.
'Clouds' Power level would reflect Zack's, right?
An itty baby compared to Sephiroth. Strong compared to normal people, no doubt.
But if it is now canon that Zack would be within punching distance of Sephiroth is absolutely ridiculous.
I think you're just struggling to understand what a SOLDIER is even in the original. Its the most elite group of warriors on the planet. Cloud was never one of them. We don't know many of them in the original work, just Zack and Sephiroth. THE only character positioned in the same space as Sephiroth in the original game is Zack. IDK though the second flashback with Zack is more robust but also miss-able maybe you never watched it. The main thing we know in the original is that Zack was strong and Cloud was weak and that Cloud through experimentation did eventually also become strong. But he had to be carted around by Zack in order to survive his ordeals (and once again by Tifa in the main timeline but I digress). Another thing we know is that Cloud was not yet strong at the time he sucker punched Sephiroth into the lifestream. One of Cloud's major character developments is his coming to terms with his dependence and inter-connectedness with other people. He's strong but a major source of his strength is relying on the strength of others. His stroic and independent cynical attitude belies a history of weakness and dependence on other people and accepting that makes him more powerful. The other thing is that Sephiroth in the original game becomes much more powerful after falling into the lifestream, the godlike version of him is a result of his death and resurrection. And that's why it takes a full team of adventurers to go up north and slay him. He was the most powerful SOLDIER but nothing compared to what comes later. It's never been an unreasonable assumption that Zack would be close to his power in a relative sense at that time in the story. @@PraxisAbraxis
I remember when this theory became popular several years ago. Then we started to think about how it was actually Zack who had the materia, but then that didn't matter because Zack had the materia equipped in the buster sword, which Cloud used when he attacked Sephiroth.
It was all really well thought out by the developers.
Precisely!
This game I played when I was 14. I am 41 now. Still my number 1 of all times
I have 2 times summon equipped with nights o t round. I can multiply this with mimic granted at a slight lower damage. I'll do an omnislash and 4xtimes Ultima on ya!
Meanwhile the devs are like "we just thought that it was a good time to debut the pre-emptive strike materia, but okay." 🤙
@@SCRaetz This tbh, I highly doubt they thought of that.
Sephiroth: Mother, I've come to save you!
Cloud: Activating Combat Mode!
That guitar riff just played in my head 😂
@@nobodyspecial115 Which one?
@@ezrawyvern6795 the standard encounters in Crisis Core
real. @@nobodyspecial115
😂😂😂😂
Preemptive strike served one purpose, it allowed Cloud to have a single attack during combat before Sephiroth annihilates all enemies with mastered magic. It was their way of comparing his attacks to Sephiroth’s which was a genius move to further illustrate the vast ocean of power between the party and Sephiroth at this point in the game.
based
Then to put further emphasis on his power, just after this they intend for you to get a chocobo to get past the Zolom only for you to immediately see Sephiroth kebab'd one of them.
It's definitely part of his power showcase.
@@Game2590 actually the majority of the game you're just chasing a Numbered remnant that because of the Jenova cells he stole from Shinra HQ was able to manifest as a Sephiroth copy. This is why when Cloud confronts him in the ship he doesn't know who Cloud is and asked what his number was.
Ahh but it wasn't cloud. It was Zack until the last point. We never saw cloud attack then.
@@garwynrosser8907 Yes, correct. But it was Cloud in the flashback having the preemptive strike, Zack never had that. I said Cloud to make it easier to understand.
He also lifted sephiroth after being impaled and chucked him into the reactor. This was pre Hojo experiments
This is the part I don't get and never have
@Game_and_Anime_Master how cloud lifts seph while impaled and chucks him and the sword over
@@jessensloan6692Cloud actually is physically as strong as Zack but never made it into 1st Class due to his mental health, not his physical! That’s also half the plot is showing you how unstable Cloud’s mentality is
@@ann._.skz21 he was mentally unstable throughout the game because of Hojos experiments. Not because he needed Prozac.
He literally wasn't as strong or as impressive as Zack. It wouldn't even be as interesting if he were. Stop trying to force cloud lifting sephiroth while selfie sticked BY THE SELFIE STICK. Why didn't seph just let go, for example
@@jessensloan6692he wasn't as strong but he was physically above normal humans. He fell into a cliff as a kid and only scraped his knees, plus the sephiroth situation. Cloud didn't get into soldier because of his mental state. Also seph was arrogant af at that time, vastly mentally unstable and injured heavily by cloud so makes sense letting go wasn't his first thought. He didn't think cloud was a threat.
It also helps that Seph was drinking his own kool-aid hard during this scene and you could have probably snuck up on him on the Highwind at that point
Can we get a mod to change Cloud’s model to the Highwind?
Hahaha, this...😂
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Well done, sir 😂
For all the useless complaint fan of the old games complaint, THIS is actually something that is missing in the latest actual link between gameplay and story, just like Rude will never attack Tifa in battle cause he has a crush for her.
If you played all of the games then you would know who actually killed sephiroth 🤦🏽♂️
Does that mean Reno won't attack Aeris?
@@5orgen51 No he has no sentiment toward Aeris he specifically don't attack Tifa cause he is in love for her.
@@5orgen51Tseng is the Turk who likes Aerith
tseng is the guardian of the last ancient...aerith😅perhaps
There was a theory that since nibelheim is located in a place where mako is abundant. kids who grew up there are vinherently strong. like tifa and cloud.
U funny
I think there is validity to this. Especially considering child cloud and Tifa surviving a massive fall. The game does make it clear that Mako corrupts more often than it improves, so you'd be in a Spiderman situation, where the heroes are lucky, and almost everyone else that seeks power through science is unlucky.
This is especially true for naturally forming materia (knights of the round) and can also explain why cloud was a "failed" experiment.
@@garwynrosser8907 Knights of The Round ain't anywhere *near* Nibelheim tho
Or, he’s got MOXY
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Duuuudeee, mind blown. It never occurred to me that was why he had that. However, it was probably more than that since he faced down the wounded Sephiroth after. Cloud had talent, Zack saw it, and so did others. A big part of the story was him overcoming that mental block to reach his full potential.
that was fun god i love this game
Nice find!
It reminds me of how Cait Sith has "Manipulate" equipped both serving as a meaning for being a puppet manipulated by a human, and that they are acting as a Shinra Spy for the beginning portions of the game.
Haha that's one I have written down to make too!
Good one.
Yep...exactly. Makes me want to go back and look at every character when they joined the party. Because Yuffie came with Throw lol.
It also makes sense of how he was able to make himself a party member. 😅
This blew my mind lmao I never thought about that
One of the great examples of devs using gameplay to tell story 🔥
FF7 pioneered environmental storytelling and not Half-Life! 😱
"The answer was right in front of us the whole time."
[shows game footage of Tifa running]
To be fair cloud isn’t exactly just a normal guy either. When he was 9 he and tifa fell of a mountain. and while she almost died and was in a coma for 7 days.
My guy just got scraped knees. It isn’t exactly normal for kids to be that tough
He used her to brake his fall.
@@EnigamiNetshinobi we literally saw them land apart from each other
@@EnigamiNetshinobi I like that image, Cloud holding Tifa like a human shield as they plunge towards the floor
Was also stabbed through the stomach and managed to lift a man far taller than himself and toss him with the sword lodged in his belly over the barrier.
@@hootle4641 i think that was just him using his inner strength to avenge the girl he has loved since childhood and has been to afraid to show her
And then Cloud used "Throw enemy into the reactor" attack that he learned from the Plot Armor Materia
That's not what plot armor is or how you're supposed to use the term. Jesus why are people so bad at literary concepts
@@davemccombs Cloud wasn't like Zach I don't know why he had the strength to lift sephiroth off the ground when he was in the air suspended on a sword that was in his chest. Be wrong louder.
Dude that is plot armor
Nah that was his Limit Break coming out from the emotional extreme, something that all humans canonically have on Gaia but isn't always awakened, so another gameplay thingy integrated into the narrative.
It’s not plot armor clown it’s literally the plot centering around why hojo captured cloud as a test subject
sephiroth had his earpods in
A fun theory..but most likely untrue. Sephiroth was enthralled with jenova and didnt see or hear cloud creep on him. During the flashback, cloud says "they gave me some new materia, I cant wait to try it" meaning shinra gave the pre-emptive materia to Zack so an inexpierenced soldier could be of help to sephiroth. Its not far off to assume shinra soldiers may be given materia like that too but that would be to increase awareness, kind of like a stimulant. See enemies before they see them? Its hard to imagine pre-emptive materia muffles foot noise,or obscure vision or lowers someones presense .This is a fun theory though! ❤
Always figured Cloud was born in Nibleheim, which had the first prototype reactor. Bets that the reactor leaked like a sieve, causing near-Soldier levels?
26 years later and we're still finding cool things!
This is a cool explanation but it’s more logical to think Sephiroth was so preoccupied with Jenova that he just wasn’t aware or paying attention to what was going on around him at the time
Yeah, that materia is simply that, a cool detail. I doubt it's the canonical reason, as that materia doesn't exist in Crisis Core.
@@Xeno_Solarus yeh man totally. It’s not uncommon for people to be easily taken by surprise when they are preoccupied and their attention is elsewhere.
Why would it literally not be canon? Materia is canon in universe.
The only thing that really explains is something we already had an explanation for. Seph got ganked because he was too focused on Jenova. He was too arrogant and believed that nobody could touch him, let alone some little Shinra guard like Cloud. He had no reason to turn around.
The question isn't how Cloud snuck up on Sephiroth. It's how he managed to nearly kill him with a single stab, and then annihilate him further into the reactor. Zack, it is not only stronger than Cloud, but also had tons more experience and disposing of SOLDIERs was nearly killed by Sephiroth. Preemptive attack materia doesn't increase your strength. That was all Cloud.
The preemptive material was likely only added so that less enemies got a shot off on Cloud/Zack, making you feel less puny as Sephiroth killed everything.
Ok but explain how sephiroth puts his sword through clouds abdomen, only for cloud to lift sephiroth off his feet, sword still inserted, and toss him off a ledge down into the reactor...
Tard rage
because Cloud wasn't weak or inadequate in the end. He was phenomenal.
Adrenaline
@@Windraesa this took place in the beginning
@@CreamerOfTheDairySquad yep.
FF7 has been one of my favorite games since I was a kid. I've played it until the in game timer maxed out, and that's just one save file. I've beaten it more times than I can count. I knew Young Cloud had pre-emptive strike and STILL never made the connection to him getting the jump on Sephiroth. Amazing. Thank you.
Another similar easter egg occurs when you first meet Cait Sith. He basically forces you into letting him come with you. And he has the "Manipulate" materia equipped. Just two of the clever ways the writers used materia in the worldbuilding in very organic, understated ways.
I always thought of Pre-Emptive materia as granting the user a Spider-Sense-like awareness of their surroundings, so that not only are they never caught off guard in a battlefield, but also quick enough and aware enough to get the drop on the enemies
I wanted to say that they should add this in Rebirth but they can't because of the Battle System. All they can do is change the Materia so if you attack an enemy from the back you deal more damage.
That's a good idea I wonder how they'll go about tackling it
@@BltzZ Would be cool if we hear Caleb Pierce during the flashback in place of Cloud.
@@MariusBoss11458 Damn, that would be crazy. Only the fans would notice it haha.
They might be already building up to it. Remember that the ability you can learn on the Buster Sword is Focused Thrust, and you can bet that they’ll make even more new materia to justify the back attack.
Well, they could add a back attack sequence, where the enemy is facing the other way and caught unaware for 5 seconds, making every hit deal bonus damage.
Genius, that AND I'd imagine his adrenaline was all the way up with everything happening around them PLUS his grief over his mom, Tifa and the town. I'd think that combo gave him strength
I mean, in universe it's literally called a Limit Break.
One thing to point out is that Cloud is not a normal human. Cloud is physically on the same level as a SOLDIER 1st Class.
The only reason Cloud never made it into SOLDIER despite passing the physical requirements was because of his low self estimate making him mentally weak and when a weak minded person is given JENOVA cells they are taken over by the cells.
So Cloud is naturally strong physical and that was why he was able to defeat Sephiroth.
SOLDIERs have super-human strength because they're infused with Jenova cells during the process of becoming a SOLDIER. Cloud is infused with Jenova cells and Mako after the Nibelheim incident, which is why he has super-human capabilities during FFVII and not Crisis Core. It's why everyone comments on his eyes and why everyone actually believes his lie.
Hes naturally stong but not naturally on the level of soldier that took the mako infusion albeit in this case jenova cells were used but that was after the Sephiroth incident
@@dennisgoatimer1079 Cloud was on par with a 1st Class in terms of strength and capabilities. JENOVA have never fully explained how they make you better, if they even really do.
From what I remember the only difference between a 1st and 2nd class is 1st class were injected with JENOVA cells.
After Genises defected so did many 1st classes which I believe resulted in many 3rd and 2nd classes being given JENOVA cells to replenish the force they lost.
I would also like to point out that Tifa, Red, Barret, Cid and Yuffie are all able to fight on par with regular 1st in game. We really have only been shown a handful of super human 1st which makes me think that Angela, Genises and Sephiroth are capable of doing what they can because they are genetic modifications while 1st like Zack are just more skillful.
So I do not belive JENOVA cells in themselves make you stronger, they simply improve what skills the person already has
@@andrewcarlton6196 That's simply false Cloud would easily beat Barret and Tifa in a fight without game restrictions yes Tifa and Barrett and the rest are strong but without game restrictions which makes them so they wouldn't be anywhere near Cloud's level. Not all first class got Jenova cells but only first class got Jenova cells. The rest of the cast would probably make 2nd class which would be Cloud's level before the Jenova cells. The best case study for this is Zack he got the same treatment as Cloud in Nibelheim but he managed to escape unscathed from it whilst Cloud got Mako Poisoning. As Zack being already Soldier having the Mako already in him that's been mutating him leading to the experiments failure whilst Cloud was too weak both mentally and physically (the guy was stabbed with Masamune for Christ sake) that he was left vegetative for quite some time which admittedly Cloud in that state lead to Zack's death but atleast he died with honour. Zack with only Mako really pushed it to its limits Cloud eventually surpassed him as he had Mako and Jenova cells in him which yes you need skill to properly use it but still it's there. It's basically anime so there's people strong without the Mako energy like the Turks and of course Tifa (Mako could've leaked from the Mako reactor in Nibelheim) and the gang but don't underestimate the power of Mako and Jenova Cells
@@dennisgoatimer1079Vincent
People that dislike FF7 don't realise how deep and well put together the story of Shinra, the Cetra, Jenova, and the backstory of Avalanche truely is. Fate is a powerful thing.
If we're using game logic for this theory, Cloud shouldn't have been able to kill and/or injure Sephiroth because his strength isn't high enough to do. So even if he critically struck Sephiroth with the back attack bonus with a limit break, he wouldn't do enough damage to hit 3200 and change, which is Sephiroth's current HP... unless Zack damaged Sephiroth critically during their battle
Ok you're going too literal with the health lol. We've seen aerith die from one back attack yet being able to tank 50 hits and cast a limit break to negate all damage. Items also are not canon, which is why there is a separate "Key Items" Menu. For stuff we see referenced and used in the story.
"Game logic" in the sense of how materia functions and works.
That is actually pretty slick.
What a cool little detail.
There are lots too that I can't wait to share you guys
The only reason cloud ever got that close and even struck sephiroth let him, sephiroth literally stated he would join with the Lifestream and use the planet to travel the universe as a god. He only let people think he died so could enact his plan without disruption.
Thats after he fall to the lifestream n learn more..
Sepiroth planing to get away with jenova head.. Not to join lifestream..
But cloud fight back n toss him back in the direction he once came n accidently sent him to live stream..
N sepiroth lose the jenova head that he purposely carried with him
To be more precise with this, Cloud himself didn't equip the materia on the Buster Sword, Zack did.
So Cloud basically gained the materia's effects when he grabbed the sword, but you also need to understand that since it's only one star, it was just a small chance, so Cloud basically got really lucky that Sephiroth was really distracted, otherwise, he would've been dead bfeore he even got close.
So simple yet so genius. Thank you sir
It's crazy!
This is not why pre-emptive materia was slotted to Zack/Cloud.
“I challenged Sephiroth and lived. Why didn’t he kill me?”
Moments prior it is revealed that Cloud/Zack didn’t know how materia works.
🤯 🤯 🤯
My mind was in fact not blown. Cloud also just snuck up on Sephiroth while he was distracted with his mommy issues. This scene was to show that Cloud had hidden depths to his strength, because he managed to kill Sephiroth while already being impaled.
Haha, My brother shared this with me when I was like 8 watching him play it for the 20th time and I thought it was a really cool detail and I used to think materia changed all the cutscenes until I actually played the ps1 classic version on my PSPgo when I was like 15 and realized it didn't.
Cloud is a “sephiroth clone”. A true replica of Jenova. Which is why he’s the protagonist. Jenova invaded Gaia to seek refuge from the real threat. To be continued in FFVII remake Pt. 16
That's only after the fight with Sephiroth when he was powered up by pure jenova cells before then he was just a ordinary human going against a pure ancient admittedly one who already had to battle with Zack but still
He's not a clone, that's the big twist that gets debunked later. FF7 is like Rashomon: various flashbacks and people's own versions of events contradict each other and what you see in the middle is not how it actually was.
@@KasumiRINAwrong
Have you played any 7 content?… cloud isn’t a clone lol. He got experimented on with Genova dna or whatnot. But he isn’t a clone.
@@DOC_951 I always felt that they used the word "Clone" as a reference to trying to copy Sephiroth's power trough experimentation. Not actually a full on clone from birth.
I always thought it was because the game was designed to let you actually have a turn before Sephiroth annihilated everything to see the stark difference in power between the two. Game mechanic hack on developers part. Bonus it fits in with the plot.
technically it was Zack's but still makes sense since Cloud took Zack's sword which had the preemptive materia equipped to it.
Literally the first thing I did when playing the FF7 Rebirth demo was check for the preemptive strike materia and IT WASN’T THERE 😢 I’m gutted because this was such a good detail!
Well, technically, you know who would actually have it
Sephiroth is T-posing 😂
In the truck, on the way to Niebelheim, Cloud mentions how excited he is to use his new materia. Sephiroth knew, and granted his wish.
The Pre-Emptive materia seems like a very subtle foreshadow to this scene. They knew what they were doing lol.
I played FF7 when it came out, and several times since. I honestly never thought about that.
Hey wait...Didn't Cloud also tell Sephiroth that he got some new materia and he was excited to try it?
I think he did and that's funny!
Early foreshadowing!!
Well zack did
@@kiernanthurston857 True, true.
Lol that's a great explanation for how he was able to get the drop on Sephiroth but it still doesn't explain how he survived a stabbing and managed to throw him into the mako.
Cloud wasn't regular. He was physically gifted. He couldn't join soldier due to his mental, not that he was physically lacking.
Plot Armor
I always believed Cloud’s first limit break being “Braver” fully exemplified this action - and was first fueled by keeping his promise to Tifa.
Yes theoretically you could pass it off as such however it seems more likely that he was distracted by his madness for Jenova!
I love when stories use their own gameplay within the lore
Poor phoenix down 😢 wake up galuf, Leo, aerith, tietra.
I just assumed Sephiroth was still brain hazey from his mommy's dream world to notice Cloud rush him.
In FF8 you can get initiative junction. Start the fight with full atp needed it to fight marlboros. Useful if you can one shot the enemies.
I'm more baffled as to how he lifted sephiroth with the Murasame and yeeted him off the platform when he was still a normal human (pre-Jenova cells). That was wild 😅
If we would use game logic to explain this, then Cloud would preemptive strike Sephiroth and cause about 30 damage, then Sephiroth would just hit Cloud (even with a toothpick) and cause 5000+ damage, killing him instantly.
Except he stabs him. Aerith can't be revived.
Cutscenes and in game battles are different in scope
Brilliant, man. Got me thinking, and I love that.
Always a joy to see new Final Fantasy content. Especially when it makes me wonder.
This is an old, old theory man. Still great, but it's been on the table since it came out in the 90's.
If I recall correctly it was discussed amongst other theories about the game in some playstation magazines etc.
@@soggybiscotti8425 Good to know. Of course it's a small detail but this was the first I'd heard of it. It's great when games incorporate gameplay elements into the story. Espers in FF6, Materia in FF7, and Eikons in FF16.
Cool theory! I just thought that Sephiroth was so busy with Jenova that he just didnt notice him. Still a pretty nice little detail.
Another fun detail. That materia would be Zack's, not Cloud's, since you control Zack in the flashback before Cloud realises his mind is fucked.
Cloud was always a badass
I never actually thought about that! 🤯
I always figured Cloud was a feral boar when pissed but also he was probably tapping into his limit break power. Also, Sephiroth is just absorbed by Jenova's presence, and would be arrogant about his superiority. Basically, he relaxed. Never relax around Cloud.
He's another fact to augment this. In reality, Cloud is an infantryman and might not even have his own materia. In otherwords, it's not Cloud himself who set this up. It's Zack's Buster Sword having the materia in the slot there, meaning Zack helped more than just having the Buster Sword. And Cloud wouldn't have known what materia Zack would have unless he picked it up.
I don't know if this was intentional. If it was, holy crap that's genius level story telling.
How could it not be intentional? I mean, the materia is there. It’s not there by some random happenstance. They literally put it themselves. Someone had to code that specific materia to be equipped during the Nibelheim event. What, you think someone random coder just did it for shits and giggles and yet have it coincidentally line up with what happened in the reactor and works as the explanation for how Cloud could sneak up on the greatest Solider to ever walk the earth?😂 If so then I’ve got some ocean front property in Arizona I’d like to sell you.
It's not genius level storytelling, get over yourself. It's a cool detail. That's all it is. Like Cait Sith having the manipulate materia.
@@InTheMindOfDavid It is in no way the canonical reason. The actual reason is pretty simple. It was just a moment of weakness for Sephiroth as he was enamored by Jenova.
@@Xeno_Solarus It absolutely could be a canonical reason because Materia isn’t just a game mechanic for the players, it’s also heavily integrated into the everyday life of the world of Gia narratively. SOLDIERs actually use materia. In the Flashback a Kalm, Cloud even says “I can’t wait to try out that new Materia I got.” That right there establishes Materia as a narrative device, and then what do we see is in one of Cloud’s Materia slots? That Materia. That materia is there for a reason. Otherwise why is there? Why is it that specific materia, it could just as easily been Fire, or Cover, why not steal, or what about no materia? We don’t ever actually use it during that sequence. So it serves no purpose mechanically through gameplay so why have it there? It’s there for a narrative purpose. So that if you happen to actually look at Cloud’s equipment and see that Materia that then informs and for shadows the the outcome to scene in the Reactor. It’s the classic “show don’t tell” rule of storytelling. They’re showing us that Cloud had a specific materia equipped at that specific time allowing him to sneak up on Sephiroth. Thing are put in places for a reason, it’s not just random nonsense. That’s how storytelling works, especially visual storytelling. Which, obviously needs to be done especially during that era of game development. When it come to massive plot points in a story nothing is happenstance or doesn’t have a specific reason for being there. It’s all intentional. That moment is a PIVOTAL scene in FFVII. That scene was probably meticulously crafted due to just how important what happened in that reactor is to the whole story. They’re not gonna just put a materia there for shits and giggles and not mean for it explain how Cloud snuck up on Sephiroth. Was Sephiroth distracted swimming in his own ego and Edipus complex, yeah absolutely. But I don’t think it would prevent him from hearing cloud run up on him. He’s a Super-Soldier compared to other SOLDIERs, even among other 1st-Class SOLDIERs. He would have heard Cloud just like he had heard Zack before Cloud got there. Except Cloud had that materia equipped thus Sephiroth didn’t even know he was there. I’m not saying it’s “genius level” storytelling but it is visual storytelling and most certainly is the canonical explanation for how events went the way they did what in the Reactor. Otherwise it wouldn’t be there.
If you gonna discuss in game logic, Cloud will only deal not more than 14 damages even with preemptive 😂
By that logic a back attack should have only dealt 6K damage to my 9999 health aerith then lol
Cloud actually has insane physical stats, comparable to 1st Class soldier at the time. He just has a weak mental will and weak confidence. He doesn't remember the details of the flashback well including his own strength or Zacks. His memories are quite jumbled. After the incident and further experimentation by Hojo his physical combat abilities are even greater. He also has basically god-tier sword skills easily adapting Zack's combat style and improving upon it just from seeing it. It isn't until Mideel lifestream incident he finally overcomes his mental weakness. He is essentially a character who is grossly overpowered but totally hampered by an incredibly severe weakness.
Pre emptive strike is basically sneak attack.
In ffxi, the thier is the thief class that has sneak attack, which is, as you guessed, pre emptive strike.
The whole game is about how beneath Sephiroth invincible exterior was this fallable insecure person who wasn't the invincible SOLIDER he pretended to be. It's really fitting he got sneak attacked, it really demonstrates how Cloud got over his mental block of seeing Sephiroth as invincible and approaching him like he would a dangerous enemy who he couldn't beat in a straight up fight.
I always assumed it was because Cloud was so pathetically weak, his presence was undetectable 😂
Lmao tried the man's whole life
This is dope.
The most redilclous assumention is that cloud using a magic stone slotted into his 300 lb sword and wearing all those clanking metal "bangles" on his outfit and this stones magic either makes him quiet as a ghost or does it causes septihroth to become more distracted than he would have been if he approached with a nail bat with no material at all?? literally getting the drop on your opponent unexplainably (nobody can explain how preemptive support material would actually work, It really must just seem like divine intervention for people using the materia)
This did indeed blow mind. Well done
Of course, and Cloud would be able to hit at least 3264 HP out of Sephiroth in just one attack, makes total sense
Critical hit....not super effective...Pokémon faints
Yeah and a Phoenix Down should've revived Aerith.
Ok It's not that literal lol. We've seen aerith take atleast 50 hits in the game yet one attack from behind wipes her out. While she has a limit break that can negate all incoming damage. Items themselves are also not canon. That's why there is a separate "Key Items" menu.
@@loregasmicevery time we saw Sephiroth outside of the Northern Crater it was a part of Jenova's body he was manipulating and calling to. He made them change form but it's all Jenova. Jenova is the natural and mortal enemy of the Ancients. When "Sephiroth" stabbed and killed Aerith, the sword was essentially a sharp Jenova tentacle. Jenova Cells were now inside her. She ded. She also needed to return to the Lifestream to try and purge Sephiroth who was contaminating it.
Also.... characters are only knocked out in battle. The enemy then kills them when everyone is knocked out. Phoenix Down doesn't cure death. It's more like a smelling salt. Just like Phoenix is recovery, not resurrection.
@Theinen84 Actually, Phoenix down is just a feather used as an offering to the Phoenix. The higher the quality of the feather, the greater the recovery. An actual feather from a Phoenix would literally resurrect someone, the ones in most shops are typically chocobo chick down, and just help someone regain consciousness.
That doesn't make any sense though because "Cloud" in the fake flashback is actually Zack. So that's Zack's inventory. Cloud in the real flashback is an entirely different person, why would he still have that materia?
That's kinda the whole point of there being two flashbacks.
Sephiroth was just distracted.
Cloud did not unequip Zacks materia before stabbing sephiroth. Therefore it was still applicable. So it does make sense.
That still doesnt explain how Cloud, a baby who can barely pass as a shinra grunt at the time, could even LIFT the Buster Sword - let alone Impale Sephiroth through the leg.
Btw. This might have been the only time Sephiroth has ever felt actual physical pain - it even made him lucid again long enough to decide to kill Jenova "to be just like you." (Cloud)
I never realized this. Wow it makes sense
😑 🌴 (face palm myself for missing this all those years)
Lmao
Actually there's something else that helped out. Zach fought him first, while not a huge difference, was enough to weaken him for the final blow.
That would be Zach’s materia not clouds. He did not have any materia. Maybe when he used the buster sword he used it but it’s unlikely cloud had any knowledge on how to use materia. Really people dont understand that cloud had all the physical qualification to be a soldier but it was his self doubt that always held him back. When cloud is pushed against the wall with no other options he lets go of his self doubt and becomes a true force. There are plenty of insanely powerful humans in FF7 like Tifa, Yuffie, and Aerith so it shouldn’t be doubted.
Sephiroth was also prone to sneak attacks as he was distracted by his mother in a tube
Talk about attention to detail
1. Sephiroth wasn’t paying attention
2. Cloud is very strong, physically…even before the experiments
Nah, he was just preoccupied with T-posing for his mommy and he couldn’t be bothered to stop
Ho... Lee... Shit!!
Crazy right? 👀
I feel like maybe this is a stretch. I’ve always just assumed that Sephiroth is well aware of the fact that he’s an unstoppable force and so doesn’t even bother. He’s so focused on Jenova right then that nothing else matters
Was this really a surprise to people? If I remember correctly, the opening to the "flashback" includes a bit where "Cloud" says "I can't wait to try out this new materia I got!!", prompting the player to see what he's rocking
I have been playing FF7 over and over since it came out when I was a child and I never knew this. Good job!
Sephiroth was low on hp due to his mental and physical fatigue saying up reading for a week, then fighting a full village, then trekking to the reactor with the bridge blown out...
Sephiroth - “Why do I hear boss fight music?”
I always just rolled with the fact is, Cloud walked right up to Sephiroth and shanked him BEFORE exposition. Zack instead decided to fight Sephiroth head to head.
Given Sephiroth was both distracted at the time by Genova, and had assumed all potential foes were dealt with, it's not a stretch to say the Pre-emptive materia was the edge that gave cloud the definitive first strike.
I always assumed it was because of "story logic" and that's what the writers wanted to have happened, and didn't question it.
The real mystery is, WHO is Clouds dad? Which leads to the follow on question.....WHY is Cloud so powerful?
I was tossing around theories with my buddy. Hojo, after his tampering with Jenova cells on himself is Clouds father.
Or...
They'll never release that answer.....The possibly during Clouds mako tank period and time of Hojo experimenting on him, he was injected with cells from Jenova or Sephiroth himself.
This would explain the near psychic connection Sephiroth seems to have with Cloud and due to being tampered with for years by Hojo, was able to attain superior strength as his process to power was different than Sephiroths.
That's neat and all but FF Remake kind of makes it seems that the "Watchmen of Fate" gave cloud the strength to overcome sephiroth . As well as when he overpowered him and threw him off into the make reactor/lifestream.
Another fact, in the original version cloud dies fighting sephiroth and the character you play through the game is one of two escaped test experiments that are attempted sephiroth clones from the recovered dna sources of the niblehiem incident combined with jenova cells. The storyline was retconned to appease the vast number of fans that didn’t like the idea of not being the original.
That doesn't make any sense dude. The story has always been the same, they just tease us with the idea of Cloud being a clone but he was always the original one. I don't even know how a "vast majority of fans" could've complained about that BEFORE the game came out...
@@Sornbur Play the original Japanese release.
He's still juiced with the Soldier/ Mako, he's not some normal low level human. He's on par with 1st class Soldiers. He's seen over powering the REAL sephiroth in the flashbacks, by sheer resolve.
I always thought this was obvious. Why else would they give a SOLDIER a seemingly useless materia. And while Sephiroth was engrossed by JENOVA he SHOULD have noticed. He heard Tifa when she charged at him, to be fair she was talking to herself before hand
I didnt even think to ask i just assumed everyone lapses, but the fact they answered a question this way is brilliant. How many would be critics have missed this detail?
"Finally, we can be together... mother..."
*This action cannot be done during combat*
"Wait, during wh-?"
A lot of people cling to this detail but it would have been Zach’s inventory you are actually looking at.
Cloud was exposed to mako as a child. It's probable that his father worked at the reactor before dying and his exposure resulted in unintentionally carrying out a similar process that Sephiroth undertook by Hojo and Lucretia.
It could also explain why he was a "failed experiment". As clouds previous exposure may have rendered any attempts to make him a complete "soldier" impossible.