Yeah but that dev was just wrong though. The reason the player defeats him is because his suit is what keeps him alive. He falls apart after it takes too much damage.
funny because Adam has no weapon to kill Frank, and so you know even Adam can't use sandy for long, he frys your brain (brain dmg), once Adam slows down he'll be torn to pieces like a tin can
“You’ve gotten a lot farther then you should have” “Who the fuck are you?” “Me? Frank Horrigan that’s who, United States secret service, and you aren’t going anywhere from here” “Is that a joke? Don’t make me laugh!”
Bad take imo. Smasher is only faster than Horrigan in bursts, and he's nowhere near the durability or strength of Frank. Smasher could only evade Frank for so long before Frank just ripped him to pieces.
Nah Smasher could literally just run circles around him launching fucking rockets, he'd be a puddle before he was able to aim or get within melee distance
Adam has to contend with Militech with thier professional cyborg armies, airforce, space born assets and navy. A deathclaw don't compare to an attack helicopter or a hover tank. Ask yourself, who would win, Militech or the Enclave? Then you will get answer of who wins between Frank and Adam.
Yeah but all the protagonists are using VATS to help them with that and we have never shot bullets out of the air just missiles and grenades. Frank doesn’t seem to have access to that.
@@officialwyattthesans12345 well kinda too bad Adam smasher has like two other mus that are more popular I think which is sundowner and I forgot the other dude damn
@@officialwyattthesans12345 oh I guess moonson I think is also another that thrown in there but I think the blood guy from JoJo part five is his preferred mu I never heard frank vs Adam smasher I heard Adam smasher vs Adam from hazbin hotel or rwby before that match up I heard frank vs a elite from halo or heavy from TF2 Heck I even heard frank vs nemesis like once
@@officialwyattthesans12345 but honestly I don't see a cyberpunk char happening since they have not even done GTA yet Cough GTA protagonist battle royale cough
As much as i love smasher i dont think he would win. Ive seen warhammer fans say frank would absolutely rip apart a space marine. Also forgot franks big fuck off plasma blade that he has on his wrist, dude may not be the fastest in game but im pretty sure lore wise frank is A LOT faster and has better reaction timing. I mean the dude is a super mutant whos been augmented with cybernetics. Also took the most powerful protagonist in fallout to beat him and even then you still need help from enclave soldiers and turrets...which frank still dont die he just kills himself by nuking the oil rig 😐
@@cynicalmemester1694 I’d say that Adam has a larger arsenal not a stronger one, Frank’s plasma cannon should be more destructive than anything Adam’s got but every thing else is correct. As for speed Adam at base should be moving at around 50mph while Frank should be moving at around 40mph but when the Sandevistan is activated it (according to what I could find) it practically makes you a bullet timer while chems from Fallout like Jet, Turbo and the GRX Implant only slow’s your perception of time by 35 percent while increasing movement and reaction times by the same percentage so yeah Frank would probably get blitzed but he might be able to get a few hits in.
You got to give credit where credit is due, in edgerunners Adam smasher took down David when he had an anti grav cyber rig that was able to subdue an army.
Not enough tech laying around for him to be powerful tho, RE universe is our modern time but DeadSpace timeline humans been colonizing different planets
@@italkalot8876 Ethan can create a working flamethrower in a shithole of a house, moreover, Isaac is a future human, it's safe to assume he has far wider knowledge than a modern time engineer. He's just smart and creative.
Hard disagree on the speed disadvantage giving smasher the win. The anime's visuals make everyone conflate it as some actual faster-than-light speed boost, like anyone who uses it is as fast as the Flash. Adam Smasher is clearly faster than Frank but Frank's physical might and durability win out against however long Smasher would be able to run around him before Horrigan would eventually get his hands on him.
@@XD-sc4ix FEV still increases his physical capabilities, by making him stronger and faster than a regular human and the Enclave experimentation on him has put him far beyond that of other super mutants
Honestly i give it to Frank. I think Adam is waaaaaay faster. And frank not being able to match his speed is one thing (although he's most likely the single fastest humanoid in the wasteland), but the idea that even after his cybernetics, chemicals constantly being pumped into him, and genetic advancement he couldn't keep up is another. He'd be able to shoot horrigan a LOT... but horrigan went up against an enclave squad, numerous turrets, the chosen one, and his followers. He aint exactly paper thin. Meanwhile it really would take a single good shot from horrigans weird little blaster thing to win. I think Frank gets the single most annoying fight of his entire life... but he ultimately wins.
@@spiffygonzales5160 You pump a lethal dose of Jet or, god forbid, a GRX implant into Frank and suddenly that Speed Blitz trumpcard turns into a mere 10-20% advantage.
Its a STR build vs. DEX build fight. They're both absolute tanks, but Horrigan's weaponry is way more powerful and his genetics and chems probably make him a bit tougher.. Smasher is much faster and probably more accurate (depending on how you rate military-grade cyberware, smart weapons, the Sandevistan, etc. vs. Fallout chems like Jet..) so tbh this might be a tougher call than you're making it. Ima be honest, Smasher survived the arasaka tower nuke, and the fallout devs said Horrigan would have survived the oil rig nuke too. If each of these guys can tank a nuclear bomb point blank, they're probably going to have a good scrap no matter what.
What has Frank fought? A deathclaw, bunch of raiders? Adam has fought fully mechanized armies with working logisitics, air force and navies. Attack helicopters, IFV, tanks and hypersonic missiles. Deathclaws don't even compare.
@@Tonius126he didn’t “fight” a deathclaw or a bunch of raiders, he massacred them with no effort, bad analysis HIMSELF said that Frank could end a space marine, now who’s winning that, The space marine or Adam? The space marine would eat smasher for breakfast, Adam wouldn’t even be a midnight snack to Frank.
@@McRibless again a deathclaw doesn't even come close to a outdated basilisk. It just means that Adam smasher > Space marines. Space marines are known to be one shotted by Tau grunts and one got killed by pitchfork weilding peasants and one got rip in half by a dumb ogryn. Space marines are slow too.
I mean, yes, but the Sandevistan does likely have neurological side effects, not to mention the physical side effects (albeit most of those probably don’t matter for someone like smasher). The biggest of which might be brain hemorrhaging. But on the flip side of things, Jet and Psycho in the Fallout universe probably have similar if not worse side effects, and because we don’t have a full view of the Supermutant anatomy, we’re pulling at straws here on the effectiveness of drugs like that in something the size of Frank fucking Horrigan
Eh, Hawkeye is peak human with bows. But Legolas is an elf. He is physically superior in every way. Especially if the fight devolved into hand to hand Legolas would win no diff.
@@joshuaashton1929 I mean if you use high end stuff for comic chars even quote on quote human or street tier chars they turn from building to city level to higher
idk if this would be accurate lore-wise, but if this fight was animated i want a sequence where Adam is SMASHING thru Enclave troops via Sandevistan until time grinds to a halt when Frank Horrigan locks onto him with VATS... ONLY THEN for Adam to PHYSICALLY TEAR THE GREEN CRIT HIGHLIGHT OFF!!
At which point Frank proceeds to *INSTANT TRANSMISSION* towards him and backhand the walking scrapheap across the room. *Because Frank doesn’t play around.*
Youre severely underrating Franks speed, and also left out the part that hes extremely adaptable, his reaction speed is far beyond any humans, hes very fast, hes smart, he has insane battle iq, and everything in the fallout universe dies to him like nothing, not to mention Adam uses his sandevistan which is his only real advantage, very sparingly
I doubt any of that makes a difference in the end. Difference in setting between the two world makes it really one sided where Fall Out is retro-futurism, while Cyberpunk is just futurism. Conclave cannot build anything Arasaka couldn't, but half the stuff Arasaka does would be magic for Conclave. They are two entirely different settings, and comparing the two doesn't really work. Whatever advantage anyone in the FO universe has, there's 0 reason Arasaka couldn't replicate and improve upon it. Not being a parody of the 1950s idea of the future really helps a lot here where they haven't even invented flat screen TVs yet. Like digitalizing human minds by the neuron. While FO's equivalent is floating brains in a tank. Like Benny said: the game was rigged from the start.
@@MidWitPride I'm not the biggest lore buff on cyberpunk, but from what I understand playing the game watching the anime, and a couple vids on Adam smashers lore, cyberpunks only big advancement over fallout is cybernetics. Plasma, nuclear, genetics, drugs, are all way more advanced in fallout. Frank is a 12+ foot tall monster supersoldier in a nigh indestructible power armor. He's certainly not paper thin. Franks also pumped full of stimulants that would bump his reactions, maybe not to sandevistan level but sooner or later Adam has to turn it off. Adams weaponry just doesn't compare to plasma, Frank would shrug off bullets until he gets a shot off which would just melt Adam.
@@logansinclair7488 Cyberpunk universe has antigravity weapons, simulated human consciousnesses uploaded into computers etc. While Fallout universe has floating brains in a tank as the bleeding edge of mind preservation. If they can map and digitally recreate the neurons and their electric charges, manipulate the mass of objects using fields etc, then they are basically gods at that point and something as mundane as splicing genes in any way they could theoretically think of would be completely trivial. If they can do that then using the same voodoo magic science they used to make that gravity manipulator, then they for sure can create all kinds of near magical energy fields. Compared to that shooting very hot plasma at things isn't that impressive anymore. Difference here is that Cyberpunk doesn't really have that many examples of things where some bleeding edge technology is just objectively worse version of what the Fallout universe has. Some things like drugs and nuclear technologies just weren't explored that deeply in the show or the game, so they are unknowns.
@@Peter_Turbo4 If we assume that gameplay=lore, then Cyberpunk 2077 has it in the bag, considering that in the launch version of the game Adam Smasher could phase through objects and become unkillable.
This is basically Sanguinius vs Horus. Adam is fast and hits hard. But power armor, especially what Frank has, is on an entirely different level. Couple that with combat chems and steroids that turned him into the first behemoth and you have a giant mutant with pain nullifying combat enhancing drugs in a grafted fusion powered super suit with weapons that can liquify atoms into super heated plasma and a bladed gauntlet that can cut through advanced enclave power armor in a single hit and smite a deathclaw matriarch/alpha in one hit. While I LOVE cyberpunk (grew up with the table top game) and absolutely loved Adam in the game/show, he only has his speed. Speed which is limited. Much like Sanguinius, he can turn a 2 dimensional fight into 3 dimensions. But what is his dimensions compared to the magnitude of Horus? And like Sanguinius, he will tired. He will exhaust all his weapons. He will become slower. He will realize he is not enough. He will fear. Then he will anger. And in a moment, he will not be fast enough. He will run out of uses of his Sandevistan, his rockets, his bullets, and his options. Then? The sickening crack of his cybernetics being opened like a can. The searing three rounds of plasma melting mechanics and flesh alike. Because in Adams world, he has never had to face fusion weapons powered by nuclear reactors in mechs powered by enough energy to detonate a small nuclear explosion. Adam would expend everything he had. And once he did, Frank would unleash old world hell upon Adam.
The whole point of people like David and Smasher is that they’re special. Except Smasher is far more “special” then David in a sense, since he doesn’t have any drawbacks to his cybernetics, and hasn’t mentally degraded. He’s psychotic, but also stable. He can use Sandy as long as he needs. The Horus vs Sangy analogy doesn’t work, since Horus could actually perceive and somewhat react to his faster opponent. Even if Frank was stronger and tougher than Smasher (Which he really isn’t, considering what the Cyberskeleton could do), he’s up against an opponent that would see his attacks as frozen. The speed gap is MASSIVE.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 Yea, Frank would have a slight striking advantage and endurance plus weaponry (maybe overall battle smarts but they are both morons that rully rely on just out classing their victims to win). Adams speed just wins him the battle. Maybe with the statement from the fallout 2 dev that he could of survived the oilrig blowing up if the player didn't break his suit causing him to die Frank could force a stalemate due to the durability advantage but even then this statement is very much debated on whether or not its actually canon or not. without the sande this fight favors frank more but with it smasher is simply just too fast.
Yeah I just can’t see how Frank would beat smasher imo. Adam smasher can keep up with Sandevistan David who during a scene in highway chase with arasaka could view bullets completely frozen in air, based from the calcs I’ve seen on vsbw (it’s from VSBW, I know it’s a decent-mid place to scale characters so take it with a grain of salt, but still, also credits to the people who made these calcs) The cyberpunk verse consistently hops around Hypersonic to Massively hypersonic speed with Relativistic at best. Adam smasher also defeated Cyborg David who with his anti-gravity field generators could create massive crater the size of 2-3 trucks, and in the final battle he even got hit with the gravity field generator but instead of getting crushed into a tin can he resisted it like nothing and even *moved* in it, The Sandevistan also Amps his attacks by 20% based on its in-game description.
@@XD-sc4ixThat isn’t what Bad Analysis said in his Frank vs Astarties video, he said that the Marines out-stat Frank in speed and battle iq but Frank would win more often than not. Even in this video he agrees that Adam Smasher would just 1 shot him in Melee and could just speed blitz him.
its a lot closer of a fight than youd think. Jet is a comparable effect to market grade sandevistans(dilating time by about half of our perceived speed) and there are more potent versions of it that are being pumped into Frank's bloodstream. Smasher is still assuredly faster but the gap isn't a canyon like you portray. All it would take is a couple hits from Frank's plasma weaponry to ruin Smasher's gear on impact which will then need to be repaired, whereas Frank has a minor healing factor where his power armor just amps his already superhuman feats. I'd say it's a clean 50/50, if Frank lands plasma rounds it's an uphill battle for Smasher, if Smasher manages to damage Frank's chem pumps or Power Armor servos then Frank is finished.
@@markofthehack9814the creators of fallout 2 said if frank was alive when the nuke went off at the oil rig he would have survived, adam NEEDED fixed up after being in the radius, frank is also maxed out in S.P.E.C.I.A.L., very few characters in fallout have that
@MartianWasp Can you show that statement? Also, Adam's current state would still outscale Frank since Adam has Large Town level scaling. And having 10 in Special Stats is only useful inverse, not crossverse
@markofthehack9814 Adam got killed by V, one person. Frank required an endgame Chosen One, several turrets, and an entire Enclave squad to do him in. Adam is faster, definitely, but Frank only needs to get his hands on him once. Not to mention that his plasma gun, like any plasma gun in Fallout, can turn Adam into a puddle of goo, cybernetics or not, since we've seen the same happen to robots in future games. Sure, Frank might not be the brightest person, but he's still an elite soldier that was part of the secret service before he was fired and moved to Mariposa. He's an expert in combat, and not as dumb as some people think. Simply put, Adam has speed, but Frank dominates everywhere else.
@DC-it2ng Saying "just one person" is insane. You realize that V was extremely powerful, right? Not to mention, Adam easily took on David, who was able to defeat an army of Militech tanks. Plus, Adam is so much stronger than Frank is. He literally resisted David's gravity crush. The same crush that created a massive crater. He is also relative to V, who can crush diamond plated glass to pure dust.
Frank can use combat stims like jet to close the gap even if not entirely and his ai could compensate. Frank isnt an idiot he isnt amart but he is far from being incapable of adapating to the threat. Not to mention in melee he has a giant plasma sword I think it is on his arm. And remeber Smasher uses the sandevistan sparingly. Hebisnt constantly using it. He cant dodge every shot and Frank is fast and durable enough to take just about anything smasher could possibly throw at him with zero effect. Itbonly takes one hit to put Smasher down or at least very heavily damage him while it would take a lot to bring horrigan down.
I can find anything about an AI being in his armor maybe your confusing that with his cybernetic’s and bionic eye? To my knowledge the only instance of an AI being used in armor in Fallout is the stealth suit in Big Mountain and the Medical Power Armor in Fallout 3. Also I don’t think his wrist mounted knife is a plasma weapon because we’ve only got like 2 melee based plasma weapons in the series and those are from Fallout Brotherhood of Steel and 76, everything else is EMP/electrical, fire and radiation based. Even then his knife isn’t glowing or anything it looks completely normal and that makes sense the Enclave already knows that he’s overkill enough so why waste rare materials on something that Frank doesn’t even need.
@@Peter_Turbo4 I can’t find any references to an AI being in his armour online, is this from the Fallout Bible or a quote from a developer similar to how a dev said that Horrigan would have survived the nuke on the oil rig?
I recently started playing warframe again, one of my first thoughts in my first mission was "man these things are godlike, why would ANYONE fight this thing?:
thats like saying who would win a nuke or tim from down the street volt is stupidly fast and can stun smasher with his electric thingy the only way as far as i k now to stop a frame is use a slow down lazer or what nidus did by lowtiergodding himself
I really hate when people will take two incomparable things and compare them just to get people riled up. I hope people like this guy gets that when they posts this stuff about two incomparable things that cause tension between two communities if this doesn’t stop I’m going to attempt to make a video about other videos like this one and tell people why videos like this should be avoided because this video really should have never been made in the first place
Jet does exist in the fallout universe, so I wouldn't be surprised if frank uses it. I don't think it would match the speed of a sandevistan, but I think it'd close the gap enough to keep him in the fight, at least to the point that he can keep track of smasher's movements
Tabletop Adam Smasher is literally basically unbeatable and is used by GMs when they want a boogyman or to end a game lol. He’s meant to the end of the road we’re as Frank is meant to be an obstacle. They are not the same lol
Frank was originally going to be unbeatable, but the devs decided that you should be able to win the game and even then the main character is a god, who has turrets and a whole kill squad and Frank tries to kill everyone with a nuke (which devs said he may have survived)He isn’t an obstacle, he is the end.
@@gameuniverse5973I don’t know about that one chief. Tyrants are horrendously durable, to the point that it takes Thermobaric weaponry to even scratch them. And then they’ll just enter their Supertyrant form.
Cope and seethe. Cyberpunk have Arasaka, Militech, NUSA while Fallout only have a teeny tiny Enclave. A deathclaw doesn't compare to an hover tank or a attack helicopter that Adam has to contend with weekly.
@@Lime-green-death-beam the version of chainsaw man that fought reze gets cooked I think he does not scale too almost nothing to high in the csm verse he like at best city block he definitely does not scale to the massively nerfed gun devil who has a town to city calc If it was black chainsaw man that form briefly used,current chainsaw man,or true form chainsaw man aka pochita Godzilla minus gets cooked
Even with speed Frank would win as long as he managed to land a hit with the plasma cannon. Adam is more machine than man so I imagine that the radiation generated by a bolt of plasma would be enough to interfere with his cybernetics. In that case Adams gizmos and implants wouldn't mean d*ck. Especially when Frank gets his hands on him and pulls him apart like a kid ripping the wings off of a fly.
How about the 40K Primarch’s vs Starscourge Radahn (from a lore perspective) from Elden Ring to see how he stacks up against them all? That would actually be a pretty thematic and a pretty fair fight, he could possibly overpower weaker Primarch’s like Lorgar and maybe Guilliman but he would probably get destroyed by Dorn, Magnus, Leman Russ and Vulcan.
Radahn claps my man he stated while dying and fighting you hold up every star in the elden ring universe that would be multi solar system to galaxy level
@@gameuniverse5973 If that’s the case then the only Primarch’s that could win would be Dorn and Russ because they can negate/shut off magic, Magnus has 1 hit kill moves from a distance, Vulcan can’t die so he’s basically an 18 foot tall Tarnished, and the 3/4 stealth based Primarch’s would just stealth kill him.
@@Son_Kar IMO the primarchs blitz and oneshot or haxrapes all of them are much more faster than radahn is and all use either mastercrafted power weapons which negate durability or an equivalent that is just as bad if not worse
@@XD-sc4ix In the state he’s in now yes they could probably speed blitz him but at his peak health he could probably keep up with them (though they would still be faster just not by a huge amount), I say this because he was able to nearly defeat Malenia who even in her current state is able to nearly speed blitz the Tarnished, a guy who has consistently dodged literal light based attacks.
@@TheWatcher-z2y arasaka unironically solos the verse one is a megacorporation that owns most of Asia and a good portion of the US the other is what little is left of the US government after they got nuked to oblivion
@@XD-sc4ix They literally have a bioweapon that can kill everything on the planet and can release it from a base Arasaka has no business getting close to.
funny because Adam has no weapon to kill Frank, and so you know even Adam can't use sandy for long, he frys your brain (brain dmg), once Adam slows down he'll be torn to pieces like a tin can
Two arasaka trucks hit David in his exoskeleton and did little damage to him. Adam just casually rips that exoskeleton to pieces. Idk about Adam not having anything on Frank
Speed is usally the deciding factor in fights like this especially if you use Adams's own KE but that's also the reason KE from speed and vice versa is contentious since that would put him in like small town-level
Adam Smasher has been calced at having Sub Relativistic levels of C/R Speeds with the Sandevestine. Even without it, he's still Hypersonic - MHS+ since he's relative to David & V. Not to mention, he's Small Town level physically via KE calculations. He also has class M Lifting Strength. Like Adam realistically takes every category over Frank lol
Imagine if frank was allowed to kill the chosen one. The enclave would one hundred percent give him V.A.T.S. Tech. Also I feel like even if he can’t out pace smasher, he can definitely outlast with his max (lore wise off the charts) special stats. Definitely would be a close fight in my eyes
Ah yes because the 12 foot tall hulking beast of a man that can one punch a SPACE MARINE is gonna get killed by an 8ft tall cyborg who got eviscerated by an avg height human with less implants than him
@@Tonius126 Enclave in a open fight with no prep time sure. But the Enclave is not stupid. This is a world with pure humans, humans more pure than them. Now they will have an issue with people who are more than 50% borg but that's a different story all together. The Enclave would provide an outlet for everyone who wants to see America returned to her former glory but also wants to see the corps of the world burned down. They will also just be a outlet in general for Johnny wannabes who lack the resources to take on the corps while at the same time being kept on a leash so they dont fallow in Johnny's footsteps. The Enclave can fight a war of subversion until they are strong enough to take over Night City. Then once in control it wont be hard to sway the Free States to their side to by some time to prepare for the inevitable "Second American Civil War".
Where did bro go? Anyways you're the only reasonable scaler ive watch in a bit, so can you do Homelander Vs JJK's Special Grades. The power plant feat was calced at small town and Fuga debunked to town or small town so its a fair fight
Homelander gets wiped. Easily. It's not even kinda close. Gojo: Can't be hit by Homelander. Geto: His curses are easily strong enough to tear Homelander in half, and have so many hacks he can't possibly deal with. Sukuna: Lol. Lmao. I won't write anymore down, but all you need to know is that JJK is a hacksverse. And hacks beat Homelanders number pretty easily. Scale it up to Omniman and there starts to be issues, like how "Oh cool, I can't hit you?" *Lights the atmosphere on fire*
@@justv7536 Small Building-Building level curses? What feats do they have, and get didn't have access to any powerful special grade curses who are at best city block. Gojo wins cause of infinite void and infinity. Sukuna's fire arrow that destroyed a chunk of shibuya is a feat performable by 3 kilotons so small town or multi city block, and his fuga is far stronger than his normal attacks so nobody physically scales to it
@@justv7536 and Gojo's infinity protected him from Jogo's volcano so no lighting the atmosphere in fire wouldn't suffocate him. Plus why the hell would omni man do that when in character he doesn't want to leave earth uninhabitable?
@@Cherryponut Homelander is fodder just like Jjk, why are you so mad about pitting two weak verses against each other? Did homelander piss in your cereal or smth?
Imagine Frank Horrigan having advanced Arasaka technology like Adam Smasher have, Frank is already super strong and resilient but giving him sandivistan. They basically made a walking one man army.
Fallout plasma projectiles are slow enough that with a bit of distance a regular human can dodge them (like the player in the games). For Smasher a projectile like that might as well be standing still. Add to that the fact Frank is just straight up dumb. I think he has the higher raw physical strength and perhaps durability but Smasher could run loops around him and win the fight without a scratch.
Yeah people bring up the fact that he has fully maxed out stats in-game as proof he's smart but he's pointed out in-universe that he was of below average intelligence long before becoming a supermutant
@@XD-sc4ix In-engine stats =/= in-universe attributes Unless you believe Caesar is of below average intelligence and charisma or that Mama Murphy is stronger than Frank Horrigan.
Hes not stupid. He is fully articulate in speaking and can perform complex maneuvers and think tactically. He isnt smart in the academic sense but he is skilled, experienced and has critical thinking. Plus of course he has an ai to cover for the things he doesnt know.
@@XD-sc4ix unlike most supermutants he retained his intelligence. He is at worst moderately bellow average. Which doesnt mean much since he is experienced and skilled in combat.
It's a weird one, but for a lower tier version of this, you could totally look into the Krenel mercenaries from Disco Elysium. Perfectly weird and fun, and some impressive enough feats to make them worth talking about
Frank Horrigan is a very strong Space Marine... Adam Smasher is a whole ass primarch Okay, I've definitely gotta expand on this: you guys know that Jaghatai, Sanguinius and Vulkan aren't the primarch average? The baseline for primarchs is on-par, or lower, than Adam Smasher's feats.
Adam smasher is such a boring character honestly, he’s got no story (besides the basic ass robocop styled origin) and an ugly design that looks like a toddler slapped a bunch of scrap metal together. Edit before anyone replies aggressively: I am not denying he could beat horrigan in a fight. I am simply voicing my dislike for him, just because I don’t like him doesn’t mean I disagree that he’s stronger than Frank.
*”WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?!”* -Adam Smasher
“You clearly haven’t met Frank Horrigan, your ride’s over mutie. Time to die.” -Frank Horrigan
"Frank horrigan thats who"
Would've been better ngl
Still funny though
Believe one of the old fallout devs say that if it wasn't for plot Horrigan would have survived the oilrig self destruct
Yeah, they made Frank so strong that the only reason he even lost was so the player can actually beat the story.
A 500 kiloton explosion btw
Source
Yeah but that dev was just wrong though. The reason the player defeats him is because his suit is what keeps him alive. He falls apart after it takes too much damage.
@@paperclip6377bro is saying the person who made the story is wrong about it 💀
Nah, I'd win.
funny because Adam has no weapon to kill Frank, and so you know even Adam can't use sandy for long, he frys your brain (brain dmg), once Adam slows down he'll be torn to pieces like a tin can
@@megas1227 this man gets it ⬆️
As most of the Warhammer community agrees,that Frank can kill a space marine with his bare hands @@Horrigan-rabbit
Yeah, my bets on Frank
real
“You’ve gotten a lot farther then you should have”
“Who the fuck are you?”
“Me? Frank Horrigan that’s who, United States secret service, and you aren’t going anywhere from here”
“Is that a joke? Don’t make me laugh!”
Nah Frank would probably win
So you're saying we need to give Horrigan a suped up Implant GRX
Or a metric ass load of Jet and Turbo
@@Son_Kar both, both is good
Bad take imo. Smasher is only faster than Horrigan in bursts, and he's nowhere near the durability or strength of Frank. Smasher could only evade Frank for so long before Frank just ripped him to pieces.
Also Jet literally slows down time and Frank’s Power armor injects it into his system
Nah Smasher could literally just run circles around him launching fucking rockets, he'd be a puddle before he was able to aim or get within melee distance
@@electalarm8389 Frank’s Stats: 10/10
Smasher’s Stats: 9/20. Smasher can’t even scratch Frank.
Adam has to contend with Militech with thier professional cyborg armies, airforce, space born assets and navy. A deathclaw don't compare to an attack helicopter or a hover tank.
Ask yourself, who would win, Militech or the Enclave? Then you will get answer of who wins between Frank and Adam.
@@Tonius126 This is a 1v1 retard
Fallout protags are fast enough to shoot bullets and missiles out of the air and frank is comparable to them. I think its a 50/50 fight.
If Frank takes a hit of Jet during the fight, Adam is getting slapped around like a Deathclaw.
Yeah but all the protagonists are using VATS to help them with that and we have never shot bullets out of the air just missiles and grenades. Frank doesn’t seem to have access to that.
@@Son_Kar if you are good enough you can shoot the missiles without vats I've managed it before accidentally
@@spacenguns Wait you can actually shoot missiles outside of VATS? That’s pretty impressive I’ve never seen that happen before.
@@Son_Karahha bro Frank have vats and bionic eyes
We have been waiting many moons for this upload brother. Glad to see you back on the horse.
... Don't care i want to see death battle animation of it ...
Me too
@@officialwyattthesans12345 well kinda too bad Adam smasher has like two other mus that are more popular I think which is sundowner and I forgot the other dude damn
@@gameuniverse5973 ... We talking about another metal gear character?
@@officialwyattthesans12345 oh I guess moonson I think is also another that thrown in there but I think the blood guy from JoJo part five is his preferred mu
I never heard frank vs Adam smasher I heard Adam smasher vs Adam from hazbin hotel or rwby before that match up
I heard frank vs a elite from halo or heavy from TF2
Heck I even heard frank vs nemesis like once
@@officialwyattthesans12345 but honestly I don't see a cyberpunk char happening since they have not even done GTA yet
Cough GTA protagonist battle royale cough
As much as i love smasher i dont think he would win. Ive seen warhammer fans say frank would absolutely rip apart a space marine. Also forgot franks big fuck off plasma blade that he has on his wrist, dude may not be the fastest in game but im pretty sure lore wise frank is A LOT faster and has better reaction timing. I mean the dude is a super mutant whos been augmented with cybernetics. Also took the most powerful protagonist in fallout to beat him and even then you still need help from enclave soldiers and turrets...which frank still dont die he just kills himself by nuking the oil rig 😐
@@nukedpyro nah
Adam Smasher is way more durable, has a much larger and stronger arsenal and is way faster.
@@cynicalmemester1694 I’d say that Adam has a larger arsenal not a stronger one, Frank’s plasma cannon should be more destructive than anything Adam’s got but every thing else is correct.
As for speed Adam at base should be moving at around 50mph while Frank should be moving at around 40mph but when the Sandevistan is activated it (according to what I could find) it practically makes you a bullet timer while chems from Fallout like Jet, Turbo and the GRX Implant only slow’s your perception of time by 35 percent while increasing movement and reaction times by the same percentage so yeah Frank would probably get blitzed but he might be able to get a few hits in.
Have you even played these games adam gets melted by anything frank is a tank @@cynicalmemester1694
You got to give credit where credit is due, in edgerunners Adam smasher took down David when he had an anti grav cyber rig that was able to subdue an army.
Isaac clarke vs the resident evil world
He's an engineer, he would be OP in RE.
Pretty sure he can win pretty easily
@@gameuniverse5973 I still want to see him do it since some of the enemy's would be hard for isaac to beat
Not enough tech laying around for him to be powerful tho, RE universe is our modern time but DeadSpace timeline humans been colonizing different planets
@@italkalot8876 Ethan can create a working flamethrower in a shithole of a house, moreover, Isaac is a future human, it's safe to assume he has far wider knowledge than a modern time engineer. He's just smart and creative.
Hard disagree on the speed disadvantage giving smasher the win. The anime's visuals make everyone conflate it as some actual faster-than-light speed boost, like anyone who uses it is as fast as the Flash. Adam Smasher is clearly faster than Frank but Frank's physical might and durability win out against however long Smasher would be able to run around him before Horrigan would eventually get his hands on him.
The ap difference between them isn’t that big. Neither have anything above building level lol
Remember that frank has 10 agility so despite his size he is very fast
@@playerarmy6890 the in-game stats aren't lore accurate
@@XD-sc4ix Frank doesnt lumber around though.
@@XD-sc4ix FEV still increases his physical capabilities, by making him stronger and faster than a regular human and the Enclave experimentation on him has put him far beyond that of other super mutants
Honestly i give it to Frank. I think Adam is waaaaaay faster. And frank not being able to match his speed is one thing (although he's most likely the single fastest humanoid in the wasteland), but the idea that even after his cybernetics, chemicals constantly being pumped into him, and genetic advancement he couldn't keep up is another. He'd be able to shoot horrigan a LOT... but horrigan went up against an enclave squad, numerous turrets, the chosen one, and his followers. He aint exactly paper thin. Meanwhile it really would take a single good shot from horrigans weird little blaster thing to win. I think Frank gets the single most annoying fight of his entire life... but he ultimately wins.
@@spiffygonzales5160 You pump a lethal dose of Jet or, god forbid, a GRX implant into Frank and suddenly that Speed Blitz trumpcard turns into a mere 10-20% advantage.
Can you explain how a group of enclave soldiers compare to dozens of cybernetic soldiers and tanks which Adam is comparable too?
@ Because said soldiers are Cream Of The Crop Veterans, clad in armour that can tank small nuclear explosions & armed with *PLASMA* weapons.
@@Peter_Turbo4 where does those small nuclear explosions scale to? Like we know they’re not comparable to actual nukes.
Its a STR build vs. DEX build fight. They're both absolute tanks, but Horrigan's weaponry is way more powerful and his genetics and chems probably make him a bit tougher.. Smasher is much faster and probably more accurate (depending on how you rate military-grade cyberware, smart weapons, the Sandevistan, etc. vs. Fallout chems like Jet..) so tbh this might be a tougher call than you're making it.
Ima be honest, Smasher survived the arasaka tower nuke, and the fallout devs said Horrigan would have survived the oil rig nuke too. If each of these guys can tank a nuclear bomb point blank, they're probably going to have a good scrap no matter what.
Frank would absolutely Demolish Adam.
What has Frank fought? A deathclaw, bunch of raiders? Adam has fought fully mechanized armies with working logisitics, air force and navies. Attack helicopters, IFV, tanks and hypersonic missiles. Deathclaws don't even compare.
@@Tonius126he didn’t “fight” a deathclaw or a bunch of raiders, he massacred them with no effort, bad analysis HIMSELF said that Frank could end a space marine, now who’s winning that, The space marine or Adam? The space marine would eat smasher for breakfast, Adam wouldn’t even be a midnight snack to Frank.
@@McRibless again a deathclaw doesn't even come close to a outdated basilisk.
It just means that Adam smasher > Space marines. Space marines are known to be one shotted by Tau grunts and one got killed by pitchfork weilding peasants and one got rip in half by a dumb ogryn. Space marines are slow too.
@@Tonius126 Yea cuz the only appearance he had was in 2 while smasher had a whole show game and manga to do dumb shi around
Goofy fallout fans are wild. Adam wouldn't even get a scratch on him. Sandevistan is just too op
Smasher is the type to believe he won, turn around, only for Frank to get up behind him slowly.
Can you do Iluminate vs Tau?
Although, not really fair, this is still one of my favourite matchups. Love the videos as well man!
Yea I didn't think Frank would win just because the sandevistan is just that good
Jet does the same thing.
@@Peter_Turbo4 it doesn't
@@XD-sc4ix it does.
Cope about it.
@@Peter_Turbo4 it doesn't go cope and seethe yourself
I mean, yes, but the Sandevistan does likely have neurological side effects, not to mention the physical side effects (albeit most of those probably don’t matter for someone like smasher). The biggest of which might be brain hemorrhaging. But on the flip side of things, Jet and Psycho in the Fallout universe probably have similar if not worse side effects, and because we don’t have a full view of the Supermutant anatomy, we’re pulling at straws here on the effectiveness of drugs like that in something the size of Frank fucking Horrigan
Fun fact Frank horrigan could have become a 30 ft tall super mutant behemoth
Legolas vs Hawkeye would be good
Eh, Hawkeye is peak human with bows. But Legolas is an elf. He is physically superior in every way. Especially if the fight devolved into hand to hand Legolas would win no diff.
@@joshuaashton1929Cómic Hawkaye >>> Legolas.
@@joshuaashton1929 I mean if you use high end stuff for comic chars even quote on quote human or street tier chars they turn from building to city level to higher
idk if this would be accurate lore-wise, but if this fight was animated i want a sequence where Adam is SMASHING thru Enclave troops via Sandevistan until time grinds to a halt when Frank Horrigan locks onto him with VATS... ONLY THEN for Adam to PHYSICALLY TEAR THE GREEN CRIT HIGHLIGHT OFF!!
At which point Frank proceeds to *INSTANT TRANSMISSION* towards him and backhand the walking scrapheap across the room.
*Because Frank doesn’t play around.*
frank rips this dude in half,glorified protectron
Nice new killer cyborg match up
No way! A smart powerscaler?
No.
He used “blitz” as part of the Scale.
Not smart.
Adam smasher sounds like he belongs in the fallout universe
Judge Dredd vs Punisher
I love Frank, but Dredd would kill him
Dredd for sure unless Frank gets insane plot armor.
I think one burst of those homing bullets and it’s over.
Imagine someone Charisma 10, Speech 100ing Adam Smasher.
1:52 Dawn of War: Dark Crusade mentioned!?
Darn space egyptians.
Imagine the destruction they could cause if they joined forces...
V and the Vault Dweller would have to bring some serious plot armor.
Youre severely underrating Franks speed, and also left out the part that hes extremely adaptable, his reaction speed is far beyond any humans, hes very fast, hes smart, he has insane battle iq, and everything in the fallout universe dies to him like nothing, not to mention Adam uses his sandevistan which is his only real advantage, very sparingly
I doubt any of that makes a difference in the end. Difference in setting between the two world makes it really one sided where Fall Out is retro-futurism, while Cyberpunk is just futurism. Conclave cannot build anything Arasaka couldn't, but half the stuff Arasaka does would be magic for Conclave. They are two entirely different settings, and comparing the two doesn't really work.
Whatever advantage anyone in the FO universe has, there's 0 reason Arasaka couldn't replicate and improve upon it. Not being a parody of the 1950s idea of the future really helps a lot here where they haven't even invented flat screen TVs yet. Like digitalizing human minds by the neuron. While FO's equivalent is floating brains in a tank.
Like Benny said: the game was rigged from the start.
@@MidWitPride I'm not the biggest lore buff on cyberpunk, but from what I understand playing the game watching the anime, and a couple vids on Adam smashers lore, cyberpunks only big advancement over fallout is cybernetics. Plasma, nuclear, genetics, drugs, are all way more advanced in fallout. Frank is a 12+ foot tall monster supersoldier in a nigh indestructible power armor. He's certainly not paper thin. Franks also pumped full of stimulants that would bump his reactions, maybe not to sandevistan level but sooner or later Adam has to turn it off. Adams weaponry just doesn't compare to plasma, Frank would shrug off bullets until he gets a shot off which would just melt Adam.
@@logansinclair7488 Cyberpunk universe has antigravity weapons, simulated human consciousnesses uploaded into computers etc. While Fallout universe has floating brains in a tank as the bleeding edge of mind preservation. If they can map and digitally recreate the neurons and their electric charges, manipulate the mass of objects using fields etc, then they are basically gods at that point and something as mundane as splicing genes in any way they could theoretically think of would be completely trivial.
If they can do that then using the same voodoo magic science they used to make that gravity manipulator, then they for sure can create all kinds of near magical energy fields. Compared to that shooting very hot plasma at things isn't that impressive anymore.
Difference here is that Cyberpunk doesn't really have that many examples of things where some bleeding edge technology is just objectively worse version of what the Fallout universe has. Some things like drugs and nuclear technologies just weren't explored that deeply in the show or the game, so they are unknowns.
@@MidWitPride You quite clearly haven’t had Frank Instant-Transmission across a room to bisect you(a literal demigod at that point) in a single hit.
@@Peter_Turbo4 If we assume that gameplay=lore, then Cyberpunk 2077 has it in the bag, considering that in the launch version of the game Adam Smasher could phase through objects and become unkillable.
This is basically Sanguinius vs Horus. Adam is fast and hits hard. But power armor, especially what Frank has, is on an entirely different level. Couple that with combat chems and steroids that turned him into the first behemoth and you have a giant mutant with pain nullifying combat enhancing drugs in a grafted fusion powered super suit with weapons that can liquify atoms into super heated plasma and a bladed gauntlet that can cut through advanced enclave power armor in a single hit and smite a deathclaw matriarch/alpha in one hit.
While I LOVE cyberpunk (grew up with the table top game) and absolutely loved Adam in the game/show, he only has his speed. Speed which is limited.
Much like Sanguinius, he can turn a 2 dimensional fight into 3 dimensions. But what is his dimensions compared to the magnitude of Horus? And like Sanguinius, he will tired. He will exhaust all his weapons. He will become slower. He will realize he is not enough. He will fear. Then he will anger. And in a moment, he will not be fast enough. He will run out of uses of his Sandevistan, his rockets, his bullets, and his options. Then? The sickening crack of his cybernetics being opened like a can. The searing three rounds of plasma melting mechanics and flesh alike. Because in Adams world, he has never had to face fusion weapons powered by nuclear reactors in mechs powered by enough energy to detonate a small nuclear explosion.
Adam would expend everything he had. And once he did, Frank would unleash old world hell upon Adam.
The whole point of people like David and Smasher is that they’re special.
Except Smasher is far more “special” then David in a sense, since he doesn’t have any drawbacks to his cybernetics, and hasn’t mentally degraded. He’s psychotic, but also stable.
He can use Sandy as long as he needs.
The Horus vs Sangy analogy doesn’t work, since Horus could actually perceive and somewhat react to his faster opponent.
Even if Frank was stronger and tougher than Smasher (Which he really isn’t, considering what the Cyberskeleton could do), he’s up against an opponent that would see his attacks as frozen.
The speed gap is MASSIVE.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 Yea, Frank would have a slight striking advantage and endurance plus weaponry (maybe overall battle smarts but they are both morons that rully rely on just out classing their victims to win). Adams speed just wins him the battle. Maybe with the statement from the fallout 2 dev that he could of survived the oilrig blowing up if the player didn't break his suit causing him to die Frank could force a stalemate due to the durability advantage but even then this statement is very much debated on whether or not its actually canon or not. without the sande this fight favors frank more but with it smasher is simply just too fast.
Yeah I just can’t see how Frank would beat smasher imo.
Adam smasher can keep up with Sandevistan David who during a scene in highway chase with arasaka could view bullets completely frozen in air, based from the calcs I’ve seen on vsbw (it’s from VSBW, I know it’s a decent-mid place to scale characters so take it with a grain of salt, but still, also credits to the people who made these calcs) The cyberpunk verse consistently hops around Hypersonic to Massively hypersonic speed with Relativistic at best.
Adam smasher also defeated Cyborg David who with his anti-gravity field generators could create massive crater the size of 2-3 trucks, and in the final battle he even got hit with the gravity field generator but instead of getting crushed into a tin can he resisted it like nothing and even *moved* in it, The Sandevistan also Amps his attacks by 20% based on its in-game description.
@@TeoDP7 yeah it's obvious that the guy is biased for fallout I mean he said that a space marine is no match to frank when it's the opposite
@@XD-sc4ixThat isn’t what Bad Analysis said in his Frank vs Astarties video, he said that the Marines out-stat Frank in speed and battle iq but Frank would win more often than not. Even in this video he agrees that Adam Smasher would just 1 shot him in Melee and could just speed blitz him.
@@Son_Karthe moment Adam turns on Sandy, Frank’s suit is going to inject Jet directly into his brainstem and then the speed advantage becomes moot.
@@Peter_Turbo4 jet doesn't even allow you to bullet time let alone view high hypersonic railgun shots in slow-motion
@@Son_Kar there is nobplace Smasher could hit Frank to kill him in one shot. He just dont punch hard enough.
its a lot closer of a fight than youd think. Jet is a comparable effect to market grade sandevistans(dilating time by about half of our perceived speed) and there are more potent versions of it that are being pumped into Frank's bloodstream. Smasher is still assuredly faster but the gap isn't a canyon like you portray. All it would take is a couple hits from Frank's plasma weaponry to ruin Smasher's gear on impact which will then need to be repaired, whereas Frank has a minor healing factor where his power armor just amps his already superhuman feats. I'd say it's a clean 50/50, if Frank lands plasma rounds it's an uphill battle for Smasher, if Smasher manages to damage Frank's chem pumps or Power Armor servos then Frank is finished.
Nah, Frank would win.
Please explain why.
@@markofthehack9814the creators of fallout 2 said if frank was alive when the nuke went off at the oil rig he would have survived, adam NEEDED fixed up after being in the radius, frank is also maxed out in S.P.E.C.I.A.L., very few characters in fallout have that
@MartianWasp Can you show that statement? Also, Adam's current state would still outscale Frank since Adam has Large Town level scaling. And having 10 in Special Stats is only useful inverse, not crossverse
@markofthehack9814 Adam got killed by V, one person. Frank required an endgame Chosen One, several turrets, and an entire Enclave squad to do him in.
Adam is faster, definitely, but Frank only needs to get his hands on him once. Not to mention that his plasma gun, like any plasma gun in Fallout, can turn Adam into a puddle of goo, cybernetics or not, since we've seen the same happen to robots in future games.
Sure, Frank might not be the brightest person, but he's still an elite soldier that was part of the secret service before he was fired and moved to Mariposa. He's an expert in combat, and not as dumb as some people think.
Simply put, Adam has speed, but Frank dominates everywhere else.
@DC-it2ng Saying "just one person" is insane. You realize that V was extremely powerful, right? Not to mention, Adam easily took on David, who was able to defeat an army of Militech tanks. Plus, Adam is so much stronger than Frank is. He literally resisted David's gravity crush. The same crush that created a massive crater. He is also relative to V, who can crush diamond plated glass to pure dust.
Frank can use combat stims like jet to close the gap even if not entirely and his ai could compensate. Frank isnt an idiot he isnt amart but he is far from being incapable of adapating to the threat. Not to mention in melee he has a giant plasma sword I think it is on his arm. And remeber Smasher uses the sandevistan sparingly. Hebisnt constantly using it. He cant dodge every shot and Frank is fast and durable enough to take just about anything smasher could possibly throw at him with zero effect. Itbonly takes one hit to put Smasher down or at least very heavily damage him while it would take a lot to bring horrigan down.
I can find anything about an AI being in his armor maybe your confusing that with his cybernetic’s and bionic eye? To my knowledge the only instance of an AI being used in armor in Fallout is the stealth suit in Big Mountain and the Medical Power Armor in Fallout 3.
Also I don’t think his wrist mounted knife is a plasma weapon because we’ve only got like 2 melee based plasma weapons in the series and those are from Fallout Brotherhood of Steel and 76, everything else is EMP/electrical, fire and radiation based. Even then his knife isn’t glowing or anything it looks completely normal and that makes sense the Enclave already knows that he’s overkill enough so why waste rare materials on something that Frank doesn’t even need.
@@Son_Kar the AI is in the Oil Rig, it’s got a wireless connection to Frank through his armour.
@@Peter_Turbo4 I can’t find any references to an AI being in his armour online, is this from the Fallout Bible or a quote from a developer similar to how a dev said that Horrigan would have survived the nuke on the oil rig?
Adam Smasher is what supercorpo tech was able to make in future. Frank Horrigan is what goverment was able to make in the post apo
Frank solos because of his super badass voice lines
Honestly I think the Icon of Sin Vs Evolved Godzilla would be a very interesting matchup.
WHO THE F-*Gets instamelted by a plasma canon*
@@chromosomedcollector "you haven't heard about fra-" **gets a new mouth ripped through his neck**
@@XD-sc4ixadam smasher couldn't even hurt him honestly
@@Donquavius08 tell that to the tribal man with room temperature IQ
@@XD-sc4ix “A rudiment- *gets folded in half by Frank, WITH HIS BARE HANDS*
@@Peter_Turbo4 Nuh-uh
Can you do Gojo vs Makima? It would be interesting to see a take that isn't Death Battle or verse wanking.
Volt Prime (Warframe) vs Adam Smasher next?
I recently started playing warframe again, one of my first thoughts in my first mission was "man these things are godlike, why would ANYONE fight this thing?:
That a massacre any regular Warframe can fight on the surface of the sun with no problem
thats like saying who would win a nuke or tim from down the street
volt is stupidly fast and can stun smasher with his electric thingy
the only way as far as i k now to stop a frame is use a slow down lazer or what nidus did by lowtiergodding himself
I really hate when people will take two incomparable things and compare them just to get people riled up. I hope people like this guy gets that when they posts this stuff about two incomparable things that cause tension between two communities if this doesn’t stop I’m going to attempt to make a video about other videos like this one and tell people why videos like this should be avoided because this video really should have never been made in the first place
@@GeorgeFranklin-f3g I really hate mfs that see people enjoying something and gotta ruin it for them.
Jet does exist in the fallout universe, so I wouldn't be surprised if frank uses it. I don't think it would match the speed of a sandevistan, but I think it'd close the gap enough to keep him in the fight, at least to the point that he can keep track of smasher's movements
Jet basically does the same thing as Sandy but with chemicals instead of electrical overclocking.
Smasher is gonna have a bad time.
@@Peter_Turbo4 it doesn't and a sandy is still much faster
@@XD-sc4ix
>liking your own Comments
*CRINGE.*
@@Peter_Turbo4no that was me
@@Peter_Turbo4 imagine projecting
You guys gotta stop requesting this fight just to piss off other people. It’s the wrong thing to do
Tabletop Adam Smasher is literally basically unbeatable and is used by GMs when they want a boogyman or to end a game lol. He’s meant to the end of the road we’re as Frank is meant to be an obstacle. They are not the same lol
@@fattyyokel8126 ok so why compare them
Frank was originally going to be unbeatable, but the devs decided that you should be able to win the game and even then the main character is a god, who has turrets and a whole kill squad and Frank tries to kill everyone with a nuke (which devs said he may have survived)He isn’t an obstacle, he is the end.
Ngl V VS Courier Six would be fun to see
Adam Smasher vs Nemesis and other Resident Evil Tyrants.
Adam smasher horribly beats them them nemesis caps at like low city block to city block while Adam smasher has better speed stuff and town calcs
@@gameuniverse5973I don’t know about that one chief.
Tyrants are horrendously durable, to the point that it takes Thermobaric weaponry to even scratch them.
And then they’ll just enter their Supertyrant form.
@@Peter_Turbo4 bruh I like resident evil more than cyberpunk but it doesn't take thermobarics. anti-tank weapons are enough to oneshot most tyrants
@@Peter_Turbo4Frank is more durable
@@TeoDP7 He is, yeah.
It’s not a very big margin, but it’s there.
FINALLY
Now do :
Finn the human vs frank horrigan
I find your lack of fallout knowledge disturbing.
Cope and seethe. Cyberpunk have Arasaka, Militech, NUSA while Fallout only have a teeny tiny Enclave. A deathclaw doesn't compare to an hover tank or a attack helicopter that Adam has to contend with weekly.
@@Tonius126Liberty Prime?
@@Tonius126 Fatman launchers be like:
Garou vs mob
Finally
We need cybertronian as a contender soon
oh thats some bull
Adam Smasher vs Toji Zenin would be an interesting matchup. They're both 'for hire's' that've largely lost their humanity.
Now we’re talking
Do chainsawman vs Godzilla minus one
Either you mean the chainsaw devil or the verse either way Godzilla minus one loses
@@gameuniverse5973no I mean not pochitA but the csm that fought reze
@@Lime-green-death-beam the version of chainsaw man that fought reze gets cooked I think he does not scale too almost nothing to high in the csm verse he like at best city block he definitely does not scale to the massively nerfed gun devil who has a town to city calc
If it was black chainsaw man that form briefly used,current chainsaw man,or true form chainsaw man aka pochita Godzilla minus gets cooked
2nd time I request Steve(Minecraft) vs Terraria Guy
😂
FRANK HORRIGAN
*Your ride's over mutie*
is this a re-upload? idk by but i got a deja vu when seeing this, as if i watched it already.
No I think he just changed the title
Even with speed Frank would win as long as he managed to land a hit with the plasma cannon. Adam is more machine than man so I imagine that the radiation generated by a bolt of plasma would be enough to interfere with his cybernetics. In that case Adams gizmos and implants wouldn't mean d*ck. Especially when Frank gets his hands on him and pulls him apart like a kid ripping the wings off of a fly.
How about the 40K Primarch’s vs Starscourge Radahn (from a lore perspective) from Elden Ring to see how he stacks up against them all? That would actually be a pretty thematic and a pretty fair fight, he could possibly overpower weaker Primarch’s like Lorgar and maybe Guilliman but he would probably get destroyed by Dorn, Magnus, Leman Russ and Vulcan.
Radahn claps my man he stated while dying and fighting you hold up every star in the elden ring universe that would be multi solar system to galaxy level
@@gameuniverse5973 If that’s the case then the only Primarch’s that could win would be Dorn and Russ because they can negate/shut off magic, Magnus has 1 hit kill moves from a distance, Vulcan can’t die so he’s basically an 18 foot tall Tarnished, and the 3/4 stealth based Primarch’s would just stealth kill him.
@@Son_Kar IMO the primarchs blitz and oneshot or haxrapes all of them are much more faster than radahn is and all use either mastercrafted power weapons which negate durability or an equivalent that is just as bad if not worse
@@XD-sc4ix In the state he’s in now yes they could probably speed blitz him but at his peak health he could probably keep up with them (though they would still be faster just not by a huge amount), I say this because he was able to nearly defeat Malenia who even in her current state is able to nearly speed blitz the Tarnished, a guy who has consistently dodged literal light based attacks.
@@Son_Kar soo do space marines and custodes and they're still no match to even the weakest primarch
Arisaka vs Enclave?
@@TheWatcher-z2y arasaka unironically solos the verse one is a megacorporation that owns most of Asia and a good portion of the US the other is what little is left of the US government after they got nuked to oblivion
Fallout 2 Enclave solos, Fallout 3 Enclave loses
@@MrCritic77 they don't fallout 2 enclave gets soloed just as easily
@@XD-sc4ix They literally have a bioweapon that can kill everything on the planet and can release it from a base Arasaka has no business getting close to.
@@XD-sc4ixadvanced technology when 5000 nuclear bombs enter the room:
actual coughing baby vs fucking hydrogen bomb analogy
funny because Adam has no weapon to kill Frank, and so you know even Adam can't use sandy for long, he frys your brain (brain dmg), once Adam slows down he'll be torn to pieces like a tin can
He won't, lol. He's physically more powerful than Frank, too, lol. He scales to David, who is Small Town level & has class M Lifting Strength.
@@markofthehack9814 Frank is city level at least, adam has no way of physically hurting him
@@Donquavius08 Explain what makes Frank city level
Two arasaka trucks hit David in his exoskeleton and did little damage to him. Adam just casually rips that exoskeleton to pieces. Idk about Adam not having anything on Frank
@@nekro5950the exoskeleton uses gravity shield, and that was a prototype was not made for a real fight/war
How about Solider Boy (The Boys show) VS A Thunder Warrior (War Hammer 40K)
Frank's strength and the amount of battle drugs I think frank absolutely rips apart smasher
Cyberpunk 2 needs more unique boss fights
Emp grenade
Speed is usally the deciding factor in fights like this especially if you use Adams's own KE but that's also the reason KE from speed and vice versa is contentious since that would put him in like small town-level
Adam Smasher has been calced at having Sub Relativistic levels of C/R Speeds with the Sandevestine. Even without it, he's still Hypersonic - MHS+ since he's relative to David & V. Not to mention, he's Small Town level physically via KE calculations. He also has class M Lifting Strength. Like Adam realistically takes every category over Frank lol
Can you explain the abbreviations please?
@@astronautical1060 They're levels of speed and strength. C/R means combat and reaction speed
@@markofthehack9814 Thanks :)
@@markofthehack9814 Your calcs are scuffed And your lore is Tourist-Level.
@@Peter_Turbo4 Explain why they're wrong then
Imagine if frank was allowed to kill the chosen one. The enclave would one hundred percent give him V.A.T.S. Tech. Also I feel like even if he can’t out pace smasher, he can definitely outlast with his max (lore wise off the charts) special stats. Definitely would be a close fight in my eyes
bro you can just read the vs wiki, Frank win that
vs wiki is a meme lol
@@billyboleson2830 is not wtf you smoke , you can read all the stats , wapons/armor and feats
@@megas1227 it is everybody knows VSBW is BS
@@megas1227 no
@@megas1227and he lose
I wonder if smasher could beat a maruader from doom eternal.
(Murder Drones) N vs (RWBY) Pre Maiden Penny
Penny easy claps she has city block stuff at that level while n caps at like large building level
@@gameuniverse5973 and some people think N stomps I did some of my own research and I believe it’s a little closer than we think
Battle suggestion: Atriox VS Astartes
That's a very good one, but you would need to be more specific on the astartes chapter
Ah yes because the 12 foot tall hulking beast of a man that can one punch a SPACE MARINE is gonna get killed by an 8ft tall cyborg who got eviscerated by an avg height human with less implants than him
Counterpoint V is just that guy 😤
@@FlawlessWallace3350 and the chosen one is literally Nuclear Jesus.
Franks Stats: 10/10
Smasher’s Stats: 9/20
Arasaka Stats 10/10
Enclave Stats 4/10
Therefore Cyberpunk verse wins, including Adam Smasher.
@@Tonius126 Enclave in a open fight with no prep time sure. But the Enclave is not stupid. This is a world with pure humans, humans more pure than them. Now they will have an issue with people who are more than 50% borg but that's a different story all together. The Enclave would provide an outlet for everyone who wants to see America returned to her former glory but also wants to see the corps of the world burned down. They will also just be a outlet in general for Johnny wannabes who lack the resources to take on the corps while at the same time being kept on a leash so they dont fallow in Johnny's footsteps. The Enclave can fight a war of subversion until they are strong enough to take over Night City. Then once in control it wont be hard to sway the Free States to their side to by some time to prepare for the inevitable "Second American Civil War".
@@Tonius126 The/Enclave/is/not/stupid./ All/they/have/to/do/is/wage/a/war/of/subversion/and/Night/City/is/theirs./ After/that/all/they/have/to/do/is/get/the/Free/States/on/their/side/and/they/are/in/position/to/win/the/second/american/civil/war.
Where did bro go? Anyways you're the only reasonable scaler ive watch in a bit, so can you do Homelander Vs JJK's Special Grades. The power plant feat was calced at small town and Fuga debunked to town or small town so its a fair fight
Homelander gets wiped. Easily. It's not even kinda close.
Gojo: Can't be hit by Homelander.
Geto: His curses are easily strong enough to tear Homelander in half, and have so many hacks he can't possibly deal with.
Sukuna: Lol. Lmao.
I won't write anymore down, but all you need to know is that JJK is a hacksverse. And hacks beat Homelanders number pretty easily. Scale it up to Omniman and there starts to be issues, like how "Oh cool, I can't hit you?" *Lights the atmosphere on fire*
Stop bringing up Homelander in Vs bouts. He's weak, everyone in that universe is weak.
@@justv7536 Small Building-Building level curses? What feats do they have, and get didn't have access to any powerful special grade curses who are at best city block. Gojo wins cause of infinite void and infinity. Sukuna's fire arrow that destroyed a chunk of shibuya is a feat performable by 3 kilotons so small town or multi city block, and his fuga is far stronger than his normal attacks so nobody physically scales to it
@@justv7536 and Gojo's infinity protected him from Jogo's volcano so no lighting the atmosphere in fire wouldn't suffocate him. Plus why the hell would omni man do that when in character he doesn't want to leave earth uninhabitable?
@@Cherryponut Homelander is fodder just like Jjk, why are you so mad about pitting two weak verses against each other? Did homelander piss in your cereal or smth?
So Adam is the king of the "one in a million guy" club
@@Gwilherm and frank is HIM
Frank can kill a space marine with his bare hands,adam is nothing more than a sketari
@@Hunter-zf7rt very apt comparison.
A worse Rust Stalker to be specific.
@@Peter_Turbo4 sounds about right
Imagine Frank Horrigan having advanced Arasaka technology like Adam Smasher have, Frank is already super strong and resilient but giving him sandivistan. They basically made a walking one man army.
@@johnclement189 hey.
Look into Implant GRX and Jet.
Here's the thing horrigan is absolutely way stronger in raw power and likely durability the reason he probably loses is speed
Adam Smasher is basically a Dragon Ball Android
It’s all Fun & Games until you realise Frank is faster than Adam without Sandy.
And that his suit can dump Jet into his bloodstream.
@@Peter_Turbo4 imagine thinking jet puts you at the same speed of a sandevistan lmao
@@XD-sc4ix it does.
And I’m not going to pretend it doesn’t.
@@Peter_Turbo4 come back here when jet allows you to actually bullet time then we'll talk
@@XD-sc4ix It literally does exactly that you dense motherfucker.
@@XD-sc4ix the sandevistan doesnt provide that though. The tv show way overblows its effect. It does however make it far easier to react to a gunman.
I think Frank is gonna have a fun time during this 😂
People honestly thinking frank would win are mad delusional lmao
Subject delta vs nemesis please I need it
Fallout plasma projectiles are slow enough that with a bit of distance a regular human can dodge them (like the player in the games). For Smasher a projectile like that might as well be standing still.
Add to that the fact Frank is just straight up dumb. I think he has the higher raw physical strength and perhaps durability but Smasher could run loops around him and win the fight without a scratch.
Yeah people bring up the fact that he has fully maxed out stats in-game as proof he's smart but he's pointed out in-universe that he was of below average intelligence long before becoming a supermutant
@@XD-sc4ix In-engine stats =/= in-universe attributes
Unless you believe Caesar is of below average intelligence and charisma or that Mama Murphy is stronger than Frank Horrigan.
@@weall1208Caesar has a Brain Tumour is why.
Hes not stupid. He is fully articulate in speaking and can perform complex maneuvers and think tactically. He isnt smart in the academic sense but he is skilled, experienced and has critical thinking. Plus of course he has an ai to cover for the things he doesnt know.
@@XD-sc4ix unlike most supermutants he retained his intelligence. He is at worst moderately bellow average. Which doesnt mean much since he is experienced and skilled in combat.
I honestly think that with all the drugs Frank can abuse, he wins
Sad to say Frank Horrigan ain't winning this one even 3 out of 10 times... Duty... Honor... Courage... Smelly fries...
It's a weird one, but for a lower tier version of this, you could totally look into the Krenel mercenaries from Disco Elysium. Perfectly weird and fun, and some impressive enough feats to make them worth talking about
Frank Horrigan is a very strong Space Marine... Adam Smasher is a whole ass primarch
Okay, I've definitely gotta expand on this: you guys know that Jaghatai, Sanguinius and Vulkan aren't the primarch average? The baseline for primarchs is on-par, or lower, than Adam Smasher's feats.
You’re not just wrong, you’re stupid.
He really isnt.
@@casematecardinal 11 feet tall, can move faster than sound, insane reaction speed, able to easily lift tanks. He's primarch tier bro.
Custodes maybe? Primarch fuck no
I'm sorry bro but any of the primarchs can turn adam to literal atoms.
The only thing Adam Smasher has that Frank would have no counter for is the Sandevistan
Frank has Jet & potentially Implant GRX.
HEEEEEEES BAAAAAACK
Adam smasher is such a boring character honestly, he’s got no story (besides the basic ass robocop styled origin) and an ugly design that looks like a toddler slapped a bunch of scrap metal together.
Edit before anyone replies aggressively: I am not denying he could beat horrigan in a fight. I am simply voicing my dislike for him, just because I don’t like him doesn’t mean I disagree that he’s stronger than Frank.
The indominus Rex vs the giga each from Jurassic world
Don't want to be a nerd here, but you forgot to add the stat block of Frank.
(It’s because Frank *MOGGS* Adam)
Adam smasher Vs Ares (Next gen movie villain)
It be cool if they worked together
Allmight vs homelander
@@J.O.S.H_ bruh allmight solos the verse while sleeping
@@XD-sc4ixnerfed all might punch in episode one was calc to multi city by the homelander barely get to city