what are you yapping about i know that space marines are very strong but frank is on another level (for instance a space marine captan could kill him with relative ease ) but i think it would take 2 or 3 normi marines or like one with a devastator loadout frank is strong but he has his limits. I think that he would be on the level of a weak daemon prince without you know all of the chaos shit
@@LucasHelson if they just stand still and shoot at each other maybe. But just because that's Frankie's modus operandi doesn't mean the space marine will play along. In fact, any space marine equivalent from any other IP, such as master chief, that has to deal with aliens will probably beat Frank. For three very simple reasons. 1. Frank is stupid, we are told this with his low int stat. 2. Frank is a bully. He's been fighting things that cannot harm him the entire time, the strongest things he has to worry about are deathclaws, which despite being dangerous are still animals that aren't really a threat to him. 3. Which leads nicely to the final point. Frank has little to no experience fighting enemies of his calibre. This makes him arrogant and why he loses to the MC in the end. See, a 40k marine despite being really op in terms of stats are actually pretty run of the mill in the 30k and 40k universe. They fight enemies that will beat their asses in a straight up fight all the time. The eldar while weaker are faster than them, the necrons are slower but are just as strong and infinitely tougher with their resurrection, ork nobz are straight up better than Marines, the list goes on and on, and by the time a scout earns their power armour, they would have killed plenty of these enemies superior to themselves. Heck, a lot of them are born and lived in death worlds where they have to hunt creatures no less dangerous than deathclaws as prepubescent children just to survive. But in the end, these kind of cross IP analysis just boils down to who you like better most of the time. And is honestly cringe tism that makes 4chan posters look like balanced individual, hence why it's bad. I like to wade into this cesspool from time to time but honestly it's not something that I can stay in Long term lol.
@@jellydamgood Frank has 10 to all of his stats, including intelligence. Dont know where you got that it was low, thats the maximum. But I do tend to think that an astartes would wipe the floor with frank.
In the W40K Book "The First Heretic," Chainswords are told to not be able to penetrate armor well, but skilled users know to aim for the flexible joints, where the digging teeth can rip through easier. This was noted from a Space Marine Sergeant.
I should have worded that more like I did for the 50 cal true but games workshop holds cannon lose so games can be taken more seriously aand I said space marines could they are high iq enough to go for weak points
Also it's easier when the chainsword is wielded by a space marine because they have the strength to shove the chainsword deeper than a human would ever be able to
@badanalysis1 this is exactly right. It depends on who is writing it and who you wanna believe. Chain swords are often said to be made specifically to chew through armor but again its a question of which is MORE canon
Realistically speaking I can't imagine a more useless weapon to use against armour than a chainsword or any variation of a chainsaw, any sort of metal armour would stop that shit immediately.
@@AurelionSass _Frank, standing over the bones of the God-Emperor of Man and the wreckage of his corpse-throne_ *"Well, it's a little after 12. Who's up for some lunch?"*
also frank was only defeated by the chosen one, several turrets, and an elite enclave kill squad who are packing the same armor he is AND the only one to make it out alive was the chosen one.
@@thegrimgripper8416 Unironically the Devs stated that the reason that the Chosen One was able to win is plot armor, and that realistically Frank would mulch everybody in the room and then survive the Rig exploding.
A really REALLY important point: You keep showing Necrons, with their Space-Marine-One-Shotting standard weapons every time you mention plasma weapons, but Necrons don't use plasma weaponry at all, they use "Gauss" weapons. Granted, that's a misnaming on GW's part, but they are NOT plasma weapons. They don't function like the plasma weapons in the setting at all. Gauss weapons don't melt or goopify their targets, they disassemble it, which is why Necron weapons care so little about armour thickness, composition, etc.
It's kinda funny that he showed Gauss rifles, because Fallout 2's Gauss Rifle is the best small gun in the game. It also completely ignored armor, which is why sniper builds are a bit OP.
They are linear induction motors that pull the target toward the weapon at the molecular level which accounts for the "flaying effect". The Necrontyr bent physics and science over a table and made them their plaything after they discovered the C'tan. I love how people constantly misinterpret their race being only 64 million years old. Lemme explain. That's when the War in Heaven ended which lasted for a billion or two billion years. The Necrontyr are the second form of sentient life to exist in our primordial galaxy, eons after its creation. The other, first and original race were the Old Ones. Anyways I have a lot of trouble even seeing a space marine going up against Frank. I could see him killing a new recruit, not one that's a veteran Astartes.
@@Mirthful_Midori as far as i remember, gauss pistol is op, not the rifle. 6 eye shots per turn is way better than 4. The only other two weapons in the game good enough for me were pulse rifle for sniping purposes, and bozar for sheer power (although its ammo consuption was insane, almost making it unusable in the long run)
@@aleksandrneprimerov278 At least the Bozar had plenty of ammo. The Vindicator minigun was the one that ate too much rare ammo. I suppose I should've tried the Gauss Pistol, but I managed to do really well with the rifle. The range was really insane too.
Forgot to mention that the power sword has a power field around the blade that can split objects at a molecular level so maybe the space marine has a chance with one
@@jakejohnson718 no not technically a spacemarine with a power sword is usually a warrior of great skill and has survived contless campaigns and fought some of the greatest enemies of the 40k universe and is usually given yo veterans such 1st company who are marines who have survived and worked thier way up the ranks but like you said they're rare among astartes because the materials to make one power sword could make over 100 chainswords snd there are very few people who know how to craft them and most power swords spacemarines use are passed down from warriors who were very skilled but died in battle or are relics from the horus heresy so the spacemarine doesn't have to be named
I feel like a squad of scouts would honestly do better against frank than a regular marine, or like 3 scouts with some heavy weapons which they are known and shown to use. I loved this video keep it up hope these become regular
Bear in mind, the only reason The Chosen One defeated Frank Horrigan was because Plot Armor as said by the devs themselves. Frank can only lose to plot armor, change my mind.
@@youraverageshitposter9083 if theyre named, sure, if its an unnamed ultramarine he guns the poor bastard down as he charges from 300 foot away screaming with a chainsaw sword in an effort to get into glorious melee
You forget that Frank Horrigan isn’t just a super mutant, but practically a “smart”, elite training, behemoth in unmatched power armor. All his stats are max in the fight with the Chosen one.
@codyjackson1875 you are way overestimating a space marine. Horrigan is most analogous to an ork warboss in strength. You know the kind of ork thay cn throw a space marine around Ike a rag doll
@@casematecardinal Horrigan is more so like a normal ork, definitely not a warboss. On that note, fairly certain a single member of the catachan fighters would solo his ass.
@@casematecardinal That's it? Only 12 feet tall with some muscle and horrible armor? Yeah a Catatchan would rip him a new one immediately upon contact, no question.
Yea pretty much every franchise has that 1 Space Marines type character or unit. Fallout has Frank Horrigan, Cyberpunk 2077 has Adam Smasher, Halo with the Spartan 2’s.
Yeaaaah... keep discussing fow what franchise is better is like... uhm, "bro, go touch some grass". Nobody cares about your "my franchise is better" is like . . . How say it? "Look this meme i did warhammer 40K fan, i put myself has the CHAD and you like the Virgin". And SAAAAAME with all franchise, especially Doom cuz that one guy is a Gary Stu... Epic, but Gary Stu anyways. I mean, i am just a Fan of Uktrakill and i am not saying "V1 roast Fallout universe and 40K too" . Go touch some grass, is healthy.
@anon4854 Frank's helmet flies off Then, by the laws of (plot coherence and author bias) the warp he revives and kills 5 Space Marines, with one hand because idk named character's be like that in 40k
This matchup, despite being between two super soldiers with ridiculous stats, is ultimately decided by what gun each of them brings. Sure, Frank has his standard gun by default, but what about the Marine? With a Flamer, bolt pistol and knife it’s such an unfair fight for the Marine, but the second you swap that Flamer for a Grav Gun Frank’s 12 foot ass is getting smooshed.
That's the case with every super soldier fight that's why the concept is stupid. Stuff like "can a spartan kill a space marine" or vice versa is stupid when you consider that both can be killed by regular human beings or grunts. Everything dies to a spartan laser or a meltagun.
If it's a named marine without a helmet then Horrigan will loose 99% of the time. Remember if you want to live to your millennia as a space marine, get a name and refuse to wear a helmet EVER!
Isn't Frank's armour like-semi grafted to him, as in he has mechanical joints and stuff? Feel like his bionics, which fallout has and I'm pretty sure Frank has should've been noted.
@@blacktemplar1139 I’m pretty sure Frank’s cybernetics aren’t really meant to enhance him, they were mainly meant to keep him functioning. He has a bionic eye but we don’t know anything about that and the mechanical joints that he has built into him that were mainly ment to help Frank move around because he was too heavy to move himself around.
The fact frank outweighs a space marine by an entire ton while only being a few feet taller should say a lot. Dudes basically an intelligent ork in space marine armor with a necron gun...and is also a combination of the three without his gear too
I am torn between my love of fallout and warhammer.honestly I could see horrigan killing a big standard space marine but it’s not even close to an easy fight
Considering he is to a space marine what a space marine is to a normal man technically even more so. He'd absolutely one shot a space marine with his weapons and easily overpower one in cqb. It would definitely be an easy fight
A Space Marine with a Vulkite or a Melta would probably have an excellent chance against Frank. Also, Lascannon, or Krak Rounds which are Adamantine Penetraters, a material that Frank's armor counld never have been designed to withstand. Also, every single Battle Brother has more on Field Battle Experience than Frank, at least Decades by the time they are 50 years old, and many Battle Brothers are 100 or more years old, and have fought stuff like Frank before,namely Chaos Space Marines, they would probably be amazed at how slow he was, and how brittle his armor was, mistaking him for a terminator kr dreadnought.
You need to consider that fusion power isn’t a concept explored in 40k. I remember reading somewhere that a misfire from a plasma gun in fallout has enough energy to destroy a block. “Plasma” is quite literally hotter than the surface of the sun. Space Marines have good armour, but it isn’t designed for that shit no matter what GW says. Not only that, but the dude’s strength is off the charts, not only is he bigger than a space marine, he’s capable of lifting twice as much at a minimum. Horrigan would wreck an average Space Marine in a 1v1. If the Courier can punch the head off a death claw in 1 hit (a feat which is pretty on par with space marines considering Death Claws can hurl cars weighing several tonnes one handed), Horrigan could literally unscrew an average marine’s head. I can see him struggling against a Terminator, or a Sergeant/ Captain that have power weaponry, but a singular Space Marine would get decimated 9/10 times. Anyone who says otherwise is picking and choosing the most ridiculous 40k lore to prop up that shitty universe.
Necron Gauss weapons aren't plasma. They are weird super magnets that attract tissue to the cannon of the gun at the molecular level, leaving people basically flayed, instead of weapons hyper heating matter and then shooting them at people. The guys that made that 40K short film never touched a Necron Codex.
@@blacktemplar1139 They don't destroy. Instead of that they disconnect them one by one, turning the subject into the finest dust imposible. (literally so fine that it scatters in milliseconds)
@@badanalysis Wanna throw me a bone and link me in the description with a timestamp as a credit? If I had known peeps would be using this image a lot I woulda watermarked it lol
Basically... Frank is a few classes up from a space marine. Response is to class up with things a few classes up from a space marine. A-la-dreadnaught. And flamers. Yep, that too. Either that or storm bolters from very, very, very far away. Or, i dunno, guard regiment from 1 kilometer with tripod lasguns? COMBINING BEAAAAAMS! (yes I know it's unreasonably improbable for that to work that way, but it's still a cool image, everybody loves a combining beams moment)
@@AenVegra Frank isn't really THAT strong honestly a good enough Scout Marine could probably take him. That'd be like comparing Frank to Tyberos "The Red Wake" who'd probably kill Frank as easily as he killed that deathclaw.
I’ve got an idea if you’re interested in doing Fallout again, maybe putting Courier 6 and all of his cybernetics and implants from the New Vegas clinic up against a spartan 3 or 4 might also be a good match up because Courier 6 has tons of different anti power armour weapons that could definitely drop a spartan and his GRX implant could probably let him keep up with one for as long as it’s active but the spartan would have the advantage of his power armour not slowing him down and being much faster and stronger.
Problem is, even the best weapons in the game like anti material and gauss rifles would barely dent cermite armor. The only weapons I see working would be a high explosives like mini nukes or the shear dps of something like a plasma caster. Maybe the thermic lance and industrial hand ignoring dr/dt would be affective on the joints like a chain sword but you’d have to be an idiot to get within melee range of an Astartes
@@Maxsmackplasma weapons in halo are known to melt the armour that spartans have on without much problem, and none of the handheld plasma weapons can turn relatively weak opponents to ash or liquid like the ones in fallout can.
@@anirecapped.An average space marine is said to be between 35 and 45 mph which is faster but not hilariously fast. Frank horrigan has a special 10 in every stat, so we can assume he is at peak human speed at least. Hussain bolt runs at 27 mph, so Frank could logically be as fast.
@@anirecapped.There are some stating that they can move at 150mph, which tbf is absolutely hilariously fast. I assume this is more an outlier rather than the average.
@@josephbutler4950 I guess Ulysses is an even match for Frank then, eh? And firstborn space marines have been noted as moving around 53 mph (Not even their top speed) through "difficult terrain" and it is stated that primaris can move even faster than them easily. Frank could not hope to be anywhere as fast
As more of a Fallout fan than a Warhammer fan, this video is fun purely to see the comments going absolutely fucking nuts that you said Frank would win.
Yea sorry you had to see all that, Warhammer 40k fans are like the Dragon Ball fandom but for si-fi they tend to freak out if you say that something like a Spartan or Frank Horrigan can stand up to a Space Marine and win or that a faction like the Covenant could hold their own in the setting instead of immediately getting wiped out by the Imperium in the span of a year by the Imperial Guard alone.
Warhammer fans don't like it when you say something can beat another thing from Warhammer. Saw a comment where someone said that WH is the Texas of sci fi, everything is bigger but not necessarily better.
@@legaroojack1251 The funny thing is that Warhammer is pretty small and weak compared to almost every other galactic-level sci-fi universe out there, if for no other reason than 40K is a miniatures game and everything flows from that. It was pretty funny when Pancreasnowork released his '40K isn't that strong' video and a whole new generation of fans got introduced to the Xeelee-stomp.
Man Space Marines wish they could be Frank Horrigan because this guy is pretty much a walking apocalypse to anyone fighting him. What a fun first video to make
Yes… a high level RPG protagonist video game character who possibly has the best gear in the game (that’s also not adding in the fact that there are variables to consideration) and the best way to actually kill Frank is by damaging his armor. Almost every Space Marine can survive being cut directly in half, and Frank was and still had enough energy to get up, walk over, talk some shit, before his armor literally decapitated him. Is there any non-main character Space Marine that did that?
@@49mozzer Space Marines have lost to normal humans multiple times, Caiphas Cain, named sisters of battle, Eisenhorn (although a psyker, he doesn't have superhuman speed, he literally stated in the books that human Karkisins have better martial skills than himself) Commissar Guant also survived duels with them Also a recent mobile game ad showed a sister of battle contending a chaos marine in a 1v1 I won't use it to downplay Marines, they should and are superior to even the best of humanity, but I'm just saying your argument is hypocritical because the same has happened to space marines
Something I notice about literally every single one of these matches is the comment section is just “well it says here in the novelization ‘Mythander’s Ballsack’ that space marines actually shoot lasers out of their eyes when they really want to so they win” 40k is literally the epitome of “I win because I said so” type shit. The logic and physics of the setting are so looney tunes it’s like trying to pit a character against Popeye or Saitama, like dawg you are doomed to fail.
The only kind of space marine that does that is a psycher and not all psychers are really able to do that either. 40k is intentionally designed to be a very chaotic setting. Yes some settings are just better than 40k, but for the most part 40k is like I said designed to be practically overpowered. If your referring to Frank as the saitama vs an astartes, then im afraid you dont know what an astartes or, your grossly overestimating frank. I may recommend to do research for yourself, and dont tell me you do enough because no person who does research will say that normal astartes will shoot lasers out of their eyes. Im not trying to rip on you, but make you aware of how much your ripping on a setting without knowing enough about it.
@@iamtoolazytoeditmyprofile plasma weapons pretty reliably kill terminators and frank has a full auto plasma rifle he has near instant fire superiority to a crazy extent. plays out fight starts both shoot each other the marine likely shooting first and probably second i doubt this would do much to frank he is at the very least as tough as a well armored ork the marine is forced to evade or die he gets hit hes dead, say he some how dodges full auto plasma he has to land multipule hits whilst frank needs one and the marine isnt good enough to do that they get hit all the time by heretic grunts orks you name it.
Warhammer has been around since the early 80's and has an extremely fleshed out lore with fuck knows how many books and such. Are we really surprised that people can look through them and find feats of them doing impressive things?
@@AceDan-gc9po A spacemarine's reaction time runs in single digit microseconds, good luck tagging him from a far and that too with something as slow as a plasma bolt. Meanwhile, give the Spacemarine a Volkite pistol and Frank is gone before he can put his finger on the trigger.
@@user-mu8dm4rk7g we're measuring by popularization, not invention. "Adam Smasher" as you're referring to him was basically a gag character equivalent in purpose to a tarrasque.
Ok now my tism is satisfied. the problem with frank is that his power armor doesn't cover large areas of his body. Mainly his arms and collar/neck and the armpit/side and his mid to lower back areas are completly exposed. Frank is also used to just kinda tanking whatever and just not using any form of tactics so he does lack practical combat experience. A spacemarine has hundreds of years fighting experience and most of it being practical. Their bolter depending on ammo will just decimate him such as inferno, kraken, Vengeance, Stable Flux-Core, Implosion Rounds etc. then there's the power swords, axes etc and a 3 foot long blade from someone who isn't trained very well to use them is going to be easy to counter by someone who trains every day of their life to use melee and has been in constant war for hundreds of years TLDR I think Frank would lose because he lacks combat experience, reaction time and agility compared to the typical full battle brother. Plus franks armor is just steel, ceramic and "metal alloy" that doesn't cover much of is upper body edit, I forget the other bolter rounds name but it breaks down your body quickly at the genetic level. Literally ripping your DNA apart
Those are rare specialty rounds intended for use against Tyranids, which the Astartes would not be expecting to fight when they invade the Poseidon oil rig.
@Wolfstanus hellfite rounds are round that eats and burns the target inside their own armour so ye my dosh be on a sm instead of frank who lacks full armour coverage
@@theandice8152 again, he would lose based on a marines accuracy, reflexes and experience. A marine would just aim at the exposed parts of Harrigans body
While I totally think frankie would body a single marine, marines work well in squads like wolves so if this was a squad of marines it would def be the marines winning. eh its all semantics anyway great video man loved it!
@@LikeZoinksGangWay Nothing suggests that fallout plasma weapons are anywhere near 40k plasma weapons. 40k plasma gun discharges are as hot as the core of the sun upon impact. Is it logical? No, but it is what it is. Marine Power Armor can sometimes withstand that, which is, to be honest brutally impressive.
I'd definitely say that the matchup depends on the Marine and Chapter/Legion in question. A raw recruit would likely get pasted by Horrigan if they hadn't fought anything similar before, but a veteran would absolutely have faced things as scary as Frank before. Ork Meganobz, Necron Skorpekh Destroyers, Tau Battlesuits, Militarum Ogryn/Bullgryns and Eldar Wraithknights are all comparable to Frank but tend to exceed his abilities in one or more fields, but still get killed by regular Marines with experience. Not to mention the various unnatural abilities and upgrades displayed by different chapters, like Psychic powers, archeotech, and augmetic usage, any of which would tip the scales more drastically. Even in the 40k books, enemies with Plasma and Melta weapons (closest 40k weapons to Fallout Plasma) aren't unstoppable despite their tremendous damage potential, as marines typically have decades to centuries of battle experience and know how to exploit their weaknesses. Now, if the marine in question was a lightly-kitted scout or crowd-control melee fighter, I'd 100% admit that they're screwed since Frank's own weapons are solid all-rounders, but he lacks the power to instantly kill a standard Marine unless he got the drop on them
I think you're confusing wraith knight with wraith lord. A wraith knight would squish Frank like an ant because in comparison Frank is the size of an ant.
Imperium has 1 mill worlds yet the average space marine vet has fought the strongest unit from every single faction? X to fucking doubt. All my lore knowledge comes from Luetin, so correct me if im wrong. Don't these guys spend most their time fighting rebellious humans who are rarely a threat?
Frank is closer to being on par with a primarch than a space marine. And his weapon is superior to easily 95 percent of marines possible kit and that last 5 percent is a stretch for any space marine to have. I get you like wh but this isn't a contest. Horrigan might as well be a mini krork
@@casematecardinal HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Frank couldn't defeat a single marine in combat. A fully armoured space marine can run at nearly 60 mph or close to 100 kmh. A space marine's bones are made of fictional super metal, their armour too. And the standard issue boltgun would rip through frank's skin and armour like a 1000 degree knife through butter. As for your primarch statement. A thousand Frank's couldn't win against a single Primarch.
This. This is a really accurate matchup if im honest. No 40k OP bias this does both the Fallout Universe and 40k justice to their lore! You have earned a sub from me!
It’s not accurate at all lol. Super mutant enhancements and power armor, hell even a behemoth wouldn’t stand a chance against an astartes. Unnamed space marines have outperformed things much bigger than Frank in feats of sheer strength. A weapon wouldn’t even be needed.
@@codyjackson1875You’re joking right? An east coast super mutant Behemoth in Washington DC is around 20 to 30 feet tall and are made of nothing but pure FEV muscle, even Ogren are fiscally stronger than Astarties, I mean sure if they just shot it in the face with a Bolter then yea it would be a piece of cake but a melee engagement? Yeah no the gap in strength is just too much. As for Frank you do realize that he’s not just some dumb mutant or ork right? He’s actually a highly trained and professional soldier that was hand crafted by the Enclave. He’s 12 feet tall, constantly being pumped full of strength boosting chems like psycho and buffout and is equipped with a burst fire plasma cannon in no way is this an easy fight for the Marine.
@@Son_Kar Despite being at their best, a behemoth and frank, even teaming up, would lose against a naked space marine in seconds in just CQC, solely because they aren't anywhere near the same level of training or ability. They get wiped in seconds or less.
@@mobiusone6994 If an unarmored Space Marine went up against Frank Horrigan that Marine would get his teeth kicked in by Frank he’s not just some dumb ork who’s only strategy in a fight is just to swing wildly until he hits the guy. Yea sure he isn’t as fast and his reaction time would be around that of a normal human but he’s definitely not slow, he’s still leagues above the best of humans in terms of speed due to his mutations and enhancements. Even underneath his armor Frank is very durable, if a standard super mutant like Marcus can tank 7.62 rounds without much issue then Frank would definitely tank a Space Marines punches, both don’t even feel all that much pain and they don’t even seem to care about massive trauma like broken bones, missing limbs or deep cuts.
Frank, even if you doubled his armor, gets his shit rocked by an unarmored space marine. He's leagues above humans yes, but leagues below the hyper-enhanced superhuman space-marines of 40k. He doesn't have the muscle, speed, smarts, expertise, or experience that any space marine does. All he'd have going for him is his smarts, since his armor is, frankly, subpar even for some tech-raider on the least civilized worlds of 40k.@@Son_Kar
12ft tall is over primarch size or even the emperor depending on what size he is psychically projecting I think. This would be more interesting with a known space marine or even a custodies. Maybe Tyberos the Red Wake , Asterion Moloch, Sevator or Kharne. Versus a Eversor assassin would be pretty cool imo also.
Well yes Frank is 12 ft tall size isn’t everything and it’s not a good way of judging someone’s strength and speed, keep in mind that Frank has shown himself to be roughly on par with a space marine (which is insanely impressive considering that’s he’s operating in a post apocalypse) but even normal space marines tend to get to get absolutely destroyed with very little effort by some of the people on your list, just look at the Custodies they tend to kill normal marines so fast to the point where the marines can barely even see them. Also side note not all of the Primarch’s are around 9 feet tall most of them are just as tall as Frank and some are even taller than him, if you lined up all of the Primarch’s next to each other from shortest to tallest then Frank would end up somewhere in the middle.
@@Son_Kar yeah, against the common space marine, Frank wins for sure, now if we are talking about Russ, Horus, Magnus or even Guilliman, yeah, i don't think so
@@johnsupergeil7098 exactly, pick up the most normal no-name random space marine and yeah, Frank can kill him, but if we talk about the REAL space marines, mostly not
@@khadacoveiro1363 "well, if you pick one of these guys with PLOT ARMOR, then he might lose." frank lost to one tribal with plot armor. devs even admitted that it was only plot armor that beat frank. it has to be unnamed or there is no contest, perhaps match him up to a custodes or a thunder warrior?
"Regular ol' Boyz" is REEAAAAALLLY downplaying the threat of Orks. These are the remnants of the nightmares the Old Ones cooked up to deal with the Necrons and C'tan. Dying to a boy is a common occurence for a reason.
@@GigaChad-ym7jyhe literally stated a fact. Regular space marines do and have been defeated by Ork Boyz. That's just true. They are extremely powerful but they aren't invincible. This is coming from a huge warhammer fan too.
@@josephbutler4950 space marines always are in squads of 10 split in 2, one space marine sure maybe frank wins but that will never happen as they are a squad of 10 so with this information, no matter how stupid you people defending frank may be, he is not winning against space marine
Frank is probably on par with an Ork warboss, however, a killteam of Astartes would be armed with bolters, plas pistols, chain or power swords, and have reflexes to match even the quickest of franks movements.
@@l0sts0ul89 Thats mostly marketing. They are the "best" mass produced soldiers in the IoM. If you want the best you need to look at the Custodes and even better than them, the Primarchs.
im seeing quite a bit of misunderstanding about frank horrigan 1 no frank horrigan is not stupid, frank horrigan is insanely smart, the enclave scientists that made him have an intelligence stat of 9 he has a 10 in intelligence, putting him cannonicly above some of the greatest minds in the fallout universe 2 frank horrigan is absolutely not slow with an endurance of 10 and an agility of 10, would put him at an absurdly high reaction speed and running speed, with the size of his legs his stride would be masive and require fewer steps, he would aproximately be making steps of about 5 to 6 ft, that's almost 2 meters per, step 3 his power armor is custom fitted and grafted, and made to size, that doesn't just mean, it's regular power armor plating, actually it's plates aren't even standart issue, frank horrigan was fitted with the absolute BEST, the enclave had, that means he got top of the line, way thicker armor, way more powerfull armor, then your regular suit of power armor would ever be, even the best model of standart issue power armor can't hold a candle to frank horrigans suit, and normal power armor in fallout with what it can withstand is ABSURDLY durable. and he can take shots, from top of the line plasma casters, rocket launchers, the biggest guns you can find, and gaus snipers, the strongest weapons in fallout 2, take many, many shots to take him down 4 a fallout plasma pistol, can in fallout lore, turn someone into goop, in one shot, these shots get stronger, the bigger, the more advanced the plasma weapon is. if a plasma pistol, can do that, a plasma riffle, should be doing MUCH more damage due to it's capacity to put in more power, then we move up to a standart issue, plasma caster, this would be the point where you aren't just melting holes through tanks instantly, but fully dissintigrating them, and that is a standart issue plasma caster. frank horrigan has a custom made, fitted to size, high end top of the line plasma caster, that means it is not only far above the normal standart issue plasma caster, but also bigger, more able to put in more energy into it's shots, and this man fires it, A LOT. 5 Frank horrigan isn't just, a super mutant in a suit, and not just underwent biological altering experiments, he recieved tech implants aswell that enhanced everything that was there immensely, and that was BEFORE, they put him in a power armor that enhanced him even more. he's not just a behemoth, he is a behemoth the enclave pushed and pushed with experiment uppon experiment, i bet he could punch a regular behemoth to death in a single blow. i hope i gave some usefull information ^^
1. Frank horrigan IS stupid the Vs Battle wiki describes him as being below average in intelligence before exposure to FEV which further damaged his intellect a majority of the time those Fallout numbers are meaningless to describe actual strengths. Meanwhile Astartes possessed enhanced intelligence and have implanted knowledge combined with decades to centuries of fighting experience and can react to and process information in nanoseconds. 2. Frank's speed and reaction time is quick being around peak human but that's laughably slow compared to an Astartes subsonic and hypersonic reaction speeds. In Tales of Heresy pg. 304 a sprinting Astartes is described as "covering half a dozen meters with every pace." Can jump 4 meters standing still, and crossing 10 meters and vaults a table in the time it takes a human heart to beat also faster than the eye can track. 3.The absolute best in power armor from a pre interstellar civilization isn't really saying much and when it's made out of early to late Cold War era tech whereas 40k power armor is using fictional sci fi materials of IMMENSE quality compared to wasteland tech. I can very easily see krak missiles krak grenades, plasma guns, melta, lascannons, graviton, heavy bolters and heavy flamers bringing him down or any unique bolter round ammunition like kraken you name it. 40k weapons can easily compare to some of the strongest weapons in Fallout. 4. As some 40k commentators have pointed out Fallout plasma does not compare to 40k plasma which casually atomizes large humanoid targets like Astartes or atomize a certain 12 ft tall mutant and power armor ceramite is resistant to energy weapons like las fire. Annihilating a tank with such a weapon is really just a given. 5. Nothing you said would compare to the enhancements that an Astartes would receive gifted to him by the Emperor of Mankind and with some of the best surviving scientists from the Dark Age of tech outside of armor the Marine is stronger, faster, more durable, intelligent, and can fight for days without rest. Inside the armor the Marine's strength is multiplied tenfold. There really should be no comparison with a random hideous mutation born from a mistake versus perfect gene engineering crafted by a literal demi god of the human race and ancient scientists carrying secrets and findings from the peak of technological growth from a civilization that largely controlled the whole galaxy. I'm just here to correct some misunderstandings about Space Marines that i'm seeing pretty often that's all.
@@kaeldavidson6898 Im really not if I knew an Astartes couldn't win here then I wouldn't have said anything the info I said is really not that special it should just be something people should know. People give way too much credit to Frank though thinking he's actually stronger just because he's bigger and taller but it's really the opposite. I honestly thought the fight was much closer before I researched more and came to my conclusion.
Is that so? Then Mama Murphy will fold Frank in half because she has 19 strength. Ulysses will will too since his stat is max and has higher health. Dont confuse gameplay with lore, in the game he's mentioned as being dumb and loyal.
Plasma and laser weapon technologies are seriously potent relative to Fallout's timeline of development relative to other sci-fi technology advancement. Frank's armor (And power armor to an extent), can withstand these forces incredibly well for long periods of time. Considering that plasma weapons can totally "goo-ify" organic matter, and laser weapons can immolate to ash, Fallout's armor technology is doubly impressive.
I think the space metals would tank the plasma weapons relatively well, ceramite is a ceramic like material and Tau pulse rifles tend to require massed fire to take down a Space Marine.
It’s a bit more complicated than that, Fallout’s standard plasma rifles are comparable to 40k plasma in that they are as hot as a sun and that they are capable of turning an entire man into goop and the Plasma Caster is a heavy weapons version of that and it’s considerably better then you’ve got Franks version of the Plasma Caster which has been scaled up to his size to the point where it’s basically a burst fire cannon.
Tau plasma weapons literally rip through Space Marine armour like butter. In the recent Sea of Souls novel it takes not even half a dozen pulse carbine shots to kill a _Terminator._ One of them is a lucky headshot and he's gone, instantly. The others just drill through his chest armour with no effort.
Some Fallout tech is frankly absurd, like handheld lasers that can disintegrate people's entire bodies. It's weird because imo the top tier Fallout tech is the sort of stuff Golden Age of Technology humanity would be using, while the bottom tier are literally pipes taped together.
@@libertylemonz7145 I was talking about laser weaponry not plasma but there's guns in the imperium that atomize you soo hard nothing it's left of you not even the atoms and others that literally shoot beams of antimatter or dark matter
@@XD-sc4ix how how many of those weapons can the imperium mass produce? the imperial's best weapons are made by literal orangutans because the imperium doesn't know how it's own tech works lmao sure maybe some magos or inquisitor somewhere has a gun that can shoot dark matter, but your average soldier in 40k is holding a glorified flashlight. in comparison the average, say, brotherhood of steel soldier is holding a portable nuclear reactor that can vaporize someone with one shot
Yeah they tend to get absolutely insufferable at times, a guy even got into an argument with me in one of the comments on the video because I suggested that Fallout laser rifles tend to hit harder than Laz guns even though I gave almost all of the other advantages to the Laz gun.
@@Son_Kar They pride themselves on liking something super grim and super dark but shit themselves when they meet someone who doesn't wanna join in on their circle jerk. Maybe it's just one big elaborate cosplay of the Imperium, and if so they're pulling it off masterfully.
@@sundown6806 No I think it’s because they come into 40k after being told that it’s the most overpowered and darkest si-fi ever with super weapons and powerful magic user’s around every corner only to find out that 95 percent of that tech is gone and that 40k mainly has tech compatible to Halo and Fallout so they gaslight themselves into thinking 40k is a lot more powerful than it actually is to avoid looking like idiots.
@@Son_Kar True actually. The main theme of 40k is ruin and decay and how far the Imperium has fallen from grace, so to kit out a space marine with the best possible weaponry they could think of kinda defeats the whole purpose.
@@sundown6806That’s actually why I like both settings, if you stuck Fallout into 40k it wouldn’t feel out of place at all in fact it would probably fit right in, in almost every way.
Frank is the pinnacle of power in Fallout universe, but in w40k he is nothing more than an Ork in a Power Armour, which would be like a 3 in a scale of 1 to 10.
No, he's honestly more of a Thunder Warrior. He's a superhuman mutant beast which outclasses an Astartes physically, and was made in a wasteland of an Earth after a golden age.
Sadly Death Battle would only put Frank up against a named space marine and not your run of the mill no named marine and besides if Frank ever got on to death battle he would probably end up fighting Adam Smasher from cyberpunk 2077 because that’s his most popular matchup.
@@Son_Kar Putting frank up against an unnamed space marine would be like putting courier 6 against an unnamed guardsman. It wouldn't be fair by a longshot.
@@Swordsoulreaver True but named Space Marines like Dante, Sigusmend and Tyberos the Redwake all make the standard Marines look like children in comparison and Frank is roughly on par with the standard ones.
I love this, but problem with these versus match ups is that they always take a regular line Astartes vs some super badass like Master Chief or Frank who are really the pinnacle of their respective universe. You gotta at least make it a Space Marine Captain with better gear like say an Iron Halo, Plasma pistol or a Power Sword. Space Marine Chapters let alone Legions are too diverse of a unit to really just pick their most baseline unit and pit them up against supreme badasses.
Okay, so browsing through the comments--to save people time--it seems that you have A) Space Marine win, because power-fantasy and 'superior experience' or B) Frank wins because he evens out any tech advantage and he's so damn big. And even then you'll have the people who will reach as deep as they want in the 40k lore to pull something Marine-shaped to beat Frank, just because. Blah blah blah, it just keeps confirming something that I notice in these 'who would win fights'--40k is consistently the brute-force faction. It's, kinda shocking how that seems to be 40k's overall gimmick, brute force. Maybe it's from all the Khorne-poisoning...
40k is a setting where marines can go as low as 30 points, and armies are worth 1000 or more points. You need to wake up and understand that 40k just doesn't care about your plucky sense of rebellion. It is not designed to make rebelling seem fun or heroic, or make freedom fighters look capable, and cool. It isn't about people with names. It is a universe designed to fill you with dread, and represent different groups at their mythological and technological zenith and beyond. Then people get pissy when said fantasy setting doesn't play nice in power scaling competitions, as if that were its problem. 40k has been playing an _internal_ power scaling competition for almost 50 years now.
it really just depends about WHAT space marine are we talking about, there's only one Frank, but a space marine? we can go from a "normal" one to a fuckin primarch
In terms of advantages for both it would probably look like this. Frank Horrigan with standard equipment: Stronger, height advantage, reach advantage, better gun, chem injectors (most likely giving him psycho, buffout, med x and maybe turbo but unlikely). Space Marine with standard Bolt gun, Chain-sword and plasma pistol: Faster, better melee weapon, better armour, more experienced, better reaction time, smarter (depending on the chapter). Equally matched: intelligence, most space marines are intelligent professional soldiers but close to 35 percent of them are bloodthirsty savages or mentally unstable morons that like to charge head first into melee combat, Frank Horrigan is also mentally unstable and pretty dumb but he’s more of a psychopath than an idiot and he’s also a professional soldier that’s why he prefers to attack from range instead of charging into melee. Endurance: out of armor both are basically bulletproof and they don’t really feel any pain for the most part.
@@codyjackson1875 yeah I’ve seen plenty of videos on Space Marine feat’s and I also know that they tend to get killed by those same threats repeatedly especially when they do something stupid like running off on their own.
My issue with Horrigan has always been his exposed biceps. Bolter's with their timed detonations are very affective against large unarmed flesh, waiting to detonate until deep inside their target for maximum damage. A space marine would target this weak point instantly, likely taking out both of his arms before the fight even started. It's just the OP nature of advanced sci-fi tech not the capabilities of the individual. Also a space marines reflexes are superhuman while Frank's are average or slightly above. His special stats are also not cannon as he's said to be pretty stupid but still has 10 INT, this has been stated repeatedly by the devs. Also Frank isn't a skilled fighter, much like Homelander he's made it so far relying on his unrivaled strength and endurance never needing to learn skill or finesse.
Honestly I don’t think that Frank’s arms being un armoured would make that much of a difference because both Frank’s and the Space Marines armour aren’t going to offer much protection against each other’s weapons with the Marines Bolter being easily able to pierce Frank’s armour after maybe 1 shot and Frank’s burst fire Plasma cannon also wouldn’t have that much difficulty in melting through the Marines armour.
@@Mirthful_Midoritrue, but how much experience can you get being in power armor going up against wastlelanders. He was basically a prison guard who got exposed to FEV Much like Vietnam vs Afghanistan, you don’t get hardened fighters from the occasional pot shot and peace keeping with civilians. Jungle fighting will bread jungle fighters, but frank wasn’t it.
Horrigan would do okay in 40K. Not great, he's a bit slow and weak in melee by their standards, but he'd do fine. There's space marines that could kill him, and ones he could kill; which is actually a damn impressive statement by 40K terms. I still love the moment in the Rogue Trader game where you meet a chaos marine for the first time, and if you're not incredibly careful your entire team of elite soldiers/psykers can wipe almost immediately. I had to reduce the difficulty to beat that part in the beta.
I’d say he’s a bit slow for 40k but he’s not that slow in comparison, your average Marine can run at what? Around 60 mph Frank can move at around 24, 30 or maybe even 40 mph so he’s not that slow and in melee he would be a beast.
As a Warhammer 40k fan who is... Eh, moderately-highly versed in the lore. Id say that the fight would be nearly impossible for frank, and quite difficult for the space marine. if it was a basic space marine with the typical bolter and chainsword it could go either way(like those fight animations where neither team loses or wins). but switch that bolter to a plasma gun, or the chainsword to a power sword, or heck give the space marine a name. Frank is losing 100%.
Classic 40k response of "give a space marine the ultra rare superweapons that only go to the top .01% and they win" give a pesant from modern england a button connected to a nuke and the peasant wins dude the stamdard gear isnt a plasma gun
I feel like Frank is someone you'd run into during the Age of Strife, maybe an attempt to reverse engineer the Emperor's Thunder Warriors by Merica. I'd love to see a Frank Horrigan v Thunder Warrior matchup!
Frank is basically a Thunder Warrior in almost every way except he’s a bit bigger than a Primarch in fact Frank could mistaken as the Mutant Primarch of the Thunder Warriors
1v1 is probably in horrigans favor with two space marines than space marines would win i imagine, also depends on the arsenal of the said space marine.
I think we shouldnt be ignoring the Mutie in the room. Frank Horrigan has exposed flesh. A space marine even if they are batshit insane, have some decent surgical acumen with their attacks. I would say the faster and more shootier the Spess Mareen, the better chance they have against Frank. If you shoot off his arms with those .75 Cal Gyrojet with Delayed Explosive payloads known as Boltshells, you could conceivably rip it off and disassemble Frankyboy bit by bit. Id say a Salamander would probably bite it, same for a more Melee focused UltraSmurf, a Imperial Fist, Black Templar, and a Space Wolf. A Whitescar could do the job, Ravenguard too especially if they can wraithslip. Space Marines are also known to have basically Twitch Reflexes and by basically hipfiring they can at least in lore, sweep out lesser foes in a blink of an eye with pinpoint accuracy. They are described as being too fast for their size, and in equal measure much too strong. I would imagine Frank would have a hard time pinning them down, but if he can get a bead on them, they might be in trouble
Really depends on what you measure the speeds are. Frank horrigan has 10 on all stats, and space marines are definitely fast goes for Astartes. yeaa the exposed arms really fuck up frank horrigan here but i still find it that one Astartes can lose, their speed is incredible but on actual dura if theyre taking the hit a tank round from modern times dead center will take the Astartes out. I know there's apparently captains thats a whole different story than an unnamed space marine. if there's three space marines they'll win with teamwork
I would Frank as the Space Marine may be fast but that Frank just needs a Stomp. Also for as strong as space marines are, they die alot to things they should be able to handle (Necrons make sense)
The lasgun is remarkably similar to the Fallout Laser rifle. Albeit, the lasgun can be set for [depending on model of course.] More penetration, something the Fallout laser lacks. This is not to decry either weapon for being weak. If the fallout laser rifle is properly maintained and kept in good supply, it should be able to operate against Infantry who are more properly armored than your average Raider. And fits in neatly against anyone not in heavy infantry equipment [NOT fallout power armor. Grenadier infantry and the ilk.] The fallout laser rifle would fit in neatly in some Planetary Defense Garrisons, specifically those having to deal with local unrest, though might struggle against Flak. Something most lasguns tend to do if they aren't going for a higher charge. I'd rate the Power armor in fallout to be human equivalent, if maybe a bit earlier. Though the size of Frank plays a part in it. I'd probably rate the Fallout anti material rifle to be, a bit more substandard than the T'au equivalent. Frank's probably tossing around a lot of, well. Probably not technologically equivalent plasma, which admittedly is going to be 'less good' than put up against an example from someone who wasn't nuked back to the stone age. But it's still plasma. Bolt explosives aren't going to do it, it's pretty clear just by looking at Frank that he's, probably at least as tough as an ogryn [We of course know he's tougher than that.] So slapping him with bolts isn't going to do it, but I could see an application of a krak grenade, the equivalent of an anti tank grenade [Of course there's bigger versions Like Melta- which the space marine will probably switch to pretty fast if able.] With Franks in-game stats. I do think he's faster in lore then what he's represented by. But I also think he's one of the smartest combatants in the game from his stats as well. At the very least very educated by human standards. The power sword I could see penetrating Frank real well though, but I also feel like an ogryn in power armor slapping a space marine results in the space marine Dying. And Frank's a lot better than that.
Just thought I'd throw this out there, last time Fallouts energy weapons were taken into account and properly calculated via in game lore and feats, they were said to Burn at around 25,000 to 50,000 Celsius. Which makes sense.
@@preachymink9468 I honestly really don't have a head for science, but I do know that melting someone by hitting them once with the funny lasergun happens in both series, and from my limited understanding of science, instantly combusting someone isn't a 'little' amount of energy.
@@casematecardinal Ah, But are you familiar with Kharn the betrayer being killed by a Brick? RPG Mechanic comparison, from fallout to the variations of Lasgun. Most of what your shooting at with a laser is lightly armored targets, your raiders, rad scorpions, big ants, and yes the supermutants who didn't strap metal to themselves. As, technically a lasgun can wound a titan if you roll enough Sixes in a similiar vein. Or by a T'au hitting them in tabletop with the butt end of their rifle. We'll set aside the wargaming aspect and focus on the RPG aspects- as fallout is. Critical mechanics do play a factor into things, it also depends on what your shooting at, if your referring to the fallout laser doing it, we also have to compare it to the other Game example: Darktide, you can instantly set a person on fire by tapping their foot with the least powered recon las in existence [infernius perk on the rifle nat] , without mentioning house Esher, who can acquire Hotshot variants [Aka the variant that can probably mostly penetrate a brotherhood of steel paladin suit, same as it can mostly penetrate a space marine's ceramite.] But the main thing is, the fallout laser isn't well known for Penetrating. If you upcharge the lasgun, you can penetrate Flak pretty well. And, depending on the variation of lasgun, you also can kill unarmored [Or 'lightly armored' fallout raiders] in one clean shot, not to mention what happens in both universes when the mystical 'circumstances' and 'chance' play into a factor, as you are *still* hitting them with an energy based weapon in both settings. The upper bounds of which include superheating the target's brain and causing it to detonate. Or vaporizing their arm off. I'd suggest you'd look into the Fantasy flight RPGs for the critical mechanics there, though full body vaporization isn't there, the lasgun - Nor laser gatling [Perhaps more comparable to a multilas in choice of equipment. Except a man ported multi las could kill a space marine, a Laser gatling in fallout is more meant to deal with targets who aren't in equivalent power armor.] would be playing a factor. But instantly cooking a person with a lasgun is in the cards. Or again, vaporizing an arm. With the arm's occupant dying of shock after.
@nonya1366 I can't really speak to the tabletop but just based on the properties of the two weapons. I get the impression that lazguns being able to penetrate things is not so much a boon as it is an artifact of a less powerful laser focused into an extremely small beam to make up for its lack of power. The laser weapons in fallout, by contrast, have a much more potent power source as well as a far larger emitter, meaning when they hit something, the energy is imparted instantaneously on the surface which degrades armor extremely quickly and causes massive heat shock to the area.
I think a more fair 1v1 would be frank vs a Thunder warrior. Theyre like prototype astartes, much stronger but they had space cancer so big E put em down.
Bro, he fucking fought a team of elite soldiers is top tier power armour, 7 turrets and the chosen one all at once and it was a close fight, he would crumple a space marine, I love both franchises, trust me when I say the Astartes don’t come out on top
@themrlupo3591 it's proof you don't know what your talking about, nothing in the fallout verse comes close to the firepower in 40k. A basic guardsmen lasgun is better then any weapon in fallout. Any verse still using normal ballistic weapons stands no chance
I see people mad that he said Frank wins, but look, that is just 1average space marine of the Ultramarine variant. against an experienced Gray Knight or even just 2 Space marines, Franks chances go down dramatically. Don't even have to get started on a Custodes or any named character who would demolish Frank
Biggest points of contention for me; Space Marine's aim is bot-like, it's like aim hacks, they do actually just, *ping, ping, ping,* vastly more effectively than any wasteland survivalist is going to be able to shoot. Now, in a low-intel situation, I do give Frank an edge, you are correct, Plasma weapons are pretty high tier in Warhammer (though as others have pointed out, its Necron Gauss weapons that really one-shot Space Marines, and they are a completely different type of weapon frankly). Whether or not a Space Marine is going to recognize his weapon as a plasma weapon is a bit of a toss up based on the differences between settings, but given that Space Marines live for hundreds of years and are all high grade tactical minds, I lean towards the Marine recognizing the weapon as a potential serious threat and bounding around, keeping good cover between him and Frank. Assuming more standard equipment, it's a slow, dangerous battle that I'd give the Space Marine a 6/10 chance of winning, but if its a more "special" Space Marine, with better equipment? I doubt Frank's chances, something like Volkite or Melta weapons are gonna ruin his day in a flash, and any Power Weapon is going to shear through him with 0 resistance. Power weapons can comfortably be assumed to cut through any modern or even more advanced materials without energy shielding or special properties, simply pushing molecules apart with ease. Volkite doesn't care how hard your armor is really, and Melta's create a chain reaction that will turn Frank's armor (which is part of him) to slag. This is a pretty good video man, I enjoyed it!
5:49 "Unless you think the chosen one was using..." Interestingly, the battle between the Chosen One and Frank Horrigan is one of the rare examples where a canon feat can't be used for power-scaling, because Chris Avellone has stated that there's actually no way in-universe for the Chosen One to have won that battle, and his victory is nothing but plot armour. So, for all intents-and-purposes, his feats should be calc'd as if the Chosen One *lost*.
i think it'd be the opposite the marine in favor of a ranged engagement and horrigan in favor of CQB, because the marines targeting system in his helmet would be far better than anything horrigan got.
I agree with the comparison though he might beat a normal astartes still it won't be an easy task, BUT there are exceptional space marines, like the rights of Tyberos, Asterion Moloc, Logan Grimner, Dante, etc they can defeat Frank imo and for some could be easy
It is actually a very grim and dark setting with some pretty destructive wars that happened in universe it’s just that it lacks a large population for all of that destructive weaponry to make use of and find all of the most powerful weaponry that’s still lying around.
I think a group of brotherhood of steel defiantly fighting off a.mega horde of ghouls could be a cool set piece. Maybe a think tank gone wrong cloning experiment unleashes the Mega hordes on a settlement and the brother has to help them?.
What a way to live up to the channel name
what are you yapping about i know that space marines are very strong but frank is on another level (for instance a space marine captan could kill him with relative ease ) but i think it would take 2 or 3 normi marines or like one with a devastator loadout frank is strong but he has his limits. I think that he would be on the level of a weak daemon prince without you know all of the chaos shit
him verse a dreadnought on the other hand is like an apc verses a body builder all that strength is only going to help you so much
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@@LucasHelson if they just stand still and shoot at each other maybe. But just because that's Frankie's modus operandi doesn't mean the space marine will play along. In fact, any space marine equivalent from any other IP, such as master chief, that has to deal with aliens will probably beat Frank. For three very simple reasons.
1. Frank is stupid, we are told this with his low int stat.
2. Frank is a bully. He's been fighting things that cannot harm him the entire time, the strongest things he has to worry about are deathclaws, which despite being dangerous are still animals that aren't really a threat to him.
3. Which leads nicely to the final point. Frank has little to no experience fighting enemies of his calibre. This makes him arrogant and why he loses to the MC in the end.
See, a 40k marine despite being really op in terms of stats are actually pretty run of the mill in the 30k and 40k universe. They fight enemies that will beat their asses in a straight up fight all the time. The eldar while weaker are faster than them, the necrons are slower but are just as strong and infinitely tougher with their resurrection, ork nobz are straight up better than Marines, the list goes on and on, and by the time a scout earns their power armour, they would have killed plenty of these enemies superior to themselves. Heck, a lot of them are born and lived in death worlds where they have to hunt creatures no less dangerous than deathclaws as prepubescent children just to survive.
But in the end, these kind of cross IP analysis just boils down to who you like better most of the time. And is honestly cringe tism that makes 4chan posters look like balanced individual, hence why it's bad. I like to wade into this cesspool from time to time but honestly it's not something that I can stay in Long term lol.
@@jellydamgood Frank has 10 to all of his stats, including intelligence. Dont know where you got that it was low, thats the maximum.
But I do tend to think that an astartes would wipe the floor with frank.
In the W40K Book "The First Heretic," Chainswords are told to not be able to penetrate armor well, but skilled users know to aim for the flexible joints, where the digging teeth can rip through easier. This was noted from a Space Marine Sergeant.
I should have worded that more like I did for the 50 cal true but games workshop holds cannon lose so games can be taken more seriously aand I said space marines could they are high iq enough to go for weak points
Also it's easier when the chainsword is wielded by a space marine because they have the strength to shove the chainsword deeper than a human would ever be able to
@badanalysis1 this is exactly right. It depends on who is writing it and who you wanna believe. Chain swords are often said to be made specifically to chew through armor but again its a question of which is MORE canon
Realistically speaking I can't imagine a more useless weapon to use against armour than a chainsword or any variation of a chainsaw, any sort of metal armour would stop that shit immediately.
@@llamasteve8376are you aware that there are metal chainsaws?
Most commonly used by forefighters if they need to rescue someone from smashed car.
"HERESY! WHO DARES DEFY OUR EMPEROR!?"
*"Me. Frank Horrigan. **_That's who."_*
Sounds like something Frank would say
I wonder if he could beat Adam smasher
"Your ride's over, corpse-emperor. Time to die."
@@AurelionSass _Frank, standing over the bones of the God-Emperor of Man and the wreckage of his corpse-throne_
*"Well, it's a little after 12. Who's up for some lunch?"*
@@AurelionSass He absolutely wouldn't change his famous speech. Space Marines are mutants, so "mutie" works perfectly.
also frank was only defeated by the chosen one, several turrets, and an elite enclave kill squad who are packing the same armor he is AND the only one to make it out alive was the chosen one.
Chosen one is controlled by us meaning he had plot armor, we are not controlling the space marine
@@thegrimgripper8416 Unironically the Devs stated that the reason that the Chosen One was able to win is plot armor, and that realistically Frank would mulch everybody in the room and then survive the Rig exploding.
Correction : Marcus the Super Mutant also made it out with him (canonised in fallout nv)
@@DarthAwesome117^ this
@@indeed1881 I don't understand?
A really REALLY important point: You keep showing Necrons, with their Space-Marine-One-Shotting standard weapons every time you mention plasma weapons, but Necrons don't use plasma weaponry at all, they use "Gauss" weapons. Granted, that's a misnaming on GW's part, but they are NOT plasma weapons. They don't function like the plasma weapons in the setting at all. Gauss weapons don't melt or goopify their targets, they disassemble it, which is why Necron weapons care so little about armour thickness, composition, etc.
Honestly just did it cause it was green and goops people but yes you are right 100%
It's kinda funny that he showed Gauss rifles, because Fallout 2's Gauss Rifle is the best small gun in the game. It also completely ignored armor, which is why sniper builds are a bit OP.
They are linear induction motors that pull the target toward the weapon at the molecular level which accounts for the "flaying effect". The Necrontyr bent physics and science over a table and made them their plaything after they discovered the C'tan. I love how people constantly misinterpret their race being only 64 million years old. Lemme explain. That's when the War in Heaven ended which lasted for a billion or two billion years. The Necrontyr are the second form of sentient life to exist in our primordial galaxy, eons after its creation. The other, first and original race were the Old Ones.
Anyways I have a lot of trouble even seeing a space marine going up against Frank. I could see him killing a new recruit, not one that's a veteran Astartes.
@@Mirthful_Midori as far as i remember, gauss pistol is op, not the rifle. 6 eye shots per turn is way better than 4. The only other two weapons in the game good enough for me were pulse rifle for sniping purposes, and bozar for sheer power (although its ammo consuption was insane, almost making it unusable in the long run)
@@aleksandrneprimerov278 At least the Bozar had plenty of ammo. The Vindicator minigun was the one that ate too much rare ammo.
I suppose I should've tried the Gauss Pistol, but I managed to do really well with the rifle. The range was really insane too.
I wish there was a Frank Horrigan mod for fallout 4
There used to be one, but I can't find it.
Yeah it was awesome! They showed clips of it in this video!
I use to have a companion one
There IS in a sense, but iirc its just an armor mod for Strong. So. Not quite.
@lordbrian9187 ua-cam.com/video/NZALCWjZADw/v-deo.html fallout 2, ua-cam.com/video/GAJG9l5_TE0/v-deo.html fallout 1
Forgot to mention that the power sword has a power field around the blade that can split objects at a molecular level so maybe the space marine has a chance with one
or he can maybe pull out a krak grenade even a meltagun
A reminder though, power swords are decently rare even for astaries. They would more likely be carrying a combat knife or chain sword
If the space marine has a power sword chances are that said spacemarine is a named one, which basically means they're guaranteed a win anyways
@@jakejohnson718 no not technically a spacemarine with a power sword is usually a warrior of great skill and has survived contless campaigns and fought some of the greatest enemies of the 40k universe and is usually given yo veterans such 1st company who are marines who have survived and worked thier way up the ranks but like you said they're rare among astartes because the materials to make one power sword could make over 100 chainswords snd there are very few people who know how to craft them and most power swords spacemarines use are passed down from warriors who were very skilled but died in battle or are relics from the horus heresy so the spacemarine doesn't have to be named
@@user-ex1bx3hd8l no one is reading all that 🤓
I feel like a squad of scouts would honestly do better against frank than a regular marine, or like 3 scouts with some heavy weapons which they are known and shown to use. I loved this video keep it up hope these become regular
Yea totally agree more than 2 its over
Let's not forget The Chosen One is, well, THE CHOSEN ONE. He's basically the John-117 of Fallout.
Bear in mind, the only reason The Chosen One defeated Frank Horrigan was because Plot Armor as said by the devs themselves. Frank can only lose to plot armor, change my mind.
@@weasel003gaming7 So Frank gets hard-countered by any Ultramarine?
@@youraverageshitposter9083 If they're named, possibly.
@@youraverageshitposter9083 if theyre named, sure, if its an unnamed ultramarine he guns the poor bastard down as he charges from 300 foot away screaming with a chainsaw sword in an effort to get into glorious melee
well speaking of john 117, bro he would stomp the fuck out of horrigan
You forget that Frank Horrigan isn’t just a super mutant, but practically a “smart”, elite training, behemoth in unmatched power armor. All his stats are max in the fight with the Chosen one.
Still pales in comparison to Astartes enhancements and space marine power armor.
@codyjackson1875 you are way overestimating a space marine. Horrigan is most analogous to an ork warboss in strength. You know the kind of ork thay cn throw a space marine around Ike a rag doll
@@casematecardinal Horrigan is more so like a normal ork, definitely not a warboss. On that note, fairly certain a single member of the catachan fighters would solo his ass.
@@mobiusone6994 he's twelve feet tall and, made of super enhanced muscle coated in power armor. He'd rip a catachin in half with 4 fingers
@@casematecardinal That's it? Only 12 feet tall with some muscle and horrible armor? Yeah a Catatchan would rip him a new one immediately upon contact, no question.
See all of you Warhammer fanboys are forgetting one thing
Frank Horrigan is named therefor, he wins!
Yea pretty much every franchise has that 1 Space Marines type character or unit. Fallout has Frank Horrigan, Cyberpunk 2077 has Adam Smasher, Halo with the Spartan 2’s.
Yeaaaah... keep discussing fow what franchise is better is like... uhm, "bro, go touch some grass". Nobody cares about your "my franchise is better" is like . . . How say it?
"Look this meme i did warhammer 40K fan, i put myself has the CHAD and you like the Virgin". And SAAAAAME with all franchise, especially Doom cuz that one guy is a Gary Stu... Epic, but Gary Stu anyways.
I mean, i am just a Fan of Uktrakill and i am not saying "V1 roast Fallout universe and 40K too" . Go touch some grass, is healthy.
Unnamed Space Marine loads Kraken rounds.
Frank dies instantly.
@dakotacontact-tn3hh I actually don't know what you're saying. Bro really doin' the crazed babble of an Arco-Flaggellant irl
@anon4854 Frank's helmet flies off
Then, by the laws of (plot coherence and author bias) the warp he revives and kills 5 Space Marines, with one hand because idk named character's be like that in 40k
This matchup, despite being between two super soldiers with ridiculous stats, is ultimately decided by what gun each of them brings. Sure, Frank has his standard gun by default, but what about the Marine? With a Flamer, bolt pistol and knife it’s such an unfair fight for the Marine, but the second you swap that Flamer for a Grav Gun Frank’s 12 foot ass is getting smooshed.
That's the case with every super soldier fight that's why the concept is stupid.
Stuff like "can a spartan kill a space marine" or vice versa is stupid when you consider that both can be killed by regular human beings or grunts.
Everything dies to a spartan laser or a meltagun.
@@PeachDragon_difference is there are so many different space marine units it all depends what one is there
Mini nuke launcher
Tht "standard" gun isn't standard
@@austinbutcher8106 It’s standard to Frank’s kit
Unnamed space marine gets obliterated, named space marines uh it depends it can go from being equally matched to horrigan loosing
Named space Marines suffer what is know as Ultramarine/Caldor Draigo syndrome
Agree
If it's a named marine without a helmet then Horrigan will loose 99% of the time. Remember if you want to live to your millennia as a space marine, get a name and refuse to wear a helmet EVER!
Normal Astartes can also win IF there is no time limit and they're not caged in a room with Horrigan.
@@user-fn8jo2mo2d What about Malum Caedo
Isn't Frank's armour like-semi grafted to him, as in he has mechanical joints and stuff? Feel like his bionics, which fallout has and I'm pretty sure Frank has should've been noted.
It really doesn't matter.
@@FerunaLutelouYou're saying one of the absolute most _important_ factors of a fight, movement, is not at all important?
@@blacktemplar1139 it doesn't impact movement
@@FerunaLutelou You need to be able to move your joints in order to create movement, so yes, it very much _does_ matter
@@blacktemplar1139 I’m pretty sure Frank’s cybernetics aren’t really meant to enhance him, they were mainly meant to keep him functioning. He has a bionic eye but we don’t know anything about that and the mechanical joints that he has built into him that were mainly ment to help Frank move around because he was too heavy to move himself around.
The fact frank outweighs a space marine by an entire ton while only being a few feet taller should say a lot. Dudes basically an intelligent ork in space marine armor with a necron gun...and is also a combination of the three without his gear too
If he was only a few stories taller he would be a kork
Hes 12 ft tall hes as tall as a primarch
@@austinbutcher8106he’s over a foot taller than any of the primarchs
YOU'VE GOTTEN PRETTY FAR LITTLE HUMIE! BUT TEN YOU AIN'T FOUGHT FANG WAAAAGH-AGAIN BEFORE HAVE YOU!
@@kalebb1226YOUS GOT FAR, LIT'LE HUMIE! BUT ITS NOT LIKE YOU SEEN FANG WAAAGH-RIGGA BEFORE!!
One bloodraven squad, and Frank is in trouble.
Frank " WHERE DID MY SHIT GO!?"
Bloodraven " Ours"
Frank ok un digtizes more gear
I am torn between my love of fallout and warhammer.honestly I could see horrigan killing a big standard space marine but it’s not even close to an easy fight
Considering he is to a space marine what a space marine is to a normal man technically even more so. He'd absolutely one shot a space marine with his weapons and easily overpower one in cqb. It would definitely be an easy fight
I don't think cqc would be easy for frank do to the sm's speed
@@kalebb1226 cqc is a fictional martial art from metal gear solid
@@casematecardinal close quarters combat
Aka melee
@@kalebb1226 he'd curb stomp a space marine in melee.
When the "Goku vs Superman" kid grows up
Real
His name is bad annalysis for a reason
The Emporer won't save you from a crackhead off 40 psycho with a pipe rifle (this post was made by chem gang)
The Savlar Chem-Dogs would like a word with you.
Yeah, I know, he won't need to
To be fair, Hive Citys run by Gangers (which are essentially Fallout Raiders in space) in 40k are pretty terrifying, even for a Space Marine.
And if it's a legendary one with the Bleed status, you're cooked.
I feel like the Emperor has fought guys like that during the Unification of Terra
A Space Marine with a Vulkite or a Melta would probably have an excellent chance against Frank. Also, Lascannon, or Krak Rounds which are Adamantine Penetraters, a material that Frank's armor counld never have been designed to withstand. Also, every single Battle Brother has more on Field Battle Experience than Frank, at least Decades by the time they are 50 years old, and many Battle Brothers are 100 or more years old, and have fought stuff like Frank before,namely Chaos Space Marines, they would probably be amazed at how slow he was, and how brittle his armor was, mistaking him for a terminator kr dreadnought.
I mean there are chaos marines that have been around since the great crusade, more than 10 thousand years old plus time in the warp
You need to consider that fusion power isn’t a concept explored in 40k.
I remember reading somewhere that a misfire from a plasma gun in fallout has enough energy to destroy a block.
“Plasma” is quite literally hotter than the surface of the sun. Space Marines have good armour, but it isn’t designed for that shit no matter what GW says.
Not only that, but the dude’s strength is off the charts, not only is he bigger than a space marine, he’s capable of lifting twice as much at a minimum.
Horrigan would wreck an average Space Marine in a 1v1. If the Courier can punch the head off a death claw in 1 hit (a feat which is pretty on par with space marines considering Death Claws can hurl cars weighing several tonnes one handed), Horrigan could literally unscrew an average marine’s head.
I can see him struggling against a Terminator, or a Sergeant/ Captain that have power weaponry, but a singular Space Marine would get decimated 9/10 times.
Anyone who says otherwise is picking and choosing the most ridiculous 40k lore to prop up that shitty universe.
@@thisaccountnameiscompletel8949 horrigan is the clear winner, hes closer to a obliterator in strength than a marine
@@goose5187 we ....dont talk about the time in the warp....it ...warp fuckery
@@sniperfuazo6495 Amen, but the warp fuckery is a good point for a csm maybe being stronger
Necron Gauss weapons aren't plasma. They are weird super magnets that attract tissue to the cannon of the gun at the molecular level, leaving people basically flayed, instead of weapons hyper heating matter and then shooting them at people.
The guys that made that 40K short film never touched a Necron Codex.
Also, they literally destroy atoms to my recollection
@@blacktemplar1139 They don't destroy. Instead of that they disconnect them one by one, turning the subject into the finest dust imposible. (literally so fine that it scatters in milliseconds)
As long as Frank Hoorigan don't fight a space marine without a helmet, he would be fine.
2:21 I WAS NOT EXPECTING TO BE JUMPSCARED BY MY OLD CRUMMY SFM ART BRUH
SLAPPED ME IN MY JAW WITH THAT MAN.
haha, nice work man!
@@badanalysis Wanna throw me a bone and link me in the description with a timestamp as a credit?
If I had known peeps would be using this image a lot I woulda watermarked it lol
Horrigan wins because he’s cooler than a space marine. They pretend they’re not evil, he knows he is, he just doesn’t care.
“BROTHER, FRANK HORRIGAN IS TRYING TO KILL US ALL, WHAT SHALL WE DO?”
“GET THE HEAVY FLAMERS AND DREADNOUGHTS
Basically... Frank is a few classes up from a space marine. Response is to class up with things a few classes up from a space marine.
A-la-dreadnaught. And flamers. Yep, that too. Either that or storm bolters from very, very, very far away.
Or, i dunno, guard regiment from 1 kilometer with tripod lasguns?
COMBINING BEAAAAAMS! (yes I know it's unreasonably improbable for that to work that way, but it's still a cool image, everybody loves a combining beams moment)
@@AenVegra Frank isn't really THAT strong honestly a good enough Scout Marine could probably take him. That'd be like comparing Frank to Tyberos "The Red Wake" who'd probably kill Frank as easily as he killed that deathclaw.
I just asked myself that question yesterday. Though I compared Frank to basically a power armoured Ogryn with a functioning brain.
Fun fact: ogryns are in parts of cannon
Stronger and taller then custodes. (Stronger notnmore powerful)
I’ve got an idea if you’re interested in doing Fallout again, maybe putting Courier 6 and all of his cybernetics and implants from the New Vegas clinic up against a spartan 3 or 4 might also be a good match up because Courier 6 has tons of different anti power armour weapons that could definitely drop a spartan and his GRX implant could probably let him keep up with one for as long as it’s active but the spartan would have the advantage of his power armour not slowing him down and being much faster and stronger.
Yea open to any suggestions 👍
Problem is, even the best weapons in the game like anti material and gauss rifles would barely dent cermite armor. The only weapons I see working would be a high explosives like mini nukes or the shear dps of something like a plasma caster. Maybe the thermic lance and industrial hand ignoring dr/dt would be affective on the joints like a chain sword but you’d have to be an idiot to get within melee range of an Astartes
@@Maxsmack I was talking about Spartans from halo vs courier 6 in this context not space marines
@@Son_Kar ahh my bad pimp
@@Maxsmackplasma weapons in halo are known to melt the armour that spartans have on without much problem, and none of the handheld plasma weapons can turn relatively weak opponents to ash or liquid like the ones in fallout can.
Agreed. A Space Marine in Power Armor would probably have a difficult time with Frank Horrigan. But in Terminator Armor, they;d be an equal match.
Unless they're a named space marine ofc.. they suffer from the main character syndrome
A Spacemarine is a LOT faster than Frank though.... like hilariously faster.
@@anirecapped.An average space marine is said to be between 35 and 45 mph which is faster but not hilariously fast. Frank horrigan has a special 10 in every stat, so we can assume he is at peak human speed at least. Hussain bolt runs at 27 mph, so Frank could logically be as fast.
@@anirecapped.There are some stating that they can move at 150mph, which tbf is absolutely hilariously fast. I assume this is more an outlier rather than the average.
@@josephbutler4950 I guess Ulysses is an even match for Frank then, eh? And firstborn space marines have been noted as moving around 53 mph (Not even their top speed) through "difficult terrain" and it is stated that primaris can move even faster than them easily. Frank could not hope to be anywhere as fast
As more of a Fallout fan than a Warhammer fan, this video is fun purely to see the comments going absolutely fucking nuts that you said Frank would win.
Yea sorry you had to see all that, Warhammer 40k fans are like the Dragon Ball fandom but for si-fi they tend to freak out if you say that something like a Spartan or Frank Horrigan can stand up to a Space Marine and win or that a faction like the Covenant could hold their own in the setting instead of immediately getting wiped out by the Imperium in the span of a year by the Imperial Guard alone.
Warhammer fans don't like it when you say something can beat another thing from Warhammer. Saw a comment where someone said that WH is the Texas of sci fi, everything is bigger but not necessarily better.
@@legaroojack1251 Hey on the other comment that I was talking with you on is basically broken on my end I can’t reply to you there at all.
@@legaroojack1251Man that is the most perfect analogy for warhammer I've ever seen
@@legaroojack1251 The funny thing is that Warhammer is pretty small and weak compared to almost every other galactic-level sci-fi universe out there, if for no other reason than 40K is a miniatures game and everything flows from that. It was pretty funny when Pancreasnowork released his '40K isn't that strong' video and a whole new generation of fans got introduced to the Xeelee-stomp.
Man Space Marines wish they could be Frank Horrigan because this guy is pretty much a walking apocalypse to anyone fighting him.
What a fun first video to make
An yet he was killed by a normal human
Yes… a high level RPG protagonist video game character who possibly has the best gear in the game (that’s also not adding in the fact that there are variables to consideration) and the best way to actually kill Frank is by damaging his armor.
Almost every Space Marine can survive being cut directly in half, and Frank was and still had enough energy to get up, walk over, talk some shit, before his armor literally decapitated him.
Is there any non-main character Space Marine that did that?
@@doctorcorvus1319 A space marine would be smart enough to target the non armoured parts of his body. Doubt he's as dangerous with his arms blown off.
@@49mozzer Space Marines have lost to normal humans multiple times, Caiphas Cain, named sisters of battle, Eisenhorn (although a psyker, he doesn't have superhuman speed, he literally stated in the books that human Karkisins have better martial skills than himself) Commissar Guant also survived duels with them
Also a recent mobile game ad showed a sister of battle contending a chaos marine in a 1v1
I won't use it to downplay Marines, they should and are superior to even the best of humanity, but I'm just saying your argument is hypocritical because the same has happened to space marines
@@phil3751 Yeah that's chaos marines, who are either tainted or completely insane, what about loyalist marines though?
Something I notice about literally every single one of these matches is the comment section is just “well it says here in the novelization ‘Mythander’s Ballsack’ that space marines actually shoot lasers out of their eyes when they really want to so they win” 40k is literally the epitome of “I win because I said so” type shit. The logic and physics of the setting are so looney tunes it’s like trying to pit a character against Popeye or Saitama, like dawg you are doomed to fail.
I love 40k, but holy fuck some fans can't accept that it doesn't just win every single time
The only kind of space marine that does that is a psycher and not all psychers are really able to do that either. 40k is intentionally designed to be a very chaotic setting. Yes some settings are just better than 40k, but for the most part 40k is like I said designed to be practically overpowered.
If your referring to Frank as the saitama vs an astartes, then im afraid you dont know what an astartes or, your grossly overestimating frank.
I may recommend to do research for yourself, and dont tell me you do enough because no person who does research will say that normal astartes will shoot lasers out of their eyes. Im not trying to rip on you, but make you aware of how much your ripping on a setting without knowing enough about it.
@@iamtoolazytoeditmyprofile plasma weapons pretty reliably kill terminators and frank has a full auto plasma rifle he has near instant fire superiority to a crazy extent. plays out fight starts both shoot each other the marine likely shooting first and probably second i doubt this would do much to frank he is at the very least as tough as a well armored ork the marine is forced to evade or die he gets hit hes dead, say he some how dodges full auto plasma he has to land multipule hits whilst frank needs one and the marine isnt good enough to do that they get hit all the time by heretic grunts orks you name it.
Warhammer has been around since the early 80's and has an extremely fleshed out lore with fuck knows how many books and such. Are we really surprised that people can look through them and find feats of them doing impressive things?
@@AceDan-gc9po A spacemarine's reaction time runs in single digit microseconds, good luck tagging him from a far and that too with something as slow as a plasma bolt. Meanwhile, give the Spacemarine a Volkite pistol and Frank is gone before he can put his finger on the trigger.
Frank horigan is truly the adam smasher of fallout
no. adam smasher is the frank horrigan of cyberpunk. :^)
@@DonkeyKong64InstructionBookletnot at all, Adam Smasher's character predates Frank Horrigan's by almost 10 years.
@@user-mu8dm4rk7g we're measuring by popularization, not invention. "Adam Smasher" as you're referring to him was basically a gag character equivalent in purpose to a tarrasque.
for a channel titled "bad analysis" that's some pretty good analysis
Not at all.
@@codyjackson1875 you're mad that he said frank would probably win, aren't you squidward
True in a 1v1 Frank probably wins but marines have upside of probably not being alone.
An if they are alone then it's probably someone like Captain Titus
DOES NOBODY REMEMBER FRANKS ELITE TROOPS HE TRAINED
Frank's elite troops have the disadvantage of not being Frank
@@bone_zoner lore wise they never leave his side
@@49mozzer still, full auto plasma gun.
Ok now my tism is satisfied. the problem with frank is that his power armor doesn't cover large areas of his body. Mainly his arms and collar/neck and the armpit/side and his mid to lower back areas are completly exposed. Frank is also used to just kinda tanking whatever and just not using any form of tactics so he does lack practical combat experience. A spacemarine has hundreds of years fighting experience and most of it being practical. Their bolter depending on ammo will just decimate him such as inferno, kraken, Vengeance, Stable Flux-Core, Implosion Rounds etc. then there's the power swords, axes etc and a 3 foot long blade from someone who isn't trained very well to use them is going to be easy to counter by someone who trains every day of their life to use melee and has been in constant war for hundreds of years
TLDR
I think Frank would lose because he lacks combat experience, reaction time and agility compared to the typical full battle brother. Plus franks armor is just steel, ceramic and "metal alloy" that doesn't cover much of is upper body
edit, I forget the other bolter rounds name but it breaks down your body quickly at the genetic level. Literally ripping your DNA apart
Those are rare specialty rounds intended for use against Tyranids, which the Astartes would not be expecting to fight when they invade the Poseidon oil rig.
@@wasdwazd Who knows? This is all hypothetical crap anyways.
@Wolfstanus hellfite rounds are round that eats and burns the target inside their own armour so ye my dosh be on a sm instead of frank who lacks full armour coverage
If you just give the Space Marine whatever he needs for the particular fight that defeats the entire purpose of comparing their standard kit.
@@theandice8152 again, he would lose based on a marines accuracy, reflexes and experience. A marine would just aim at the exposed parts of Harrigans body
While I totally think frankie would body a single marine, marines work well in squads like wolves so if this was a squad of marines it would def be the marines winning. eh its all semantics anyway great video man loved it!
bro....frank have a squad,just like the marines so.......;/
@durgle4350 it's also good to remember that the enclave use plasma weaponry which could give them a vital advantage over the Marines.
@durgle4350they have power armors
and nuclear weapon,etc
@@LikeZoinksGangWay Nothing suggests that fallout plasma weapons are anywhere near 40k plasma weapons. 40k plasma gun discharges are as hot as the core of the sun upon impact. Is it logical? No, but it is what it is. Marine Power Armor can sometimes withstand that, which is, to be honest brutally impressive.
I'd definitely say that the matchup depends on the Marine and Chapter/Legion in question. A raw recruit would likely get pasted by Horrigan if they hadn't fought anything similar before, but a veteran would absolutely have faced things as scary as Frank before. Ork Meganobz, Necron Skorpekh Destroyers, Tau Battlesuits, Militarum Ogryn/Bullgryns and Eldar Wraithknights are all comparable to Frank but tend to exceed his abilities in one or more fields, but still get killed by regular Marines with experience. Not to mention the various unnatural abilities and upgrades displayed by different chapters, like Psychic powers, archeotech, and augmetic usage, any of which would tip the scales more drastically. Even in the 40k books, enemies with Plasma and Melta weapons (closest 40k weapons to Fallout Plasma) aren't unstoppable despite their tremendous damage potential, as marines typically have decades to centuries of battle experience and know how to exploit their weaknesses. Now, if the marine in question was a lightly-kitted scout or crowd-control melee fighter, I'd 100% admit that they're screwed since Frank's own weapons are solid all-rounders, but he lacks the power to instantly kill a standard Marine unless he got the drop on them
I think you're confusing wraith knight with wraith lord. A wraith knight would squish Frank like an ant because in comparison Frank is the size of an ant.
Imperium has 1 mill worlds yet the average space marine vet has fought the strongest unit from every single faction? X to fucking doubt. All my lore knowledge comes from Luetin, so correct me if im wrong. Don't these guys spend most their time fighting rebellious humans who are rarely a threat?
Frank is definitely stronger than an Ogryn but go off I guess lol.
Frank is closer to being on par with a primarch than a space marine. And his weapon is superior to easily 95 percent of marines possible kit and that last 5 percent is a stretch for any space marine to have. I get you like wh but this isn't a contest. Horrigan might as well be a mini krork
@@casematecardinal HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Frank couldn't defeat a single marine in combat. A fully armoured space marine can run at nearly 60 mph or close to 100 kmh. A space marine's bones are made of fictional super metal, their armour
too. And the standard issue boltgun would rip through frank's skin and armour like a 1000 degree knife through butter.
As for your primarch statement. A thousand Frank's couldn't win against a single Primarch.
This. This is a really accurate matchup if im honest. No 40k OP bias this does both the Fallout Universe and 40k justice to their lore! You have earned a sub from me!
It’s not accurate at all lol. Super mutant enhancements and power armor, hell even a behemoth wouldn’t stand a chance against an astartes. Unnamed space marines have outperformed things much bigger than Frank in feats of sheer strength. A weapon wouldn’t even be needed.
@@codyjackson1875You’re joking right? An east coast super mutant Behemoth in Washington DC is around 20 to 30 feet tall and are made of nothing but pure FEV muscle, even Ogren are fiscally stronger than Astarties, I mean sure if they just shot it in the face with a Bolter then yea it would be a piece of cake but a melee engagement? Yeah no the gap in strength is just too much.
As for Frank you do realize that he’s not just some dumb mutant or ork right? He’s actually a highly trained and professional soldier that was hand crafted by the Enclave. He’s 12 feet tall, constantly being pumped full of strength boosting chems like psycho and buffout and is equipped with a burst fire plasma cannon in no way is this an easy fight for the Marine.
@@Son_Kar Despite being at their best, a behemoth and frank, even teaming up, would lose against a naked space marine in seconds in just CQC, solely because they aren't anywhere near the same level of training or ability. They get wiped in seconds or less.
@@mobiusone6994 If an unarmored Space Marine went up against Frank Horrigan that Marine would get his teeth kicked in by Frank he’s not just some dumb ork who’s only strategy in a fight is just to swing wildly until he hits the guy. Yea sure he isn’t as fast and his reaction time would be around that of a normal human but he’s definitely not slow, he’s still leagues above the best of humans in terms of speed due to his mutations and enhancements. Even underneath his armor Frank is very durable, if a standard super mutant like Marcus can tank 7.62 rounds without much issue then Frank would definitely tank a Space Marines punches, both don’t even feel all that much pain and they don’t even seem to care about massive trauma like broken bones, missing limbs or deep cuts.
Frank, even if you doubled his armor, gets his shit rocked by an unarmored space marine. He's leagues above humans yes, but leagues below the hyper-enhanced superhuman space-marines of 40k. He doesn't have the muscle, speed, smarts, expertise, or experience that any space marine does. All he'd have going for him is his smarts, since his armor is, frankly, subpar even for some tech-raider on the least civilized worlds of 40k.@@Son_Kar
12ft tall is over primarch size or even the emperor depending on what size he is psychically projecting I think. This would be more interesting with a known space marine or even a custodies. Maybe Tyberos the Red Wake , Asterion Moloch, Sevator or Kharne. Versus a Eversor assassin would be pretty cool imo also.
Well yes Frank is 12 ft tall size isn’t everything and it’s not a good way of judging someone’s strength and speed, keep in mind that Frank has shown himself to be roughly on par with a space marine (which is insanely impressive considering that’s he’s operating in a post apocalypse) but even normal space marines tend to get to get absolutely destroyed with very little effort by some of the people on your list, just look at the Custodies they tend to kill normal marines so fast to the point where the marines can barely even see them.
Also side note not all of the Primarch’s are around 9 feet tall most of them are just as tall as Frank and some are even taller than him, if you lined up all of the Primarch’s next to each other from shortest to tallest then Frank would end up somewhere in the middle.
@@Son_Kar yeah, against the common space marine, Frank wins for sure, now if we are talking about Russ, Horus, Magnus or even Guilliman, yeah, i don't think so
@@khadacoveiro1363 He would not win to a Raven Guard sniper, a blood angles death company with a jump pack, an Imperial fist with a heavy bolter, etc.
@@johnsupergeil7098 exactly, pick up the most normal no-name random space marine and yeah, Frank can kill him, but if we talk about the REAL space marines, mostly not
@@khadacoveiro1363 "well, if you pick one of these guys with PLOT ARMOR, then he might lose." frank lost to one tribal with plot armor. devs even admitted that it was only plot armor that beat frank. it has to be unnamed or there is no contest, perhaps match him up to a custodes or a thunder warrior?
Is that the stench of heresy I smell?
Of course facts are heresy in the Imperium 😂😂
@@debasishgoswami9896 Innocence proves nothing heretic
@@darkturtle9996 that's what your mother said to me when I was sleeping with her😂😂
Considering an Astartes can get beaten by regular ol' Boyz, Frank Horrigan should be able to kill one.
"Regular ol' Boyz" is REEAAAAALLLY downplaying the threat of Orks. These are the remnants of the nightmares the Old Ones cooked up to deal with the Necrons and C'tan. Dying to a boy is a common occurence for a reason.
Depend on the weapon load out.
you just dont know about astartes do you or what space marines can do, do some research bud like in depth research
@@GigaChad-ym7jyhe literally stated a fact. Regular space marines do and have been defeated by Ork Boyz. That's just true. They are extremely powerful but they aren't invincible. This is coming from a huge warhammer fan too.
@@josephbutler4950 space marines always are in squads of 10 split in 2, one space marine sure maybe frank wins but that will never happen as they are a squad of 10 so with this information, no matter how stupid you people defending frank may be, he is not winning against space marine
Frank is probably on par with an Ork warboss, however, a killteam of Astartes would be armed with bolters, plas pistols, chain or power swords, and have reflexes to match even the quickest of franks movements.
Not really that great of a comparison? Astartes are meant to be the best right.
@@l0sts0ul89 Thats mostly marketing. They are the "best" mass produced soldiers in the IoM. If you want the best you need to look at the Custodes and even better than them, the Primarchs.
Yeah id say he’s in the range of war bosses, deadnauts and castodes
@iansahleen1173 very true maybe a couple named marines aswell since books go hard sometimes haha
@@iansahleen1173 no way he’s on par with a custodes
im seeing quite a bit of misunderstanding about frank horrigan
1 no frank horrigan is not stupid, frank horrigan is insanely smart, the enclave scientists that made him have an intelligence stat of 9
he has a 10 in intelligence, putting him cannonicly above some of the greatest minds in the fallout universe
2 frank horrigan is absolutely not slow with an endurance of 10 and an agility of 10, would put him at an absurdly high reaction speed and running speed, with the size of his legs his stride would be masive and require fewer steps, he would aproximately be making steps of about 5 to 6 ft, that's almost 2 meters per, step
3 his power armor is custom fitted and grafted, and made to size, that doesn't just mean, it's regular power armor plating, actually it's plates aren't even standart issue, frank horrigan was fitted with the absolute BEST, the enclave had, that means he got top of the line, way thicker armor, way more powerfull armor, then your regular suit of power armor would ever be, even the best model of standart issue power armor can't hold a candle to frank horrigans suit, and normal power armor in fallout with what it can withstand is ABSURDLY durable.
and he can take shots, from top of the line plasma casters, rocket launchers, the biggest guns you can find, and gaus snipers, the strongest weapons in fallout 2, take many, many shots to take him down
4 a fallout plasma pistol, can in fallout lore, turn someone into goop, in one shot, these shots get stronger, the bigger, the more advanced the plasma weapon is.
if a plasma pistol, can do that, a plasma riffle, should be doing MUCH more damage due to it's capacity to put in more power, then we move up to a standart issue, plasma caster, this would be the point where you aren't just melting holes through tanks instantly, but fully dissintigrating them, and that is a standart issue plasma caster.
frank horrigan has a custom made, fitted to size, high end top of the line plasma caster, that means it is not only far above the normal standart issue plasma caster, but also bigger, more able to put in more energy into it's shots, and this man fires it, A LOT.
5 Frank horrigan isn't just, a super mutant in a suit, and not just underwent biological altering experiments, he recieved tech implants aswell that enhanced everything that was there immensely, and that was BEFORE, they put him in a power armor that enhanced him even more.
he's not just a behemoth, he is a behemoth the enclave pushed and pushed with experiment uppon experiment, i bet he could punch a regular behemoth to death in a single blow.
i hope i gave some usefull information ^^
Yeahhhhhh a terminator space marine is gonna get mulched
1. Frank horrigan IS stupid the Vs Battle wiki describes him as being below average in intelligence before exposure to FEV which further damaged his intellect a majority of the time those Fallout numbers are meaningless to describe actual strengths. Meanwhile Astartes possessed enhanced intelligence and have implanted knowledge combined with decades to centuries of fighting experience and can react to and process information in nanoseconds.
2. Frank's speed and reaction time is quick being around peak human but that's laughably slow compared to an Astartes subsonic and hypersonic reaction speeds. In Tales of Heresy pg. 304 a sprinting Astartes is described as "covering half a dozen meters with every pace." Can jump 4 meters standing still, and crossing 10 meters and vaults a table in the time it takes a human heart to beat also faster than the eye can track.
3.The absolute best in power armor from a pre interstellar civilization isn't really saying much and when it's made out of early to late Cold War era tech whereas 40k power armor is using fictional sci fi materials of IMMENSE quality compared to wasteland tech. I can very easily see krak missiles krak grenades, plasma guns, melta, lascannons, graviton, heavy bolters and heavy flamers bringing him down or any unique bolter round ammunition like kraken you name it. 40k weapons can easily compare to some of the strongest weapons in Fallout.
4. As some 40k commentators have pointed out Fallout plasma does not compare to 40k plasma which casually atomizes large humanoid targets like Astartes or atomize a certain 12 ft tall mutant and power armor ceramite is resistant to energy weapons like las fire. Annihilating a tank with such a weapon is really just a given.
5. Nothing you said would compare to the enhancements that an Astartes would receive gifted to him by the Emperor of Mankind and with some of the best surviving scientists from the Dark Age of tech outside of armor the Marine is stronger, faster, more durable, intelligent, and can fight for days without rest. Inside the armor the Marine's strength is multiplied tenfold. There really should be no comparison with a random hideous mutation born from a mistake versus perfect gene engineering crafted by a literal demi god of the human race and ancient scientists carrying secrets and findings from the peak of technological growth from a civilization that largely controlled the whole galaxy.
I'm just here to correct some misunderstandings about Space Marines that i'm seeing pretty often that's all.
@@AeonMonad4286 vs battle wiki? Ok then... also, don't give 40k so much credit...
@@kaeldavidson6898 Im really not if I knew an Astartes couldn't win here then I wouldn't have said anything the info I said is really not that special it should just be something people should know. People give way too much credit to Frank though thinking he's actually stronger just because he's bigger and taller but it's really the opposite. I honestly thought the fight was much closer before I researched more and came to my conclusion.
Is that so? Then Mama Murphy will fold Frank in half because she has 19 strength. Ulysses will will too since his stat is max and has higher health. Dont confuse gameplay with lore, in the game he's mentioned as being dumb and loyal.
"B-But muh space marines."
Tyberos would be a perfect match against Frank Horrigan honestly
Plasma and laser weapon technologies are seriously potent relative to Fallout's timeline of development relative to other sci-fi technology advancement. Frank's armor (And power armor to an extent), can withstand these forces incredibly well for long periods of time. Considering that plasma weapons can totally "goo-ify" organic matter, and laser weapons can immolate to ash, Fallout's armor technology is doubly impressive.
When you honor technology but improving it would is bad, so you're stuck with shitty industrial power suits for armor instead of actual armor.
@@peterl3417 Its still absoloutely based that rusty and obsolete human industrial machinery is still so brutally effective.
Plasma in 40k is like firing a miniature sun, lmao.
That's because.... The sun is made of plasma? Same with plasma weapons in fall out. It's the same superheated form of matter @@Cotac_Rastic
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 that and fallouts plasma weapons don't kill everyone and the user in a good few meter radius
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Yeah the comments section is a war zone
I think the space metals would tank the plasma weapons relatively well, ceramite is a ceramic like material and Tau pulse rifles tend to require massed fire to take down a Space Marine.
It’s a bit more complicated than that, Fallout’s standard plasma rifles are comparable to 40k plasma in that they are as hot as a sun and that they are capable of turning an entire man into goop and the Plasma Caster is a heavy weapons version of that and it’s considerably better then you’ve got Franks version of the Plasma Caster which has been scaled up to his size to the point where it’s basically a burst fire cannon.
Taus plasma weapons are weaker than Imperial ones.
Tau plasma weapons literally rip through Space Marine armour like butter. In the recent Sea of Souls novel it takes not even half a dozen pulse carbine shots to kill a _Terminator._ One of them is a lucky headshot and he's gone, instantly. The others just drill through his chest armour with no effort.
Ok, but hear me out. Blood angel, he just succummed to the black rage, and he has lightning claws
Frank Horrigan? More like HORUS!
now we just need frank vs. adam smasher
I second this
@@iansahleen1173 petition death battle for this
Yea on every death battle tier list I see for these two they always end up at the top of each others lists.
If frank lands a single hit its over. But the trouble is landing that hit. But given his kit its possible
God bless American God bless the enclave and no one else. Also good video. Keep up the great work and have a Merry Christmas.
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Some Fallout tech is frankly absurd, like handheld lasers that can disintegrate people's entire bodies.
It's weird because imo the top tier Fallout tech is the sort of stuff Golden Age of Technology humanity would be using, while the bottom tier are literally pipes taped together.
Eeh not really fallout laser weaponry is just bootleg volkite weapons
Gold Age tech is on another level, they used ontological guns as standard military weapons.
@@XD-sc4ix so which volkite weapon turns you into a puddle of goo?
@@libertylemonz7145 I was talking about laser weaponry not plasma but there's guns in the imperium that atomize you soo hard nothing it's left of you not even the atoms and others that literally shoot beams of antimatter or dark matter
@@XD-sc4ix how how many of those weapons can the imperium mass produce?
the imperial's best weapons are made by literal orangutans because the imperium doesn't know how it's own tech works lmao
sure maybe some magos or inquisitor somewhere has a gun that can shoot dark matter, but your average soldier in 40k is holding a glorified flashlight. in comparison the average, say, brotherhood of steel soldier is holding a portable nuclear reactor that can vaporize someone with one shot
I'd say Frank Horrigan wouldn't like to meet a Necron and its Gauss gun
i wouldn't say I'd like to meet one either, they don't seem very nice imo.
90% of these comments are like "Well, if you give the space marine every possible advantage + plot armor, they could totally win!"
40k fans, my god.
Yeah they tend to get absolutely insufferable at times, a guy even got into an argument with me in one of the comments on the video because I suggested that Fallout laser rifles tend to hit harder than Laz guns even though I gave almost all of the other advantages to the Laz gun.
@@Son_Kar They pride themselves on liking something super grim and super dark but shit themselves when they meet someone who doesn't wanna join in on their circle jerk. Maybe it's just one big elaborate cosplay of the Imperium, and if so they're pulling it off masterfully.
@@sundown6806 No I think it’s because they come into 40k after being told that it’s the most overpowered and darkest si-fi ever with super weapons and powerful magic user’s around every corner only to find out that 95 percent of that tech is gone and that 40k mainly has tech compatible to Halo and Fallout so they gaslight themselves into thinking 40k is a lot more powerful than it actually is to avoid looking like idiots.
@@Son_Kar True actually. The main theme of 40k is ruin and decay and how far the Imperium has fallen from grace, so to kit out a space marine with the best possible weaponry they could think of kinda defeats the whole purpose.
@@sundown6806That’s actually why I like both settings, if you stuck Fallout into 40k it wouldn’t feel out of place at all in fact it would probably fit right in, in almost every way.
two or three Space marines working together would wipe the floor with Horgan. but in a one on one match Horgan will always win
sure buddy
Depends on the marine. I doubt he'd be able to take a Grey Knight
@@49mozzer ma boy, a grey knight will just make horgans brain "poop" even before he can do something
@@49mozzera Grey Knight would shit on Frank so hard it’s not even funny.
Lmao nah.
Frank gives off that tyberos vibe
*_YOU CANNOT SEE TYBEROS THE RED WAKE_*
He's not as big though
@@Liam-lx8xb Which one Frank or Tyberos?
@@Son_Kar Tyberos. Horrigan utterly dwarfs him.
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Frank is the pinnacle of power in Fallout universe, but in w40k he is nothing more than an Ork in a Power Armour, which would be like a 3 in a scale of 1 to 10.
I'd call him a 2 to be fair lol
And orks kill space marines multiple times across the story 😂
No, he's honestly more of a Thunder Warrior.
He's a superhuman mutant beast which outclasses an Astartes physically, and was made in a wasteland of an Earth after a golden age.
@@nuclearmonster6601that’s too generous, I’d say a bastardized Thunder Warrior using parts from a grocery store’s meat barrel
@@nuclearmonster6601 = slow and stupid
Let's take this to the Death Battle guys, I really wanna see this scenario in action
Death battle 🤢 there calls for powerscaleing are horrendous only thing going for them are there animations
Sadly Death Battle would only put Frank up against a named space marine and not your run of the mill no named marine and besides if Frank ever got on to death battle he would probably end up fighting Adam Smasher from cyberpunk 2077 because that’s his most popular matchup.
@@Son_Kar I mean Frank is a named character so I do think he should fight a named Marine.
@@Son_Kar Putting frank up against an unnamed space marine would be like putting courier 6 against an unnamed guardsman. It wouldn't be fair by a longshot.
@@Swordsoulreaver True but named Space Marines like Dante, Sigusmend and Tyberos the Redwake all make the standard Marines look like children in comparison and Frank is roughly on par with the standard ones.
You forgot to also mention, frank is a member of US Secret Services
Tyberos looking at the comms of his dead brethren be like:
_ꜰɪɴᴀʟʟʏ, ᴀ ᴡᴏʀᴛʜʏ ᴏᴘᴘᴏɴᴇɴᴛ. ᴏᴜʀ ʙᴀᴛᴛʟᴇ ᴡɪʟʟ ʙᴇ ʟᴇɢᴇɴᴅᴀʀʏ._
I love this, but problem with these versus match ups is that they always take a regular line Astartes vs some super badass like Master Chief or Frank who are really the pinnacle of their respective universe. You gotta at least make it a Space Marine Captain with better gear like say an Iron Halo, Plasma pistol or a Power Sword. Space Marine Chapters let alone Legions are too diverse of a unit to really just pick their most baseline unit and pit them up against supreme badasses.
Sure a space marine would get wiped, but knowing astartes they’d line up around the block to give it a red hot crack
Sure they would get cracked but knowing fallout their area is gonna get nuked again
Okay, so browsing through the comments--to save people time--it seems that you have A) Space Marine win, because power-fantasy and 'superior experience' or B) Frank wins because he evens out any tech advantage and he's so damn big.
And even then you'll have the people who will reach as deep as they want in the 40k lore to pull something Marine-shaped to beat Frank, just because. Blah blah blah, it just keeps confirming something that I notice in these 'who would win fights'--40k is consistently the brute-force faction. It's, kinda shocking how that seems to be 40k's overall gimmick, brute force. Maybe it's from all the Khorne-poisoning...
40k is a setting where marines can go as low as 30 points, and armies are worth 1000 or more points. You need to wake up and understand that 40k just doesn't care about your plucky sense of rebellion. It is not designed to make rebelling seem fun or heroic, or make freedom fighters look capable, and cool. It isn't about people with names. It is a universe designed to fill you with dread, and represent different groups at their mythological and technological zenith and beyond. Then people get pissy when said fantasy setting doesn't play nice in power scaling competitions, as if that were its problem. 40k has been playing an _internal_ power scaling competition for almost 50 years now.
it really just depends about WHAT space marine are we talking about, there's only one Frank, but a space marine? we can go from a "normal" one to a fuckin primarch
@@khadacoveiro1363 A Primarch is NOT a Spacemarine!!
@@anirecapped. yeah, sure.
Oh! It's not brute force, it's bad writing, warhammer is just plain bad. Is it fun? Yeah, is it good? It's the most inconsistent lore in existence
The idea that one Space Marine is the equivalent of a whole army is just a meme. They are high ranking fodder.
I feel like the difference in speed is in marine’s favour
In terms of advantages for both it would probably look like this.
Frank Horrigan with standard equipment: Stronger, height advantage, reach advantage, better gun, chem injectors (most likely giving him psycho, buffout, med x and maybe turbo but unlikely).
Space Marine with standard Bolt gun, Chain-sword and plasma pistol: Faster, better melee weapon, better armour, more experienced, better reaction time, smarter (depending on the chapter).
Equally matched: intelligence, most space marines are intelligent professional soldiers but close to 35 percent of them are bloodthirsty savages or mentally unstable morons that like to charge head first into melee combat, Frank Horrigan is also mentally unstable and pretty dumb but he’s more of a psychopath than an idiot and he’s also a professional soldier that’s why he prefers to attack from range instead of charging into melee. Endurance: out of armor both are basically bulletproof and they don’t really feel any pain for the most part.
It easily is. Space marines are linked to their armor in such a way that it’s a second skin to them.
@@Son_KarFrank is nowhere near stronger. Read up on some 40K lore bud. Marines have outperformed much bigger/stronger things than Frank lmfao.
@@codyjackson1875 yeah I’ve seen plenty of videos on Space Marine feat’s and I also know that they tend to get killed by those same threats repeatedly especially when they do something stupid like running off on their own.
@@codyjackson1875that doesn't make them any faster. It just means the armor isn't actively slowing them down. Horrigans armor is bolted to horrigan.
I love your thumbnail. It's too good!
Now do Frank Horrigan vs Tyberos the Red Wake
Not exactly the best matchup because Tyberos is actually the perfect counter to Frank
Nice video! btw Im the artist that made that Frank Horrigan render in the thumbnail, long live the enclave muties.
Thank you! Great work Helped a lot!
Hey man, fun first video! Really fun. Just balance your voice versus media audio, I hd trouble hearing you sometimes.
My issue with Horrigan has always been his exposed biceps. Bolter's with their timed detonations are very affective against large unarmed flesh, waiting to detonate until deep inside their target for maximum damage. A space marine would target this weak point instantly, likely taking out both of his arms before the fight even started. It's just the OP nature of advanced sci-fi tech not the capabilities of the individual. Also a space marines reflexes are superhuman while Frank's are average or slightly above. His special stats are also not cannon as he's said to be pretty stupid but still has 10 INT, this has been stated repeatedly by the devs. Also Frank isn't a skilled fighter, much like Homelander he's made it so far relying on his unrivaled strength and endurance never needing to learn skill or finesse.
I wouldn't say Frank was untrained. He was a Marine before he became the monster we know. It's the reason "Semper Fi" was the last thing he said.
@@Mirthful_MidoriNot just a Marine, a member of the President’s secret Service.
Honestly I don’t think that Frank’s arms being un armoured would make that much of a difference because both Frank’s and the Space Marines armour aren’t going to offer much protection against each other’s weapons with the Marines Bolter being easily able to pierce Frank’s armour after maybe 1 shot and Frank’s burst fire Plasma cannon also wouldn’t have that much difficulty in melting through the Marines armour.
@@Son_KarCeramite is specifically heat resistant, I think the space marine wins out when it comes to armor.
@@Mirthful_Midoritrue, but how much experience can you get being in power armor going up against wastlelanders. He was basically a prison guard who got exposed to FEV
Much like Vietnam vs Afghanistan, you don’t get hardened fighters from the occasional pot shot and peace keeping with civilians. Jungle fighting will bread jungle fighters, but frank wasn’t it.
Horrigan would do okay in 40K. Not great, he's a bit slow and weak in melee by their standards, but he'd do fine. There's space marines that could kill him, and ones he could kill; which is actually a damn impressive statement by 40K terms. I still love the moment in the Rogue Trader game where you meet a chaos marine for the first time, and if you're not incredibly careful your entire team of elite soldiers/psykers can wipe almost immediately. I had to reduce the difficulty to beat that part in the beta.
I’d say he’s a bit slow for 40k but he’s not that slow in comparison, your average Marine can run at what? Around 60 mph Frank can move at around 24, 30 or maybe even 40 mph so he’s not that slow and in melee he would be a beast.
As a Warhammer 40k fan who is... Eh, moderately-highly versed in the lore. Id say that the fight would be nearly impossible for frank, and quite difficult for the space marine. if it was a basic space marine with the typical bolter and chainsword it could go either way(like those fight animations where neither team loses or wins). but switch that bolter to a plasma gun, or the chainsword to a power sword, or heck give the space marine a name. Frank is losing 100%.
Classic 40k response of "give a space marine the ultra rare superweapons that only go to the top .01% and they win" give a pesant from modern england a button connected to a nuke and the peasant wins dude the stamdard gear isnt a plasma gun
I feel like Frank is someone you'd run into during the Age of Strife, maybe an attempt to reverse engineer the Emperor's Thunder Warriors by Merica. I'd love to see a Frank Horrigan v Thunder Warrior matchup!
Frank is basically a Thunder Warrior in almost every way except he’s a bit bigger than a Primarch in fact Frank could mistaken as the Mutant Primarch of the Thunder Warriors
1v1 is probably in horrigans favor
with two space marines than space marines would win i imagine, also depends on the arsenal of the said space marine.
I think we shouldnt be ignoring the Mutie in the room. Frank Horrigan has exposed flesh. A space marine even if they are batshit insane, have some decent surgical acumen with their attacks. I would say the faster and more shootier the Spess Mareen, the better chance they have against Frank. If you shoot off his arms with those .75 Cal Gyrojet with Delayed Explosive payloads known as Boltshells, you could conceivably rip it off and disassemble Frankyboy bit by bit. Id say a Salamander would probably bite it, same for a more Melee focused UltraSmurf, a Imperial Fist, Black Templar, and a Space Wolf. A Whitescar could do the job, Ravenguard too especially if they can wraithslip.
Space Marines are also known to have basically Twitch Reflexes and by basically hipfiring they can at least in lore, sweep out lesser foes in a blink of an eye with pinpoint accuracy. They are described as being too fast for their size, and in equal measure much too strong. I would imagine Frank would have a hard time pinning them down, but if he can get a bead on them, they might be in trouble
Really depends on what you measure the speeds are. Frank horrigan has 10 on all stats, and space marines are definitely fast goes for Astartes. yeaa the exposed arms really fuck up frank horrigan here but i still find it that one Astartes can lose, their speed is incredible but on actual dura if theyre taking the hit a tank round from modern times dead center will take the Astartes out. I know there's apparently captains thats a whole different story than an unnamed space marine. if there's three space marines they'll win with teamwork
I would Frank as the Space Marine may be fast but that Frank just needs a Stomp.
Also for as strong as space marines are, they die alot to things they should be able to handle (Necrons make sense)
Good luck stomping someone who can dodge plasma bolts from point blank range.
The lasgun is remarkably similar to the Fallout Laser rifle.
Albeit, the lasgun can be set for [depending on model of course.] More penetration, something the Fallout laser lacks. This is not to decry either weapon for being weak. If the fallout laser rifle is properly maintained and kept in good supply, it should be able to operate against Infantry who are more properly armored than your average Raider. And fits in neatly against anyone not in heavy infantry equipment [NOT fallout power armor. Grenadier infantry and the ilk.] The fallout laser rifle would fit in neatly in some Planetary Defense Garrisons, specifically those having to deal with local unrest, though might struggle against Flak. Something most lasguns tend to do if they aren't going for a higher charge.
I'd rate the Power armor in fallout to be human equivalent, if maybe a bit earlier. Though the size of Frank plays a part in it.
I'd probably rate the Fallout anti material rifle to be, a bit more substandard than the T'au equivalent.
Frank's probably tossing around a lot of, well. Probably not technologically equivalent plasma, which admittedly is going to be 'less good' than put up against an example from someone who wasn't nuked back to the stone age. But it's still plasma.
Bolt explosives aren't going to do it, it's pretty clear just by looking at Frank that he's, probably at least as tough as an ogryn [We of course know he's tougher than that.] So slapping him with bolts isn't going to do it, but I could see an application of a krak grenade, the equivalent of an anti tank grenade [Of course there's bigger versions Like Melta- which the space marine will probably switch to pretty fast if able.]
With Franks in-game stats. I do think he's faster in lore then what he's represented by. But I also think he's one of the smartest combatants in the game from his stats as well. At the very least very educated by human standards.
The power sword I could see penetrating Frank real well though, but I also feel like an ogryn in power armor slapping a space marine results in the space marine Dying. And Frank's a lot better than that.
Just thought I'd throw this out there, last time Fallouts energy weapons were taken into account and properly calculated via in game lore and feats, they were said to Burn at around 25,000 to 50,000 Celsius. Which makes sense.
@@preachymink9468 I honestly really don't have a head for science, but I do know that melting someone by hitting them once with the funny lasergun happens in both series, and from my limited understanding of science, instantly combusting someone isn't a 'little' amount of energy.
@@nonya1366 I can't think of a single instance of a lasgun vaporizing someone with a single shot. Maybe a lazcannon but not a lazgun.
@@casematecardinal Ah, But are you familiar with Kharn the betrayer being killed by a Brick?
RPG Mechanic comparison, from fallout to the variations of Lasgun. Most of what your shooting at with a laser is lightly armored targets, your raiders, rad scorpions, big ants, and yes the supermutants who didn't strap metal to themselves.
As, technically a lasgun can wound a titan if you roll enough Sixes in a similiar vein. Or by a T'au hitting them in tabletop with the butt end of their rifle. We'll set aside the wargaming aspect and focus on the RPG aspects- as fallout is.
Critical mechanics do play a factor into things, it also depends on what your shooting at, if your referring to the fallout laser doing it, we also have to compare it to the other Game example:
Darktide, you can instantly set a person on fire by tapping their foot with the least powered recon las in existence [infernius perk on the rifle nat] , without mentioning house Esher, who can acquire Hotshot variants [Aka the variant that can probably mostly penetrate a brotherhood of steel paladin suit, same as it can mostly penetrate a space marine's ceramite.]
But the main thing is, the fallout laser isn't well known for Penetrating.
If you upcharge the lasgun, you can penetrate Flak pretty well. And, depending on the variation of lasgun, you also can kill unarmored [Or 'lightly armored' fallout raiders] in one clean shot, not to mention what happens in both universes when the mystical 'circumstances' and 'chance' play into a factor, as you are *still* hitting them with an energy based weapon in both settings.
The upper bounds of which include superheating the target's brain and causing it to detonate. Or vaporizing their arm off.
I'd suggest you'd look into the Fantasy flight RPGs for the critical mechanics there, though full body vaporization isn't there, the lasgun - Nor laser gatling [Perhaps more comparable to a multilas in choice of equipment. Except a man ported multi las could kill a space marine, a Laser gatling in fallout is more meant to deal with targets who aren't in equivalent power armor.]
would be playing a factor. But instantly cooking a person with a lasgun is in the cards. Or again, vaporizing an arm. With the arm's occupant dying of shock after.
@nonya1366 I can't really speak to the tabletop but just based on the properties of the two weapons. I get the impression that lazguns being able to penetrate things is not so much a boon as it is an artifact of a less powerful laser focused into an extremely small beam to make up for its lack of power. The laser weapons in fallout, by contrast, have a much more potent power source as well as a far larger emitter, meaning when they hit something, the energy is imparted instantaneously on the surface which degrades armor extremely quickly and causes massive heat shock to the area.
I think a more fair 1v1 would be frank vs a Thunder warrior.
Theyre like prototype astartes, much stronger but they had space cancer so big E put em down.
Yo what this is an amazing first video
Thanks man!
If the space marine has anything better then a bolt rifle i dont see frank winning and he auto loses if its a sergeant with a powerweapon
Forget that, a marine with vengeance rounds would have a fair chance of besting Frank, albeit with a level of difficulty.
Bro, he fucking fought a team of elite soldiers is top tier power armour, 7 turrets and the chosen one all at once and it was a close fight, he would crumple a space marine, I love both franchises, trust me when I say the Astartes don’t come out on top
@themrlupo3591 ceramite is eons better then fallout power armor 🤡
@@michaelcygan2995 nice that you included a picture of yourself
@themrlupo3591 it's proof you don't know what your talking about, nothing in the fallout verse comes close to the firepower in 40k. A basic guardsmen lasgun is better then any weapon in fallout. Any verse still using normal ballistic weapons stands no chance
Well, there is one of him and thousands of astartes
I see people mad that he said Frank wins, but look, that is just 1average space marine of the Ultramarine variant. against an experienced Gray Knight or even just 2 Space marines, Franks chances go down dramatically. Don't even have to get started on a Custodes or any named character who would demolish Frank
Accurate channel name
i mean, a bolter isn't a assult rifle, is basicaly a full auto rocket luncher
no. no it is not. it is a .75 caliber gun, but still shoots kinetic rounds.
@@jacobschneider3975 it shoot micro rocket maybe not a rocket launcher but still
I feel like frank fight would be like how emperor vs Horus how one dies and the other is fatally wounded
Biggest points of contention for me; Space Marine's aim is bot-like, it's like aim hacks, they do actually just, *ping, ping, ping,* vastly more effectively than any wasteland survivalist is going to be able to shoot.
Now, in a low-intel situation, I do give Frank an edge, you are correct, Plasma weapons are pretty high tier in Warhammer (though as others have pointed out, its Necron Gauss weapons that really one-shot Space Marines, and they are a completely different type of weapon frankly). Whether or not a Space Marine is going to recognize his weapon as a plasma weapon is a bit of a toss up based on the differences between settings, but given that Space Marines live for hundreds of years and are all high grade tactical minds, I lean towards the Marine recognizing the weapon as a potential serious threat and bounding around, keeping good cover between him and Frank. Assuming more standard equipment, it's a slow, dangerous battle that I'd give the Space Marine a 6/10 chance of winning, but if its a more "special" Space Marine, with better equipment? I doubt Frank's chances, something like Volkite or Melta weapons are gonna ruin his day in a flash, and any Power Weapon is going to shear through him with 0 resistance.
Power weapons can comfortably be assumed to cut through any modern or even more advanced materials without energy shielding or special properties, simply pushing molecules apart with ease.
Volkite doesn't care how hard your armor is really, and Melta's create a chain reaction that will turn Frank's armor (which is part of him) to slag.
This is a pretty good video man, I enjoyed it!
Now imagine the chosen one against a marine, guy is literally a god😂
"You've gotten a lot farther than you should have, but then you haven't met Frank Horrigan either. Your ride's over, Space Marine. Time to die."
"Space Mutie"
honestly thought u had way more videos. ur production quality is so good. love the editing, love the vid. PLEASE make more stuff. subbed bro
5:49 "Unless you think the chosen one was using..."
Interestingly, the battle between the Chosen One and Frank Horrigan is one of the rare examples where a canon feat can't be used for power-scaling, because Chris Avellone has stated that there's actually no way in-universe for the Chosen One to have won that battle, and his victory is nothing but plot armour. So, for all intents-and-purposes, his feats should be calc'd as if the Chosen One *lost*.
8ft tall virgin space marines 🤓
vs
14ft Chad Frank Horrigan.🗿
i think it'd be the opposite the marine in favor of a ranged engagement and horrigan in favor of CQB, because the marines targeting system in his helmet would be far better than anything horrigan got.
I agree with the comparison though he might beat a normal astartes still it won't be an easy task, BUT there are exceptional space marines, like the rights of Tyberos, Asterion Moloc, Logan Grimner, Dante, etc they can defeat Frank imo and for some could be easy
....... because they are named....... frank lost to a tribal runt with a pinch of plot armor. obviously he'd lose to a space marine with plot armor.
Tyberos, "The Red Wake", Reaper Lord of the Void has entered the Chat
Dude brought up 40k and thus all the spergs flocked to the comment section.
I swear I’ve heard that song used during that Frank analysis, I just can’t remember its name for the life of me
Adeptus Custodes: "Amateurs."
Tyberos the red wake
Horrigan would be nothing but a puddle despite them being the same size
Horrigan is literally bigger than any of the Primarchs. He could just hold Tyberos at arm's length like a toddler.
It's a named warhammer character, you could bullcrap anything that way. He said space marine anyway, not tuberculosis the red whale
@@joshwenn989 I think mortarion is bigger, but that's it
Dam, imagine if fallout was more of a grand grim dark, huge warfare scenario like 40k, hordes of BOS fighting hordes of Enclave
It is actually a very grim and dark setting with some pretty destructive wars that happened in universe it’s just that it lacks a large population for all of that destructive weaponry to make use of and find all of the most powerful weaponry that’s still lying around.
that's uh... not really the point of the setting
@ILieToEveryone1337 its not but thats why i said "imagine".
*in the grim dark future, war never changes*
I think a group of brotherhood of steel defiantly fighting off a.mega horde of ghouls could be a cool set piece. Maybe a think tank gone wrong cloning experiment unleashes the Mega hordes on a settlement and the brother has to help them?.