Surviving in Space: You Don't Need THE FORCE
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- Опубліковано 31 гру 2017
- Looks like THAT scene isn't actually so scientifically inaccurate after all! You don't need space magic to survive in a vacuum.
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OK I'll admit it, I've tried using the Force.
I admit too..
gemini star I tryed using the Force too....I think I moved something like 2 inches, and it never worked again.
EXACTLY!
EVERYBODY has tried to use the force🤗
You are not a jedi...yet!
Leia lived for the same reason Maul survived being cut in half: the Force is hax.
Good video, by the way.
@Martin Plumley And even if she didn’t have the force she could’ve survived that amount of time in space.
@@chewy99. not quite. it's actually 15 seconds to black out and 2 minutes to death. Leia woke (which shouldn't have happened, admittedly) after being concussed by the explosive blast that traveled through the atmosphere in the bridge in the moments before explosive decompression. so it's conceivable, although unlikely for her to survive. her survival would require either a crack EVA team or a few droids able to pull her into an airlock. she definitely shouldn't be walking for a day or so.
@@rominkivela9351 I agree, I think if she didn’t have the force it’d be a little unlikely she’d survive the blast, and I do know the times for space survival, I was just saying she’d be able to survive in space for that time.
@@chewy99. oh ok. but i think we can agree the biggest thing wrong here is the whole waking up in space thing because that is a load of bullshit
@@rominkivela9351
I thought it was 5 minutes to death?
The biggest issue with that scene, in my mind, is the fact Leia woke up in vacuum, after being out there for a bit. If I was directing this scene, I'd have her desperately trying to do a force pull during the first 10-15 seconds, before passing out, and having the inertia of the force pull carry her to the airlock, and rescue.
Didn't her father stay conscious when literally burning alive?
@@RRW359 and while breathing gear was fried with lightning.
@@RRW359 Cus people have totally never survived being burned alive in real life.
@@Blackbeardpirategodthefatass This isn't about whether he survived. Animals have survived vacuums just as long as Leia did in TLJ and while examples are (thankfully) limited, it's thought people can last longer than Leia did in a vacuum.
However, OP said it was unlikely that Leia would have regained consciousness. I don't think there's any IRL examples of someone staying conscious when burning in a similar way to Vader, so it's already been established that at least some people (presumable force-sensatives) in the Star Wars universe can regain consciousness after traumatic events.
Also, does anyone remember when Leia, Han, and Chewy went into (what they must have assumed was) a vacuum only using breathmasks and not pressure suits in ESB?
@@RRW359 I think they were inside a giant organism the space worm or something. But then, they did think it was in space....
Nasa threw some dogs in a vacuum (Experimental Animal Decompressions to a Near-Vacuum Environment is the name of it). The dogs passed out in about 10 sec. Also the dogs bloasted up, vomited, defecated and urinated. Also the saliva froze over. Some recovered though.
I think a guy called Jim had an accident and passed out in about 15 seconds. He said that he felt his saliva boiling.
Yeah I don't think they can put that in a Star Wars movie.
It seems everyone is ignoring that the bridge was hit with 2 missiles. I am pretty sure at that range the force of being pushed forward then being sucked out will kill a person, that neck is broken, also shrapnels.
"The very first time we'd find out- is by trying to pull something toward us." "Admit it. You've tried."
The problem is that this assumption is nowhere based in Lucas' canon.
I didn't think she lost consciousness at all. I think she closed her eyes as she was being blown out, to help her focus (like Luke did in the ice cave). The Force probably helped keep her awake. Then she opened her eyes, did the pull, and likely passed out on the way. Remember, once you start moving in space, you keep moving in the same direction. As soon as she started moving, she could pass out and still be fine.
Might've also closed the eyes instinctively, to avoid the damage from all the microhubris flying around
When I saw that that scene I felt almost relieved to see Leia finally demonstrate a force power other than some "force feeling" for her loved ones across vast distances. That said I saw nothing wrong with how that scene was depicted although I didn't know that heat would not immdiately dissapate. I like how you explained it EC Henry and thank you!
Leia's killing of Jaba had her drawing on the dark side of the force. Huts have thick hides and are pure mucus and muscle. She weighed like 110 when she did it... it's canon too.
That's... no, lol. That's extra that isn't really needed... That's like what that one nerd says with the "genius at work" shirt in The Simpsons at that Itchy and Scratchy panel Homer sat in on where the question was about two notes being played on one key.. lol
Point being, you can see Leia choking Jaba and not have one of those "wait a minute, something isn't adding up here" moments. This is different. You don't need science to explain why someone is choking from a chain constricted around their neck, hutt or otherwise. You need science to explain and justify this scene.
this is because people assumes that a chain strangling the neck will ALWAYS chocke to death someone (even if a dragon) and space is ALWAYS instant death.
At the end it boils down to radicated biases, instilled by movie cliches.
Like gunshots, or arrows strikes, or falls that in the movies instant kill people, while reality is much uglier, painstaking and surprising than that.
Ricky Schlecht That makes so much more sense. That was such a dumb scene. Wow I didn't know Jabba's windpipe was directly under his skin and not by the throat.
Ricky Schlect Hutts have thick hides but weak windpipes! As for muscle? Hardly, Jabba could barely move on his own.
@@ddrguy3008 Darth Maul survived being cut in half for fuck sake.
My only problem was that it looked pretty friggin goofy
fridge_party Just saying “this is Star Wars” isn’t a good enough excuse
Do you really know Star Wars? Because it has many fantastic and unbelivable events, but you find goofy a force sensitive pulling herself to a ship. hahahaha
Watch Star Wars again.
@@Alex-ji6ob Yeah, it is. Sound in space, "immaculate" conception via magic bacteria (which should count as even more than two excuses), Darth Maul surviving SOLELY because he was a fan favorite (don't anyone fucking lie, we all know that's why it really happened). And if you want to claim some nonsense about the original trilogy having nothing this bad aside from the Ewoks... 'Kay. In A New Hope, why did the Death Star arrive in equatorial orbit of Yavin instead of polar orbit, where it would've had not only an instant clear shot at Yavin IV regardless of its position in orbit, but would arguably be closer to the moon than the distance where it would first emerge around from around the horizon, like in the movie? Because the plot needed a ticking clock, that's why it happened.
"This is Star Wars" is ALWAYS a good enough excuse, even if you're a hardcore fan. Here's another one: various planets and moons featured have different official sizes and masses, but appear to have the same relative gravity. Do they all coincidentally spin perfectly to compensate this, or are all the planets and moons conveniently so dense that they all appear to exert 1G on the characters? And another one: if blasters and lightsabers are focused plasma, why are they constantly referred to as laser weapons when they are definitely established as plasma weapons? Why does Luke shrug off the death of his best childhood friend in the first Death Star assault? Why do ships always seem to fight as if they are restricted to operating on a basic plane?
Because "This is Star Wars."
Knight《☆》Bishop the person youre saying this to said in their own opinion it isnt enough, he didnt say that for YOUR opinion “this is star wars” cant be good enough. I think their point also had to do more with the look and feel of it, once again i too think her pulling herself back looked goofy and like mary poppins new apprentice. They could have done the scene differently to have it fit in better, or not at all given how ass the movie was overall butttt
I also said it looked goofy, I had no problem with the concept all on its own. Because it while I get that Leia is pulling herself towards the Raddus, it still looks like she's flying like a super hero.
I have no idea why people thinking me saying something should look better means I don't like said thing or that it's inconsistent with the universe
“Admit it! You’ve tried”
I’m 20 and to this day I still get very frustrated I can’t force pull my tv remote 😂😂
I thought the scene was absolutely awesome. It made perfect visual sense to me and was a powerful, striking cinematic/operatic reminder of the power of the force. I found Leia's moment spectacular, using the force to survive just long enough to pull herself, with a minimal amount of movement on her part, back to the ship where she immediately collapsed. The character and the actor are both old in the film. Her use of the force is effortless, minimal, elegant, magical. Loved it. No one laughed in the movie theater at that moment. People were stunned and mesmerised.
“Im a MASSIVE Star Wars fan, but I only like 4 and 5”
i half expected shooting star
Madcircle Tohell Have you seen that video?
Me too
A shooting star from her butt. Call it a force fart 💨 🤣. To much force can create a shart. Now that would be baleavable 🤣 🤣 🤣
"NO ! YOU CAN'T SURVIVE IN SPACE EVEN WITH THE FORCE !"
Plo Koon and his Clone Squaldron : allow us to introduce ourselves
Years passed between Episode 4 and 5 and you're assuming Luke only trained his powers for "seconds" in the first movie?
And I think the biggest issue in this scene is that they opened the door to Leia while she was still exposed to the vacuum of space, she was still floating when she touched it, we don't see any shield or anything go up because there was debris still floating, and then they drag her in like there wasn't zero-g behind the door anymore.
banido Leia should have lifted the boulders, not Rey
there is a second door (bordered in red) having a force field that works as the secont compartment of a decompression chamber. That things float outside the door implies only absence of gravity.
Why didn't you use it against Jabba then? she isn't a force use.
In Clone Wars a baby uses the force to levitate a ball
also forgeting that she had like, two or more decades of time for luke to train her in SOME manner.
Personally, my jaw dropped when this scene happened. Evidently whether it was “goofy” or not is a matter of opinion. It absolutely worked for me and I’m tragically sorry for anyone who didn’t share in that incredible experience. If you get over it, I promise you’ll have a lot more fun.
I’m not sure what has caused people to see this, visually, with disdain.
This scene made me cry with joy. Also, with sadness. We’ll never see leia’s force powers grow like they were supposed to in 9.
3:35 I just assumed they pulled out the underwater breathing apparati that they use later to get to the Gungan city, but this is cooler and helps explain away any minor nitpicks with the Leia Poppins scene.
I had much more of an issue with them opening the door to let her in without everyone getting immediately sucked out into the void with her.
There’s an airlock
Worth mentioning she also just got hit by a fucking missile....
With this scene, I was already super in emotional turmoil because I thought they were killing off Leia at that point and then the surprise of her waking up and force pulling herself into the ship was just like...whoa. And then I am sad again because Carrie Fisher is no longer with us and it would be amazing to see more of what Leia’s full Force potential is. 😢
That might not of even been her first force act, it’s just the first we’ve seen on screen. After all these new films takes place around 30 years after rotj
It’s most assuredly not, as we see Luke training her in the flashbacks in ROS.
She still looks goofy, which is my only complaint.
Caleb Chaney. Lots of shit in starwars looks goofy.... most shit in starwars looks goofy actually.
Caleb Chaney
Agreed. How could anyone make that not look goofy?
The Boulder right.
They probably would have shot it better is Carrie hadn’t passed
Andrew Nicholson They finished filming long before she died. This was their best shot.
When the door opens directly into space.
Nice work. What bugged me more was that the ship was under acceleration. She should have been left far behind
Or blown out and then thrown straight back in again to the same hole by the forward motion of the ship. I suppose she has the same relative velocity or some such so she's actually moving with the ship - just slightly ahead of it she just appears to be stationary from the way it's shot.
It's a laugh really as the physics that would keep her in front of the ship (by virtue of their being nothing to act upon her to slow her down) is the same Physics the bonk on the head with an unlit ligfhtsaber later buy showing the ships essentially stop when they run out of fuel.
When the correct way to show it is that The First Order would catch up as they are still under acceleration.
We all have to pretend to not notice that the ship has been accelerating for 12 hours so would be doing some idiotic proportion of the speed of light by now - and so would flash past their destination planet in an instant and have no way to stop.
Not to mention that the only way they could reach that world in 12 hours is to be well inside the scannable range of it when they exited Hyperspace - and the First Order had 12 hours to figure out where they were heading... with the full access to the Imperial Database they'd stolen... The Same database that had the plans to the Hyperspace Tracker in it from 40 years before.
Well, the ship is under acceleration, which means that its velocity is building every moment. Leia has the same relative velocity as the ship until she is blown out. At which point the ships relative velocity continues to increase, while Leia, who is no longer under acceleration, maintains the same velocity.
That too.
The ship wasn’t moving when she came back
Of course it was moving. Everything is moving. Do you mean it wasn't accelerating? If it wasn't, the First Order fleet would have caught up.
The art is incredible! Can you do this for future videos?
This isn't rapid decompression, it's explosive decompression.
I loved the scene, it was highly emotional then suddenly very bad ass. Given I also already knew surviving decompression was a thing.
No burns? No shrapnel? No brain trauma? Not even a little whip lash? Space was the only death defying aspect of that moment?
Another thing we haven’t mentioned yet is that this is 30-40 years after Return of the Jedi. No one ever even said this was her first time ever using the force to begin with. At any time during those four decades she must have gained at least some training and guidance from Luke even if she never used it in combat. And we do have a third instance of Force survival. In the extended universe, Darth Vader could use the power of the Force alone to sustain and revive himself for several hours in the event that his life support systems fail him, and I imagine that the vacuum knockout thing would work the same way here.
It's also how he survived right after being burned in the first place
He would have suffocated otherwise from the damage to his lungs
come on saitaman survived on the moon too
Madcircle Tohell he is stronger.
entZEROspawn he can’t even breath on the moon
Which is kind logical as there is no air to breathe, so I guess the anime is more belviable than Star Wars now.
entZEROspawn what do you mean? You didn’t prove anything saitama would have died
He didn't die, he was strong enough to hold his breath and jump back, as the OP said he survived being on the moon, and I said he is also stronger so he could survive holding the air in and the harsh environment din't hurt him either, don't know what you mean with proving it as that is what we saw in the show.
How the hell did poe and the other's not get sucked outside their ship when they opened the door to let Leia in?
They should not have shown ice forming on her face because vacuum is such a good insulator it would take days for her to freeze.
Yeah, it’s frustrating when they do that frost effect. Guardians of the Galaxy did it, Rebels did it, and The Last Jedi did it, and it’s all just a bone thrown to the idea that space ought to be conventionally “cold”.
I guess it looks more attractive than swelling up and turning red from burst capillaries, haha
@@ECHenry same as they did whit the Chernobyl mini series, where the fire fighter was supposed to go completly black but made him like an red missplaced human...
she's Darth Vader's daughter? what do people expect? plus, Leia deserved a moment of greatness, and so did Carrie.
Agreed. Beautifully shot scene and really engaging. The science behind it only comes second.
It looked goofy, but I think the music (and just the fact that Leia is using the force) makes up for it.
0:58 I admit it! gotta make sure! practice makes perfect.
I don't think she ever really lost consciousness. You can see her reacting to the bomb seconds before it goes off. She closed her eyes and meditated. What she then did was use the Force's telekinetic ability to create artificial "air pressure" on her skin, allowing her to retain the air in her lungs without them rupturing, and allowing her blood to remain oxygenated. Then, she opened her eyes and used a Force pull, and Newton's laws of motion are in play.
The cool thing there is, if pulling on the ship with the Force pulls her to it, then Jedi should be able to wall-crawl like Spider-Man.
I assume the raddus was in motion during that scene. there is no point in completly stopping the ship from moving and from the moment leia was sucked out of the ship she would have traveled a large distance at the same speed for over a minute so she would have to be extremely far away from the raddus, right?
i didnt even think about this until i saw this video. i just came up with that since i like to complain about this scene i guess.
in the end i dont care if there is a explanation for her survival. the scene just looked silly and it felt wrong given its the last we'll see from carry fisher and made me unable to enjoy the rest of the film. its just frustrating.
When Leia was blown out in front of the ship she was given some extra speed and it's entirely possible that, since the Raddus's engines were giving the ship a constant forward acceleration, the ship could have caught up with Leia over that minute and 49 seconds making her return distance much shorter. Without knowing details about the Raddus's acceleration rate and Leia's exit velocity it's impossible to say for sure that the numbers work out but it's definitely a possibility.
conservation of momentum says she would have been going at the same speed as the raddus. The only force pushing her away from the ship was the pull of the decompression flinging her away.
Edit: Read further. Forgot about the engines! Oh well, I say it gets a pass. There are worse egregious offenses to science than that *cough* starkiller base.
It doesn't take that much force to move in zero-g is what most people seem to not realize. The Manned Maneuvering Unit, the real-life space jetpack, propels its pilot and its 300-pound frame with nothing but compressed nitrogen. Surely that's not drastically more force than what's needed to fling a lightsaber handle towards you at moderate speed.
i watched and thought.... yeah thats about how it looks, she was never trained but if you had force powers youd do a few pulling of objects towards you every now and again right?
so it seems perfectly normal, and people saying it looked weird, fact is... if it was real space it would look far weirder!
She was in space for 5 seconds then aware enough to use force pull... and once youve done it at least a little bit, you would drift! the only issue id have is that the blast was just strong enough to rip the hull out and not actually cause any internal damage to the ship(which would of killed her most likely), just external damage.
Why do you assume she had no training? Luke had years to teach her.
Luke was able to pull his lightsaber without a lesson at all. Obi Wan was dead. Nobody knew where Yoda was. Now, we have to assume that force pulls are something that a force sensitive can learn by him/herself or exploit in moments of dire need.
Pierluigi Di Pietro Ben being died don't stop him from telling Luke to run seconds after his death or appear to him in that snow planet or talk to him in Luke's x wing who to say he don't try and train Luke but was not getting the results he wanted because of the whole ghost thing and said him to Yoda
We can only arbitrarily guess that Luke was somewhat "trained" by a force ghost Obi Wan talking inside his head. On Hott, it seems pretty clear that Luke is seeing Obi as a force ghost for the first time.
Actually on some of the novels that are newer and now canon Luke while not having training from a Jedi did gain access to relatives of a Jedi who were able to explain some things to him even though they weren’t actually able to show him how to use telekinesis. And to people talking about how she survived in space. Obi wan Kenobi and Anikan both survived inches from lava for a much longer time on a planet where the people who worked and lived on the planet needed special equipment.
In Star Wars, space isn't a total vacuum. That's why starships fly like planes, make noise, and erupt in fireballs.
I felt like the scene where shes freezing over was so beautifully shot that had they known carrie was going to die, would have made a perfect send off. The john williams score, the silence from the battle and the light shining down on her, it was angelic
I have a few problems with this video: Firstly, Luke had a whole 3-4 years to train in using the force, and it was obvious he knew how to use telekenetic force abilities without a Deus Ex Machina, as shown on Dagobah.
Secondly, Jedi can hold their breath for EXTREMELY long periods of time, up to supernatural limits.
Thirdly, the whole scene with Mary Poppins Leia was unnecessary. Sure Leia using the force is pretty dope, but the entire scene looked ridiculous, and it didn't leave any impact on her character whatsoever. Especially with all the talk of "Killing the past" Leia should have just died in the movie, whether it be in space or the Lightspeed ram. (Which also didn't make any sense.)
Hell they could have had a similar scene make sense, the bridge is hit, she's braced for impact, and ready for the shields to go up that stops this sort of thing, however it fails, and it has to he done manually, and as she's trying to avoid getting sucked out she closes her eyes, and hits a switch with the force, after which the surviving officers and crew rush to get everyone out of the bridge, including the newly unconscious Leia
My first impression was that Luke sensed she was in danger and "force pulled" her remotely. Just that little layer further adds to the mystique of Luke's powers at the end.
even real astronauts were (by accident) exposed to vacuum and survived.
One of them had to let a LOT of the air out of his spacesuit as it was too bloated for him to return back aboard his capsule. All those astronauts however described how their saliva started to boil on their tongues - but that was about it.
I almost felt like the force itself took control of leia’s body to get her back to the ship. I honestly feel that the force has a personality sometimes XD.
Wasn't it Douglas Adams who declared that you could survive in space without any pressure suit for UP TO 30 SECONDS??
He also said with a lungful of air. Which in space will only kill you faster. Either they will burst, or an embolism. Either way...nasty.
not 42 seconds?
How Leia Survived: plot armor.
Walter Melon The Third or Star Wars’s version : Force Armour
Walter Melon The Third I guess you didn’t watch the video?
Ryley 18, I guess you, like the video overlooked the fact that she survived the giant explosion that destroyed the bridge of the ship. Here is an article on the effect of blast pressure and explosive debris damage to a human body. (www.cdc.gov/niosh/docket/archive/pdfs/niosh-125/125-explosionsandrefugechambers.pdf) Without the “plot armor” AKA the plot demanding that she survive, the princess would be a shredded hunk of bloody meat floating in space. Further, admitting that she survived because of the plot isn’t a big deal, it’s super common in writing. Heroes survive because they have “plot armor” all the time. No big.
Walter Melon The Third she wasn’t affected by anything in the explosion she was just pulled out into space
Ryley 18, Right she wasn’t affected because she had plot armor. In an actual explosion of that size if she some how managed not to get pulverized by shrapnel flying around she would be killed by the over pressure/shock wave from being that close to a large explosion. In reality she would be dead, and was thus survived because she is a main character and the plot of the movie called for her to survive. Here is a UA-cam video discussing over pressure/blast injures ( ua-cam.com/video/HOSR6LFkUYo/v-deo.html ). That’s the best I can do to describe this for you man. :(
Please. It was an amazing scene. A long awaited Leia using the force moment. I agree it looked a little hokey, but I love the idea of it. And you know what...it’s just a movie.
Something with the scene that i had a problem with was the mist that cam out when poe opened the door. It goes against things previously shown in episode 3 and the clone wars tv show. When something is opened to the vacuum of space there is not mist, the vacuum starts sucking things into the vacuum.
When I saw the scene, I thought, "Wow. I love this realistic depiction of surviving in space...wait, they didn't explicitly explain in the movie that it's possible. Oh no. The internet's going to hate this."
everyone wants mindless exposition in movies a visual medium what a bunch of morons
Real life physics are not explicitly canon
Drama_Llama_5000 exactly what I thought, I actually saw a comment saying she should have exploded with her eyes popping out immediately...because thats how space works....
Exile Studios, and then they complain when they get said exposition because it either de-mystifies a scenario or they just want to get to the action.
And then they yell “plot hole” and gather their torches and pitchforks to go on a “Disney ruined Star Wars” rampage lol
oh yea! That's right, Jedi HAVE been in space with out suits in the animated content before. Does no one remember that or argue that?
Shhh, extended universe crap doesn't count when it's used to defend the new movies.
romxxii I agree... specially trying to defend one of the most stupidiest and ridiculous scenes in recent film history.
I mean that clip of Star Wars Rebels that was shown in this very video. But also any other time I may be forgetting. Point is just because the movie didn't show her learn the power doesn't mean she can't do it. If the movie says the force has that power then it has that power. I think there are better ways to have done that part but I don't hate that seen or the casino one enough to call this the worst.
sasamichan Master Plo Koon had a breathing mask on because he can't breathe anything that isn't the air from his home planet. And it was only temporary, he couldn't stay out in the vacuum of space for extended periods of time.
I'm referring to Kanan Jarrus in "The Holocrons of Fate" Kanan is sucked out into space, but manages to cling on to Maul's ship, the Nightbrother. Using the Force, he propels himself back into the hangar bay.
You have literally a handful of seconds before death in the vacuum of space. There is a far difference from waking up and with difficulty pulling a small metal handle and moving to about three feet compared to someone moving through a certain death scenario after getting blown up and propelled into the dark. Also, the ship is moving, how did she catch up to it?
Does anyone know what the name of the background music is?
I almost laughed out loud in the cinema when that scene happened
*SPOILERS*
It's just so hilarious and ironic to me that Luke and Han are dead, but Leia is still alive. Meanwhile, Harrison and Mark are still alive, and Carrie is dead.
Artemis 'Stormrunner' Sader
On premiere day everyone in the theater took this as a god damn joke
I laughed for a good minute afterwards. I had no fucking idea why everyone around me wasn't laughing too (My sister thought it was funny though it was her seccond viewing so didn't laugh out loud).
RemixedVoice 'hilarious'? Have some respect please :(
Spaceway Films
Ok? We're just laughing at the scene not at her actual death
Finally. I’ve heard people complain -saying that she used the force to create force oxygen and a force shell of protection and a bunch of baloney like that, and the whole time I’ve been saying exactly what you’ve been saying, all she did was Force pull herself towards the ship, which is something that she could easily have survived.
RedCaio I thought she made a force hook
RedCaio still looks stupid as hell.....just needed a better direction, different perspective or something. Also that part when they open the door and don t get sucked bothers me too.
Yeah and how the f she survived the explosion?
Crimso ph34r. The realistic reason Leia didn't end up behind the ship is that she continued to move along with it. For example, say you are on an airplane, that is currently in flight. It is moving at about 300 mph (yes, that't how fast they fly, maybe even faster.) When you are allowed to stand you decide to jump straight up. By YOUR logic, the tail end of the plane should continue forward and wack you with the same force of a speeding train. However it doesn't, plus you land in the same spot you jumped from. That's because YOU are moving at the same speed as the plane. Now yes, if you jumped OUT of the plane, you WOULD end up behind it, because air would slow you down. Since there is no air in space, Leia continued to move along with the ship. Newton's Law: an object at rest/in motion, stays at rest/in motion, until acted on by an outside force. No pun intended. Hopefully that gives you an answer.
crimson ph34r it actually could have been only a few seconds. They cut to the first order ship, and came back to her. Tine is not definitive with the run tine in the film.
It not that she used the force, it's that it wasn't foreshadowed. She didn't even have a lightsaber on her belt
2:52 You do realize movie time is a thing right. I think that number is pretty inaccurate.
1: wasn't there suposed to be an explosin in tis scene. one powerfull enoungh to blow trought the houl of the ship? that and all the debris of it pretty much missed laea ecause plot armor...
2: the explosive decompression is not heat leaving the body, it is air leaving the body... ei out of your lungs... and out of your a......! due to the air rushingmout of you you would have 15 secondes before you passed out due to lak of air!
@ntdonat Please learn some spelling before you write your next comment. Looks like you were having a stroke while writing that.
Can you do a video comparing slower than light travel in sifi such as impulse in star trek and sublight in star wars?
Also there could be something to go off of from the clone wars malevolence arc where plo kun is able to exist in space and help his clones fight off battle droids, but I can’t quite remember if that was the force or a product of his species’ biology
In Knights of Old republic at some point of the game, you do learn a force power, which creates a bubble of clean air (of course, within pressurised envierment), so maybe something similiar could happen.
The scene was perfectly fine to me, Although Maybe it looked a little off visually, idk.
I agree! I was so incredibly happy when I saw this scene for the first time. Finally, after all these years, Leia uses the Force! But at the same time I knew other people would absolutely hate it.
I think a good fix would be to have it so she's less "upright" so to speak.
It would look more like a instinctive pull, and would help to separate the "Mary Poppins" look.
kylo could've pushed her... every problem solved (apart from getting rocket explosion to the face, but i can kind of imagine, air escaping from further indide the ship, coutered some of explosion effects on leia, i mean, she is pushed away from the ship despite having something explode behind her, so there must have been considerable ammount of air further inside, so the depressurisation would pushe her enough)
It could have had her Force pulling her way back while still being blow out, not waiting so long. This way it would look much more in control and possible. Then half way back she passes out but her momentum keeps her headed back inside.
Yea it just looked visualy wierd
Please tell me that this video is a joke. Let me explain why:
1) Leia was Force sensitive, not Force user. If movie doesn't explain that, that is the problem with the movie. We were not suppose to create crucial elements of the movie to justify directors bad story telling.
2) Jedi use space suits as well and die in space (watch battles from prequels)
3) Problem is not control decompression like you mentioned, but UNCONTROLLED decompression within seconds that does huge damage to your body, brain and organs (ebullism and hypoxia). Such scenario cannot be simulated in Earth.
4) You conveniently forgot to mention TEMPERATURES near zero Kelvin.
5) Oxygen leaves body through the skin as well. That is why 2 minutes of holding breath in water or in your nice cozy room at home would never work in space. You would suffocate probably within 20-30 seconds.
6) How do you keep consciousness under these conditions?
7) No decompression when rest of the crew opens the doors?
She had jedi/force training. you saying she wasn't a force user is stupid....
No need for insults. Where exactly was shown or told that she had force training, please explain?
Look on wookipedia under canon it shows her using a saber for a mission on Nar Shaddaa. also if you look on the side, where it shows her home planet, her hair and eye colors and stuff... it says "Master: Luke Skywalker"
LOL. There are two problems:
1) Leia story IS NOT CANON it is a LEGEND now thanks to the Disney. Therefore assuming such development for Disney movie is not possible. Same like RJ used Force projection from Jedi Path non-canonical book.
2) You cannot use supplementary stuff from EU as the starting points for movie development. Such case was never done so far in any of the Star Wars movies so far. If director fails to give plausible explanations in the movie then movie is bad. Audience should not depend on supplementary literature to understand the movie. Movie must tell the story regardless of the EU, fan fiction etc....
Well now its clearly canon now either you like it or not, Leia survived and used the force. deal with it.
Well... Count that there was a F'ING EXPLOSION before the depressurization, so idt Leia used the forse even in that case
Qui-gon and Obi-Wan are later seen to possess small breathers which they used to travel to the underwater city with Jar Jar. Presumably they used those when gassed.
If you remember, in rogue one we learn that the force does act as a higher being, meaning that it may have a will of it's own. It can influence and armor people to bring balance to itself. It's because of the force, things were meant to be in the star wars universe. It was the will of the force that the monk would flip the switch, that the death star plans would be taken to the rebellion, that the gang would survive enemy fire (which explains why stormtroopers never really hit their targets). Perhaps leia was meant to survive, so that she could act as a mentor figure to rey, who still needs more time to understand her abilities and maybe turn her into a new leader in the resistance. It was the will of the force.
So... plot armor is literaly a thing in Star Wars...
That wasn't an force pull, if that was the case, she would have to move the entire ship close to her.... No what she did was she pointed at one direction and started floating towards there... As far as I know and I am aware, I don't think there isn't such an ability in star wars
I love that the whole logical response to this channel is "It was a movie/show you know..". "Yeah, but let's try to justify it anyway!"
Besides the still existing problem that she survived an explosion without any scratches as well as the non existing vacuum when she enters the ship; some links wouldnt hurt. Most sources I have found either claimed you can only survive a few seconds or that your suevival depends on your distance to a star.
Why are Leia's Force powers so crappy? She is the sister of Luke Skywalker, the daughter of Darth Vader, and the mother of Kylo Ren; and yet her powers are almost non-existent. What can this woman do besides a small amount of telepathy and telekinesis? I'm sorry, but who in real life would sit by and watch their brother and son become what are essentially gods and not want to join in?
Exactily. As soon as Vader discovered Luke had a sister he was instantly ready to throw him in the bin and move on. They're twins. They have equal potential. We see her being force sensative at the end of RotJ and it's been 30 years since then.
She never seemed like the kind of person that would become a Jedi to me. I don't know how to explain my reasoning for it but I think that she is as powerful of Luke or Ben but she chose not to study it. She may have allowed Luke to teach her a few little tricks but nothing beyond that. It's just a vibe I got from watching The Return of the Jedi. Anyone else get that vibe or was it just me?
Because she had her own goals? What good is this so called "godhood" when every force user we see is in one way or another beholden to someone or something else?
She is in fact a very important person doing an important job, dropping that to get 'wikid kool powerz' is not only supremely selfish but totally out of character.
Personally I dont doubt she got some training over the last 40 ish years but not the life long dedication needed to become a Luke or Kylo, and probably very on the downlow for practical reasons. If the people she has to deal with on the political front believed she had some mysterious powers she might be using on them would they feel comfortable with that?
From what I've seen in canon Luke did offer to train her to become a full blown force user after the events of ROTJ, but she declined. She believed that she would be doing her best to the galaxy by becoming a senator once again and helping Mon Mothma forge the New Republic. The only training I've heard mentioned that she underwent was just some simple meditations but that's it.
So yeah, basically (like DrewLSisx said) she just had her own priorities and goals, and becoming a Jedi wasn't one of them.
This was a good thread to read through.
I enjoyed this scene.
Haters gonna hate.
And yes, who hasn't been laying on the couch and not tried to force pull the remote control. :-D
"""hater""" people who respect art and dislike an objectively bad fanfiction
Thank you!!! I tell this to everyone I know who complains about it and they all just call me a fan boy
I assumed that she had a force shield around her, like how jedi and sith create a force bubble around them so that they cant force pull each others light-sabers out of their hands.
Jesus Christ finally. Thank you. I've been regurgitating that everywhere.
Eeeeewwwww!! Gross!
Me too! No problem with her pulling herself back, i just want to know how she got inside without venting atmosphere.
If the only realistic part of your movie appears unbelievable, than thats indeed bad writing and directing.
My largest concern was that they opened a door without properly using a pressurizing chamber to bring her inside without having everyone else sucked out. Some how, when they opened the door, they weren't sucked out even though that should of happened due to depressurization. Sure, I can let it slide that she used a force ability, because she's Luke's sister, even though she has never been seen using the force in the movies and sure, let's say that some how she was able to pull herself to the ship while she was unconscious. With that being said, the door being opened without proper pressurization is something I can't forgive. Everyone should have been sucked out.
Karl Quetzacoatl No, you large jerk for no damn reason. Someone finally examined a force ability that was used a quite a few times in he EU, and in Cannon before TLJ. It's no ones fault but your own that you only see it as feminist sjw whatever the hell medium you're using today.
I don't know why everyone gets this backwards. She's not pulling herself. She's pulling on the ship. Apply a magnetic force between two objects in space. They move towards each other. The more massive one just moves less, proportional to the difference in mass.
Wtf ? Our physics don't apply in a galaxy far far away...
Of course they do. Why wouldn't they? Have you heard of cosmology? Everything in the observed universe follows the laws of physics.
Yeah... Ans we all have force abilities and we can travel through the fu@king hyperspace ???!!!! And there are no aliens, cause they would contact us by now( through hyperspace maybe, hmmm?? ) or we would find evidence that they visited our planet in the past !!! So what the hell are you talking about ??? That is fantasy film like "Conan barbarian " with magic and shit, but conan is fluent film and unlike this mess of new Star wars films !!! Bombers were shit, Poe's actions were shit, purple hair bitch action was shit, Fin and Shrek - Rose actions were unnecessary shit, Luke was just a puppet shit, Yoda, Chewbacca was useless, do I need to go on??!!! Ray is like stupid God WITHOUT FU@KING TRAINING - WHAT THE FU@K WAS THAT ???!!!! Just stupid story with nice effects... Apsurd and insulting for fans, for real fans and first 6 films ( +Rogue 1 cause it fits the original story) , and insulting for me as critic filmophil who enjoys good story despite good visual effects !!! Episode 1 is a MASTERPIECE next to ep. 7 and 8 !!!! PERIOD...
Something tells me the issue you have with the film isn't about physics after all.
George have developed story, and how things work in SW Universe... These two films took a huge shit on all of original ideas and characters !!! That is the problem... If I'm a 10 years old kid i would enjoy lasers and effects and shit, but with 40 years of age I KNOW STAR WARS in the essence, looked every film more than 10 times, played many games, was reading many things about SW that expand original story and these two episodes are shit.. Just wow, and light effects - NO story in the film itself !!! If you look Steven Segal film or Chuck Noris, there is a story, and in dialogs who he is and reasons are explained why he is killing bad guys, in SW ep 7,8 we don't know shit about Snooke, about Ray, about Finn, how is SHE UNTRAINED ALMOST KILLED TRAINED KYLO REN ( WTF IS THAT? ) and apsurd scene fighting off the red guards WITHOUT FU@KING TRAINING !! 5 DAYS OF TRAINING AND SHE IS A MASTER ?? WTF? ANAKIN TRAINED MORE THAN 10 YEARS TO BECOME JUST A KNIGHT - NOT MASTER, AND HE WAS MOST GIFTED WITH FORCE ABILITY - EVER !!! PERIOD... This new Ray story shit - doesn't make sense with all history of STAR WARS!
I was at the movies with a friend. He isn't really a big star wars nerd like I am, so when the scene came he turned his head towards me confused. I just said: "The force man."
Plot armor is what you should have said.
There have been human subjects subjected to a vacuum too, unintentionally. They were testing high altitude suits in near vacuum when the suits failed. They also lost consciousness in about 20 seconds, but they did fully recover once the camber repressurized. They did have busted blood vessels in their eyes and all the moisture in their mouth and lungs boiled off (not boiling because of heat but loss of pressure). Space will kill you from asphyxiation long before anything else.
This is absolutely false.
1) The test subjects lost consciousness after 9-12 seconds. This means Leia had absolutely NO WAY of getting back in the ship by herself, that us plain bollocks.
2) The upper limit is actually 60-90 seconds according to NASA, I have no idea where the 2-3 minutes came from
3) Leia would either way be blind and bleeding.
4) On Naboo, we see Obi Wan and Qui Gon using a breating device to get down to Otoh Gunga.
5) You can't hold back your breath in space, your lung would rupture.
So no, this scene was NOT correct, Leia SHOULD BE dead, and the video is useless damage control.
Do I also have to mention that you can't measure time like that in movies? The assumption that there is no overlapping in timelines is ridiculous.
Horváth Benedek Thank you
Its also how he got his convenient 'luke only trained for 3 seconds line.'
Its like saying no one in starwars poops because of the force. Im also pretty sure we never see anybody but jabba eat.
Im also pretty sure all the movies happen in the same span of 16ish hours.
Horváth Benedek *On Naboo, we see Obi Wan and Qui Gon using a breating device to get down to Otoh Gunga.*
Obi-wan also used it after Commander Cody ordered him killed, and he fell into the water.
Meanwhile on Grievous's ship, Obi-wan and Anakin were quickly suffocating from lack of oxygen after Grevious broke out the ship's window and decompressed the cabin, while Grevious was able to operate in a total vacuum by his mechanical body. But Obi-wan and Anakin were HELPLESS from the lack of oxygen, until they got the doors closed and recompressed the cabin.
FINAL POINT: Leia WOKE UP in space, meaning she was UNCONSCIOUS.
I don't even KNOW how that worked, since even Darth Plagueis was able to be killed just in his SLEEP-- not knocked out.
No, Leia DEFINITELY did some Harry Potter "protection" spell.
Ralph Goodman
I don't want to be an asshole, but with the amount of plot device in Star Wars, *maybe Anakin and Obi Wan just forgot about their breathing apparatus im the heat of the battle.*
And I agree that Leia did some BS mumbo jumbo. I said you can't hold your breath because I've heard.that argument somewhere before.
It's the force, of course she's gonna survive
"Damage control"
Clearly a child, clearly a child
There are actually quite a few flaws with your reasoning. Not going to make some exhaustive list, but here are a few:
1. You are very generous with that study in saying 3minutes, because it's much closer to 2:30 due to the time required for medical treatment. The movie does a fade-to-smoke, so you don't know how much longer it was prior to getting some treatment. Point being, you're being very generous claiming she'd all-but certainly survive the ordeal.
2. The study highlights test cases going from near STP to near-vacuum, it does not highlight differentials above STP which would create larger disparities between the pressure change. She was in an explosion (miraculously survived, btw) and explosions have this nasty habit of causing massive pressure gains. As we know, the larger the disparity between initial and final pressure states in short-time intervals, the larger percentage of fatalities.
3. She could have also had ruptured lungs since most humans gasp in shock. You see her shocked face just before being sucked out into space, and if you have lungs full of air, they will rupture almost instantly in a vacuum.
There are more. I applaud you trying to 'science' this one, but it's just a shitty scene from start-to-finish.
Wait...so how did Starkiller survive getting stabbed and then being thrown out in space from the S-star destroyer?
He was floating out in the vacuum longer than Leia and Kanan, and was completely revived...
I didn't see an airlock on the door from the bridge back to the hallway / pressurized part of the ship. How did she get back into the ship without blowing everyone out with her.
My main issue is the let her in without a airlock or anything seen behind her. Now we do see air come from the door so you could say there was as second door slightly off screen which is how I'm going with it but it annoying the way the scene was filmed
the main problem with the scene was the cinematography tbh, but this really shows how people judge on expectations and half-truths.
IT also shows how decades of science fiction have colored most people's perceptions on how things work outside a normal Earth atmosphere and gravity. Unless you're one of the lucky few to have ridden the space shuttle, the saturn/soyuz rockets or the vomit comet, you really don't know what it's like up there other than what movies say.
Hell, until Cmdr Hadfield showed it in his Space Oddity video, I thought lens flares in space was unrealistic. I now know that lens flares are ridiculously easy to get in space.
Axon, you were just amazed with visual effects and didn't bother to understand the story of this film - CAUSE IT WASNT THERE !!! THERE WAS NO STORY AT ALL !!! I looked it with no expectations of any kind and left theater feeling i was robbed !!! FU@K DISNEY AND CATHLEEN AND RIAN !!! THEY SUCK IN SCI-FI !!!
who hurt you as a child?
Nashmann Jango there was a story moron
My largest concern was that they opened a door without properly using a pressurizing chamber to bring her inside without having everyone else sucked out. Some how, when they opened the door, they weren't sucked out even though that should of happened due to depressurization. Sure, I can let it slide that she used a force ability, because she's Luke's sister, even though she has never been seen using the force in the movies and sure, let's say that some how she was able to pull herself to the ship while she was unconscious. With that being said, the door being opened without proper pressurization is something I can't forgive. Everyone should have been sucked out.
I totally agree, Kyle Hill (on Because Science) did a similar video on Guardians of the Galaxy survival in space, and he showed the same. It is really annoying that through whatever means, people have gotten the wrong end of the stick.
it seems factual to say that immediate exposure to vacuum via explosive decompression does result in nearly instant unconsciousness - that critters lasted 10 seconds in the NASA tests was likely due to them letting the air out slower than an explosive decompression would have.
Besides I don't think people much liked Michael Burnham or Data doing it either. even if Geordi La Forge and Beverly Crusher had a similar experience.
That movie didn't help put an awareness of that science in their heads though. Mostly because that generic scifi marvel brick just sucked... And the many people that actually liked it for some reason are the ones who wouldn't be hung up on that scene... I seriously don't understand its fandom... There's nothing there...
ddrguy300 In what way was it generic to Marvel? It had an (almost) completely different style from the other films and it was pretty good, though I will admit that the second one wasn't as good.
it wasn't generic marvel, it felt like a generic sci fi flim with a marvel label.
ddrguy300 Well to me it was good, and I got the scene, so whatever you say, just consider that for some it was good and it got great ratings.
You had me at "Admit it, you tried." Yes I did.
Maybe the Doctor appeared in the TARDIS with the cloaking device on extended the oxygen barrier, allowing her to be fine until she got back and the effects of the explosion and other things finally got to her
When I saw the scene in cinemas I got hyped, it looked so amazing. I never understood why people had a problem with it.
it's a common knowledge fallacy
it's realistic. but lots of people don't know it to be true.
That. Good one.
yeah. I didn't even know either what you just or what the video was about was even a thing.
clone wars dome this too, when that green jedi stand outside the ship to save some clones
In partial decompression you might be able to survive that long, but in space you can only survive about 15 seconds.
Thank you!
Neckbeards dont get it.
What if Ben pulled or helped her get back to the ship or shielded her somehow? He could have been upset that his team blew her up or he might have even known they would and was already prepared to save her or did something to save her seconds before the cabin blew up.
"Upon sudden decompression in vacuum, expansion of air in a person’s lungs is likely to cause lung rupture and death unless that air is immediately expelled." -- Czarnik, TR. Ebullism at 1 Million Feet: Surviving Rapid/Explosive Decompression.
This complaint is the weirdest of all. People expecting total realism in a sci fi fantasy film. sigh
There's a difference between good science fiction and stupid science fiction. Good science fiction bridges the gap and attempts to actually make things believable withing the known physics of the universe we live in.
ddrguy300 What the hell does any of that even mean? Most of our favorite sci fi and action films don't stand up on this "believable" scale you speak of, so you sir are completely full of shit. Look up the definition of the word "fiction" before you reply again, please.
Certain fandoms have certain thresholds of believable and not. This scene falls beyond the realm of believable for a variety of factors including fandom and how far it tries to stretch that scale. It's stupid. I don't have to look up anything because the community at large is pointing in the overall direction of "this was a poor decision" because of how it was portrayed and it's lack of explanation. That's how the world works in most instances - the nature of reality is revealed through common experience pointing in the general direction of what is true. And then that destination is defended or challenged in order to progress to more revelation of reality, whether a more solidified present ground or that of one elsewhere.
In this example, there's sufficient justification in an extra analysis for what happened, but it was still of a poor execution.
In the overall example of those being excessively salty about the film because it's not their star wars, his video about the films nuance challenges that notion well enough to where is makes the anal retentive fan boys look like ass hats.
In his video about 7 being a mash up of the original trilogy, not just a new hope, he also justifies it in a way that gives it a little more latitude so that it suffers less from the glaring red flags of repetition and the weak science of the universe, but it still suffers to some degree.
As far as looking up fiction, I did, and it seems to me that all you're arguing is semantics. You're trying to invalidated something not making sense by saying it's not supposed to make sense, by nature. There are certain points where an audience doesn't like to feel like they're believed to be stupid and that they'll just go along with it because "hey, it's science fiction! anything can happen!" While that's true, there's a degree of explanation and justification needed for the things that do happen, more so when they boarder on the further out there. And when you leave out the explanation, you get backlash.
That's how certain series and fandoms wind up not sucking - they don't float out relatively astronomical absurd ideas compared to our current reality. They question possibility of what can be, not harshly violate what can't.
And to counter what I'm sure you'll come back with of FTL travel and astronomical distance, this is a violation that is within the perimeters of suspension of disbelief. It's in the nature of science fiction to be somewhere that isn't here/Earth and explore the variety between those worlds. Does it hold up? Some better than others, but it's of a lower priority than justifying something like taking on the mass of an entire star or explaining why even a force sensitive being can just Mary Poppins their way back to pressurization.
This is the unofficial unspoken hierarchy of the belief/absurd dichotomy of the science fiction realm. And the fact that this scene misses it so much is what makes people shake their heads or laugh.
ddrguy300 If it's really that serious for you then I feel sad for you.
Sounds like I win. lol.
I love it, entire videos dedicated to explaining away terrible plot contrivances. If this movie was really the masterpiece its makers and blind defenders claim it is, then it would need no explanation. Simple as that. By making this video you are proving nothing to me other than what I already knew about these new Star Wars films. That the franchise is sadly taking a nosedive and is nothing more than a pale former shadow of what it once was. If you enjoy these movies, and the new direction of Star Wars ... more power to you man, Im happy for you, but don't get on a high horse and feel like every fan of the franchise ever is obligated to feel the same way cause that is only going to cause further division. The more of THESE types of videos that I see, the more Im convinced of my own opinions on the franchise. So "Im afraid you've failed your highness"
A lot of "These types of videos" aren't made because a scene inherently needs explanation, but because there's a big wave of disapproval against it that should be addressed.
I think this video doesn't exist because there is a scene where Leia pulls herself into a spaceship, but because of people disapproving that a scene exists where Leia pulls herself into a spaceship and the uploader wants to clarify why this isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be.
What I'm probably trying to say is: If you take away nothing from this video except that their existence proves your point, you are moving in circles. No argument in the world could ever convince you otherwise, since you could always answer "the fact that you have to convince me really only shows that there is a problem to begin with, which proves my point".
I personally couldn't believe people had any problems with this particular scene, I find the visuals stunning and beautiful, worthy of our Princess. It's one of those magical cinema experiences I will never forget. I also knew the science around it wasn't too far-fetched for a Star Wars movie.
I didn't need a video like this trying to explain a scene I found practically perfect, this video isn't for me. It's for you, who did not like what they saw. The uploader doesn't intent to find excuses for a poor scene; he's probably like me and tries to show you that it's actually wonderful, if you open yourself up to it. I can definitely see how this might not work on most people that disapprove of the scene (in fact I'm almost certain it won't), but please, please don't just base your dismissal of the video on its pure existence.
I commented to you because unlike most people in this comment section (both pro space-Leia or contra), you actually seem like someone capable of a civilized conversation. With this comment I don't try to make you like the scene, as I share your opinion on "live and let live", the only thing I want is for you to overthink your take on explanation videos as I feel it's a self-reinforcing belief system.
I'll add that there is at least one canon in-universe precedent I can think of for this kind of thing. In season 1 of the Clone Wars (episode 2: Rising Malevolence, I believe), Plo Koon is stranded in a lifepod with several clone troopers, when a unit of droids shows up and begins trying to cut through the hull in order to kill them.
In order to prevent this, Plo Koon exits the lifepod in order to fend them off. When asked by one of the clone troopers how he expects to survive without a spacesuit, he answers simply that he can withstand the pressure for a short period, and while he is wearing that mask, it doesn't seem to come with an oxygen supply. I'm sure some people want to point to him being an alien as the reason he can do this, but as you've pointed out, it's not necessary.
If I recall correctly, the decline in survival rates between the two minute mark and three minute mark in our experiments on exposing animals to a vacuum was pretty much down to the dogs dying. The chimpanzees were able to withstand three minutes in a vacuum with only one subject suffering any permanent neurological effects. Given the biological similarities between humans and chimps, it's reasonable to assume our reliable window of survival is three minutes or so before permanent damage and/or mortality becomes a real issue.
So Leia had a comfortable margin of safety to get back to the Raddus if she was only out there for a minute and forty-nine seconds.
As for her remaining conscious, I took the fact that other Jedi seem to be capable of remaining conscious in oxygen deprived environments (e.g. Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in Episode I, and Plo Koon in the Clone Wars) as evidence the Force can be used to stave off suffocation or asphyxiation, especially bearing in mind that it's long been part of the mythos that the Light Side of the Force is able to help heal and regenerate living tissue. It stands to reason that if it's able to reverse tissue damage, it's also able to stave such damage off.
Plus, I didn't really view the scene as her regaining consciousness. To me, it looked more like a reflex action that was aided by the Force, as if it took control of her just long enough to get her back to safety. See the original Star Wars:
"You mean it controls your actions?"
"Partially, but it also obeys your commands."
Well, this would be the "partially" where it controlled her actions. The Force knew she was in danger, and wasn't done with her yet, so it guided her back to safety. The instant she was back where other people could take care of her, it stopped controlling her, and she collapsed.
'admit it you've tried' soooo true
I agree with you 100%. It was still stupid.
basically what I said.. lol
No, it *looked* stupid.
Big difference.
Vulcano how could they make it not?
I'm sure there was a way to show, that Leia could use the force.
And honestly, this was a good place and time. It was just this one frame. Just this one.
Maybe we could have seen her perspective, how she reaches after the Raddis and it indeed gets closer and closer.
Just a thought, I'm no Art student or have any experience with film making.
no it *seemed* stupid. To *you*
As a science nerd. I had no issue with that part.
Only people who don't believe in Science, or worse, get their science from movies, would take issue with this.
Gilhelmi You are a shitty science nerd.
This is absolutely false.
1) The test subjects lost consciousness after 9-12 seconds. This means Leia had absolutely NO WAY of getting back in the ship by herself, that us plain bollocks.
2) The upper limit is actually 60-90 seconds according to NASA, I have no idea where the 2-3 minutes came from.
3) Leia would either way be blind and bleeding.
4) On Naboo, we see Obi Wan and Qui Gon using a breating device to get down to Otoh Gunga.
5) You can't hold back your breath in space, your lung would rupture.
So no, this scene was NOT correct, Leia SHOULD BE dead, and the video is useless damage control.
still silly AF
This is a science fantasy movie about space wizards. There are explosions in space, there is sound in space, and in the Clone Wars TV series, people go into space all the time without dying.
If you're looking for scientific accuracy, please don't watch Star Wars.
Zach Moore
"in the Clone Wars TV series, people go into space all the time without dying."
No they don't. Proof.
"There are explosions in space" Uhm... yes. Like in real life.
"there is sound in space" Which doesn't interrupt the actual flow of events, and only serves entertainment purposes, so that you don't bore yourself to death.
"No they don't. Proof."
See season 1 episode 2.
"Uhm... yes. Like in real life."
Actually no. There is no oxygen in space, therefore there can not be explosions.
"Which doesn't interrupt the actual flow of events, and only serves entertainment purposes, so that you don't bore yourself to death."
Fair enough. But it the Clone Wars, not only is there sound in space, but people actually scream in space. Again, see season 1 episode 2.
That actually makes a substantial amount of sense...
Goddam Leia Poppins, only thing she's missing is an umbrella.