Drum Pedal Test - 8 Units
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2012
- This is a short epilogue of a two week test I set up for eight different single pedals, looking for one(2) standout to use for double bass set up. Some I had, others were purchased. They are all world class devices - smooth, quiet and basically well made (some obviously better than others), and one did stand out to me for my physical abilities and playing proficiency. Take a look. (BTW, for some reason my Reply will not function or I'd be happy to answer new questions).
I purchased two Drumnetics because of this video.
No regrets at all.
In a similar story: I played two bass drums for 15 years, then switched to a double pedal for 20 years, now back to two bass drums.
Great video, exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks for doing this video. I have to say, the Pearl Demon Drive sounded the smoothest rhythmically (to me) and looked the as though you were exerting the least amount of effort.
Love the demon drive, smoothest pedal I have ever used. Best factory settings, always ready to go and reliable as all hell. The circular grip plate is really scratched up but everything holds really well. Carrying case is an instant +1 as well. Honestly the best high end pedal imo. The double pedal works great for friends kits and outside performance, but it also allows me to detach the drive shaft to make two individual single pedals for my home kit (which is double bass) I should mention that I have ever only owned and regularly used two other pedals. A pearl chain drive single pedal(That is, their cheap stock pedals usually shipped with kit/hardware combos), and a mapex 500 double pedal. (Which I used for 3 years)
Thanks for posting! Love the test!
OMG you rock! Awesome video. Thank you. I live almost an hour away from the closest drum shop. And they have zero knowledge and zero options.
That drumnetics pedal seems very interesting, I've been playing with axis for about 5 years and that pedal really got my interest. Didn't even know that kind of pedal existed. Really good video by the way. Explains a lot.
Thanks for the kind words. I have found dble bounce to be more my own technique, type of beater used, and head tension then the pedal's action. Having stated that I do find the Drumnetics much easier to control than any spring pedal.
Very helpful. Thank you!
I haven't played in 15 years but I found this very interesting. I tried so many pedals during my years of playing. The old Ludwig SK was as good as any along w/ the old Camco(?) pedal. But as you pointed out, the SK has many drawbacks whether the studio or the stage is your venue. I saw a pedal once back in the 70s that I believe was made by Cappelle. Very smooth pedal. Axxis came along and promised much but didn't deliver. I suppose when it comes down to it, most pedals are good enough and you go w/ what feels good and is financially rational. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
i think your explanation throughout and demo format is leagues above par your very experienced and practical in your knowledge and application. commendable! update video of after thoughts at somepoint would be amazing! i have a trick i like the boa and redline but dont oen played a friends drumnetics this vid has always made me want a drumnetics lol best wishes!
Thank you for the kind words. Well, six years later I continue to use Drumnetics and recently got a double long board which feels the best yet. I always knew the system would work well with a long board and I can experience it now. Not a tremendous difference but, for me, a little smoother and more easy to control.
REFondrums I just got the nd6 longboard it’s being made and I’m excited to finally get it after all these years of putting it off. Mikes an excellent dude!👍💛🙂has a long enjoyable conversation with him , he’s A++ in my book 👌
Paul, finally found a manufacturing partner and will have pedals coming out starting April '22. Look out for our new website coming soon with updates. www.drumnetics.com - hope you'll join the Drumnetics legion of players - Mike.
Cool setup😃
I'm glad you found the video helpful. Mike and I have discussed, at length, the longboard idea. It'll be awhile before that takes shape, if ever. I have experimented with the idea using some of my own "handy-man" modifications. Definite changes in feel and throw, but nothing outstanding. But, I didn't create a true longboard, either. If you are in the market for a new pedal, contact Mike and try one out. It's just a great pedal.
The new upgraded TAMA Iron Cobra and speed cobras are the pedals I’ve ever played and just exactly what I look for in a pedal. I love chain pedals, not a big fan of direct personally and the new generation Tama pedals are absolutely perfect for me.
Hey Andy can you tell me why you don’t like DD? I’m looking at a demon drive or an FP9, why should I pick the TAMA over those?
The company has been working on production options for the new 3XF for awhile now. The new design is incredible. Mike modified my pedal for axle magnets like the 3XF and it is ... there's is nothing like it on the market. It is a velvet rocket to Mars. That's the best way I can describe the action. It literally almost plays itself. I cannot say enough fine things about this device. Hopefully Mike will be able to get it on the market soon.
Fantastic video! Very informational. I am definitely considering a drumnetics, but I'd like to see if Mike releases a longboard design similar to the speed cobra.
2nd from the right, you were great on
Just out of curiosity, were you doing this during a blackout?
Of course, if there was a blackout, there would have been no light at all or power for the camera. In the camera monitor the lighting seemed fine. Obviously the back corner didn't have enough light when I checked it out later but, I figured that was the Speed King and Yamaha which were only in the test for comparison sake, anyway.
@@rainsong7327 I have not tried the Ludwig. For it's price and features I would choose the Ludwig over the DW in that price range. Honestly, for an expansion spring pedal, I'd save $30 and get the new OffSet single pedal, which I have played, which has more structural and adjustment features, imho. Bear in mind, everybody's physiology is different, and the way one pedal feels under the foot of one person can be very different from the way it feels under the next person. It's all very subjective.
2nd pedal in sounds and looks great, it seems like its very responsive and not a struggle to use even on sensitive or quicker patterns
Great video, I see you have some very different beater balls, maybe you could do a video on them as well. I can't see them very well but would love to. The drumnetics adn the trick have some pretty interesting looking balls on them.
The settings on the Demon Drive " direct drive" by the way are almost endless... you can also make it a longboard. I definitely suggest having wood beaters, because the felts flatten out after a while. Best pedal I have had ever had hands down.
Mate your good what you are saying is correct .being a naturally fast bass drum player ,I used to struggle to try to make people understand how doubling and trebling with a single bass is different for all cos style is completely different for all .getting the rebound and the feel for your footwork is specific.and when live you can find that your doubles can sometimes be slightly less forceful and not come through the .p,a ,as you get more tired or just because the rythyms are fast and don't show up .anyway I've been stuck with dw .but now see that there's choice and good competition out there , so thanks.
Thank-you for the video!
You're welcome!
REFondrums from this video, how would you rank these pedals other than the one that you've chosen? By the way, I do have that speed cobra pedal and I like feel of it. I like chain drive version of the pearl demon drive better than the direct. DW 9000 is also nice one too.
DeDaBlake6 Hard to say. The feel of the Drumnetics is so natural and powerful the others are in another department, really. The BOA has its own action, and came in second, as I mentioned in the vid. The others? The OFF-SET has its own footprint-thing going on and has nice adjustments. The SC has been given it's cam curvature, placing the pedal board further back, enhancing its throw. Not a very powerful pedal, though, for me. The Trick is compression spring driven, very smooth but, felt pretty mono-dimensional to me. The Pearl ... smooth but, nothing outstanding for me. The Yamaha needs better heel mechanism to reduce its wobble and audible chatter. Ludwig would be greatly benefited to reinvent the SK and give it adjustment options. All that being said for me it comes down to springs versus magnets. Magnets win. Especially with the new multi-magnet design.
This was fantastic; I'm delighted to see someone with the resources and expertise necessary to do this sort of comparison publicly share his findings. I've noticed that (perhaps due to the updates to the pedal design since I last visited the site) the Drumnetics site doesn't appear to be selling them at the moment. Do you know if they're available at this time? I'm interested to know what price range their pedals currently reside in.
Great video...very informative. I had not heard of drumnetics before. Checking them out.... also...just out of curiosity, why would people dislike this video? it's exactly what it says it is
+Jeff Lemke I guess some feel the video is inadequate because certain companies are not included, though I addressed that in the video. I also mentioned the DW 9000 in another video, and side by side, still chose the Drumnetics. A new double pedal is soon to be in production. Check out their facebook page.
'Rare earth' Neodymium magnets are permanently magnetized, meaning they never lose strength. The use of them in an aluminum drum pedal, where they never actually touch each other or anything ferrous, renders that phenomena even more so.
Thanks .!! I'd really like to try out that magnetic highhat pedal. I've always disliked the feel of the pedal
this is the biggest flex ive seen in a while
Hello and thanks for the video. I am looking for a replacement for my older pedals. I can't stand any of them. One of the latest I had was a jojo mayer and it let me down several times, I think it's a really bad pedal(the beater I like) . I use to have a pearl eliminator but it always sounded too heavy, yet fast, and I changed for a dw 5000 single chain, andit felt really good, but still a bit heavy and rough. Then I purchased a cheap Pearl with the flat surface, but again, it doesn't do the job. I play mostly heel down and I lift it only when I need it. I feather quarter notes a lot and I really need something light and fast to be player mostly heel down, with a beater which doesn't have a pointy sound. Can you point me in a good direction? As you probably understood, I'm a jazz player, but the range of the music I play also goes towards funk and heavier music. Thanks in advance!!!
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Something that I could find in Europe!
informative review
Either the Iron Cobra 910 or the Speed Cobra 910 are definitely my picks.
I wished the drum shops in my hometown had a drumnetics pedal so i could at least try it out.. At this point i will invest in DW 9000..It seems to have all the elements that i feel comfortable with, and with the strap drive option it's even better..I'm playing a Pearl Eliminator now, with a strap drive, but i can't seem to get control of those quick strokes, as it is the same problem you had with all the notes that were missing in some of those pedals... Great and informative video...Cheers !
but that thought may be invalid to me since i like a loose pedal and its also adjustable and are the mags replacable?
I ended up getting a pearl 2000c power shifter eliminator...sooo much customization with it
4:53 , Golden Quote of the day.
I'd be interested in the Pearl Demon Drive if you still have it.
I like how you don't like the name 'Demon Drive'... same here! ;-)
Because he doesn't like the word DEMON. It's like Satin. He's probably a Christian, they don't like those kind of words.
@@Oneness100 It's not that I don't like these kinds of words. Why needs everything today need to be demon, devil, devil horns, pentagrams etc etc to be cool / good? Looks like it's done ... on purpose. It's not just occasionally, it's everything these days... same with guitar pedals...
Would you recommend the off set or the speed cobra for heavier music? I use iron cobra jr's and am looking to upgrade really soon. I have tried the speed cobra and liked it, but I probably can't try the off set unless I took a risk purchasing it. I do like the idea of being centered on the kit, but I don't want it to cost me comfort. Would you say the off set plays smooth like a cobra, or heavy like a dw? I don't like the dw feel. Thanks
I've never seen pedals as genre associated. Style of music and style of playing drums are two different things. Find a pedal that works best for your physiology and style. "Heavy" music would seem to necessitate mics on bass drums, anyway. That being said you can hear the general impact of the beaters on the pads during the video, for my style of playing. The Drumnetics and the BOA had greatest impact volume. The others are pretty neutral. Just changing the beater on your pedal can make a huge difference, though. The adjustments on the OFF-SET probably has a feel closer to a DW 9000, than the SC, the way I have it set, but changing the settings could bring it closer to the lighter feel of the SC. Personally I like the centered nature of the OS and would keep it before buying a SC dble.
what is the namo of the diving board action drum pedal
Any thoughts on the Demon Drive vs. the Drumnetics pedal, specifically? I noticed you didn't really address the Demon Drive very much. I just ordered the Demon Drive, but after I watched this I am wondering if I should send it back, because the Drumnetics pedal seems to be the most comfortable/natural to play. Also, any reason for not including Jojo Mayer's Sonor pedal in your review? I think it would have been a relevant pick. Maybe you should do part two of this video to include, both the Jojo Mayer Sonor pedal, and the new Drumnetics pedal??? [:
If you look, you can buy their conversion kit.....instead of buying a whole new pedal.....
I don't recall knowing about the JJ pedal when I did the test, but for the most part it's an expansion spring system like most all others, with a concentric cam. Nothing unique about that feel for me to invest in it, had I known about it. I got the DD because of its reputation, basically. It's a nice pedal, but having owned a few Pearls I never found any of them as comfortable as Tama's or Yamaha's for expansion spring pedals.
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do you do as well w axis and dw 9000 as drumnedics?
I have not tried new Axis pedals, but older ones always felt much too light for me. The DW 9000, being expansion spring based, still has those characteristics which I have disliked over the years, but in all honesty it is the nicest ex. spring pedal I have tried. I tried one after this test was completed. Still comes in second place, though.
Just as a point of reference, Drumnetics is not doing the conversion service at present, as all time is being devoted to production of new pedals.
I might have to check it out in the near future. I recently switched from Iron Cobras to Speed Cobras. I'm not playing speed metal or heel/toe, I just really enjoy how they feel. I'm really surprised this type of pedal has not hit big in the market. Everyone is always looking for the newest and the best. Why hasn't he gone big yet?!?!?!
Do u prefer the speed cobra over the iron cobra??
Just a personal preference, but I like the way springs want to move on their own a little bit and I also dislike the feel of direct drive. Seems like our feelings are diametrically opposed, though I can see why you might like what you like.
+Ryan Alexander Bloom I think that's a good point. You can take advantage of the momentum of the springs in certain situations.
+Michael Boykin I don't see how a spring can have momentum, per se. It is constantly pulling back, in and out, in and out, fighting against itself. Your foot would be the source of momentum, dealing with the action of the beater off the head. If a spring can have momentum I would have to say, just from a physics point of view the 3XF, with positive direct force in both directions, would work up serious momentum. As far as chain or direct drive, that's a matter of preference, of course. Direct drive is a much better action for me.
You are right in that the spring does not, in itself, have momentum. The combination of a spring and a weighted lever, the beater and shaft, does carry momentum like a pendulum kind of. That momentum makes playing easier in many situations. I have based my entire approach around it, as have most people. Direct drive totally makes sense, but I just don't like it... no good reason.
Ryan Alexander Bloom The only direct drive I’ve tried is the pdp concept. I didn’t want to spend alot of money on a more expensive pedal and hate it...
which I did. I went back to my dw4000 the same day and eventually bought a dw5000. The pdp still sits on a shelf. I don’t think it’s the pedal,but the direct drive that I hate.
All your pedals sound great !
Have you tried a single double pedal as a Disllist or Lazer or other pedals ?
No, I've never tried a Duallist. Since 2009 I have come to prefer the bass drum directly in front of me and use bi-lateral dble. pedals, which is a lot more ergonomic and physically comfortable.
I also left behind springs and chains, and like magnets and direct drive assemblies much more.
Plus, there's the whole learning curve and I've never seen any demonstrations that make such a device a necessary convenience, all things considered.
Thanks for watching.
What? No Mapex Falcon? My current favorite.
I'm guessing you've already sold most of them?
does it even come in dbl ped for leftys?
I wish the Trick Dominator was in this test; I'm a Speed King guy, but the Trick is the best pedal I've tried; their double pedal is also the best...
the narrow width of the board near the heal worrys me bc i often play back there, while sliding my way up doing multiple notes and i wish there wasnt all that engraving. will he make a lefty dbl?
The production model will have fewer flux lines, and they will be thinner, too. Looks nicer, imho. I think I commented elsewhere that the design of having the footboard inside the heel, rather than outside, proved to be a better feel when it was designed. The aluminum is high grade and can withstand something like 11-18k lbs per square inch, as I understand it, so strength is not an issue.
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im not worried about the strength of it just how it might feel under my tender bare feet.
Hi, im just wondering what kind of rubber or materials did you put on the board where the pedal beater hits? Sorry for the bad english. Im trying to make a home made bass drum practice pad. Please response and thank you in advance.
The test board has 1/2" mouse pad material, neoprene rubber. Besides that you can try self-adhesive weatherstripping, kitchen mat material, silicone pads, rug pad, all kinds of things really. You can take a small tom hoop and head and place these kinds of materials behind it, against your board and screw the hoop down to it. You can also use egg crate foam for that. I can't say I have found anything that actually simulates the feel of a bass drum head but, for practicing these materials get close enough.
REFondrums Thank you so much! :)
Ah, do you or would you sell one of your own made beater balls? I love your concept on them, a little closer to the bass drum head.
Very easy to do. Get a flathead beater, like Tama or Yamaha. Remove the felt. Go to Lowes or HD and try out the wooden knobs in the cabinet hardware section. Make sure their footprint will fit on the beater. Affix them with some Goop. Done.
what is the name of the right pedal? I need it haha
Demon drive is the best
Trick pedals!
What You want for th speed cobra
That Pearl Demon drive swings back and forth the longest after you take your foot off. That's a sign of a good pedal, or at least, good bearings.
All top-of-the-line pedals have good bearings. Some pedals swing back and forth more because of other factors like their spring mechanisms joined to axle and cam systems, etc. All pedals nowadays are very smooth in action, even low end pedals. The issue is return systems - expansion springs, compression springs, or in this case magnet repulsion, which I like the best. It feels the most natural to me.
REFondrums I do have to say something about the bearings... I changed my Tama Speedcobra bearings a while back. Thought they where nice bearing but instead, Tama used cheap chinese crap bearings. So I changed them with a nice Japanese skateboardbearing and they are flying again!
If any of you want a smoother action from your pedal, you can buy VERY nice bearings everywhere for under 50 bucks. I got mine with a discount so I paid 20 euro's. That's a very cheap upgrade to any pedal out there. Even the cheap ones!
Which bearings in the sc did you change? The ones by the heel plate?
Larry Tate I would also like to know
Dude, you NEED to get your hands on a Sleishman Twin Pedal! That is definitely the pedal for you!
I much prefer the bi-lateral design but, I see some design flaws in that pedal. Plus, being spring driven, I'd be right back where I was. I'll be getting the Drumnetics dble pedal soon. Until then I continue to use a bi-lateral Drumnetics I made using Drumnetics slaves and the center section of the Off-set which I removed the springs and modified with magnets. Works well. I'm really looking forward to getting the 3XF dble. though. He's backlogged with orders just from his facebook page. Hasn't even added it to the web site yet.
Hey man, don't knock it before you try it. main difference is no slave rods, it's all direct pedal and double chain. No reaction time latency. Plus, they come apart at the center just incase you want just one or to have two bass drums farther apart. Pedals themselves are also adjustable and capable of being converted into cocktail kit pedals (See Roy Wooten)! Alas, I could just be biased. I am a Mothertone/Sleishman Artist, after all!
True, I never tried one. In my research, though, I felt the OFF-SET had better adjustment features, and certainly a better price, which is why I got one and used it for years. That is how I grew to love the bi-lateral design compared to typical dble pedals. But, again, they are all spring driven. Magnet actuation is just a different propulsion system and for me is superior. Going back to springs is not an option.
It looks like the Trick was not doing the sequence of notes as well. Seemed to lack the sensitivity for quieter notes. I was considering getting one of those; now I'm not so sure.
Let me be honest. After all I read I figured the Trick would win the test. It is well made, has compression spring mechanism (which I wanted), and has a very smooth feel, but yes, it does have a rather monofeel to it. No matter how I set it it remained very mechanical in nature. It just didn't have an organic feel to it like other pedals in the test. I suppose for blast beats that is fine, but for articulation, not so much. Not for me, anyway. I believe the test bore that out. The Drumnetics has both the organic, natural feel, and can be used to whip up some serious speed, as well. But really, any good pedal can nurture speed. Speed was not my main concern.
I notice you didn't have the Jo Jo Mayer Sonor pedal in the test lineup. That might give you the sensitivity you want. Then again, I have seen other videos on YT showing it's mechanical problems. One guy had one where the board was moving sideways. Sonor probably didn't put bearings on the heel hinge. Another guy had one where the heel hinge was so tight the board was unplayable. It's a shame Sonor skipped some of the details.
The JJ pedal is not a unique device, save for its portability for packing. But its mechanics are found in older, conventional pedals with that type of cam system. Plus, I didn't even know about the pedal when I did the test. Had I known, I might have included one. Seeing the same vids as you, I'm satisfied I didn't.
check dw's pedals for the single version of the offset pedal.. check 5000 series dw
I see that the demon drives are set up as short boards. I'm wondering how this test would have taken place if they were in the long board setting?
As I mention in the video each pedal was tried in every position the pedals allowed. The Pearl was set up in its optimum position for me. Actually, though it's been awhile, I thought the Pearl WAS set up in their long board position. If not, it was simply because it was not as good as the regular position, for me. In actual fact, having messed around with each pedal they all felt better to me in the positions they were in right out of the box.
Do you still have the speed cobra available??
Sold. Sorry.
If you still have an offset for sale id love to buy it as i cant get it in my area
Charles Fisher, the designer, sold his company and the pedal is now available at offsetpedal.com
May you make a video on hi-hat stand comparisons?
DeDaBlake6 Well, I already own a Drumnetics and it's the best I've owned, so, no reason to do a test to find a h-h stand.
I think by ''diving board effect'' you mean the back part is a thin flexure?
Yes, the basic action of the pedal was formed at the heel, like a diving board, which, of course, has springs back there, not up front like ll other pedals using springs. In the case of the BOA it was the shape of the foot board at the heel and flexure of the board as a result which caused the action. A cool design but, one that afforded a flaw, which was the back end of the foot board could crack under pressure when re-positioning was engaged and the heel re-tightened. Apparently DW chose not to try redesigning it to keep it on the market. Bob Gatzen had a ice idea, though. There were other problems as well, like overall quality. Mine had issues with alignment caused by poor drilling of parts (not centered). The pedal had potential. Just one of those things industry can do - drop things and that's it.
I'm way late to see this video but the one pedal is actually called the "Demonator" not demon drive. Just saying, I own the pedal myself, great pedal
Actually, the pedal in the video is named the Pearl Eliminator Demon Drive Single Bass Pedal; so listed that way at numerous merchant's web sites, like Musician's Friend. These days the Pearl web site just refers to them as Demon Chain Drive or Demon Direct Drive.
What was the name of the first pedal ,did you say onset
+Paul Bamford OFF-SET, made by Charles Fisher.
I have a size 12 foot can any recommend an awsome long board pedal thanks in advance
Considering my feet are 13/14 EEE (wide), the Drumnetics work fine. They also make longboards by request.
REFondrums
Thanks for your info will check it out👍👍👍
I received my double recently and absolutely love it. Smooth as silk and so effortless to play. I don't play heels down but, I actually find it more comfortable on the long board than split board.
pero la posicion de cada pedal con referencia a la tabla va sonar diferenten tiene ke hacer un tex con la misma tabla y la ubicacion del centro del pedal para cada pedal
what do you want for the speed cobra?
Eric Madman 130 + shp.
This is a cool test for light speed and dynamic BUT there’s a lot more to a pedal than just this test. Having power along with clean accurate hits is a big factor. It might be clean for one of the pedals in this test but playing a live show and really stomping the pedals while maintaining these clean strokes is a whole other test. Some pedals feel great playing soft and fast and quick like this but when you try to play with power and volume with fast quick accurate strokes it’s not as great. It all depends but just saying just this tapping little test doesn’t say much. Also everyone’s technique and settings are all different of course.
I have never played any differently at home, studio, or live. I do what I do. I don't change anything. You should not have to. Good sound techs should protect a player's style. I don't play for mics. Mics should support what I play. For me, the test is based on what I do, regardless of environment. Honestly, I would not stomp on a pedal if someone paid me to do so. Like you say, the pedals were set for my feel. Some people might max out the tension system on each pedal. That is what they like. Others might barely place tension on the system. I tend to like most pedals I have used very close to what they are set at out of the box. Considering the number of different genres Drumnetics get used in, I have to say they are pedals with an apparent wide range of satisfied users. I continue to highly recommend them.
speed cobra has the battle sound
Duallist are the best
the BOA has the best 'thud' i might add
Yeah, Gatzen's beater is a real nice design. A real big thump and It had the foam around the cylindrical striking element and took away latent buzz that a lot of beaters create if you "bury" the beater, as I generally do. Oddly enough, the beater seemed really proprietary because changing beaters made the pedal feel very different in a negative way, for me.
whats the defect in the boa pedals?
They are long gone from production but, apparently, because the form of the foot board at the heel end is very thin, it could crack when tightened down. The correction was to make a thicker foot board at the back end but, that changed the action and feel of the pedal in a negative way. They decided to scrap the project. That's my understanding.
I still find the lighter basic designs such a a Pearl P120, Iron Cobra jnr and various other brands (mapex, premier, yamaha..) work better for fast playing. One of my all time favourites was the Pearl P1000, awesome sturdy pedal. I also think it's important to find a pedal with a base plate of sorts, that makes such a difference in not wasting energy through the pedal chasis.
I do have Iron cobras from my heavy drumming days, but I'm always looking for cheap basic pedals on ebay and then turbo charging them by loosening the bearings up and adding bushings, lube etc.
It's worth mentioning to try and find a pedal that has solid bearings in the footboard pivot (Pearl, Tama) OR double chains that stop the side to side tortion of the pedal, again wasted energy.
Best pedals... Pearl P1000, P120, P2000 (more money), Tama Iron Cobra Junior, Yamaha 700.
In practice, the new Mapex p600 looks like a cracking little pedal for the money! Also, no annoying toe stops. I hate those things. I like to be able to slide all the way up and down the pedal because right at the top you can really play some delicate stuff.
I have to say hand on heart the worst pedals I have come across are Gibraltar and Dixon (same design) That was the avenger series though (or was it the predator?) the one that looks like it will slice you foot up, well it will and it does and it squeeks and wobbles like a mother.
Mapex falcolns are pretty nice and smooth with a nice long footboard.
You should try the mapex falcon pedal it has a great feel and is very comfy
Zachary Williams Like most pedals, it's mechanical system is based on expansion springs. The Drumnetics is based on magnetic repulsion. The feel and action is the finest I have ever experienced. For me, going back to expansion spring-driven pedals is just no longer an option.
Zachary Williams I have the newer 3FX drumnetics trust me from drummer to drummer you won't want to play anything with a spring ever again... With emphasis on "Ever Again" It has no "Lag" like spring pedals nor will you ever get get the bounce that a chain has if you are playing super fast. Only thing I had to get used to was that they don't have as much resistance as conventional pedals because I'm so used to playing with my spring maxed out. But once you get used to the tension being a little lighter than normal its all she wrote. I encourage you to give on a try you will be glad you did.
whyd they discontinue boa? whats wrong w them?
Not really sure. As I understand it they had some issues and DW decided not to invest more time and money on them.
The honest observation I have? Big name drummers have tried his pedal. They love it. They are also under contract to the big companies. It's sad, but in today's marketplace, having "name" endorsers and an advertising budget to promote those endorsements is what sells something. Drumnetics, despite having a world-class pedal, doesn't have the "name" endorsers yet, or the big budget. That will come at some point, though. Just a matter of time.
Does anyone out there have thoughts on the TAMA HPDS1 Dyna-Sync singe pedal?
Nice pedal in design for a spring-based, direct drive unit. Quite expensive for what it is, as far as materials, though. It is greatly lacking in beater angle adjustment compared to even less expensive Tama pedals. That is a big ?!? many people have commented about.
The coil underneath is kind of weak, as its predecessor is. Of course, feel is totally subjective.
With the exception of the sliding cam adjustment, it really has nothing different to offer.
may i ask why people use two single bass instead of a regular double bass pedal? (i'm a beginner)
Two single pedals are used when a drummer uses two bass drums.
yes i know that but why? does it sound wider and better with two bass drums?
Yes and no. It really boils down to personal preference. Music is very subjective, and every drummer is different, so their preference for single or double bass drums, is really about how they want to express themselves. For example, I prefer double bass drums, but use a single bass, with a double pedal because it's more convenient, and takes up less space on stage.
In my case I decided to add a bass drum of another size, wanting two different pitches. Some just like the feel of one beater against a bass head. There IS a difference in the feel of twin beaters striking one head.
Syn het Mostly, for space & time...for me. Anyhow. It can get tough to be lugging around another bass drum...
Would you like to sell the BOA????
What did u like better between the demon drive and the speed cobra?
+Larry Tate For whatever reason I have never been comfortable with Pearl pedals. They always felt stiff to me. The DD is smooth enough but, next to the SC it felt rather sluggish but, that isn't the real difference, and it is minor, especially considering the DD' direct link can help with note articulation. The SC takes advantage of the severe cam angle and longer board and it really creates a terrific feel. That said, as you can hear in the video it doesn't present much punch. The Cobra Coil spring is useless. The new model looks as though they made the spring a little more beefy, and the new beater head would create more impact. But, neither provide the natural feel of the Drumnetics. Nor the impact, by design. The Coil cannot really be used to push the board back up too much because it is a chain link. The chain would be constantly losing form and if you dance on the pedal board any gap between your foot and the board could really effect the entire action of the pedal. So, I doubt the new spring does much, either. I'm surprised Tama has not introduced a solid link version.
Cool, thanks for the info. I might grab myself a double speed cobra. I need the double pedal and I know drumnetics may be a while yet on that. I have the double mapex falcon now though and I like it a lot. Also have the DW 9002 and it's not for me. It's smooth but the feel is heavy and it fatigues my muscles much quicker than my Falcons do. I'm going to trade them in for the double speed cobra and then decide what I want on my kit and what I want on practice pad between the Falcons and the sc.
Have you tried any of the new Yamaha pedals, direct drive or chain? I have the direct drive hi hat stand from yamahas new line and love it.
+Larry Tate I haven't. No more spring driven bass drum pedals for me. They just don't have the feel of the magnet action. Same goes for hi hats. The Drumnetics hi hat is very simple, and very effective.
+Larry Tate The Drumnetics double pedal is now in production. Check out their facebook page or website. I believe they are running a short introductory price program to start off the first production run. Check it out.
Speed cobra the winner
I just find it awesome how many fucking pedals you have
Drumnetics Magnetic pedal wins hands down - unfortunately the double version is roughly $650 and doesn't have toe-stops
I put toe stops on mine. Just took two pieces of aluminum angle bar and affixed them with Goop. Works well. Actually, now that I think of it, I haven't done that on the dble pedals and don't seem to notice any problems. If I remember correctly the only pedal of those in the video that comes with a toe stop is the OFF-SET. The rest do not. I also affixed stops on the Yamaha, which were pieces of knurled cym boom arm, also affixed with Goop. Added a little weight to the board which also worked well for me.
As far as price, I haven't checked lately but, the Drumnetics compared well with the other American made aluminum pedals. It was less than the others.
on each pedal on this planet are many settings. It`s not just - buy a pedal, upack it and go! rightaway. That`s not what pedals should do.... you can adjust a lot of things on each Pedal. My recomendation is: OFFSET "BIG BOY" from Evolution Drumgear - forget about speed cobras or any strange pedals - compared to the BIG BOY
Yeah looks alright but he already has an off set pedal there and prefered the drumnetics
You mentioned you tried out Axis... did you not like it? How would that have compared?
Axis has gone through some refinements and model changes since I tried one years ago. At the time it felt too light for me. No real impact in the throw. And, like all spring based pedals, as smooth as Axis and all other modern pedals are, for me, it just doesn't compare to the natural feel and dynamics of a Drumnetics. The Drumnetics truly feels like an extension of my feet, not a device I am operating.
Thanks, interesting... to me the axis has light beaters.
Czarcie Kopyto pedals are missing :D
It's basically a copy of a Trick
Matt van den Ham they feel totally different it's very much a different pedal I personally prefer the trick ALOT more.
I have Premier Double pedal (DP 500). Its fukin mad. I've had it for 15 years and it cant break... Super Fast...
I'm glad you like your pedal. The purpose of the video was to show the differences between action systems and why I chose the Drumnetics. It would be great if drummers could feel the centered action of a Drumnetics with its magnetic propulsion system. It's just another gig altogether. Like your Premier, 99% of all pedals are expansion-spring driven. I've owned many; far more over the years than what is displayed in the video. Some are better than others but, even beginner's pedals today have good action. I've used them on practice set-ups, and even recorded with them. They might not be "road worthy" but, they function better than pedals of decades ago. The Drumnetics might not be for every drummer. No pedal can be. Still the feel of those magnets working, even better with the new 3XF design, is the most natural thing you will experience under your foot. A double pedal is soon to come, based on demand, and owning the previous version I know the new design will be incredible.
I can see what you mean about missing that 3rd beat. Great Vid by the way.. If I ever upgrade my kit i would definately consider a new pedal. That magnetic system sounds pretty cool and by the way it hits all the beats in your vid it would be a great gig pedal to free up some energy.. The great thing about my premier is that every single component is adjustable in some way, you can really fine tune it.. Cheers
I also used Premier pedal for 20 years.no problems at all.and it’s a second hand
@@richardbrianbulfa1112 hey funny I say it can't break. It did 2019...
Broke the direct drive arm...
I took the time to find an engineer and had 2 made identical but out of nickel steel...
I have the only 2 spare parts in that quality on the planet...
They work brilliantly....
Fuck yeah for finding a second hand 1... hold on to it
another view at drum pedals:
www.patrickbuzo.com/single-post/2018/11/26/How-the-Perfect-Balance-Pedal-by-Jojo-Mayer-changed-the-way-I-think-of-drum-pedals
Why do you not like the name of the demon drive?
+iamsuchajerk probably a bible basher
+Chaos Authority or he could just not like being associated with the idea of evil...why does it really matter why not?
+Jarri Cash i was joking tbh, i couldn't care less if he likes the devil or not.
Do a MDD by dw review!
TheMajorPinx As I mention in another video I did end up trying the 9000. Very nice pedal. That said, I doubt the MDD plays any better and I would not spend that much money on ANY pedal to try it out.
My thoughts exactly, I was hoping someone was daft enough to do it though... maybe there is something special about them. I just don't know.
I'm yet to rly see any DW artists switch to the new direct drives. Have either of you guys? Someone who tried it told me there akways ahead of them making them feel like they actually had to work harder cause of it. Seem a couple reviews of people who own it, saying it was great though. However after spending a thousand bucks they prob be too upset to admit they don't perform as good as their previous pedal that was half the price. DW over charges severely for most of their products.
Why can't you stand the name demondrive?
the silent gamer i just ordered a demonator p930 pedal can't wait to try it out
no pearl 2002c or b
I used to have iron cobras and they were nice, not too light, I like to feel the board under my foot, but I later moved to the demon drives and I found my funny version of heel toe became flawless. instead of hitting the pedal with my heel, I offset my foot so it sits diagonally on the board, i kick my heel onto the ground instead of the heel plate so that the center of my foot arch hits the pedal then down with my toes, doing this allows me to get two kicks in with very very little movement of my foot. it's fucked I know but it works so well
Is this a sponsored video?
No. Mike Van Dyk, the inventor of the Drumnetics pedal, and I had only spoken on the phone when I conducted my test. When I ordered my second pedal from him, because he lived fairly close, he brought it up to me to check out my set-up for the test. We have become friends since but, my friendship with him had nothing to do with the test or the results and my choice to play Drumnetics. Drumnetics has no formal endorser program, nor sponsors anyone's videos I am aware of.
Just curious bc I had never heard of them before.
Dude...why you dissing on Demon...just kidding. lol
it seems magnets might not last bc they lose strength.
no disrespect as a drummer just wondering?
10 4. the only thing that worries me is it damaging thing that are susceptible to mags.
why are you not a fan of the name "demon-drive" ???
I'm a Christian.
REFondrums And that makes what difference? Cobras bite people.
I sincerely don't get it.
Using dangerous creatures to name merchandise or sports teams, etc, is an old practice now. It's basically breast beating in the marketplace. From a Christian, biblical, world-view, though (and I realize it is not a poplar view), using association of blatant evil to name anything is, to me, an ignorant practice, given the information we have in the Bible of these entities and the deception and destruction they cause. Glorifying evil is popular today. Just a sign of the times.
I dig you. I still think it's inexcusably inconsistent to pooh-pooh something with the word "demon" in it and not something with the word "cobra" in it. After all, any fool can see (and prove) that cobras harm people for real on a daily basis, and demons ... don't. One would hope that a person concerned with other people being harmed would object to the thing which is demonstrably harmful rather than something which cannot be demonstrated to even exist, much less hurt folks.
Maybe that's just me. ;)
It's crucial to note that, in other mythologies, "demons" aren't universally evil. That's a characteristic of the Abramic faiths, which dismiss as evil any differing ideology; any spirit not God (or apparently one of his angels) is a "devil". The kitsune of Japan, for example, is a demon, called unequivocally that, but is merely a trickster who is often benevolent. Interestingly, the word "demon" itself stems from the Greek "daimon", which simply means "spirit". It only takes on its negative context in Early Modern Christian theology. To the Greeks, diamones could be helpful as well as harmful.
In fact, the Bible doesn't refer to demons much at all; it mentions "devils" and "evil spirits", but doesn't really use the word "demon", at least not the King James Version, with which I am most familiar.
If I might be bold, I suggest you look into history, anthropology, and linguistics before passing judgment. ;)
Bob Davis Its ok bob davis. It makes no sense. Then again most christians rarely do.