For all the haters.. yes he said the pedals help. Help is the key word. From playing Axis currently versus previous single chain driven pedals there is a difference. However, the drummer still has a large responsibility in changing their foot motion to adjust. SO Wyatt is right, in that they HELP and he mentioned the work he had to do to increase speed and adjust to the direct drive.
I think thats a really important distinction. I remember when i started double bass thats all anyone said "direct drive is the only way to go" its not. Theres a different feel and probably different effort. If I was touring or playing 5 hours a day, then I'm sure the direct drive would be less fatiguing. But its technique, he even says the same thing around the 10 minute mark. I wouldn't want new drummers to become discouraged because they cant afford nicer gear. you can do it with cheaper pedals too. Just look at covers of bands like all that remains, or as blood runs black (I know there are much faster bands but these are just what I started learning with). The tempos are "slow"100-140ish, but they do a lot of 32nd note runs (thats equivalent to 200+ bpm with 16th notes). You'll see all kinds of people with all kinds of pedals pulling it off. Learn the proper technique and youre good to go.
Youre right on there man. My biggest fear is retraining my feet amd heels caise it took years to get where I got already. I wanna get am sjc kit next year and I dunno.. May have to try this setup put and rethink everything. Btw, metal fucking rules! Horns ☝!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
If you have never played a direct drive pedal before, it’s fucking different. Dude is right on saying you will have to kind of adjust your technique. Everyone is different and some people may get on DD and figure it out in 5 min. It doesn’t have to mean you have to spend a year trying to get your technique right with type of pedal. Or it could. I would suggest everyone at least try a DD pedal. Doesn’t have to be Trick. Find what you like. You figure out the twitch motion, you will get faster.
me too I have the roddysigA21s but at 1200 bucks they don't come with a case either but your more connected than any chain pedal I'm not even fast and they help.
Anyone curious about direct drives of any sort coming from a chain drive. Listen at 10:07. This is really key for going “faster” Direct drives do not work for stomping or beater burying styles, in fact that’s exactly when they will feel incredibly weak and jagged. Just as importantly you must re examine your seating habits. Avoid putting any of your weight and stability for balance on the pedals, scoot further back on your throne even enough to have your ass hang off the back a bit. You should be able to take your feet off the pedals and not move or tip forward. This will allow you to “float” over the pedals. From there rather than stomping, you “flick” or “whip” the pedal so to speak.
How much of a difference? I have a trick drive shaft on my speed cobras but i’m still struggling to make my pedals feel even. And that’s made it hard to increase my speed
@@blakeesper I put the shaft on my DW 9002 and the difference was noticeable. Idk about the original shaft on your tama, but the one no the DW was not good at all. Maybe that's why the difference was substantial
I have to say, I am really excited to someday get to use an expensive double bass pedal. I’ve always played on crappy cheap versions or mid tier. I think dw3000 is about the highest end pedal I’ve used. I’ve never really complained. As long as you tweak them correctly they all work well. When people say a better pedal makes a big difference it really makes me wonder. Because I’m pretty freaking fast and precise on crappy pedals. How good would I be on a $1000 pedal? Lol
@@MisterRorschach90 There's a learning curve like most things, but if you feel like your current pedals are holding you back, moving to high grade gear is always a good move. No matter what anyone says about X piece of gear, it really is all on the player and how they feel playing it. That said, I blind bought the Trick low mass pair, and I'd do it again. I've played a pair of Kopytos, they're also fantastic, but I didn't find them so much better than the Tricks that I wanted to wait a year for them. ACD is another widely used pedal by metal drummers, they also make retrofits for pretty much any pedal.
for heel toe double strokes, I was playing these for several months, developing heel toe on them on a medium spring tension, a turn and a half back on the dials, got pretty solid at the 180-220 range, then tried cranking up the springs to max, and bam, I can do 260-280, even upward of 300. dayum.
@@magiisk2385 lets talk about pulling those speeds without triggers... thats the real impressive shit, its annoying to see twitchy dudes pulling off 300 when the beaters are barely making a sound. when you hear some powerful doubles its equally as impressive as hearing powerful singles with no triggers
@@endowednigerian show me a video of someone pulling off 16th notes at 300 bpm for more than a split second. It’s next to impossible. The amount of power you lose at those speeds makes it impossible to hit the drum without triggers and make it sound good. I’m not sure why there are still people out there who view triggers as some cheap parlor trick to get you to higher speeds. It still takes years of practice and control to get there, and then be able to do it evenly. Even George Kollias uses foot blaster triggers and he’s a beast.regardless of if you’re using the ankle technique or heel toe, or swivel, they’re necessary to reach those speeds consistently.
@@TheWolf92 i dont believe triggers are what you described them, but i hate when people only tap the kickdrum and leave all the work to the triggers! that is a cheap easy way out IMO, but if they are actually hitting the kickdrum with power but use triggers to help with the live setting so the rest of the band and crowd can hear the kicks then i have no problem with anyone using triggers. and yes it may take time to control the fast twitch at those super high tempos but that will never compare in my ears to a solid acoustic sound with balls! you might disagree but that is what i think
@@WyattStav -YOU SIR ARE CORRECT!I PAID GOOD $FOR THEM,BUT HAVE ASPIRED FOR AWHILE(YEARS😪)TO TRY AXIS.YOU HOWEVER HAVE BROUGHT ATTN.TO A SEEMINGLY BETTER RESULT.YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT A KICKASS PERCUSSIONIST YOU ARE BUT I'LL TELL YA AGAIN.YOU'RE A TRUE PLEASURE TO LISTEN TO!....TRULY INSPIRING.I'M 52 &I STILL PRACTICE TO METAL...KEEPS ME YOUNG!KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MAN!OOPS...P.S.HOW MUCH WAS THE PEDAL?$$
Dirk Verbeuren, Gene Hoglan, Frost, Hannes Grossman all play or played 16th notes at 240bpm+ for long passages with chain drives. I'm sure there are many more.
@@TheWitchOvAgnesi yeah if you consider Emperor, Dark Funeral Spawn of Possession and Gorgasm scene kid bands. Youre really embarrassing yourself here.
Hey Wyatt I have these in the black widow edition. I have found for myself that putting the chain conversion on these pedals was the ticket for me. All direct drive pedals have always felt more like a piece of springy exercise equipment to me. I would love to see you try the chains on these and see how you thought they compared to the direct drive. I have found no loss in speed with the chains on the Tricks in fact I find I can hold faster speeds longer with the chains. I think its all the top notch ingredients of these pedals (compression spring,ergonomics,and build quality) that make faster speeds maybe more achievable for some,and not just the direct drive link. When you are able I would love to see you put the chains on the tricks and do a direct comparison again against the speed cobras. If your willing to do so when you get time let me know I will buy the chains and send them to you or donate to your channel whatever works better for you. Thanks for the videos.
Iron cobras don’t have the same features and build quality as a trick pedal The compression spring on a trick gives it a totally different feel even with chain.
Wyatt put 3,4 inch plywood under your kit cover with carpet then use then use 1 inch wood screws in front and around the pedals leaving a little bit exposed to secure in place works very well! Keep rocking love you videos
Hey brother, just want to tell you, i really enjoy your vids. You do an amazing job with your explanations and opinions. I like how detailed yet simplistic you make everything. Thank you for all the content. Look forward to seeing your new project videos.
hey Wyatt funny story: two years ago I was looking for a new pedal and I saw your video and you showed the logo of czarcie kopyto in your video. Now I own czarcie kopyto pedals. Great video and thank you for showing me this brand without that I would never even found out about this fantastic company.
Hey Wyatt. I think I said this in your previous video but I want to elaborate again. I own both Tricks and Czarcie Kopyto (pronounced Chachi Cohpito) and I can say that Czarcies are 1000 times better. They are super responsive (more so than tricks) and I've always found that the compression spring was a lot harder to control in comparison to the standard springs. You can also change the average constant tension with a virtically sliding locking mechanism just below the spring. I would seriously recommend getting a pair even though it's pretty expensive and hard to get. They will blow your mind.
Trick’s made some innovations that should and imo probably will become industry standards. I’m finally about to have one of their low mass double pedals myself.
My bigfoot developed a little squeak. Emailed the company, got a response in hours from the CEO who recommended getting a bit of Lucas Red 'n Tacky. Two minutes to apply a light coat to the rolling bits inside and it's good again. So be prepared, it can happen, but it's a simple fix. The rubbers that sit on the bass drum hoop like to get eaten by the hoop, that kind of sucks. I'm looking at some rubber putty type stuff to rebuild them. Nice review Wyatt!
I have speed cobras and absolutely hate how light they are and have even replaced the stock springs with Tama's heavier Dyna Sync springs. I have considered buying Bigfoot pedals for a while now. Since you have experienced both pedals, do you believe I can achieve a heavier feel with these pedals to cater to my technique and to give me better balance so that it is easier on my lower back?
Yes. You can adjust these to suit any technique. I use to have the speed cobras, and they are a toy compared to the pro 1v bigfoots. They are absolutely the best pedals in the world. Worth every penny, eventho its expensive af.
I had the privilege to spend a few days at their shop in Illinois, where they build, design & create these great pedals & so much more. I am an FSE who traveled the world, installing custom laser marking systems and also a musician. I have to say... these are some of the coolest people you could ever meet! Every person there was a musician, mostly drummers of course. Super intelligent, yet down to earth. Met and spoke with Mike (founder and owner) many times. Great guy. He had a loft above the production floor which was their band's rehearsal area, and down on the work floor was the most badass drum kit I've ever seen in person. I think it was for quality testing of the builds, but it might have been just for inspiration and/or stress relief during a work day. Great place... best drum gear on the market!
Thank you so much for this review. You have just made me feel even more confident about my decision to buy this pedal. Also, I decided to add the Pro1-V hi-hat stand. I'm looking forward to their arrival and getting busy on them! Btw, I've enjoyed your drumming tutorials and reaction videos during the pandemic lockdown. I appreciate it.
I've played with the same pair of Pearl Eliminators I received on my 15th birthday... 19 years ago. They're starting to fall apart and I'm in the market for a new pair. I'm really intrigued by the design of these pedals. I LOVE the ease of adjustments to spring tension. Just afraid of the price tag because my pedals would then be more valuable than the entire kit lol.
Yamaha FP9 is another great direct drive model ppl can get less than trick price it's $699 or less online. I payed like $700 OR LESS. sorry just thought I'd tell ppl. Great pedal .
Great review, pedal looks awesome! I play a Yamaha dfp9 double with a strap drive. I saw at least 3 big youtube reviewers say the same exact thing - that it was just as responsive as any pedal they've tried. So I had to get one- best equipment decision I ever made! So fast and effortless!
Hey, just dropped by to comment and sub, 4 months ago I was replacing my Iron Cobras, and this review convinced me to buy the Bigfoot low mass double with no previous experience on them. Thanks so much! Edit... I did not lose any power in the low mass version. Also, the "velcro" they included with my set were more like plastic spikes that don't let them move.... like even when I wanna pull them off my rug haha.
Get a crash pad rug to keep the bass drum in place. Cheap, portable rug with a bass drum stop built in.... you and your throne are now the weight that keeps the bass from sliding away!
I agree with you on the entire review, I love mine you got it all spot on. I velcro mine all over the bottom and use a roland drum mat and they stick like shit to a blanket! Yeah I really need a case too! I think a company call pelican ( not sure if that's correct) do loads of hard cases all all shapes and sizes, foam inserts etc. So glad you gave them a good review. They're just a great piece of design meets functionality. 👊
Nice review. I've got Axis A longboards and kinda stumbled upon the technique you were talking about. I can go from 180-220 easily but anything between 130-180 is super sloppy. Does anyone have any advice for how I could play these speeds? Basically up to 120-130 i just stomp away, from 180 upwards im just flicking my feet from my ankles and my legs are barely moving but i cant get anything locked down from 130-180. Thanks in advance :)
I bought the Speed Cobra 910 in 2017. I've been looking at moving to direct drive. Through out this video I was convinced this was the pedal for me. Then you talked about how much they move. Nope. Why the hell would they not include spurs like the 910? The search continues...
The next time I can hold out from buying a couple grams of snow I’ll purchase this pedal. 10 years from now I’ll comment on this and I’ll say still in the struggle.
5 years later this pedal is still consistently on back order. Finally getting mine tomorrow. I talked to the ceo of the company and he says it’s hard to keep employees in Chicago and the good employees he has get poached by other companies as machining these takes smart people
Holy shit man I didn’t realize u were such a double bass beast! That was some brutal speed😎 it’s sick to see u using vratim drum shoes. I’m thinking about getting them
My second comment 2 years later, love my Tricks man, have them split now, 2 BDs. I ran rudiments constantly with these things and the only issue was I snapped the spring tension bar inside the tower. Trick has upgraded this part and sent me 2 for free. Just recently started working on speed, spent most of the last 2 years on coordination, right now I struggle a little with 16ths say at 130 like the sections in LOG-Redneck, so I'm pushing the left more now, what's weird is I can run triplets easier than the 16ths? You are right about the case I mean, come on Trick, also I would like to see some type of measurable indicator on the spring adjusters. Heel/toe though I crank with these things (your video dude), almost got a buzz roll out at the end of the boards with constant pressure. I'm an old F&%$ though and need a new left knee, so I get those shots, not cortisone the other ones.
Czarcie Kopyto brother! Difference is that they are much better quality, construction,settings are insane there is a reason to metal drummers mostly use them. And yes I live in the states and yes there is a way to get them but I will not post it. But to give trick some props Kevin Paradis uses them and he is a monster at 300bpm
Powerserg 5000 could you dm me on Instagram or give me your IG or some way to contact you I’m ready to buy some czarcies but I need to find a way to get them in the US
This pedal rocks got an open box Black Widow from Sweetwater, having trouble fitting my foot under the tower for toe heel, appreciate your videos Wyatt!
Awesome review! @Wyatt, you mentioned that at 235 Tricks were easier than SC's. Is there any difference at 160? 99% of what I play is 200 bpm or less, with majority around 160. When you're at that speed, does it matter still? If you get on the tricks for a 160 song with extended db rolls, do you find it easier/better/maybe even not as good, than the SC's at those speeds? THANKS!!!!
Just picked up a set of these! Waited 14 months for them to come in and just picked them up yesterday…. What are the settings you use? Been checking out different setups but would be cool to know how you have them set up
I would hope that after all these years they got better. Danny from Oceano recommended me these back when they put their first album out but I never got them lol.
let you know, i was going to get axis lazers cause the smooth board like my axis roddys, but axis is backorderd sevral months, the widows appear to have a smooth board but theyer more expenzive and theyer already pricey as hell, ill let you know if its bearable or extra parts teritory, my oldskool power cobras will tear your shit up.
the ingraving is an optical illusion its no rougher than the face its just the grain is headed in another direction its barely detectable with your fingers.
I couldn't find this answer anywhere online. I'm interested in the Trick pro 1v however I play left handed. sweetwater says no such pedal exists. is there a lefty conversion kit or a possible way to convert the standard double pedal? I would hate to have to buy a separate set of Axis pedals to accommodate the left handed setup. thanks in advance.
Ive experienced the situation of the slave pedal & the bass drum moving forward because while playing so i fix it by tying up the slave pedal into the throne & i also tied the bass drum into the throne..&i designed the tie to be comfortable&fast 4 me to set-up..& it works😁 .. Cause i dont have the budget to buy those pedals that u have..
I have been using the Tama DynaSync direct drive pedal and really like it. I used to have the Trick pedal but could not get used to the feel of that compression spring.
How are the pedals individually? Can you easily play fast doubles? I play single pedal most of the time but like the option of having a double bass pedal.
I was blown away how different of a feel it brings. It is so much more power I had to stop because my butt muscles hurt. I could easily puncture my bass drum head. If I put this on a max hit setting
All of these direct drive pedals have the speed and power, it is still based on technique and your approach. I have pearl demon drive double and it is perfect. It is all opinion.
I played the Pro-1V for a few years (including the laser triggers they make for them). I kept having problems in the long run (snapping heads off of bolts, wearing down flat spots where the bearing rolls on the plate in front of the spring, stripping out the inside of the hub where the driveshaft connects, laser trigger cables dying mid tour). I switched to Czarcie Kopyto in May and I'm never getting another pair of pedals again. Perfect pedals. I can make them feel like literally any pedal I want and they're built like TANKS. If you can get your hands on them, do it. - Mike Caputo (live drums, Rings of Saturn)
@@TheWitchOvAgnesi before Trick the list of pedals I owned was fairly short (Axis A Longboards, a very cheap pair of Pearl pedals, and Tama Iron Cobra 900's). That being said. I'm MORE THAN happy with the Czarcie Kopyto's that I have now. They're honestly perfect
@@TheWitchOvAgnesi I will say though, I can do basically everything I can do now on the Trick pedals, or even the Pearl Redlines (yes the chain pedals, I actually like them a lot). But the Czarcies just make everything require less effort. Trick is runner up though
A dude nice vid, I'm in Oz , I had a look and a store can get the Bigfoot for $2890 or something like that..... the double chain is about $2000 I think. Anyway I think that's too much for someone on a budget . I've seen some double direct drives that are cheaper like Pearl , DW ,Tama & also Gibraltar has a good looking 1 for about $500 it's direct too. I want to have a decent speed. Do you think any direct drive pedal is better than a chain drive ? If so I could get a cheaper direct drive , if they are better than chains driven no ? Is a cheap direct drive better than an expensive chain is the question ?? Thanks Man. Saul
Still rocking my Demon Drives. I've never played on a Trick or an Axis, but considering I can do 270+ on my DDs I've never felt compelled to spend hundreds extra on another pedal, but God damn the Trick pedals just look so fucking good. I wish I could try them out, because if they were even .1% better I would probably have to get them, lol. Thanks for the video man
Hey Wyatt, I don’t know if I will get a personal response to this, but I figured maybe other Trick users in the chat may be able to help me if not.. I switched from a DW 7000, to the black widow edition of these pedals and the only thing that I have noticed is the loss of power. I have tried so many different settings, but I would love to know what you, or other people using these pedals are setting them at? I know that it will be different for everybody, but maybe this will at least give me a basis to work around. Thanks in advance!
Hey Wyatt, I seen you were struggling a bit with the Velcro on those pedals. You should try the Extreme Outdoor Velcro, made for all weather, rough surfaces. Available online or at Home Depot. Its item # 91373. Its big hooks are so strong you probably won't need any weights to keep your kick in place. With these, your pedal alone will be the anchor. Good Luck, !
Hey man GREAT video, exactly what i was looking for considering buying them - thank you! I have one question, since you showed the spring tension knob/wheel: Is there also some sort of markers or numbers or anything to see where youre spring tension is at? Because I couldnt see any in the video? Like say tension is on 1,2,3,4,5 and so on?
Wyatt good video and I purchased the trick black widow pedals and still configuring the pedal since june 2019. Any suggestions for quick response? I tried all the board heights, beater height n the spring tension. Thx man good luck.
I feel like the heel toe sing stroke (technique I am currently working on) just doesn't work as well on a trick... It seems like it works better for ankle technique... Is it just me? It's been a couple weeks, maybe I just need longer to adjust? IDK Any thoughts on this?
I'm currently using pearl demonator P-932 chain double pedal (not the demon drives) which cost around 200$ new. So it's a chain pedal, but i'm really looking for a direct drive pedal, i'm not sure if i'll get the pearl demon drive, or trick pedals, or something else that's around 500 to 1000$.
If the velcro under the pedal isn't holding secure it's probably because the carpet under the pedal is not loop pile. Velcro, as we all know, works by hook and loop. The velcro on the pedal is the hook half and it needs a loop to snag on. I figured this out when my 1st gen Axis pedals skidded around on carpet that was not loop pile. So I went to a carpet store and got a cheap remnant of loop pile carpet to use for my drum rug. The velcro grabs the loop pile so strongly that I almost need to pry it loose when I tear down. I do not need to add more velcro to the pedal, the amount of velcro the pedal came with is more than enough to hold securely if the pedal is placed on a loop pile carpet. I don't know why the drum industry doesn't just make a drum rug from the loop half material of velcro and be done with it.
I can’t find these pedals anywhere in Canada lol. Looking at their dominator doubles. 2 year wait if ordered today. The polish pedals can be hand made and delivered in 1 to 2 months. 😢
For all the haters.. yes he said the pedals help. Help is the key word. From playing Axis currently versus previous single chain driven pedals there is a difference. However, the drummer still has a large responsibility in changing their foot motion to adjust. SO Wyatt is right, in that they HELP and he mentioned the work he had to do to increase speed and adjust to the direct drive.
I think thats a really important distinction. I remember when i started double bass thats all anyone said "direct drive is the only way to go" its not. Theres a different feel and probably different effort. If I was touring or playing 5 hours a day, then I'm sure the direct drive would be less fatiguing.
But its technique, he even says the same thing around the 10 minute mark. I wouldn't want new drummers to become discouraged because they cant afford nicer gear. you can do it with cheaper pedals too. Just look at covers of bands like all that remains, or as blood runs black (I know there are much faster bands but these are just what I started learning with). The tempos are "slow"100-140ish, but they do a lot of 32nd note runs (thats equivalent to 200+ bpm with 16th notes). You'll see all kinds of people with all kinds of pedals pulling it off. Learn the proper technique and youre good to go.
Jackson Agar great point! It’s not like the pedals automatically boost you to 200bpm. Practice is still and always involved.
Youre right on there man. My biggest fear is retraining my feet amd heels caise it took years to get where I got already. I wanna get am sjc kit next year and I dunno.. May have to try this setup put and rethink everything. Btw, metal fucking rules! Horns ☝!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
If you have never played a direct drive pedal before, it’s fucking different. Dude is right on saying you will have to kind of adjust your technique. Everyone is different and some people may get on DD and figure it out in 5 min. It doesn’t have to mean you have to spend a year trying to get your technique right with type of pedal. Or it could. I would suggest everyone at least try a DD pedal. Doesn’t have to be Trick. Find what you like. You figure out the twitch motion, you will get faster.
me too I have the roddysigA21s but at 1200 bucks they don't come with a case either but your more connected than any chain pedal I'm not even fast and they help.
Anyone curious about direct drives of any sort coming from a chain drive. Listen at 10:07. This is really key for going “faster” Direct drives do not work for stomping or beater burying styles, in fact that’s exactly when they will feel incredibly weak and jagged. Just as importantly you must re examine your seating habits. Avoid putting any of your weight and stability for balance on the pedals, scoot further back on your throne even enough to have your ass hang off the back a bit. You should be able to take your feet off the pedals and not move or tip forward. This will allow you to “float” over the pedals. From there rather than stomping, you “flick” or “whip” the pedal so to speak.
Having used speed corba's and then switched to Czarcie Kopyto... Yes, the pedal does make a difference.
Did you try Trick as well to compare if there's any difference?
How much of a difference? I have a trick drive shaft on my speed cobras but i’m still struggling to make my pedals feel even. And that’s made it hard to increase my speed
@@blakeesper I put the shaft on my DW 9002 and the difference was noticeable. Idk about the original shaft on your tama, but the one no the DW was not good at all. Maybe that's why the difference was substantial
I have to say, I am really excited to someday get to use an expensive double bass pedal. I’ve always played on crappy cheap versions or mid tier. I think dw3000 is about the highest end pedal I’ve used. I’ve never really complained. As long as you tweak them correctly they all work well. When people say a better pedal makes a big difference it really makes me wonder. Because I’m pretty freaking fast and precise on crappy pedals. How good would I be on a $1000 pedal? Lol
@@MisterRorschach90 There's a learning curve like most things, but if you feel like your current pedals are holding you back, moving to high grade gear is always a good move. No matter what anyone says about X piece of gear, it really is all on the player and how they feel playing it. That said, I blind bought the Trick low mass pair, and I'd do it again. I've played a pair of Kopytos, they're also fantastic, but I didn't find them so much better than the Tricks that I wanted to wait a year for them. ACD is another widely used pedal by metal drummers, they also make retrofits for pretty much any pedal.
for heel toe double strokes, I was playing these for several months, developing heel toe on them on a medium spring tension, a turn and a half back on the dials, got pretty solid at the 180-220 range, then tried cranking up the springs to max, and bam, I can do 260-280, even upward of 300. dayum.
300? Bullshit prove it
@@jord9261 300 with heel toe is not that special, many people can do it
@@magiisk2385 lets talk about pulling those speeds without triggers... thats the real impressive shit, its annoying to see twitchy dudes pulling off 300 when the beaters are barely making a sound. when you hear some powerful doubles its equally as impressive as hearing powerful singles with no triggers
@@endowednigerian show me a video of someone pulling off 16th notes at 300 bpm for more than a split second. It’s next to impossible. The amount of power you lose at those speeds makes it impossible to hit the drum without triggers and make it sound good. I’m not sure why there are still people out there who view triggers as some cheap parlor trick to get you to higher speeds. It still takes years of practice and control to get there, and then be able to do it evenly. Even George Kollias uses foot blaster triggers and he’s a beast.regardless of if you’re using the ankle technique or heel toe, or swivel, they’re necessary to reach those speeds consistently.
@@TheWolf92 i dont believe triggers are what you described them, but i hate when people only tap the kickdrum and leave all the work to the triggers! that is a cheap easy way out IMO, but if they are actually hitting the kickdrum with power but use triggers to help with the live setting so the rest of the band and crowd can hear the kicks then i have no problem with anyone using triggers. and yes it may take time to control the fast twitch at those super high tempos but that will never compare in my ears to a solid acoustic sound with balls! you might disagree but that is what i think
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@@ericking4072 Well those are great pedals! :)
PDP Concept direct drive double
I just bought this pedal based on your previous video and that I've been wanting to try a direct drive. I got the Bigfoot Black Widow Edition.
@@WyattStav -YOU SIR ARE CORRECT!I PAID GOOD $FOR THEM,BUT HAVE ASPIRED FOR AWHILE(YEARS😪)TO TRY AXIS.YOU HOWEVER HAVE BROUGHT ATTN.TO A SEEMINGLY BETTER RESULT.YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT A KICKASS PERCUSSIONIST YOU ARE BUT I'LL TELL YA AGAIN.YOU'RE A TRUE PLEASURE TO LISTEN TO!....TRULY INSPIRING.I'M 52 &I STILL PRACTICE TO METAL...KEEPS ME YOUNG!KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MAN!OOPS...P.S.HOW MUCH WAS THE PEDAL?$$
Dirk Verbeuren, Gene Hoglan, Frost, Hannes Grossman all play or played 16th notes at 240bpm+ for long passages with chain drives. I'm sure there are many more.
@@TheWitchOvAgnesi early days had nothing close to 16ths at 240+BPM. You really dont have a clue.
@@TheWitchOvAgnesi yeah if you consider Emperor, Dark Funeral Spawn of Possession and Gorgasm scene kid bands. Youre really embarrassing yourself here.
If they could do that consistently at that tempo with chain drives they could go probably around 260 if they switched to direct drive
Hey Wyatt I have these in the black widow edition. I have found for myself that putting the chain conversion on these pedals was the ticket for me. All direct drive pedals have always felt more like a piece of springy exercise equipment to me. I would love to see you try the chains on these and see how you thought they compared to the direct drive. I have found no loss in speed with the chains on the Tricks in fact I find I can hold faster speeds longer with the chains. I think its all the top notch ingredients of these pedals (compression spring,ergonomics,and build quality) that make faster speeds maybe more achievable for some,and not just the direct drive link. When you are able I would love to see you put the chains on the tricks and do a direct comparison again against the speed cobras. If your willing to do so when you get time let me know I will buy the chains and send them to you or donate to your channel whatever works better for you. Thanks for the videos.
I am getting the Pro V1 and slapping the Trick Drums P1VCK Pro 1-V Chain Retrofit Chain Conversion Kit on em first thing.👍
That would defeat the purpose. If going the chain route, might as well go with a less expensive pedal such as Tama iron cobra
Iron cobras don’t have the same features and build quality as a trick pedal The compression spring on a trick gives it a totally different feel even with chain.
Wyatt put 3,4 inch plywood under your kit cover with carpet then use then use 1 inch wood screws in front and around the pedals leaving a little bit exposed to secure in place works very well! Keep rocking love you videos
Hey brother, just want to tell you, i really enjoy your vids. You do an amazing job with your explanations and opinions. I like how detailed yet simplistic you make everything. Thank you for all the content. Look forward to seeing your new project videos.
hey Wyatt funny story: two years ago I was looking for a new pedal and I saw your video and you showed the logo of czarcie kopyto in your video. Now I own czarcie kopyto pedals. Great video and thank you for showing me this brand without that I would never even found out about this fantastic company.
is the song the saw is the law by whitechapel???
thats what i'm guessing too
It is, yeah! Can tell by the drums straight away! 😃🤘🏼
@@alfieshaw2931 Ikr i heard it and i was like hmmmm
Yup, Jared Dines just posted the video.
It is. Not just because of the video being posted, but the drumming. It's so.. Ben Harclerode.
This is incredible I'm so happy you're getting so much better and faster! SO worth the 2 month wait! Love you!
So glad you mention Adam, simply love this dude!
Hey Wyatt. I think I said this in your previous video but I want to elaborate again. I own both Tricks and Czarcie Kopyto (pronounced Chachi Cohpito) and I can say that Czarcies are 1000 times better. They are super responsive (more so than tricks) and I've always found that the compression spring was a lot harder to control in comparison to the standard springs. You can also change the average constant tension with a virtically sliding locking mechanism just below the spring. I would seriously recommend getting a pair even though it's pretty expensive and hard to get. They will blow your mind.
Can we take a second to appreciate Mike Dorfman? That man has changed the game.
Trick’s made some innovations that should and imo probably will become industry standards. I’m finally about to have one of their low mass double pedals myself.
My bigfoot developed a little squeak. Emailed the company, got a response in hours from the CEO who recommended getting a bit of Lucas Red 'n Tacky. Two minutes to apply a light coat to the rolling bits inside and it's good again. So be prepared, it can happen, but it's a simple fix. The rubbers that sit on the bass drum hoop like to get eaten by the hoop, that kind of sucks. I'm looking at some rubber putty type stuff to rebuild them. Nice review Wyatt!
I have speed cobras and absolutely hate how light they are and have even replaced the stock springs with Tama's heavier Dyna Sync springs. I have considered buying Bigfoot pedals for a while now. Since you have experienced both pedals, do you believe I can achieve a heavier feel with these pedals to cater to my technique and to give me better balance so that it is easier on my lower back?
Yes. You can adjust these to suit any technique. I use to have the speed cobras, and they are a toy compared to the pro 1v bigfoots. They are absolutely the best pedals in the world. Worth every penny, eventho its expensive af.
Okay thank you for the response
I had the privilege to spend a few days at their shop in Illinois, where they build, design & create these great pedals & so much more. I am an FSE who traveled the world, installing custom laser marking systems and also a musician. I have to say... these are some of the coolest people you could ever meet! Every person there was a musician, mostly drummers of course. Super intelligent, yet down to earth. Met and spoke with Mike (founder and owner) many times. Great guy. He had a loft above the production floor which was their band's rehearsal area, and down on the work floor was the most badass drum kit I've ever seen in person. I think it was for quality testing of the builds, but it might have been just for inspiration and/or stress relief during a work day. Great place... best drum gear on the market!
Badass drummer... every song he plays kills it....... Mad freaking Skills
Thank you so much for this review. You have just made me feel even more confident about my decision to buy this pedal. Also, I decided to add the Pro1-V hi-hat stand. I'm looking forward to their arrival and getting busy on them! Btw, I've enjoyed your drumming tutorials and reaction videos during the pandemic lockdown. I appreciate it.
I've played with the same pair of Pearl Eliminators I received on my 15th birthday... 19 years ago. They're starting to fall apart and I'm in the market for a new pair. I'm really intrigued by the design of these pedals. I LOVE the ease of adjustments to spring tension. Just afraid of the price tag because my pedals would then be more valuable than the entire kit lol.
Yamaha FP9 is another great direct drive model ppl can get less than trick price it's $699 or less online. I payed like $700 OR LESS. sorry just thought I'd tell ppl. Great pedal .
Yamaha fp9 is chain or available in direct drive too.
Great review, pedal looks awesome!
I play a Yamaha dfp9 double with a strap drive.
I saw at least 3 big youtube reviewers say the same exact thing - that it was just as responsive as any pedal they've tried.
So I had to get one- best equipment decision I ever made! So fast and effortless!
Bro you are so bad ass man iv been waiting on a real drummer to really break it down thank you
Hey, just dropped by to comment and sub, 4 months ago I was replacing my Iron Cobras, and this review convinced me to buy the Bigfoot low mass double with no previous experience on them. Thanks so much!
Edit... I did not lose any power in the low mass version. Also, the "velcro" they included with my set were more like plastic spikes that don't let them move.... like even when I wanna pull them off my rug haha.
Get a crash pad rug to keep the bass drum in place. Cheap, portable rug with a bass drum stop built in.... you and your throne are now the weight that keeps the bass from sliding away!
this came in my suggestions and I forgot I was waiting for the update! great video
Man that tatt looks awesome man. I’m glad you did it right not crappy like A LOT of people I’ve seen.
Would you do any technique videos? I was never taught a proper double kick/speed technique and it's really frustrating to not be consistent.
I agree with you on the entire review, I love mine you got it all spot on. I velcro mine all over the bottom and use a roland drum mat and they stick like shit to a blanket! Yeah I really need a case too! I think a company call pelican ( not sure if that's correct) do loads of hard cases all all shapes and sizes, foam inserts etc. So glad you gave them a good review. They're just a great piece of design meets functionality. 👊
you could also try acd unlimited darwin pedals..i think they are great aswell and are in the same class if not they are higher
I'd say Trick, Czarcie Kopyto, and ACD are all in the same class.
Finally. I've waiting for this review video for sometime💯
This review is absolute GOLD
All great info. Ordering now.
Nice review. I've got Axis A longboards and kinda stumbled upon the technique you were talking about. I can go from 180-220 easily but anything between 130-180 is super sloppy. Does anyone have any advice for how I could play these speeds? Basically up to 120-130 i just stomp away, from 180 upwards im just flicking my feet from my ankles and my legs are barely moving but i cant get anything locked down from 130-180. Thanks in advance :)
Check out Marthyn Jovanovic's channel, he talks about this specific issue in several of his videos
Killer video man, loved the breakdown and reality of playing double bass when trying a new pedal. All of this sounded all to real!
Would like to hear your thoughts on the Trick Pedal.
I bought the Speed Cobra 910 in 2017. I've been looking at moving to direct drive. Through out this video I was convinced this was the pedal for me. Then you talked about how much they move. Nope. Why the hell would they not include spurs like the 910? The search continues...
ACD makes a direct drive conversion
The next time I can hold out from buying a couple grams of snow I’ll purchase this pedal. 10 years from now I’ll comment on this and I’ll say still in the struggle.
Did you consider ACD Darwin’s? I got my eyes on those.
I’m very interested in those
Yoooo this video came out so fucking great, the perfect combination of information, a review, and editing.
CONGRATULATIONS ON THE 100K!!!!! Solid content man, its been pretty cool to watch u blow up over the last year or so.
5 years later this pedal is still consistently on back order. Finally getting mine tomorrow. I talked to the ceo of the company and he says it’s hard to keep employees in Chicago and the good employees he has get poached by other companies as machining these takes smart people
Holy shit man I didn’t realize u were such a double bass beast! That was some brutal speed😎 it’s sick to see u using vratim drum shoes. I’m thinking about getting them
Hi Wyatt,do you have any follow up on this? Really looking for that. Great video!!!
Thanks!
Thank you ! :)
My second comment 2 years later, love my Tricks man, have them split now, 2 BDs. I ran rudiments constantly with these things and the only issue was I snapped the spring tension bar inside the tower. Trick has upgraded this part and sent me 2 for free. Just recently started working on speed, spent most of the last 2 years on coordination, right now I struggle a little with 16ths say at 130 like the sections in LOG-Redneck, so I'm pushing the left more now, what's weird is I can run triplets easier than the 16ths? You are right about the case I mean, come on Trick, also I would like to see some type of measurable indicator on the spring adjusters. Heel/toe though I crank with these things (your video dude), almost got a buzz roll out at the end of the boards with constant pressure. I'm an old F&%$ though and need a new left knee, so I get those shots, not cortisone the other ones.
I live for your videos 😂 they inspire me to better myself and be a all around badass 😂
Czarcie Kopyto brother! Difference is that they are much better quality, construction,settings are insane there is a reason to metal drummers mostly use them. And yes I live in the states and yes there is a way to get them but I will not post it. But to give trick some props Kevin Paradis uses them and he is a monster at 300bpm
Powerserg 5000 could you dm me on Instagram or give me your IG or some way to contact you I’m ready to buy some czarcies but I need to find a way to get them in the US
Powerserg 5000 my Instagram is @Kane__michael if you’d like to send me a message I would really really appreciate it
@@Kane34572 sorry just saw message IG powerserg.50000
This pedal rocks got an open box Black Widow from Sweetwater, having trouble fitting my foot under the tower for toe heel, appreciate your videos Wyatt!
What angle are your beaters at?
Awesome review! @Wyatt, you mentioned that at 235 Tricks were easier than SC's. Is there any difference at 160? 99% of what I play is 200 bpm or less, with majority around 160. When you're at that speed, does it matter still? If you get on the tricks for a 160 song with extended db rolls, do you find it easier/better/maybe even not as good, than the SC's at those speeds? THANKS!!!!
Hello friend. Which double pedal bass would you recommend for purchase between Tama speed cobra 310 or pearl p932?
Just picked up a set of these! Waited 14 months for them to come in and just picked them up yesterday…. What are the settings you use? Been checking out different setups but would be cool to know how you have them set up
I would hope that after all these years they got better. Danny from Oceano recommended me these back when they put their first album out but I never got them lol.
Have you tried playing these barefoot? Does the etched logo chew up for your feet?
let you know, i was going to get axis lazers cause the smooth board like my axis roddys, but axis is backorderd sevral months, the widows appear to have a smooth board but theyer more expenzive and theyer already pricey as hell, ill let you know if its bearable or extra parts teritory, my oldskool power cobras will tear your shit up.
the ingraving is an optical illusion its no rougher than the face its just the grain is headed in another direction its barely detectable with your fingers.
I couldn't find this answer anywhere online. I'm interested in the Trick pro 1v however I play left handed. sweetwater says no such pedal exists. is there a lefty conversion kit or a possible way to convert the standard double pedal? I would hate to have to buy a separate set of Axis pedals to accommodate the left handed setup. thanks in advance.
Ive experienced the situation of the slave pedal & the bass drum moving forward because while playing so i fix it by tying up the slave pedal into the throne & i also tied the bass drum into the throne..&i designed the tie to be comfortable&fast 4 me to set-up..& it works😁
.. Cause i dont have the budget to buy those pedals that u have..
I have been using the Tama DynaSync direct drive pedal and really like it. I used to have the Trick pedal but could not get used to the feel of that compression spring.
Do you think the tama sync has a better feel than the trick? The issue I have is mid tempo double bass work. It doesn’t feel very natural to me.
Totally agree. Compression springs feel so unnatural. "Jack in the box" feel
How are the pedals individually? Can you easily play fast doubles? I play single pedal most of the time but like the option of having a double bass pedal.
Finally a good review on Trick Big Foot! Thank you, man! Can't wait to try out these pedals.
So outta curiosity, can you show your settings? I’ve had them for a couple years now and just curious to see other drummers settings, Cheers 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Hi Wayatt need Your help, I don't now what to pick trick dominator drum pedals or pearl deamon drives?
So I have an Edrum kit with a mesh bass drum. Im assuming those beater heads wouldn't be suitable for that? Or would they work for a mesh head?
I was blown away how different of a feel it brings. It is so much more power I had to stop because my butt muscles hurt.
I could easily puncture my bass drum head. If I put this on a max hit setting
Great review
Why did you go back to the iron cobra?
All of these direct drive pedals have the speed and power, it is still based on technique and your approach. I have pearl demon drive double and it is perfect. It is all opinion.
Right on! You still need to practice. To each his own when it comes to gear and technique.
I’m getting them soon
Do the spring tensions have calibration marks to equalize main & slave?
I played the Pro-1V for a few years (including the laser triggers they make for them). I kept having problems in the long run (snapping heads off of bolts, wearing down flat spots where the bearing rolls on the plate in front of the spring, stripping out the inside of the hub where the driveshaft connects, laser trigger cables dying mid tour). I switched to Czarcie Kopyto in May and I'm never getting another pair of pedals again. Perfect pedals. I can make them feel like literally any pedal I want and they're built like TANKS. If you can get your hands on them, do it.
- Mike Caputo (live drums, Rings of Saturn)
@@TheWitchOvAgnesi before Trick the list of pedals I owned was fairly short (Axis A Longboards, a very cheap pair of Pearl pedals, and Tama Iron Cobra 900's). That being said. I'm MORE THAN happy with the Czarcie Kopyto's that I have now. They're honestly perfect
@@TheWitchOvAgnesi I will say though, I can do basically everything I can do now on the Trick pedals, or even the Pearl Redlines (yes the chain pedals, I actually like them a lot). But the Czarcies just make everything require less effort. Trick is runner up though
Do you say they are better or faster than dyna sync TAMA??
A dude nice vid,
I'm in Oz , I had a look and a store can get the Bigfoot for $2890 or something like that..... the double chain is about $2000 I think.
Anyway I think that's too much for someone on a budget .
I've seen some double direct drives that are cheaper like
Pearl , DW ,Tama & also Gibraltar has a good looking 1 for about $500 it's direct too.
I want to have a decent speed.
Do you think any direct drive pedal is better than a chain drive ?
If so I could get a cheaper direct drive , if they are better than chains driven no ?
Is a cheap direct drive better than an expensive chain is the question ??
Thanks Man.
Saul
An awesome drummer who provided a good no-bullshit assessment and not having a case for them is their only bullshit negative. Thanks for the review!
Finally the video!!!!! AND congrats! A 100k subs. Im here since 14k. Big fan here Wyatt
Still rocking my Demon Drives. I've never played on a Trick or an Axis, but considering I can do 270+ on my DDs I've never felt compelled to spend hundreds extra on another pedal, but God damn the Trick pedals just look so fucking good. I wish I could try them out, because if they were even .1% better I would probably have to get them, lol. Thanks for the video man
Are those czarcie kopyto pedals more expensive then the trick drums?
Hey Wyatt, I don’t know if I will get a personal response to this, but I figured maybe other Trick users in the chat may be able to help me if not.. I switched from a DW 7000, to the black widow edition of these pedals and the only thing that I have noticed is the loss of power. I have tried so many different settings, but I would love to know what you, or other people using these pedals are setting them at? I know that it will be different for everybody, but maybe this will at least give me a basis to work around. Thanks in advance!
Damn..I was about to get the Axis Longboard A21 with microtune, but idk now!? I'm definitely about to hit the Trick site up! Great review!
Daniel Williams the ex drummer from devil wears prada plays with Trick pedals and his drumming is very techy. Always been a big fan of these pedals.
Where did you pick up the White Pedal from? Or do you have to special order?
Thanks for this video. I've been on the fence about certain pedals and this is one of them. Very informative. Thank you!
Hey Wyatt, I seen you were struggling a bit with the Velcro on those pedals. You should try the Extreme Outdoor Velcro, made for all weather, rough surfaces. Available online or at Home Depot. Its item # 91373. Its big hooks are so strong you probably won't need any weights to keep your kick in place. With these, your pedal alone will be the anchor. Good Luck, !
Ladelvideovault thanks for this I’ll be checking this out for sure!!!
Hey man GREAT video, exactly what i was looking for considering buying them - thank you! I have one question, since you showed the spring tension knob/wheel: Is there also some sort of markers or numbers or anything to see where youre spring tension is at? Because I couldnt see any in the video? Like say tension is on 1,2,3,4,5 and so on?
Wyatt good video and I purchased the trick black widow pedals and still configuring the pedal since june 2019. Any suggestions for quick response? I tried all the board heights, beater height n the spring tension. Thx man good luck.
I don’t know if I should make the leap from my single chain pedals to dw9000s or direct drives.
I feel like the heel toe sing stroke (technique I am currently working on) just doesn't work as well on a trick... It seems like it works better for ankle technique... Is it just me? It's been a couple weeks, maybe I just need longer to adjust? IDK Any thoughts on this?
Wyatt can you react to a rings of saturn drum playthrough like parallel shift or inadequite
Can we just turned into double pedel for left handers???
I'm currently using pearl demonator P-932 chain double pedal (not the demon drives) which cost around 200$ new. So it's a chain pedal, but i'm really looking for a direct drive pedal, i'm not sure if i'll get the pearl demon drive, or trick pedals, or something else that's around 500 to 1000$.
What's up Wyatt...love your videos...my question is not drum related...can you show your tattoos?
You hit every point that matters to me. I wish every review was as good as this.
Dude I have made the switch to Trick Pedals as well! Super happy and don’t see myself going back to chain pedals! 🤘🏻
yo i’m really late, but are these heavy feeling like the dw pedals are? that’s my problem with those and i’m looking to switch
Hello, I wonder if you can recommend a light practice pedal for traveling? Thanks!
just bought the dominator version and i cant wait for them to come! this is going to be sick man.
When are you going to try the Tama dynasync?
Thank you for your review ..just one question are they longboards like the axis longboards.
Yeah those ones are!
Which is the difference between axis and trick pedals?
How much you buy that.? Thanks for the response.
Trick pedals is another level of machining and also an ode to the old and awesome King Speed with the revolutionary spring system
If the velcro under the pedal isn't holding secure it's probably because the carpet under the pedal is not loop pile. Velcro, as we all know, works by hook and loop. The velcro on the pedal is the hook half and it needs a loop to snag on. I figured this out when my 1st gen Axis pedals skidded around on carpet that was not loop pile. So I went to a carpet store and got a cheap remnant of loop pile carpet to use for my drum rug. The velcro grabs the loop pile so strongly that I almost need to pry it loose when I tear down. I do not need to add more velcro to the pedal, the amount of velcro the pedal came with is more than enough to hold securely if the pedal is placed on a loop pile carpet. I don't know why the drum industry doesn't just make a drum rug from the loop half material of velcro and be done with it.
I can’t find these pedals anywhere in Canada lol. Looking at their dominator doubles. 2 year wait if ordered today. The polish pedals can be hand made and delivered in 1 to 2 months. 😢
What are the different between that pedal and the Dw 9000,thank you for explaining
The 9000s are way too heavy. And long boards over short boards. The 9000s are good pedal tho. But the bigfoots are the absolute best in the world.
Compression springs... So many differences.
Just ordered these bad boys! Your video helped so much. Super excited for these! Merry Christmas 🤘🤘