7:15 This is incorrect or a misguided assumption. The Aerith in the other reality is still our Aerith as when they land in that dimension both Cloud and her very obviously replaced the bodies that were resting inside Aerith's bedroom. It wouldn't make much sense if only Aerith was a completely different person and not Cloud as they crossed the lifestream at the same time. Where would that world's Cloud be, then?
This makes the most sense. It would seem that even though there are tangent universes, there somehow seems to be a link to each person. Like, Aerith is our Aerith in every tangent. Though some tangent universes fail/die, there is a link to each individual person and their tangent selves. The fabric of time and space is likely the reason they don’t share memories, with the exception being that of Aerith and also Marlene. Perhaps it has to do with her being Cetra, or her white materia as it may only be used by an ancient. Her white materia allowed her to share memories between her tangent selves, and it also seem as if she touches someone they too may see the cracks in time of the universe. Marlene being example 1 and Cloud being example 2 as he can now see ripples in the sky and he can also see Aerith.
@@rhovenom04When she goes to the timeline where Zack survived with Cloud she takes the white materia from the Aerith that Zack saved from Shinra at the beginning of the game. That's why when they return Aerith takes the full white materia and gives Cloud the empty one
I'm convinced that Cloud and possibly the others were sent to either the OG timeline or an alternate timeline by Sephiroth in which Aerith did die. Though our Aerith that we've been playing with is alive but alone in the Rebirth timeline. Since Cloud was put through multiple realities, he's the only one who can see her, while the others cannot.
Or the dying time line, but she's definitely not dead, that's what that fracture was about, you changed fate, so she was forced out of rebirth's time line and replaced with a version of her that was dead.
Pretty sure the whole story of this game is about fate not being avoidable for long, whispers or no. Cloud saved her, but then the universes merged. Leaving her fate the same as OG ff7
true but the implication is still there tho, we see aerith died in cloud arms and we also see the gang at the lake which is implied that cloud put her in that lake
@@HumbleRumbleDE People are quick to forget just how big things really are. A realistically sized world would take so long to simply travel through that you'd be sick of the game before you finish the first chapter.
@@theseekersoflight2271 6h during which you can't really do anything but wait, at that. And while some people might not mind playing a flight simulator for 6h, many simply wouldn't have the time.
It might be smaller but the short distance between areas in the game isn't necessarily supposed to reflect that. Since they can't make an entire realistically sized planet to explore, the world is sort of condensed and we're just supposed to pretend it's bigger if that makes sense. It's much like the map in Horizon Zero Dawn and Forbidden West where you're in what was once the US but it's condensed in such a way that you can explore Montana within a few minutes
You know, Sephiroth wants the multiverse... In one or more universes Sephiroth may have never gone mad with the revelation that he is related to some sort of alien parasite, or Lucrecia could have reached him sooner and done things right for one, or Hojo could have been outed before he could mess things up badly... Which means the possibility of one or more instances of Heroic Sephiroth fighting the villain one. Maybe even one case will have a Young Sephiroth being pulled out of his point in time to confront the Villainous Sephiroth.
@@Geats-IX Ironic, considering this is an example of bad anime fanfic. The nostalgic claim is weak. People are allowed to criticize inferior writing when it occurs. It has zero to do with nostalgia. Also, you know many of us still like the game, right?
Yes and if you notice people deliberately refer to monsters as Fiends - another callback that is probably just the devs messing with us because they know it's a popular theory
And one more thing, in the original, every encounter with sephiroth, was actually Jenova, and Jenova controlled Cloud. But here we see Jenova basically a puppet herself.
@@Makvandar Judging by what Sephi is trying to do, it's safe to assume that he gained control over her already, but she can be a major threat in the future. Maybe that is why Sephi asked for Cloud to join him.
The game is absolutely gorgeous piece of art, they managed to nail gameplay, characters, but just had to insert multiverse meta part that nobody asked for, the orig story was complicated enough...
Vincent in Rebirth has probably my favorite line in the whole game. "Dio." For context, to those who dont know, he's voiced by Matt Mercer who does the dub for Jotaro Kujo in Jojo who's nemesis is Dio.
This game sure looks perfect!! But they could've kept that multiverse crap out it, it has been waaay too overused everywhere already kind of sick of it...
The final part of the story will all about Zack how much he can change the fate, his timeline is a little bit later than the rebirth timeline and he can travel multiverse, but in rebirth story timeline will stay as the original version. Sephiroth said all the world will combine at the end. We will see the changes in part 3
5:00 that isn't Cloud, that is Sephiroth controlling Cloud, after it happens, Cloud is confused and is given a flash with the memory of what just happened, screaming "Tifa!"
Sephiroth's taking cues from Ultimecia's Time Kompression playbook while Kefka nods approvingly at his warmongering schemes. Meanwhile, the Weapons are out here doing their best Sin cosplay. But the real hero? Zack "Multiverse Hopper" Fair, bouncing across realities like a lost puppy. Stay golden, you glorious spiky pony boy! 🐶✨
Rather than having a multiverse as the canon, to tie-in the life/dead cycle of Lifestream makes much more sense and much more consistent with the lore.
@@Kr12B it also lines up with what the devs have said about following the OG and linking up to/adding upto AC. A multiverse wouldn’t do any of that and is counter to the themes of the original
It was confusing seeing that Cloud seemingly stopped Sephiroth from stabbing Aerith at the last moment and even knocked his sword away... but then it seems she still met her fate that we all know?
Confusing indeed. I’ve read one explanation saying that in that moment, Cloud saw visions of multiple realities, including one where he stopped Sephiroth. However, ultimately he is still in the reality where she dies. Whatever the explanation, it seems to be Multiverse shenanigans that IMO didn’t positively contribute to this story.
As Sephiroth explained, defying fate creates branch realities. By saving Aerith, he split the timeline again, where one version died & the other survived. Cloud seems to be straddling the two realities, hence he sees the giant tear in the sky & Aerith (which the other party members can't see)
What it is mostly obvious imo is that we saw two different variations of the same event, just like we say many different variations previously in Zack's event where he went to Shinra, he went to Biggs, he couldn't choose what to do, and so on. Those scenes were preparing us for that exact moment. What happened there will be answered in the next game but my theories are either Sephirot pulled another Aerith from another world that he actually killed, or he pulled the entire team to an universe where he managed to get to her. Crucial points are we didn't see two pivotal moments. Aerith being stabbed, and her burial. There must be a reasoning behind not showing them
They really shipped Clerith in this game 😅. Plus, I’m not sure Cloud knows Aerith is dead. His mind is a little…messed up, and he doesn’t deal with death well 😅
why is everyone here so negative?😅 same happened with people constantly complaining Dragonball Super and now everyone is sad about Toriyama. Be glad that the original staff is still willing to put out this banger of a game for us. If Remake and Rebirth were bad, I'd understand this anger, but the games are genuiely great. You really expected a 1:1 remake? No way a creative person is going to do a 1:1 remake of a product they'd worked of for 2 yrs some 25yrs ago. Let's be real.
If square Enix had a brain between any of them, they would of just took final fantasy 7 remake, and rebirth, turning them into one game. The first disc of the original was around 20 to 25hrs, and could easily turn that into a 80+hr game instead of turning a 7 hr opening section into a 35hr game and a 15hr open world section into a 80+ hr game.
@@unownbob123 no, they did well the way they did. you don't know how to design stories well, while Kitase, Nojima etc do. They know their craft better than you.
And nor do you, just because it has big names on it doesn't mean they know what they're doing. Every actor, writer, and director has made a bad movie or few doesn't mean they know whats best.
people are complaining about sokka not being misogynistic in the Netflix avatar the last airbender meanwhile cid in final fantasy Vll rebirth isnt portrayed as a chain smoking grouch that is stuck in the past!
for me it was the strengh of ff7. a broken cast that wasnt perferct but all had their redemption arcs. cloud with his delusions and jumbled memories of zack to cover his cowardly self. red and the facade he put to hide the shame about his father, barret and his destructive shinra hate cause of his past. cid as a man grumpy with regrets who finnaly can accomplish his dream and face the future.
Your understanding of the plot of the original is slightly off. Towards the end of this you say Sephiroth wanted to go to the Promised Lane to absorb the lifestream so he could summon meteor…butttt that’s now how it happened. Sephiroth never absorbed the lifestream in the original yet was obviously able to summon meteor. The plot of the original was that Sephiroth was going to summon meteor and then when the lifestream came to repair the damage left by the meteor Sephiroth was going to position himself at the point of impact to absorb the lifestream.
Some things make sense while others don’t (on the surface anyhow). Seph could just wipe out Shinra (or at the very least Rufus / those in power). What is the point of racing with them for the promised land? None of these figures are any level of threat to Seph or his goals.
Sephiroth can’t directly attack in the physical world, he can only operate through the black cape guys. He wants Shinra away so they can’t use the cannon against his barrier on the northern crater.
This explains something very important that no other videos I've watched so far mentions... how Aerith can no longer see the future like before due to the white Materia being empty.
Everyone leaves out what they did with poor Biggs. Otherwise this was a great summary and cleared up some of my confusion about the alternate realities.
DISCOVERY ALERT!!! Watching this video just occurred to me that the last scene of the original game is a replay of Aerith looking to that green lifestream in midgar. THAT MEANS THE ENTIRE STORY YOU PLAY AFTER THAT WAS BEING TOLD IN HER MIND AT THAT MOMENT. Aerith from the original game ALREADY HAD SEEN THE FUTURE!!! That Aerith at the end of the game IS THE AERITH FROM REMAKE!
Even if it wasn't intended, but instead just a reused shot from the start for cheaper development, to represent her watching from/to the Lifestream - this concept is still what they're going with now, yes.
It’s not a multiverse. That’s what people with braindead reading comprehension have been interpreting the ending in Rebirth as. It’s simply the livestream from og FFVII. When Aerith, Zack etc die, they appear in the “other realm” which is just the lifestream where everyone goes to after they die anyway - except here in the remake they actually show it.
The problem is while it might be a split timeline, or likely they are already Dead it's still dumb and lazy and feels like the most basic emotional tugging and oversaturation of actually feeling for the story and characters we loved
@@dragonwarriorz1maybe you should just get over it and enjoy two excellent games for what they are. Remakes in film and video game world are rarely 1 for 1 copies, and the "Remake" title was clearly meant as a play on words, seeing as the games are still mostly faithful to the original.
@@dragonwarriorz1 the title Remake is appropriate because it is a title. Literally our characters were remaking the story. The word remake wasn't just a simple adjective to describe the game. It was the title
no ones talking about how Tifa fell into the lifestream! they didnt just do that for a scene. that has to connect her to all the otherworldly things now, right?
@@LeadLeftLeon true has a way different tone. The OG was a dark depressing story about loss and corruption. This feels like kingdom hearts with FF7 characters.
Basically Aerith and Zack are force ghosts. And we are seeing them interact in such a way. They are still in the lifestream. Still dead. The developers have stated that Advent Children is still canon.
This storyline.....makes absolutely no sense. Final Fantasy had some complex themes (advent children) before they threw in a multiverse for no reason. What a nightmare.
I haven’t seen a single person talk about the most radical, most mysterious plot line, and likely most important plot line difference…..you can kiss Tifa in game as Cloud. You CANNOT do the same between Cloud and Aerith
My conclusion: It will lead the story line to Advent Children. as the OG Cloud can see The Aerith and Zack from Rebirth. we Jus Play all the Cloud with OG's and Rebirth Consciousness to have a chance to save Aerith in Rebirth. Maybe in Advent Children He still possesses both White and Black Materia. he became the keeper. that's why he always stays away from everyone.
Doubt im the only one thinking this but the final game will probably be called FF7 Reunion. Fits the whole RE theme they were going for. Remake, Remission, Rebirth, Reunion.
squarenix seems more concerned with keeping its fanbase arguing and speculating on the plot/ending... People SHOULD be talking about the amazing story and world of ff7, all the impactful events and story moments. INSTEAD, we get this... arguing about if Aerith is dead or not and trying to untangle the convoluted plot... So sad to see how ff7 has been mishandled....
such a garbage story, waited decades for a faithful remake. now when we finally get it, some 2nd rate writer has to hamfist his fanfiction into it, what a tragedy
@@av-ls5df the writer of the remake is literally the writer of the original game, the only original developer who is not present is Sakaguchi (and his absence is felt for sure)
@@itsbeyondme5560 And you want so many multiverses that there is no definitive answer to if a character is dead or alive. Literally Schrodinger's cat. If that's what you get off to hey, power to ya. Glad someone is enjoying it.
They are too different from one another both in terms of story and in gameplay. If your prefer more "anime" like characters and plot FF7 is definitely more your style. If you prefer the more western type fantasy games with grand boss-fights, then ff16 is a better choice. If the main factor for you is gameplay, then ff7 is just straight up better in side activities, RPG elements like itemization and character leveling, and combat has a far more impact with its tactical layer to it then 16s DMC-like hack and slash, that only gets impactful enough at the later half of the game.
so much to do in ff7 rebirth. ff16 for me is somewhat linear, and the quests are not interesting and repetitive. the crafting system alone in ff7 blew away ff16.
Poor Sephiroth, to conquer all universes, he had to do the same thing and say the same sentences over and over and over again like a million times? Must be super boring and go insane (oh he already is).
It's simple really. Original FF7 is a premonition that is destined to take place, where the remake is that very vision occuring in that present reality of the remake.
They show up when meteor is summoned, as the planet is in danger. They will be in the third game.....look closely at the posters in Tifa's room, they're literally foreshadowing them
Why does everyone not understand that Aerith is dead. She is not communicating with him still, he is just hallucinating because his mako poisoned brain is blocking out the memories of her death the same as with Zack.
@@Kev-O33I'm pretty sure most 15 year old humans have already gone through voice break. It's really weird to have him go from gravelly old liondog to excited anime puppy.
In my opinion, that Aerith that Cloud sees at the end of the game by the Bronco is not a spiritual Aerith. That is the Aerith he saved in the forgotten capital. Cloud does save Aerith in one world and she dies in another. Cloud is seeing two different timelines or worlds at once. More evidence for is is when cloud says "don''t look up" to the party in the last cutscene. Only Cloud can see the tear in the sky, the rest of the party can't because they never entered the temporal threshold at the forgotten capital, only Cloud did.
Red losing his memories have nothing to do with his visit to Cosmo Canyon.. you're blending two elements that are like 70 hours apart in game time. Also, no one understands what is happening with Aerith in the ending. It is purposely ambiguous to keep us talking.
It's basically had its own multiverse since Cloud and Aerith showed up in Final Fantasy Tactics. It's also been hinted that the Gilgamesh that appears in each Final Fantasy is the same character in all of them.
It was explained that he’s about 75 years old but compared to the full lifespan of his species that would only put him at around age 16/17 relative to a human lifespan. He deliberately put on an older voice to not be looked down on as a “pet” according to himself when going back to his hometown in cosmo canyon. While in his hometown he was able to reveal his normal self and was more comfortable with speaking in his regular voice with others now that the truth of his age was revealed.
In addition to what mx10589 is saying, some of the changes may have been to accommodate for Cait Sith. Unlike the original, Rebirth Cait Sith is more than just (unnecessary) comic relief, providing wise insights, progressing the narrative, and being key to situational events. But to keep some differention in the party and character roles, they may have opted to remove the wise guide role from Red XIII, and give it to Cait, while using 'child Nanaki' and exploring his character growth in that lane. Maybe in game 3, the role may shift again, to someone like Vincent/Cid. Characters tend to flip their roles in long narratives like this one, albiet temporarily.
In the OG japanese for ps1, red xiii's dialect and mannerisms change after cosmo canyon. In the US release it's not as obvious, and so in the remake they kept it more true to that
@@fosterkmasI would argue OG Cait Sith was also more than unnecessary comic relief too. He has some pretty pointed back-and-forth with Barret about Avalanche's disregard for collateral damage and "ends justify the means" attitude, and helps to humanize a lot of Midgar.
Ultimecia would like to have a word with Sephiroth about that ever elusive Time Kompresion.
Thats what im saying this storyline should be the ff8 remake
it would be MAD if they end FF7 with a cross over of FF8 with Ultimecia peeking in
lol she’s still tryin to figure it out
SEEEEEEED!!!!
Im not suprise since the game went full kingdom hearts 😂
7:15 This is incorrect or a misguided assumption. The Aerith in the other reality is still our Aerith as when they land in that dimension both Cloud and her very obviously replaced the bodies that were resting inside Aerith's bedroom. It wouldn't make much sense if only Aerith was a completely different person and not Cloud as they crossed the lifestream at the same time. Where would that world's Cloud be, then?
They don't understand what they are seeing because they don't understand all the source material past the original ff7. This video is terrible.
This makes the most sense.
It would seem that even though there are tangent universes, there somehow seems to be a link to each person. Like, Aerith is our Aerith in every tangent. Though some tangent universes fail/die, there is a link to each individual person and their tangent selves. The fabric of time and space is likely the reason they don’t share memories, with the exception being that of Aerith and also Marlene. Perhaps it has to do with her being Cetra, or her white materia as it may only be used by an ancient. Her white materia allowed her to share memories between her tangent selves, and it also seem as if she touches someone they too may see the cracks in time of the universe. Marlene being example 1 and Cloud being example 2 as he can now see ripples in the sky and he can also see Aerith.
No no no no. This is more confusing. If its the same aerith, then why does she have the white materia fixed again?
@@rhovenom04When she goes to the timeline where Zack survived with Cloud she takes the white materia from the Aerith that Zack saved from Shinra at the beginning of the game. That's why when they return Aerith takes the full white materia and gives Cloud the empty one
You are indeed correct, whats why cloud wakes up confused asking where are they
Cloud's descent into being Sephiroth's willing puppet & him trying to maintain his humanity was a major highlight of this game. 👌
Final Fantasy and the Multiverse of Madness
final fantasy after marvel's dr strange
What's kinda interstering is that the words 'Multiverse of Madness' was spelt using the same Final Fantasy font in the Marvel movie.
Cloud needs to summon Doctor Strange on his Materia speed dial.
Exactly, garbage
Sadly
I'm convinced that Cloud and possibly the others were sent to either the OG timeline or an alternate timeline by Sephiroth in which Aerith did die. Though our Aerith that we've been playing with is alive but alone in the Rebirth timeline. Since Cloud was put through multiple realities, he's the only one who can see her, while the others cannot.
Yeah we won't know until we see a bag of chips
Pretty sure hes just jenova poisoned and its not real
Or the dying time line, but she's definitely not dead, that's what that fracture was about, you changed fate, so she was forced out of rebirth's time line and replaced with a version of her that was dead.
Pretty sure the whole story of this game is about fate not being avoidable for long, whispers or no. Cloud saved her, but then the universes merged. Leaving her fate the same as OG ff7
👏
No one has had it worse than my boy Zack.
Don’t forget, you don’t actually see aerith get stabbed or sink into the lake. Both parts hit the feels hard
true but the implication is still there tho, we see aerith died in cloud arms and we also see the gang at the lake which is implied that cloud put her in that lake
@@aidiruikki Yes but as the audience we have been intentionally denied that scene. He spoke the lines but they were muted.
@@aidiruikki it’s not the same
Maybe they will put it in part 3 for a recap
But the Aerith at the Church definitely died after sacrificing herself
Its similar to her ability in combat
The remake made me realize how small the planet is compared to our earth
Even though everything seems to be true to size, it is still a weird miniature of what it actually and realistically looks like.
@@HumbleRumbleDE People are quick to forget just how big things really are. A realistically sized world would take so long to simply travel through that you'd be sick of the game before you finish the first chapter.
@@LlortnerofI agree. Why would you want a game where it takes more than 6 hours using a plane to reach somewhere?
@@theseekersoflight2271 6h during which you can't really do anything but wait, at that.
And while some people might not mind playing a flight simulator for 6h, many simply wouldn't have the time.
It might be smaller but the short distance between areas in the game isn't necessarily supposed to reflect that. Since they can't make an entire realistically sized planet to explore, the world is sort of condensed and we're just supposed to pretend it's bigger if that makes sense. It's much like the map in Horizon Zero Dawn and Forbidden West where you're in what was once the US but it's condensed in such a way that you can explore Montana within a few minutes
Cid knowing Ifalna and working as Shrinas janitor was weird
Almost like its another Cid than we've ever known.
@@SwobyJ oooohhhhhhhhh....multiverse baby!!🤑🤑🤑
Not really. Cid is well traveled and you always start somewhere. Cid started from the bottom and worked his way up as a pilot.
my only concerns with Cid is that he doesn't curse like he used to and he's too damn happy.
@@Berserk0653they barely showed his character to judge him
You know, Sephiroth wants the multiverse... In one or more universes Sephiroth may have never gone mad with the revelation that he is related to some sort of alien parasite, or Lucrecia could have reached him sooner and done things right for one, or Hojo could have been outed before he could mess things up badly...
Which means the possibility of one or more instances of Heroic Sephiroth fighting the villain one.
Maybe even one case will have a Young Sephiroth being pulled out of his point in time to confront the Villainous Sephiroth.
That would be an interesting thing to see in Part 3
I like this idea 😎
Looks like Sephiroth isnt mad. He is also controlled. The only thing they can do is to summon Meteor to be able to win.
Zack is like Neo in matrix trilogy or Raziel in legacy of kain
Or link in the ocarina in time 😂
They also censored Dyne's suicide in which he stepped off a cliff and instead had him just die from his wounds. S-E chickened out.
Pathetic...
Your all whiny nostalgia babies who are used to bad anime level stories.
Y'all don't know what "censored" means.
@@Geats-IX Ironic, considering this is an example of bad anime fanfic. The nostalgic claim is weak. People are allowed to criticize inferior writing when it occurs. It has zero to do with nostalgia. Also, you know many of us still like the game, right?
Right? It's funny that SquareSoft had more mature themes and visuals, but SE seems to be the "Soft" one now. "Think of the children" -SquareEnix 😅😂
them lifestream Weapons look a whole lot like Sin from FFX....
Dream worlds within them. City of Dying Dreams, Tifa's Dream.
Yes and if you notice people deliberately refer to monsters as Fiends - another callback that is probably just the devs messing with us because they know it's a popular theory
Also Aerith’s staff dance in the temple of ancients just screamed Yuna’s sending cutscene. Lots of little nods!
@@tanders4444 YES
Also the ancient writing in the temple looks eerily similar to the Yu yevon symbols
And one more thing, in the original, every encounter with sephiroth, was actually Jenova, and Jenova controlled Cloud. But here we see Jenova basically a puppet herself.
Sephiroth took the rains since that’s the same Sephiroth from Advent Children. He said: “Ill do it myself” 😂
This has been really confusing me, because the multiverse aspect makes it harder to tell what her point is in this plot, if any now.
@@Makvandar Judging by what Sephi is trying to do, it's safe to assume that he gained control over her already, but she can be a major threat in the future. Maybe that is why Sephi asked for Cloud to join him.
The game is absolutely gorgeous piece of art, they managed to nail gameplay, characters, but just had to insert multiverse meta part that nobody asked for, the orig story was complicated enough...
@@TheNerjaveika leave it to Nomura. He needs to shove Kingdom Hearts into everything.
Go play the original if you want the same thing
Vincent in Rebirth has probably my favorite line in the whole game. "Dio."
For context, to those who dont know, he's voiced by Matt Mercer who does the dub for Jotaro Kujo in Jojo who's nemesis is Dio.
Uhhh I don’t get it
This game sure looks perfect!! But they could've kept that multiverse crap out it, it has been waaay too overused everywhere already kind of sick of it...
Go play the original then no one is holding you
That Galian Beast fight was crazy! Was so happy we got to fight him.
The final part of the story will all about Zack how much he can change the fate, his timeline is a little bit later than the rebirth timeline and he can travel multiverse, but in rebirth story timeline will stay as the original version. Sephiroth said all the world will combine at the end. We will see the changes in part 3
So Zack is basically Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness 😂
Theres about 5 different timelines, dtamp the shinra mascot us different breeds of dog, dependong on the timeline.
Omg you're right!
Actually Seven.And it's not a case 😏
5:00 that isn't Cloud, that is Sephiroth controlling Cloud, after it happens, Cloud is confused and is given a flash with the memory of what just happened, screaming "Tifa!"
Sephiroth's taking cues from Ultimecia's Time Kompression playbook while Kefka nods approvingly at his warmongering schemes. Meanwhile, the Weapons are out here doing their best Sin cosplay.
But the real hero? Zack "Multiverse Hopper" Fair, bouncing across realities like a lost puppy. Stay golden, you glorious spiky pony boy! 🐶✨
Is it another universe... or are they just showing the dead characters in the Lifestream as they experience it?
Exactly, everything that happens is explainable with the lifestream and the original game
@@TeAXIIIT13no it’s not lol
Rather than having a multiverse as the canon, to tie-in the life/dead cycle of Lifestream makes much more sense and much more consistent with the lore.
@@Kr12B it also lines up with what the devs have said about following the OG and linking up to/adding upto AC. A multiverse wouldn’t do any of that and is counter to the themes of the original
It was confusing seeing that Cloud seemingly stopped Sephiroth from stabbing Aerith at the last moment and even knocked his sword away... but then it seems she still met her fate that we all know?
Confusing indeed. I’ve read one explanation saying that in that moment, Cloud saw visions of multiple realities, including one where he stopped Sephiroth. However, ultimately he is still in the reality where she dies.
Whatever the explanation, it seems to be Multiverse shenanigans that IMO didn’t positively contribute to this story.
As Sephiroth explained, defying fate creates branch realities. By saving Aerith, he split the timeline again, where one version died & the other survived.
Cloud seems to be straddling the two realities, hence he sees the giant tear in the sky & Aerith (which the other party members can't see)
@@MinishDude this is an excellent interpretation of him being able to see her and the fracture. Haven't thought about this
What it is mostly obvious imo is that we saw two different variations of the same event, just like we say many different variations previously in Zack's event where he went to Shinra, he went to Biggs, he couldn't choose what to do, and so on. Those scenes were preparing us for that exact moment. What happened there will be answered in the next game but my theories are either Sephirot pulled another Aerith from another world that he actually killed, or he pulled the entire team to an universe where he managed to get to her. Crucial points are we didn't see two pivotal moments. Aerith being stabbed, and her burial. There must be a reasoning behind not showing them
@@anothermarvelfan5142 no he actually saved her in that moment because when aeirth joins the final fight she says thank you for what he did.
Black Materia is the Precious and Cloud is Gollum for a while in this game.
Im just sad that Cloud totally ignored Tifa after Aerith's "death"
They really shipped Clerith in this game 😅.
Plus, I’m not sure Cloud knows Aerith is dead. His mind is a little…messed up, and he doesn’t deal with death well 😅
@@Khjaden97 True. If we look at it from Tifa's perspective, Cloud _really_ has gone mentally ill in the end of the game
why is everyone here so negative?😅 same happened with people constantly complaining Dragonball Super and now everyone is sad about Toriyama. Be glad that the original staff is still willing to put out this banger of a game for us. If Remake and Rebirth were bad, I'd understand this anger, but the games are genuiely great. You really expected a 1:1 remake? No way a creative person is going to do a 1:1 remake of a product they'd worked of for 2 yrs some 25yrs ago. Let's be real.
If square Enix had a brain between any of them, they would of just took final fantasy 7 remake, and rebirth, turning them into one game. The first disc of the original was around 20 to 25hrs, and could easily turn that into a 80+hr game instead of turning a 7 hr opening section into a 35hr game and a 15hr open world section into a 80+ hr game.
@@unownbob123 no, they did well the way they did. you don't know how to design stories well, while Kitase, Nojima etc do. They know their craft better than you.
And nor do you, just because it has big names on it doesn't mean they know what they're doing. Every actor, writer, and director has made a bad movie or few doesn't mean they know whats best.
Toriyama died therefore be grateful for kingdom hearts slop?
@@dragonwarriorz1 what?😂
“Aerith , Everywhere, All at Once.”
Final Fantasy 7 : Cloud is drug addict
Cloud be high off that mako ☠️☠️😂😂😂
High off those fossil fuels.
FF7 Clouds search for Advil.
So nothing changed to the original xD
Ff7: string theory
people are complaining about sokka not being misogynistic in the Netflix avatar the last airbender meanwhile cid in final fantasy Vll rebirth isnt portrayed as a chain smoking grouch that is stuck in the past!
for me it was the strengh of ff7. a broken cast that wasnt perferct but all had their redemption arcs. cloud with his delusions and jumbled memories of zack to cover his cowardly self. red and the facade he put to hide the shame about his father, barret and his destructive shinra hate cause of his past. cid as a man grumpy with regrets who finnaly can accomplish his dream and face the future.
@@alvercaine8893 shame cid was downplayed in this game
Your understanding of the plot of the original is slightly off.
Towards the end of this you say Sephiroth wanted to go to the Promised Lane to absorb the lifestream so he could summon meteor…butttt that’s now how it happened. Sephiroth never absorbed the lifestream in the original yet was obviously able to summon meteor.
The plot of the original was that Sephiroth was going to summon meteor and then when the lifestream came to repair the damage left by the meteor Sephiroth was going to position himself at the point of impact to absorb the lifestream.
Some things make sense while others don’t (on the surface anyhow). Seph could just wipe out Shinra (or at the very least Rufus / those in power). What is the point of racing with them for the promised land? None of these figures are any level of threat to Seph or his goals.
Sephiroth can’t directly attack in the physical world, he can only operate through the black cape guys.
He wants Shinra away so they can’t use the cannon against his barrier on the northern crater.
Exactly. Sephiroth isn't fully "alive" following him being thrown into the livestream.
Ngl this is a great video and put plot points in an easy to understand way
This explains something very important that no other videos I've watched so far mentions... how Aerith can no longer see the future like before due to the white Materia being empty.
Square really said Nomura go wreck FF7 with your madness like you did Kingdom Hearts.
nomura wanted to keep things closer to the og, kitase encouraged changes to the story
Everyone leaves out what they did with poor Biggs. Otherwise this was a great summary and cleared up some of my confusion about the alternate realities.
Because no one ever cared about Biggs, wedge and jessue
Honestly the Biggs reveal was the biggest disappointment of the story for me!
So sad he lived only to die in a flashback!
@@josephosullivan9891He lived to die in an alternate timeline, not a flashback. But, yes, still sad. As if it was inevitable.
Final Fantasy and the madness of LSD
Ff7: string theory
DISCOVERY ALERT!!! Watching this video just occurred to me that the last scene of the original game is a replay of Aerith looking to that green lifestream in midgar. THAT MEANS THE ENTIRE STORY YOU PLAY AFTER THAT WAS BEING TOLD IN HER MIND AT THAT MOMENT. Aerith from the original game ALREADY HAD SEEN THE FUTURE!!! That Aerith at the end of the game IS THE AERITH FROM REMAKE!
ah nice recall. yeah indeed this could be it.
Even if it wasn't intended, but instead just a reused shot from the start for cheaper development, to represent her watching from/to the Lifestream - this concept is still what they're going with now, yes.
Wait they actually made FF7 into a multiverse? lmao not sure how to feel about that. Almost wish they just remade the og game at this point.
It’s not a multiverse. That’s what people with braindead reading comprehension have been interpreting the ending in Rebirth as.
It’s simply the livestream from og FFVII. When Aerith, Zack etc die, they appear in the “other realm” which is just the lifestream where everyone goes to after they die anyway - except here in the remake they actually show it.
The problem is while it might be a split timeline, or likely they are already Dead it's still dumb and lazy and feels like the most basic emotional tugging and oversaturation of actually feeling for the story and characters we loved
@@SoulsLordsthat doesn't make any damn sense
@@SoulsLordsSure as hell sounds like a multiverse.
So basically yes but also no
People need to stop looking at this like it's not about to be a full on sequel
Maybe they shouldn't have called it a Remake then
@@dragonwarriorz1maybe you should just get over it and enjoy two excellent games for what they are. Remakes in film and video game world are rarely 1 for 1 copies, and the "Remake" title was clearly meant as a play on words, seeing as the games are still mostly faithful to the original.
@@kk_33 No
@@dragonwarriorz1 the title Remake is appropriate because it is a title. Literally our characters were remaking the story.
The word remake wasn't just a simple adjective to describe the game. It was the title
@@Aon_Duine "Remake" implies the same plot points but remade. Not a sequel. Don't be disingenuous.
no ones talking about how Tifa fell into the lifestream! they didnt just do that for a scene. that has to connect her to all the otherworldly things now, right?
Bro literally talked about it in the video 💀
@@SolomonRasputin damn I'm dumb
What were they smoking when they wrote the new stuff
Well when you get writers from Kingdom hearts to work on this, what do you expect. Nonsense.
That’s why this game is so cheerful
@@LeadLeftLeon true has a way different tone. The OG was a dark depressing story about loss and corruption. This feels like kingdom hearts with FF7 characters.
@@chadsmith7519good point, the tone never changes to anything really truly interesting
Like when eren touch historia😮
I’m calling it now… FFVII Reunion: Zack vs Cloud (under sephiroth’s control)
They already made the crisis core remake called Reunion
With Reunion already used, and the change of events with certain characters, i'm putting my money on Revive or Revival
@@anotherLwordwhich is basically rebirth
The other way around.
Wouldnt be surprised if zack becomes the leader after cloud loses his mind from lifestream poisoning.... If he still even loses it.
Basically Aerith and Zack are force ghosts. And we are seeing them interact in such a way. They are still in the lifestream. Still dead.
The developers have stated that Advent Children is still canon.
Don't really care what they are as long as they are party members in part 3. They can be force ghosts, people from a different timeline, or whatever.
In main timeline, yes. In alternate timeline, Zack and Aerith are still alive.
The Star Wars influence is strong with this one
Only you can prevent Forrest 🌲 fires 🔥
@2:03
My only major complaint was cid. Meeting him in rocket town was hilarious. I’m bummed he wasn’t hurling curse words left and right
His character was completely butchered smh
so square is essentially giving FF7 the Disney treatment
They make a lot of games for Disney and FF7 characters fought against Goofy and Donald in KH so how is this a surprise?
This storyline.....makes absolutely no sense. Final Fantasy had some complex themes (advent children) before they threw in a multiverse for no reason. What a nightmare.
Literally always been like that. The lifestream is a cycle, not a straight line
@@ElPsyKongroo lifestream never has been a multiverse...
I haven’t seen a single person talk about the most radical, most mysterious plot line, and likely most important plot line difference…..you can kiss Tifa in game as Cloud. You CANNOT do the same between Cloud and Aerith
My conclusion: It will lead the story line to Advent Children. as the OG Cloud can see The Aerith and Zack from Rebirth. we Jus Play all the Cloud with OG's and Rebirth Consciousness to have a chance to save Aerith in Rebirth.
Maybe in Advent Children He still possesses both White and Black Materia. he became the keeper. that's why he always stays away from everyone.
Doubt im the only one thinking this but the final game will probably be called FF7 Reunion. Fits the whole RE theme they were going for. Remake, Remission, Rebirth, Reunion.
Crisis core was reunion
@@bign8te oh damn, nvm lol
squarenix seems more concerned with keeping its fanbase arguing and speculating on the plot/ending...
People SHOULD be talking about the amazing story and world of ff7, all the impactful events and story moments. INSTEAD, we get this... arguing about if Aerith is dead or not and trying to untangle the convoluted plot... So sad to see how ff7 has been mishandled....
It isnt difficult. You just want everything the same
such a garbage story, waited decades for a faithful remake. now when we finally get it, some 2nd rate writer has to hamfist his fanfiction into it, what a tragedy
@@av-ls5df the writer of the remake is literally the writer of the original game, the only original developer who is not present is Sakaguchi (and his absence is felt for sure)
Remake it a sequal to the og.
@@itsbeyondme5560 And you want so many multiverses that there is no definitive answer to if a character is dead or alive. Literally Schrodinger's cat. If that's what you get off to hey, power to ya. Glad someone is enjoying it.
At least we still have the OG.
Final Fantasy XVI or Final Fantasy VII Rebirth? Which one is better?
16 obviously
Rebirth
They are too different from one another both in terms of story and in gameplay. If your prefer more "anime" like characters and plot FF7 is definitely more your style. If you prefer the more western type fantasy games with grand boss-fights, then ff16 is a better choice.
If the main factor for you is gameplay, then ff7 is just straight up better in side activities, RPG elements like itemization and character leveling, and combat has a far more impact with its tactical layer to it then 16s DMC-like hack and slash, that only gets impactful enough at the later half of the game.
so much to do in ff7 rebirth. ff16 for me is somewhat linear, and the quests are not interesting and repetitive. the crafting system alone in ff7 blew away ff16.
In terms of narrative, FF16. In terms of gameplay, FF7 Rebirth.
Its all kingdom hearts again
Cloud and sephiroth is Nobody and heartless
? How
The bad version is cloud and sephiroth is the evil version.
Poor Sephiroth, to conquer all universes, he had to do the same thing and say the same sentences over and over and over again like a million times? Must be super boring and go insane (oh he already is).
Nomura couldn’t resist with his multiverse huh?
Sakaguchi is rolling in his nonexistent grave.
Oh no...this is Kingdom Hearts all over again...
It's simple really. Original FF7 is a premonition that is destined to take place, where the remake is that very vision occuring in that present reality of the remake.
What did you expect? Nomura himself is the creative director.
why there is no SUPERNOVA and OMNISLASH
Maybe they've saving OmniSlash for the final game since the final battle has that one iconic moment at the end with omnislash.
Supernova and Omnislash are only attacks that safer Sephiroth uses
@@breguera77 Supernova is what Safer Sephiroth uses
Omnislash is Cloud's L4 Limit Break
@@breguera77To stay really safe, he stole omnislash for himself. 😅
If you know then the voice the guy who voices vincent is jotaro from Jo jo
Plot change they keep aerith alive
Double plot twist she is now schrodingers cat.
The uninteresting plot change. Just like most of these changes..
Remake and rebirth make me really wish we had a full updated version of ff7, perhaps with updated game mechanics and expanded area's.
Isn’t that the mobile game?
jenova and lavos are the same crearuer it seems...
Basically. :)
CT was also the 1st to have synergy attacks
ruby weapon,emerald wepon???? where????
you still have the final part. save the best for last.
The weapons did not show up untill after areoth died in the og. Unless you did. Certain glitches or used game shark.
They show up when meteor is summoned, as the planet is in danger. They will be in the third game.....look closely at the posters in Tifa's room, they're literally foreshadowing them
Nomura watched too many marvel movies
Nomura loves time travel and multiverse. Look at kh
@@castroh19
I'm pretty sure Nomura would throw a tantrum and froth at the mouth if Square told him he wasn't allowed to put time travel in a game.
Lemme guess, u nvr play kingdom hearts?
All this
Was pretty heavily implied in og..
No lie detected
5:04 thank me l8r
Not a fan of how they completely nerfed Cid. Not a single !@$*# was muttered by him all game.
Why does everyone not understand that Aerith is dead. She is not communicating with him still, he is just hallucinating because his mako poisoned brain is blocking out the memories of her death the same as with Zack.
What happened to red's voice?
He was faking a deep voice. He’s a teenager.
I guess everything need to have a multiverse now
Wtf with red xiii voice..😅😅
He was faking his voice in the original
hes 48 in his human years. 15 in his species
play the original ff7
@@Kev-O33I'm pretty sure most 15 year old humans have already gone through voice break. It's really weird to have him go from gravelly old liondog to excited anime puppy.
In my opinion, that Aerith that Cloud sees at the end of the game by the Bronco is not a spiritual Aerith. That is the Aerith he saved in the forgotten capital. Cloud does save Aerith in one world and she dies in another. Cloud is seeing two different timelines or worlds at once. More evidence for is is when cloud says "don''t look up" to the party in the last cutscene. Only Cloud can see the tear in the sky, the rest of the party can't because they never entered the temporal threshold at the forgotten capital, only Cloud did.
Cloud needs Pyshic Meds😅
They did Cid DIRTY
cutting out rocket town just made him feel completely irrelevant
You realize there is a third part coming? Leave your judgment for then
@@rawaali8451 a third part isnt gonna change how they completely changed him.
and Ladies and gentlemen, i give you the title of the third game: Final Fantasy VII Reunion.
Idk about all the changes but somehow it’s been great part 3 ???
The story changes are mild at best. Y'all are just milking it. Also, there's no multiverse. That's just lazy and insulting.
Seems they wrote the overall stroy back when multiverses were somewhat popular. Those times are long gone, sadly.
Red losing his memories have nothing to do with his visit to Cosmo Canyon.. you're blending two elements that are like 70 hours apart in game time. Also, no one understands what is happening with Aerith in the ending. It is purposely ambiguous to keep us talking.
Even Final Fantasy series has its own multiverse.
It's basically had its own multiverse since Cloud and Aerith showed up in Final Fantasy Tactics. It's also been hinted that the Gilgamesh that appears in each Final Fantasy is the same character in all of them.
Yeah, it's called Dissidia
Why did they make Red XIII sound like a child??
Red is a teenager and was faking his deep voice.
It was explained that he’s about 75 years old but compared to the full lifespan of his species that would only put him at around age 16/17 relative to a human lifespan. He deliberately put on an older voice to not be looked down on as a “pet” according to himself when going back to his hometown in cosmo canyon. While in his hometown he was able to reveal his normal self and was more comfortable with speaking in his regular voice with others now that the truth of his age was revealed.
In addition to what mx10589 is saying, some of the changes may have been to accommodate for Cait Sith. Unlike the original, Rebirth Cait Sith is more than just (unnecessary) comic relief, providing wise insights, progressing the narrative, and being key to situational events. But to keep some differention in the party and character roles, they may have opted to remove the wise guide role from Red XIII, and give it to Cait, while using 'child Nanaki' and exploring his character growth in that lane. Maybe in game 3, the role may shift again, to someone like Vincent/Cid. Characters tend to flip their roles in long narratives like this one, albiet temporarily.
In the OG japanese for ps1, red xiii's dialect and mannerisms change after cosmo canyon. In the US release it's not as obvious, and so in the remake they kept it more true to that
@@fosterkmasI would argue OG Cait Sith was also more than unnecessary comic relief too. He has some pretty pointed back-and-forth with Barret about Avalanche's disregard for collateral damage and "ends justify the means" attitude, and helps to humanize a lot of Midgar.
The sales will reflect this idea.
as if sales ever reflect anything. Pokemon games can be released unfinished and still sell 10+million copies.
I’m not convinced Aerith is dead. She’s alive in a parallel universe just like Zack.
Well technically everybody is alive and dead in parallel universe, considering thats how multiverse work, lol.
well if consciousness do transfer from tl to tl then the aerith that cloud saves after deflecting sephiroths attack is still our aerith
She dead there too
They shouldn't have changed anything imo because people who never played the original (like me) will never know the exact story
Rick and Morty make this concept work, maybe Final Fantasy can too
multiverse timeline wankery is the lamest media trope to ever exist
Another great story ruined by the multiverse.
just stick to the original game and pretend this modern square enix garbage doesn't exist
They took out how abusive cid is to his "wife".
Isnt Rufus a Cetra too? arent all people from FFX Cetra? and Rufus' ancestor is in FFX. Thats why he can see the whispers, and others.
Isn't Rufus Cloud's cousin? (look at the hair colour and eye).
After the events of Remake, are Aerith and Sephiroth arbiters of fate?
They are playing a huge chess session against each other
whispers are so corny
Whispers are the perfect plot device for fake-out-death.
In general they can do everything and excuse it with them. That’s just lazy writing.
The whispers are def the purist fans
How can there be changes in rebirth when the whole story is a different than the original.
Alternate timeline in a different dimension.
@@isiludtengille 3rd timeline, second dimension.
Please.
Somebody make it stop.
@@larrymunn5279morbid curiosity towards seeing the 3rd game attempt to bring this mess together
WTH RedXIII got 2 voices???
The old man voice he used to make the team think he was older and wise, and not a teenager.
Those who played the Japanese version say it mirrors what happened with the way he spoke in the OG before and after Cosmo Canyon
@@claudelorrain-bouchard6941 He sounds like Tidus now, it's unbearable
Everyone is overlooking that Tseng survived the temple of the ancients, a place where he totally dies in the original.
Except He did Not (He was in Advent children)
80% minigames 10% main story 😢
Very true! 80% minigames and 20% main story.
65% mini games, 35% main story.
Are they going to call the 3rd installment FF7-Ragnarok?
No, Reunion most likely.
@@SA-xl1tk FF7 Reunion already exists, it's the Crisis Core remake, they 100% won't name it that exact same
How about FF7 Requiem?
Its Ifalna not Ilfana
Are the remakes fun? Yes. Do they improve on the original? No. Are they better than the original? Not at all.