How ONE LINE Fixes The Last Jedi
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- Say what you will about The Last Jedi, it's easy to see how just ONE additional line could have fixed a huge amount of issues with the film.
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Holdo when saying goodbye to Leia,
insert the line
"Heil Hydra"
Cal Roy 😂😂😂😂
You even said it in german! Nice!
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LOL!
With this idea in mind, I imagine a scene where Holdo scolds Poe, and he replies with something like "you don't know what I give to the resistance, every time I put my ass in the front line! every time knowing that I could not come back! what have you ever risked from the safety of the command centre?" and that would have made her final sacrifice so much meaningful.
ah well said
Opinion: They should have threw out the canto bight storyline and instead have Poe, Finn, and Rose go on a manhunt for the spy aboard the ship. A First Order spy would make the hyperspace-tracking idea more credible and give us a reason for how the First Order found the Resistance base in the first place (the movie doesn't tell us how that actually happened).
That's just it... without that line of dialogue (and Holdo being the only new face on the ship), there'd be no reason to assume that the cause of the problem was on the ship. Don't get me wrong, I agree that anything ([*ANYTHING*]) would've been better than that Canto Bight subplot, but SJWs needed something to bring social justice to I guess.
Peake Performane The first order found the resistance base in the Force Awakens. It’s literally the main plot point of the third part film that the resistance need to take down Star Killer before it can fire on the resistance base
Agreed, not only does it make the whole of the plot make more sense, but it avoids all of their massive plot holes created by Canto Bight. Plot holes like: how is there an entire prominent first order planet IN the republic? How does the first order have the income to afford paying exorbitant amounts of credits to buy starships? Why do they stop searching for the guy they initially went there to find? Why do they trust the smuggler who has already said he’ll work for whoever pays him the most, after immediately just establishing that the first order is very well funded and they are broke?
@@TechGroupF430i LMAO you people just constantly whine about SJWS for no reason it's sad at this point.
@@RangerAndHaxor a lot of that shit is just nitpicks that won't really matter if you're just enjoy the film. They're just small things that you'll only care about if you're already looking for things to complain about. Like how do these people get money?? Who cares they probably kill for money why should that be explained? You know?
And as far as I've heard the smuggler is supposed to seem like a smooth Han type of character that just gets you to trust him.
Having a spy on board makes so much more sense and all the more interesting. But you'd have to introduce a character to make it so and the moment you do then everyone knows THAT'S the spy so it's tricky. Kaydel Ko Connix should've been the spy and it'd make a lot of sense
I think it adds to the tension and mystery of the scenes around it if we never find out who the spy was. If they're discovered then you have to work that back into all the character's motivations which is totally unnecessary for their arcs. It's very plausible that their would spies among the rebels who were never discovered during the galactic civil war, who quietly disappeared afterwards. Or we could have a spin off comic or episode of one of the tv shows that references the plot thread and says the rebels eventually caught them in some interesting way. I don't think it's necessary to identify them within this movie for the device to work as needed, it's not like one spy going undiscovered would be enough to undo the whole rebellion, especially when we're told that the rebels are aware of the spy and being cautious.
I think having HOLDO be the spy would have been brilliant. Then her plan would have been to get the Resistance out in the open where they could be captured bloodlessly. Then when Hux tells her 'You're far too trusting, my dear" and opens fire, she gets a good redemption arc with her kamikaze run.
At least then we'd have gotten some good out of the Holdo Maneuver, even as it invalidated three previous movies.
Not only does it not need a new character, It almost works as it stands if you take EC Henry's theory into account when watching it. Like he said, if they had just added one line to explain her motivation! I think it's plausible that Holdo is suspicious that Poe, a confirmed hotshot who just got a bunch of people killed AND was just demoted, is the traitor that is leading the New Order to them. It explains why she didn't share any plans and seemed like she was being a poor leader. If she didn't trust him, she actually played it about as well as she could. EC Henry completely changed my perception of this character. Poe and his mutineers never told Holdo that they were being tracked by new technology, not by a traitor among them. When he finally came clean, she made the command decision that it was too late anyway. It was a judgment call at that point.
The audience can try to find out who the spy is with the characters. You don't need to spoon feed every answer beforehand as long as it is well written and directed but ryan johnson is a shitty director and the movie has many more faults and problems
The twist could be that there IS no spy, but that's a risk they can't take. It then all becomes about the paranoia & fear... turning the crew of the Raddus into a First Order in miniature; how things can twist & turn for some good reasons (ironically, also giving Ben's move to the dark a bit more nuance too).
The entire movie felt like there was a spy plot left on the cutting room floor. (And a time skip)
Oh thank goodness, I’m not the only one who wanted a “spy” subplot.
Yup. My friend turned to me (my 2nd viewing) and goes "wait so haldo isnt a spy?! " i was like "exactly!!!"
Yeah I mean do we know that Poe told Holdo about the hyper space tracking?
Agreed I was wondering if that was he reason but it never came to light.
Spy or not she should have told Poe. Poe was the most trustworthy, he led the squadron that blew up Starkiller Base also the one who pressed on despite Leia's orders to disengage from The Dreadnought. Had he not done this The Dreadnought would have wiped out the Resistance fleet when The First Order tracked them through Hyperspace.
Poe would have reassured the entire crew and they would have complied and stood down since they trust Poe more than they trust Holdo. Finn and Rose wouldn't need to go have that dreadful Casino subplot and DJ wouldn't betray them to the First Order. Countless Resistance lives could have been saved if Purple Hair JUST TOLD POE!
The idea of a resistance general not trusting Poe and suspecting him to be a spy is actually an interesting, original idea in my opinion. The producers could've made it so that Holdo has some evidence that the first order indeed has spies, and they could probably even reference the famous line "many bothans dies to bring us this information" (bothan spies) from episode 6.
Good analysis. The only flaw in this argument is that Finn was still out for himself (and not the Resistance) until his experience with Rose and Canto Bight. He wouldn't have gone on that mission to prove his loyalty as really only cared for saving Rey. I didn't pick up on this fully until the second viewing - and this is perhaps the problem with how Finn's character is portrayed. He's so likable it's hard to see see his motivations as selfish. But until Canto Bight "the cause" was not his main motivating factor as a character. It was all about getting off the ship so Rey wouldn't end up in a trap.
"One line fixes everything"
In my mind: Nano machines somnnnn
Maybe she’s called Holdo because she’s witHoldoing information from everyone
Who Else But Blue i fucking lmaoed
Ba Dum, pshhh
Fuck off, you mad genius you!
WOW, just WOW
FUCK.
lol.
Omg... It does make perfect sense.... And the spy is Rose, that is why she stopped Fin and sabotaged their mission. Brilliant.
An123Observer and the best part being that Rose could be killed horribly as a spy in episode 9.
that would be great cuz I really hate that character
Yes please kill Rose. Seriously she's worse than JarJar imo.
Oh, *please* let this be the case. They could kill her, basically invalidate that whole subplot and it'd make the awkward and forced nature of that kiss so much more meaningful in retrospect. A man can dream!
I love it. Rose turns out to be a First Order Spy in Episode 9. Then they kill her ass off. I would love Episode 9 and it would make Last Jedi make more sense. And Fuck Rose.
I'm not sure it's fixable with small changes, but my one small change ... the side of the bridge blows up, but just as everyone and everything start flying at the hole, it all stops. Everyone looks at the hole in the side of the ship and is perplexed at how they are standing there alive, then they look back in the room, and the camera pans to Leia standing there with her hand up. She's using the force to hold the air in the room. Looking strained by it, she says "Get out. Hurry." Everyone rushes out the door, and she backs out last. The door closes, she collapses, and we see everything on the bridge blown out into space. She can then still be in her coma, and when she wakes up, there's a line where she says something like "I've used the force before, but never anything like that. I guess it was too much for me."
That would have been workable. The Purple Hair on Gender Studies was also confusing, especially since it implies a misuse of resources to Keep It that way.
@@theseekerofancienttruth3873 That...actually explains why I also hated her hair.
Honesty when Carrie died they should have reworked that scene and given her a heroic death. then cut and reshoot the Luke storyline and taken out the character assassination parts
Except Leia is not an actual character in any of these movies and is only there because she was in the original trilogy. Useless in all movies. Should’ve left her out
We would still have had Ackbar, and even if he was hurt or something, he seemed to have enough history, experience and trust to not immediately grate on everyone
I think a better line from Holdo would've been, "General Leia has a plan, you have to trust her".
No
No
Yes
Poe: "DO YOU HAVE A PLAN? PLEASE TELL ME THERE IS A PLAN!!!"
Holdo: "..............I might have a plan :)))) "
Poe: How much of a plan
Holdo: like 12% of a plan
This is actually really great. It's interesting how a few twists can make this movie so much better and solve several plot holes.
thats more or less the reason for the succes of the orignal three films: hamill, fisher and ford did constantly tweek lines for instance: leia: i love you han solo. hans reaktion: i know but in the script: i love you too leia.
That's no a huge surprise.
According to the earliest test screenings, the very first star wars film was horribly bad and unwatchable.
While it wasn't such a minor tweak as a single line, it was saved mostly by carefully re-editing the film.
The key point of this change though is that no new footage was used.
Just what they already had was presented slightly differently.
Subtleties do matter, it turns out.
The really truly tragic thing about The Last Jedi is that it had so many opportunities to be good. The idea that there is a spy on-board (or that they even suspect there is a spy) vastly improves the film.
thomas jeppesen if you feel this way then I urge you to go and watch Nando v Movie’s video on The Last Jedi. You will be impressed.
The thing is, Finn's plan basically proves fruitless and ACTUALLY leads to the enemy gaining information which then leads to a lot of the escape pods being destroyed.
If she had at least given people confidence in her, even if they didn't know the full plan, there wouldn't have been any need for Finn and Rose's plan or the mutiny, the code breaker wouldn't have ratted them out
and her escape plan would have worked PERFECTLY.
So, she really does have blame on her.
The whole thing about faith is not enough. You simply can't operate on blind faith. Confidence in a leader has to be earned.
Wait how did the code breaker guy even know about the shuttle? I unashamedly like The Last Jedi, but how did that guy know about the shuttles before anybody else.
Philip Hockenbury
Poe told Finn over the radio that they were abandoning ship. The code breaker must have heard it.
It was when he was working on the door.
--I like it too, and I wouldn't class what I pointed out as a hole in the story or anything, just part of the story that the characters could have avoided. People make those mistakes in real life.
What 1000000man1 said. They even made that clear by showing him suspiciously eavesdropping on the conversation while he sat in a chair several feet away.
Andrew Boulier
Oh, is that when he says it?
I thought it was later when they've infiltrated snoke's ship.
Either way, he's been listening to their conversations with Poe and uses it to save himself
She doesn't trust the guy known to be THE best pilot of the Resistance, the man who BLEW UP Starkiller base for fcks sake. That's the real problem
And the fact that by destroying that fucking Dreadnought he saved the Resistance fleet. If they disengaged and left, the Dreadnought would've followed them with lightspeed and killed them and there would be no movie.
Then Leia slaps him acting like he was being pompous (would she also slap the bombers that followed Poe? Can't she tell the bombers to return and not listen to Poe? If Poe is the only one who can hear Leia's commands and then communicates them from his X-Wing then that's shitty organization) and then she says that Holdo wanted Poe to be a good leader first and "not a hero"... ONCE AGAIN, POE DID THE RIGHT THING, AND *WE'RE IN A WAR* people DIE in a war. What, was she supposed to slap Luke and the surviving Rebel fighters when they destroyed the Death Star because other people died?
Original Trilogy Leia would slap her older self for pussying out and disrespecting her soldiers, especially the one that just saved everyone's asses.
Worse: Poe blew up Starkiller base literally the day before.
@@DeepEye1994 Uh... about Poe destroys _Fulminatrix..._
Can't he just destroy the guns below? Because...
1. More safer since there's no point-defense turbolaser under the _Fulminatrix,_ only above
2. Even if the First Order managed to chase down the Resistance, they wouldn't use _Fulminatrix_ since that ship has been rendered useless, leaving _Supremacy_ and several escorting _Resurgent_-class to do the job
CMIIW
@@DeepEye1994 She slapped him for ignoring her order. And rightly so. Only to learn in the next moment that Poe's ignorance saved everyone. So I don't mind the slap. He deserved it. What I mind is Holdo insulting him for no reason.
"Holdo died in the blast... but Ackbar survived!" - the single line
bahamutkod HISHE
And the raddus survived too it traveled right through hyperspace.
1. The voice actor for ackbar was dead at the time of filming, Rest In Peace
2. Ackbar is a gag character to the majority of people, not someone who holds any dramatic weight
3. A human character can... act, with facial features and body language
4. The point is to not trust holdo, a known character like ackbar wouldn’t be able to fit the role needed.
@@About37Hobos 1: They could have gotten an impersonator.
2: Bullshit, Ackbar is known by many as a great strategist, just because he has a meme associated to him doesn't mean the movie couldn't portray him as a hero to the Resistance.
3: So can aliens. Yoda, Ki-Adi-Mundi, hell you don't even need the best acting to be memorable as seen with C3PO and R2D2.
4: The point the movie was trying to get across is that Holdo is right and Poe is wrong, but Rian is so fucking bad at directing he made it look like the opposite. In a better scenario, Poe rushes to attack the dreadnaught and both attracts the FO and kills the bombers, Leia then prohibts Poe and his crew to fly, Ackbar still lets them know about his plan but Poe commits mutiny anyways because he feels Leia's coma could have been prevented had he fought Kylo Ren's TIE, Leia wakes up just in time to explain to Poe how he's a great leader but is too hot headed, Poe learns, then he commands a very succesful battle on Crait where the FO loses all their M6s and Finn sacrifices himself to destroy the cannon. Rey also manages to sabotage the Supremacy and destroy it, killing Snoke in the process as he was left to die by Ren. Boom, Ackbar survives and works better than Admiral Genderstudies, Finn ends his arc in a better way, Poe learns his lesson.
@@About37Hobos Don't touch Ackbar, he is an icon of the rebellion, beside his brief appearance in the movies. Way better than this smiling old fart of an admiral, with an attitude of an alderanian noble.
When I first watched the movie, I thought Holdo was going to be revealed as a first order spy.
i was believing that more and more as the film went along and as more and more ships were lost and she seemed to sit on her ass a do nothing.
Jay Lawrence same. That would have been good.
I thought so too. I thought she was purposely bringing down the new rebellion
I think it's the way Rian want. He want we believe she is a traitor for make his sacrifice more heroical I guess. We can see he want we trust that when poe say "you'r not only a cowards, you'r a traitor".
But for me it's still stupid and useless for the movie.
Before i saw the movie I thought Holdo was part of the First Order
I was honestly suspecting Holdo was a spy for the FO when I watched the film in theaters thinking that woulda been an interesting plot twist.
I thought that too. Probably means it was too predictable. Though to be honest it still would've made for a better story.
Same here. Anything would have been more interesting than a slow speed chase, a red herring mission, and a trip the the Jedi temple to get no training
That wouldn´t have been a plot twist. Everyone and their grandma suspected that. I consider it a plot twist that she wasn´t a spy.
For some reason that never occurred to me. Wouldn't have surprised me I suppose, but it wasn't my first thought.
If she was related to phasma :o lol
Yes! I've always argued that that was exactly what was going on - and that the movie just fumbled it by not signalling the threat of a potential spy onboard the Raddus.
There's a UA-camr called Ivan Ortega who is editing the movie to fix it and he had a similar idea where Ackbar, who isn't dead yet in his version, says something similar.
Headcanon accepted
RedCaio HISHE The last Jedi
RedCaio
Agreed.
Michael Burke
This
RedCaio me too
This was my headcanon already
It's the first logical thing you think of when they mention they're being tracked through hyper space
The spy storyline would have been more interesting than what we got. The casino scene was absolutely boring. Finn and Rose's storyline was just dull overall. Rey and Kylo's story was the main frame and the most interesting so no need to worry really about that one. But yeah I agree this storyline would have been more compelling
Darth Revan It wasn't just dull and pointless, it also completely killed any tension in that part of the plot. Nothing screams desperate emergency like two strangers fucking off to space planet to play around freeing some sad animals.
Matt D WHY DO I SEE YOU EVERYWHERE
Darth Revan: Finn's character has never had potential. As long as you have the child soldier as the wacky comic relief, you've made a big mistake. Both movies would have been much better off if Finn had died crashing on Jakku and Poe had found Rey instead.
+Jon Smith He isn't a child, though. He's young, sure. But there are soldiers in real life who are younger than he is.
Guywholikes goodmusic: Yes, but none of our military were taken from their families and and forced to fight in an army where you're subject to reconditioning when you hesitate to murder a village. There's nothing about Finn's personality that fits that backstory. It's completely incomprehensible. If they had any brains whatsoever, they would made Finn a much darker character if they cared to keep him at all. Someone whose humanity was broken down to be used in a military machine and who is trying to find some meaning. Someone who understands fighting, but doesn't understand everything else. Heck, even Rose's actions would have made more sense if he could only see his life through the lens of its strategic importance within a battle.
Instead we got the goofball that whose crisis was started by the death of a stormtrooper. A death that shook him so hard that he went out and started gleefully slaughtering them by the dozen later that day. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Finn is probably the worst Star Wars character of all.
Oh man, please make Rose a spy in episode 9. That would make her character so much more compelling. Love this headcanon that Holdo was wary of a spy on board. Definitely going to keep that in mind the next time I watch The Last Jedi.
Yeah, that would explain why she prevents Poe [EDIT: Finn] from taking out the big weapon on the salt planet!
@@stephenathon what? It was Poe who gave the order to retreat not Rose you fool. Rose only tried to tell Finn to listen to Poe
@@fofonablus7104 Thanks, looks like I wrote in Poe instead of Finn
Stephen Athon also (this is speculation) by making sure all the resistance is in one spot would make it easier to destroy them( the First order) but there is stuff that wouldn’t make sense
why would anyone rewatch the last Jedi.
Honestly, I presumed that was her reasoning while watching the film; I didn’t need a line of dialogue.
Then what were the insults for? She still is a bad leader.
This is absolutely my biggest issue with the movie, and absolutely a fantastic way of fixing it SO simply.
One of the issues that I think a number of your critics here may be misunderstanding- the critical difference between 'tell Poe every single detail of her plan' and 'tell anyone at all that a valid plan exists.' I don't think anyone's complaining that she didn't do the former (she doesn't owe Poe that), but the latter is a reasonable requirement, especially when considering that the movie shows the Resistance to be demoralized and panicked (all of the attempted desertions at Rose's escape pod). Good leadership dictates informing the crew that a plan exists to quell their panic and get them to operate more smoothly in actually executing the plan; not doing so because she has no 'duty' to her underlings to do so may technically fall within the regs, but it's still a poor leadership call with extreme potential to hamper the execution of her own plan (which it does).
Have all my thumbs up. You put it perfectly.
Poe is the Squadron commander for all the pilots it doesn't make sense not to tell him anything. Infact it makes it worse if it is a spy subplot. He just disobeyed orders to take out an Imperial Dreadnought that SAVED Leia life (because they were targeting her ship and for some reason chose to fire on the empty base instead) and if he hadn't taken out that dreadnought it would have taken the base out at the end of the movie. OF COURSE he's not the spy.
It's a stupid fix because it neglects everything else that's wrong.
saquist Except if he had just turned around when they told him to, they could have jumped away before the dreadnaught ever had a chance to fire. By keeping them there waiting for their pilots to return, he nearly gave the dreadnaught time to fire again. You'll notice it was about to shoot when it was destroyed. It takes time to recharge those cannons. They could have just left with no casualties.
@@brenine3104 And what does the rest of the first order fleet due literally right after that? Oh yeah, follow them
Admiral Ackbar you are in command.
I miss Ackbar... He was far more prominent in Legends.
mickor The older characters make way for the new characters.
But I understand where you’re coming from
CitruSaurus in the prequels at least they were consistent....maybe too consistent
**force choke** do you feel in charge?
ITS A TRAP!!!
With one line, the plot goes from confusing motivations on both sides to a compelling game of among us
This is the most thoughtful "fix" for TLJ that I've come across. My initial impression was that Holdo was keeping Poe specifically out of the loop because of his demotion and needing to be put in his place in order to learn to trust leadership and follow orders. I still think that works and that she withheld only from specific people, but the spy aspect works equally as well and actually compliments my initial impression. Thing is that the line doesn't need to be added for the spy aspect to be inferred. Personally, I'm fine with the movie The way it is. Just the understanding that Poe needed to be put in his place and that there was the possibility of a FO spy makes it work.
That is what I was litterally thinking while watching the movie. The whole hyperspace tracking thing was just a theory. The Rebels had no idea how they were followed. Rose her theory was just that, a theory and she had absolutely no evidence. Yet no one even doubts it. Like: "Oh, this is defintely how they did it!" Wouldn't it have been hillarious if they went through all that shit just to find out there was never a tracking device? Just a spy onboard the capital ship? Oh man that whole plotline was so stupid it hurts.
I was talking with my friend and said the same exact thing!
I also liked the idea of Finn having a tracking chip inside of him, because then it ties him back to the first order and give him the plot of her can't really get away.
trevor harnden Or, what if it's not just a tracking device, but his DNA/essence that they can track? That way you can't just remove it with surgery, and HE could have been the one to Warp into the Fleet. Badass good-guy goes out like a badass. Damn, now I really wish they'd done that instead. :/
A tracking device on Finn would have actually made a lot of sense. Seeing as they were basically indoctrinated by the FO, it makes sense that they would have treated them like objects.
Prior to the revelation that the First Order had hyperspace tracking capability, a spy was the only plausible answer to that question. No one needed to specifically say it to assume that fear of spies is why Holdo was playing close to her chest. This still puts most of the onus on Poe as he knew that Leia trusted Holdo to a command position and not trusting her was in turn not trusting Leia's judgement
The only problem with Holdo saying that, on the bride, in front of everyone there is that you don't tell a spy that you think there is a spy. Honestly, considering Poe got the entire bomber wing killed by disobeying orders, he's also a prime suspect for the spy to someone who doesn't know him. A better place for the line would be Holdo talking to Leia at some point, even if it was Leia in a coma she was talking to. In fact a scene of her talking to Leia in a coma would give her a much-needed note of humanity as well.
I completely agree the movie would’ve have been better this way
NO, it doesn't work. The entire movie changes with that one line. It's not a fix, it's an overhaul.
saquist ...exactly. the plot was garbage
POTBELLY15 the whole film is garage.
saquist
in the video he made other slight changes that would make the movie follow to same course, but makes much more sense in execution.
+saquist Wait what? You're saying it's not a fix because it changes too much? That doesn't really make sense to me. Besides, the changes that this one line creates, as the uploader imagined them, still fit with many other things and actually add to certain things that happened such as Poe trying to escape. You can't say it doesn't work because it's too much change!
No. The biggest issue is that not one established character had any development worthy of what they did previously. Rey, never had actual training. Finn, never had his own arc. Poe, never had a full redemption. Luke, never left the island. Leia, didn't have a meaningful send off. Chewie, didn't do anything nor eat. Yoda, broke the rules of force ghosts. Admiral Ackbar, just died.
realar Finn not having his own arc bothered me sooooo much, like, why did they even take him out of the coma? They didn't even make his fight with Phasma interesting, and that whole segment is just a shitstorm of missed opportunities and character disservice.
KnightsaysNi Seriously, no Lando? That would have been a perfect return at the casino.
Rules of force ghosts?
I didn't realise fucking space magic had to have rules.
I mean shit in Force unleashed the dude pulls down a star destroyer
In the old Republic you can literally devour planet with the force, and kill the force by doing the right thing.
You can create ships and power them with the dark side. There's even instances of literal mind wiping and personality adjustment with the force.
Fucking fake fans and their force rules. It's goddamn space magic it can do what it wants
Anaverageguy41 Every damn franchise has rules it should follow, if it breaks those rules then it screws up spirit of a series. Let me give you an example, Tarzan - as a rule - has not touched alcohol once in any of its iterations. Why? Because the estate of E.R.B. has stated that as a rule for Tarzan's character.
Anaverageguy41 Also a real fan has standards for their franchise. You clearly don't. You let things go namby-pamby.
Her reason for keeping her plan a secret is 100% valid. Because someone figured out the plan (Poe) and then leaked that info to others (Finn, Rose, DJ), the First Order found out and then was able to scan for the smaller transports and kill over half of the rebellion.
Holdo’s motivation for her actions was literally my only problem with TLJ, and this idea fixes it.
One line? Rey wakes up on the Falcon, still heading to meet Luke at the end of 7 and says "I had one hell of a dream!"
No, 7 was even more awful
Maik Fentzel both are terrible, but TFA had a good set up for so much potential for episode 8. Which they had so many missed opportunities.
Im just considering the next film trash. Im looking forward to the trilogy the guys from game of thrones are making. Hopefully a knights of thebold republic. Done rightbwith actually good writing. We need a star wars movie with some lord of the rings tolkien writing and shit would be badass.
Kylo ren tells ray he is her father
eric23443219091 and she goes...daddy?
I've got a great idea, what if haldo died on the bridge instead of ackbar?
Lepras I’ve got a better one. What if we removed all traces of holdor and rose from this movie? This include all story arcs they are associated with
Lepras nobody would know who holdo was and this video wouldn't exist
Ackbar should have been given command tbh...🤷🏾♂️
Sadly, they killed off poor Akbar in a trap... the irony hurts...
Tbh, they shouldn't have killed off the entire rebel leadership with one special shot... the point of starship tier shields (of which the are two variety: the magnetic anti-laser repulsion variety and the anti-projectile deflector variety [for space debris, torpedoes, and kamikaze pilots] )...
Their shields should have withstood bombardment from star destroyers for a period of time... where's star destroyers had their shields powered by the vast arrays within the two balls above the bridge, such that the A-Wing ram attack in RotJ against the Flagship Capital Star Destroyer ONLY worked because the shields were down after the balls were destroyed powering the anti-concussion shields along the bridge...
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That said, since im on topic, the kamikaze hyperspace assault was a continuation of the trick used by Han Solo in TFA (eps 7). He used hyperspace to get past the shields of the planet destroyer, Starkiller Base. She utilized the speed of the hyperspace jump to bypass BOTH variety of shields aboard the uber command ship. She had not quite passed the speed of light, let alone attained full hyper speed yet, else she would have been the only one destroyed.
By hitting the ship underneath the shields at near lightspeed, she not only shared in her self destruction (if traveling near speed of light, a grain of dust can eviscerate your spaceship in our physics and an x-wing sized asteroid would end something the size of the falcon (explained to Luke by Han in ANH just before they enter hyperspace while being chased by star destroyers near Tatooine).
However, light particles and even radiation pass through us everyday. The act of traveling through hyperspace was freight with peril as many ships were destroyed by colliding with planets or other things, hence the need for mapped hyperspace channels that came at the cost of many pre-hyperspace era pilots. Sooo, it dreams to reason that hyperspace travel of objects won't destroy the thing being passed through.
(Note that though expressed in Legends [formerly the EU or Extended Universe] lore, it's relevant because they've been pulling knowledge and ideas from the EU for small subplots edition the sequels and prequels for years now...but people had been lost in the dimension of hyperspace because their ship exploded or they were ejected while traveling at hyper speed without the necessary energy to slow themselves down (akin to the imagined space particle in OUR physical universe that required nearly infinite energy to SLOW DOWN BELOW the speed of light opposite to everything else that requires infinite energy to get close to the speed of light)... so you travel forever in this hyper channel and without risk to others.
There were even stories of entire space battles performed at the speed of light on up to hyper speed that resulted in this knowledge and isn't too far off from Star Trek's loss of Cptn Kirk (or was he an admiral at this point?) when they are hit by a torpedo while traveling at FTLS (faster than light speed) and he's ejected, assumed lost to eternal FTLS floating (even after his eventual death by starvation) unknowingly to unearn he was pulled from this vector per the movie plot (Start Trek Generations I believe).... anyways, it's been a thought exercise for a long time.
The resulting explosion of her ship at NEAR lightspeed is what caused the destruction of all the other nearby ships in the fleet (nearly instantaneously) because of her hyperspace engine exploding while in use ejecting radioactive particles, hyperspace fuel, and debris from her massive starship hitting their ships at a speed that exceeded the refresh rate of their shields, too...
So in essence, *Holdo's kamikaze hyperspace assault was merely a continuation of both the Falcon crossing planetary shields by intentional accident (Solo almost didn't slow down fast enough) AND the hyperspace capable energy shots from Starkiller Base...* _so besides being a continuation of an existing and rather old thought exercise among physicists, SciFi novelists, and cinema storytellers alike, it also is, in and of itself, a _*_mini storyline within the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Canon that appeals to the Sciece-Fiction often missing from this space opera_*
TheiHow ackbar is awesome 😎
@@natevb9901 just gonna say one thing, Rian Johnson didn’t have a clue what he was doing with this film, also the whole plot of the trilogy made no sense whatsoever and had no continuity, even the actors have spoken out of this
It just seemed like there wasn't a plan at all. It seemed like Holdo just went "I'm in charge and we just keep going until the fuel runs out and if we die... well, I'm in charge"
...a post credit scene that says “just kidding”
Leia opens the shower door, and Han and Luke turn their heads around and say "Good morning!"
just kidding would have fixed everything. Half way through I though i was watching the spaceballs remake....."the search for more money"
We can still have this. I hate the cliche but i would gladly accept a Finn waking up out of his coma in the third one
Then an ACTUAL Star Wars movie starts playing.
Or just, "I'm sorry. - Rian Johnson"
The same could be said about rose' s cheesy and generic line "we wont win this by destroying the things we hate, but saving the ones we love". That could have changed to something like "We're not going to win this by sacrificing everything we have, we're going to win this by being there for whoever needs us". This fits her reasoning for stopping Finn from needlessly sacrificing himself seeing that she had already lost her sister, all the other crew members that sacrificed themselves to by time for the resistance, Holdo sacrificing herself for the transports to escape. At this point there are only enough members of the resistance to fit in the Falcon. So the last thing she wants is to have another person (who she might find as precious as her her sister) give up everything for the resistance that is already short on man power. No use in fighting for a cause if everyone in Crait decided to just charge forward to their death. There would be no one left to oppose the First Order. Plus she no doubt developed feelings for Finn, so some of her motives could be selfish too. At that's how I though it could work. ANYTHING would have been better that what she said in the final cut.
ya but the only reason he was going to do that was because that cannon would have taken out the door. his sacrifice would have been a needed one in saving everyone else.. if not for luke showing up and casing a distraction they would have blown through and slaughtered everyone so this is why rose was still in the wrong because saving one more people would make no difference if that cannon was still active they all were fucked she basically just killed everyone if not for luke.
Cant argue with that, finn did have a legitimate reason to sacrifice himself but this is also why I said rose's reasons for stopping finn was selfish too. I basically saw her as the young and naïve one who still has ways to go, who never really been in an intense situation before and was basically a nobody who worked within the lower depths of the ship. Before meeting finn and going on this mission with him, her only act of heroism was tasing people who tried to jump ship. so to me, rose was the type of person that would let her personal feelings get the better of her despite knowing the stakes, mostly due to her lack of experience and this being her first time. my only beef was that STUPID line.
I hope she dies in the next movie very very soon. Maybe then the characters can do something that actually means something, that actually accomplishes....ANYTHING
+Christopher Munoz
Ironically, Rose's words echo those of director of Empire Strikes Back who explained the Rebellion doesn't quit because they are motivated by love for others not hating the Empire. Read more here
comicbook.com/starwars/2018/02/28/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rose-empire-strikes-back/
Christopher Munoz her line is so stupid when you think about the fact that by "saving the ones she loved" she also doomed them since they didn't know Luke was going to show up so they would have been killed or captured anyway.
Poe "Tell me there is a plan! Tell me you have a plan!"
Holdo "I have a plan"
Poe "okay, thanks"
Yes! That was my thought! How could they be tracking their ship without a spy? How come everyone trusts Finn? This sentence would have added so much to the film. Thank you for saying so succinctly, what no doubt lots of us were thinking.
*rey wakes up*
Luke: you have now seen what would happen if we both do nothing. Shall we go?
*mic drop*
It wouldn’t have gone over well, but it would have gone over better than what we got
he's talking about episode 9....
Totally agree. When I was watching The Last Jedi, I thought that one of them would be a spy. The plot was set up so nicely for a spy, I was shocked that there wasn't one. It would have created an extra level of tension and given the Rebel crews something to do, rather than just waiting for the fuel to run out.
EC Henry: I’m going to try and save STAR WARS
Ruin Johnson: Holdo my beer
Try to save the fan base
I felt that even a line like somewhat like "I won't get into the details right now, but I DO indeed have a plan" would have worked to handle several of the movie's issues, but the idea of her suggesting a spy just seems much better.
How the fuck does Finn and Rose just leave the Rebellion Fleet and fly off to Cantonica without the First Order blasting them or tracking them?
If they could get away so easily why didn't the rest of the Resistance do the same thing?
You'd think Leia would have been evacuated in this way at the very least.
It was stated in the film, they are only tracking the big ships, that's why they abandoned ship on the the transports.
So why didn't they do that sooner? If finn and rose could do it with no problem why couldn't they do it?
giloguy101 did you watch the movie?
Yeah, you seem pretty clueless about what happened in the movie
Rob Lea So explain to me why there wasn't 1,000 fighters off of them? Why was Kylo called back to the ship after he just annihilated the bridge and hanger of Leia's ship? Why didn't he just go to town on them? They just say "Ok Kylo, that was fun. Come back to the ship now. We have to go back to chasing them instead of letting you completely wipe them out." Yeah that makes sense. There's so many plotholes it's on another level. Why do we have the slowest bombers in existence? If they were that slow, they should at least have shields. But THREE are taken out by one to fighter lol. Yes. Go back and watch the scene. It's absurd how terrible these bombers are. Why are they 500000000x worse than Y-Wings? Why on Earth would any military force use them? This is just one tiny fraction of the movie and I'm not even mentioning stuff like no airlock on the ship when Leia walks in, a physical bomb release, an open floor on the bomber (nothing states there's a forcefield there in the movie, it's done in books lol), why the First Order doesn't cut them off, how Finn was conveniently stationed at the Starkiller base and the exact room they need to get to on the Supremacy, etc. I mean the list goes on and on and on and on. There's so many holes that it's staggering. It's beyond comprehension. It's unheard of. And this is in a MAIN movie in possibly the BIGGEST movie franchise of all time. Let that sink in. The biggest movie franchise of all time gets treated as if it's a Bollywood film. I cannot even begin to put this into words. It's simply unfathomable. Yet it happened, it's done, and that movie will forever stain the franchise. I always figured Disney would be decent owners because they'd at least have the money to make sure stuff like this wouldn't happen. They'd have huge staffs writing these movies and making sure every detail was thought out enough to at least make sense. Nope. No lore masters, no script doctors, no second thoughts. Just Johnson in a room killing the most beloved movie franchise of all time with a shit story, shit writing, and nonsensical plotholes. I could've seriously written a better movie. At least one without the absolute astonishing amount of plotholes this one has. I mean Jesus Christ, it's seriously like it was given to a 5th grader.
“Ryan, this isn’t the franchise you are looking for”
Alexandru Moraras Except he's doing like three more movies, isn't he? They just won't focus on the Skywalkers.
One problem with this is Poe is one of the senior command staff, certainly after Ackbar & others get spaced. He's in charge of all the star fighters which makes him one of the highest ranked people on the ship.
Also, Poe was right to push the attack to destroy that fleet killer star destroyer. We saw what it did to their first base which it could easily do again. It can use it's cannon in space considering it's a "fleet killer" and I'd bet it could've destroyed the last few ships with one or two shots.
I know a line that would fix everything. "It was all a dream."
Perfect
Yep, could you wake me up after you do? I need to wake up from this nightmare.
I used to read Word Up magazine.
Salt-n-Pepa and Heavy D up in the limousine
In Finn's coma
Would have been better this way, but I still dislike the treatment of Luke, the killing of Snoke without so much as a backstory, and how ridiculously op Rey is. Seriously she is more powerful than Luke with zero training or effort or adversity.
She isn't more powerful than Luke, During their "Fight" scene, Luke was winning until Rey force pulled the Saber, Rey could only fight 1 Guard while Kylo was fighting 3, Yes Rey is OP without training, yes she is a Mary Sue, No she isn't more powerful than Kylo or Luke
All you had to do is keep your distance and shoot since she can’t block
We got no backstory on the Emperor for 20 years, saw way less of him than Snoke, and he died by getting chucked down a pit.
I personally though Luke made a ton of sense, but I've learned that all comes down to personal preference on whether people want their heros to be legends or humans, so I won't argue.
I do think it's ironic that Luke specifically says that the whole "legend of Luke Skywalker" got people killed and was the reason he left, and then everyone complained about not getting "the legend of Luke Skywalker" just like he was in RotJ.
BreNine but the emperor was at least established: he had been in power for a long time, was the big bad guy, and ruled the whole galaxy. We don't know a thing about smoke and he is already dead. As far as Luke is concerned it's fine if you like him in this movie, it's just odd to see someone who would rather die than kill his father almost kill his nephew. Luke only got angry at Vader because Vader specifically threatened Leia, all Kylo did was, well, nothing. And then the 30 years in solitude thing, that was a bit to much. I would have thought Luke would have been gone a year at most, he never runs away from problems in the original trilogy. And honestly he was boring in the last Jedi, he didn't do much, and he didn't even have the guts to be on Crait when he died a really lackluster death. He never REALLY got to interact with his sister, or his best friend Han, just Cherie, Rey, and through force Skype with Kylo.
I actually assumed something to this effect was the motivation, but yes, it definitely should have been explicitly stated. My problem was just the logistics of that whole chase sequence. Why couldn't a few star destroyers hyperspace ahead and then double back? They don't have any other ships that can be called in for support? The fighters had to withdraw because they couldn't survive against the PDCs of the rebel capital ships without support from the FO capital ships... so in the FO literally just has Star Destroyers and fighters? Nothing in-between? No medium corvettes or frigates fast enough to catch up to the rebels and provide support to the fighters?
Let me help explain.
The film actually has Hux say why they don't jump ahead. you mentioned those things about pdc etc and your right, he said that. But he also said why risk it at all when they can wait for Home One to run out of fuel. What he didn't explain and should be obvious if you understand thrust in space (And I can understand if you don't know, plus star wars has seemingly only just started obeying those rules (though I have a theory on that too) as I didn't get the chase scene at first. Took me severla days to work it out.
The chase is all about thrust. or more specifically CONTINOUS THRUST in a vacuum. We all know that in space a body in motion keep on going right? So people always make the jump (and I did too) that without engines why would teh first order catch up, they are still moving! Well if a rebel ship in front loses its thrust its no longer accelerating so the ship behind will catch up because its still accelerating.
Now this informs the state of the chase (al though it does lead to an interesting though about Holdos hyperjump). The ships while visually looking like they are barely moving were moving at a pace that the fighters could no longer hope to safely manuever at in a vacuum moving to keep up with the racing big ships. They had a short window of attack time then its down to the big ships and who has more fuel. So they didn't risk the small ships. What we ended up with was probably the fastest chase scnee in cinema that looks like they are barely moving (no frame of reference showing actual speed in space).
So the first order could not jump ahead. if they don't jump far enough and don't have teh correct speed comign out of hyper space, bang, rebels ship coudl hit them. too far ahead and they'd lose them. Nah, thats some hyperspace jump navigation and maths i'd hate to try and work out. They coudl come out of hyper space trun round at a full stop and have enough time for them to register home one was just there as it zips past at the ludicrous speed it would be moving.
So hux say do nothing. Its the easiest safest option to win and he's right.
Now Holdo's manuever si pretty dman incredible. when she hyper spaces forward into SNokes ship Home one shoudl actually be moving backward at a stupid speed. So teh question is, did Home one jump through Snokes ship or did it simply stop suddenly and Snokes ship crash into it with the speed he was goign and the speed home one was going combining. Again a maths problem I don't want to tackle.
However. Theres an issue. How does chewie postion the falcon and keep up to snokes ship? He'd have to come out of light speed and maintain his speed ona a tracker that Rey is following which is moving at silly speeds. I think its clear that either chewie was secretl a godlike pilot. I hope we have more chewie next film.
That change would have helped but they definitely should not have claimed Holdo was right at the end, because she was wrong about literally everything except for the ability of a starship to destroy another by jumping to light speed (something Disney had to alter the very structure of the universe to bring about - that's how badly they needed her to be correct about something).
There was no spy - the Empire was using technology to track the Rebels, and Finn tried to explain that but his plan was ignored.
She actually had no plan - abandoning ship at the moment of its destruction and landing on the nearest planet is not a novel plan - it's the only course of action once you have painted yourself into that particular corner.
Her claim that the Empire would not scan for escape pods has no validity. From the beginning of Star Wars in Episode IV, we are shown that it is standard Imperial procedure to scan for and destroy all escape pods leaving a destroyed rebel craft. This is to show the ruthlessness of the Empire, whereas in wars on earth even the most vicious enemies usually rescue people on escape craft/lifeboats. The Empire does this while chasing Leia, which makes her belief in Holdo even more bizarre. And of course throughout movies, television shows, and other media, this is shown to be the case. Destroy the escape pods so no one survives. Or in rare cases capture them if you want information from tortured prisoners. What they never do is fail to scan for such craft.
The Single Line: Rian, you are fired.
It was meant to be Poe and Finn on Cantobite, but they just swapped it out for Rose.
That whole story would have been far more interesting with Poe, and the kiss at the end would make more sense
Roflmao XD
I can't support this enough.
...
wow...
I would have liked to have seen a bromance turn into romance.
So Poe is gay?
Anddddd we needed a line from Del Toro saying that his rose pendant was lost in a bet.
lorenthalas valciari Yes. That was so weird, I was totally expecting something along those lines, but we got nothing.
Or they just didn't get the Slicer they were supposed to...
"Kathleen, you are fired!" (How ONE LINE Fixes The Last Jedi)
This raises an excellent point: When you write a script, you write many drafts, adding new ideas and characters to make a more interesting story, before you finalize it, and even then, you change things as you go along. Ruin Johnson only wrote *ONE DRAFT* of The Last Jedi's script...
*_For some inexplicable reason I get the feeling people won't take as much issue with making edits like this to this film, compared to the OT..._* haha
Are you kidding? There are lot's of fan edits out there, _including_ OT.
I know I know I was just making a joke, I Actually quite like The Adywan edits
Oh, so you *were* kidding. Okay then :)
But... y'know, I *am* kinda looking forward to what people will be able to do with New Trilogy edits, since it really isn't without its flaws, so say the least :)
No movie is without its flaws. After all, the original Star Wars has plenty of flaws.
Boisegang : Perfect example, the _first_ version of Palpatine. That appearance gave such a different perspective of the character.
When I watched the film, I thought there was a spy or a traitor. I must've misheard the dialog regarding the tracking device because I thought the problem was that someone on the rebel ship was sending a signal to be tracked. That would've been a nice twist and departure from being an Empire Strikes Back imitation.
Reuben Kim Except this really isn't an empire copy?
There's callbacks but if you wanna call a tracking device an ESB defining feature naaaaaaaaah they use it all the time in star wars and wider sci fi
Anaverageguy41 yes I agree it's not an ESB copy (more like a mix of ESB and RTJ with their own original stuff), but those elements are there. It's not a carbon a copy as TFA was to ANH. Either way the tracking part isn't the only similarity, I just thought having someone on the inside betray them would be a nice twist. Lando doesn't count cause he was a third party. Ahhhh. Nerd talk. I love it!
I thought spy/tracking device too, cause they for shadowed it with Finn's tracker for rey to find them!
If there was anyone that Holdo should've trusted is Poe. The son of two prominent Rebel fighters and led the attack on Starkiller Base and the dreadnought.
This one hypothetical line would fix a lot of problems and almost the entire Holdo subplot, but it doesn't fix the Last Jedi.
Even not trusting " just Po" does not make sense. This is the guy that was trusted with retrieving the very important information that would lead to finding Luke Skywalker. This is the guy that was trusted to lead the attack on Starkiller base. This was the guy that was ( seemingly) sent out alone to face down the First Order fleet to buy time for the Resistance evacuation. No. Not trusting Po does not make sense. It is madness.
+Lion there was a very blatant feminist agenda in this film.
Not trusting Poe doesn't have to mean thinking that Poe himself could be the spy. It could also mean not trusting a known-maverick to keep the information to himself and not confiding it to the people HE trusts - like a defected Stormtrooper, for instance, or believing that any conversation about the plan could be potentially overheard by the spy.
Not only that, but he was second in command for crying out loud! If anyone was to be told the plan, it should have been Po.
StarryEyed0590
Good points. But, again, as Poe was previously so highly trusted he was appointed to carry out these important tasks, not just shoot em up ones either, the Luke info one required circumspection and secrecy . Of course , since the First Order showed up right after he did, maybe he turned out not to be so good at the secrecy part.
The problem is, they don't write it. The writing , on this point, as on so many in this movie, is lazy. They don't write why he isn't trusted in a meaningful way so we have to guess and make up our own reasons. They do that a lot in this film. They leave gaps for the fans to fill, then, seemingly, heavily criticize when fans do so. The writing is pretty lazy on this , and many other points.
The part about Finn is so odd. Nobody actually seems to care that last week he was working for the enemy. Is that because he helped take out Starkiller base? Why is this not questioned at all. Because of Poe? Because of Han trusting him? If so , why not trust him now? The point is that they don't discuss or address any of this. It is all just what we think of to fill the gaps in the lazy writing that makes up so much of this film. Some may try the " they can't put everything in the movie. It was already over two hours." To which I point out that they found time for scenes containing such essential plot elements as Luke Skywalker milking a seabeast and drinking it. Luke fishing. BB8 being mistaken for a slot machine. Chewbacca roasting porgs. They could have cut any of these for a discussion between Haldo and one of her command staff addressing the Poe/Finn/spy issue. They really could have cut one of those scenes to give us a discussion/argument between Luke and Chewbacca over why Luke has turned his back on his friends, family, and the New Republic. As it is they basically have Chewie as Rey's disinterested chauffeur, who has not interest in what is going on with either Luke , or the galaxy at large. He just wants to eat his porg meal and do whatever the girl he met last weekend tells him to. He isn't really a character in this movie. He surely is not the character we met in A New Hope. The one who, even if he always backs Han's plans, certainly had his own opinions and let you know about them. Now he just does whatever Rey says to do, no argument, no discussion, even when it seems stupid and suicidal. What a waste.
Nate Powe
Not sure where Poe was in the militaryesque hierarchy of the Resistance Fleet. Hell. They don't even fallow USA naval rank system too closely as making Poe a Captain, when he was formerly a commander would mean a promotion under our rules, not a demotion.
One line.... plus rewrite parts of the film.
Remove all of the sjw/ vegan propaganda... Or at least make it more subtle and not in the way of the actual plot.
I relly enjoyed the Last Jedi, but I generally agree with you: I was kind of surprised the movie *didn't* go with a "we may have a spy aboard!" subplot. You wouldn't need to changed that much, really.
Having that line though would then trade off suspense for Holdo's character, who we're not supposed to trust, in exchange for the plot being meticulously explained for that contingency when it doesn't need to. We could just infer that Holdo didn't tell Poe the plan because he's not to be trusted as he just got demoted and that the other crew members go along with the plan because they trust Poe more or think his plan is better, not that Holdo just didn't have one.
No, that does not fix everything. The movie is broken on a fundamental level, to the point where literally every character has no reason for anything they do, and most of them even act against what their reason should be.
I kind of thought Holdo was the traitor, at least, that's what the film seem'd to be implying. She said some asinine drivel about hope, and told them to carry on even as their ships were being blasted apart beside them.
Edit: you should probably be writing for the next movie, too :)
Matthew Housham It was directly implying there was a traitor from the moment Snoke is told they have the Rebels on a string, to the moment Finn and Rose mention the technology only they knew was possible.
It directly set up Holdo as a traitor, set up Poe as a traitor in Holdo's eye, says no it might not be Holdo cause this technology may or may not have been finished, has Poe figure out half the plan and commit mutiny with the remaining flyers thinking it's a suicidal plan, then says yes the technology was finished and Holdo wasn't a traitor. And because Poe broke chain of command he ruined the plan and got a lot more people killed for nothing, again, for the second time in the movie.
The anti-feminists like to point at Holdo and shout about her being blatant pandering to feminists even though she has that line about "liking bad boy's" that I'd never hear a feminist say. Modern feminism is the reason for a lot of shitty things but I think tying Holdo to them is a bit of a reach.
Poe did nothing to cause harm for the Rebels. I mean, the Empire (as the officer revealed on the ship when DJ was revealed to be a turncoat) had scanners that were going to detect the shuttles no matter what. Neither Poe nor Holdo had a better plan than the other on what to do. Besides, Holdo was a bitch for no reason. She chewed into Poe even though his plan worked-destroying the dreadnought that would have obliterated the rebel fleet as soon as the empire got the drop on them. Not to mention being the guy who single-handedly blew up the Death Star 3, and going through a great deal for the Rebellion. If she should have been biting with anyone, it should have been Finn (their recent addition from the Empire).
The very beginning of the movie had Poe break rank and sacrifice their entire bomber fleet and most of their fighter fleet all to take out that dreadnought rather than run away. He took out that ship at the cost of all those lives and that decision gave the First Order time to move their flagship with the Lightspeed tracker into range to track them before they got away. He's the entire reason they didn't get away at the start.
They also go over the fact that they wouldn't have been looking for the smaller ships, that all their tracking was focused on watching for the big ship to make another jump.
Well, if the bomber crews though it was bad, why'd they go through with it? Leia was probably talking on an open frequency to all the Rebel ships, maybe they ignored her because they thought it was worth the risk.
And that tracker thing was really stupid. Why only have one ship with the tracking beacon on? Why not have every ship in the Imperial fleet with their trackers on in case individual ships try to make a break for it?
It's like you didn't even watch the movie.
Poe is the Commander of Black Squadron and he was the Resistance's best pilot. He was a legend among the resistance for his flying prowess. That's why he had pull with the other pilots in that battle and why later the pilots back him up in the mutiny. The problem is he's an expert flyer not an expert tactician, he ignored the bigger picture and got people killed.
Also the tracker is only on one ship, again because they explained it, cause it's the prototype. It's brand new technology that even Rose and Finn doubted could have been finished at the time.
Thank you!!!! This was what I was thinking I love you man
The issue with the mutiny is that the movie seems to gloss over the fact that in order to have a successful mutiney, you need a strong majority if not the entirety of the crew to agree to it
Absolutely agree 100%. About Admiral Haldo and her secrecy and that one line. I personally think Phasma was totally wasted and the trip to the Casino planet was poorly executed, and frankly I''d've cut at least one or two fight scenes altogether (top of the list--Finn and Phasma). But you've put your finger on the single biggest legitimate gripe in terms of plot. And to some it would have made zero difference at all.
David MacDowell Blue I agree.
There was a decent bit of unnecessary scenes to please a “wider spectrum” of the audience.
Also Luke was portrayed as having a “I gave up hope” mentality which is in stark contrast to Luke in the originals. He was generally just wasted in this movie as well. He had so much potential as being one of the more significant connections to the originals. Now all they have left to kill is Leia because it seems like they’re slowly purging everything from the previous movies to make way for new and “shiny” characters!
(RIP Akbar, Luke, Han)(btw the droids and Chewbacca and the Falcon have “too much sentimental value” to kill off)
In fact, Yoda played an odd role (the whole movie did too) and really represented what this new trilogy’s goal is. “The old is gone, accept the new.” Which is different than what I thought Yoda would do. It is as if they’re trying to say, let’s get away from that old stuff and focus on what we’re doing now! Think storm troopers are cool? Check it out, we now have a shiny storm trooper! SHAM FREAKING WOW!! (Sorry that’s my opinion of the shiny trooper)
Bob, Yoda's change of mind was straight out of the EU. In the legends content surrounding Revenge of the Sith, he realized that the Jedi had devoted themselves so completely to the light, it had utterly blinded them to the dark. In EU, this results in the creation of the Grey Jedi. So that definitely wasn't a new thing.
On a more personal note, I think Luke being in stark contrast to the Luke we remember was the entire point. It has been decades and he has lost everything. When you look at it from his view, it is easy to see the Jedi as having caused more problems than they solved. The sith were basically gone until HIS apprentice, a Jedi, fell to the dark side. The original Jedi were wiped out and the Emipre took over because a JEDI fell to the dark side. There's definitely a pattern, and it's one that could definitely be believed by somebody who had been through what Luke had. I think people underestimate what 30 years of tragedy can do to a man.
But beyond that, the whole point is that he realizes that he was wrong. He sacrifices himself, depleting every bit of strength he possesses, to give the galaxy one final shot at redemption. And then he passes into the living force, for the first time in his life, truly at peace.
Better than Yoda. Yoda went "I'm old now, bye!" and fucked off.
Bob Higgins Yoda said that there was nothing in those books Rey didn't already have because she stole the books before leaving. Destroying the tree just forced Luke to focus on the problems the rest of the galaxy is having. I felt that was the kind of thing Yoda would do.
Fair enough. What I said was based off of what I had known from previous experience. Thanks for the information. I obviously don’t know anything about the EU.
So yeah what you guys are saying makes sense. I just was hoping for something different.
What about how Rey went from lifting pebbles to entire boulders? How about Leia flying through space? No one line does not fix the entire movie.
you could argue that she did think there was a spy and that she didn't want people to know that and cause mass hysteria on the ship were everyone betrays everyone like in The Shelter from Twilight Zone.
I still think a big problem is that if they had shuttles they could leave the ship with in hyperspace to some random planet, why couldn't they just start shuttling people off the ship with all of them? Go to different locations too so they couldn't be followed by the spy. Refuel somewhere if necessary. What was the point of the entire fleet staying together anyway? The casino planet was almost completely pointless anyway. Also, everyone was worried she would get them all killed, and she did! It was a bad plan that reduced the biggest resistance force to 10 people who only survived by dumb luck anyway.
the line to fix Last Jedi is Finn waking up and saying ‘thank god it was all just a bad dream’
yeah no. that is stupid
Yes it is stupid. Finn waking up was the first thing they did wrong.
after the extrem stupid battle at the beginning
I watch all of EC Henry's videos - he deserves a million subs!
YES!
This would help with issues I had with the film, my major complaint though is the fact that there was no real payoffs to things set up in the last movie lol.
a Mystery Box that JJ gave us years ago, we waited two years, and then, when opened revels... plain rice. and it's our fault for having *unrealistic expectations* of a Fantasy movie with magic powers and hyperdrives.
The lack of payoffs was actually brilliant. ESB had the biggest twist in film ever. There's no way to top that with a weirder reveal because it would be pandering and ridiculous. Everyone though this one would do the same with everything, but then it wouldn't be a twist because you're expecting it.
The only line I can think of that could of had any chance of saving The Last Jedi would have had to have been said before full production and release of the movie, and it would have been... Rian, you're Fired!
Oh man, EC Henry, Rise of Skywalker must have been ROUGH for you!
Admiral Ackbar or Princess Leia should have been the one to kamikaze into the destroyer.
Qilt General :D
Akbar last words to the First Order... "It's a Trap" (blam!)
SO TRUE!
*nods* would have been a far better death for the character than the inevitable offscreen death Leia will likely have... She deserves better.
It being akbar would have changed nothing. He is a character we know nothing about and nobody really cares about him beyond the "It's a trap" meme. He may be iconic, but he never was an important or interesting character.
Idk there's to many problems for this one bandaid to fix in my opinion anyway
*THANK YOU*
This band-AID is gushing plot holes
Rian Johnson doomed the movie. He wrote Poe and Holdo.
Finn learning to fly during his coma is just a prime example of how much they don’t care about continuity and character. Just including that line is an improvement but they would need to uncover the traitor then. Otherwise, it would be another loose end amongst many.
This is exactly what I thought after I saw the film - that if Holdo had just said she was worried about a traitor it would have fixed many of my issues with the film.
The main problem with the film in my opinion is that it pretty much destroyed all importance of everything that came before. The original trilogy pretty much didn't matter since all character growth and plot points didn't make an impact. Leia and Han's relationship didn't work, Luke became a nihilistic hermit, the empire grew in power once again and the rebellion went back to what it was before. Also, the seventh movie seemed to have little to no impact on the plot of TLJ. Although the Resistance destroyed the planet canon thingy, it was in a worse condition than before, and the First Order was seemingly unshaken. They didn't even address why Luke would leave a map with his current location if he wanted to simply die alone. The line you proposed would certainly make the movie better, but in my book it would still be fundamentally flawed.
You've got it exactly right my friend.
Starkiller Base shouldn't have been totally destroyed in Ep.VII. The cannon complex needed to be just a secret military installation on a unremarkable New Republic planet. And up until then, it should've been made clear that the First Order wasn't in control of the galaxy - the New Republic on Hosnian Prime had been. The story was hopelessly muddled by trying to dive back into a "Empire vs. Rebels" mindset, and just further pushed us into seeing it as a ripoff of New Hope.
First, keeping the peace is tougher than waging a war. Look at how the end of the Cold War in real life didn't end communism. Naturally, after a couple of generations, people have forgotten the evils of communism, which is making a comeback among college professors, voters, and politicians.
Similarly, after 30 years, the galaxy in Star Wars, especially the New Republic, forgot just how evil and dangerous the Empire was. The First Order took advantage of this and used Starkiller Base to fire a surprise strike that wiped out the NR leadership. This left Leia's resistance without any backup, leaving them worse off than the Rebels of the previous generation.
This is why the First Order is in such a strong position at the start of The Last Jedi. However, with Snoke dead and an unstable Kylo in command, the FO could collapse from within before being destroyed from without.
Actually I don't think the empire ever lost much power. Sure they lost their main leader, but all the celebrations at the end of the new editions of RotJ were pretty premature, because the empire was still a force to be reckoned with. A major military power like that isn't going to dissolve just because Sidious and Vader died. There might be some disarray, but it's a galaxy wide organization, there would be people to take hold of the reins. They weren't a military that was stretched too thin and forced to surrender when their leader died, despite how they were modeled on Hitler's nazis.
They should have left RotJ with just the celebration on Endor, a post-battle party rather than a post-war party, since the war would not realistically have been over.
Henrique do Ó
"The main problem with the film in my opinion is that it pretty much destroyed all importance of everything that came before."
Then they were sucessful. As I think that was the entire point of this movie. They want to " kill the past" while still being able to garner fans and their $$$$.
Yeah, Just replace her with Ackbar.
Mil John as far as I know, Disney's reason for not letting Ackbar do it, was the fact that his name is Ackbar, and would do a Suicide Kamikaze into the Dreadnought.
You know, as in Allahu Akbar?
It's a stupid fucking reason, alas not the only one, but can you imagine the shitstorm this would have created in the over-sensitive parts of the US?
Rodrianius Hey at least yelling gods name makes you not afraid of death
Or what about
Rose: I saved you dummy, its not about fighting what we hate, but saving what we love
Finn: WHAT THE HECK DID YOU THINK I WAS DOING!!!!!!!
Dude...I’m pretty sure you read my mind to make this video. This is exactly what I’ve been thinking about since the movie premiered.
Admiral Holdo is another example of the "Janeway Effect", when a writer makes a woman be the leader that women must some how always be right. Even when the character does something questionable or even wrong it must be framed as her being right because if a women is shown as being wrong (or worse she expresses doubt *gasp*) she is now somehow less than a man would be if they were wrong. Its so unbelievably stupid and lazy for a writer to do, yet they keep doing it. I just want to shove one of David Weber's 'Honor Harrington' novels in their face and say, "See: THIS is how you right a competent female leader; step one you make her an actual character and not a caricature, step two you make her a competent leader who just happens to be female".
You do NOT diss Captain Kathryn Janeway in front of me, you little SHIT.
Janeway was more complex than you are saying here. She questioned her own judgement many times and yet broke the rules when she deemed it necessary...a lot like Kirk and Picard, IMO.
Voyager is PC in terms of its diversity quota, but apart from that everything seems to be normal. Janeway seemed like a less forced character than Holdo.
William Magoffin you can see this when Disney took over Star Wars
IE: Rey, jyn erso, and holdo
What about Amidala? All female Jedi, Anakin's mother, the female bounty hunter that Jango Fett killed. Let's point to any female character in the films and blame Disney.
Lemme guess it’s “we have a spy onboard.”
Just watched the video and I said this multiple times to my friends before this video came out glad to see I wasn’t the only one who thought of it
She should still tell Poe the plan. Because the one person who is 100%not a double agent is the guy who blew up star killer base
firekram that's what someone who is a spy would expect them to think
Matthewn57 Poe has literally done more damage to the first order then he could ever do to the resistance
This is exactly what I thought was going to be the subplot when she refused to tell Poe. It's logical. Silly script writers.
You keep asserting that Holdo told nobody, but she clearly told those in the crew she trusted, including the British woman who handles much of the exposition.
Another one:
Rey: "So, you coming"?
Luke: "Yeah!".
since i saw the movie for the first time this was my head-canon because otherwise it does not make sense. so this issue hurts the movie for most people but it didnt hurt the story for me personaly because its what i assumed wa sgoing on anyway.
I would be fine with a special edition for this movie. let george have so fun with it.
I just assumed Poe was in the dog house and it's a military organisation and Admirals don't have to explain themselves to recently demoted commander (or even Captain). *shrug*
The Resistance is more of a Terrorist Organization than a military one.
Watching the movie, I was convinced purple hair was going to be revealed as a first order spy... I wish she had been.
Vice Admiral Gender Studies :-D
she even acted more like the imperials then any of the other command staff... at least until it was time for her 'heroic sacrifice'
Watching the movie the first moment she was on screen I was like "Disney wants to make sure even 5 year olds know she's a lesbian?" I mean, she doesn't have a nose piercing and half-shaved head, but come on.... That's not how you introduce a lgbt character.
darth - The fact that you caught that from her *first moment* on screen is remarkable. I'm just saying, some of us were more taken aback by a renown [unknown] vice admiral taking command *from outta nowhere* while the ship is being tracked via device or possible spy.
plot twist.... the hair itself IS the spy :}
The Holdo thing is explained a little bit in the visual dictionary. It says that this was Leia’s original plan and Holdo knew it but she didn’t say anything because Leia wanted to keep it secret. If Leia wouldn’t have been taken out, no one would have questioned her. So, when Poe turns on Holdo she says she hopes he knows what he’s doing because I don’t think she fully believed that her/Leias Plan was going to work
I've got a good direction. In the next episode Skywalker wakes up to realise it's all been a nightmare.
Well done, That's A great addition, and fits in surprisingly well (such as you suggested, Finn being accused as a traitor, And being further motivated), it makes me think Of the possibility this traitor idea was in there in some form and was dropped for some reason, which would be aggravating if it was the case(As this idea pretty much quells the major problem I had). Although I cant imagine any sane reason why such a point would be lost.
If this was in there, I think a lot of people would have much less of a problem with her character, Although as others have argued, she did have a compelling reason not to tell Poe anything at least, considering that _hot shot_ attitude got a whole squadron of bombers obliterated....... *_HER_* squadron of bombers(they were assigned to the Ninka, the ship she was in command of previously).
But the thing is- his hot-shot actions allowed the canons to be taken out; that's what he disobeyed orders on. Leia, to all appearances, is the one that actually launched the bombers at his suggestion; the buck stops with her. If she hadn't agreed with Poe, his actions would've endangered no one but himself. That's the unfortunate issue with both Leia and Holdo here- they both treat Poe as culpable for the lives lost because Leia can't accept responsibilities for her own actions. She let Poe convince her, but once he took out the last canon, she was convinced and- apparently- was the one that launched the bombers. Or, if they all launched because they heard Poe say 'launch the bombers,' she stood by and gave no order countermanding that launch.
Which is an entirely different plot hole that needs fixing, sadly. At best, I can give the movie credit and say that this is intended to be Leia's story-arc; realizing she's not ready to lead anymore because she can't deal with the necessary losses (those bombers all died, but they literally saved the fleet by ensuring that Dreadnaught and its mega-canons weren't there to end the chase-sequence abruptly a few minutes later), and realizing that it's compromised her ability to lead effectively,thus she needs to hand it off to someone else, and further assume that Holdo only got her info second-hand and is misinformed without being able to talk to Leia directly. But that's also being VERY generous with the creators' intentions. :-)
hmmmmmm you definitely have a point there, perhaps it was how Poe commanded the bombers, how he treated them?.... But I'm grasping at straws here.
While hindsight is always 20/20, yeah..... If they didn't take out that dreadnought _things would have gone a bit differently_
Very differently. There wouldn't have even been 12 people for Luke to help out when the time came. The Resistance would've just been Rey and Chewie essentially. That Dreadnaught would've made short work of the Raddus once they caught up.
No, but we do need it resolved. I mean if there was a traitor then what happened to them?
+Dreadnought Ai Wasn't it being her squadron of bombers something from the books? Not in the movie?
+Andrewn Gilbertson That and Leia only really talks to Poe and no one else to call off the attack. Given she could of done that but doesn't seem to, if she really wanted to call off this attack.
I agree with your reasoning on this one issue, but in the end it only would have made *The Last Jedi* slightly less bad, because there are still an ocean of problems with with it.
*Attack of the Clones* wasn't good but unlike *The Last Jedi* I still walked away from the experience looking forward to the next film. It also payed off the expectations I had upon entering the cinema, such as seeing the Jedi knights in action and watching Yoda fight.
I got little satisfaction from the *The Last Jedi* and in several instances it presented to me the opposite of what I was hoping for. I left the cinema not thinking 'What's next?' but instead thinking 'Now what?'
Jwlz T Well said
Agreed. The prequels were bad Star Wars movies, but they were still Star Wars. TLJ is just a bad movie, a bad story, just...bad. I left Clones thinking, man, that could've been better. I left TLJ like someone who leaves his dentist in a haze realizing he shouldn't have been put out for 3 hours for a simple cleaning and wondering whether he still has his kidneys.
False, you need to go read a book on Script writing.
EmeraldArcher39 I agree
YES! AotC is far from an amazing movie but I'd sooner go to hell than say it's worse than TLJ. I have no clue how ANYONE could seriously say that TLJ is a better movie. I don't care about Ep 9 at all after 8. It's terrible lol. It kills the lore, kills our beloved characters (literally and figuratively...), it has glaring plotholes, it's long, and it has Rose in it. Rose, the worst character in Star Wars history. Imagine if Qui Gon and Jar Jar went off on a journey together and ate up 40 minutes of Ep 1 doing nothing. That's Finn and Rose in TLJ.
So seriously, I would never, ever, EVER say that Ep 8 is better than 2. You'd find me getting a Kardashian tattooed on me before I'd ever utter those words.
Oh so according to this I must have imagined the CHARACTER ASSASSINATION of Luke in the movie good to know. Poe was the CAG thus a member of the command staff
A commander is NEVER required to explain their reasoning to their subordinates